Update on P2004 or P2017 Code - Intake Manifold Runner Control Stuck Open 2008 Jeep Patriot
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- Опубликовано: 30 дек 2019
- Little history: Upon getting the code, I took out the sensor, cleaned it, put it back in and it worked for nearly 10 months. Tried repeating the process yet did not work. Got a new sensor and it seemed mechanical part of sensor, the rotating shaft was the problem. However, the new sensor did not work either. Tried to take out the Intake Manifold, gutted it, cleaned it, put it back in, and it also did not help, despite feeling like runners were moving way better by manipulating them with my fingers. Gave in and bought a new Intake Manifold and that did the job. The new Manifold has been installed and working since about April-May 2018 (Sorry, late in loading video). Thus, as I stated in video, if there is any slight drag in the runners, do yourself a favor and replace the Intake Manifold. Although it's a $400 part, save your time and do it, I wish I would have. Plus, the dealership sells it with sensor installed as one unit. Patriot had about 140K miles, so maybe consider old Manifold may be out if your car has many miles. I was told that they last between 50K-100K miles since it is a plastic part... Anyway, hope this helps.
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Had to google this and found your video. This is the third time I've gotten this code. Seems every 50,000km it comes back again. Was really hoping there was a workaround and didn't have to replace the whole damn thing everytime. Damn. Driving a 2013 Patriot in case anyone is curious.
Same thing happened and I replaced the actuator then several months down the line same code popped up. Long story short I replaced the whole manifold and it worked for about 4 years and now I'm back at it again. I do have about 170k on my jeep.
When I heard "I don't know too much about it, but anyhoo..." I said, "I can definitely do this myself."
Great, yes, if i can do it, you can too! Let me know how it goes. Good luck! Thanks for viewing and liking my video!
Excellent video. I found your style and manner of presenting information very refreshing and feel good - I did not care that you were not up on the technical jargon you were simply presenting a narrative of your experiences in your own voice and had excellent visual aides to show and tell! Bravo! Well Done!
The design of these Intake Manifolds are frustrating! The cause of failure is the integration of metal parts with this good for nothing composite plastic material in this area where the fuel injectors are spraying fuel and air mixture is at its most important stage for combustion! Naturally there is going to be high carbon build-up! The runners bind-up easily! Cleaning the carbon is a challenge and depending on the process and chemicals used will affect how the runner control functions going forward... The computer will notice a failure to maintain the proper Air Fuel Ratio and throw the code.
Where on anyone's else videos has anyone even come close to so easily and simply managing to hit the nail square on the head? You did it very nicely...
Hi Alan, I appreciate your detailed input. This is the best compliment I have ever received. It was very kind of you to recognize the information for what it was and to share your kind thoughts. Hope the video was useful. Thanks again for your thumbs-up and compliment!
Excellent video and clear explanation.. Thank you!
Great video! Wish I seen this before. I replace the gasket my manifold. Your video explains what to look for. What you think is working after cleaning. May not be working like it should. Your video and others help to give us backyard mechanics an idea before we dive into it. Thank you
My 2008 2.4L 5sp manual Pat has been giving me P2010 and P0032. Manifold Runner issues. Garage is going to change the sensor. He said something like cleaning and gasket as well. My Pat has 225000km/138K miles on her. My engine periodically races/revs while on the road. It just started late this fall. Thanks for your explanation and experience..
Glad it was helpful. For what it's worth, you were one of the lucky ones having the manifold last over 200k. I bet is due to excellent operating behavior, unlike the race car driver owner of this vehicle...
Wow...i am getting the P2017 code on my Dodge caliber and it has a lot of miles. I should probably change the manifold too. Thanks!
Hi Mz K, curious if you had time to replace your intake manifold? If so, hope all went well. Let me know.
Good advice, thanks.
Thanks you for the Info.👍
My pleasure, thanks for commenting and liking my video! Hope your project goes well!
I have same problem i will tey to clean it 1st. And see thanks for the video
Sounds good, tell me if it works for you. Sometimes a little cleaning helps.
@@JorgeInTheTube well sir what i found out is theres no valve actuator in there. mybe this car is not equiped with that valve runners.. but theres a code 2017.. and engine light is on..its a 08 jeep compas limited. Or maybe they already cancel it in the other shop before. I found the wire just hunging there.
