"Do a troubleshoot checklist before putting an Oxygen mask on" - that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Whoever made that original rule is nuts, I'm glad they changed it.
@@Suisfonia No kidding. Hypoxia starts to set in within seconds depending on altitude and severity of pressure loss. Can't believe anyone would not suggest putting on an Oxygen mask as one of the first steps in an Emergency...
Rule number 1 as a passenger, bring a portable oxygen concentrator on flight and have on even if things are going well. And yes you can have portable concentrators on a plane, just can't take canisters.
Wilson Hallman at that point they were clearly all dead already. The only thing they are concerned with is other plains in the area and possibly minimizing the damage to the area on the ground it would contact. If it was heading toured a highly populated area around the time it would run out of fuel, they would have to shoot it down.
@@shots2 Life--or death--goes on beyond this brief temporal existence. Whether or not you accept that, why not just allow the poster to make a respectful, compassionate expression of sympathy toward those lost and their surviving families, rather than being a dick about it?
after someone looses access to oxygen it only takes minutes for them to get permanent brain damage and death. it's safe to assume that by the time the first fighter jet had intercepted the plane everyone onboard was already dead.
I remember this tragedy very well. He was on his way to another golf tournament when this accident occurred. He left behind a wife and 2 little ones that day. Those who haven’t seen what his fellow golfers did to honor him, need to watch it. Truly breath taking. RIP Payne Stewart, I know there are all the great golf courses you could imagine where you are playing now!
Like that ALASKA AIRLINE FLIGHT from Mexico with the stripped threads on the elevator motor. It is so comforting to know 89 passengers and crew did not die in vain. By golly maintenance received a memo to inspect and grease the damn part that could bring down an entire plane in flight. Well done corporate negligence
I was always amazed that O2 on was NOT the first thing on checklists after depressurizing. I had trouble climbing mountains at 10000 ft. I can only imagine how difficult it is to fly a plane with that little O2 in your body.
and 10,000 ft are usually the standard descent altitude for aircraft if they encountered unrecoverable depressurized cabin. So basically, they can breath but probably still gasping for it.
I'll always remember this. My sister and I were at the lake in Watertown, SD.I was working around the garage and she came out from the house with a newer set of binoculars. She heard the call on the scanner about this plane. It was flying southwest of us and she spotted it and the fighters. We watched it until it went out of range, later we heard on the news that it crashed.
At my previous company, where I flew Lear 24's and 25's, the owner's girlfriend and two company pilots had died in a similar manner as Payne Stewart years before I started working there. If I remember correctly, the pilots had forgotten to turn on the supplemental oxygen bottle during preflight and they had a loss of cabin pressure at altitude. In the old Learjets, the access panel for the supplemental oxygen bottle was located on the outside of the airplane near the nose and the knob had to be opened before flight. There was no way to turn it on in flight if someone forgot. It was a major design flaw of early model Learjets and has killed more than a few people.
Only a moron could have designed such a system. There should have been at least then a warning light to warn that the supplemental oxygen was not available. Who designs these things? Do they not have that little thing called common sense in their resume?
Maybe the writer of the check list was suffering from hypoxia? Step #1 Trouble shoot the problem Step #2 put on your mask Step #3 Potato...SMACK (sound of head hitting desk as they pass out)
@@1finebattle Oh for Christ's sake. Are you that prejudiced that you have to make everything that goes wrong about the "blacks" and "Hispanics". You guys have shot right past hysterical to just plain F@@king Insane!
I remember the day this happened. I was a big Payne Steward fan and when they said the plane they send up saw all were passed out on the plane, it was heart breaking. So was the funeral for him with the bag pipes. RIP all passengers.
I still remember when this happened, because that day my dad was working a shift as an air traffic controller at the Sioux Falls, South Dakota airport. I'm not exactly sure about just how involved he was in this incident, but I think he was pretty close to it, because he was questioned by the people conducting the investigation.
Death by oxygen deprivation (hypoxia) can come in as little as 10 minutes sometimes less. The fighter pilots observed icing on the windows. At that altitude those on the aircraft must have been exposed to extremely cold temperatures. Survival under all those conditions wouldn't have been possible for long at all. I guess thats the only merciful thing , knowing all on board went out painlessly. They were most likely unconscious before they even knew what hit them, and surely deceaced before impact. Still incredibly sad though R.I.P to all onboard.
Wrong, actually, extreme cold helps to keep you alive with very little oxygen....There are people who will spend over 15 minutes down in very cold water... and the only reason they can do it it is because the water is so cold...
@@Infi1337 May I ask a question? I’m NOT a pilot. If it was in autopilot as I believe it was; why did it divert so far north to SD from Orlando fl? I think it was bound for Texas. I’m ignorant to how much control AP has in terms of maintaining a course. I assumed it could actually maintain flight path and land at the airport. Again, I have zero clue. Thanks
A couple of interesting facts about this tragedy 1) it reached reached a maximum altitude of 48,900 feet 2) LearJet was not held responsible, which is disgusting considering that it was they who put the fatal flaw in the training manual
@@leelaural It depends on the ascent. If it was not a rapid, but gradual, ascent it would have had enough time to calibrate air-fuel mixture and balance itself out accordingly. It would be chewing through fuel like a motherfucker that high up though.
@@leelaural It stalled then picked up airspeed in the descent causing it to climb back up and then stall as it lost airspeed. This cycle continued repeatedly
@coleawtrey9375: You’re talking about a phugoid cycle. But that didn’t happen here. It flew straight & level (even at that altitude), before running out of fuel and then spiralling down.
So strange! I know at the end they mention the emergency check list which apparently instructed the pilots to try and solve the problem before putting on supplemental Oxygen but I can't believe, the Air Force veteran pilot anyway, would follow that given the extensive training all AF pilots and crew go through--each going through training in the Altitude Chamber. An experience none of us who go through ever forget.
@M Detlef Production has several definitions but the relevant ones might be "The action of making or manufacturing from components or raw materials, or the process of being so manufactured." "The process of or management involved in making a film, play, or record. ‘the film was still in production’ " You can also refer to production as the technical aspects of creation. Even cartoons have to be produced (created). You're welcome :) Best wishes,
Once in a while when i am watching a golf tournament on tv , i will see a golfer wearing a very colourful pair of socks like Payne was famous for, he was well liked always so i like to see that nice gesture.
I was living in Huron,SD when Payne Stewart’s plane flew over my home...dozens of people (including myself) watched helplessly below praying for a miracle! I’ll never forget that as long as I live!
I was lucky enough to go through a USAF pressure chamber. They took us up to 29,000 and we had a pad of paper and a pencil to take a simple math test, adding, subtracting, multiplication, and division. The instructions were to test until told to don our mask. When the pressure seal was broken the room filled with fog for about 2 seconds then went clear. My breath was sucked out and I could not breathe. I started the simple tests and at 15 seconds I could not write, and I had tunnel vision. At 20 seconds the Pressure Chamber Commander told me to don my mask. I said ok but could not move my hands. At 25 seconds he told me again, and at 30 seconds HE PUT MY MASK ON MY FACE. My vision came back quickly. I will never forget that event. Now, anytime the other pilot leaves the flight deck, we have to don the mask at 100% Oxygen flow. To this crew I say RIP. The Lear does NOT have quick Oxy donning masks. They are under the seat, unplugged. To get the quick donning masks is an extra charge, but well worth it.
Glynn, I experienced the same thing in the USN chamber. All we had to do was put shaped blocks in the correctly shaped hole. I only got two blocks in before confusion set in and nothing made sense.
This taught me that if I'm ever in a plane that's going down after the masks have dropped, I should take mine off so I can just get a little buzzed then pass out while everyone else is screaming.
After having watched dozens of crash reenactments on this channel, somehow I have found more curiosity about flying and feel safer about it in general. Humans are a strange bunch. Hope your flight was calm and safe. :)
The pilots had minimal experience and knowledge when it comes to the Lear 35. Both pilots failed to recognize that the oxygen was in the off position while conducting their preflight inspection. The O2 bottle was located in the nose section and on the co-pilots side of the aircraft. I used to fly the 35 but it’s been a few years. I sort remember there being an issue with the labeling on the O2 bottle and if a pilot was not properly briefed on this issue, it was often overlooked. There were other important factors but this one was one of the biggest. Pretty sad
@@krashd Yes, I'm wondering how he could have access to that information. I can believe he has evidence that the pilots lacked adequate experience with the Lear 35 but his second sentence would appear to be merely speculation, even if it's a plausible explanation for the disaster.
There was a similar issue in Sri Lanka long time back where Upali Wijewardane, an International Sri Lankan businessman and his associates were lost in Malacca Straight in his Learjet. No trace yet.
A truly sad and chilling story. When you look at the news coverage of this, it’s truly creepy but more so heartbreaking. Wonderful recreation TFC as always
Tracy McGrady bought his former home (Mr. Stewart) and said to his shock, some classic outfits were still in the wardrobe. Perhaps the family wanted to unload some of his stuff as a way to grieve. RIP.
He was my favorite golfer. Picked him to with the US Open in 1999 after losing undeservedly in the previous year when his short put on 18 lipped out and went off the green at Olympic club (bad course management). I was at Pinehurst to watch that year for a few days. Shame he had so little time to savor that win and defend his championship. Great man.
