Is the GH7 kit lens worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- A review and discussion on the lens we all take for granted, the Leica 12-60 f2.8-4.
We are talking about it’s strengths, weaknesses, and why I think most people should get and keep this lens for their GH5.
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Bought G9 with P/L 12-60.
Very impressed with this lens. build quality of glass & surround. If budget allows then may invest in the others in this set. Good video 👍
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Just dropped by to convince myself to buy this, as I imagine most of us do. Thank you! Exactly what I needed! Cheers again from Sydney
It’s a fine lens! Not amazing but when you need that quality and range in one package you can’t do much better.
@@RhettThompsonFilm Thanks Rhett. I just want something that I can take when I want to carry one camera, or don’t know which lens to use. I never know what I’ll need so I end up taking nothing 🤷♂️😩
@@andrewp1513 l can’t think of a better all in one lens than this one for almost any system.
I truly hesitated between a second hand Olympus 12-40mm II and the Panasonic 12-60mm F2-4. They were both going for 399$ in my local store which is a bargain…I ended up with the Panasonic more 4 reasons : the reach provided better bokeh at 60mm F4 than 40mm F2.8, the stabilizer is extremely useful in video on a Panasonic body, and the lens appears to be parafocal and focuses almost like a macro lens. While a miss the extra stop of light, I am happy with the reach and bokeh and the stabilization. A perfect lens would have been a 10-50mm F2 or 12-60mm F2…😅
I absolutely love the Oly 12-40, but I think I'd be happy with the Leica, too. That parfocal behavior is a very nice feature. Waiting for your comparison.
I also own the Oly12-40mm and I notice if you zoom in fully then set focus, it will be practically parfocal. Try it🙂
@@AmazingKitchen Thanks, man. I will.
Totally came into focus when I pressed LIKE. Impressed :)
It has more or less been glued on my GH5S.
I think it shines on the GH5s even more than the GH5
Underrated lens on a underrated channel
Means a lot man! Im doing my best out here!
I wonder if you set your background light to something more contrasty, maybe the AF won't wonder off...? Dope lens. This focal range is super versatile for solo shooters and way more useful than 12-35 (24-70 IMO). I'm using the Canon 24-105 version 2 w/ my GH5s. I think your suggestion to set the lens to f4 for zooming is a good one
Awesome review on this underrated lens. Thanks for sharing. The oly 12-40mm when set focus zoomed in also behaves like parfocal. Hope you can give your insight on this matter.
I think from what Ive seen the 12-40 isnt as parfocal as this. The 12mm end and the 40mm end are perfect but as you zoom somewhere in the middle there are a few issues. Same with the Lumix 12-35 and Olympus 40-150. The extreme ends are the same but there's some certain amount of shifting. Id love to try the Oly out sometime!
@@RhettThompsonFilm Agreed. The Olympus 12-40 has quite a bit shifting in its focal plane as you zoom. I use it on the BMPCC 4k. Love the constant 2.8 aperture and manual focus clutch but wish it had OIS and being more parfocal.
@@RhettThompsonFilm i own the olympus i notice no focus shifting in my copy
love this lens with GH5II. still learning to uncerstand this.
It’s a good camera and a good lens!
Hi Rhett, great video, very well presented! I bought the Pana Leica 12-60 together with my G9 at hardly any extra charge; however I hardly use it because I also own the OLY 12-100mm, and I love it sooo much. Maybe I am making a huge mistake??? I am mainly a stills photographer, videos are not a priority for me; I very much look forward to your 1:1 comparison between these two lenses. BR ERwin.
I think they both present super great value and are both really good. The extra range of the 12-100 is suuuuuper useful though.
Am very tempted to get an Olympus 12-100 as a do-everything zoom, and pair it with the Olympus f1.2 primes for low light.
Great video, Rhett!
Hmm, as a corporate event guy, this parfocal behaviour might be ideal. Thanks for the video. Nicely done. It might get me reconsidering my 35-100 v the 50-200
That’s what I did, for a while anyway. I’ve heard the 35-100 v2 is better but can’t say for sure. I did find sometimes the 50mm was too telephoto for some venues.
