Waff reached out to us over in South East Asia to put on Rollback Rumble Asia just cuz he wanted to. Prize pot and everything. Putting lesser known scenes on the map through his stream is a testament to how much this guy cares, and we appreciate it immeasurably ❤
Out of everyone in melee and smash as a whole, I think waff could write the best memoir of the past of the scene. He has been there for a lot of the events, has a incredibly motivating past, and is just all around a funny guy. I would love to see more books and physical history of the game being recorded and a memoir/ autobiography from some of the top players or community figures would be incredible
HMW is the melee player’s melee player and commentator, his commentary is accessible and accurate, but he is so humble about how excellent he is at this game. An absolute titan for melee and esports at large, who helped carry the scene on his back during its highs and lows for over a decade, so glad to see him join you guys this week
@@Materialist39 without waff there's a good chance none of us would be here today. almost every single one of melee's iconic moments pre-evo were commentated by hmw, I can't imagine how many people have got into melee off the back of things like Wombo Combo
@@Materialist39 -he is so humble -"press 1 if you feel bad for the kid - and im not done yet, IM NOT DONE YET! i told you, press 1 if you feel bad for em" said in a set against hungrybox lol
Hearing Brandon's account of working 2 or 3 jobs while playing at/running tournaments is so inspiring dude. I'm out here working one job and feeling like I don't have time to pursue the shit that I want to do sometimes, but hearing this is a nice pick-me-up frfr, thanks HMW
Want to give thanks to Brandon for everything he's done for the melee community going back to the dark ages. TheWaffle77 og youtube channel helped me through some hard times as a kid. I still think about how much of my love for melee was shaped by yall voices. I'm sure I speak for many of us when I say, thank you Brandon, idk what the melee community would look like without you
As a newer Melee competitive viewer, loved how Waff talked about his hustle in the past participating and contributing to the Melee scene and culture while still working
@@speedysloth I'm a bit confused did I somehow say something that was insulting to you? I'm always down to play anyone anytime so if you just want to play for fun lmk I'm a florida player btw.
I love the marketing toward an older fanbase concept. I mentioned on a new video from gg that this is low key my favorite youtube channel at the moment and I think that is why. You have such a specific audience and are making content for that DEDICATED audience perfectly. The whole melee scene loves what is going on at ggmelee and like, I legit think this is what is going to make melee live forever. It makes me really happy. I am going to come back to this when I, as a melee fan for almost the last decade, finally enter my first melee local because I am getting to an age and a financial status where I have time.
Falco is in such a weird spot. He has so much potential, and he has so many good moves, but has so many downsides as well. Depending on where you are skillwise, you can either be the noob stomping nightmare that gets free combos all day, laser spam to be annoying, and destroys everyone. Or you are playing advanced level players and you are the one getting combo'd and chain grabbed and people are DI/SDI'ing out of all your combos, and you feel like the character is holding you back. Or you are in the top 20 in the world and you are completely dominant with the character and can outshine almost everyone, even your worst matchups. He definitely has the potential, but I believe you have to work really hard with him to make full use of that potential. And the worst part is, an uninformed player who is getting destroyed by the Noob Stomper Falcos, will call that "BS" because "dude he's so easy just dair, laser, and shine lul."
I think outside of top 50 falco is top 3. I inside top 50 falco is somewhere around 4th or 5th best. I think he is the least consistent character. Its really hard to quantify it but anyone that plays the game understands the flow of a match. When the flow is on falcos side he might be the best in the game. When he doesnt have the flow he can get exposed easily. He is akin to a streaky shooter in bball. Some guys can hit 5 3 pointers in a row in a game but then miss the next 5. He has the least consistent punish game of the top tiers. Weak grab follow kind of force a super custom combo oriented style. However that said he still hits very hard and when he gets the ball rolling. At the highest level SDI really kills his punish game and turns the level of difficulty to string moves together up significantly ex( Mango has to read SDI out when he dairs at low percent and dtilt to follow up where shine would miss) these interactions turn a flow chart combo at low level into having to read SDI which is probably unreactable. Falco might be the most popular character to play because of his fun playstyle. Look at unranked slippi filled with birds. He has always been a favorite thru the games history. There is a lot of top foxes that started as falcos. Yet there has never been an abundance of falcos inside the top 20. I think when one of the most popular picks isnt represented at the top 20 very much its pretty solid proof that the char is not as good as tier lists have put him at. Falco is almost always been placed 2-4
It's because falco doesn't have many knock down moves, besides his aerials! Most top tiers have throw knock downs plus a few tilts and aerials. Falco at most has dair and low percent, then ftilt and Bair with some more percent. Falco eventually gets a knock down but he doesn't have many kill options outside of really specific setups that require DI to get out of. But it feels like every kill setup Falco has can both work, and fail depending on how you influence your opponent to DI. It's all about the mix up with the bird
Waff is GOAT'd. Dude's getting rewarded for his efforts now, and I hope he and melee make it even bigger in the years to come. I came into the scene pretty late, but remember hearing in one of the summit streams he put in Tons of time just preserving old melee Vods on VHS tapes n cassettes. Honestly blew my mind how much he cares about melee. Respect that grind and respect him for it.
