50% HP IN 1 SECOND!? War Machine might be broken.
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Today we're testing an interesting theory in Marvel vs Capcom 2 - why does War Machine assist do SO MUCH DAMAGE? Why was Iron Man able to do 50% in 1 second, without even starting his infinite? Is Tron Bonne no longer the most broken assist in the game? Let's do some testing and find out what makes these MvC2 combos work!
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I low key love that Iron-Man and War Machine have mad synergy. Canon team bonuses are always fun to have
War Machine's repulsor hits 5 times using this setup which gives the 50%. That was nuts
6 hits zawg
It’s amazing how people are still finding things out about this game 22 years later.
not new
It’s why the competitive scene for this game is still alive!
Yeah, I went 22 years thinking tron bonne assist was unscaled damage
old tech.. new eyes viewing it
Bess vs
*casually does the infinite twice*
"I don't have the execution"
The magic of video editing
Don’t let him fool you
@@jmcrofts I'm just messing around man, love you. Also, no amount of video editting can make me pull an infinite kill off lmao
The infinite isn’t super hard on someone like cable esp with iron man. Shit gets harder on things like sentinel also the set ups for the infinite are truly the hard parts.
it feels like what really happened is certain multi-hitting moves (iron man/war machine repulsor, tron assist, ken and akuma air tatsus) were considered by capcom to be moves that COULD hit multiple times but usually wouldn't, so they gave them damage values with the idea that they were only going to hit once usually. This obviously didn't play out ... lol
See also: Ken and Akuma's air combo Tatsu.
Nah, more hits on an assist is a big nerf to it's damage potential. It scales against itself and any follow-ups. They may have slightly overestimated its effect but all multi hit assists should do more then single hit assists, by at least 50%. Then consider increased setup difficulty for multi hits and yeah they should do a lot more.
@@jakelink1482 some extra damage sure, but it's also fine for multihit moves to still be great for hit confirms with the trade-off of hurting your damage scaling, that's literally what makes the magneto vs doom beam assist conversation interesting in umvc3. Magneto's is less durable and harder to convert from, but the single hit means the scaling is awesome on it.
Nice breakdown, bro. IT Does make sense to compensate like multilple hits will miss, but when they don't it's like a "critical hit"
I also used to think that a full lifebar in MvC2 is 143, but actually a full lifebar is 144.
If you want to test that, go into arcade mode and repeatedly do any attack that does 1 point of damage and you will see it takes 144 to kill a character.
I think the life bar might be 143 but a character dies when it is hit while having 0 health, that would explain why that, on training, it tops at 143 damage
No. It’s actually 144 life points. The reason why it says 0 after 143 damage is because it’s the game’s practice mode preventing you from knocking out the character. Otherwise you get something like the practice mode in MvC1 where you KO a character & have to start practice mode all over again.
at a buffet, i personally sneak corndogs into the buffet so others can enjoy them. I hide 6 corndogs in my jacket pockets. it then, is a joy for me to see other patrons of the establishment eat my corndogs thinking they were part of the bufffff
You don't put anything in the corn dogs right....?
What
Are these corndogs preheated or do you bring them in as corndogsicles?
Can you bring sauerkraut and course ground mustard as well?
...
Hold up, wtf does this have to do with MvC2?
@@nullno3722 I can possible tape those condiments to the hard exterior exoskeleton of the corndog! And not sure yet!
Don't forget that in the video, the combo was done on Magneto, who takes more damage than Cable. This is why Magneto lost so much life in only a short amount of time.
People: "Tron Bonne assist doesn't scale!"
JMCrofts: "...and I took that personally."
This kind of things remind me of Tekken Tag Tournament 2, they've been out for years and there's probably tons of setups we still haven't discovered.
War Machine overpowered call that Don Cheaple
CHEATle
Don CHEATle 🤣🤣
I still think they should've killed him in Civil War
This is the first video I've seen in awhile that gives an audible rhythm for the Iron Man infinite. I'm getting back on that grind
Go thru the lights steady and tap the last high punch a touuuuch late
@@benjiroberts4434 Thanks, but I hear JM double-tapping light punch and timing out light kick and heavy punch. That's part of why it's so hard to learn lmao.
It's a sound I will never forget. An echo of the last days of the arcades
Well then you need to see this one. ruclips.net/video/Fx55YfmPejY/видео.html
Its kinda interesting that though they seem to look identical it appears that Iron man and war machines respuslor blast assists have slightly different hit boxes, or is it the that they appear at slightly different postions when called. You would think they would be completely identical.