A very riveting video and a heartbreaking ending, but excellently presented. I only pray that the passengers and crew were unable to feel the crash because of having passed out or having passed on earlier in the flight. R.I.P.
I'm a bit scared of flying but I have always been fascinated by airplanes. Ironically, watching your channel and the recreation of the accidents helps me out to be less scared of flying. Probably is because I get to see in detail the causes for these accidents are very rare and extreme. It has also helped me understand a little more how an airplane is controlled and operated and that, I have a fascination for. Also, the animations, the way the story is presented, the pacing, the respect for the casualties when saddly they are due, are all fantastic factors that keep these videos very entertaining.
One of the sadder things (IMHO) was 1 of the passengers (I believe it was the Golf Course Designer) was offered a ride at the last minute by Payne and he took it. I guess when your time comes, it comes full force. R.I.P. Payne and to all who were on the aircraft..
I doubt I will ever forget that day. I turned on tv and found one of the news networks carrying the story. I didn’t hear of Payne Stewart being onboard for a few minutes. He was, after Fred Couples, my favorite golfer. He was a special person and always seemed kind and polite. It was shocking to listen to the story unfold to its inevitable conclusion. It will be 20:yrs soon and he is still very much missed by thousands of golfers and non-golfers.
I still remember the day that Payne Stewart died. My dad and I had just got home from playing a round of golf. It was the first time I had beat him. We came in and my mom was crying and she told us his plane had crashed.
Another great video of a very tragic event for anyone who loves both flying and golf. If I had the choice; dying from hypoxia is about the least painful way. I look forward to each Friday. It's payday and there's always a new video from the flight channel!
I recall when this happened. The media had indicated that sudden loss of pressure and hypoxia was the probable cause. Knowing the inevitable outcome several hours before the eventual crash was surreal.
Or you just pass out before you even feel anything. When it’s a slow leak like this you would never even know. Just pass out and that’s it. No reason to do checklist or mask because to you your fine
I remember reading about a private pilot who survived an incapacitation case (carbon monoxide, I think, not depressurization) because he had the autopilot set to "wing leveler" only and not altitude hold. The plane was trimmed for essentially level flight, but once he became incapacitated the plane began descending gradually. The plane crashed essentially wings level on the ground but the pilot survived once he "came to." It's an old story and I think it was a Piper Comanche. I've wondered since then if other flights could have been saved if the plane was able to descend on its own if the pilots were incapacitated, either automatically or because of a gradual descent because of using "wing leveler" only.
You have covered only the factual report here and not gotten to the real flaw. I worked in a company in Central Florida that provided air transportation for many individuals and companies in the area. We provided flights for Payne Stewart prior to his changing to the company that ultimately provided his last flight. There are a lot of factors you will not find in the NTSB's final report. This is such a tragedy on many different levels. Mr. Stewart's manager was notorious for trying to get free or reduced rates for the use of private jets for himself and his clients, and while being thrifty is fine, putting your safety at risk is not prudent. The operators of the jet used for this flight were known to cut corners resulting in a lower margin of safety. They also used aircraft that were made before the statue of repose, which means there would be no ability to sue the manufacturer. When trying to find an aircraft and company to provide safe and cost efficient travel, certain assumptions are made by the public. That all companies are the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of the time, there are no problems when it all goes right, but when the day comes and it all falls apart, who would you rather count on. The skilled professional aviators or those who do the minimum and cut corners. In operating a complex jet aircraft there are specific realities. The debt service for a particular aircraft is the same for all. The cost of fuel is within a few pennies a gallon. As for flight personnel and maintenance, these are where you can cut corners by under reporting and under performing scheduled maintenance. As to pilot training, there are those that will not accept a sub par aircraft to fly and those who do not train to the highest standard, but just enough to qualify. Not long before the final flight I received a call late in the evening, from the manager inquiring about changing the flight for the next day's flight. I reminded him that we were not doing his trip. He had called me on several occasions, forgetting we weren't flying them any longer, so I asked why they had decided to leave us. He said that he had to consider the costs and that we had always done a good job. In the end he said that he was saving $300 per hour in flight costs. I asked him to consider the realities of jet operational costs and where could that money be cut out without jeopardizing safety. I won't share his answer but in hindsight I think we know the outcome. To my own personal knowledge, the operator had what I must say was an unusual approach to Air Charter. As happens from time to time, your aircraft are over booked and you will have to reach out to another operator to cover a trip. In one such example we asked for a quote from the same operator. It was a trip from KORL Orlando Executive to TXKF Bermuda. We agreed on terms and aircraft, and that included airworthiness and equipment to perform the journey over water with safety gear as well. The aircraft and crew that appeared moments before expected departure was far from being legal for the flight to my ramp much less to a distant runway several hundred miles over water. As I made my inspection for release, the first red flag was the Captain appeared to be about 90 years old looking like an un-made bed with food in the corners of his mouth. The co-pilot appeared to be less then 15, and had less than 1000 total time and 10 in type. No 135 papers or check ride, which is required. It gets worse, The aircraft had a pink slip, or temporary owner registration, also illegal from ops outside the US. There was no long range Navigational equipment. And even more telling the supplemental Oxygen bottle was empty. I told them politely they would not be needed and they should return to base. I called the operator who was incensed, and I reminded him he had not met the agreement and there would no compensation. He threatened all manner of woes, and I simply suggested that we get his FAA inspector on the phone in a 3 way and settle it. Well that put it to rest. These are some of the reasons I know that when getting on an airplane, you must do your homework or find someone you trust who knows how to vet potential operators. I won't say all I know here, but you now have some clues as to what caused the untimely and unnecessary death of several of Golf's brightest minds Further study NTSB Report on crash of N47BA
jagjet - Interesting story--thanks for taking the time to relay it here. While I know almost nothing about airflight, wouldn't putting on an oxygen mask in the cockpit *First* within the first seconds during an emergency be covered in Piloting 101? Even passengers should know to do that ASAP. Do you think it was arrogance/overconfidence or something of that nature? Also, could you explain why it is that this "hypoxia" is able to set in so quickly, incapacitating people like within ten seconds (??), when some individuals are able to hold their breath for a minute or more? My cousin was a recreational scuba diver during his younger years; and he could hold his breath underwater for three minutes. Or is there something that I'm missing here?
@@ThatClassic70sGirl It is my contention that the crew failed to engage the pressurization system after take off. The climb to altitude that would have rendered them incapacitated would have seemed like slow motion to them. Holding your breath for 3 minutes and then having nothing to replace it would even speed the onset, as there would be no rapid recovery as at sea level. I spent a great deal of time and expense to bring my own level of understanding and skill set to overcome such problems. And Yes, a well trained and skilled aviator should first get his own mask on and then assist others. Lear Jet got thumped by the FAA and the NTSB because their aircraft was not updated properly as knowledge and time progressed. The Lear family of high performance jets were first sold without having specific model training. You could go from a light piston twin to a Lear and the initial results were many people found themselves over their heads on the way to the crash site. Type ratings were started to save people from their own overconfidence and unscrupulous dealers. Talking to other crew members and mechanics from the operator, it seemed that filling the Emergency Oxygen bottle on their jets was too costly. When one pilot complained he was told was he was dropped down the order in rotation, until he stopped worrying about such things. The Captain on this flight was a relatively experienced pilot, but had very few hours in the type. The co pilot was not rated in the type and had very low experience in all types. She had made the rounds of all local operators, and expressed in interest in building time at any cost. I will leave that to your imagination. Indelicate but a reality in the industry. The bottom line is when an operator is more interested in money and not safety, the conditions are right for less than desirable outcomes. This group was known to the FAA nd the NTSB for other incidents that should have been red flags for further investigation before the tragedy mentioned above. Hope that helps.
@@ThatClassic70sGirl A SCUBA diver should NEVER hold their breath under water, especially if transiting vertically. Skin divers (spearfishers etc) can do it of course
@@68404 He was not scuba diving at the time - only practicing biofeedback techniques while swimming in an eight-foot chlorinated pool. What I was trying to say is that given some people's ability to hold their breath for longer than average times, I'm uncertain how a reduced ratio of oxygen (as contrasted with a complete lack of oxygen) in the upper atmosphere/plane cabin can totally incapacitate someone within just a mere few seconds. It seems like it would take several minutes before hypoxia would set in.
I’m no scientist but I wish planes could have like a massive parachute or something that could lower the plane down safely without any deaths in a case of a emergency
"The Payne Stewart Story" tells a much different story of the cause of the depressurization and the problem with some mechanical part of the system, also the group had changed from their regular charter and this co. had a maintenance issue with this jet. It's quite a good book about his life, career, and this tragic end.
Awesome video as always! Your research and recreation is amazing! The plane that just crashed in the java sea reminded me of your channel. I'm sure you wont be able to do a video on it anytime soon, but watching the news and hearing all the reporters ask why would a brand new plane crash, reminded me that a lot of things can and do happen. Perhaps in the future you will be able to make a video about. Anyways thanks for all your hard work!
