Glad you did this collaboration, watched you both for a while now. You're both very eloquent, informative and entertaining chaps. Very relaxing for a Sunday evening...
Plaistow and East Ham Pubs with @JohnRogersWalks 17.11.24 2116pm a silhouette of a werewolf? i had to rewind. thought it was a silhouette of the ghost of a flea...
Great to see John in this video. On the Boleyn probably worth a mention that when West Ham United moved to the London Stadium at Stratford there was a fair amount of concern about its future as one of its main sources of revenue, the home supporters, were gone. Makes the costly renovation of the pub even more impressive.
One thing which struck me about this area was actually how few pubs there were. There's practically a mile to walk between the Black Lion and the Boleyn and I hardly saw any other pubs which were still in business today along that stretch. So if the Boleyn was lost there really would be a big hole in the local pub landscape. I have to take my hat off to the current owners of the Boleyn for that commitment.
@ I think that the lack of pubs is demographic changes in the area with less emphasis on the pub culture. I’ve known the area since the 1970s and pubs struggling in the area is hardly a new phenomenon. Perhaps as well the new apartments that were built on the land that used to form the Boleyn Ground (aka Upton Park) also played a part in the decision to restore the pub?
@@truebrit3578 Makes sense. I saw a surprising number of kids in the Boleyn and the Denmark Arms. I have mixed feelings about kids in pubs, but hopefully in this case it's a sign there are young families moving to the area - perhaps living in some of those new apartments - so there might be a new generation of pub goers in the making.
Great stuff Tweedy! Brilliant video nice to see John Rogers another fantastic youtuber, its a shame my old great grandads pub is no longer there, still derelict and falling down.. The Old Spotted Dog, Forest Gate. Cheers anyway Tweedy! 🍻
The Old Spotted Dog was a beautiful pub. I visited quite a few times in the early - mid 1990s. I was sad to hear it had closed, and when I walked down there some years ago it was heart-breaking to see the state of it. ☹
I lived in Plaistow from the early 60s until late 70s. Going to the Spotted Dog was a treat, I think it was a chain restaurant/pub at the time. It was a lovely old building too!
That was brilliant John and John. So great to see two very knowledgeable RUclips gentlemen out and about together enjoying a pint and some wonderful sights. Cheers!
Thanks LLR! I spent some time swotting up on the local area before heading there but I think John just knew everything he talked about here already. Really great for me to have that font of knowledge on tap!
Thanks Phil! I think that's part of the magic of pubs for me that they often are these time capsules of the former character of an area. Most of the streets surrounding the Black Lion have changed to an extent which would surely be unrecognisable to anyone who had lived there in the 18th or 19th century... but they hopefully would still recognise the pub.
Thank you! Really nice to hear there's an overlap in the audiences - I liked John's videos before I ever started making my own, so it makes a lot of sense!
Thanks - glad to hear it! I had been curious why you'd need a coaching inn for a village which at that point in time was on a road to nowhere (well, into the marshes), and it was great to have John there with his vast local knowledge to help figure it out.
Brilliant to see John Rogers on your channel. Re. Lion pubs, village near me, Woodcote, had three pubs when I was a lad, Red Lion, White Lion and Black Lion, so maybe was just a way of differentiating, as John suggested
Thanks Peter! That's a lot of lions in one village! I recall from when I was in St Albans last year that they originally had four lions, and all of them red! They added some extra words to the name to try to reduce the confusion so we ended up with a Lower Red Lion, a Great Red Lion, a Rampant Red Lion and a Little Red Lion.
Antic seem to be mainly SE London (including the Catford Constitutional Club) with occasional forays into the rest of London. My notes on the Boleyn (from 2006) describe it as 'Cavernous' - this was well before its excellent refit.
Tweedy, having only ventured into East London within a few hundred yards from the boundary of the City of London, I must admit I am impressed by your choice of pubs. I don't know if I shall visit them all, but I can take a train from my home in Kent to Stratford and they are all accessible from their. Great to see John Rogers as well
Tweedy, I'm not sure why you apologized for visiting just three rather than the usual five pubs, because these establishments today were simply WONDERFUL! I've marked all three in my daybook to visit when I manage to get myself across the pond in the new year. I was incredibly impressed with the exterior shots of The Boleyn. Thank you for your videos John !
Thank you! This part of London doesn't have a huge number of pubs actually, so that was another factor, but I agree the first two in particular had a lot to offer.
@darkarts59 Yes , but Kenya is a young country approx 62 years old and was established by the British when they built a railway from Mombasa to Kampala in 1900 at this time it was just bedouin tribes . Nairobi for example was established when that locality was as consolidation point for completing the railway ( employment ) In 1963 officially Kenya became a state when they obtained Independence from the British.
Exceptional insight and analysis. Having grown up in Plaistow I often frequented all 3 pubs. Sadly we lost the Coach and Horses on the high street but there is still the Abbey Arms on Barking Road which is well worth a review
Hi Tweedy. Thank you for showing these three attractive and interesting pubs in an area of London I know so little about. Having been brought up in west London it was too far to travel into east London. 👍😀🍺
Very enjoyabe posting Tweedy. Loads of great pubs to visit on my next trip to the UK. I'm the quiet American who just drinks in the atmosphere and a delicious cask conditioned ale.