Brandon made the best point about the Tennis argument. Scale is the biggest factor that the asker overlooked. Sure, at the moment it's easier for a melee player to become a top player that makes a living off the game than tennis, a much larger percent of melee players than tennis players do. However, that's only because of the vast difference in scale. if the number of melee players shot up to a comparable 50-60 million, it is not reasonable to expect the number of "slots" available for players to make a living to increase at the same rate. Likely what would happen is it would cap out around the same 300-500ish max players that could live off of it. Like I'm sure there is a small sport or esport out there with even fewer players than melee and a higher percentage of people making a living, that doesn't mean it would translate if it grew to our size.
I hope to see more Luigi professionals, he's a slow boi at first but if the wave dash is mastered along with some of his chain grabs and combos, and the uppercut, he's scary to fight but hella entertaining. I've been using Luigi for a long time now and I don't want to stop. Once I start playing online I hope to have some fun matches.
"no other good falcos" is such a weird take, and saying "well sure NOW". how about, ever? forward, bombsoldier, pc chris, ppmd, mango, westballz, ginger, bbb, magi, albert. there's almost never been a time where there hasn't been some decent falcos around
This is what my point was, older players are more themselves than the character. From 2013 to 2018 there were two top level solo falcos. That is a fact.
@@speedysloth sleeping on zhu theshizwiz, Larry lurr, squid, Santi, bimbo, frenzy to name a few more “good FALCO’S” thru the years From 2013 - 2018 there was 1 top puff players and that’s a fact... and two TOP Marths And only 1 top peach And also only 2 top falcons
@@hibernate44 Literally contradicting yourself LMAO. shiz was gone by 13, and zhu had super inconsistent results. The rest are borderline top 50, which is the line I draw for "top level" Puff has a reason, she is not fun to play. And the god is a solo main, THE ONLY ONE. Marth had rishi, ppu, and zain & spud and stango later. peach has bladewise, kzhu, llod, polish, macd and falcons? wizzy, none, s2j, cpt. smuckers, and gahtzu were all top 50 by 2017.
@@speedysloth "hey guys, if I examine one precise 4 year period in a 20 year old game's lifespan and ignore today and the entire history of melee around that, falco is definitely underrepresented if you ignore the god player using him during that period and the several other rising newschool falcos who are now currently regularly in top 16" like.. what? your whole argument is "old players don't count because they're old, but new players don't count right now, the only people who count are new players 5 years ago before they were good". how is that an argument?
helping the heart of melee is true love. when i think of melee, i think of #1 hmw, #2 mango, #3 oscar (and i say “oscar” because hmw calls him that!), as a 2007 player and later as a spectator. After those three, everyone else comes in to mind... (but obviously giving money to the (grass)roots is the way to go.
Damn wish I watched live would’ve loved to ask Brandon a question. Easily my favorite person in all of smash community. Mans is a legend. Made the game so digestible for me a decade ago when I was learning
I like what PP said about the community figureheads being the people who help out with the important stuff. M2K posts on the Facebook page for my local scene in some rando city in Ontario telling us about tournaments and stuff all the time, he's done it for years
I'm definitely looking forward to Rollback Rumble: The Big One, but if the 1 qualifier spot ends up going to 5th/6th or 7th/8th place, their qualification definitely won't seem nearly as hype as the Summit 10 post-SCL qualifiers were. It's a lot cooler when someone gets in for being at least top 3 (particularly because there's only one spot up for grabs).