I remember this sad flight. Payne was two weeks younger than me and a helluva golfer. Hard to believe 20 years have passed since his and the other plane victims' deaths.
Ian Hamilton oh that’s who it was. Thanks for writing his last name. I couldn’t remember the famous golfer with first name of Payne. RIP all aboard this craft.
Ian Hamilton He was a really nice man. I remember an idiot on the news saying that they were going to have to shoot it down, unneeded information really. Mr Payne Stewart and his plus 4s.
Although I was only a casual fan of golf, there was a time when I had really started watching the sport because of all people, Payne Stewart and his style of golf and the clothes he wore! I took time to read more about Payne Stewart and losing him at the height of his career was devastating to even the most casual of golfers. A well liked gentleman and someone who many looked up to. Rest in Peace Payne Stewart!
I know nothing about flying, but even I was astounded to learn that the pilots were instructed to try to solve the pressure-drop problem first before donning their oxygen masks. I really cannot believe that such a rule even exists : it's sounds insane.
Yet those F16 pilots really lucked out. If the plane was heading for a populated area they would have been ordered to shoot it down. Shooting down innocent civilians over your own homeland could have been a rough pill to swallow. Luckily the plane was allowed to crash on its own in a nonpopulated area.
It probably wasn’t too difficult for them to watch it. The fighter jets are very maneuverable and can easily out run a Learjet. They probably had no problem getting a front row seat to see all of the action.
I submit it was, indeed, a pressurization issue. Autopilot corrected for some sort of massive decompression, or the oxygen system just stopped working. One of the two. May all those aboard now rest...
John Sauerbrun Not at all. I am a retired Learjet Captain, I have 9,000 hours in Learjet from the 23 to the 55 series . I also instructed in the aircraft for a year. The copilot turned off the oxygen bottle and never turned on the pressurization system. The cabin will hold 5,000 ft until about 15 or 20 thousand feet then it starts to go higher once the outflow valve is opened it’s fairly fast. I actually flew this aircraft several times it was a tight ship. This is totally the copilots fault. The FAA correction was to change the knob on the oxygen bottle to say ON when it was turned on instead of off with an arrow pointing the direction to turn the system off and change the color from black to green so the FAA & inexperienced pilots could easily see the modified knob. Additionally, the warnings were reset to 10,000 ft the pressurization was off. The switch was found locked in the off position.This aircraft also made a low pass in Sioux Falls South Dakota before crashing, everyone expected it to land but it did not. I was there and witnessed it. The national guard at Sioux Falls followed the aircraft until it finally crashed. This was indeed a very tragic event.
D H Sorry but it was the copilot in this particular Lear 35 the oxygen tank was in the tail not in the nose of the ac. Remember I flew this bird and the ntsb questioned me and several of my friends about the aircraft. The modification to the control knob was sadly referred to as the Payn Stewart mod. Unfortunately it was a very common mistake. I was shown by a senior captain how not to mistake the valve off when it was supposed to be on. My company required pilots to free flow the O2 mask for 2 minutes to verify the bottle was in as it would stop flowing after 1 minute if it was turned off. It is part of the post flight that the crew turn off the O2 bottle to prevent leaking and preflight to turn it back on. Yes the aircraft was serviced but it is the responsibility of the flight crew to turn on the oxygen, so by not confirming the oxygen was on the captain is equally responsible. Here is the flight safety report they got the oxygen bottle position wrong. flightsafety.org/ap/ap_apr01.pdf. As you read sadly she forgot to turn on the blead air switch’s and the Oxygen. I have to admit I did this once while on a reposition flight thank god it was a short flight but when the alarms went off the Captain I was flying with started laughing and agreed I’d never forget to torn them on again. He knew they were off. I reset them and we continued the flight.
I suspect that you are, indeed, delusional. In order for you to claim that you know (submit) what happened, you must believe, in your mind, that you were on that flight, to make such a claim. Or you're on psychotropic medication ...
Is it possible that one of the passengers may have had just enough mental clarity to realise what was happening and if so imagine his horror. May they all R.I.P.
I was working on the Lear 85 back in 2008. I was told that particular aircraft had had a non authorized non oem valve installed in the cabin ecs/pressurization system. According to the LearJet people, pressurization likely never occurred and they went straight into hypoxia in a gradual slide.
Just saw this Video brings back sad memories of my client Capt Frank H. Kratzer. RIP he died doing what he loved. I stopped flying my Cessna 172. You never know when your time is up enjoy life TODAY!!!
I'm from Payne Stewart"s neck of the woods. I heard rumors that they had problems with leakage in a window during the previous flight. They thought they had it fixed!
It’s so surreal... A flying freezer. Point of fact, the air temps at 40,000 feet are routinely -75 degrees Fahrenheit. Extremely cold. The passengers were dead long before the crash, I theorized. That was the horror.
I am here following this channel from 11K subs and was eagerly waiting for this video. Thanks The Flight Channel ... Amazing realism and thanks for all the hard work you made !!! 👍👍
Absolutely, Kevin. Airline pilots have their smoke/oxygen masks readily available, hanging behind the captain's left shoulder, the copilot's right. Their emergency checklists, for the presence of smoke, or pressurization problems, call for donning the masks, and turning on their supplemental air/oxygen first, and immediately. It's incredible to me, (Retired airline)that the emergency checklists in any other aircraft with the same equipment, and altitude capability, would be any different.
@@vincesbardella3838 In my line of work we were in pits that could flood with gasses that were colorless and odorless like argon. Needless to say, not only safety equipment but one in the pit, then one out of the pit was always mandatory!
I remember watching the coverage, it was on almost every channel. Viewing it live was creepy as "experts" had surmised that all had passed. Coverage was cut as the plane started to descend.
@@ivannovotny4552 hey chill. Some viewers are new to Aviation videos and don't realise its not a matter of making a video and copy then paste details. Clearly he has an extremely keen desire to know about what happened but does not know the procedures and time it takes to conclude an investigation of this devistating crash. I am not saying he/she is a millenial but the insistence makes me believe. They usually want answers before a situation has already occurred.
A common misconception is that when fighters refuel, they always get a full fuel load. They almost never do. And the first F-16's out of Eglan had to really hustle to catch that Lear by Memphis because it was likely cruising at close to 600mph. That burns a LOT of fuel.
I flew from Phoenix to South Dakota on this day, via Denver. While in the Denver airport I was waiting for the plane to South Dakota when it was announced that our flight would be delayed. I asked an airline employee in the terminal if there was a problem and he looked at me with a sad face and just said "yes" and looked away toward the ground. He knew. Only when I arrived in South Dakota did I find out that the plane was delayed because airspace had to be kept clear until the plane would come down.
@@jeromegoodwin3848 Don't be an asshole, an asshole who is wrong. I didn't make it just about me. I made it about my personal experience with events. People enjoy sharing their experiences relating to events and other people enjoy hearing personal experiences about things relating to stories. Go back the hole you crawled out of you joyless hack.
I was a marshal in the Michelob Championship at Kingsmill tournament in Virginia the year before (98), and there was a hold up on the green (4th hole), so Payne and his caddie were standing in the fairway with us far away from the gallery, we talked for about ten minutes, they both seemed like really great guys. I was very impressed, most of the pros aren't that nice to the volunteers. He mentioned that this was a tough hole, and I told him he was going to birdie it. After he hits his shot very close to the pin, he turned around and walked over to me and gave me his golf glove (Top Flite) and said if he made that putt he would buy me a drink after the round. He made that putt for birdie, but I never went to the clubhouse after the round. I should have, would have been memorable. He seemed down to earth to me and not arrogant at all, and he and his caddie actually liked each other. It was a great moment, and he will always be my favorite golfer. He finished tied for fourth that year. RIP
And that's why you have 1 pilot always don the mask with an auto-oxygen feeder system (like O2D2) when you're going to climb that high, this has happened more than a few times now. All I know is I don't care if it's "unpopular" if I'm having to climb as high, I'm putting on the mask and setting my oxygen monitor to auto, just in case.
02 mask's in these jets have 100% and dilute. On a part 135 flight one crew member is required to wear a mask above FL350. Usually we switched off every 15 minutes due to wearing the mask continuously is hard on your skin where it seats. Usually if you have been breathing 100% 02 for a while even when you have the mask off you will not go hypoxic as fast as if you had not been wearing and breathing 02. Rumor has it in the corporate aviation community that the 02 bottle was actually turned off before take off. In this case if you were to need it you would be dead before you could do anything about it. My company redesigned out checklists to include a 10,000 pressurization and 02 pressure/mask check. I was a copilot at the time on a Hawker 800. The captain I was flying with and I decided to see how many squeezes of the 02 mask buttons we could get before the 02 quit flowing with the bottle turned off (of course we did this in the safety of a maintenance hanger)... we found that we could get at least 4, however the 02 pressure gauge was also in a place where we could keep an eye on it... it dropped. So anytime we flew after that we would squeeze the triggers on the masks for a good 30 seconds each to make sure no one had messed with out bottle valve.. which we could not access in flight. I will say that every airplane I've typed in also had us put on our masks first and foremost before doing anything else... and I've had to do it at least once for a in flight electrical fire. On a side note, the oxygen bottle in a Learjet is in the nose on this model... the only label on the valve is which way to turn it off... if someone had seen the arrow and not read the fine print they might have thought they were turning it on when in fact they were turning it off. Sorry for the ramble, typing this on a very small cellphone keypad
Curious how in 1999 a non-responsive Learjet breaking thru its assigned altitude gets an immediate USAF fighter response, inspection, and cross-country escort with multiple handoffs, but in 2001 the entire response system is a mix of crickets and being completely flummoxed in response to 4+ commercial airliners going rogue. And how did a Learjet going vertical into the ground at nearly supersonic speeds leave more debris than two 757/767's? Weird, huh?
