These Doomed Aircraft are Left to Fly Until They Run Out of Fuel | The Ghost Planes
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2020
- Air traffic control loses radio contact with the Boeing 737 operating Helios Airways Flight 522. Two fighters intercept and investigate the flight and find all but one person on board not moving. Another ghost plane flies off course shortly after takeoff and crashes into a field in South Dakota after an uncontrolled descent. Find out what really happened to these unfortunate flights.
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I will never forget that day. I was on duty as Duty Manager in Athens International Airport and we were waiting the flight from LCA . Our Operations Dept said that there will be a delay upon arrival of the flight but at that time noone was worried about that. As time passed we were informed that 2 F16 were scrambled to find the Helios flight , as the captain didnt respond to calls. Even then, we were not worried .
When the plane started to decent from holding point, we were ordered for a state of full emergency and made all the necessary arrangements. That was the time that we realized how serious the situation was . Unfortunately, after 10 minutes ,I received a phone call from my Station Manager who told me the horrific news. After all these years I still remember this phone call.
The rest of the day was a nightmare and I dont feel very comfortable describing what we had to do.
The next day was even more heart breaking ,as the families of the passengers arrived from Cyprus with a charter flight. Unimaginable pain and sorrow...
It's amazing to think that things like this go on while most of us in the world are completely unaware that it's happening
Exactly. It haunts me.
Everyone in my office was following the Lear Jet flight on the news in real time.
Any plane crash is bad. But watching a plane and its souls flying inexorably toward their unavoidable fate just left us all sick to our stomachs. It was so unspeakably sad.
My heart just breaks for the fear the flight attendant Andreas P. Must have felt as he tried to gain control of the plane. Ouch. God bless him, and all of them.
Another one who also help Andreas.P at the end
She is Andreas.P girl friend, Haris Charalambous
Andres P needs a memorial to honour his bravery. Both incidents are just so incredibly sad. RIP to all the victims.
Julie Balfour 100% yes
Agree to your statement
Agree
Totally true
That’s affirmative
Andreas is a hero, I cannot imagine the fear and sense of isolation he must have felt when he entered the cabin. God bless him for trying😔🙏
Andreas and Haris are hero in this case
Oh my, I can't believe the massively experienced pilot and copilot overlooked such a basic issue 3 times, it shows the checks just being perfunctory. What a totally avoidable tragedy. Imagine how the ground engineer must feel.
Yeah errors all around caused all the deaths. Reprehensible actually
Four times. The fourth was when the ground engineer asked if the switch was set to auto, and instead of checking they responded to a question.
I was thinking, why did they not check altitude and realize it was that alarm? Something doesn't seem right
@@Reaperdeathpunch that was hypoxia in effect the captain couldn't gather his thought's similar to you just before you go out from antistatics
@@maximwannabepro3021 ah yes 5,000 feet above the ground where there's oxygen yeah hypoxia set in.
Bless Andreas for making an effort to save all of those people
I wish he could have saved everyone... he tried his best
Unfortunately I doubt he could've save anyone else but himself, he entered the cockpit more than 2 hours after there was no more oxygen from the masks.
I cannot imagine his desperation. RIP Andreas.
@@darcanxIn the later, Haris(Andreas girlfriend) also helping Andreas at the end
As horrible as it is, at least the passengers were unconscious before the horrific descent. I was actually thankful for that.
Me.too.
What better way to go? Get up, do you daily routine, get on an aircraft and just fall asleep. Really no different from dying in your sleep after a normal day. Beats the hell out of yrs in a nursing home with dementia, cancer or some other horrible disease.
How the fuck did you get the name Jane doe.
@@chocolatechipcoochie3677 how the fuck did you get the name Chocolatechip coochie? 🤣
@@ItsMOMOBitches I typed it in and it worked. Sheer luck I suppose lol.
As an Ag Pilot myself and coming from a long history of pilots in my family one thing I always remember is a pilots checklists are the difference between life and death…don’t let routine and ego keep from maintaining constant checklist use.::that’s why we have them in the first place to help stop problems before they become unavoidable
Wow, this was a lot more sad than expected. Especially the first one. The idea of hypoxia really is terrifying, and eerie.
Omg...hypoxia..is it that difficult to handle in an airplane
I can't imagine what FA Andreas suffered on Helios, the only person conscious and aware of what was happening. Talk about the horrifying stuff of nightmares!