Thank you! I know exactly what you mean about drinking in the atmosphere - in between the bits where I'm talking to camera in these videos I always try and find a bit of time to just sit and take it in. Assuming the pub is one I actually like that is!
I lived in a pub just up the road from the Black Lion at the bottom of Plaistow station hill called the Lord Raglan. We moved there in early 1975 just before West Ham won the FA cup, that was a memorable time. I also used to go to a boxing club in the Black Lion, there were pubs every few hundred yards back then.
Hi John, Enjoyable interview with John Rogers, I shall have to look him up. Clever bit of editing to have you both in bubbles laid over the old maps around plaistow👌👌 Enjoyed seeing the bench seats with the railway name cast into it too. The Boleyn looked magnificent and I can remember walking past on the way to the football ground, which alas is no more. I confess I never realised that it was related to Anne, the pronunciation that I remember was more like "Boil-in"😮😮. The billiards room with it's stained glass skylight was really striking The Dr Who superstore looked like fun. A great tour, well done!!
Thanks David! Yes I am constantly learning new tricks when it comes to editing, and I thought the bubbles would work well here as you get the best of both worlds of "talking heads" plus showing a map or some other visual on most of the screen. The Boleyn is indeed a magnificent pub! ...and for once a pub refurbishment which has attempted to restore a pub to its former glory, rather than modernising it in some hideous way.
Really enjoyed this tour of pubs in a lesser frequented neighbourhood of London and the synergy with John Rogers (just subscribed to the channel). The maps and prints gave a good idea of the amazing development in the 19th century. Cheers Tweedy!
Thank Kathi! It's not a part of London I know well at all, which seemed like a perfect opportunity for this meetup with John, who is something of a guru on London in general, but particularly so when it comes to East London. Glad you like the maps - I find them endlessly fascinating, so densely packed with things we can learn about the way the city used to be.
Fabulous collaboration - thanks both. Incredible how rural the area was, so late in the day. Little villages/hamlets now swamped. Your graphics were exceptional and I know how much effort went into them. The Roman Centurion fired my imagination and had me imagining them building their road across the marsh. They’d never have envisaged it being used by that rogue Turpin 1,700 years later! The Boleyn Tavern was spectacular. What was going on next door with that huge scaffold? Thank you for the Who Shop! A legendary place for Whovians in such a random location and it’s been going so long. So much work went into this video and I hope it does well. Popping over to see you on John’s channel now!
Thanks Mr WC21! ...and particularly for noticing the graphics! I learn something new with every one of these videos... There had been an old cinema building next door to the Boleyn, still present on the most recent Google StreetView imagery, but alas recently demolished.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I was particularly disappointed because I'd actually "scripted" a bit of blurb to say about that former cinema, and another one up the road. It was I believe called the Boleyn Cinema, there's a page about it on the "Cinema Treasures" website I've referred to on a couple of previous videos. It would be dishonest if I pretended to be a big cinema buff - you know me, my idea of a good night out is being alone in a hedge with a bottle of wine, and the idea of being hemmed in on all sides by complete strangers while watching a film has never really appealed... but I do think some of them are beautiful buildings.
This is great, Tweedy. The chat between you and John Rogers was somewhat enlightening. The three pubs you featured look very interesting and I love the Who Shop. So... thanks It's been a triple treat today what with Mr, WC21 and his "Taller than Stonehenge" too 👌
Hi mate. What can I say as ever awesome stuff. Please keep them coming. The black lion pub brilliant. Great to see another legend of u tube with your good self sir!! X 😎😎🍺
Great video, nice to see you do a collab with the famous John Rogers. The Black Lion pub use to be a boxing pub, some of my childhood friends use to box there. Look forward to your ne t video. More East London pubs please 👍😁😎
I think only someone like John Rogers could get Tweedy out to Plaistow and East Ham! Anyway, as a fan of both of your channels it was great seeing you two meet up and collaborate. I thought it was very interesting to know that the same architect firm designed all those iconic pubs. I lived in north London for a little while and remember always being struck by The Great Northern Railway Tavern any time I would pass it. Have you talked about The Salisbury in Harringay yet? Cheers Tweedy!
Thanks TKP! Yes this isn't an area of London I know well but I think the pubs were a really nice surprise, and it was great having Mr Rogers on hand for all that local knowledge. No I haven't included the Salisbury in a video yet, although I have been there several times - sort of a sister pub to the Queens in Crouch End. I almost considered including it in that video but it was just a bit of a stretch too far! I'll figure out a way to cover it at some point...
Two of my favourite RUclipsrs in a collaboration over a pint or three. Great stuff!! I had been to the first two but not the Denmark. Antic seems to be quite a big concern, and put 13 of their pubs into administration in July, 11 of which were bought by the Urban Pub Group. The Denmark didn't appear to be one of them though, so presumably things are going well there.
Thanks Stuart! It was quite refreshing on this outing that none of the pubs belonged to the really big chains - the first one an independent and the other two ran by smaller pub companies.
The Boleyn Pub must be one of the most beautiful pub buildings in the UK. Such a shame when West Hams Boleyn Ground, Upton Park closed. On match day The Boleyn Pub was packed.
