Exactly, like we can all agree she needed to be held accountable for all the terrible things she did but it should have been a fair punishment and this walk did not feel fair
I shouldn't like Cersei but i love her she's so iconic. Plus when i read the books i was blown away, she's insane in Feast For Crows but those chapters were the best ngl
Another great video! While you were talking about this choice of punishment that the faith makes and choosing something that is designed to belittle women and make them feel tiny, made me think I’d love a gender discussion about ASOIAF and GOT. I couldn’t help but think about Dani when she goes on the pyre and her dragons are born, they chose to leave her hair long in the show rather than it being burnt off. But with Cersei’s walk here, it seemed absolutely important to the show runners that she feel shamed by having her hair cut off. I’m rambling a bit, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on the implications of gender and power in this story, and how a characters moral alignment changes the way we view them in relation to their gender. Really hope that makes some semblance of sense! Love your channel!!❤
Thank you for this comment, you’ve given me a lot of food for thought because you raise a really good point about their hair. I’m gonna mull over my thoughts and report back because I find analysing how women are portrayed and how they’re are treated in this story just fascinating, especially comparing book to show!
I saw the series and I definitely love your in depth dives about different stuff, i think I should definitely read the books. Keep up the great content.
I saw her head being shaved described as “shaving a lions man” and it was so poignant for me, especially considering that her hair is such a source of pride for her and the sense of defeat and humiliation in those scenes. this was such a deeply fucked up punishment, as bad as Cersei is, it was so horrifying to see.
Besides being a humiliation calculated for a woman, it's also designed for a noble, the supposed head of society. If Westeros society is like Medieval Europe, the nobility put tremendous emphasis on their extravagant clothes (which only they could wear, according to sumptuary laws) and riding above the crowd on horseback. Stripping away their clothes and making them walk barefoot in the streets would strip away their core identity.
Loving the more long form content! AFFC isnt the most loved book of the series, but i personally love it just for the deep dive into Cercei's psyche (shes batshit lol). Just throwing ideas for other vids to the wall here, but id love a deep dive on Euro (or the greyjoys in general) and how you think they'll affect things to come. Euron is still the most changed character on the show, still dont get how they turn him into the clown that was on GOT
It was then that the High Septon knew, they royally fucked up. Also yes, while we may hate Cersei for things she does, when she is wronged, she doesn't stay still she takes action. And it's gonna take more than faith to keep her from destroying Westeros.
Great video. When I saw the title, I was expecting the video to be a "The Life Of Cersei Lannister" video, but this was interesting as well. I wouldn't mind you doing "The Life Of ..." videos for certain characters like you did with Visenya Targaryen where you talked about her birth till her death in the books. If I may suggest a "The Life Of Daenerys Targaryen" video would be nice, since the last season of GOT kind of ruined her character arc. So for Daenerys it would be from birth till her most recent point in the book, which is her and Drogon being somewhere in the Dothraki Sea, if I remember correctly. Cersei did deserve a punishment for all the bad things she had done, but I did feel bad for her in that moment when she had to do a walk of atonement. What they could have done is strip her of her rank, titles and family name, and make her a septa or a silent sister
Making her a silent sister would have been a much more appropriate punishment, she’d have been forced to be of service somehow. Instead this walk has only made Cersei more determined, she’s gonna dig her heels in big time now and hell hath no fury like a lion scorned
@gameofthroneshistorian Definitely. And how I thought of septa or silent sister is like, when the men in the ASOIAF universe do bad stuff, they can choose between death, a trial by combat, a trial by seven or taking the black. But since the Night's Watch is only for men, I got to thinking like "What's the female version of the Night's Watch?" and then I came to silent sister because they also have to do vow of chastity. But then I thought, they could be a little bit nice by making her a septa, so she can still talk to her son Tommen
I wish I could feel sorry for her, but I'm pretty sure she got what she deserved. Plus I am pretty sure the high septon did this to her because of what her father did to his father's mistress after he died.