@@Jeff-bv1ek You may want to look up the definition of "conspiracy". Regardless of how it was carried out, what happened on 9/11/2001 was the product, by definition, of a conspiracy. It is then only a matter of choosing which conspiracy "theory" you wish to believe, either the one proposed by the government, or an alternate one.
I had the opportunity to meet Bruce Borland, the golf architect with the Jack Nicklaus golf course design company, when working on the Nicklaus course on Lake of The Ozarks, in Missouri. This was just a few weeks before the fatal flight. According to published reports, Borland had never met Stewart before the flight and was invited aboard at the last minute because he was unable to catch a commercial flight. I remember him as very young in appearance and very polite. Today there is a memorial to him on the 18th hole of the Ozark Nicklaus course.
I’m pretty sure this is the Stewart plane. I’ve seen the video that talks the story. And this is at least the jet that in that video! When I first saw the 2 jets (military & civilian) thatwas my thought, “That’s the Stewart vid” being the description in tital was vague
I was trained in the High Altitude Chamber, was properly suited and went to 65,000' We prepared the U-2 pilots, suited them up in a partial pressure suit, PUT THEM ON OXYGEN FOR ONE HOUR, to defeat the bends at 70,000' plus, at 18,000' you get Hypoxia if not on oxygen and at 63,000' your blood will boil in your not in the right suit, and these pilots went over 72,000' routinely on their missions. They were very instrumental in detecting armament build-up by Russia in Cuba, during the 1960's "Cuban Crisis" These aircraft were built in the early 50's & are used to monitor activity in the middle east and Korea. I made two trips to Viet Nam in support of this aircraft! David from Texas
This is the story of golfer Payne Stewart's tragic Lear Jet crash IN 1999. So sad, because there was nothing anyone could do! Hypoxia can be a very insidious situation, pilots usually breathe a bit faster when they are flying, despite being relaxed, and at high altitude, despite pressurization, the O2 level may be less. Usually both pilots should have a sense of something wrong, but may be too "foggy" to realize what it is but that's where communication is invaluable -- if you "feel odd" say something, and put on the O2 mask IMMEDIATELY, even if you don't think you have a problem. Way too many accidents have occurred due to low blood oxygen, which CAN CREEP UP ON YOU without you realizing what may be wrong. Don't take chances, don the mask and descend!
"Do a troubleshoot checklist before putting an Oxygen mask on" - that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Whoever made that original rule is nuts, I'm glad they changed it.
Most likely written by someone who has never flown.
@@Suisfonia No kidding. Hypoxia starts to set in within seconds depending on altitude and severity of pressure loss. Can't believe anyone would not suggest putting on an Oxygen mask as one of the first steps in an Emergency...
Also, if I were a pilot I wouldn't care if the checklist doesn't tell me to don my mask in first place, I would do that before any other thing.
Butchie are you complaining about N95 or less non law?
Rule number 1 as a passenger, bring a portable oxygen concentrator on flight and have on even if things are going well.
And yes you can have portable concentrators on a plane, just can't take canisters.
Oh my I would have hated to be one of those f16 pilots. The feeling of helplessness must have been terrible. May God bless all involved.
Wilson Hallman at that point they were clearly all dead already. The only thing they are concerned with is other plains in the area and possibly minimizing the damage to the area on the ground it would contact. If it was heading toured a highly populated area around the time it would run out of fuel, they would have to shoot it down.
i definitely would have cried for them...
@@badbatch974 he's talking about the military F-16 pilots who were helpless and had to watch it go down.
well it seems god forgot about the passengers no blessing there'
@@shots2 Life--or death--goes on beyond this brief temporal existence. Whether or not you accept that, why not just allow the poster to make a respectful, compassionate expression of sympathy toward those lost and their surviving families, rather than being a dick about it?
after someone looses access to oxygen it only takes minutes for them to get permanent brain damage and death. it's safe to assume that by the time the first fighter jet had intercepted the plane everyone onboard was already dead.
You are most likey correct
not necessarily. brain dead maybe, Coma. but still with a pulse. their cause of death is most likely from impact trauma
Ahmed Mohammed uhmmm Brain death is the ultimative death. No pulse can be revived whereas brain death is irreversible
Clay yeah.. might as well be a vegetable when your brain dead
Dr Earnhardt Loses*
I remember this tragedy very well. He was on his way to another golf tournament when this accident occurred. He left behind a wife and 2 little ones that day. Those who haven’t seen what his fellow golfers did to honor him, need to watch it. Truly breath taking. RIP Payne Stewart, I know there are all the great golf courses you could imagine where you are playing now!
The holy Golf Course of Heaven...
@@subnautiking8370 our lady of the perpetual fairway
Where ? Where are these golf courses? You cannot be serious?
This is the Payne Stewart plane?
@@bobbonj1171
yes
Basically the equivalent of saying "Before donning your spacesuit, first make absolutely sure that there is no atmosphere in space"
Exactly
So now flight crews have to put on their masks first. "Every safety rule is written in the blood of someone else."
Like that ALASKA AIRLINE FLIGHT from Mexico with the stripped threads on the elevator motor. It is so comforting to know 89 passengers and crew did not die in vain. By golly maintenance received a memo to inspect and grease the damn part that could bring down an entire plane in flight. Well done corporate negligence
quicker to say "regulations are written in blood."
Sad but true.😔
It’s INCREDIBLY STUPID to not have that rule ….SINCE the BEGINNING of FLIGHT!!!
I was always amazed that O2 on was NOT the first thing on checklists after depressurizing. I had trouble climbing mountains at 10000 ft. I can only imagine how difficult it is to fly a plane with that little O2 in your body.
and 10,000 ft are usually the standard descent altitude for aircraft if they encountered unrecoverable depressurized cabin. So basically, they can breath but probably still gasping for it.
AGREED AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY i CANT GET ON THESE TYPES OF PLANCE BEACSUE i HAVE SICKLE CELL TRAIT
I'll always remember this. My sister and I were at the lake in Watertown, SD.I was working around the garage and she came out from the house with a newer set of binoculars. She heard the call on the scanner about this plane. It was flying southwest of us and she spotted it and the fighters. We watched it until it went out of range, later we heard on the news that it crashed.
Stop
At my previous company, where I flew Lear 24's and 25's, the owner's girlfriend and two company pilots had died in a similar manner as Payne Stewart years before I started working there. If I remember correctly, the pilots had forgotten to turn on the supplemental oxygen bottle during preflight and they had a loss of cabin pressure at altitude. In the old Learjets, the access panel for the supplemental oxygen bottle was located on the outside of the airplane near the nose and the knob had to be opened before flight. There was no way to turn it on in flight if someone forgot. It was a major design flaw of early model Learjets and has killed more than a few people.
Only a moron could have designed such a system. There should have been at least then a warning light to warn that the supplemental oxygen was not available. Who designs these things? Do they not have that little thing called common sense in their resume?
What kind of checklist tells you to troubleshoot before saving yourself from hypoxia...? Who wrote that checklist!?
AOC did
Maybe the writer of the check list was suffering from hypoxia?
Step #1 Trouble shoot the problem
Step #2 put on your mask
Step #3 Potato...SMACK (sound of head hitting desk as they pass out)
@@1finebattle hahahahahahahaha!
@@1finebattle Oh for Christ's sake. Are you that prejudiced that you have to make everything that goes wrong about the "blacks" and "Hispanics". You guys have shot right past hysterical to just plain F@@king Insane!
AOC again? that girl is nasty, never done anything good.
I remember the day this happened. I was a big Payne Steward fan and when they said the plane they send up saw all were passed out on the plane, it was heart breaking. So was the funeral for him with the bag pipes. RIP all passengers.
I remember this; at least they had a painless passing, may they rest in peace.
Some one it’s literally like falling asleep
Some one it’s extremely painless, and you wouldn’t even feel anything. 1 second you are awake, and one second you aren’t.
phat bill dude for real?
I think quickly dying in a firey explosion would be less painless then suffocating.
@@ChickenJoe788 You're mixing up suffocating with hypoxia. You pass out, feel light headed, may even giggle. It's not like suffocating.
I remember listening to this on the radio as it happened. Such a sad and eerie feeling to know that the plane was still in the air and was doomed.
I still remember when this happened, because that day my dad was working a shift as an air traffic controller at the Sioux Falls, South Dakota airport. I'm not exactly sure about just how involved he was in this incident, but I think he was pretty close to it, because he was questioned by the people conducting the investigation.
No one cares about your dad. Stfu
All ATC controllers are questioned irregardless of responsibility - its part of protocol.