I remember The Black Lion from the 1960s. It was always a "posher" pub, and a great favourite with some of the Aussie and Kiwi ships officers from the nearby Royal Docks, still in full operation then. I seem to remember there was an aquarium as a feature and I think a caged minor bird...Don't remember all those beautiful architectural features thugh. It was always too crowded then to see around.
The funniest thing about Dr Who is the sketch where the Dalek's say they are going to takeover the universe, and then fail at the first hurdle at the foot of the staircase.
I watched the TV drama "The Adventures Of Moll Flanders", based on Daniel Defoe's novel, with actress Alex Kingston playing a cheeky Moll Flanders. The first pub, The Black Lion, reminds of the coaching inn scenes set in 17th century England. Highwaymen included.
Interesting. On your map the old West Ham ground is named as the Boleyn. As I understand it, this was always pronounced with the stress on the first syllable.
Wow ! what a great video, Beer, History and excellent camera work, exPat watching from Koh Samui Thailand..looking forward to the Leytonstone reunion. you fellas know your History.
Happy to find your channel from John Rogers!! When ever my husband and i are lucky enough to get to London, we love to find new pubs. Last month we went to the Lamb and flag ( i think😮) in Covent Garden 😅 Cheers!!
Thank you, and welcome! Yes the Lamb and Flag is a favourite of mine too - there's always something special about a pub tucked down an alleyway like that!
Thanks Patrick, and welcome to the channel! To be honest my preference would be not to have TVs in pubs, a great pub for me is an opportunity to time travel and the fewer signs of modernity the better. That said, there's also that aspect of going to a pub which is like being invited into someone's home, and especially when I was well outside of my usual stomping ground it felt it would be a bit rude to be too critical of that. The Black Lion obviously works as it is for its regulars, they're the ones who matter most, and at least for a while the TVs were off in the quiet bar, which was a really nice space.
Very good mate! I was born in Plaistow, and The Black Lion is the nuts! Had a rich boxing heritage as well. The pub nearest the house I grew up in: 'The Army And Navy' in New Barn St, had a 'chequered past'. It was closed for ages because an arsonist put a tried to burn it down (and pretty much succeeded) whilst the Landlord and his family were asleep in the accommodation upstairs, and it was FINALLY shut down by the ol' bill when a guy was stabbed to death during a lock in. ROUGH are Plaistow, LEMME TELL YA!👍 The Black Lion is blinding though. I was there about 3 months ago.
That blind window used to have a picture, painted by an artist, of a boy looking out and down at the passers by. I used to marvel at it every time I was driven passed by my dad. Great colab and great video. New subscriber now! 👍🏼
The Boleyn is a cracking pub, the new owners did a great job with the renovation and the pub seems to be doing a good trade. More than that can be said for the Denmark Arms, shame as Antic have done some good pubs in the past.
I was born in Plaistow and used to walk Upton park to watch west ham . The pubs we used were the central.....the Wakefield and the Denmark......the boleyn was always too crowded!!.
The 'Prince of Denmark March' (Jeremiah Clarke, ca. 1697) was composed in honor of Prince George of Denmark, the husband of Queen Anne. Even the late Prince Phillip was a prince of Denmark. Clarke was the first organist of the rebuilt St. Paul's Cathedral. A very good tune! Not sure if the pub also could have had that tie in somehow. The Danes owned that part of London for centuries and they like to drink I hear. Even Chumbawumba used that air in their only song with the trumpet with good effect.
Thanks RRD, and fascinating to hear all those extra Danish connections. I've occasionally heard that Danish concept of "hygge" being likened to the joy of sitting in a nice old pub.
I always record it, sometimes it just doesn't sound quite right so I end up cutting it out when it comes to editing. It's really nice to hear it's missed when absent though!
Great stuff. It feels vaguely sinful to have two favourite RUclipsrs in one hit. As though Spiderman and Captain America had teamed up. Velazquez had turned up to give Rembrandt a hand with some brushwork on a late self portrait. Verdi and Muddy Waters had .... I'll get my coat
The Fireplace in the Denmark Arms was one of the better ones in the series. I assume most are defunct or non-operable. It would be better if these pubs still lit fireplaces especially in the winter months for adding another layer of pubby-pubitude with smoky aroma. (Although, I don't think I have even been around a coal-burning fire before).
Yes there is something quite magical about the smell of an open fire as you enter a pub. The only ones I can think of in central London are all Sam Smith's pubs: The Old Cheshire Cheese, The Fitzroy Tavern, The Red Lion on Kingly Street. Maybe a good topic for a video in the run up to Christmas...?
It comes up in passing in lots of videos but I'm not sure there's one good reference video for that. The most common different name for the sections within a pub in the late Victorian / Edwardian era are: - Public bar: The most down-to-earth bit. Usually the cheapest prices for the drinks and might have been standing room only or simple wooden furniture. - Saloon bar: The more upmarket bit, which may have had slightly higher drinks prices, possibly nicer chairs, the fixtures and fittings might have been a bit fancier and if there were any extra entertainments laid on (like live music) it might have been more likely only available in there. Depending on the pub this might have been the only space ladies would have felt comfortable in. - Private bar: I think sometimes this might have been an "invitation only" space for friends of the landlord and/or a room for very loyal regulars. Depending on the pub there might have been other spaces as well, like a billiards room, a darts room, a dedicated ladies room, a dining area, or a "jug & bottle" / off sales room, which would usually be tiny, and basically just an access from an exterior door to the bar counter so people could buy drinks to take away.
