PARADOX Pokémon and the PROBLEM with the TIMELINE of Paldea
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- In this video, I try to piece together the entire Timeline of Scarlet and Violet to then discuss whether or not they're really a result of time travel, imagination... or something else.
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Music from Scarlet and Violet: Naranja Academy Theme, Cave Theme, Inlet Grotto Theme, Cassiopeia Theme and Area Zero Theme.
please remember that even with pokedex entries for paradox pokemon contradicting what is said in the game the entries are from an occult magazine not scientist/researchers. This explains the contradictions. Also with the time machine i believe that even though it does pull pokemon from the past/future it could also be from different timelines and or dimensions. The definition of paradox is a self contradictory statement or proposition that could be true if investigated, with that in mind it could be possible that not only does the time machine pull pokemon from different time periods but time lines or dimensions. This could also explain the inconsistency with both the sketches and information around the paradox pokemon
We do know there is basically a mutiverse, a example being the delta episode of ORAS.
@@AlexMartinez-gv7hy Or maybe... Idk, the entire premise of Sun and Moon and the Ultra games lol. They literally take you to different dimensions, with crazy and strange Pokemon inhabiting them, as well as Necrozma being a literal god for the Ultra City universe
@varux4983 No cap, very true. I haven't replayed them, so time to play again.
That's what I've been thinking too. The time machine's more like a dimensional portal, linking up to a more primal timeline and a more futuristic timeline. I could even see a valid reason for why Heath got Iron Tread's feet wrong. He just never saw what its feet looked like because it was standing in like a bush or patch of tall grass high enough to obscure its legs when he first saw it, so it's more him just guessing what the legs looked like based on Steel types he'd likely seen before. And honestly, the sketches of the fused Beasts and Swordsmen would probably be a big counter to the whole imagination thing anyways, because if that was true then why are we getting those trios separate instead of in that imagined fused form?
This is exactly how I’ve always seen paradox Pokémon. They aren’t direct ancestors/descendants, but variants from alternate timelines (prehistoric & futuristic) pulled through by the professors machine.
This is such a great video. The fact you explain all the different outcomes and how all of these different scenarios would play out and lead to completely different things. And the fact you actually stay true to the timeline the game sets up unlike a lot of the theory’s. Very well done. Really hope lots of people see this video. Even if they don’t fully believe it at least help them better understand the cool story these games are trying to tell.
Thank you so much! I try going through every "mystery" in a very analytic way to rule out contradictions, and I'm glad people like the format and the theory! Even if I turn out to be wrong in the end, I think it's part of the fun to engage with the community with speculation. I really appreciate the words, thank you. :D
lost me at "cool story"
There aren’t many good Pokémon theories out that, and I’m super happy to find this. Please make more!
I think too many people forget what paradox even means - it's literally something that makes no sense.
Edit: Subscribed btw. Hope you do more videos along this line in the future. In-depth lore stuff is always interesting.
Dang, I love this sort of transformative Pokemon content that is neither fakemon nor endless battling! Earned yourself a subscriber!
i found the teal mask video in my recommended and HOLY SHIT it was so well made i was shock when i realized you less than 100k subs and it was basically your first video. keep up the great work.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words!
Agreed!
My theory… a quick recap. Heath made it all up. He found nothing unique in Area Zero. He created all the Paradox Pokémon from imagination in his book for clout. (Hence occult magazines) Turo/Sada believe Heath and make it their life to bring these Pokémon to the present. They don’t create a time matching but instead a machine that harnesses Terastral (Terapagos) energy which creates these Pokémon from the image of what Turo/Sada perceive them to be based on Heath’s drawings. (Hence the minor differences). There are missing pages of the book and another area of Area Zero with those pages and other Pokémon. I have a theory on the fusion of the beasts/heroes but it’s way more in-depth and feel we’ll get more in then in the DLC.
He Did It For Clout ?? 😂
@melvondrewhite2674
It's probably just a regular donphan that Heather missed saw
Yes and if you think about it, that’s how the swords of justice in violet or the legendary beasts trio in scarlet came to being. He didn’t see them, he just imagined them and how they would have looked like into a merged form. Thus it was indeed sada or Turo who found interest in these and brought them to life.
Parallel dimensions and the fact that holes to those dimensions can happen both at random and at the behest of specific Pokémon has been a thing since Gen 7.
So, it's possible that they just come from other worlds that are similar enough to produce an alternate version of specific Pokémon but different enough that they adapted to the world differently and hence look off.
this theory is feeding my own headcanon that each major legendary has a lesser legendary counterpart. dialga has celebi, palkia has hoopa, etc. the whole 'ideals made truth' theory here makes me think terapagos was the lesser counterpart to the original dragon that eventually split into reshiram, zekrom, and kyurem.
Arceus
@@sonic23233arceus is the lesser legendary to bidoof (he was so powerful he had to split himself into like a bajillion parts)
This Gen is full of things that seem to point in the direction of Gen5, which is the main reason as to why I'm on the "Paradox are imaginary" boat. (Othe than the fact timetravel makes no sense, like the video explains)
Mainly because Gen5 was the one with the focus on "Dreams" and literally making real things that you got by dreaming (the Dream World).
If they keep going in order, then Gen5 should in theory be the next in both the Remake line (follwing BDSP) and Legends (LA is Gen4's past). I feel like they are planting the seeds for whatever they are planing with Unova next.
They might be planning something with Gen2 too, given the Paradox Beasts, which funnily enough, is the Gen with Ho-oh and Lugia. Both of them were designed to be kind of a "Zekrom and Reshiram Lite version", meant to represent mutiple contraries (yin yang).
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im thinking giratina is the "lesser" counterpart of arceus due to the whole distortion world anti-matter thing
I'll never forgive GameFreak.
They left everything so vague and answered it in the most painfully obvious way. No sh(i)t time travel in the time travel machine? What a waste of time.
And what a waste of oxygen was Edgy Kieran. He and Terapagos.
Oooh look Terapagos broke out of a Masterball! Proceeds to be caught in a Pokéball.
Terapagos the Disk Pokémon just EXISTS and never explain it's origin or why is special. It's just an old Pokémon. Okay what does that have to do with ANYTHING??
