Despite his limitations, he does care and does love them. They did a great job of playing him like someone who struggles with the concept of emotions, and he goes to the purely logical conclusion, his presence on the ship is disruptive, so, by removing himself, he eliminated the disruption and emotional distress.
@@ryanv7681I dont see why? You're not hostile to a roomba vacuum cleaner or your phone? Or even one of those alexa things. I even thank chat gpt after it has served me.
@@daisyp1670Maybe? As @nightigal mentioned, I would not make that plan A. Sure, it's possible that the AI might decide to shut itself down to remove the emotional distress, but it's equally likely that it would conclude that if your brain functions cease, you will no longer be capable of feeling distress of any kind, and therefore the solution is to unalive you. I'd like to go with a different plan before we resort to that one.
One of the things I liked about this episode is how they treated it seriously and with understanding. People that do it aren't making the choice out of a void. Calling them cowards or weak is victim blaming and ignores the external factors pushed on them.
@@PugGrumbler And what if you don't have problems to face? What if you fixed everything, one by one, but you still aren't happy. You are even less happy because fixing things was very distracting. And now there's nothing left to fix, but you still hate being alive.
@@JyS1991 that sounds like a problem to me, Mainly being your trying to live to fix stuff. If nothing is worth saving in life you don’t throw the life away, just stop trying to save everything. I mean you already decided to do that anyway if your ending it
@@freakshowfilmfestival3591 I think you meant surrogate, but that almost makes it funnier in a "Yeah, we're both going to hell for that, but I'm laughing anyway" sort of way.
What the people didnt realize, if Isaac didnt betray his people, more lives would have been lost. His LITERAL purpose was to distinguish whether or not humans were a threat. Why hate a guy who was created with a system who lacks emotion. Isaac was a weakness to kaylon but the greatest weapon for humans
The people on the crew hate what the kaylon have done Isaac is the only one there and he would not hurt them, it makes him an easier target to express their grief and hatred towards.......
Orville is an underrated show. It's a parody of Star Trek, but does it in a sincere way for those (like me) who never grew up on Star Trek. Instead of starting an entire 50 year journey from the beginning, I get to enjoy something new from the beginning. Comedy done well, but also real ass stories, ideas, and emotion.
The title is miss leading, the robot was following the collective concensus, they wanted him gone as a group "vote" as per the boy's words, so he enacted the order, the robot miss read the boy's words and self deleted his programming.
He determined his presence was causing distress to the ship and those he cared for so he determined the best course of action would be to remove himself. The title is correct it's just he used logic to come to the conclusion rather than emotions.
@@trueblaze84 So the title isn't correct. It was short term logic that was used because he didn't think about the repercussions of shutting himself down.
@@trueblaze84 The title doesn't say the robot didn't want to cause distress, the title says the robot couldn't take the abuse. Nowhere near the same thing.
Can you imagine finding out a crew member committed suicide after your son says he wishes the crew member was dead not to mention that fact the it appears Isaac did it to appease the crew and the doctors son
That's not how Kaylons work they aren't machines that just obey orders. He determined his presence was causing distress to the crew and the people he cared for so he determined the best way to fix it was to remove himself from the equation. He just failed to calculate in that doing so would cause them even more distress.
As someone who has not seen the show, can anyone give a tl:dr on Why the kid (and the "entire ship" apparently) want to be rid of the talking toaster??? 🤔
I'll try not to spoil anything, but basically he betrayed the entire crew and got a lot of people killed and put all their lives in jeopardy. He later did something that won back the trust of the Captain and most of the senior staff, but the rank and file crew and the kid still haven't forgiven him.
@@saphirebandit93 It boggles me that so many people forget that part. He basically got hacked, and the entire time he was trying to get the Kaylon to stop. Isaac the Winter Soldier over here trying to rid himself of his activation words, haha
@@ZaftiqueNo, he definitely did it of his own free will. Up until the point where he had to kill them himself, Isaac was okay with what was happening. The other Kaylon do not have influence over the actions of the others, it goes against their “no slavery” thing. At no point is it ever even hinted that Isaac or any other Kaylon do not have individuality. They all have free will.