Strangely no mention of the fact that the Boleyn was next door to West Ham Utd's ground, and a Mecca for fans before their lamentable move to Stratford. COYI ⚒️
Antic have a bunch of pubs around London. About a decade and more ago they took over some failing and closed down pubs, many with interesting architecture, and revitalised them. They had top quality ales, good food and no TVs. In recent times, however, there seems to have been a marked decline. I recently revisited one of their pubs and the number of ales had decreased along with the quality. And as far as customers go, it was near dead compared with when I lived nearby eight years ago. Rumour is that they’re close to bankruptcy.
The weather may not have helped, but I thought the pubs were a really nice surprise - especially the first two! I did start to plan a Stoke Newington video a while back, but then I was distracted with other things. Might pick that up again soon-ish. I actually used to live in Pimlico a long time ago and always tended to go a bit further afield for pubs (e.g. Belgravia) because I was slightly underwhelmed by the local offering... but maybe I should reappraise? Pubs aside, I do have a soft spot for the area still.
I agree I'm not personally a fan of having lots of screens in pubs, but I suppose this was one of those "when in Rome" moments - I did really like the Black Lion other than that.
Thanks for a great day Tweedy!!! Looking forward to a pint in Leytonstone!
Thanks John, it was indeed a very nice day out!
Glad you did this collaboration, watched you both for a while now. You're both very eloquent, informative and entertaining chaps. Very relaxing for a Sunday evening...
Thank you for those very kind words!
Plaistow and East Ham Pubs with @JohnRogersWalks 17.11.24 2116pm a silhouette of a werewolf? i had to rewind. thought it was a silhouette of the ghost of a flea...
Great to see John in this video. On the Boleyn probably worth a mention that when West Ham United moved to the London Stadium at Stratford there was a fair amount of concern about its future as one of its main sources of revenue, the home supporters, were gone. Makes the costly renovation of the pub even more impressive.
One thing which struck me about this area was actually how few pubs there were. There's practically a mile to walk between the Black Lion and the Boleyn and I hardly saw any other pubs which were still in business today along that stretch. So if the Boleyn was lost there really would be a big hole in the local pub landscape. I have to take my hat off to the current owners of the Boleyn for that commitment.
@ I think that the lack of pubs is demographic changes in the area with less emphasis on the pub culture. I’ve known the area since the 1970s and pubs struggling in the area is hardly a new phenomenon. Perhaps as well the new apartments that were built on the land that used to form the Boleyn Ground (aka Upton Park) also played a part in the decision to restore the pub?
@@truebrit3578 Makes sense. I saw a surprising number of kids in the Boleyn and the Denmark Arms. I have mixed feelings about kids in pubs, but hopefully in this case it's a sign there are young families moving to the area - perhaps living in some of those new apartments - so there might be a new generation of pub goers in the making.
The collab we've all been waiting for!
Thank you! It was great meeting John and a really good opportunity to chew the cud both on screen and off.
Great stuff Tweedy! Brilliant video nice to see John Rogers another fantastic youtuber, its a shame my old great grandads pub is no longer there, still derelict and falling down.. The Old Spotted Dog, Forest Gate. Cheers anyway Tweedy! 🍻
Thank you! The Old Spotted Dog is a great pub name and it is indeed a shame it's no longer there.
The Old Spotted Dog was a beautiful pub. I visited quite a few times in the early - mid 1990s. I was sad to hear it had closed, and when I walked down there some years ago it was heart-breaking to see the state of it. ☹
I lived in Plaistow from the early 60s until late 70s. Going to the Spotted Dog was a treat, I think it was a chain restaurant/pub at the time. It was a lovely old building too!
Lovely to see both of you collaborate like this….! Both fountains of historical knowledge! ❤️
John is the real sage of London here - I just tried to swot up as much as possible before the day so I might just about be able to keep up!
@@TweedyPubs 🙃 yes, but you are clearly great at research!
That was brilliant John and John. So great to see two very knowledgeable RUclips gentlemen out and about together enjoying a pint and some wonderful sights. Cheers!
Thanks LLR! I spent some time swotting up on the local area before heading there but I think John just knew everything he talked about here already. Really great for me to have that font of knowledge on tap!
I came here via John Roger's video as many have as I see in the comments. Subscribed immediately of course. Excellent video!
Thank you, much appreciated!
It never ceases to amaze me that areas heavily urbanised now were considered remote hamlets so recently in history. Superb vid.
Thanks Phil! I think that's part of the magic of pubs for me that they often are these time capsules of the former character of an area. Most of the streets surrounding the Black Lion have changed to an extent which would surely be unrecognisable to anyone who had lived there in the 18th or 19th century... but they hopefully would still recognise the pub.
This is the video that I didn’t know I needed! Love both of your vlogs ❤
Thank you! Really nice to hear there's an overlap in the audiences - I liked John's videos before I ever started making my own, so it makes a lot of sense!
Plaistow’s never been so honoured to have you and John visiting it 😂the first two pubs were excellent 👌 thanks have a great week ahead 🍺👍😁
Thanks Mick! I agree maybe the third pub wasn't exactly my cup of tea but the Black Lion and the Boleyn were well worth the trip.