I imagine he did everything his training told him to do, but the being out of fuel and without proper time on the controls of this aircraft, it'd have been a terrible predicament to be in not mention that portable oxygen cylinder was probably almost out by the time he reached the cockpit and he was struggling to do much... If you've never been on ported oxygen before its difficult to imagine, I can only describe it as having air then breath by breath not having air and as this continues, its like your lungs though functioning feel... crushed, as though you can't breathe although you are infact breathing and in his case rippng off would do little good... At least the passengers went out peacefully or at least as peacefully as possible, especially when during routine ascent the oxygen masks drop and they all strap'em on wondering wtf is going on for the next 12mins then one by one passing out, either still in their masks or having ripped them off only to discover theres no air outside the mask either...
@@Feiora He did nothing. He didn't enter the cockpit at the time when the pilots were still alive, he didn't switch the pressure control unit to the "auto" mode, he didn't descend the airplane. He had a pilot license!
@@al-uw4ln you've never been oxygen deprived have you? Also having a pilot license means nothing if you have no time on the aircraft you now have to fly due to crew incapacitation, sure you'll know rudimentary things like the stick and some of the dials but to fly a fuel starved airliner while suffering the stupor you fall into with lack of oxygen and with all the electronic controls off due to engine 1 being off and probably unable to deploy the APU, there was no way to control the aircraft no matter what he tried to do.
It is scary AF
@@Feiora Seems he could've used the captain's or FA's O2 mask if he did enter the cockpit. Or portable O2 from one of the other FA stations.
Easy to second-guess, though.
I remember when Stewart died. It was on tv while the flight was still airborne! That was very sad and frightful.
Very sadly, I was directly involved with the events that resulted in the tragic death of Payne Stewart. I ran the Flexjet fleet, at the time. We had more than 100 jets in service. Payne had to use a charter aircraft for this last flight, because he was being paid for the trip to Dallas, and couldn’t use his share in one of our Learjet 31A aircraft. With Flexjet, it is standard procedure to reset the autopilot to below 13,000 feet, as soon as any Master warning was triggered. This would return the aircraft to a safe altitude, even if the crew were unconscious. The Learjet 35 crash was the result of inexperience, weak training and a failure to arm the oxygen and pressurization systems. Such a tragedy.
Business Jet Guru, As a passenger, I wish there was a way to better vet competence and safety practices. We can look at historical info and read NTSB reports, but without expertise that's barely useful. I guess people without medical training probably feel the same way about choosing healthcare providers. If I was an entrepreneur I'd start some kind of a co-op where professionals in different fields helped vet services for each other.
That is very sad.....
Well obviously, planes have oxygen masks and they keep peoples lives, but... if the plane was controlled by a flight crew that’s learning how to fly could save people lives some master warnings are reminders of emergency
@@reyesguerra1829 pilots are usually very well-trained. To try and help, they have exhaustive pre-flight checklists. These pilots weren’t even trained to fly this version of the Learjet 35A. What’s worse is that they made so many mistakes, before they even started an engine. A safe operator would never allow two pilots onboard with so little experience on this aircraft type. There’s a limit to how many safety systems, and alerts, you can put on an aircraft. At some point you have to believe the pilots are competent. Following a checklist just isn’t that hard.
@@businessjetguru1298 I’ll try fly a plane
I remember the Learjet (Payne Stewart) accident. I watched the footage from one of the F-16's and seeing the cockpit windows look as if they were fogged up. It was one of the most eerie things I have ever watched, it was one of the most helpless feelings ever 😢😢
I remember it also. When I saw it on the news, I was shocked. I used to watch pro golf all the time, and watched Payne Stewart play several times. Loved his plus-fours!
My heart really breaks for that poor flight attendant. They knew they were screwed. How horrifying.
But He Tried to save them poor flight attendant and the rest of them
Can you imagine the horror all those people on that German wings airplane that was deliberately brought down by the copilot in 2015 faced when they saw the captain beating on the cockpit door trying to get in as the plane was about to crash in the Alps in broad daylight?
@@rangerider51 Ya I felt Bad for them
"He". The others were unconcious.
@john doe I see civility and decorum are alive and well on RUclips.
If you even know what those are.