How you relate "crystals change types" to fμcking TIME TRAVEL??
Eternatus had the most basic power and background and yet was way more consistent _"makes things big specially Pokémon"_
"Didn't we destroy the time machine?"
Another random professor who also made a time machine: "i hope i'm not too late. to set my demons straight. i know i made you wait. but how much can you, Take?"
Why does this account and video not have more subscribers and views? It definitely deserves it.
The biggest headache by far is the existence of Walking Wake, Raging Bolt and whatever the Paradox Entei will be called. Why? Because there should be no way for them to exist, regardless if you believe in "imagination theory" or actual time travel.
According to lore that's been established for over _20 years,_ those Pokémon didn't even exist until 150 years ago when Ecruteak City's Brass Tower burned down. For anyone keeping track, this would make the sketch in the Scarlet Book _older_ than the actual Pokémon that inspired it. Granted, the Legendary Beasts became what they are today because Ho-Oh revived them after they died in the fire, so it's _technically possible_ that they were already some kind of legendary Pokémon that descended from their Paradox counterparts, but like... no. Based on circumstantial evidence they were likely a regular Vaporeon, Jolteon and Flareon respectively, and even if they were some other 'mons, you'd have to make so many leaps in logic to connect them to their Paradox counterparts that you might as well enter the Olympics.
I've also been thinking this exact same thing. No theory I've seen so far even touches the lore from Johto. With this being said, I've never really been into the idea that the beasts were a vaporeon, jolteon, and flareon mostly because of how the shadows looked in Pokemon Generations episode 6. I also don't think there would be that many leaps in logic to be taken, unless I'm wrong somewhere. It could be that the paradox beasts were sent to the 200 years ago point in time and escaped the region only to wound up at the Brass Tower to be turned into what they are now. The fact that they are called imagined pokemon makes me think that they didn't look as paradox beasts look now and were sketched that way. So in theory there would be the original beasts, paradox beasts, and resurrected beasts... after typing all of it out i might enter the olympics XD
@@soyunchidobato The main reason I completely reject the idea that the Beasts were some sort of Legendaries even before being resurrected is because of how the story is told. There is zero significance being placed on their original forms, to the point where we know literally nothing about them. I.e., there's nothing worth mentioning before they were resurrected by Ho-Oh.
According to the lore that's been established for over 20 years, the Legendary Beast aren't unique, only this specific trio is special because of the connection to Ho-oh and the burned tower.
Entei is literally stated to have a new individual of the species be born everytime a new volcano is formed ffs. Even in the anime they have shown multiples, since they appeared in both their Shiny and Non-Shiny forms.
So:
A)They have multiple members across the globe that just spawn naturally (either form on their own or breed)
B)Ho-oh have been repeating this same little experiment multiple times and the trio from the Burned Tower just happen to be his favorite (probably because they are the closest to its house)
Either way they aren't unique, so even if Paradox mons end up being true timetravel, it wouldn't contradict Gen2
Also they could be just the ancestors of the mon that died in the fire (no, they weren't eeveelutions, that's just a fantheory that got out of control. Kindda like the "Ditto is Mew clone" lol)
@@jvbon646 I do believe the ditto is a mew clone is a Canon theory tho, at least it became true
Ditto not appearing in Pokemon legends Arceus and being referred as an experiment in the detective Pikachu movie confirms it to me
@@Scoitol
It isn't Canon, it was never even implied or slightly suggested to be Canon.
Like half of the "evidence" is superficial vague details that aren't unique to Ditto, and the other half is just confirmation bias that gets disproven when you look at the theory from an outside unbiased perspective.
My favorite quote regarding the theory comes from "Did You Know Gaming" video debunking it, where they lay all the proof, explained how it is circustancial at best, and then said that "if anything the actual clone was Shellder" (iirc, its been some time) since it had actually more in simlar with Mew than what Ditto had xD
The only theory that truly makes sense is the one by The Ruin Maniac, that claims that Ditto is an alien and the lab actually used them to try and clone Mew due to their shapeshifting and DNA altering abilities. It actually have more supporting evidence than the "failed clone" theory, and it explains how they are in more places than just near the lab.
As for Detective Pikachu, yeah, they call it an experiment because that's what it was, 1 of the many Pokemon they had experimented with. Same as all the giant Torterras.
The strongest video I’ve seen on this. Finally someone who isn’t all “well they’re fake because the only ever Entei Raikou and Suicune were made by Ho-Oh”, no, one of each was made by Ho-Oh. The rest were all born so it figures they have ancestors, as backed by their pokedex entries, as well as the existence of trainers that have had enteis, raikous, and suicunes, so good on you for not even bringjng it up.
There is, however, one hole in the conclusion: the AI professor’s end. It has to be a physical place, since their physical matter goes in there (even if we assume the machine can create living matter, that doesn’t mean it can store it), and since presence is what keeps the paradise protection protocol going the place has to be outside Area Zero, so even if it was like, a pokemon box, if the professor is “stored” in the machine I don’t believe the paradise protection protocol would have shut down with the professor *inside* it.
I believe this supports the idea that they actually are time machines.
Now, as for the paradox pokemon being gone from area zero, there is one other possibility. Only paradox donphan is seen in the book. It could be, that the experiment was only ever messed up once and one paradox pokemon was sent back. Eventually it escaped and lived in relative peace outside, hidden in a desolate area, explaining why it was never spotted by Turo or Sada.
My evidence for this, is that we only ever find one paradox pokemon outside Area Zero… and it’s a paradox donphan, living out in the literal desert. away from all prying eyes. We also don’t know when it consumed the herba mystica, making it harder to track. Perhaps it’s the same one that spent, who knows, a hundred years trying to roll up and out of the crater and still had time to settle in for a hundred years before Turo and Sada made their way down.
Also side-note but I’d hesitate to call any online tera raid event canon. We know that in the upcoming DLC we’ll get to see new things related to Area Zero, I imagine most likely they will include “Oh by the way we brought these over too” in some new part of Area Zero.
In gen 5, we could already pull pokemon out of the dream world.
Professor Juniper concluded a pokemon like Klink simply did not exist over a century ago. It's body seems based on human inventions. In an event in gen 4, Arceus uses the Unown to make either Palkia, Dialga and Giratina. In the 3th movie, the Unown bring a little girl's imagination to life (is Arceus the key to make this semi-reality, reality). There must be several forces of creation in the world of pokemon.