@ yea indeed
Great video John , fantastic to have met you yesterday. The Guiness was fantastic in the Royal Oak
Cheers Rob, thanks for coming over to say hello! I hope you liked the pub, one of my favourites.
Big John Rogers fan, now subscribing to your blogs & looking forward to it.
Another John I see! Thanks for subscribing, welcome!
Fond memories of all 3 pubs before and after matches at the old Boleyn ground. Never appreciated at the time the wonderful buildings. Thanks John.
Glad this brought back good memories!
A match made in heaven love history of London pubs and London in general and been watching both RUclips channels for a good few years now.
Who’d think two geezers having a beer in an East London pub would be such great viewing….👏👍
Thanks - glad to hear it! I had been curious why you'd need a coaching inn for a village which at that point in time was on a road to nowhere (well, into the marshes), and it was great to have John there with his vast local knowledge to help figure it out.
@@TweedyPubsafter discovering your superb RUclips channel, I actually find myself looking at pubs from the outside before walking in now… 👏👏👍
Plaistow and East Ham Pubs with @JohnRogersWalks 17.11.24 2120pm burton's was a great store.... as for the price of a pint... noooo wayyyyyy......
Brilliant to see John Rogers on your channel. Re. Lion pubs, village near me, Woodcote, had three pubs when I was a lad, Red Lion, White Lion and Black Lion, so maybe was just a way of differentiating, as John suggested
Thanks Peter! That's a lot of lions in one village! I recall from when I was in St Albans last year that they originally had four lions, and all of them red! They added some extra words to the name to try to reduce the confusion so we ended up with a Lower Red Lion, a Great Red Lion, a Rampant Red Lion and a Little Red Lion.
Great video. Nice to meet John. Black Lion was the star....a rural pub surviving in London.
Thanks Liam! Yes I agree on the Black Lion, and that's a really good way of characterising it.
Antic seem to be mainly SE London (including the Catford Constitutional Club) with occasional forays into the rest of London. My notes on the Boleyn (from 2006) describe it as 'Cavernous' - this was well before its excellent refit.
That was actually my first time in the Boleyn - I think it would be worth the trip to East Ham for that pub alone, it's magnificent.
What a great Sunday! WC21K Productions, Tweedy Pubs, and John Rogers. 3 of my favorites 🎉
Thanks L&J! Glad you liked this pair of videos, and I thought this week's WC21 video was great!
Tweedy, having only ventured into East London within a few hundred yards from the boundary of the City of London, I must admit I am impressed by your choice of pubs. I don't know if I shall visit them all, but I can take a train from my home in Kent to Stratford and they are all accessible from their. Great to see John Rogers as well
Thanks Ken! I don't know East London very well either but at least the first two of these pubs are definitely places I would go back to.
Hallo! 😉 Boleyn tavern is a very beautiful building ! Good job thanks!
Can't wait to visit this pubs in a few days. Cheers from Germany 🍻
Tweedy, I'm not sure why you apologized for visiting just three rather than the usual five pubs, because these establishments today were simply WONDERFUL! I've marked all three in my daybook to visit when I manage to get myself across the pond in the new year. I was incredibly impressed with the exterior shots of The Boleyn. Thank you for your videos John !
Thank you! This part of London doesn't have a huge number of pubs actually, so that was another factor, but I agree the first two in particular had a lot to offer.
Great video Tweedy , being in Kenya miss the Boleyn ,...and the great pubs of London ..come on you Irons ⚒️
Thanks Robert - and glad this one particularly resonated for you with a pub you're familiar with!
Kenya doesn't have pubs?
@darkarts59 Yes , but Kenya is a young country approx 62 years old and was established by the British when they built a railway from Mombasa to Kampala in 1900 at this time it was just bedouin tribes . Nairobi for example was established when that locality was as consolidation point for completing the railway ( employment ) In 1963 officially Kenya became a state when they obtained Independence from the British.
Haha fancy bumping into John. ;-) Two of my favourite Londoners!
Thanks Kevin! It was great to meet John, such a knowledgeable guy.
Agreed, pity @realtroyfrancis wasn't also there.
Excellent channel excellent information excellent footage!!
Great to bump into you in the royal oak yesterday Tweedy!
Thanks for saying hello! It's a great pub isn't it?
Exceptional insight and analysis. Having grown up in Plaistow I often frequented all 3 pubs. Sadly we lost the Coach and Horses on the high street but there is still the Abbey Arms on Barking Road which is well worth a review
Two legends, showcasing many of my favourite things. The Black Lion, Captain Bob, @newhambookstore ⚒️
Thank you, and glad these featured a few of your favourite things!
Hi Tweedy. Thank you for showing these three attractive and interesting pubs in an area of London I know so little about. Having been brought up in west London it was too far to travel into east London. 👍😀🍺
Thanks Andrew - I didn't know the area well either so it was great to have John there with me who is a bit of a guru on East London.
Wow! The Boleyn is beautiful.
Very enjoyabe posting Tweedy. Loads of great pubs to visit on my next trip to the UK. I'm the quiet American who just drinks in the atmosphere and a delicious cask conditioned ale.
Thank you! I know exactly what you mean about drinking in the atmosphere - in between the bits where I'm talking to camera in these videos I always try and find a bit of time to just sit and take it in. Assuming the pub is one I actually like that is!