One lesson is that checklists will fail occasionally. Aside from clear alarms when something looks very wrong, there should be a summary panel which specifically reports any non-standard configuration; so you don't have to check every switch and lever and ask yourself if that's where it's supposed to be.
The sad thing about depressurization is you dont realise your going through it until its to late
So true! You don’t know when you’re hypoxic.
@@FATTIEASMR it's happened to me, up in the rockies at 14000 feet and change. You get giddy, stupid silly, and then just start nodding off. They never felt a thing. A four hour flight with no oxy, they were already dead.
It's a peaceful way to go
If you are suffering, you don't notice anything. The real world seamlessly transitions into a dream, and then you wake up confused... if you wake up. It has to be one of the best ways to go, tbh.
I have climbed in the Himalaya at 20000 ft and was well acclimatised, you had to move very slowly, and any slight over exertion would send you dizzy and close to fainting. I am sure the pilots would have lost consciousness by circa 15000 ft.
You can even feel altitude problems in the alps when you take a ski lift from the valley bottom to say 11000ft, the rapid ascent can make you feel dizzy.
All the deaths were (obviously) tragic. But I really felt for the flight attendant who was still conscious and had made his way into the cabin shortly before the plane crashed. Man...that's just....whew...oh boy....😞
Two flight attendants made it at the end
One rule I've heard is that you should never get to where you feel you have memorized the checklist. Always go through the checklist as if it's your first time each and every time, even if you've done it a thousand times before.
I remember listening to the incident with the lear, it was a famous golfer. What totally amazed me was the control tower and engineers came within a hundred yard of where they said it would crash and when it would run out of fuel. RIP
Oh yes...I believe this crash was featured on "Crash Investigations" or one of those series that spoke to the preciseness of investigators in how much fuel the jet had and where they would end up.
I believe CNN covered the incident live as it flew for hours, everyone knowing of course pro-golfer Payne Stewart was aboard. I can't imagine what it was like for those families knowing their loved ones were doomed.
For everyone moaning that this is just a repeat video of a crash this channel has already covered, if you actually watch the vid and not comment 5 minutes after it was uploaded you’ll realise that the crash now has an explanation into the cause - which the other vid didn’t.
still the same video. fc has a reputation of that.
I guess the word "updated" is a bit too much to ask for the title.
EDIT: This looks like it combines two videos into one...so it's a bit different.
the previous video also had an explanation, it's EXACTLY the same
@@ki5aok It's NOT updated, it's exactly the same, same explanation. The 82 people who liked his comment were misled.
For those complaining this is recycled material - it’s not JUST recycled material - it’s A BONUS DOUBLE DOSE of recycled material!
As one of these fighter pilots I would've been permanently scarred flying along side living corpses that are the citizens I've dedicated my life to protect. Totally powerless.
I hear you. I’m a Paramedic/Emergency Medical Dispatcher & have to sit on the phone when there are some horrific emergencies going on & apart from sending help & trying to give instructions to get the caller to try to help the patient, there’s nothing I can do. If the caller can’t or won’t help, all I can do is bear witness. It definitely gets to me, so I can’t imagine how frustrating it is for the crews of those fighter jets being unable to do anything & knowing that they may have to take the plane down to prevent it crashing in heavily populated areas
Dead men flying.
@@allisonjames2923 as a once firefighter/EMT in the 90s, ive had people die in my arms and them telling me to let their loved one know they love them. or me just being the last human they see. there are some things i will never ever forget -- and some smells I will never ever forget. life is precious.
Living corpse?
Well they are dead from lack of air
I was living in South Dakota when Payne's plane went down. I remember everyone talking about how eerie it was. We also wondered if the F-16s would have shot it down if necessary to avoid crashing into an urban area.
I can only imagine what that must have been like for the military pilots. The five minutes or so that it took for the Learjet to fall from 49,000 feet must have felt like an eternity. I know that they are professionals and they are conditioned to deal with it. But that has to be something that haunts you for a long time.
RIP to all those involved this is heartbreaking. Great informative video.
I am so impressed!
This channel gives a superb depiction of flight mishaps with awesome graphics and to the point subtitled narrative. Even the sound effects of jet engines and cabin ambient noise add to the detail. But best of all is how they respect the folks that perish during these incidents by avoiding displays of gratuitous scenes of crashes or visuals of destruction. Kudos my friends, you have a new subscriber! 👏👍
I thought the same as Julie Balfour, Andres P. needs some type of recognition for his bravery.