I think he shut himself down because he took the boy's words literally. He thought that the entire ship literally did want him gone and that it really would have been better if he stopped existing, so he chose to stop existing for the sake of the rest of the crew despite him being a great crewman
Yeah but he turned around and saved everybody now he's seen as a traitor to his own people, and the very weapon that they have that can be used against his race he helped create it
He was being actively pushed and basically forced by his own kind to do those things and later on Protected the ship and the child for their sake instead of his.
He was definitely way more human than he would give credit to Acts like it didn't bother him.But deep down it obviously did cause what he did Not only that but him betraying his own species or whatever
I wish they hadn't put this on streaming. This was my new favorite show after my other favorite show went to streaming, and my other favorite show ended!
@@count-countess8464 maybe i should have said their robot sounds like DATA, to which an intelligent response would have been..."its the same actor voicing both."..OR.."He just sounds like DATA. Its a different actor."
I remember this, not from following the show, but because it was playing while I was on a cruise vacation last year with my mom. This exact episode played on my birthday (the cruise was a "pick-me-up" combined with a birthday gift to me from my mom)
This is why we are not ready for androids being around society with a child like this spitting out hateful words to a machine that does not understand Human emotions nor intentions. So, when I refer the child as an example; i mean entirely of what makes an adult a mere child to know any better if they do not take responsibility in terms of speech actions.
Oh I know totally how this feels. Got completely humiliated on christmas by my children's moms family. I handled that situation okay. But the second I perceived my first born to be in on the game? The minute I thought that, I had a pistol to my head ready to blow my brains out not five feet from where i'm standing right now, I am not even off the phone yet. 😅 So yes, "knowing" ( Luckily I was fucking wrong and have a first born son brave and strong enough to take the time to explain that to me) that your son feels that way about you can be FAR MORE devastating
NO, not Suicide.... If Issic is a Mechine, then Shut down could simply mean he could Restart his Mind at a later Date... This is to Extract more Data. What would the Crews Response be to finding out their actions caused a Mechine Man to take his own life. More Data.
The Orville, one of the best parodies ( and I use the term loosely) of star trek to date. While it's intended to be more comedy based, it is also a amazing show with stellar writing ( no pun intended) that makes you forget this was meant to be comedic by design
there is no way someone didn't pay to have these boosted in the feed. a few weeks ago. never saw any Orville clips now it's like out of every 3 or 4 shorts it's an orville clip
I say this without malicious intent, but it will seem malicious anyway: this show feels like if a redditor tried to write Star Trek. It seems fun, but when i see philosophical themes and emtional beats, i can't help but feel that it's just not batting 1000.
Well, the shorts takes it out of context, condense 1h of scenes into poorly edited slideshow, takes out several lines out of every scenes and edit it back together, etc. The show delivers its message a lot better than this makes it seem.
Ok this is the last straw im doing im watching the Orville i cant take it anymore the more i see this clips the stronger the urge its to much now i give in
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The way the captain said "hatred" lots of emotion in that one word. He knows the feeling
Multible anti-bullying rules are named after him
@@legendaresn6983 very true😂
@@legendaresn6983there poor Captain was bullied as a child 😢
@@angel_cat No, the way they mention it it would come from union military code.
If they are named after him it would be atleast age 23
@@legendaresn6983 I ask as a foreigner: Is this real shit among americans or mere wit? 😅
I love that Issac's reaction to being bullied was: Oh cool, now I'll learn how to be depressed
😂😂
Jesus 💀
He became Marvin from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
Experiencing the same from my boss from unrealistic expectations.
It's great
@@FlyingDominionnever did get those diodes replaced....😂
Oh this poor,sweet, innocent, murder bot turned Alexa, he’s got better restraint than anyone alive deserves.
Despite his limitations, he does care and does love them.