Interesting comment from Gangly - the big question is whether esports organisations can find alternative means to generate revenue in a vastly differing commercial environment. The fact that an organisation with the resources of GG is willing to commit to developing that, is going to be interesting to see unfold.
I love evo because of the outstanding camera work, the venue and such little things like the background of the casters. Having several fgc-omunities is nice, but I think the presentation is the selling point.
For the sports question, you also have to consider that 99% of the time, you need to be 6 feet tall to play in the NBA, so your viability to make a living off basketball is basically over if you are too short. Physical restrictions are so much less apparent in melee/esports compared to sports
I didn't even know the golden guardians were the golden state warriors esports team!! I looked it up when I saw this episode and im so impressed! That's so fucking sick. My 2nd favorite basketball team and my favorite melee team are the SAME TEAM?? (Blazers fan... unfortunately. Yeah that team that picked bowie over M.J. and picked oden over Durant... that's my team...)
well guess I'm registering for The Big One, gotta be a part of the prelude to Summit 11 even if I go 0-2 HELL yea waff, and hell yea GG melee, love y'all
Who else listening to this while playing. Just got a nasty zero to death on this poor falcon. Shout outs to new falcon players. As a sheik main i can't say I've felt that beginner pain. Sheik hard carries the first few chapters.
@@beric0bartman yes and then sheik and falco's rolls exchange after the middle chapters. Late chapters. Sheik is a lot easier and falco becomes tougher. It makes since. Falco has a lot easier punish game whereas sheik against good people can be very hard to tech chase into anything more then 40%
I think the "Shiek has never won a major" argument is really weird. If we had 4 Pikachu solo main players in the top 20, would people be saying the same thing about Marth? Everyone gets a lucky bracket at some point, but nobody is going to say "Zain isn't best in the world because he's never beaten Axe's Pikachu as Marth."
the reason why more people make money off of melee than something like tennis, is because in tennis all the money being generated is going to the corporations instead of the people producing. grassroots, baby.
Not a dig but ... melee isnt more stable than traditional sports lol. But surely that's clickbait and I'll be first to admit you got me xD. Main reason I say this is controller issues, the maintenance of staying competitively viable, and our sense of having so little viable characters (even tho I personally just think people arent really trying to push some 'lower' characters but that's just my perspective) But yeah I also agree falcos overrated ... I just think falco makes learning the game for new comers hell (like for me took me a year+ to even be competitively viable cuz my only practice was someone spamming falco lasers and I hardly knew how to move in game for a while) but past that stage I dont think falco performs well. Though maybe it says more about the people playing the character but I just speak regarding how many play him and how many ACTUALLY place well. It's not many falcos working it compared to most the regarded higher tiers being represented. And I'm not shitting on falcos or on the character it's just what I've noticed. I'll concede tho I dont personally believe much in tier lists to the extent most do. But there is an extent to where you can understand in terms of performance where characters align. But tier lists often dont consider styles or the mentality of the players representing the character. Thats why I dont hold tier lists as sacrosanct. I believe in most cases each character can push far assuming inputs fall into place, you are given a favorable bracket, and the mindset of the player is high enough level to carry the character.
I understand fully that the questions and phoning in increase engagement, but they are definitely the reason I tune out of the podcasts the most. Nothing against the people calling in with questions, it just feels like it breaks the flow of conversation when maybe just having cards with questions and a username show up that the hosts/guests talk about.
In my opinion, falco is second. Fox is first and then falco. Falco is just... clearly too good for me to see him any lower than second. He's just really fkn hard to play lol and he's one of the most complicated characters to play.
Thanks for all the love and Sorry all for the late upload all! 💛
That's ALLright
This content is awesome
Waff reached out to us over in South East Asia to put on Rollback Rumble Asia just cuz he wanted to. Prize pot and everything. Putting lesser known scenes on the map through his stream is a testament to how much this guy cares, and we appreciate it immeasurably ❤
Thats Amazing
Thats really cool
What tge f*ck!? :O
What the f*ck!? :O so dedicated.
Out of everyone in melee and smash as a whole, I think waff could write the best memoir of the past of the scene. He has been there for a lot of the events, has a incredibly motivating past, and is just all around a funny guy. I would love to see more books and physical history of the game being recorded and a memoir/ autobiography from some of the top players or community figures would be incredible
I'd buy it!