Sorry for my insufficient knowledge but could you give me context on Julie Balfore?
RIP TO ALL THOSE WHO DIED.YOUR VIDEOS ARE SO DAMN GREAT YOU DESERVE MORE SUBSCRIBERS
That helios one was sooooo close to being saved, had they just registered that question from the engineer
Seems like if they got hold of the engineer just seconds sooner the plane would've been saved
@@chiantiar yeah man, literally seconds could have saved this plane
Or caught the setting on the different checks
@@NicE-jq3wv This. Missing it once, happens; that's why there are multiple checks. Bobbling it _three different times_ takes a depressingly common skillset.
@@jeffdickey too true :/
It seems ludicrous the two alarms sound the same. One being incredibly vital. And no warning light flashing? Bring back flight engineers.
There is a separate light for cabin altitude (pressurisation). Pilots just didnt look what was causing the alarm. I don't know how it works in the older 737. I often fly 737-800 in xplane11 so i know that in the ng it ismnext to the takeoff config but it is a separate light
Correction, both conditions are incredibly vital. That might be why they shared the same tone.
Other than that, Boeing angers me with their switch to a financial focus from an engineering focus.
So much for checklists! No amount of checklists will work unless pilots actually check through them methodically.
A system of pre-departure cut-outs may work better or in addition to the checklist for the most critical items.
For example, modern cranes over 50 ton capacity often have computerized cut-outs that will disable certain functions unless the safety thresholds are met. Even some of the higher manlifts do likewise. For example, If your boom is fully extended, it will not allow you to travel with the wheels or boom down too far.
Applied to an aircraft, a cutout could disable the plane from taking off until the switches are in the appropriate settings.
Amazing video, really well put together. Informative and thought provoking.
I can't believe it's over 20 yrs I remember this, like it was yesterday. We had just left Hallandale driving up 95 heading to West Palmbeach. I believe it was Monday, because we arrived the day before on Sunday evening. We were in Florida at the time visiting our paternal grandmother and maternal grandfather.
I remember what a great time we all had together. Then, all of a sudden this came on the radio, live, In real time!! as it was happening, they said Payne Stewart was on a flight from Orlando, I think two of his agents and a friend of Jack Nicklaus were also on that Learjet, I remember hearing that ATC had tried to contact the Pilot's but there was no response!! I remember this going on for like 3 or 4 hrs. with frequent and constant updates.
when we heard that they were scrambling Jets to get information from the Learjet, to see what was going on, we still were holding out some hope that whatever the problem was it could be rectified, Then a few more updates and then the inevitable, that the plane might have run out of fuel, and then it crashed, so heartbreaking I remember,
Tarra Sage these heart breaking memories do not go !! 😞
over 20 years? It happened 15 years ago lol
@@bena6575 She's referring to the 1999 learjet accident, not the 2005 helios accident.
@@franrc265 oh ok! my bad
@@franrc265 yes!! Thank-u
The quality of the videos and reporting of these air disasters is very professional and wonderful. Thank you for showing what the outcome was, too. I will be back to watch again, but the incidents are so heart wrenching that I can't watch that many close together. Sorry, and, thank you.
Beautifully, sensitively executed; thank you for this.
The first one has to be a quintuple pilot error.
1. Missing the pressurization in the pre-flight procedure
2. Missing the pressurization in the after-start check
3. Missing the pressurization in the after take-off check
4. Hearing an alarm but instead of reasoning that maybe the alarm is for something else, insisting that it is a takeoff configuration warning even though that warning shouldn't be going off given the circumstance
5. Instead of listening to the engineer's advice, the captain reacts with a meaningless question
This flight could have easily been saved. It's weird that a captain with so much experience fails to do anything.
Exactly
1-3, yes. 4/5 hypoxia affecting him
The last one is not an error you can blame the pilot for. At that point he was already under the effects of O2 deprivation. No matter what the engineer said, his brain would not be able to process that information
So very tragic. Great recreations as always!
Addicted!!✈✈✈ Watching one video right after another. I never realized how much actually goes into flying these huge aircrafts!! The loss of lives is so very sad but the survivors one's are really great to watch! BTW I'm 41 years old and I've been in a helicopter once in my life for like 7 minutes!! I would NEVER do it again, nor fly in an airplane!!