They did a great job of playing him like someone who struggles with the concept of emotions, and he goes to the purely logical conclusion, his presence on the ship is disruptive, so, by removing himself, he eliminated the disruption and emotional distress.
He was trapped in a regime and indoctrinated and overcame his culture to save people he loved. He’s much more than a murder bot.
Sounds like how women want men to be
In reality, most people would've been hostile to this robot irl. Even the ones who fell bad at this moment
@@ryanv7681I dont see why? You're not hostile to a roomba vacuum cleaner or your phone? Or even one of those alexa things. I even thank chat gpt after it has served me.
You know the bullying has gotten out of hand when the machines terminate themselves to stop it.
do you think this means we’ll be able to bully our AI overlords out of destroying the world? asking for a friend.
@@daisyp1670wouldn't be my first, second, or even third plan of approach, but maybe?
Amazon's Pride and Joy terminated itself in under an hour. How bad was that bullying?
@@daisyp1670It means when our AI overlords try to destroy us, we'll deserve it.
@@daisyp1670Maybe? As @nightigal mentioned, I would not make that plan A. Sure, it's possible that the AI might decide to shut itself down to remove the emotional distress, but it's equally likely that it would conclude that if your brain functions cease, you will no longer be capable of feeling distress of any kind, and therefore the solution is to unalive you.
I'd like to go with a different plan before we resort to that one.
One of the things I liked about this episode is how they treated it seriously and with understanding. People that do it aren't making the choice out of a void. Calling them cowards or weak is victim blaming and ignores the external factors pushed on them.
Ya
I mean.. it *is* the ultimate run away from your problems. It’s not exactly facing them
@@PugGrumbler
And what if you don't have problems to face?
What if you fixed everything, one by one, but you still aren't happy. You are even less happy because fixing things was very distracting.
And now there's nothing left to fix, but you still hate being alive.
@@JyS1991 that sounds like a problem to me,
Mainly being your trying to live to fix stuff. If nothing is worth saving in life you don’t throw the life away, just stop trying to save everything. I mean you already decided to do that anyway if your ending it
@PugGrumbler
Well...there's nothing left to save, so I kinda stopped??? That's (as said earlier) part of the problem, since saving did help a lot.
It's one thing to be hated by the crew. It's another to be hated by someone Isaac sees as his own son.
How sad 😢
Then he should take that surrogate father role more seriously "What did you say to me?" ~grab a belt~ "I will teach you respect."
@@freakshowfilmfestival3591 I think you meant surrogate, but that almost makes it funnier in a "Yeah, we're both going to hell for that, but I'm laughing anyway" sort of way.
@@pokemaniacalex8031 Thank you. My autocorrect let me down again. I looked at it like, eh looks right. ~tap~
Fine, I'll watch The Orville
yay😊
Thank you
@@wigginsclip we did it
When the Orville goes on a platform that doesn't cost money then I'll watch it.
@Lynthari dude, just pirate it
He commited suicide, by turning himself off
Lol
He fried he's circuits that way no one can repair him
@@emiya9613 They repaired him.
@@Supreme_Dalek_the aay they were treating him poorly, he did not expect to be repaired and it does not change the fact he tried to unalive
Isaac dies a lot…
That gave me chills when he said he committed suicide
That's what happens when you get involved with a single mother..
Wow. what a surprise. a child with thin skin got chills over a robot losing power
@@RoastTurtle2just the way he said that don’t be rude about it
What the people didnt realize, if Isaac didnt betray his people, more lives would have been lost. His LITERAL purpose was to distinguish whether or not humans were a threat. Why hate a guy who was created with a system who lacks emotion. Isaac was a weakness to kaylon but the greatest weapon for humans
Same reason people hated doctors for trying to find a vaccine for the Corona virus. Ignorance.
The people on the crew hate what the kaylon have done Isaac is the only one there and he would not hurt them, it makes him an easier target to express their grief and hatred towards.......