Not sure about the hit boxes but war machine assist comes out faster than iron man
@@ilikeyoraincoatbihsdv7186 hit box is about the same its the active frames that are different war machines isnt out for as long either
One is the Lp version (WM) and the other is the HP version (IM)
Why would they be identical?
They have their own moves too. They play similarly, but are noticeably different.
They're just different characters. Lots of overlapping tools, but the movement, frame data, and properties of basically every move varies between the two
Repulsor Blast is definitely the hardest hitting assist, Tron and glitched juggernaut punch are more well known because they are easy to hit in neutral. (On average, WM assist will do less than tron as you showed).
As for the unscaled thing, I think it is because the assist is based on her crouching strong rings which are supposed to do 15 damage total. However, instead they do the 15 on each hit. Intentional or not, it does a crazy amount of damage.
yea i think you're right, when she does that move as a point character it does 5 damage per hit (15 total), seems like someone accidentally made the assist do 15 per hit instead
@@jmcrofts all assists that are medium normals (there's only a few) do the damage of that characters fierce attack. It's an exploit / oversight, probably because it only hits twice without a setup.
Just noticed Psylocke's giggling animation,. Man, 20 years and this game just gives and gives.
Hey you need to try the 50% chip damage by Spiral (ground type), Silver Samurai (projectile) and Serbot (balance), do triple team hyper combo at close range, with Spiral on point. This is the team with the highest chip damage in the game. Then you can do any DHC and Serbot is the safest of the 3. I do this for fun!
Scaling starts after the first 4 hits. Usually since people do stuff like c.lk x 2 + tron at least 2 of those 3 hits from the assist will land unscaled. I agree with your theory.
If you're looking for a set up to land a lot of Ironman assist hits. Launch with magneto sj. Hk ad df j. lk j.mk land s.hk 1 hit+im asssist xx hypergrav lk x 2 then otg followup to rom infinite.
Ur the man ty i enjoy watching this after a Long day at work
Loved this video. Keep the retro game content coming, please!
I always play Iron man and War Machine together and War Machine I always choose projectile type due to DOUBLE PROTON CANNON. I LOVE seeing the missiles blast the oppon they wind up in a launched state due to said missiles hitting them.
Great forensic investigation, love this content
Well all hits scale accordingly after the 3rd hit in a combo. The damage scaling goes as 100% for the first 3 hits and then 1 point less for the next two, then 1 point less off the scaled damage for the next two, so on and so forth. That's why so many supers do shit damage by the last hit. Unless the last hit is unscaled to a certain amount. Anyways, the original damage for each ring is 5 for a total of 15 damage I believe. And the creator fucked up and accidentally put 15 damage for each ring. So you get 45 damage total. Super's damage worth.
My understanding of the Tron damage commentary is that the glitch was in the porting of her crouching strong punch into the assist. When you do crouching strong punch on point it does 5 damage with each ring leading to 15 damage total. For the assist it's 15 damage on each ring leading to 45 damage total. I think that's the origin of the statement that Tron rings are glitched.
Anyone else find it interesting that the "Repulsor Blast" actually draws in the opponent? That's still hilarious to me.
My theory with Tron assist is that they made each hit do heavy attack damage, instead of medium (Tron's assist is normally her c.MP). Since most normal-move assists are heavy attacks, this may have just been an oversight when programming her assist damage.
As for Iron Man, I've managed to get 5 hits of the assist on fat characters (like Amingo) for a total of 60 damage. Not sure if I'll ever see 5 hits of that assist land in a match though lol.
Repulsor Blast hittin' kinda DIFFERENT
crouching light kick into heavy kick seems to set up super easily for the full hits... then you can infinite off of it pretty well.
That's stupid good! Love MvC2
Pretty sure Thrillah used that infinite a few times before on his channel. Dammit I want this game to come back so badly.
This was well known in our local arcade, so much so that everyone was ready to counterplay it.
I play mags/sent/WM. War machine actually has a lot of undiscovered potential. For example he has very easy air to ground combos that go into the infinite that iron man can’t do; Iron man does have his own a2g variants but they’re much more technical. It’s also very easy for war machine to get all the hits from his assist with magneto (cross up trijump guarantees all hits and a rom infinite follow up) War machine can also do the sentinel HSF dhc trick off of war destroyer, whereas iron man proton cannon can dhc into HSF, but it doesn’t negate the damage scaling like WM, storm, Doom etc DHCs do. War destroyer is also a better dhc from magneto’s tempest than proton cannon is. War machine is HYPE.