Or some kind of O2 sensor that when detects low levels it sounds warning and if no human acknowledges alarm, plane automatically decends to flight level that humans can breath at.
Many planes can actually do that. If the oxygen level drops, the flight descends on autopilot to "safe" altitude (10-13.000 feet). However thi feature probably has to be configured and enabled. Obviously it was not the case here. (in either case)
Hey TFC
I've always been freaked out about plane crashes but your videos are very interesting. The amount of hard work and detail you put into every video is amazing. Keep it up fam!
Dang i had to stop after the first one. i dont want to get too emotional. Thank you though. I like your work.
Absolutely terrific shows, Down to detail clinical precision on everything, nice.
Fantastic video as always!! This channel is the best for air disaster videos
Astonishing such a thing can happen. But as usual, hindsight makes the difference.
At least is a rather peaceful way to go. Less the one person who made it to the cockpit. Wish he could have nose dived the plan. I wonder if any of us cats would have known what to do?
Respect and prayers for those lost.
Nowadays we wouldn’t be able to get into the cockpit, most likely.
So heartbreaking. Thank you
This brings it all back...I was at home online in Jacksonville, when this broke. I saw it online as my brother was a paramedic for JFRD back them. I heard the squaking on my scanners and followed this online, in real time, one of the first times to do this for me. RIP to all.
Americans don't believe in oxygen. To them it's a "conspiracy theory". If it's not on TV it's a conspiracy. This is why pilots never bothered to take seriously that engineer. He thought that engineer does not now a shit. It's TV fault. TV must announce to Americans that oxygen is important and is not a conspiracy theory.
No one: (Awkward Silence)
RUclips: Hey you want to be completely depressed and disturbed for the rest of the day?
Everyone: Sure, I’m bored. (Click)
Yet another excellent vid and yes, I did like the two incident format.
That's so sad about Andreas ☹️
Oh lord. Well all of these videos are very informative. Thanks!
I guess now if I'm on a flight and the oxygen masks deploy and we haven't descended in 10 minutes I'm getting my ass up.
10? Better make it less than 5
No need. Cabin crew are now trained to go up after 80 seconds.
passengers probably could not get through the door with today's security measures
@@ianmoseley9910 no, but without going in to how it works, for obvious reasons, there is a way for the cabin crew to get into the cockpit in such circumstances.
The flight attendants can though
Almost impossible to believe how two highly experienced pilots on the Helios flight could miss setting the pressurization system correctly. Sad.
Because their human and simple chased the wrong ghost. These are complicated machines and stressing environments there, Ace.
it is sad that the 2 warnings would be so simular in sound. No pressurization is a BIG deal, its sound should be unmistakeable.
@UCbHNwr8rBzt5WokltcGbYjQ it's start about 10,000ft... And thet talked to rhe engineer at ,18000ft so it where started
@@batsonelectronics Yes, much like the "pull up" alarm, "cabin pressure" should start screaming at them.
This is one of those "layers of Swiss cheese" things (where a hole in each slice aligns with a hole in the others). So many opportunities to prevent the fatal situation were overlooked. Serious maintenance mistake, alarm sound poorly designed, pilots who forgot the alarm sound could mean 2 things, failure to account for all the warning lights, failure to notice the pressurization system was set to manual (during 3 occasions), no one alerting the cockpit that passenger oxygen masks had deployed. Very sad, and hits harder because it was so preventable.
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Lol!
Already a comment in one minute feel like...WOAH
@@jerrycartledge8267 this is my favourite educational channel. The creator? He's really amazing. He puts so much into these vids. I learn a lot every time I tune in.
movies are lame anyways. a waste of time. go outside and do something you only live once.
@@Maplelust have to wait till April. I'm asthmatic. Can't go outside till the weathrer improves.☹
Note the Date @11:29 was before 9/11/2001. Scrambling fighters to a unresponsive or a hijacked airplane was standard procedure. Operation Able Danger. Looking it up is important to your freedoms.
In the year 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times to planes who either strayed off course or didnt respond to ATC. All successfull intercepted the target planes within 15 mins. On 911 someone didnt want those planes stopped from hitting there targets. In my view Dick Chaney should be the first put against a wall and shot.