Death by oxygen deprivation (hypoxia) can come in as little as 10 minutes sometimes less. The fighter pilots observed icing on the windows. At that altitude those on the aircraft must have been exposed to extremely cold temperatures. Survival under all those conditions wouldn't have been possible for long at all. I guess thats the only merciful thing , knowing all on board went out painlessly. They were most likely unconscious before they even knew what hit them, and surely deceaced before impact. Still incredibly sad though R.I.P to all onboard.
Wrong, actually, extreme cold helps to keep you alive with very little oxygen....There are people who will spend over 15 minutes down in very cold water... and the only reason they can do it it is because the water is so cold...
@@Trikipum Pretty much what happened to the British Airways pilot that got sucked out of the window mid-flight.
@@Trikipum Not for 3 hours + on autopilot, wtf are you talking about.
@@Infi1337 May I ask a question? I’m NOT a pilot. If it was in autopilot as I believe it was; why did it divert so far north to SD from Orlando fl? I think it was bound for Texas. I’m ignorant to how much control AP has in terms of maintaining a course. I assumed it could actually maintain flight path and land at the airport. Again, I have zero clue. Thanks
A couple of interesting facts about this tragedy
1) it reached reached a maximum altitude of 48,900 feet
2) LearJet was not held responsible, which is disgusting considering that it was they who put the fatal flaw in the training manual
wouldn't it have stalled at that altitude?....
@@leelaural It depends on the ascent. If it was not a rapid, but gradual, ascent it would have had enough time to calibrate air-fuel mixture and balance itself out accordingly. It would be chewing through fuel like a motherfucker that high up though.
@@leelaural It stalled then picked up airspeed in the descent causing it to climb back up and then stall as it lost airspeed. This cycle continued repeatedly
@coleawtrey9375: You’re talking about a phugoid cycle. But that didn’t happen here. It flew straight & level (even at that altitude), before running out of fuel and then spiralling down.
Such a sad day, for both, the aviation and the sports community. As a pilot and an avid golf enthusiast, this was one day I will never forget.
So strange! I know at the end they mention the emergency check list which apparently instructed the pilots to try and solve the problem before putting on supplemental Oxygen but I can't believe, the Air Force veteran pilot anyway, would follow that given the extensive training all AF pilots and crew go through--each going through training in the Altitude Chamber. An experience none of us who go through ever forget.
If you have to Die in a plane crash this would be the best scenario.. No final minutes of terror.. still sad though..
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You understand this is a game, right?
Raede What are you referring to?
Mike Whipkey you’re watching a game simulation... not actual events 🤦♂️
Raede Yes I'm aware of that.. This is a detailed recreation of what happened on this flight
This was so well produced, I could not stop myself from watching it. Thank you "TheFlightChannel" for your efforts.
Lose the Chinese subtitles.
@M Detlef Production has several definitions but the relevant ones might be "The action of making or manufacturing from components or raw materials, or the process of being so manufactured."
"The process of or management involved in making a film, play, or record.
‘the film was still in production’ "
You can also refer to production as the technical aspects of creation.
Even cartoons have to be produced (created).
You're welcome :)
Best wishes,
I remember this happening! Payne Stewart was a great golfer and was very popular on the pro tour - He was missed I can tell you that.
Once in a while when i am watching a golf tournament on tv , i will see a golfer wearing a very colourful pair of socks like Payne was famous for, he was well liked always so i like to see that nice gesture.
Definitely couldn’t handle the pressure though!
@@phil2003ashleigh Or in this case, the lack thereof.
@@phil2003ashleigh ARSEOLE
Alan Halton you did kinda have that one coming
I was living in Huron,SD when Payne Stewart’s plane flew over my home...dozens of people (including myself) watched helplessly below praying for a miracle! I’ll never forget that as long as I live!
I was lucky enough to go through a USAF pressure chamber. They took us up to 29,000 and we had a pad of paper and a pencil to take a simple math test, adding, subtracting, multiplication, and division. The instructions were to test until told to don our mask. When the pressure seal was broken the room filled with fog for about 2 seconds then went clear. My breath was sucked out and I could not breathe. I started the simple tests and at 15 seconds I could not write, and I had tunnel vision. At 20 seconds the Pressure Chamber Commander told me to don my mask. I said ok but could not move my hands. At 25 seconds he told me again, and at 30 seconds HE PUT MY MASK ON MY FACE. My vision came back quickly. I will never forget that event. Now, anytime the other pilot leaves the flight deck, we have to don the mask at 100% Oxygen flow. To this crew I say RIP. The Lear does NOT have quick Oxy donning masks. They are under the seat, unplugged. To get the quick donning masks is an extra charge, but well worth it.
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Glynn Knox thank you for sharing your experience it helps gain a better understanding for most of us that don’t know. Tragic event😔
Glynn, I experienced the same thing in the USN chamber. All we had to do was put shaped blocks in the correctly shaped hole. I only got two blocks in before confusion set in and nothing made sense.
I watched video of the Air Force guys in the pressure chamber . Tic Tac Toe. Patty cake. When they drop the Oxygen it was comedic. It didnt take long
the film officer and gentleman has a pressure chamber scene
This taught me that if I'm ever in a plane that's going down after the masks have dropped, I should take mine off so I can just get a little buzzed then pass out while everyone else is screaming.
Pure oxygen will get you high
I know this is a joke, but you may not have the motor function left to put the mask back on
Holy shit your profile picture captures the irony
Rip skyking
By that time you would’ve reached a breathable altitude. So you wouldn’t get any buzz. BTW the cabin oxygen is not pure, but mixed.
Exactly
Why am i watching this at the airport, while waiting for my flight ?
Scary stuff
After having watched dozens of crash reenactments on this channel, somehow I have found more curiosity about flying and feel safer about it in general. Humans are a strange bunch. Hope your flight was calm and safe. :)
Same reason people ride roller coasters. Scary = fun
the question here is, are you alive?
@@catsyoongi680
No response back yet 😅
Exactly 20 years ago today.. rest in peace❤️
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maybe rest in pieces
No 21 years
Nicole Millner it will be 21 years this October. OP was talking about last October 2019 when it would have been 20 years.
@@shots2 🖕🏼
I saw the documentary on this with his wife and kids and showing him playing tournaments. Very sad indeed
name of it?
cruel or filthy - can't tell
The pilots had minimal experience and knowledge when it comes to the Lear 35. Both pilots failed to recognize that the oxygen was in the off position while conducting their preflight inspection. The O2 bottle was located in the nose section and on the co-pilots side of the aircraft. I used to fly the 35 but it’s been a few years. I sort remember there being an issue with the labeling on the O2 bottle and if a pilot was not properly briefed on this issue, it was often overlooked. There were other important factors but this one was one of the biggest. Pretty sad
S K Riiiiight, cause Pakistani pilots are the “cream of the crop”. FOH. 😂
@@USMC1997 😆
I rate Pakistani pilots a 9 out of 11
It's strange that you have knowledge of the flight that even the NTSB don't have.
@@krashd Yes, I'm wondering how he could have access to that information. I can believe he has evidence that the pilots lacked adequate experience with the Lear 35 but his second sentence would appear to be merely speculation, even if it's a plausible explanation for the disaster.
There was a similar issue in Sri Lanka long time back where Upali Wijewardane, an International Sri Lankan businessman and his associates were lost in Malacca Straight in his Learjet. No trace yet.
Huh, the strait isn't that deep, only 656 ft/200m. No aircraft parts have washed up on beaches?
Man, that was hard. To think what was going through the other pilots minds and not able to help.
A truly sad and chilling story. When you look at the news coverage of this, it’s truly creepy but more so heartbreaking. Wonderful recreation TFC as always
Angrybirds 3452,
I'm totally, completely CHILLED.
Tracy McGrady bought his former home (Mr. Stewart) and said to his shock, some classic outfits were still in the wardrobe. Perhaps the family wanted to unload some of his stuff as a way to grieve. RIP.
Loved his plus fours! Total style!
I worked security at the community Stewart lived in. He used to wave at me on his way out every day. I was devastated to hear of this happening to him
Which community?
@@RK831 Isleworth I think or Lake Nona....many PGA golfers live there.
He was my favorite golfer. Picked him to with the US Open in 1999 after losing undeservedly in the previous year when his short put on 18 lipped out and went off the green at Olympic club (bad course management). I was at Pinehurst to watch that year for a few days. Shame he had so little time to savor that win and defend his championship. Great man.
A very riveting video and a heartbreaking ending, but excellently presented. I only pray that the passengers and crew were unable to feel the crash because of having passed out or having passed on earlier in the flight. R.I.P.
This is so scary. It's like the flight from Greece, I believe, that had the same issue of everyone on board suffering from hypoxia.
do you mean helios 522?
Did you mean helios 522?
Helios 522 was scary when I watched simulation, rip Helios 523
P.s yes it is indeed Helios 522 that have the same accident of Hypoxia
Helios 522 was that plane. Don't also ask me why it's called 'ghost plane!'
@@akiplayz9374 I know one of the most scariest plane crashes I've heard of it like scraped a hill or something like that ☹️😬
If am gonna die in a jet crash, this is the 'best' way.