I would like to see this ez air2ground with warmachine that you speak of
Romneto did a 2011 video on the most damaging assists in the game covering this (IM/WM repulsor blast are same hits & damage):
ruclips.net/video/z_F22gtrHYA/видео.html
There may be older videos. Either way I'm sure ppl found this tech out since the early years of MvC2.
That being said, it's really cool to see newer gen players learning these things for themselves. It's like going back in time & reliving what the older gen players went through. It also shows there's a lot more new blood interested in this old game and that's really exciting.
Its the point blank of the repulsor. If you get hit by the tips, even if 4x, its not the hands.
Also its that Fierce from Iron man
yo doing stuff i used to experriment with in 2002.... love it.
Only a minute into the video, never played this game before but just from that one clip my guess is they layered their attack in a way that made it so instead of being pushed out of the assist's hitboxes as intended, you're gravitated into it causing the assist to hit you way more times than intended dealing massive damage. If I got that right I'm buying myself a cookie
You're probably right actually
Really love that ML you know that Max Level!
I'm guessing multi hit command don't scale once the the whole animation is finished but only attack that are in between like normals scales differently at the same time. Then when you do the command again in a combo, it will scale differently on how high the combo counter is.
The special moves dont scale after the first hit of sad special...meaning whatever the scaling is when the first hit lands thats what the rest do, they wont scale further. this is why kens hurricane kick does so much without landing multiple hits first. this also applies to assist moves. you can recreate this with any special in the game (i am pretty sure anyway lol) as i tested this back when kens hurricane kick was all the rage using sabretooths birdie assist and seeing the damage of each bullet not scale after whatever the first value was on the first bullet.
If the assist connects on hit 3, do all three hits remain unscaled (because it was the 3rd 'move' to connect), even though the multi-hit assist takes the combo counter above 3?
For the MvC community; Is MvC2 still not fully explored?! Im always seeing new stuff from this amazing classic and I just can’t get enough of these flashy combos! So many characters and their tiers. Too enjoyable to watch and learn🔥🙏🏻
There’s most likely is. I’d even say some teams have probably not been used in top level play. There could be a crazy combo with Roll, Dan, and Captain America but top players won’t use them
there is a combo reset in the air with war machine i won 2 tournys with back in 2000. its 100% health you just need to stall inbetween fierce and dash to jab in the air. i loved this game back in the arcades
Wow! Guess om getting fightcade this weekend.
What about Ken's kick assist 🤔 with Tron's assist isnt the damage casused by the 4th ring that comes out late? I use to do this meaty Cyclops ground combo with Tron
Love to see general thrillah get some recognition here
Shout outs to the players in the clip: general_thrillah[IM/WM/Cable] and servbot[MSP] and again thrillah for winning the whole damn tourney at Texas showdown BAG BAG BAG
B.A.G BOYZZZ STAND UP!!
My god you guys are so good. Makes me not wanna upload my vidoes sheessh lol. Great video tho im gonna try thats because I use War machine and Ironman..
22 damn years... i'm not sure i'm more impressed by the game or by the people playing for this new finding
Maybe if she starts as the third hit it doesn't scale. Like it's a set amount for the whole assist based on when it's used. For example on hit four it would start at 11 damage. Maybe it would be 11 three times. So it scales the total damage of the moved not by individual hit.
If you watch closely in training you can see that this is not the case
What about triping/sweeping with tron? Dont have the game or play it anymore, but i know when i was hard into it that was how you got the real damage out of the tron asst.
you can also do it with bonerine crouching light kick into crouching roundhouse into the war machine assist
and magneto can do it easily with crouching light kick into standing heavy kick launcher into war machine assist
jmcrofts does not blink when he infinites. Pure concentration.
All I can see is the cable (winter soldier) arm is mirrored when switching from right to left !
1:03 it's Mavel vs Capcom 2 baby
Can u plz do a complete walk through fo mvc2 on fightcade with settings to use to make it run good? I use windows bootcamp
what's the key to landing standing hp into proton cannon after the IM infinite?
Jmcrofts would be a good math teacher lowkey
magneto was stuck in the middle of the repulsor blast and ate all the beans that is supposed to be shooting at all directions, must be the wide hit box, and the scale might not have kicked in from only the launcher. the launcher is only TWO hits after all.