I lived in a pub just up the road from the Black Lion at the bottom of Plaistow station hill called the Lord Raglan. We moved there in early 1975 just before West Ham won the FA cup, that was a memorable time. I also used to go to a boxing club in the Black Lion, there were pubs every few hundred yards back then.
Hi John, Enjoyable interview with John Rogers, I shall have to look him up.
Clever bit of editing to have you both in bubbles laid over the old maps around plaistow👌👌 Enjoyed seeing the bench seats with the railway name cast into it too.
The Boleyn looked magnificent and I can remember walking past on the way to the football ground, which alas is no more. I confess I never realised that it was related to Anne, the pronunciation that I remember was more like "Boil-in"😮😮. The billiards room with it's stained glass skylight was really striking
The Dr Who superstore looked like fun.
A great tour, well done!!
Thanks David!
Yes I am constantly learning new tricks when it comes to editing, and I thought the bubbles would work well here as you get the best of both worlds of "talking heads" plus showing a map or some other visual on most of the screen.
The Boleyn is indeed a magnificent pub! ...and for once a pub refurbishment which has attempted to restore a pub to its former glory, rather than modernising it in some hideous way.
Brilliant. Was a pleasure bumping into you yesterday in the Royal Oak. 👍👍👏
Cheers Kev - thanks for coming over to say hello! I hope you liked the Royal Oak. I think I ended up staying for five pints. 🍻
Really enjoyed this tour of pubs in a lesser frequented neighbourhood of London and the synergy with John Rogers (just subscribed to the channel). The maps and prints gave a good idea of the amazing development in the 19th century. Cheers Tweedy!
Thank Kathi! It's not a part of London I know well at all, which seemed like a perfect opportunity for this meetup with John, who is something of a guru on London in general, but particularly so when it comes to East London. Glad you like the maps - I find them endlessly fascinating, so densely packed with things we can learn about the way the city used to be.
Wonderful stuff to see you both together for a chat.
Thanks Phil!
Always a teat to see you out and a bout Mr Tweed.
Thanks Russell!
Fabulous collaboration - thanks both.
Incredible how rural the area was, so late in the day. Little villages/hamlets now swamped. Your graphics were exceptional and I know how much effort went into them. The Roman Centurion fired my imagination and had me imagining them building their road across the marsh. They’d never have envisaged it being used by that rogue Turpin 1,700 years later!
The Boleyn Tavern was spectacular. What was going on next door with that huge scaffold?
Thank you for the Who Shop! A legendary place for Whovians in such a random location and it’s been going so long.
So much work went into this video and I hope it does well. Popping over to see you on John’s channel now!
Thanks Mr WC21! ...and particularly for noticing the graphics! I learn something new with every one of these videos...
There had been an old cinema building next door to the Boleyn, still present on the most recent Google StreetView imagery, but alas recently demolished.
@ I suspected something like that. Demolition companies are never short of work, are they?!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I was particularly disappointed because I'd actually "scripted" a bit of blurb to say about that former cinema, and another one up the road. It was I believe called the Boleyn Cinema, there's a page about it on the "Cinema Treasures" website I've referred to on a couple of previous videos.
It would be dishonest if I pretended to be a big cinema buff - you know me, my idea of a good night out is being alone in a hedge with a bottle of wine, and the idea of being hemmed in on all sides by complete strangers while watching a film has never really appealed... but I do think some of them are beautiful buildings.
This is great, Tweedy.
The chat between you and John Rogers was somewhat enlightening.
The three pubs you featured look very interesting and I love the Who Shop. So... thanks
It's been a triple treat today what with Mr, WC21 and his "Taller than Stonehenge" too 👌
Thanks Christine!
You are lucky to find 3 pubs in Plaistow and East Ham. They are all shut.
Hi mate. What can I say as ever awesome stuff. Please keep them coming. The black lion pub brilliant. Great to see another legend of u tube with your good self sir!! X 😎😎🍺
Thanks Elvis! It was a bit of a long wait for this one but hopefully another video coming this week.
Awesome stuff mate. Thankyou
Balaam's talking donkey is a great story. Loved the video, I spent my teenage and early 20s in Plaistow.
Thanks Steve!
The Champions sculpture opposite the Boleyn, featuring Bobby Moore holding the World Cup is one of the best things left in that area.
And also thanks for including the who shop! Love the old skool tube district line look of East Ham and Plaistow stations
Great video, nice to see you do a collab with the famous John Rogers. The Black Lion pub use to be a boxing pub, some of my childhood friends use to box there. Look forward to your ne t video. More East London pubs please 👍😁😎
This video is great as it has two of my favourites RUclipsrs....and i used go to the black lion after going to see west ham play
I think only someone like John Rogers could get Tweedy out to Plaistow and East Ham! Anyway, as a fan of both of your channels it was great seeing you two meet up and collaborate.
I thought it was very interesting to know that the same architect firm designed all those iconic pubs. I lived in north London for a little while and remember always being struck by The Great Northern Railway Tavern any time I would pass it. Have you talked about The Salisbury in Harringay yet? Cheers Tweedy!
Thanks TKP! Yes this isn't an area of London I know well but I think the pubs were a really nice surprise, and it was great having Mr Rogers on hand for all that local knowledge.