Quietly fall asleep never to awaken..totally unaware of all the drama and expected crash that
surely would be coming.
I'm a bit scared of flying but I have always been fascinated by airplanes. Ironically, watching your channel and the recreation of the accidents helps me out to be less scared of flying. Probably is because I get to see in detail the causes for these accidents are very rare and extreme. It has also helped me understand a little more how an airplane is controlled and operated and that, I have a fascination for. Also, the animations, the way the story is presented, the pacing, the respect for the casualties when saddly they are due, are all fantastic factors that keep these videos very entertaining.
Check out also captain joe or mentour pilot channels...
@@mravecsk1 I have seen captain Joe, funny guy and also have learned a lot from him. :)
@@mravecsk1 M.P. - Greetings from Hamburg - Airbus.
P.S. Yes i agree with you.
Same here
Rodrigo Zamora you have no need to worry SingaporeAirlines is the worlds best airline and safest
One of the sadder things (IMHO) was 1 of the passengers (I believe it was the Golf Course Designer) was offered a ride at the last minute by Payne and he took it. I guess when your time comes, it comes full force. R.I.P. Payne and to all who were on the aircraft..
I doubt I will ever forget that day. I turned on tv and found one of the news networks carrying the story. I didn’t hear of Payne Stewart being onboard for a few minutes. He was, after Fred Couples, my favorite golfer. He was a special person and always seemed kind and polite. It was shocking to listen to the story unfold to its inevitable conclusion. It will be 20:yrs soon and he is still very much missed by thousands of golfers and non-golfers.
Payne Stewart was a good guy..honest and true
I still remember the day that Payne Stewart died. My dad and I had just got home from playing a round of golf. It was the first time I had beat him. We came in and my mom was crying and she told us his plane had crashed.
@@rjgray17 , 😢
He was temperamental from what I read about him. He became a Christian and he became easier to get along with.
Another great video of a very tragic event for anyone who loves both flying and golf. If I had the choice; dying from hypoxia is about the least painful way. I look forward to each Friday. It's payday and there's always a new video from the flight channel!
A steep dive into the ground or water at 500-600 mph is most certainly painless. Imagine a roach run over by a semi.
I remember, this tragic event, and even watched the Funeral on the Golf Channel. This was crazy. Great video.
I remember this incident, it had Payne Stewart on the plane and the fighter pilots had to follow the aircraft and watch it crash.
I recall when this happened. The media had indicated that sudden loss of pressure and hypoxia was the probable cause. Knowing the inevitable outcome several hours before the eventual crash was surreal.
I remember this when it was happening in real time at work, we were all waiting for the crash to occur, so sad RIP!
Very sad, I remember this incident. Seems incredible that getting oxygen masks on wasnt the checklist priority rather than find the problem.
You don't notice hypoxia until you're weak and or unconcious.
Or you just pass out before you even feel anything. When it’s a slow leak like this you would never even know. Just pass out and that’s it. No reason to do checklist or mask because to you your fine
You'd think the cabin would have auto dropped masks for the passengers. (as in the Helios ghostplane crash)
I remember reading about a private pilot who survived an incapacitation case (carbon monoxide, I think, not depressurization) because he had the autopilot set to "wing leveler" only and not altitude hold. The plane was trimmed for essentially level flight, but once he became incapacitated the plane began descending gradually. The plane crashed essentially wings level on the ground but the pilot survived once he "came to." It's an old story and I think it was a Piper Comanche. I've wondered since then if other flights could have been saved if the plane was able to descend on its own if the pilots were incapacitated, either automatically or because of a gradual descent because of using "wing leveler" only.
crazy!
Truly amazing editing, content...
By seeing your videos my aviation knowledge has increased drastically .....
Absolutely my fav channel
Thanks a lot man, I really appreciate 😊😊
Twenty years ago and it is still heartbreaking to follow this narration.
You have covered only the factual report here and not gotten to the real flaw. I worked in a company in Central Florida that provided air transportation for many individuals and companies in the area. We provided flights for Payne Stewart prior to his changing to the company that ultimately provided his last flight. There are a lot of factors you will not find in the NTSB's final report. This is such a tragedy on many different levels.
Mr. Stewart's manager was notorious for trying to get free or reduced rates for the use of private jets for himself and his clients, and while being thrifty is fine, putting your safety at risk is not prudent. The operators of the jet used for this flight were known to cut corners resulting in a lower margin of safety. They also used aircraft that were made before the statue of repose, which means there would be no ability to sue the manufacturer.
When trying to find an aircraft and company to provide safe and cost efficient travel, certain assumptions are made by the public. That all companies are the same. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of the time, there are no problems when it all goes right, but when the day comes and it all falls apart, who would you rather count on. The skilled professional aviators or those who do the minimum and cut corners.
In operating a complex jet aircraft there are specific realities. The debt service for a particular aircraft is the same for all. The cost of fuel is within a few pennies a gallon. As for flight personnel and maintenance, these are where you can cut corners by under reporting and under performing scheduled maintenance. As to pilot training, there are those that will not accept a sub par aircraft to fly and those who do not train to the highest standard, but just enough to qualify.
Not long before the final flight I received a call late in the evening, from the manager inquiring about changing the flight for the next day's flight. I reminded him that we were not doing his trip. He had called me on several occasions, forgetting we weren't flying them any longer, so I asked why they had decided to leave us. He said that he had to consider the costs and that we had always done a good job. In the end he said that he was saving $300 per hour in flight costs. I asked him to consider the realities of jet operational costs and where could that money be cut out without jeopardizing safety. I won't share his answer but in hindsight I think we know the outcome.
To my own personal knowledge, the operator had what I must say was an unusual approach to Air Charter. As happens from time to time, your aircraft are over booked and you will have to reach out to another operator to cover a trip. In one such example we asked for a quote from the same operator. It was a trip from KORL Orlando Executive to TXKF Bermuda. We agreed on terms and aircraft, and that included airworthiness and equipment to perform the journey over water with safety gear as well.
The aircraft and crew that appeared moments before expected departure was far from being legal for the flight to my ramp much less to a distant runway several hundred miles over water. As I made my inspection for release, the first red flag was the Captain appeared to be about 90 years old looking like an un-made bed with food in the corners of his mouth. The co-pilot appeared to be less then 15, and had less than 1000 total time and 10 in type. No 135 papers or check ride, which is required. It gets worse, The aircraft had a pink slip, or temporary owner registration, also illegal from ops outside the US. There was no long range Navigational equipment. And even more telling the supplemental Oxygen bottle was empty. I told them politely they would not be needed and they should return to base. I called the operator who was incensed, and I reminded him he had not met the agreement and there would no compensation. He threatened all manner of woes, and I simply suggested that we get his FAA inspector on the phone in a 3 way and settle it. Well that put it to rest.
These are some of the reasons I know that when getting on an airplane, you must do your homework or find someone you trust who knows how to vet potential operators.
I won't say all I know here, but you now have some clues as to what caused the untimely and unnecessary death of several of Golf's brightest minds
Further study NTSB Report on crash of N47BA
jagjet - Interesting story--thanks for taking the time to relay it here. While I know almost nothing about airflight, wouldn't putting on an oxygen mask in the cockpit *First* within the first seconds during an emergency be covered in Piloting 101? Even passengers should know to do that ASAP. Do you think it was arrogance/overconfidence or something of that nature?
Also, could you explain why it is that this "hypoxia" is able to set in so quickly, incapacitating people like within ten seconds (??), when some individuals are able to hold their breath for a minute or more? My cousin was a recreational scuba diver during his younger years; and he could hold his breath underwater for three minutes. Or is there something that I'm missing here?
@@ThatClassic70sGirl It is my contention that the crew failed to engage the pressurization system after take off. The climb to altitude that would have rendered them incapacitated would have seemed like slow motion to them. Holding your breath for 3 minutes and then having nothing to replace it would even speed the onset, as there would be no rapid recovery as at sea level. I spent a great deal of time and expense to bring my own level of understanding and skill set to overcome such problems. And Yes, a well trained and skilled aviator should first get his own mask on and then assist others. Lear Jet got thumped by the FAA and the NTSB because their aircraft was not updated properly as knowledge and time progressed. The Lear family of high performance jets were first sold without having specific model training. You could go from a light piston twin to a Lear and the initial results were many people found themselves over their heads on the way to the crash site. Type ratings were started to save people from their own overconfidence and unscrupulous dealers.
Talking to other crew members and mechanics from the operator, it seemed that filling the Emergency Oxygen bottle on their jets was too costly. When one pilot complained he was told was he was dropped down the order in rotation, until he stopped worrying about such things.
The Captain on this flight was a relatively experienced pilot, but had very few hours in the type. The co pilot was not rated in the type and had very low experience in all types. She had made the rounds of all local operators, and expressed in interest in building time at any cost. I will leave that to your imagination. Indelicate but a reality in the industry.
The bottom line is when an operator is more interested in money and not safety, the conditions are right for less than desirable outcomes. This group was known to the FAA nd the NTSB for other incidents that should have been red flags for further investigation before the tragedy mentioned above.
Hope that helps.
