I sailed a Pacific Cat for 25 years with my family and had a great time. Have sailed mono hulls for 40 years even while I still had a cat and I find for me a mono hull is the only way to go. In the last 25 years builders have made mono hulls lighter, brighter, roomy, and better to sail. Hence I vote mono, but that’s for me. Cheers Chris, all I want to do is go sailing the hell with the rest of the BS!! Enough said!
Spot on Chris! Too many watch RUclips catamaran channels and don’t really understand the differences. Thanks for educating them. Today’s mono’s are the much better value and do not sacrifice comfort at all. And, you have the option of heeling should you want it. You can get an awesome brand new monohull in the 35’-40’ range, as you keep saying, for under $300k, or a great slightly used one for half that. Try finding a used cat for under $300k. The refit cost will be over 100k, then dockage is at least 1.5 or 2x the cost of a mono. Cats can be great vessels, but are way overpriced. Also, I know sailors who have the same mono’s for decades. Most cats are bought and sold within 5 years. Why? Partly maintenance and repair costs. I’m sure you will be covering these realities, and more, in future episodes. Keep up the honest, good work!
I know for my family of 4, the difference comes down to time at anchor. They watched mono hulls pitch and roll all over the place while our cat barely seemed to move. This is a point that also has to be considered and like you say the best boat for you is the one that works best for your situation.
Love the mono hulls , cats are good but like a motorhome on the water , often hard to find somewhere to haul out (more than likely always to wide for the lifts) and twice the expense at service times
@ABC gang Yes but It seems like insurance companies generally put more limitations on catamarans as far as how far north or south they may go etc. Do they generally charge more for catamarans compared to monohulls at the same value?
OMG, I selfishly feel like I was the cause behind today’s video, this was great and really elaborated on your reply to my question about heeling on a mono hull, thx. It certainly gave me a lot of food for thought. I watched this video several times.
I love hearing about this type of analysis. At first I thought cats were the way to go, but after your in depth explanations I see the benefits to the mono haul option. Thanx a bunch
Now Chris you learn a lot about your boat on the hard. Hey there are no leaks and that engine is so quiet that you can sleep thru it all. Also no rolling or pitching when trying to sleep. So why would you ever want to leave the hard. hahaha😛🤙
I grew up on the water, I learned on a monohull and I primarily single hand. CATs have a place in polite society, but for me, I can tell how a mono is sailing way better from inside the cabin than I can on a CAT. When sailing by feel, I only get that feeling from a monohull
I would love to have a cat, but... I honestly don't have the money for it. So its mono-hauls for me. Everything from the boat itself to slip fees are increased dramatically. That being said one thing nice about a cat, especially these days, is the with all that deck space you can put an ass load of solar panels on it. Nice for living off the grid. Their is a reason after all that "solar boats" (boats that only have electric motors and no sails)" tend to be cats. Who knows maybe I can get one of those nice, wide mono-hauls in 20 years when they come down to reasonable price on the used sailboat market :)
Hello, I was wondering if you could explain why a large disparity between the LWL and LOA would lead to increased heeling? I’m a novice here, but I thought it’d only depend on a wider beam and a deeper draft, no? Thanks for all your hard work in educating us with your wonderfully informative videos!
Hey mark, it's one aspect, the vessel with the larger discrepancy needs to heel in order to increase the length at the water line in order to reach cruising speed
@ABC gang thanks gang. It seems to be so. Looking to head north into Indonesia and onto Cambodia in the next couple of months. First though the remote croc riddled Kimberley.
Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room. Now please address the other one......do you want to live in a dungeon or be able to enjoy the sights around the boat from inside the boat.
Not familiar with newer mono hulls ? I despise classic mono hulls but the newer ones, especially hybrid deck salons and true deck salons are phenomenal, is take one over a cat everyday
@@ChasingLatitudes thank you! but also the deck space. On a lot of (35-45ft) mono’s try to find a nice spot for two person to sunbathe, difficult. If planning to be at anchor more than sailing; i think a cat just gives you more living space and less rolling motion while at anchor.
@@ChasingLatitudes thanks again, will do! I guess for the price of a 15 year old cat (what we will eventually be looking for) you can buy a much newer 40 ft. Great channel and service you provide! Much appreciated
If I may ask another question, I’m not 21 anymore and prefer not to be constantly in the sun, the other reason I leaned towards cats was being able to stay in the shade for the most part while sailing, is it possible to accomplish this on a more modern sailboat? It would keep my dermatologist happy. Thx!