Until I saw your channel I never realised that the yellow on chandelure is it's eyes. Great video btw!
Great job, I love all mini jokes explanation of how paradox and area zero works I hope you will reach more subs in the future
My personal theory is that the walls in the Time Machine are made from a natural forming cave made out of the terrastilizing crystals and that maybe during the 200 year old expedition it somehow activated independent of human input and brought these imaginary Pokémon to life (maybe a legendary did it?) and all that sauda or Turo did was find a way to consistently activate that effect that the cave had naturally THINKING it was time travel based on the designs from the book
Or an idea I had is that the Terestal energy is being used to bring these pokemon from the past and a possible future. As this isn't the first time machine in Pokemon. What has me worried is the fact the paradox is occuring in more places outside of Area Zero and Paldea. Opelucid city in Black and White had a similar experiment and I think both Sada and Turo's version and the one in Black and White are linked. Past Paradox pokemon are of a sweet spot of an era we haven't seen in fossil Pokemon and future ones are unnerving in how bleak they are for a future.
Great analysis video! I love the editing! Your citations are very good, too. Thanks for uploading!
You're not alone. My dad also told me that Tinky Winky would stab me.
....The worst part is that Tinky Winky is my dad :(
I'm praying for your survival, fellow Tinky Winky victim. :(
Gen 9's story is the first time I've felt that Game Freak have the opportunity to do something immensely cool with a mainline game's story if they'll just follow through on it. We get all sorts of earth-shattering stories and reveals in the side media (PMD, anybody?) but historically the main games have always played things really safe story-wise. We've started getting some veeeery small baby steps in recent games - gen 7 in particular stepped outside the mould with straight up alternate dimensions and aliens - but if they actually deliver on everything gen 9's plot hints at it will be truly incredible. I so badly hope they do.
Great vid and editing. Commenting to help that algorithm
As long as you put this much effort in whatever you do you will be successful keep working and don’t listen to the haters can’t wait to see you grow
every decent time travel theory I've seen so far has disregarded that the GB timeline had this stuff figured out in the 90s on an actual functioning scale, in addition to celebi... Not that it's super relevant or anything, I guess.
But I do like how your take on this. I like your take on this a lot, actually.
My personal take is simply that paradox mons are being plucked straight out of in-universe fiction (or, to phrase things another way, they require external stimuli to manifest. I have zero doubts that something as mundane as alternate color shiny pokemon, or perhaps more pokemon in line with the design of spiky-eared pichu could just as easily be made manifest if the power that makes the time machine tick were utilized differently), and are being made real by whatever terapagos' powers do to make them real (from there they are on their own, though). Even the merged legendary sketches could have been real, but those pokemon are most certainly dead by now.
edit: to put things yet another way, for those that have stuck with the pokemon anime for a long time: I consider paradox pokemon to exist in a very similar way to the crystal pokemon from the third pokemon movie, or perhaps the fake groudon from the jirachi movie, except that they have far more staying power than either example.
Bill's time machine is a really interesting topic very few people have acknowledged, and I agree with you. I find it curious because the mechanics of Bill's time machine is actually quite similar to the time machine we have been presented with in Scarlet and Violet (Poké Balls being used as a way to transport Pokémon through time and space)... The only reason I don't acknowledge it in this theory is because I prefer only mentioning things that appear in the games themselves. Considering alternate universe BS, and possible retcons, I take information in the older games with a little bit of skepticism...
If they manage to tie in something like that, I will be pleasantly surprised though.
Adding a little bit more of fun, out of nowhere speculation I just thought about, isn't the PC system referred to as a kind of "time machine" itself in Sun and Moon by an NPC in Aether Paradise? Of course, if you accessed your PC 100 years in the future, they would still be there... And what if you could access your PC 200 years in the past? Would your Pokémon be there? Or, alternatively, can you hack the PC system to create your own Pokémon?
The "PCs are time machines" theory opens up a lot of crazy alternatives, even of we don't have direct evidence for everything.
I want to write this before I watch this vid but after completing both games I thought it was confirmed or at least heavily suggested in both that the Pokémon are not actually from the past or future and were instead being manufactured by the machine. I’m almost positive in one of the books or pages you find someone is even speculating that the Pokémon are in fact not from any sort of past or future. I think it’s logical to assume that if I’m remembering right, that would also mean the machine is a Pokémon manufacturer and not a Time Machine. What makes me think that is the location of the machine being right in the middle of all the Tera crystals and given that Tera energy alters the physiology of Pokémon to some extent in a normal battle, I think it’s safe to say all that Tera energy would have a massive impact on whatever entity is being made/warped and thus even if it was a Time Machine the Pokémon we get in the end result wouldn’t even be the same from it’s supposed original time because the tera effects would be permanent.
I'm more inclined towards the imagination theory because it makes much more sense tbh, and its more unique than just repeating the same multiverse thing we already saw in ORAS and USUM
Referencing Plato earned you a sub
Great Video! It’s so cool to see all the theories from all over the fan base! I think the idea that Terapagos and Tera crystals have affected the base versions of Pokémon to the point they are different Pokémon and got turned into paradox Pokémon and then sent back in time 200 years ago and that’s how they become time Pokémon is a cool idea. Another theory that exist combines both ideas into one, the paradox Pokémon are truly from the past and future but regular versions like a Delibird from the future but then the time machine brings them and the time stream and Terapagos is what changes them to the paradox Pokémon we know. That would combine both theories and work for everyone. I think them actually being time Pokémon kinds ruins a lot of lore since most Pokémon didn’t come from the ancient past.
I love your ideas and anaylisis on this
The imagination theory is so interesting
My first idea playing is that it is time travel and terapagos itself can manipulate time, and the time machine is just manipulating its power just like they doing with tera phenomenon
Great theory overall, with one slight issue, that being that we see the paradox pokemon in the past in the scarlet and violet books, as next to the sketch there is a photograph of each. This may just be an error on game freaks part as I cannot think of a logical way to describe the events to allow this to occur without contradicting Sada and Turo not seeing any paradoxes down in Area Zero, but we do know they, or at least 1, was down there.