It's in Thrillah's Ironman tutorial. Link to his channel: ruclips.net/user/generalTHRILLAH
Thank you sir!
50% in one second? What? Impossib... oh. Oh no.
I'm curious with Ken's aerial tatsumaki. It seems to make more damage when you do it after air combo
Works very similar to tron assist. It scales but each hit does a lot of damage, and for whatever reason air Tatsu does way more damage than ground, correct. They basically gave it the damage of a hard knockdown but didn't give it knockdown properties.
combine the fact that Stark was hitting Lensher in the original vid. Seems pretty legit.
Yeah, so the specific call about tron bonne assist is that it can be used to reset combo damage, I don't believe you actually combo it its some weird situation where the combo can reset before they are actually free to block but I was unable to confirm this claim either. So at this point I agree with you and you should update the Wiki for her so it stops suggesting otherwise.
I think the answer is all the assist count as 1 hit meaning that the full 5 hits of War Machine counts as 1 wich kinda explain why the damage is so high even after the 2 ironman hits
This might not be the right place to ask, but how do you have training mode? I have MVC2 on fightcade, but the closest thing to a training mode available is fighting a cpu
You have to use the Dreamcast version, it's also in fightcade
@@jmcrofts Thank you so much
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Best Marvel vs Capcom game period. Glad I still have it on my Playstation 3.
I was always told that the Tron assist doesn't add to a counter for Undizzy or something like that, never actually heard the no scaling part... I just always assumed they did a lot of damage because they were never SUPPOSED to hit multiple times so they made each hit do a nice chunk of damage which... Sounds like MVC2 tbh... Thing was never supposed to happen therefore it happens anyways.
i think tron bons assist story is it does damage on block in a wierd unintended way, as in it chips in a way that other assists don't do, in other words blocking it doesn't negate as much damage in comparison to other assists, no expert, could be wrong.
Can you do the same using War Machine with an Iron Man assist? 🤔
no, mr. stark. i don't wanna learn how to do an infinite anymore.
because now, war machine rox.
My guys face we he is focusing lol
Try doing tron's ring attack as the point character. I don't think it does 45 damage
Why not try it against magneto? Maybe it had an extra hit and does he have light armor?
Is that possible to use Capcom characters to do infinite combo?
I dunno if its what they meant, but maybe they mean T. Bonne assist scales like a single hit rather than multiple hits?
Hey man you play in fightcade??
I wonder if they changed something in the setting.
How about Silver Samurai with FIRE BUFF for extra damage as an assist?
Totally a wives tail with tron Bonne assist. I've had to correct a lot of people on this one and it usually requires training mode for them to believe me.
Servbots assist does so much damage that it overflows and only does 1.
That's normal that's because his proposal blast hits 6 times but it's very rare that it hits like that it's angle-based
Will this effect the ratio format?
this isn't new
The Last blade 1 & 2 pls
At this rate I hope you end up doing a video finding at least something interesting about every character in the game
Puts Captain Commando's assist to shame lol
Hey JM. You gave me motivation to pick Iron Man and War Machine with this video. Since it’s been a while and due to all the controversy surrounding it though, I was wondering if you’d ever go back to DBFZ? Not just because of the content but also because as a subscriber, I’d be really interested in your take on Android 21 Lab Coat. I doubt I’m the only one too. If you don’t, that’s cool too. These videos are fun to watch but even one video on DBFZ with how it is now would be interesting IMO.
Can someone explain what damage scaling is
Kool we like more
The Last Blade 1 & 2 plss
did we clearly not notice that Magneto was the character taking the damage???
I assume it's because he was hitting him with norms as the assist was hitting
Shaka booooom more marvel vs capcom 2 content
you get a very similar result with magneto + iron man assist
I have no clue but it could be because of lore canon connection ( team comp synergy ) Also, iron man just that strong y'all 🙂
One thing is that one marvel second is like 3 real life seconds
That's a lot of DAMAGE!!! 😂
sonic:CHILLI DOGs
Wait this is new?! Huh, the more you know.
A wives tale haha I like that
Might've been an uncombo that would reset the scaling
i feel BETRAYED coming to this after your tron bonne video. the misinformation is RAMPANT!!!!
Loved this game, but I never took the time to learn how to do anything remotely close to this. It's fascinating to watch what can be done with these classics. I got a PS2 copy collecting dust... maybe I can risk the arthritis to learn something new, lol.