Ok
@@ThatClassic70sGirl A SCUBA diver should NEVER hold their breath under water, especially if transiting vertically. Skin divers (spearfishers etc) can do it of course
@@68404 He was not scuba diving at the time - only practicing biofeedback techniques while swimming in an eight-foot chlorinated pool. What I was trying to say is that given some people's ability to hold their breath for longer than average times, I'm uncertain how a reduced ratio of oxygen (as contrasted with a complete lack of oxygen) in the upper atmosphere/plane cabin can totally incapacitate someone within just a mere few seconds. It seems like it would take several minutes before hypoxia would set in.
I’m no scientist but I wish planes could have like a massive parachute or something that could lower the plane down safely without any deaths in a case of a emergency
A thought was probably givin to that, but then another thought crossed their minds..... "THINK OF THE COST"!!!!!
Guess what..... On you tube you can find a video that has a design of that
I know you’re probably not referring to this exact situation, but the passengers were probably dead due to lack of oxygen
@@okayxela1138 hey I'm on that right now
lego stop-motion and tutorial productions lol yup, I thought it was really interesting
"The Payne Stewart Story" tells a much different story of the cause of the depressurization and the problem with some mechanical part of the system, also the group had changed from their regular charter and this co. had a maintenance issue with this jet. It's quite a good book about his life, career, and this tragic end.
Marvin is correct. It's an amazing book. Highly recommend it.
Forgot about that, now that you say it.
This channel is amazing, I have been binge watching all day !
Awesome video as always! Your research and recreation is amazing! The plane that just crashed in the java sea reminded me of your channel. I'm sure you wont be able to do a video on it anytime soon, but watching the news and hearing all the reporters ask why would a brand new plane crash, reminded me that a lot of things can and do happen. Perhaps in the future you will be able to make a video about. Anyways thanks for all your hard work!
RIP to Payne and all on board.
His brother in law is Aussie golfer and former pga tour professional and major winner Wayne Grady.
I remember this sad flight. Payne was two weeks younger than me and a helluva golfer. Hard to believe 20 years have passed since his and the other plane victims' deaths.
RIP Payne Stewart, the other passengers and Crew.
Ian Hamilton oh that’s who it was. Thanks for writing his last name. I couldn’t remember the famous golfer with first name of Payne. RIP all aboard this craft.
Ian Hamilton He was a really nice man. I remember an idiot on the news saying that they were going to have to shoot it down, unneeded information really. Mr Payne Stewart and his plus 4s.
Although I was only a casual fan of golf, there was a time when I had really started watching the sport because of all people, Payne Stewart and his style of golf and the clothes he wore! I took time to read more about Payne Stewart and losing him at the height of his career was devastating to even the most casual of golfers. A well liked gentleman and someone who many looked up to. Rest in Peace Payne Stewart!
Unbelievable how fast you can become incapacitated without even realizing it. Another great video tfc, thanks for sharing.
@ Zoe TheCat LOL, mine told me to count down from 10. I remember 9....
66lwmorgan. Whats great about a video that shows people heading for the ground and their deaths??
@@michaelmacluskie6089 I think they're referring to the technical excellence and production values of the video, not the incident itself.
Michael Macluskie obviously about the video production and channel, dunce.
Not much Oxygen at 36000 ft. You will pass out quickly.
I know nothing about flying, but even I was astounded to learn that the pilots were instructed to try to solve the pressure-drop problem first before donning their oxygen masks. I really cannot believe that such a rule even exists : it's sounds insane.
Yes agree .But at least if one pilot put on a mask it would have made sense.
At least the hypoxia would mean they didn't suffer inside the plane, like the Helios plane.
YA
When I heard about the Helios plane crash I had night mares it was so scary
Would they have awoken on the descent?
Awoken on the descent !? They were dead like 10 minutes into the flight ....
Oh, I thought they were just unconscious. Thanks for the reply ...
This must have been very hard on the F16 pilots to watch.
Yet those F16 pilots really lucked out. If the plane was heading for a populated area they would have been ordered to shoot it down. Shooting down innocent civilians over your own homeland could have been a rough pill to swallow. Luckily the plane was allowed to crash on its own in a nonpopulated area.
@Stephon TheDon remember, never go full nigga, dawg.
It probably wasn’t too difficult for them to watch it. The fighter jets are very maneuverable and can easily out run a Learjet. They probably had no problem getting a front row seat to see all of the action.
@@hellonwheels9149 get a job, son
@Daniel Lungu says the child
RIP PAYNE STEWART, YOU ARE MISSED!!
what about the pilots? Just because the golfer is more famous does not mean he is any more important than everyone else on the plane.
I submit it was, indeed, a pressurization issue. Autopilot corrected for some sort of massive decompression, or the oxygen system just stopped working. One of the two. May all those aboard now rest...
John Sauerbrun Not at all. I am a retired Learjet Captain, I have 9,000 hours in Learjet from the 23 to the 55 series . I also instructed in the aircraft for a year. The copilot turned off the oxygen bottle and never turned on the pressurization system. The cabin will hold 5,000 ft until about 15 or 20 thousand feet then it starts to go higher once the outflow valve is opened it’s fairly fast. I actually flew this aircraft several times it was a tight ship. This is totally the copilots fault. The FAA correction was to change the knob on the oxygen bottle to say ON when it was turned on instead of off with an arrow pointing the direction to turn the system off and change the color from black to green so the FAA & inexperienced pilots could easily see the modified knob. Additionally, the warnings were reset to 10,000 ft the pressurization was off. The switch was found locked in the off position.This aircraft also made a low pass in Sioux Falls South Dakota before crashing, everyone expected it to land but it did not. I was there and witnessed it. The national guard at Sioux Falls followed the aircraft until it finally crashed. This was indeed a very tragic event.
D H Sorry but it was the copilot in this particular Lear 35 the oxygen tank was in the tail not in the nose of the ac. Remember I flew this bird and the ntsb questioned me and several of my friends about the aircraft. The modification to the control knob was sadly referred to as the Payn Stewart mod. Unfortunately it was a very common mistake. I was shown by a senior captain how not to mistake the valve off when it was supposed to be on. My company required pilots to free flow the O2 mask for 2 minutes to verify the bottle was in as it would stop flowing after 1 minute if it was turned off. It is part of the post flight that the crew turn off the O2 bottle to prevent leaking and preflight to turn it back on. Yes the aircraft was serviced but it is the responsibility of the flight crew to turn on the oxygen, so by not confirming the oxygen was on the captain is equally responsible. Here is the flight safety report they got the oxygen bottle position wrong. flightsafety.org/ap/ap_apr01.pdf.
As you read sadly she forgot to turn on the blead air switch’s and the Oxygen. I have to admit I did this once while on a reposition flight thank god it was a short flight but when the alarms went off the Captain I was flying with started laughing and agreed I’d never forget to torn them on again. He knew they were off. I reset them and we continued the flight.
I suspect that you are, indeed, delusional. In order for you to claim that you know (submit) what happened, you must believe, in your mind, that you were on that flight, to make such a claim. Or you're on psychotropic medication ...
First Last ----Learn to read, sir.
I am going to purchase a Cessna sky coriander when get the commercial pilot license
I don't want to be late for every video uploaded. Good hardwork. Very Realism Flight Simulator and making 4K Resolution is not easy. Good job
Is it possible that one of the passengers may have had just enough mental clarity to realise what was happening and if so imagine his horror. May they all R.I.P.
I was working on the Lear 85 back in 2008. I was told that particular aircraft had had a non authorized non oem valve installed in the cabin ecs/pressurization system. According to the LearJet people, pressurization likely never occurred and they went straight into hypoxia in a gradual slide.
Yes, the same was explained about 20 posts higher. Do a Ctrl+F for the word set-up
This was a tragic horrible crash. It broke my heart to watch. I hope they never knew they were going to crash. I hope this never happens again.
Just came across this vid, I watched it take off that day, just so happened to be catching a flight.
Just saw this Video brings back sad memories of my client Capt Frank H. Kratzer. RIP he died doing what he loved. I stopped flying my Cessna 172. You never know when your time is up enjoy life TODAY!!!
Man I remember this like it was yesterday. Loved Payne Stewart. A true tragedy that should not have happened. Very sad for everyone involved.
Loved him so much that you spelled his name wrong.
@@ShinmaWa1 fixed it, feel better?.
I'm from Payne Stewart"s neck of the woods. I heard rumors that they had problems with leakage in a window during the previous flight. They thought they had it fixed!
love this Channel! ahhh, another great video!!
Thanks a lot!
As always I'm amazed by the quality of these videos. Impressive work!
It’s so surreal... A flying freezer. Point of fact, the air temps at 40,000 feet are routinely -75 degrees Fahrenheit. Extremely cold. The passengers were dead long before the crash, I theorized. That was the horror.
Most likely. Hypoxia and hypothermia killed them, and the plane became a flying coffin.
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I am here following this channel from 11K subs and was eagerly waiting for this video. Thanks The Flight Channel ... Amazing realism and thanks for all the hard work you made !!! 👍👍
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Makes sense, we need air to not only think but to live!!! First things first!!!