Another thing is that in the photo of great tusk, it too seems to be slightly different to the real one like the sketches, with its back thorns, spikes, whatever they are looking more needle like compared to the actual ones fin like design. This could again be explained by it being an error on the devs part but it seems to intentional not to have some meaning behind it.
Ultimately, I do believe the imagination theory is correct as shown through the "an imagined pokemon", however I think the time machine has little to do with it as we know paradox pokemon existed before its existence.
Time travel is weird. I think due to the time machine there's "leaks" to other times on Pokemon appearing where they shouldn't. What makes this weirder is that much like the ultimate weapon both timelines of Sada and Turo's time use is happening simultaneously.
I assume that the designs from the book where fake, but the imagination theory made them true, cause the professor is stated to have been inspired by the book quite heavily and so when the imagination machine or whatever activated it pulled those designs from the professors head as those made up designs where suddenly made true.
@@linkfan6555 The designs may be fake, but my issue is that the photos given match up with that new sketch, so it does not seem likely that the designs from the book are just fake given the photos and are instead physical evidence to support that they did at a time exist.
Even then though, it would be funny for Nintedo to just say Heath just photoshopped the photos.
This is only his 3rd video!
Love the idea that the crystals manifest imagination or inspiration. Like, the machine they built did nothing, but they WANTED it to be a time machine so by adding the crystals it BECAME a time machine. And maybe poor Altaria WANTS to be a fairy type, so add crystals and it terasterlizes into Fairy type. That's not how it worked in my own head cannon, but i really like the theory. In my head, the crystals always had time distorting powers, but maybe it only transports pokemon every few hundred or every few thousand years. Then the machine enhances that natural ability, so many Pokemon can be brought through time. That explains the Pokemon from 200 years ago; it was a rare random transport from the crystals, and it hasnt happened again for the 200 years since.
I cant wait to see more of your theories! this one was so good and maybe kinda sorta made sense to me but time travels confusing and i aint that smart but this was exactly what i was thinking when i was piecing together the weird paradox's but the addition to the legendary dogs and sword trio having paradox forms too completely threw me off until seeing this video and it finally kinda makes sense. anyways again i cant wait for your future videos to come out!
The sketches a really easy to explain, there are plenty real life examples of old explorers who gave descriptions and drawings of animals that they never saw before that don’t match up with what they really look like because they are remaking it from memory which has been proven to be unreliable, there minds would also fill in details with things they are familiar with
This video was better than the game 😂
It's kinda funny seeing the international community catching up while the Italian one (of all people) had the "Area Zero is a wishgranting dimension" theory since the games came out. 😅
Not a jab, just a little amusement.
Finally a channel that we can compare to Cydonia e Chiara
"Catching up"
Bruh, this has been the lead theory since *before* the games came out, back when the person from Spain leaked the entire game and we already the entire Dex amd story lines. The game literally screams "its all fake" as much as it tells you that it is timetravel.
@@jvbon646 just to be peekee no one from Spain actually leaked the game centro leak only reported leaker Ku's leak . Also that theory wasn't really explored or cared in a good way before the Italians and maybe some channels
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Centro only repeats whatever they find that is reliable, they aren't leakers themselves, just a bunch of clowns that fpr some reason every one see as not a joke
The leaks weren't from Ku, he never leaks stuff, just gives hints to what will come based on his info. That's why Centro is always repeating whatever he says.
What I'm talking about is the actual ingame footag, ss, and data that leaked 1 or 2 weeks before the ScVi release. A woman from Spain got the game earlier, and she tried to contact Centro to give them the data (she was one of those that take them seriously). Centro laughted and didn't accept because they believed it was fake (they don't have any way of proving it was real, since they have zero insider knowledge). Then she decided to upload everything independently, which exploded in the fandom, and Centro being the assholes they are then started taking her uploads and posting them as if they were the ones that found the real leaks to take the credit. So in respond she started to started to edit all the ss, that's why the first leaked Dex pics for Pokemon like Roaring Moon had "Fuck Centro" and similar stuff written over them as watermarks. (Which then Centro edited to "We Love Centro" lol, so pathetic)
And as I said, even since that time the "Paradox Pokemon are imaginated" theory was running around and it was the most accepted, that they were just the product of the collective conciousness given physical form. It wasn't until later that all the other options like "they are from alternate timelines" started to show up.
Even Facebook groups were full of people saying that that was the truth, even tho as of know the canon is that they are timetravel and not materialized concepts.
I like this dude, well written, but the music in this video when u're explaining is a bit loud imo , great video otherwise! I can see you grow quickly
Amazing theory but, "theory can only take you so far"
Game Freak transcends logic, the truth is actually that the main character is on a drug trip for the entire game and that's the explanation for the bugs and performance issues too
Also, they're basically doing the Pokémon version of Annihilation... A sort of parasitic crystal modding things they enter in contact with
Remember the world paradox in and of itself explains everything about these Paradox Pokémon
I know this is not important but The Three Musketeers are actually called the swords of Justice
Don’t think any commonly circulated legendary group names are actually official. They might as well be the Three Musketeers
@@xx_squirtle8621 Swords of Justice is official.
Didn't Moxie2D talk about this for like a solid 5 minutes in his first sv nuzlocke?
I mean they are called "paradox pokemon" for something, great video!
My theory was instead based on other things that we've like, already seen, multiple times as well. What if it's a phenomenon that works similarly to Arceus, aka a time rift, or hell multiple time rifts, just sometimes opening and closing in Area Zero, sometimes grabbing a pokemon from the past/future and bringing it to the present, or maybe grabbing pokemon from the present, sending them in the past/future, and those pokemon adapt to the harsh conditions of those times to survive (would explain Brute Bonnet's existence, as well as the legendary paradoxes). Hell maybe they get transformed by the same thing that is causing the rifts to open, and all the time machine does is accessing the power of these rifts and managing to focus it into itself to control it, although in a very specific way.