@@RhettThompsonFilm I’d be carrying another body with a 25 or 12. I keep a 100-300 in case I’m stuck at the back of an auditorium...but the 200 end would give me a nicer image than my cheaper telephoto perhaps. And I’d always have it in the bag. I’m in danger of leaving the 1-300 home..
@@RhettThompsonFilm the deals for the gh5, 12-60 are terrible here in Australia. 2nd hand looks ok, and luckily the gh5 is a tank more or less. Or wait till the GH6 comes out and the gh5 drops. GH6 MUST be close!
Hi Rhet, pls your reaction on the following. My present combo is gh5, fw 2.7 and the 14-140mm. I am thinking of buying the leica or the lumix 12-60.
2.8-4.0 vs 3.5-56 is not as much of an issue too me. More important is AF hunting/pulsing and stabilisation, AF/zooming.
My gripes with the 14-140 are sticky zoomring, AF/zooming. 10x zoom is nice to have, but I rarely use it.
I realy like the IQ, at 14 mm the AF near to far is lightning fast.
So, I am looking for an solid upgrade in AF and stabilisation.
Pls, your thoughts, thank you, Frans/Bali 😀👍
I think the 2.8-4 leica lens family and olympus f4 epitomizes the biggest mistake of the m43 system, lack of system wide dual stabilization support and Panasonic's dfd auto focus algorithm requiring information from (or about?) the lens. Matching body and lens manufacturing is just generally so much more attractive. It is also an issue for the L mount.
I have it on my gx85 i love it love it love it
Rhett, you write about "macro" but it is not a true macro i.e. 1 to 1 reality size versus screen size (?). What you are really saying is that you can take nice close-up shots but that is not the same thing...
Yeah macro is definitely more of a slang term for close up stuff these days, I try to say macro-ish, macro-esk, or macro-type shots instead of just saying macro. Thanks for clarifying though!
So I finally got a zoom 12-40. Not gonna lie it's a lot of fun to use lol
Extra info, I shoot 4k60fps, AFC, one area.
Yes! i found another person thats stoked on zooming while shooting! Please manufacturers give us a some camcorder like lenses for all the mirrorless cameras. who cares if it had to be f11. but let it be parfocal stabilized and simply not have exposure changes while zooming.
Rett are you aware of anything else out there like this regardless of manufacturer. i found the canon 18-135 usd nano is nearly there even tho its lower tier lens
cheers
I got it for 400E to use as a single lens for my EP7. I'm a bit worried i got a bad copy, can you tell me if yours has a bit of movement of the front element? I was not expecting that, it makes a noise, but in the same time i can't imagine what can get broken to behave like that, maybe there's some sealing that wore out.
It’s has a 35mm FF equivalent of 24-120mm, not 12-120…
@@DennisMeetsWorld the … was unnecessary haha
I'll use mine for films with my GH6
did you update your lens?
Can you please compare the 12-60 to Olympus 12-100 f4? Would love to see that. I'm currently using the Olympus 12-40 on BMPCC and missing the OIS as BMPCC doesn't have IBIS. Both 12-60 12-100 have OIS, but 12-60 is a bit brighter at the wide end and 12-100 has a manual clutch. Couldn't decide which one to get. How is focus breathing between these two? Is 12-100 parfocal to similar extent as the 12-60? Thanks!
Stay posted for the video! I’m working on it I swear but a lot has come up which has really slowed down the channel.
The focus breathing is minimal in both but I think the 12-100 is worse slightly. The 12-100 is decently parfocal besides one noticeable shift between 12-18mm and maybe some weirdness going on at 70 but for the most part between 18-100 or so is quite good
I have a question. I need a Wide angle Lens. I´m filming and photograph with my GH5 abandoned places like Vlogging (low light!) and have a 12-60 Kit (no leica). I need a lens that is good in low light in filming and Photo. Now I dont no what to buy, I´m thinking about the 10-25 f1.7, I no its big but I have no problem with that. It must just be also good in automatic mode because I film fast and I have to focus on other things because it can be very dangerous some places. Can you help me and recommend wich lens to choose adn why? P.S. sorry for bad english and Thx!