I think in many ways, that as karmic retribution goes, the walk of atonement definitely fits Cersei. For most of the story she has been misogynistic to other women, cruel and abusive to the starving populace, and thinks she can use the faith to further her own goals while being sinful and hypocritical and was always able to hide behind her wealth, beauty, and family name but all that comes crashing down when she put a man who doesn't care about any of that into power. Now, she's forced to face the people she's harmed through the War of the Five Kings and her extravagant living through a highly misogynistic punishment to make her feel small and broken by the same Faith she tried to control for her own gain.
I have to say, in this chapter I get more angry at the High Septon than feel empathy for Cersei. I agree with you about this punishment and how wrong it is on so many levels, but I have so much trouble with her as a character. Her thought process is so self absorbed and what she helped do to the Blue Bard is unforgivable. Also, she's been giving Qyburn victims. It's terrifying, what she's done.
everything about this punishment is so deeply disgusting and misogynistic. i cant think of a single female character in ASOAIF that id wish this one, not even Cersei. im a huge Alicent Hightower hater (both book and show versions) and id still not want this for her. i came here from tiktok and i love your content so much
Thank you for coming over, it means so much!! And I’m so with you, even the people I can’t stand, I’d still never wish this on them! It’s a very on brand for this type of society, as misogynistic as it is!
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I don’t exactly like Cersei’s personality and most her actions but no women deserve to do the walk of atonement, absolutely a disgusting punishment.
Exactly, like we can all agree she needed to be held accountable for all the terrible things she did but it should have been a fair punishment and this walk did not feel fair
I shouldn't like Cersei but i love her she's so iconic. Plus when i read the books i was blown away, she's insane in Feast For Crows but those chapters were the best ngl
Also big agree with how women are treated worst, Cersei had a lot of flaws but i felt so bad for her, the walk through kings landing was sickening tbh
Sometimes the craziest character makes for the best chapters 😂😂
It’s really up there with the worst of the worst in terms of punishments, they really twisted the knife
@ just irks me as a man would never have been put through that, and there a lot of men in this story who are way worse than Cersei lol
As time as gone by I’ve grown to give more respect to Cersei especially withstanding her walk of atonement.
Another great video! While you were talking about this choice of punishment that the faith makes and choosing something that is designed to belittle women and make them feel tiny, made me think I’d love a gender discussion about ASOIAF and GOT. I couldn’t help but think about Dani when she goes on the pyre and her dragons are born, they chose to leave her hair long in the show rather than it being burnt off. But with Cersei’s walk here, it seemed absolutely important to the show runners that she feel shamed by having her hair cut off. I’m rambling a bit, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on the implications of gender and power in this story, and how a characters moral alignment changes the way we view them in relation to their gender. Really hope that makes some semblance of sense! Love your channel!!❤
Thank you for this comment, you’ve given me a lot of food for thought because you raise a really good point about their hair. I’m gonna mull over my thoughts and report back because I find analysing how women are portrayed and how they’re are treated in this story just fascinating, especially comparing book to show!
I saw the series and I definitely love your in depth dives about different stuff, i think I should definitely read the books. Keep up the great content.
I saw her head being shaved described as “shaving a lions man” and it was so poignant for me, especially considering that her hair is such a source of pride for her and the sense of defeat and humiliation in those scenes. this was such a deeply fucked up punishment, as bad as Cersei is, it was so horrifying to see.
Omg this!! It never occurred to me before but it’s brilliant! Her mane!!
this is the channel I always come up to when I want info about asoiaf, keep up the amazing work
Thank you so much for this comment, I really appreciate it!!
Besides being a humiliation calculated for a woman, it's also designed for a noble, the supposed head of society. If Westeros society is like Medieval Europe, the nobility put tremendous emphasis on their extravagant clothes (which only they could wear, according to sumptuary laws) and riding above the crowd on horseback. Stripping away their clothes and making them walk barefoot in the streets would strip away their core identity.
This is such an interesting perspective! It definitely adds even more layers to the whole experience
Excited to see some longer form content from you, always find myself agree with your takes on the world of ice and fire
Thank you so so much!!