Bahaha I was going to go on a rant about differences between the two.. glad I waited till the end. I'll see what you say first ^^ (I'm on an anti cat, pro old, well founded boat.. rant streak 🤣 because a well found old boat is cheaper then a brand new awesome one lol)
Running costs different? How much typical over 5 years? How about learning to sail on 1 vs the other…. I’ve “heard “ sailing a cat is not a good way to learn…. But I’m an arm chair sailor - minus childhood sunfish and RYA comp crew… buying a live aboard in about a year to finish off my career as a 100% remote worker… then Boom! Come on sailboat market!!! Everyone BUY A CAT!!!! You know you want one!!!!
Of course you had to show photos of the Jeanneau 440! Soul crushing! Can afford one new and even if I could there is a long waitlist of at least a year. "You're Killin' me Smalls!" And as it relates to this discussion... You will pay more than twice as much for a cat with similar room. It is a fact. If you are rolling in dough and can afford that God bless you. I am happy for you. Us mere mortals will be true sailors on our mono hulls and just as comfortable at less than half the cost. Yes I said "true sailor". Cruising Cats are sail by numbers. You don't get the same feel and connection to the wind and water that you do on a mono hull. And if you haven't sailed a mono hull and a cat is your dream that is fine. But you just don't know. Sorry kids. It is what it is.
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I sailed a Pacific Cat for 25 years with my family and had a great time. Have sailed mono hulls for 40 years even while I still had a cat and I find for me a mono hull is the only way to go. In the last 25 years builders have made mono hulls lighter, brighter, roomy, and better to sail. Hence I vote mono, but that’s for me. Cheers Chris, all I want to do is go sailing the hell with the rest of the BS!! Enough said!
Spot on Chris! Too many watch RUclips catamaran channels and don’t really understand the differences. Thanks for educating them. Today’s mono’s are the much better value and do not sacrifice comfort at all. And, you have the option of heeling should you want it. You can get an awesome brand new monohull in the 35’-40’ range, as you keep saying, for under $300k, or a great slightly used one for half that. Try finding a used cat for under $300k. The refit cost will be over 100k, then dockage is at least 1.5 or 2x the cost of a mono. Cats can be great vessels, but are way overpriced. Also, I know sailors who have the same mono’s for decades. Most cats are bought and sold within 5 years. Why? Partly maintenance and repair costs. I’m sure you will be covering these realities, and more, in future episodes. Keep up the honest, good work!
I know for my family of 4, the difference comes down to time at anchor. They watched mono hulls pitch and roll all over the place while our cat barely seemed to move. This is a point that also has to be considered and like you say the best boat for you is the one that works best for your situation.
Love the mono hulls , cats are good but like a motorhome on the water , often hard to find somewhere to haul out (more than likely always to wide for the lifts) and twice the expense at service times
I am also curious about the differences in insurance costs and insurance limitations?
@ABC gang Yes but It seems like insurance companies generally put more limitations on catamarans as far as how far north or south they may go etc. Do they generally charge more for catamarans compared to monohulls at the same value?
OMG, I selfishly feel like I was the cause behind today’s video, this was great and really elaborated on your reply to my question about heeling on a mono hull, thx. It certainly gave me a lot of food for thought. I watched this video several times.
I love hearing about this type of analysis. At first I thought cats were the way to go, but after your in depth explanations I see the benefits to the mono haul option. Thanx a bunch
Now Chris you learn a lot about your boat on the hard. Hey there are no leaks and that engine is so quiet that you can sleep thru it all. Also no rolling or pitching when trying to sleep. So why would you ever want to leave the hard. hahaha😛🤙
Oh! Its on!
I grew up on the water, I learned on a monohull and I primarily single hand. CATs have a place in polite society, but for me, I can tell how a mono is sailing way better from inside the cabin than I can on a CAT. When sailing by feel, I only get that feeling from a monohull
I will leave a good comment to help. Keep up the great cntent.
very interesting. Looking forward for the space episode. Ideally, monohulls should make a saloon like catamarans, like moody monohulls
I would love to have a cat, but... I honestly don't have the money for it. So its mono-hauls for me. Everything from the boat itself to slip fees are increased dramatically. That being said one thing nice about a cat, especially these days, is the with all that deck space you can put an ass load of solar panels on it. Nice for living off the grid. Their is a reason after all that "solar boats" (boats that only have electric motors and no sails)" tend to be cats.