Great video for detailing the events, what i think happened : creator has exsited for ages but its just a normal creator without the cristals, 3000 yrs ago the creator being an uninhabitited zone, AZ fires the laser at to make sure less lives are lost. As we know for some reason this laser was crazy op, to the fact it spit reality, gave power to etarnutus and such, therefore if the laser did hit this area perhaps the power of it was absorbed by the natural life causing the cristals to form, with the energy to tera. This also lead to area zero being seperated from most of paldea, due to the smoke and the landscaping of the creator perhaps this some has effects that create people to become high so that while breathing it they see stuff, and due to the cristals powers theyre formed into reality.
The so called Time Machine is actually a KÓZYREV MIRROR MACHINE!!! That's my bet. What the machine does, and what Kózyrev mirrors do, is basically the same.
You missed a couple things: the creation of the Paldean Empire 2,000 years ago doesn't mean there was nothing there 3,000 years ago. In fact, if they were capitaled in --Madrid-- area zero, the cannon would have annihilated the heart of their empire. Never mind the possibility that the Ultimate Weapon was powerful enough to affect the area backwards in time somehow to also cause the creation of the crater a million years ago...
There's also the possibility of straight-up parallel world(s) of dreams where paradox pokemon live. We already have plenty of other parallel worlds.
That tinkey winkey joke had me rolling🤣
Maybe the Time Machine caused a ripple in time, that caused peoples 200 years ago to have vision of those paradox pokemon when getting close to where the Time Machine will eventually be.
Well for past Pokemon at least I think are accurate as they come from an era before the fossil Pokemon we know from the older games but not too modern ( much like how our recent ice age has animals that are uncanny to our own). What has me worried is the possible futures that the future paradox Pokemon seem to embody. With past forms they have flaws compared to modern forms that either give it a new niche or make it an evolutionary dead end. Also this isn't the first time machine in Pokemon as Black and White had the time communicator in Opelucid city. Which means we might see paradox Pokemon in Black and White series remakes. As to the contradictions much like Galar's fossils we are getting missing peices mixed with speculation and imagination. About the ones in the past of the events there's definitely something wrong with the machine as those failures could have been those sent to Heath's time causing a bootstrap paradox.
Great! You’re growing too fast indeed! So I’ve got another theory and it IS much more straightforward than these weird paradoxes ( no pun intended ) implied in the games: so it’s basically the no6 you said kinda… What if paradox Pokémon are neither creation of a Time Machine or of one’s imagination? What if the Time Machine was just used as a linker to best study the paradoxes and transport them back in time as an rxperiment? It would be the ideal answer as theee are both multiple paradoxes and terastral mons as well. And how were the paradoxes found if the Time Machine isn’t related to this? I personally think that they always were in area zero and they just didn’t evolve and change their characteristics and remained ancient looking through out the years ( in scarlet ) due to having no connections with the rest of the world like these remote tribes which still exist today or because of the same reason they evolved at their own pace and faster than other mons. They became so smart that by continuing their line they automatically turned their body parts into metal parts, steel and glowing LEDs.
This is a cool theory! This is what I like so much about these games, they've allowed the community to have this level of engagement when it comes to speculation and I love seeing everyone get creative with it.
I think it would be cool to think Pokémon could evolve on their own like that, and I could see it if we take the crystals into account. If humans don't disturb the area, then maybe it's normal that the crystals start using the Pokémon instead...
What if the paradox Pokémon from the future is actually an alternate universe where N did set free all the Pokémon and people used all the metals that the Pokéballs to catch them where used to make the Pokémon instead
My theory is that before heath's exploration, he kind of 'imagined' what the past or future was like, so when entering terapagos' domain it turned these dreams into reality, which is why only the donphans were recorded. Also, it said that they saw it charging through a forest, so you can't get a great sketch from that. The REASON paradox pokemon didn't exist when sada/turo went down there because heath and his imagination were dead. However, after the time machine worked, the paradoxes appeared because that's what that's what sada/turo IMAGINED would happen. The reason more paradox pokemon exist is because they imagined it from iron treads or great tusk. Then the professor dies, and the AI is now kind of 'in control?' of the imagination that creates the paradox pokemon. Then the AI goes time travelling, and either they DID go through time, they died or the past / future THEY imagined was real. Either outcome, now the player who still goes into area 0 is now 'in control' of the imagination terapagos uses. They find the sketch in the scarlet book about paradox suicune or virizion? BOOM, it's now in tera raids. They imagine the rest of the trios? Looks like they exist now!
But hey, that's just a theory, a game-
okay but what if the Ultimate Weapon was so powerful it created a rift in time, causing the crater to have been there all along
I think the "time machine" doesnt actually have anything to do with time. The crystals can change a pokemons type and enhance technology. The type is obviously based on their natural typing but can be changed by feeding them fragments of other type energy. With the orb being something of a energy booster to draw out that energy.
So what I'm getting at is that the crystals can change pokemon who are exposed to their energy. But that machine is completely enveloped in them. So in all likelihood the machine is altering the pokemon pulled through it based on how the machine is set up.
Just wanna point out the fact that foongus, amoonguss, and brute bonnet are not mimicking Pokéballs because in the Pokédex it theorizes that the modern pokeball designer just liked foongus’ pattern
It was specified that it was an unconfirmed theory. I hate when people take this as fact
@@xx_squirtle8621 clearly you didn’t read the comment because I said it theorizes
You highlighted “the fact” that the Pokémon weren’t mimicking the pokeball “because [] the Pokédex [] theorizes.”
You can’t correct someone calling it a fact and then hide behind correction by calling it a theory - you can’t have it both ways.
That could be a theory product of the occult magazines mentioning Brute Bonnet, rather than actual research
@@christopherflorez6592 that’s not what that means, if you actually read it then you would see the implication that it’s a theory that probably is right
This is my take:The machine was made out of tera crystals? Right? Area zero is full of them,right? And there are big ones in there, right? What if a huge pile of tera power randomly got together and send to the present the pokemon? And simply these pokemon escaped the crater,leaving area zero behind which would explain the Occulture magazine,proveing it wrong. Then Sada/Turo see the power of the crystals and make a working time machine?
An Umineko fan I see, clearly a Pokémon of high class
W vid
Now 2 of the 3 legendary dogs have older versions...
How ? They where mean to be born not that long ago after dying on fire
I hope the DLCs will tie up loopholes from the mainline game story bc its just confusing
The video audio is a little quite.