It can happen... we're just too lazy. (Sometimes)
The illustrious, the industrious, the immaculate, the smoothest man in melee HMW
HMW is the melee player’s melee player and commentator, his commentary is accessible and accurate, but he is so humble about how excellent he is at this game. An absolute titan for melee and esports at large, who helped carry the scene on his back during its highs and lows for over a decade, so glad to see him join you guys this week
GIMME those WAFFLES
UNPLUG YOUR CONTROLLER DAWG
@@Materialist39 without waff there's a good chance none of us would be here today. almost every single one of melee's iconic moments pre-evo were commentated by hmw, I can't imagine how many people have got into melee off the back of things like Wombo Combo
@@Materialist39 -he is so humble
-"press 1 if you feel bad for the kid - and im not done yet, IM NOT DONE YET! i told you, press 1 if you feel bad for em"
said in a set against hungrybox lol
Hearing Brandon's account of working 2 or 3 jobs while playing at/running tournaments is so inspiring dude. I'm out here working one job and feeling like I don't have time to pursue the shit that I want to do sometimes, but hearing this is a nice pick-me-up frfr, thanks HMW
Want to give thanks to Brandon for everything he's done for the melee community going back to the dark ages. TheWaffle77 og youtube channel helped me through some hard times as a kid. I still think about how much of my love for melee was shaped by yall voices. I'm sure I speak for many of us when I say, thank you Brandon, idk what the melee community would look like without you
same here. brandon's channel is what got me into watching competitive melee
HMW deserves all the love he gets. I hope that things only get better for him from here on out. Awesome seeing him on the GG podcast, love that dude.
As a newer Melee competitive viewer, loved how Waff talked about his hustle in the past participating and contributing to the Melee scene and culture while still working
Welcome to the community
“A lot of people aren’t gonna grow up with Melee now”
Jokes on you, I’m gonna raise my kids on Melee
Preach the good Melee word brother. Amen and Wombo Combo to you
This is the pivotal issue, but the newer smash games do indirectly point to melee if you stay 👀
@@judo3685 yeah, if you grow up with any non-Melee Smash game and then watch Melee, it’s kinda hard not to go “damn, this game looks sick af”
At this point, GG Melee is bigger than their main RUclips channel. Melee is so sick.
The game is constantly growing
Such banger content, thanks for supporting the melee scene Golden Guardians
lol
Awesome to see an OG being on the episode, love GG almost as much as I love dominatrix
Lmfao
high praise
Happy Birthday again to HMW :D
That first question was so lengthy but so deep and informative I honestly forgot they were taking guest calls
Was shocked to only see like 4 questions, but it was still great to hear so much in-depth from everyone.
Idk I think the falco take was really really bad but was carried by having PPMD and hmw talk about the character which is always going to be good.
Sorry I shouldn't say the question itself is bad but the supporting arguement was bad.
@@TheGavinLaver You wanna ft5 bro?
@@speedysloth I'm a bit confused did I somehow say something that was insulting to you? I'm always down to play anyone anytime so if you just want to play for fun lmk I'm a florida player btw.
I love the marketing toward an older fanbase concept. I mentioned on a new video from gg that this is low key my favorite youtube channel at the moment and I think that is why. You have such a specific audience and are making content for that DEDICATED audience perfectly. The whole melee scene loves what is going on at ggmelee and like, I legit think this is what is going to make melee live forever. It makes me really happy. I am going to come back to this when I, as a melee fan for almost the last decade, finally enter my first melee local because I am getting to an age and a financial status where I have time.
Falco is in such a weird spot. He has so much potential, and he has so many good moves, but has so many downsides as well. Depending on where you are skillwise, you can either be the noob stomping nightmare that gets free combos all day, laser spam to be annoying, and destroys everyone. Or you are playing advanced level players and you are the one getting combo'd and chain grabbed and people are DI/SDI'ing out of all your combos, and you feel like the character is holding you back. Or you are in the top 20 in the world and you are completely dominant with the character and can outshine almost everyone, even your worst matchups.
He definitely has the potential, but I believe you have to work really hard with him to make full use of that potential. And the worst part is, an uninformed player who is getting destroyed by the Noob Stomper Falcos, will call that "BS" because "dude he's so easy just dair, laser, and shine lul."
I think outside of top 50 falco is top 3.
I inside top 50 falco is somewhere around 4th or 5th best.