Who knows maybe I can get one of those nice, wide mono-hauls in 20 years when they come down to reasonable price on the used sailboat market :)
Thanks for the overview!
While you're doin expose' about expensive boats- could you give us your take on the Amel super Maru and is succcessers?
You're the best. Thanks
Good vid
Thanks
Hello, I was wondering if you could explain why a large disparity between the LWL and LOA would lead to increased heeling? I’m a novice here, but I thought it’d only depend on a wider beam and a deeper draft, no? Thanks for all your hard work in educating us with your wonderfully informative videos!
Hey mark, it's one aspect, the vessel with the larger discrepancy needs to heel in order to increase the length at the water line in order to reach cruising speed
Our catamaran heels. A little bit. 🙂
@ABC gang thanks gang. It seems to be so. Looking to head north into Indonesia and onto Cambodia in the next couple of months. First though the remote croc riddled Kimberley.
@@TheCruisingKiwis What kind of boat do you have?
@@johngarbarzyk5549 43 foot Fountaine Pajot Belize catamaran.
Thank you this cleared up everything……I am now sure I must smoke a pipe to be a great captain lol! Love your vids Chris!
Mini series me up man!!! lol
Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room. Now please address the other one......do you want to live in a dungeon or be able to enjoy the sights around the boat from inside the boat.
This is exactly my point why i would prefer a cat!!!
Not familiar with newer mono hulls ? I despise classic mono hulls but the newer ones, especially hybrid deck salons and true deck salons are phenomenal, is take one over a cat everyday
@@ChasingLatitudes thank you! but also the deck space. On a lot of (35-45ft) mono’s try to find a nice spot for two person to sunbathe, difficult.
If planning to be at anchor more than sailing; i think a cat just gives you more living space and less rolling motion while at anchor.
@@robink.1360 I would go take a look at some newer 40 foot mono hulls, they have a great amount of space
@@ChasingLatitudes thanks again, will do! I guess for the price of a 15 year old cat (what we will eventually be looking for) you can buy a much newer 40 ft. Great channel and service you provide! Much appreciated
If I may ask another question, I’m not 21 anymore and prefer not to be constantly in the sun, the other reason I leaned towards cats was being able to stay in the shade for the most part while sailing, is it possible to accomplish this on a more modern sailboat? It would keep my dermatologist happy. Thx!
Yes sir, what you want is a Bimini top or hard top dodger , just like a catamaran adds a roof to the cock pit
@@ChasingLatitudes nice 👍 Thx!
Thinking about adding foils to an Island Packet.
its to heavy, save yourself the trouble, ditch the island packet at the bottom of the ocean where it belongs
They're in the gate.
Bahaha I was going to go on a rant about differences between the two.. glad I waited till the end. I'll see what you say first ^^ (I'm on an anti cat, pro old, well founded boat.. rant streak 🤣 because a well found old boat is cheaper then a brand new awesome one lol)
Running costs different? How much typical over 5 years? How about learning to sail on 1 vs the other…. I’ve “heard “ sailing a cat is not a good way to learn…. But I’m an arm chair sailor - minus childhood sunfish and RYA comp crew… buying a live aboard in about a year to finish off my career as a 100% remote worker… then Boom! Come on sailboat market!!! Everyone BUY A CAT!!!! You know you want one!!!!
Of course you had to show photos of the Jeanneau 440! Soul crushing! Can afford one new and even if I could there is a long waitlist of at least a year. "You're Killin' me Smalls!" And as it relates to this discussion... You will pay more than twice as much for a cat with similar room. It is a fact. If you are rolling in dough and can afford that God bless you. I am happy for you. Us mere mortals will be true sailors on our mono hulls and just as comfortable at less than half the cost. Yes I said "true sailor". Cruising Cats are sail by numbers. You don't get the same feel and connection to the wind and water that you do on a mono hull. And if you haven't sailed a mono hull and a cat is your dream that is fine. But you just don't know. Sorry kids. It is what it is.
so if we don't heel the boat, can you still get the same speeds that you would if you did? Also don't you get more rolling around at anchor too?
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