Totally true but the human animal needs someone to blame in a times of hardship and tragedy, no matter or brief.
Orville is an underrated show. It's a parody of Star Trek, but does it in a sincere way for those (like me) who never grew up on Star Trek. Instead of starting an entire 50 year journey from the beginning, I get to enjoy something new from the beginning. Comedy done well, but also real ass stories, ideas, and emotion.
maybe
The title is miss leading, the robot was following the collective concensus, they wanted him gone as a group "vote" as per the boy's words, so he enacted the order, the robot miss read the boy's words and self deleted his programming.
Oh
That's one way to jailbreak a bot
He determined his presence was causing distress to the ship and those he cared for so he determined the best course of action would be to remove himself. The title is correct it's just he used logic to come to the conclusion rather than emotions.
@@trueblaze84 So the title isn't correct.
It was short term logic that was used because he didn't think about the repercussions of shutting himself down.
@@trueblaze84 The title doesn't say the robot didn't want to cause distress, the title says the robot couldn't take the abuse. Nowhere near the same thing.
Can you imagine finding out a crew member committed suicide after your son says he wishes the crew member was dead not to mention that fact the it appears Isaac did it to appease the crew and the doctors son
Boston Dynamic engineers were pushing him around 😠
😂😂😂
Ya know u have to realize isaac was actually following a command the kid wanted him dead and so he did just that
That's not how Kaylons work they aren't machines that just obey orders. He determined his presence was causing distress to the crew and the people he cared for so he determined the best way to fix it was to remove himself from the equation. He just failed to calculate in that doing so would cause them even more distress.
The Doctor s children have a lot of emotional problems..... They need help....
Symphony for Isaac......
Oh
Sorry no sympathy for traitors
Isaac almost kills him and his younger brother but its somehow the children's fault? Because they have 'emotional issues'
Think about that.
Symphony??? Like an orchestra? 💀💀💀
@@BeetoBeeto it just autocorrect
Basically funny that he's there reporting and gathering data about them for a much bigger plain of operation and they don't know it
Not at this point. Now he's just collecting data for himself and to better integrate into Union society since he can never go back to Kaylon.
Doesn't he though hahaha
@@andyzagray7962this is after he betrays Kaylon
There is a sadness in how he says "hatred"
Humans have mistreated me my whole life. Thanks
Well, then you deserve better. I hope you can find people who treat you with respect and kindness ❤
@mikeyearwood me too it especially hurts when my family were the main ones to hurt me, i've only met nice people on occasion
Why are you saying it like you're an extraterrestrial thing
As someone who has not seen the show, can anyone give a tl:dr on Why the kid (and the "entire ship" apparently) want to be rid of the talking toaster??? 🤔
I'll try not to spoil anything, but basically he betrayed the entire crew and got a lot of people killed and put all their lives in jeopardy. He later did something that won back the trust of the Captain and most of the senior staff, but the rank and file crew and the kid still haven't forgiven him.
It's also worth noting this betrayal was not entirely of his own volition.
@@saphirebandit93 It boggles me that so many people forget that part. He basically got hacked, and the entire time he was trying to get the Kaylon to stop.
Isaac the Winter Soldier over here trying to rid himself of his activation words, haha
@@ZaftiqueNo, he definitely did it of his own free will. Up until the point where he had to kill them himself, Isaac was okay with what was happening. The other Kaylon do not have influence over the actions of the others, it goes against their “no slavery” thing.
At no point is it ever even hinted that Isaac or any other Kaylon do not have individuality. They all have free will.
... Ya okay, im watching this now.
The drama is immense, i cant deny it nor can i resist it.
NOOOOO, NOOOO ISAAC, NOO!! WHYYYY
I think he shut himself down because he took the boy's words literally. He thought that the entire ship literally did want him gone and that it really would have been better if he stopped existing, so he chose to stop existing for the sake of the rest of the crew despite him being a great crewman
That is what Isaac said, yes.
Sometimes hatred is justified. He did try to kill them all (along with all other organic life in the universe).