Loving the more long form content! AFFC isnt the most loved book of the series, but i personally love it just for the deep dive into Cercei's psyche (shes batshit lol).
Just throwing ideas for other vids to the wall here, but id love a deep dive on Euro (or the greyjoys in general) and how you think they'll affect things to come. Euron is still the most changed character on the show, still dont get how they turn him into the clown that was on GOT
Thank you so much!! I do have a video coming where I touch on Euron and his dragon horn but he’s also on my list of characters to do a deep dive on!
It was then that the High Septon knew, they royally fucked up.
Also yes, while we may hate Cersei for things she does, when she is wronged, she doesn't stay still she takes action. And it's gonna take more than faith to keep her from destroying Westeros.
I bet they’re all rueing the day they crossed her because Cersei won’t take this laying down, they’ve poked the lion!
Great video. When I saw the title, I was expecting the video to be a "The Life Of Cersei Lannister" video, but this was interesting as well. I wouldn't mind you doing "The Life Of ..." videos for certain characters like you did with Visenya Targaryen where you talked about her birth till her death in the books. If I may suggest a "The Life Of Daenerys Targaryen" video would be nice, since the last season of GOT kind of ruined her character arc. So for Daenerys it would be from birth till her most recent point in the book, which is her and Drogon being somewhere in the Dothraki Sea, if I remember correctly. Cersei did deserve a punishment for all the bad things she had done, but I did feel bad for her in that moment when she had to do a walk of atonement. What they could have done is strip her of her rank, titles and family name, and make her a septa or a silent sister
Leave this with me because i love to talk about dany so im more than excited to do a “the life of” and I’ll run through all the ups and downs!
Making her a silent sister would have been a much more appropriate punishment, she’d have been forced to be of service somehow. Instead this walk has only made Cersei more determined, she’s gonna dig her heels in big time now and hell hath no fury like a lion scorned
@gameofthroneshistorian Thanks and I look forward to it
@gameofthroneshistorian Definitely. And how I thought of septa or silent sister is like, when the men in the ASOIAF universe do bad stuff, they can choose between death, a trial by combat, a trial by seven or taking the black. But since the Night's Watch is only for men, I got to thinking like "What's the female version of the Night's Watch?" and then I came to silent sister because they also have to do vow of chastity. But then I thought, they could be a little bit nice by making her a septa, so she can still talk to her son Tommen
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I wish I could feel sorry for her, but I'm pretty sure she got what she deserved. Plus I am pretty sure the high septon did this to her because of what her father did to his father's mistress after he died.
Cersei will always be one of my favorite and one of the best characters in all of ASOIAF
She’s despicable but utterly fascinating at the same time, I’m always intrigued by what she’ll do next 👀
I think in many ways, that as karmic retribution goes, the walk of atonement definitely fits Cersei. For most of the story she has been misogynistic to other women, cruel and abusive to the starving populace, and thinks she can use the faith to further her own goals while being sinful and hypocritical and was always able to hide behind her wealth, beauty, and family name but all that comes crashing down when she put a man who doesn't care about any of that into power. Now, she's forced to face the people she's harmed through the War of the Five Kings and her extravagant living through a highly misogynistic punishment to make her feel small and broken by the same Faith she tried to control for her own gain.
I have to say, in this chapter I get more angry at the High Septon than feel empathy for Cersei. I agree with you about this punishment and how wrong it is on so many levels, but I have so much trouble with her as a character. Her thought process is so self absorbed and what she helped do to the Blue Bard is unforgivable. Also, she's been giving Qyburn victims. It's terrifying, what she's done.
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everything about this punishment is so deeply disgusting and misogynistic. i cant think of a single female character in ASOAIF that id wish this one, not even Cersei. im a huge Alicent Hightower hater (both book and show versions) and id still not want this for her. i came here from tiktok and i love your content so much
Thank you for coming over, it means so much!! And I’m so with you, even the people I can’t stand, I’d still never wish this on them! It’s a very on brand for this type of society, as misogynistic as it is!