I think the Leica 10-25 should do you justice, its one of the faster AF lenses for panasonic and had really good low light etc. You might be able to make the Leica 8-18 work but it isnt nearly as good in low light or as versatile. The 10-25 is big and heavy for vlogging though, and expensive but an amazing all in one lens.
Grabbed it with the 10-25mm 1.7.... Done.
I can certainly see you someday needing something more telephoto but those two should get you very far!
I use the olympus 12-40 2.8 for pro filming and to me its a much better lense. It has constant 2.8 , a manual focus clutch and its cheaper also. I recommend the olympus to anyone who wants a great , expensive feeling high quality lense with awsome picture quality.
I’m sure it’s a great lens but never had the chance to use it myself! Totally depends on the priorities though
@@RhettThompsonFilm olympus lenses have a special look. Very Sharp but pleasing soft at the same time. Hard to explain. Its a different look to leica lenses but i like both
thanks
I've heard many times zooming during a video is a no no? As with all rules I'm sure there are exceptions. Under which circumstances would one want to zoom while rolling?
BTW, will you plan to do a review of the Olympus 8-25 f/4? I have the Leica 12-60 but constantly find myself lacking that wider view for landscapes and timelapses.
Do you know if the Olympus 12-100's IS work with Panasonic dual IS?
Nope! And Panasonics doesn’t work with Olympus cameras. It’s one or the other unfortunately
how is microcontrast ? matching other pana leica lens?
It’s very solid I have to say, holding up in the ballpark with the other Leica lenses. Maybe not quite there but very close and night and day compared to day the 14-140
16mm close focus?
Did I say that in the video? Not sure at this point
Man I still dont have a zoom lens ive heard even the kit 12-60 is a good lens. Would like to see this compared to the olympus 12-40. I didnt like the leica 15. The 12 i had and kinda regret returning. Pit this against your 10-25
12-60 vs 12-40 would be interesting for sure. I have a 12-60 vs 12-100 from olympus coming out soon too!
@@RhettThompsonFilm lets gooooo
I hired the 10-25... was great but heavy, and for the times I was that wide, I just keep the Oly 12 f2 and crop in at 4k if I need to. As someone wanting to do 3 camera interview or event stuff, 3 bodies, the 12, the 25 1.4, the 42.5 1.7, the oly 75, and the 35-100...cover me for most. I have the 20 pancake on a gx85 (with the 42.5 in the other pocket) for incognito, and the 100-300 just in case I ever need that length. Just sold the Laowa 7.5 today, hardly used it. Partly to fund another GH5 for the G7 I sold yesterday. I try not to think about a short zoom, I found the 12-35 underwhelming and soft at 12, but this video has me torn again. 12-60 f4 parfocal at events would really take the pressure off...thanks for the video and the chat. Ps: selling the sigma 30 1.4 too. Lovely lens but need to keep this weight down, and the 25 that just arrived is sweet!
@@andrewp1513 dang man lol not bad.
@@A1Bokeh apologies, I needed to get that off my chest and you were wrong place, wrong time! I hired the oly 45-150 2.8 too. Felt like crying when I gave it back, but talk about dang...dang fking heavy.
When I first got the GH5, this was my least favorite lens. Now that I've used the GH5 for years now, the Leica is my favorite.
Its not the most inspiring lens but it certainly is very good and very useful in the right situations.
My gh6 came with a 9mm
This isn't a "kit" lens though
It comes has a standard “kit” with the GH5 or GH6. Not sure the definition but that counts to me
Love the subject matter and your presentation, but will respectfully decline your invitation to 'like' this video (about one of my favorite lenses) that contains those out of focus segments.
Haha it was mostly a joke but I understand! Hopefully you can find something else to like about the video.