I still believe they are from time travel, it’s always said it’s time travel in the game too. But I really hope in the DLC it’s NOT explained how they are here or weren’t seen because if they’re solved then there, well, no longer a paradox.
Just like unown movie
I mean there is another theoretical explanation for what the Paradox Pokémon are. *Looks at the general story and post-game story of Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon*
I just found the Inlet Grotto, the gift of exploring the map after beating the game☝️I’ll be looting everything and catch and beat every pokemon 🤣
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A PERSON OF CULTURE, I SEE! (Seriously, Umineko is my inspiration for anything and everything, hahah.)
Now we’re getting Pokemon ZA
What if our starting point isn’t the actual point we should consider. Someone from the future could be sending them back or someone from the past could be sending them forward 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
How come you and Wambu both use Chandelure?
I think the reason for them being down there is becuase the time machine's prototype failed and sent them back to the wrong era.
okay but if everything evolves over time then should the past forms for pkmn be worse than present day pkmn?
I mean they are literally called PARADOX Pokémon they aren’t supposed to make sense
are they created by the crystals?
What if: hear me out, they don’t make sense, because they’re paradoxes
Paradox Pokémon are just Ultra Beasts that resemble known Pokémon.
That's my take anyway.
I think paradox Pokémon being imaginary makes the most sense. Otherwise, the timeline of the entire franchise (not just paldea) is off. The most glaring example are the legendary beasts. Ho-oh was supposed to have revived them from unnamed Pokémon about 150 years ago. So how did these ancient versions of them evolve when they didn’t even exist yet?
It's all Terapagos' fault.
Who would win
A Pokemon whose the Type are Super Effective
Or
Iron Clown 🤡
I mean their just “parodox”
A nother probleme is The Legendery Beasts story
I severely doubt it has to do with imagination/dreams. Why would the developers would give a time related classification to a set of pokemon that doesn't have anything to do with time travel?
You also need to remember that real Sada and Turo are like, super geniuses. Something that the dream theory complete ignores. Heck, the professors were the ones that developed the technology to use terastalization in battle. They knew exactly with what they were dealing with. They're the only ones that managed such a feat. So it's far more likely that the professors built the AI versions of themselves, the paradise protocol, created applications for terastalization in pokemon battles and the time machine BECAUSE they were able to understand how terastalization works. They created the entire paradise protocol that rules over their AI versions. Even the AI professors mention this in the game. And it's even implied in the game that director Clavel realized that Sada/Turo succeeded in the creation of a time machine in his dialogues.
To say that it likely "isn't actually a time machine" is honestly jumping a lot of hoops. A time machine in and of itself can explain the paradox pokemon (that are very likely just convergent evolutions of present pokemon taken from their original timelines), so those assumptions aren't factoring that in at all. If the time machine activated again (after AI Sada and Turo left to their desired timelines) and started sending pokemon to the past/future and then retrieved them, boom, it explains how the paradox pokemon ended up in Heath's era.
The reason why you only see the time machine bringing pokemon from one specific era (either the past or the future) is because Sada and Turo became obsessed with the idea of meeting pokemon from the very distant past and from the very distant future respectively. It doesn't mean that the time machine doesn't have the ability to travel to other points in time. It's not limited to just the past or just the future. Such limitation never has been stated at all. It's just the preference of the professors.
Also, the game states that some paradox pokemon were able to escape Area Zero (like great tusks and Iron treads), so it's not impossible for walking wake and iron leaves to just be pokemon that were indeed there before the end of the game. The reason for why you can only catch them after finishing the game is just because it would kinda ruin the experience to find another paradox pokemon in the wild in the middle of the story. It would take the uniqueness out of area zero as the place where you find them.
There's nothing in the game that indicates that these pokemon are the products of imagination, nothing. Futhermore, even if you wanted to claim that walking wake and iron leaves and the two new paradox pokemon are indeed accurate depictions of what was shown in the books, Heath 200 years ago should not be imagining the future pokemon as chrome and computer screens. Those kinds of things didn't exist in his time, and his vision of the future should have been extremely steampunk in concept, as the future to someone in that era would have been something like the industrial revolution. This means that there's even less credence to the imagination theory, because Heath couldn't have had the frame of reference to imagine the future paradoxes as they are actually depicted in the game, if they were derived from the imagination.
If I had to add ANY connection to terapagos to the time machine, that would be just as the source of the energy that allows the terastalize phenomenon and gives energy to the time machine. Similar to necrozma with the z-moves and eternatus with the dynamax/gmax energy. Which in all honestly, seems like a far more realistic posibility and works better with what we actually know so far from the games.
The time machine being exactly that is also the most likely answer when you consider that there are definitely things intentionally designed in the game to be tied to the idea of time. Like Sada and Turo's names coming from the word "Pasada" and "Futuro" (literally past and future), the concept of a time machine being introduced in the game through a vast amount of dialogues, a device used by the AI professors to travel to their desired timelines and the entire aesthetic of the paradox pokemon being very obviously prehistoric and futuristic looking in design. Again, I don't think the designers would be introducing so many time related ideas and calling an entire set of pokemon "paradox pokemon" if the paradox wasn't time related. So it's far more likely to think that it's a boostrap paradox (and the time paradox also includes the existence of the scarlet/violet book).
Not to mention that, as I also said before, a time machine as the cause, (which is an actual concept mentioned directly in the games by many characters) can explain in itself the paradox pokemon and also explain how the paradox pokemon ended up in Heath's era. Basically, it's occam's razor (the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation). And this would include terapagos just being just the source of energy for the time machine created by the professors, similar to what happened with legendaries from previous games.
And as I mentioned before, the dream theory also ignores the fact that Sada and Turo are like, super geniuses. They've already proved to be smart enough to create the technology to use terastalization in battle, the AI professors refers to them as their creators, mentioning them as well as the creators of the paradise protocol and it's even lowkey implied in the game that director Clavel realized that Sada/Turo succeeded in the creation of a time machine in his dialogues.
And as far as I see it, the reason Arven pointed out the paradox is just precisely to point out the paradox. He doesn't have any more information than we, the player, are given. So the assumption that it's to tell us that it likely "isn't actually a time machine" is jumping a lot of hoops here (again Ocam's razor: the simplest explanation is usually the correct one). And once again this also includes terapagos potential involvement.