I think he is the least consistent character. Its really hard to quantify it but anyone that plays the game understands the flow of a match. When the flow is on falcos side he might be the best in the game. When he doesnt have the flow he can get exposed easily.
He is akin to a streaky shooter in bball. Some guys can hit 5 3 pointers in a row in a game but then miss the next 5.
He has the least consistent punish game of the top tiers. Weak grab follow kind of force a super custom combo oriented style. However that said he still hits very hard and when he gets the ball rolling.
At the highest level SDI really kills his punish game and turns the level of difficulty to string moves together up significantly ex( Mango has to read SDI out when he dairs at low percent and dtilt to follow up where shine would miss) these interactions turn a flow chart combo at low level into having to read SDI which is probably unreactable.
Falco might be the most popular character to play because of his fun playstyle. Look at unranked slippi filled with birds. He has always been a favorite thru the games history. There is a lot of top foxes that started as falcos. Yet there has never been an abundance of falcos inside the top 20. I think when one of the most popular picks isnt represented at the top 20 very much its pretty solid proof that the char is not as good as tier lists have put him at. Falco is almost always been placed 2-4
It's because falco doesn't have many knock down moves, besides his aerials! Most top tiers have throw knock downs plus a few tilts and aerials. Falco at most has dair and low percent, then ftilt and Bair with some more percent. Falco eventually gets a knock down but he doesn't have many kill options outside of really specific setups that require DI to get out of. But it feels like every kill setup Falco has can both work, and fail depending on how you influence your opponent to DI. It's all about the mix up with the bird
Always look forward to these! Thanks for putting these podcasts out fellas 🎈
HMW is everything right with Melee and possibly the world.
Waff is GOAT'd. Dude's getting rewarded for his efforts now, and I hope he and melee make it even bigger in the years to come.
I came into the scene pretty late, but remember hearing in one of the summit streams he put in Tons of time just preserving old melee Vods on VHS tapes n cassettes. Honestly blew my mind how much he cares about melee. Respect that grind and respect him for it.
Man all these episodes are awesome! Guests are always amazing and I can’t wait to see more!
Brandon made the best point about the Tennis argument. Scale is the biggest factor that the asker overlooked. Sure, at the moment it's easier for a melee player to become a top player that makes a living off the game than tennis, a much larger percent of melee players than tennis players do. However, that's only because of the vast difference in scale. if the number of melee players shot up to a comparable 50-60 million, it is not reasonable to expect the number of "slots" available for players to make a living to increase at the same rate. Likely what would happen is it would cap out around the same 300-500ish max players that could live off of it. Like I'm sure there is a small sport or esport out there with even fewer players than melee and a higher percentage of people making a living, that doesn't mean it would translate if it grew to our size.
Really like this content style. Love audio content, can listen while I do chores and stuff. Thanks for making this stuff!
I hope to see more Luigi professionals, he's a slow boi at first but if the wave dash is mastered along with some of his chain grabs and combos, and the uppercut, he's scary to fight but hella entertaining. I've been using Luigi for a long time now and I don't want to stop. Once I start playing online I hope to have some fun matches.
"no other good falcos" is such a weird take, and saying "well sure NOW". how about, ever? forward, bombsoldier, pc chris, ppmd, mango, westballz, ginger, bbb, magi, albert. there's almost never been a time where there hasn't been some decent falcos around
This is what my point was, older players are more themselves than the character. From 2013 to 2018 there were two top level solo falcos. That is a fact.
@@speedysloth sleeping on zhu
theshizwiz, Larry lurr, squid, Santi, bimbo, frenzy to name a few more “good FALCO’S” thru the years
From 2013 - 2018 there was 1 top puff players and that’s a fact... and two TOP Marths
And only 1 top peach
And also only 2 top falcons
Falco is somewhat more the player than the character I think is the difficulty in describing his place in the hierarchy
@@hibernate44 Literally contradicting yourself LMAO. shiz was gone by 13, and zhu had super inconsistent results. The rest are borderline top 50, which is the line I draw for "top level" Puff has a reason, she is not fun to play. And the god is a solo main, THE ONLY ONE. Marth had rishi, ppu, and zain & spud and stango later. peach has bladewise, kzhu, llod, polish, macd and falcons? wizzy, none, s2j, cpt. smuckers, and gahtzu were all top 50 by 2017.