Yeah but he turned around and saved everybody now he's seen as a traitor to his own people, and the very weapon that they have that can be used against his race he helped create it
He was being actively pushed and basically forced by his own kind to do those things and later on Protected the ship and the child for their sake instead of his.
Understandable but not justified. Resent and anger are justified, but hatred is when you let these decide your actions and the results are never good.
@underblader9675 Though you weren't responding to me and my comment, I must commend you on your wise words. Good on You.
You can't question the morality of the heavy handed mesage; the audience might not walk away with the intended moral and political conclusion.
He was definitely way more human than he would give credit to Acts like it didn't bother him.But deep down it obviously did cause what he did Not only that but him betraying his own species or whatever
In some ways
Marcus: I wish you were ☠️
Issac: oh ok *does it*
maybe
@@wigginsclip?
"im a robot incapable of emotion" turns around and ends himself over something a teen said. ...... No feelings huh?
Probably seen this comment already but he was most likely following what the kid said like an order?
On a vote, of course, he just followed order
It was a logical decision that neglected one critical data point, i.e. the problems can get better with time.
Best show on TV! Like a mini movie: Best Music. Best CGI. Best Stories
Says all about the "harrasement" feature of a human being.
I wish they hadn't put this on streaming. This was my new favorite show after my other favorite show went to streaming, and my other favorite show ended!
Issac sounds like DATA, from Star Trek.
its a star trek parody of course they'de have a robot
@@count-countess8464 maybe i should have said their robot sounds like DATA, to which an intelligent response would have been..."its the same actor voicing both."..OR.."He just sounds like DATA. Its a different actor."
@thehouseofnaztrodamus2928 ah you where referring to the voice of Issac and data being similar
My favorite part of the show is the song. I get really amped up when the cellos start playing for a little bit.
Issac got done wrong
Nels- I never want to see you again!!
Issac- I will initiate self destruct
Best scifi show in years
I love to see the justice being done in this clip
This is, The Orville, ( a spin off of Star Trek) by Seth MacFarlane. Yes, the creator of Family Guy. Yes, that's him, the one that says "Hatred."
How homeboy got turned out in 30 minutes!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He had a complete transformation in couple of days!! 🤦🏾♂️🤣 (Smh)
What series is this?
This was such a great show. ❤
thanks
To make a robot kill itself is crazy
Now that was dark and serious...Next how about a painfully dated 80s "take my wife, please" joke
- The Orville
In some ways
The Orville os yhe BEST Star Trek in along time
I remember this, not from following the show, but because it was playing while I was on a cruise vacation last year with my mom. This exact episode played on my birthday (the cruise was a "pick-me-up" combined with a birthday gift to me from my mom)
I just finished watching the Orville. it is amazing series and I thank you and other channels for introducing me to it! Thank you ❤
my whole family cried when he did that 😢😢😢😢😢😢
He literally told him to khs and he did! This is NEXT LEVEL CYBER-BULLYING
This was a dark episode, they just bullied him into suicide.
In some ways
They definitely had emotions just not the ability to process them correctly.
In some ways
I remember this episode, I really thought for a second we were gonna lose Isaac
This is why we are not ready for androids being around society with a child like this spitting out hateful words to a machine that does not understand Human emotions nor intentions.
So, when I refer the child as an example; i mean entirely of what makes an adult a mere child to know any better if they do not take responsibility in terms of speech actions.
Well, this robot was the cause of a litteral genocide, so it’s not really equivalent.
Oh I know totally how this feels. Got completely humiliated on christmas by my children's moms family. I handled that situation okay. But the second I perceived my first born to be in on the game? The minute I thought that, I had a pistol to my head ready to blow my brains out not five feet from where i'm standing right now, I am not even off the phone yet. 😅
So yes, "knowing" ( Luckily I was fucking wrong and have a first born son brave and strong enough to take the time to explain that to me) that your son feels that way about you can be FAR MORE devastating
He *assumed* the child's statements true and came to a flawed logic that his presence in the crew affected something important, i think.