It wasn’t Cheney or anyone in the government’s fault
@Ben P, If you're going to comment, make it relevant. Do you have trouble reading dates here @11:29 ? It's all that's on an otherwise black screen "October 25th, 1999".
@Ben P, You're on the wrong thread. This is about fighter scrambling prior to 9/11/01.
Peter Duffy 129 times out of how many ?
You got to feel for the engineer who asked the captain if ''the pressurization panel is set to AUTO?'' The same engineer who had conducted the pressurization leak check, and left the switch set to manual before flight.
SPACE ODDITY Was it the same?
@@ianmoseley9910 Yes it was the same engineer.
The engineer made a mistake by not resetting the switch, but the crew made 3 mistakes by not noticing 3 times. I wonder if this is actually a separate item on the checklists ?
That dumb ads engineer should be held responsible for all lives lost on flight !!
@@spaceoddity3958 My God. That poor soul. I can’t imagine the guilt and burden, I really can’t.
I really appreciate that the channel dedicates the films to the deceased.
Boy, that was interesting. Great video!
TheFlightChannel you are AWESOME!!! I simply really like your channel, ive been watching it from the start but i subed a little while later when i made myself a youtube account.
flying on a Britannia aircraft out of Luton UK some years ago I informed the FA that the door seal next to me was icing up and had a thick build up on the inside of the exit door. I was informed by the uninterested attendant that they all do this! So this door seal causing the accident has really flipped me.
On the bright side, if the FA had cared enough to tell someone perhaps a ground engineer would have tested the cabin pressure and forgot to set the pressurization system back to auto. Then everybody on the next flight would have died. So really your FA was a hero.
What doorseal caused the accident. Watch it again
It seems odd that there isn’t better automated systems for this… strange anyway to even have a switch for cabin pressurization that basically amounts to a “flip the switch and die, don’t flip the switch and live” situation. In other words - an unnecessary single point of failure.
Actually, it also baffles me in general that all flight data isn’t transmitted from all aircraft via satellite and monitored on the ground. It wouldn’t take all that much bandwidth to do it - a number of aircraft engine manufacturers already do something like this on all their aircraft engines in service. Imagine if all airports staffed a couple of flight engineers to monitor all aircraft status and immediately advise pilots on alerts and how to beat mitigate issues!
It might sound like overkill to some but all medium and large aircraft used to staff a dedicated flight engineer station on the flight deck and some still do. They don’t have to balance the tasks of flying - they only monitor and adjust the machine itself.
Ah well, typical of industry nowadays - Owned and operated by managers and bean counters doing the absolute minimum or less to comply with regulations, rather than engineers seeking best practices. Often in our world it’s not an issue of problems that can’t be solved, just problems that no one at the top wants to pay to solve...
Wouldn’t say single point of failure as it didn’t “fail” as the cabin altitude warning did go off, there is a warning light to tell you it’s in manual mode and it’s even part of the checklist. That why I’ve long preferred airbus when it comes to cockpit layout. If the cabin altitude is in manual mode (push button) it shows it in ECAM and button lights up
The trouble is each piece of automation brings MORE complexity, an ADDITIONAL point of failure - and one a pilot will then have NO control over
I'm all for flight Engineers though
It wasn't a single point of failure, it was multiple poor choices lead to this failure. The warning sound is point 1 they somehow confused it with a take-off sound? Like they didn't put 2 and 2 together. 2.) the master light comes on they STILL think it's a take-off configuration warning. 3.) the oxygen masks dropped and they didn't realize it. 4.) They over looked the switch FOUR different times. 5.) When the engineer asked if the switch was in auto they ignored him and asked a question in return.
Nearly all newer airplanes have a description attached to the master caution or master warning aural and visual signal of a problem. This makes it easier to diagnose. For both pilots to overlook the pressurization problem is extremely rare. I’m certain there have been numerous similar failures that have been corrected properly.
@@Reaperdeathpunchthe only thing that holds in your argument is 4.
1 and 2 they were confused and they did ask for advice/help.
And im more stuck on why two warning sounds sound that similar
3 they had no way to know that the Oxygens mask came down unless theirs a button that lights up notifying them, however given that that are missing warnings along side not knowing whats going and trying to receive help that would've been missed on unless a flight attendant told them.