No I haven't included the Salisbury in a video yet, although I have been there several times - sort of a sister pub to the Queens in Crouch End. I almost considered including it in that video but it was just a bit of a stretch too far! I'll figure out a way to cover it at some point...
Great video as always... the Black Lion looks excellent! my kind of boozer! cheers 🍻
Thank you! Yes the Black Lion was great - a proper old school boozer indeed.
Two of my favourite RUclipsrs in a collaboration over a pint or three. Great stuff!! I had been to the first two but not the Denmark. Antic seems to be quite a big concern, and put 13 of their pubs into administration in July, 11 of which were bought by the Urban Pub Group. The Denmark didn't appear to be one of them though, so presumably things are going well there.
Thanks Stuart! It was quite refreshing on this outing that none of the pubs belonged to the really big chains - the first one an independent and the other two ran by smaller pub companies.
You both posted your videos at the same time! I never click so fast 😂
The Boleyn Pub must be one of the most beautiful pub buildings in the UK. Such a shame when West Hams Boleyn Ground, Upton Park closed. On match day The Boleyn Pub was packed.
Great to see this collaboration @johnrogerswalks @tweedypubs - I really enjoy both your channels! Please do another one together!
Well done on the 10k. 👍👍
Getting it in early.
Don't jinx it, it could be all downhill from here! 😂
Iv had a few in the rocket near Euston station on my visits to the big smoke👍👍👍 💙 from West Cumbria great mouth watering content brother
Thank you! Still some nice original features in the Rocket!
Wonderful video! Two of my favourite RUclipsrs, more collaborations between the two of you would be great.
Definitely, I would like to see some round their home turfs especially.
I remember The Black Lion from the 1960s. It was always a "posher" pub, and a great favourite with some of the Aussie and Kiwi ships officers from the nearby Royal Docks, still in full operation then. I seem to remember there was an aquarium as a feature and I think a caged minor bird...Don't remember all those beautiful architectural features thugh. It was always too crowded then to see around.
As a West Ham fan I know all the pubs well. The Black Lion is my favourite. Used to have a boxing club attached.
It is a great boozer!
Great collab Tweedy hope this gets you more subs
Thank you!
The funniest thing about Dr Who is the sketch where the Dalek's say they are going to takeover the universe, and then fail at the first hurdle at the foot of the staircase.
I watched the TV drama "The Adventures Of Moll Flanders", based on Daniel Defoe's novel, with actress Alex Kingston playing a cheeky Moll Flanders. The first pub, The Black Lion, reminds of the coaching inn scenes set in 17th century England. Highwaymen included.
Excellent
Thank you!
There's a Black Lion pub near Hammersmith.
Interesting. On your map the old West Ham ground is named as the Boleyn. As I understand it, this was always pronounced with the stress on the first syllable.
It's like the film sliding doors,watching both of your videos..
Which one of us is Gwyneth Paltrow? 😂
Wow ! what a great video, Beer, History and excellent camera work, exPat watching from Koh Samui Thailand..looking forward to the Leytonstone reunion. you fellas know your History.
Happy to find your channel from John Rogers!! When ever my husband and i are lucky enough to get to London, we love to find new pubs. Last month we went to the Lamb and flag ( i think😮) in Covent Garden 😅 Cheers!!
Thank you, and welcome! Yes the Lamb and Flag is a favourite of mine too - there's always something special about a pub tucked down an alleyway like that!
Just came across your channel Friday. Watched almost non stop. Love the architectural history. Think I know your view but feelings on TV’s?
Thanks Patrick, and welcome to the channel!
To be honest my preference would be not to have TVs in pubs, a great pub for me is an opportunity to time travel and the fewer signs of modernity the better. That said, there's also that aspect of going to a pub which is like being invited into someone's home, and especially when I was well outside of my usual stomping ground it felt it would be a bit rude to be too critical of that. The Black Lion obviously works as it is for its regulars, they're the ones who matter most, and at least for a while the TVs were off in the quiet bar, which was a really nice space.
My go to vloggers for London catch up. Cheers from KL 32C...
Very good mate! I was born in Plaistow, and The Black Lion is the nuts! Had a rich boxing heritage as well. The pub nearest the house I grew up in: 'The Army And Navy' in New Barn St, had a 'chequered past'. It was closed for ages because an arsonist put a tried to burn it down (and pretty much succeeded) whilst the Landlord and his family were asleep in the accommodation upstairs, and it was FINALLY shut down by the ol' bill when a guy was stabbed to death during a lock in. ROUGH are Plaistow, LEMME TELL YA!👍 The Black Lion is blinding though. I was there about 3 months ago.
That blind window used to have a picture, painted by an artist, of a boy looking out and down at the passers by. I used to marvel at it every time I was driven passed by my dad. Great colab and great video. New subscriber now! 👍🏼
Thank you, and it's great to have that extra detail about the pub!
Is completely forgotten that, thank you!
The Boleyn is a cracking pub, the new owners did a great job with the renovation and the pub seems to be doing a good trade. More than that can be said for the Denmark Arms, shame as Antic have done some good pubs in the past.
I was born in Plaistow and used to walk Upton park to watch west ham .
The pubs we used were the central.....the Wakefield and the Denmark......the boleyn was always too crowded!!.