@@speedysloth "hey guys, if I examine one precise 4 year period in a 20 year old game's lifespan and ignore today and the entire history of melee around that, falco is definitely underrepresented if you ignore the god player using him during that period and the several other rising newschool falcos who are now currently regularly in top 16"
like.. what? your whole argument is "old players don't count because they're old, but new players don't count right now, the only people who count are new players 5 years ago before they were good". how is that an argument?
Commenting to support GG and as a staff member of Rollback Rumble :)
-NathanSandwich
helping the heart of melee is true love.
when i think of melee, i think of #1 hmw, #2 mango, #3 oscar (and i say “oscar” because hmw calls him that!), as a 2007 player and later as a spectator. After those three, everyone else comes in to mind... (but obviously giving money to the (grass)roots is the way to go.
Damn wish I watched live would’ve loved to ask Brandon a question. Easily my favorite person in all of smash community. Mans is a legend. Made the game so digestible for me a decade ago when I was learning
TheWaffle77 is what got me into competitive melee. Love you, Brandon
HMW is awesome, always love seeing him. Glad you guys got him on the podcast!
I like what PP said about the community figureheads being the people who help out with the important stuff. M2K posts on the Facebook page for my local scene in some rando city in Ontario telling us about tournaments and stuff all the time, he's done it for years
Shout-out to Magi in the Marth matchup; she just doesn't get to play it in tournament too often
Homemade Waffles! What a great guest truly a man of the culture
I'm definitely looking forward to Rollback Rumble: The Big One, but if the 1 qualifier spot ends up going to 5th/6th or 7th/8th place, their qualification definitely won't seem nearly as hype as the Summit 10 post-SCL qualifiers were. It's a lot cooler when someone gets in for being at least top 3 (particularly because there's only one spot up for grabs).
I miss hmw, I gotta watch more of his stuff
HMW is amazing 3rd most influential smasher of all time imo (mang0, scar)
I don't think yung waff has ever missed with his takes
Looking forward to more Radio Melee Episodes!
ppmd over here making neckbeards great again... like look at that... I dunno if I've ever seen such an well trimmed intentional neckbeard.
Interesting comment from Gangly - the big question is whether esports organisations can find alternative means to generate revenue in a vastly differing commercial environment. The fact that an organisation with the resources of GG is willing to commit to developing that, is going to be interesting to see unfold.
I always respect OGs for literally anything. OGs always deserves respect.
Comment for the algorithm... Thx again gg for being goated
So happy for HMW it's crazy. Love the direction of melee heading into the 2020s...
waffles is the heart of melee :)
PPMD's beard is presidential
I love evo because of the outstanding camera work, the venue and such little things like the background of the casters. Having several fgc-omunities is nice, but I think the presentation is the selling point.
Super awesome dude to have on!
I think its possible to play flaco like the best character in the game but 99% of falcos play like he's the 4th best
Those falcos aren't playing the game yet.
1000%, I’ve been convinced of my somewhat controversial opinion for like 5 years that he is the only S tier character on yoshis story especially
@@Materialist39 I think its not unlikely that he's marths hardest matchup. FD though is what makes me hesitant to believe that
I think that's a Fiction quote, he's on the money about it though.
The fiction take is non-fiction
For the sports question, you also have to consider that 99% of the time, you need to be 6 feet tall to play in the NBA, so your viability to make a living off basketball is basically over if you are too short. Physical restrictions are so much less apparent in melee/esports compared to sports
GG killing it every day out here!
I didn't even know the golden guardians were the golden state warriors esports team!! I looked it up when I saw this episode and im so impressed! That's so fucking sick. My 2nd favorite basketball team and my favorite melee team are the SAME TEAM?? (Blazers fan... unfortunately. Yeah that team that picked bowie over M.J. and picked oden over Durant... that's my team...)
well guess I'm registering for The Big One, gotta be a part of the prelude to Summit 11 even if I go 0-2
HELL yea waff, and hell yea GG melee, love y'all
I'm mad I can't subscribe harder or hit the like button more than once.
Such a good episode. HMW is a legend
Always great to hear what HMW has to say 🙏
Falco's worst nightmare:
A Marth who can powershield grab
I love HomeMadeWaffles man. He's so wholesome
PPMD giving dissertations on each question.
NOW THIS IS A PODCAST
Gangly with the godlike question.