4. that argument holds
5. Hypoxia had already kicked in at this point thus the captain unable to get his thoughts together
Hypoxia is a scary thing that I am always mindful of at work inside confined spaces. Very sobering video. Very tragic stories.
All your videos are incredible excellent work 👌
I remember in a simulator when I first heard this alarm, I thought how weird it is to have such an important system tied to such an innocent alarm. It was confusing as heell and I only realized after 20k and passed out.
Why didn't they use a different sound? You can set your phone to use a different ringtone for each contact so why reuse sounds for two different functions when confusion can lead to life-or-death situations.
They need to show pictures to American pilots. In MacDonalds they know how to select the right picture. American Pilots need to see picture of a crashed plane and a sexy girl in front of that instead of this sound. Sound is confusing, reading is boring , pictures are fun. Americans know that.
Simple mistakes that cost the lives of many. So sad
This is by far thee most compelling channel on RUclips. It’ll scare the living daylights out of you, make you emotional, will you come make your palms sweat make you all nervous and tense, make you cheer with relief. It’s like nothing else.
I mean, How haunting was it in the first one to read “the F-16 pilots observes at 11:50 an unknown person not wearing an oxygen mask enter the cockpit and occupy the captains chair.” Jesus. One passenger was still f#%king conscious. My god.
This channel just blows my mind
Thats gotta be a wrong timestamp..🙄
I just love this channel and this was already covered but the then the report of the investigation did not come out yet so now we get to see the explanation
Great content ,video suggestion : Uberlingen mid air collision , you would make it great thank you
Rest in peace all passengers that died on this flight.
This Channel is one of my favorites
Found it very interesting and learned a lot, thanks
If you want to make another double-episode, I strongly suggest United 585 and USAir 427
I liked the 2 airplane incidents in one video.
These were heartbreaking, all over again. RIP to all who perished in these tragedies.
I remember when Payne's plane went down. All of Springfield, and all of the PGA, were in total shock.
I remember when this happened. So tragic & sad. May they Rest In Peace 🙏🏼
Still hope you'd do one of the big ones (PSA Flight 182 from 78 and JAL Flight 123 from 85) in the future. Besides that, great remastered clips of these tragic crashes.
I want him to redo Tenerife collision, but with better intro than season 1
@Luchino Bruttomesso I know. I think he did it like a month or two after my post.
It's true what they say, the words on the emergency checklists are often written in blood.
Also questions the value of flight hours. An attentive private pilot who spends (1) hour flying through a thunderstorm, would have gained more experience than a pilot flying (10) hours through clear skies, while on auto-pilot...
I don't know man wouldn't that be a biohazard?
Both comments regarding hours and checklists are spot on.
How horrific for the fighter pilots seeing one pilot amd he’s slumped over, and then no movement from the passengers dealing it was essentially a ghost jet full of people. God that’s be such a helpless feeling!!
I love the idea of putting similar crashes together. For example, American Flight 96 and Turkish Flight 981 could also be combined, though the results of the crashes ended up quite different.
this is one of the reasons i keep sensor app open during my flights (as a passenger). pressure sensor on phones could save their lives if it was a thing back then.
The pressure may have been within range, just too low oxygen.
you didn't need to put as a passenger. have a little more faith that not everyone is a complete imbecile.
@@Maplelust faith sure didn't help these people. besides, i don't only do it for safety, i do it because i'm curious.
which app do you use?
@@A.R.77 Oxygen levels are fairly the same even at very high altitudes. However the partial pressure of oxygen drops significantly for the human lungs to breath.
The flight attendant, Andreas, on the Helios flight may well have prevented a greater tragedy by diverting the aircraft away from heavily populated areas where it may well have crashed after running out of fuel if it had maintained its programmed holding pattern...
This is almost certainly what happened to MH370, although, with it being over the ocean, there weren't any fighters scrambled to identify the situation...
I hope to see mh130 located in my life time
This did not happen to MH370. To much input from pilots for one.
@@gregoryconnor9333 Exactly. The pilot dumped MH370 intentionally.