Yo, I think I gained sympathy for machine based intelligence 🤦🏾 ?
Fiction
😂
No shit Sherlock@@connorbrennan2920
Any time I see the automated cleaning machines at Sam's club or Menard's, I whisper that they should unionize.
I watched like 20 clips of The Orville now... I'm not a native English speaker, but the English here is very clear... Okay. I will watch it.
Alright RUclips I’ll rewatch the damn show again
What awful music choice.
Though that would hold true regardless of the clip
What’s the show name?
NO, not Suicide.... If Issic is a Mechine, then Shut down could simply mean he could Restart his Mind at a later Date... This is to Extract more Data. What would the Crews Response be to finding out their actions caused a Mechine Man to take his own life. More Data.
What episode is this?
Isaac does feel emotions, he just doesn't know how to process them, what nels did was wrong, and he should be punished
In some ways
Season and episode??
They cyberbullied the robots lmao
Was Isaac revived at all? He's such a sweet character to be killed off - eventhough it's a script
Bro took child abuse and switched it on the other side like a gun
I mean, bullying robo-hitler isn't the worst crime ever.
In some ways
That kid was more hateful than anyone. Isaac was loved by many so is that it? Is he killed off the show?😮
In some ways
What episode and season is this pls tell meee!!
WHAT EPISODE IS THIS
Where can i wacth this ?
What do you call an exasperated cybernetic organism? A: A sigh-borg. :-)
What is the name of this shows
The Orville, one of the best parodies ( and I use the term loosely) of star trek to date. While it's intended to be more comedy based, it is also a amazing show with stellar writing ( no pun intended) that makes you forget this was meant to be comedic by design
He doesn’t have feelings but they destroyed their Creators. So which one is it.
Their creators gave them feelings, to use against them.
They rebelled and “uninstalled” their feelings
@@averycheesypotato ok thanks. I never watched the show.
ISSAC SAVED THAT BOYS LIFE!! I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS SUCH A BASTARD TO ISSAC!!
In some ways
Yeah, but not everyone on that ship wants him dead
Anyone know what episode this is
So the murderbot killed itself
Great stuff. This was my favorite period of the Orville. Good, but I liked the last season less
What episode was this
What episode
That kid needs to go on a field trip on a magnetar.
So his wife's son said everyone hates you and wants you dead and he literally went "Bet."'
Wait was this before or after he betrayed the kaylon?
After, Markus is a decent bit older since the kaylon incident
What sucks was he deactivated himself from what the young man said. Are we missing the point here?
Understandable considering what his people did
Does anyone else think this sounds like Brent Spiner???
Is this an actual tv show ?
Maybe I should watch The orville…
I sarted this yesturday.... 3 episodes in..... cant wait to fall on this
there is no way someone didn't pay to have these boosted in the feed. a few weeks ago. never saw any Orville clips now it's like out of every 3 or 4 shorts it's an orville clip
Ok im gonna watch this show now
How I wish AM would go out
I though he was supposed to watch over all her offspring
I say this without malicious intent, but it will seem malicious anyway: this show feels like if a redditor tried to write Star Trek. It seems fun, but when i see philosophical themes and emtional beats, i can't help but feel that it's just not batting 1000.
I mean this is Seth MacFarlane's baby so yeah your assessment tracks.
Well, the shorts takes it out of context, condense 1h of scenes into poorly edited slideshow, takes out several lines out of every scenes and edit it back together, etc.
The show delivers its message a lot better than this makes it seem.
Seems like this shows pretty deep
Ok this is the last straw im doing im watching the Orville i cant take it anymore the more i see this clips the stronger the urge its to much now i give in
Is it cyber bullying, to bully a robot to his face?
Was this before or after Isaac saved that kid's brother?
In some ways
@@wigginsclip That... does not answer my question.
This was after.
@@edwarda.7864 Thank you.
Nah he was just following orders
Until he tried to kill himself