Then again, I'm only pointing out all of this because I personally don't see how the dream theory could be more plausible given all the evidence pointing out to the idea of a time machine being present in the actual game, like an artifact apparently used by the professors to time travel to their desire timelines, the vast amount of dialogues from different characters mentioning the time machine and the paradox pokemon being called "paradox pokemon" in a game designed with so many time related ideas.
Sorry for the ridiculously long comment. I tend to write a lot sometimes XD. But I really wanted to give my perspective over this topic
So Basically : The Paradox Pokémon Will BOW DOWN To Ultra Necrozma ??! 🤔🙂👏🏽
The idea that Paradox Pokemon are not real, nor that the time machine is what they say is makes a hell of a lot more sense when you look at the deliberate choice of Pokemon bases that were made Paradoxes.
The existence of Walking Wake, Raging Bolt, and the likely 3rd Entei-based mon completely contradict the lore that we've not only seen but experienced for almost 20 years at this point. The legend of the 3 heavily suggests that a Vaporeon, Jolteon, and Flareon were killed (yes, killed) in the a fire at the Tower in Johto. They were given a second chance by Ho-Oh and granted legendary power that brought them to life and transformed them into the beasts. Therefore, there should never be a Pokemon that even resembles Suicune anywhere in the past, even in another timeline. Suicune or Raikou would be completely original to our Pokemon world.
Additionally, Paradox Cobalion and Virizion. These Pokemon shouldnt exist either. The Swords of Justice are dangerous to humankind and wouldnt be replicated in the future. If, like implied, the future mons are artificially constructed, an advanced humanity in the future wouldnt be building Pokemon that always sided against them. Humanity would prioritize a more advanced, controllable Mewtwo, improved Silvally, or others.
Above all else, Roaring Moon is the heaviest supporter of this theory, I believe. Connections between RM and Mega Salamence are well-visible, and even acknowledged in its dex entry. Lorewise, many have forgotten what M.E. truly is. Mega Evolution is the unleashing of hidden traits in a Pokemon's genes that have been lost to time. This means Mega Evolution would be a combination of traits that Salamence have had over time as they evolved (Darwin's evolution). This is extremely painful, which is the reason for the "bond" needed between trainer and mon. This is the equivalent of a human suddenly taking on the features of a Neanderthal within a few seconds. Bones, tissue, and muscle are growing, shifting, appearing, and disappearing instantly. But since it is powerful, the mon that undergoes Mega Evolution is TRUSTING that you can use this power strategically to win. Thus, the Mega Logo is also being a stylized double helix of DNA.
Back to Roaring Moon. Sada, naturally as a professor, is one to theorize. It would be fair to guess she knows the basic ins and outs of Mega Evolution, since it comes from a neighboring region. Looking from Sada's perspective, if an ancient Salamence existed, it would share extremely similar fearures to Mega Salamence if those traits are present yet hidden and incomplete in modern Salamence's DNA.
@@royalgelly8948
The existence of paradox pokemon doesn't contradict the lore at all.
Contrary to what some people think, paradox pokemon are NOT related to the pokemon from current times.
The paradox pokemon are essentially convergent evolutions taken from another point in time (the very distant past or the very distant future) that just happen to look similar to pokemon from current times but have no relation to them.
To further prove this, if you notice, just like the convergent evolutions from current times shown in the games (like wiglett or toedscool), the paradox pokemon are shown with their own pokedex entries separated from the pokemon they resemble (like diglett and tentacool), unlike things like regional forms or regional evolutions in other gens that are usually just added in the same pokedex entry. This is most likely to differenciate them from the pokemon they resemble and show that they're indeed unrelated pokemon despite their similarities and that they just happen to look similar to the pokemon in current times. It's definitely not any coincidence that the concept of convergent evolutions was introduced in the same gen that paradox pokemon did. And since they're not related to the legendary beasts, there's literally no contradiction at all.
As I said before, the paradox part comes from the fact that Sada and Turo invented the time machine but that in itself is a paradox because that only happened because they got obsessed with those creatures thanks to the scarlet/violet book that described the encounter of the first area zero expedition team with them 200 years ago. So, the book has info about those creatures way before Sada and Turo invented the time machine that brought them in the first place. So how is that possible?
Once again, the most likely explanation is that someone with a time machine (most likely AI Sada and AI Turo) kept time traveling to certain points in time (after they left at the end of the game) and made sure that the first expedition that went to area zero could see some paradox pokemon and then retrieved them. This eventually led to the creation of the scarlet/violet book and thus also led to real Sada and Turo getting obsessed with the creatures from the book and eventually, to the creation of the time machine that brought the paradox pokemon to the present in the first place. Starting the cycle once again.
That's why they´re called "paradox pokemon", because due to the fact that the whole timeline is a loop, the moment where the paradox pokemon and the scarlet/violet book first appeared doesn't have a clear point of origin. It's basicaly a boostrap paradox. Not to mention that why would the developers would give a time related classification to a set of pokemon that doesn't have anything to do with time travel?
And when it comes to the people in the pokemon world, the paradox pokemon are meant to be like the "big foots" of the pokemon world.
So the weird names, the primitive designs and the robotic designs make sense since they're supposed to be like cryptids (that are creatures from cryptozoology and ufology mainly known from anecdotal stories and other claims rejected by the scientific community). Even in the game is stated that the guy that wrote the book about the paradox pokemon got ridiculed and lost his reputation after publishing the book about what he experienced and saw during the excursion to area zero.
And since people don't know what those weird pokemon are, they associate them to the pokemon that looks the closest to what they witnessed to describe what they saw.
That's why they all got such weird names and have descriptions with bizarre lore on tabloids like the occulture magazine. Which is quite literally called a dubious magazine in the dex entry for salamance. The supposed connection is just the result of baseless conjecture from rumors that the people in the pokemon world started when they saw a pokemon that resembled mega salamance. Not a scientific fact at all. Again, the paradox pokemon are perceived as cryptids in the pokemon world. Which is why they associate them with the pokemon that most closely resemble what they saw despite not being related at all.
They're unrelated pokemon that just happen to look similar to regular pokemon.
Also, the swords of justice aren't hostile towards humanity at all. They just don't like when humans hurt pokemon because they're their defenders.