Absolutely, Kevin. Airline pilots have their smoke/oxygen masks readily available, hanging behind the captain's left shoulder, the copilot's right. Their emergency checklists, for the presence of smoke, or pressurization problems, call for donning the masks, and turning on their supplemental air/oxygen first, and immediately. It's incredible to me, (Retired airline)that the emergency checklists in any other aircraft with the same equipment, and altitude capability, would be any different.
@@vincesbardella3838 In my line of work we were in pits that could flood with gasses that were colorless and odorless like argon. Needless to say, not only safety equipment but one in the pit, then one out of the pit was always mandatory!
I remember this. What always stuck out in my mind was how Payne Stewart dressed in old style golfer clothing.
This channel is so informative and captivating.
I remember watching the coverage, it was on almost every channel. Viewing it live was creepy as "experts" had surmised that all had passed. Coverage was cut as the plane started to descend.
Stop asking about Lion air 610! They need to investigate the crash first to have information!
I was just wondering when he was going to make a Lion Air video
Do you know when they're going to make a video about the Lion Air incident
@@Vfh........y Months. Even years. Several agencies need to conduct numerous investigations before the incident can be pieced together. Have patience.
ExtRabbit,
What ever happened to common sense...?
@@ivannovotny4552 hey chill. Some viewers are new to Aviation videos and don't realise its not a matter of making a video and copy then paste details. Clearly he has an extremely keen desire to know about what happened but does not know the procedures and time it takes to conclude an investigation of this devistating crash. I am not saying he/she is a millenial but the insistence makes me believe. They usually want answers before a situation has already occurred.
Apparently Tulsa 13 has a fuel tank the size of a grape
A common misconception is that when fighters refuel, they always get a full fuel load. They almost never do. And the first F-16's out of Eglan had to really hustle to catch that Lear by Memphis because it was likely cruising at close to 600mph. That burns a LOT of fuel.
Takes much more fuel to fly at 50K feet too.
@@MW-bi1pi afterburners?
In this incident we lost my favorite Pro Golfer, Payne Stewart.
Mine too. First time I cried about someone I never met that died. Much of that is due to this tragedy.
Mine as well.
I flew from Phoenix to South Dakota on this day, via Denver. While in the Denver airport I was waiting for the plane to South Dakota when it was announced that our flight would be delayed. I asked an airline employee in the terminal if there was a problem and he looked at me with a sad face and just said "yes" and looked away toward the ground. He knew.
Only when I arrived in South Dakota did I find out that the plane was delayed because airspace had to be kept clear until the plane would come down.
@@jeromegoodwin3848 Don't be an asshole, an asshole who is wrong. I didn't make it just about me. I made it about my personal experience with events. People enjoy sharing their experiences relating to events and other people enjoy hearing personal experiences about things relating to stories.
Go back the hole you crawled out of you joyless hack.
I remember that day. It flew over us while I was in flight school.
*OH WOW*
Joe Smith damm son
Did you see the iced windshield and the hypoxia?
Kullinz A we were on the ground
r/Bullshit
I was a marshal in the Michelob Championship at Kingsmill tournament in Virginia the year before (98), and there was a hold up on the green (4th hole), so Payne and his caddie were standing in the fairway with us far away from the gallery, we talked for about ten minutes, they both seemed like really great guys. I was very impressed, most of the pros aren't that nice to the volunteers. He mentioned that this was a tough hole, and I told him he was going to birdie it. After he hits his shot very close to the pin, he turned around and walked over to me and gave me his golf glove (Top Flite) and said if he made that putt he would buy me a drink after the round. He made that putt for birdie, but I never went to the clubhouse after the round. I should have, would have been memorable. He seemed down to earth to me and not arrogant at all, and he and his caddie actually liked each other. It was a great moment, and he will always be my favorite golfer. He finished tied for fourth that year. RIP
And that's why you have 1 pilot always don the mask with an auto-oxygen feeder system (like O2D2) when you're going to climb that high, this has happened more than a few times now. All I know is I don't care if it's "unpopular" if I'm having to climb as high, I'm putting on the mask and setting my oxygen monitor to auto, just in case.
02 mask's in these jets have 100% and dilute. On a part 135 flight one crew member is required to wear a mask above FL350. Usually we switched off every 15 minutes due to wearing the mask continuously is hard on your skin where it seats. Usually if you have been breathing 100% 02 for a while even when you have the mask off you will not go hypoxic as fast as if you had not been wearing and breathing 02. Rumor has it in the corporate aviation community that the 02 bottle was actually turned off before take off. In this case if you were to need it you would be dead before you could do anything about it. My company redesigned out checklists to include a 10,000 pressurization and 02 pressure/mask check. I was a copilot at the time on a Hawker 800. The captain I was flying with and I decided to see how many squeezes of the 02 mask buttons we could get before the 02 quit flowing with the bottle turned off (of course we did this in the safety of a maintenance hanger)... we found that we could get at least 4, however the 02 pressure gauge was also in a place where we could keep an eye on it... it dropped. So anytime we flew after that we would squeeze the triggers on the masks for a good 30 seconds each to make sure no one had messed with out bottle valve.. which we could not access in flight. I will say that every airplane I've typed in also had us put on our masks first and foremost before doing anything else... and I've had to do it at least once for a in flight electrical fire.
On a side note, the oxygen bottle in a Learjet is in the nose on this model... the only label on the valve is which way to turn it off... if someone had seen the arrow and not read the fine print they might have thought they were turning it on when in fact they were turning it off.
Sorry for the ramble, typing this on a very small cellphone keypad
I remember when that happened! It was eerie watching the news as it was happening
May God be with everyone involved that had to deal with this dilema.
Thank you Flight Channel for sharing this. Indeed very very sad. RIP.
Curious how in 1999 a non-responsive Learjet breaking thru its assigned altitude gets an immediate USAF fighter response, inspection, and cross-country escort with multiple handoffs, but in 2001 the entire response system is a mix of crickets and being completely flummoxed in response to 4+ commercial airliners going rogue. And how did a Learjet going vertical into the ground at nearly supersonic speeds leave more debris than two 757/767's? Weird, huh?
Dick Cheney and company...
Sounds like you're both idiots
Question Everything!!!! Spot-On observation!!!! Common Sense!!!! U should be a Cyber Security Analyst.... 💡
Another Conspiracy Clown
@@Jeff-bv1ek You may want to look up the definition of "conspiracy". Regardless of how it was carried out, what happened on 9/11/2001 was the product, by definition, of a conspiracy. It is then only a matter of choosing which conspiracy "theory" you wish to believe, either the one proposed by the government, or an alternate one.
I had the opportunity to meet Bruce Borland, the golf architect with the Jack Nicklaus golf course design company, when working on the Nicklaus course on Lake of The Ozarks, in Missouri. This was just a few weeks before the fatal flight. According to published reports, Borland had never met Stewart before the flight and was invited aboard at the last minute because he was unable to catch a commercial flight.
I remember him as very young in appearance and very polite. Today there is a memorial to him on the 18th hole of the Ozark Nicklaus course.
Nice video as always!
Thanks a lot!
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God bless Payne Stewart, his agents, his architect, and the crew of this plane.
Does the video state this is the very plane that Payne Stewart was on ?
I’m pretty sure this is the Stewart plane. I’ve seen the video that talks the story. And this is at least the jet that in that video! When I first saw the 2 jets (military & civilian) thatwas my thought, “That’s the Stewart vid” being the description in tital was vague
Yes, it has to be. The date lines up.
And his tailor.
I am glad to know that the U.S. has a comprehensive network of fighter planes just minutes away from threat.
Unless it's on 9-11. Then they stand down.
Extremely Hardworking Man !
Love you ...❤❤
I was trained in the High Altitude Chamber, was properly suited and went to 65,000' We prepared the U-2 pilots, suited them up in a partial
pressure suit, PUT THEM ON OXYGEN FOR ONE HOUR, to defeat the bends at 70,000' plus, at 18,000' you get Hypoxia if not on oxygen
and at 63,000' your blood will boil in your not in the right suit, and these pilots went over 72,000' routinely on their missions. They were very instrumental in detecting armament build-up by Russia in Cuba, during the 1960's "Cuban Crisis" These aircraft were built in the early 50's &
are used to monitor activity in the middle east and Korea. I made two trips to Viet Nam in support of this aircraft! David from Texas
This flight is the first time I recall tracking an event on the Internet as it was happening.
This is the story of golfer Payne Stewart's tragic Lear Jet crash IN 1999. So sad, because there was nothing anyone could do! Hypoxia can be a very insidious situation, pilots usually breathe a bit faster when they are flying, despite being relaxed, and at high altitude, despite pressurization, the O2 level may be less. Usually both pilots should have a sense of something wrong, but may be too "foggy" to realize what it is but that's where communication is invaluable -- if you "feel odd" say something, and put on the O2 mask IMMEDIATELY, even if you don't think you have a problem. Way too many accidents have occurred due to low blood oxygen, which CAN CREEP UP ON YOU without you realizing what may be wrong. Don't take chances, don the mask and descend!
This was Payne Stewart's aircraft. One of Golf's greatest.
No, it was chartered from a private company by his manager.
This is now 20 years old and I still remember it as if it were just happening!
Excellent video reconstruction. Reminded me of some airliner carrying so many people which had the same ending.
It was the "Hellios Ghost Flight."