The 'Prince of Denmark March' (Jeremiah Clarke, ca. 1697) was composed in honor of Prince George of Denmark, the husband of Queen Anne. Even the late Prince Phillip was a prince of Denmark. Clarke was the first organist of the rebuilt St. Paul's Cathedral. A very good tune! Not sure if the pub also could have had that tie in somehow. The Danes owned that part of London for centuries and they like to drink I hear. Even Chumbawumba used that air in their only song with the trumpet with good effect.
Thanks RRD, and fascinating to hear all those extra Danish connections. I've occasionally heard that Danish concept of "hygge" being likened to the joy of sitting in a nice old pub.
Love rubbers❤
Perfect collaboration by two hugely popular London RUclipsrs. Would be honoured to have a pint with both of you!
Thank you!
As always loved it, however, missed the iconic "hello..." intro
I always record it, sometimes it just doesn't sound quite right so I end up cutting it out when it comes to editing. It's really nice to hear it's missed when absent though!
I know the Black Lion , as I use to live in Canning Town. Good choice of of pubs.
Thanks Gary - yes the Black Lion is definitely somewhere I'd go back to.
Great stuff. It feels vaguely sinful to have two favourite RUclipsrs in one hit. As though Spiderman and Captain America had teamed up. Velazquez had turned up to give Rembrandt a hand with some brushwork on a late self portrait. Verdi and Muddy Waters had .... I'll get my coat
The Fireplace in the Denmark Arms was one of the better ones in the series. I assume most are defunct or non-operable. It would be better if these pubs still lit fireplaces especially in the winter months for adding another layer of pubby-pubitude with smoky aroma. (Although, I don't think I have even been around a coal-burning fire before).
Yes there is something quite magical about the smell of an open fire as you enter a pub. The only ones I can think of in central London are all Sam Smith's pubs: The Old Cheshire Cheese, The Fitzroy Tavern, The Red Lion on Kingly Street. Maybe a good topic for a video in the run up to Christmas...?
ok so I am new to your channel do you have some videos that explain why the pubs have these different sections and what was there purpose?
keep up the great content I am a big fan!
It comes up in passing in lots of videos but I'm not sure there's one good reference video for that. The most common different name for the sections within a pub in the late Victorian / Edwardian era are:
- Public bar: The most down-to-earth bit. Usually the cheapest prices for the drinks and might have been standing room only or simple wooden furniture.
- Saloon bar: The more upmarket bit, which may have had slightly higher drinks prices, possibly nicer chairs, the fixtures and fittings might have been a bit fancier and if there were any extra entertainments laid on (like live music) it might have been more likely only available in there. Depending on the pub this might have been the only space ladies would have felt comfortable in.
- Private bar: I think sometimes this might have been an "invitation only" space for friends of the landlord and/or a room for very loyal regulars.
Depending on the pub there might have been other spaces as well, like a billiards room, a darts room, a dedicated ladies room, a dining area, or a "jug & bottle" / off sales room, which would usually be tiny, and basically just an access from an exterior door to the bar counter so people could buy drinks to take away.
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That was great, three classic English boozers, cheers!
Cheers Chris!
Bonza, Tweedy! And hat tip to Mr Rogers for his cameo.
Thank you!
Strangely no mention of the fact that the Boleyn was next door to West Ham Utd's ground, and a Mecca for fans before their lamentable move to Stratford. COYI ⚒️
Antic have a bunch of pubs around London. About a decade and more ago they took over some failing and closed down pubs, many with interesting architecture, and revitalised them. They had top quality ales, good food and no TVs. In recent times, however, there seems to have been a marked decline. I recently revisited one of their pubs and the number of ales had decreased along with the quality. And as far as customers go, it was near dead compared with when I lived nearby eight years ago. Rumour is that they’re close to bankruptcy.
Plaistow looks a bit grim Tweedy, how about visiting Stoke Newington or Pimlico?
The weather may not have helped, but I thought the pubs were a really nice surprise - especially the first two! I did start to plan a Stoke Newington video a while back, but then I was distracted with other things. Might pick that up again soon-ish. I actually used to live in Pimlico a long time ago and always tended to go a bit further afield for pubs (e.g. Belgravia) because I was slightly underwhelmed by the local offering... but maybe I should reappraise? Pubs aside, I do have a soft spot for the area still.
I call it Play-stow.
Hi Tweedy, where do you buy your suits?
Most are from Walker Slater. They have a shop in Covent Garden here in London but originally are based in Edinburgh.
‘Plah stow’ or ‘Play stow’ the jury is still out 😊
I definitely got it wrong in a number of different ways!
20:34 Does the Cock Inn still exist?
The Cock Inn was demolished about 30 years ago and in its place is a Barclays Bank
Noticed The Old Burnell Arms has incarnated into. Hindu temple! Ah well that’s “progress”……????
A celebrity collab, no less. Not that WC21 and Hedley aren’t celebs, I hasten to add. Carry on.
Doubt your find any true Cockneys left in these pubs
I find nothing more distracting in a pub than a screen in every corner.
I agree I'm not personally a fan of having lots of screens in pubs, but I suppose this was one of those "when in Rome" moments - I did really like the Black Lion other than that.
Plaistow and East Ham Pubs with @JohnRogersWalks 2056pm 17.11.24 if it's a pub it's interesting to me - no idea why...