@@giboit. Why Does It Matter ? U-Necrozma OWNS ALL The Paradox’s Anyway . 🤣💪🏽
@@giboit. You’re Arguing About NOTHING ..
*SPOILER FOR VID*……… sooo in short…. the crystals are some sort of psychicly reactive marvel symbiote-esque substance that perfects ideas without reguard for consequences? Considering crystals outside of game grow too….. that means at some point they may break outside of area zero and try to do that across the world….. that’s lovecraftian levels right there
It’s called a paradox for a reason I suppose
DLC will maybe get answers
whether the Paradox Pokemon are from an alternate timeline or manifestations of concept, this is easily the best storytelling and plot twist I've ever seen out of Game Freak, and I'm greatly looking forward to what the DLC does with Terapagos
if Game Freak keeps up this standard of quality for their future stories, I think we're looking towards a bright future for the world of Pokemon
None of these Pokémon are future or past. Paradox means alternate reality. Basically they are what ifs of possible different realities. “Past” Pokémon is a reality where the dinosaurs were never killed off and “future” Pokémon are a reality of a post apocalyptic disaster. All these Pokémon are different versions of same time line.
Great video. Really hard to hear though.
1:55 Con-TRAAA-dic-tory, not Contra-DIC-tory???
10:02 wow, real funny of you
you sholud wach that one ed sheeran song
I do genuinely think that the paradox pokemon are "fake" pokemon. I think this because there are contradictions past the occult magazine. The existance of past forms of the legendary beasts is a huge one as, cannonically, the three beasts were created in the fires of the burning tower in jhoto, so they have no business being even remotely near paldea, let alone 200 years or further away from their creation. Furthermore, pokemon are not known to evolve like how animals in real life do over millenia, rather they evolve in a dramatic bombastic instantanious way. Finally, it is extremely suspicious of the future forms to all have the same exact ability. If we assume that evolution as it happens in real life does happen in the pokemon world over millenia, then it makes sense for past forms to all have the same ability as they are closer to their origin point than ever. However, the same should not be true of future pokemon, future pokemon, realistically should have dramatically different abilities from one another that actively further boost them. Finally, the concept design for future pokemon all keep to the same theme, that theme being a metal hide and shiny exterior. The past forms's design all not only make sense to a degree, but they are all also not coherent with one another. Rather, past forms all differ dramatically with the sole theme kept to them is a more wild look. The future forms all look like they were made by a factory of the same brand. My next piece of evidence is the dramatic lack of fossils for the past forms of pokemon. The only fossil we see of non-fossil pokemon in the entire pokemon game franchise is a skeleton of a dragonite in pokemon black and white. Yet we don't have a paradox past form of dragonite in any capacity to show how he might of should of looked, or to completely contradict it. In any capacity, there should have been more scream tail or great tusk fossils through out the history of pokemon. Finally, man-made pokemon, like magnemite/ton/zone. The fact that sandy shocks exists is in itself a paradox, and furthermore would show that you'd need to go into the way past for a sandy shocks due to magnemite having been recorded to exist at minimum 3000 years ago as magnemite are present in AZ's retelling of the war in Kalos. So either Sandy shocks exists in the extremely distant past, or didn't exist at all (furthermore, there would reasonably so be fossils of magnemite/ton if they did exist back then. I genuinely feel that Terapagos is the one who is responsible and is feeding off of the imaginination of man to make these paradox pokemon happen, which furthermore explains why more paradox pokemon are coming out of no where rather than stopping with the stop of the machine.
Time travel is very hard to explain.
Creating a time machine in the present will put a time machine on another timeline. Once you travel in the past/future, you can travel back earlier than the machine was created. So it means, paradox pokemon can be on the Ground Zero earlier than the time machine was created, as it was used before. 😂
Paradox pokemon appear only when the time machine is created. If the time machine was never created in the first place, the paradox pokemon can never set foot on the Ground Zero at any time. So, Any year's description of pokemon was seen on the ground zero is fact as it can be traveled there by the time machine.
For Example, The time machine was created 10 years ago. If Paradox pokemon was seen 20 years ago, it is because the time machine was used to travel to the past/future took the pokemon and traveled back but not on the day the Time Machine was created but earlier.
This also triggers the confusion on technicalities as there should be none paradox pokemon lurking on ground zero earlier than the creation of the Time Machine.
Hope this helps in clearing things.
Except this Demiurge was created by Arceus
The future forms are cyborgs not robots similar to armored mewtwo but the enhancements became permanent part of their physiology cuz if they were robots they’d all be pure electric and/or steel oe dual typed but they don’t they all retain at least one of their original types meaning that it’s lineage/biology is still part of it deep down
either they did it to themselves or humans did it as a way to either act inhumanely or as a way to preserve them
I think they all just overtime just became cyborgs down the line without going extinct maybe endangered or a way to keep them from being endangered
Or just a way to advance evolution in a selfish way
The reason the lore calls them robots is because they don’t know much about them so all the modern day people are doing is assuming
For sandy shocks my guess is that it used to look like a regular Pokémon but adapted to being exposed to some sort of ancient form of metal
Sort of like Pokémon’s version of vibranium and then overtime became sandy shocks and then the magnemite line
The metal could have come from space explaining why magnezone resembles a UFO
They weren’t named by the people of the future and past they were named by the people of present day who don’t know anything about them and just came up with something to describe them
It’s no different than how we name newly discovered fossils
santa is not real :cry:
Violet paradox mons aren't mons. Just robots and honestly ancient forms also follow a them HOWEVER, they make sense unlike these dumb robot creatures
You know cassette’s beast has a world that have creature ms created by imagination and oh look I found two nickels
I hate this hypothesis 13:33 ngl. Not a fact, just a hypothesis.
6:17 Shouldn't the pokeball look like the far older pokemon?
13:07 Pfft, you should look at medieval art. 14:07 Wait, then why are they inaccurate to the picture? 13:04
Man discovers that Pokémon is in fact a fictional series and is NOT real
I wonder if the blueberry academy used to be in the crater and was teleported 🤔
Wambu?
Or maybe.... just maybe, pokemon can't make a decent story, same way they can't make a decent game nowadays?