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON CLASS OF 2020!!!
So toph just knows everybody?
Who else listening to this while playing. Just got a nasty zero to death on this poor falcon. Shout outs to new falcon players. As a sheik main i can't say I've felt that beginner pain. Sheik hard carries the first few chapters.
falco carries the next few chapters tho, it;s why 90% of mid level netplay is just running into falco over and over again.
@@beric0bartman yes and then sheik and falco's rolls exchange after the middle chapters. Late chapters. Sheik is a lot easier and falco becomes tougher. It makes since. Falco has a lot easier punish game whereas sheik against good people can be very hard to tech chase into anything more then 40%
I think the "Shiek has never won a major" argument is really weird. If we had 4 Pikachu solo main players in the top 20, would people be saying the same thing about Marth? Everyone gets a lucky bracket at some point, but nobody is going to say "Zain isn't best in the world because he's never beaten Axe's Pikachu as Marth."
I recommended this to my friend
How am I able to phone in and ask questions to these guys? I'd love to hear their thoughts on somethings I have in mind.
They have a discord, I think they have links to it in their personal streams
PPMD with that MANE going on, its beautiful
the person who talked about falco being bad was definitely a falco main
He said he wasn't a falco main.
the reason why more people make money off of melee than something like tennis, is because in tennis all the money being generated is going to the corporations instead of the people producing. grassroots, baby.
Personally I think falco is the 3rd best character but I don’t see how he could be any lower than 4th
So happy for Waff. Melee owes him a lot
so much love for Waff
YOUNG WAFF!
Not a dig but ... melee isnt more stable than traditional sports lol. But surely that's clickbait and I'll be first to admit you got me xD. Main reason I say this is controller issues, the maintenance of staying competitively viable, and our sense of having so little viable characters (even tho I personally just think people arent really trying to push some 'lower' characters but that's just my perspective)
But yeah I also agree falcos overrated ... I just think falco makes learning the game for new comers hell (like for me took me a year+ to even be competitively viable cuz my only practice was someone spamming falco lasers and I hardly knew how to move in game for a while) but past that stage I dont think falco performs well. Though maybe it says more about the people playing the character but I just speak regarding how many play him and how many ACTUALLY place well. It's not many falcos working it compared to most the regarded higher tiers being represented. And I'm not shitting on falcos or on the character it's just what I've noticed.
I'll concede tho I dont personally believe much in tier lists to the extent most do. But there is an extent to where you can understand in terms of performance where characters align.
But tier lists often dont consider styles or the mentality of the players representing the character. Thats why I dont hold tier lists as sacrosanct. I believe in most cases each character can push far assuming inputs fall into place, you are given a favorable bracket, and the mindset of the player is high enough level to carry the character.
Falco has no losing matchups
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I agree.
Shoutouts to Sloth!
Melee is the equivalent to Football/Soccer
It is such a beautiful game
Cabbage is going to kill Rocks
I understand fully that the questions and phoning in increase engagement, but they are definitely the reason I tune out of the podcasts the most. Nothing against the people calling in with questions, it just feels like it breaks the flow of conversation when maybe just having cards with questions and a username show up that the hosts/guests talk about.
HMW is the single most important non-competitor in the history of melee
There are many people who have contributed to the melee community, but one of the biggest pillars is HMW. Simple and plain.
GG Melee baby, to the moon!
if theres serious bread to be made, nintendo will be all over that shit. theyd get involved WAY before it was as big as tennis
HMW is the man
HMW THE GOD 🙌🙌🙌
In my opinion, falco is second. Fox is first and then falco. Falco is just... clearly too good for me to see him any lower than second. He's just really fkn hard to play lol and he's one of the most complicated characters to play.
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The 53:08 hot take guy probably doesn't know that Tiger Woods has amassed over a billion dollars in winnings over his career lmfao.
All the love in the world to Waff man♡
to the first question asker who said that falco has an inconsistent grab game, pls read this:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270072060480544768.html
Young Waff. Melee legend
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Haha... PP..... looks more irish every time.
Btw. Nofluxes beat Ginger... don't sleep on the manon.
Much love Waff
Better title: Falco Overrated & Traditional Sports Outdated?
Thanks for having me on guys! Falco is still 6th.
“Shoutouts DN”
i love my man yung waff
I love you PP
does an asian bracket include south asia i wonder
i wonder for spark lol
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