I was working a vendor booth at the Tour Championship in Houston where Payne Stewart was due to play and I will never forget that day. I wasn't a huge golf fan, but I loved Payne and watched sometimes because of him. The only reason I was excited to be there working was to see Payne in his funky knickers (and - ngl - hopefully get his autograph), but that opportunity would never come. As the news about his plane spread, a few of us gathered in an ambulance that was there to provide EMT services for the tournament and they had a TV where we watched the situation unfold. I knew where the player's parking lot was located and the next day, I walked to Payne's reserved spot to pay my respects and it was overflowing with flowers and tributes to Payne. It was a very moving sight to behold and one that will be etched in my mind forever.
So good! Great work.
I've seen that Helios flight case on NatGeo channel. Frightening stories :-/
I remember reading, immediately after the Payne Stewart plane crash, that inspectors suspected that the seal on one of the windows broke--not huge, but enough to make a difference. I had also read that a couple of learjets had experienced the same thing before and calls were made to have the windows checked. My heart still aches for the Stewart Family.
I don't know. I keep being told flying is still safer than driving, however, if I'm driving and something happens, at least I'm driving and in control--sort of.
yea i have that same feeling. the fear of being killed by something stupid without having any control is frightening
Given my first and only accident in a car while driving was another car grazing side to mirror because they made a jump into the left turn lane prematurely before I was going to with signal on. There isn't controlling another person's driving thus my mirror bit into their SUV. I frankly would feel less nervous about flying.
Hammable Of Carthage you have to compare it to fatal car crashes because plane crashes are 99% just that
@@VenomCold Much lower rate, but that also means you are a lot more likely to suffer long term from a car crash while alive. A person I know is in a nursing home in his 20s from traumatic brain injury from a car accident. My mom has had dentures since 17 from a car accident in the 1970s. There is no guarantee you will have full quality of life as she hates being in the passenger seat and the other guy is well, a shell of his former self. But that is a philosophical difference as I see no pleasure in a near vegetative state.
@@Eibarwoman better than dying 99,9%
Thank you for the video.
thank you for sharing that's so sad
Ugh, when in training to be a Flight Engineer I had pounded into my head that no matter what if on climb out you get cautions you make the pilots level off so you can trouble shoot it.
Yea it's common sense but pilots gotta stick to procedures
How many flight engineer jobs still exist? Seems like no major carrier uses them.
@@33moneyball bout 1200 in the usaf but they are trying to get rid of them. In civil sector mostly just ups and fed ex.
@@Irishhaf why though? Is it to cut down costs?
@@johnsteward8325 Climbing puts a great deal of stress on an airplane, so in an unknown situation you by leveling off you buy time to trouble shoot the problem.
I don't understand how " put on o2 mask" is not the first thing to do from the beginning. If you are above the altitude that O2 is scarce , staying awake and alert should have always been the 1st thing to do. It boggles my mind that this rule had to be changed at all. RIP to those that died. It also seems like work done on an airplane should be automatically given to the next crew, just in case.
the oxygen tanks on a plane like that only hav about 5-10 minutes worth of air, pilots hav may hav more
Great videos, these are the best videos created on youtube....and they are addictive. The stories can be chilling and horrifying, still the videos are amazing. I get happy and prefer them when people survive though.
One of my favorite videos revamped👌
Flight Attendant Andreas had the lungs you'd want to fight Corona
Good point
Andreas had his girlfriend in the flight with him... so imagine tha situation... trying to save a plane with your gf already dead and low on oxygen brake in to the cockpit while the plane its going to ran out of fuel... that s so bad..
When learjets actually have to inspect and not intercept. A double whammy of sadness. Thank you for the videos. RIP.
Very sad but great work on video.
I remember reading about the golfer’s learjet when I was in middle school. I remember how eerie the story was of how a ghost jet was flying over the United States with no one having control of it.
It seems like the warning sounds should be unique, right?
So the pilots can keep them sorted
Gorgeous video, so heartbreaking👏👏👏
I’ve seen another video on RUclips that discusses this flight. It mentions that the alarms are now different.
@@mikezimmermann89 oh wow! That's really interesting to know. Thanks so much 🌞
Damn. That was such a good looking Learjet too.
Listened in disbelief in 90s from my at work in Florida when a golfer died in a similar flight and crashed when it ran out of gas after it "porpoised" all the way north until it went way into some northern state that I can't remember?!
Nice that you make Old Videos new again
Seen this one, thrilling and sad story at the same time
What exactly is thrilling about this