This is a good vid just did the sane thing you did it was bad in there clean as a wistle now. They have the parameters set to close. I mean the ircm is either open or closed. Thats some bull we have to buy a brand new intake nothing wrong with this one. Enough people shouldve complained to dodge. Also bought a new ircm. Its stuck open thats better than closed in my opinion.
What i think im going to do is throw some new bearings on that runner shaft and see if that helps i cleaned them and lubed them but i bet thats it.
Thank you for info
Thanks buddy !
What were the symptoms that led you to change it? Or was it just the code? My car will drive and then loses power for a second and then comes back in limp mode. Push gas pedal down and get high RPM’s with limited response. P2017 is 1 of the codes and I’ve already changed all the plugs and coils and it continues to happen
Change the oil pressure sensor while you have it off. As you have to remove the intake. To reach it..
As they are known to leak....
The what?
I’ve been trying to fix my exs jeep patriot with the same issue I’ve replaced the sensor rewired the connector and still have the code pop up next step cause of this video is replacing the intake manifold thanks for the educational video
Hi Robert, yes I was hopeful but replacing the intake manifold was inevitable. I was able to buy time at one point, but had to do it too. It's a chore and knuckle grinder but it can be done to save mechanic's labor cost. Put some music on and have fun!
@@JorgeInTheTube yea I’ve tried everything been fighting with it for 6 months I’m going to have to do the intake manifold and music I’ve also been working on cars for 20 years
@@roberttemple4129 Sounds like you went through exactly what I went through when that problem came up. The good news is that the car's performance and reliability improved and the codes went away after installing the intake manifold. So you will be happy when it is all over.
@@JorgeInTheTube yea definitely have to keep getting extensions for emissions
Thank you so much!
My. Pleasure, glad the video was useful!
thank you JorgeIn
You're welcome, glad it has helped!
Thank you
You're welcome
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Glad it helped, thank you for viewing and commenting!!
If there is any deterioration of the intake gasket, or any slop between rod and louvers then it should be replaced as well.
that " sensor" is actually the actuator/motor
Thank you for pointing it out Mrdubomb, I get lost for words when filming (stage fright)....lol. And true, I did replace the gasket the 1st time i tried to clean it. The new unit did come with it's own gasket as well.
I replaced the actuator but no bueno. Im might have to just replace the Runner, I'll keep you posted
When the intake manifold was bad did the lights dim as well as jump
This is a very common problem in this model and newer ones. If you have problems driving the car and won't go over 40kmh and gets a bit better when using the auto/manual shifter then that's what it is.
What size socket and wrench does it take to remove the manifold
replaced valve, code come back month later, car driving OK, do you really need to change anything, if drives ok? ty
Where the harness that connects to the intake control runner ?? I can’t find mine and the runner module isn’t even on the car!
I have a 2014 Jeep Patriot that had a code intake manifold runner position circuit high. Can you tell me what that means and how long I could hold off on it
Hi Tony, so it appears this code also popped up during the same time when we began to have the intake manifold problem. I believe these 2 codes are one in the same. If I can remember correctly, the performance was partially affected, yet the car was still usable. The main reason for doing the work at the time was emissions: it was time for smog check and codes needed to be cleared. If your own Patriot feels fine thus far, you should be fine until you are financially ready to make the expense. Hope this helps. Thanks for commenting on my video! Good luck!
The "new one from the dealer" is now about 600 dollars. And that's if you can find one they have been on backorder for over six months. 😳
Sorry to hear that, Richard. It's a harsh reality, i have noticed the price has gone up on auto parts in general. If you can install it yourself, you will still save the labor, which has also gome up... Good luck with your project.
Just replaced both the runner control and intake still getting code P2017 for circuit high bank 1 .
did you manage to figure this out , internet stranger?
Yes,stranger I did the new part (control sensor)was faulty actually went through 2 new ones before I got one that worked.
Mine just popped this same code P2004, of course tax season would be when this happens lol. Looks like I'm in for a few hours of labor again. Any tips? Did you replace the throttle body while you were in there? I know the patriots have problems with them, looks like intake tube needs to come out, anything else that might make it easier?
Hi Colt, yes, never a dull moment. So seems throttle is working well and it's a 2007. Few times I've been there, I've noticed throttle body is very dirty. Cleaning it should suffice. Do inspect it and make the decision at that point should it look pretty bad. Hard to get in there, so if price is cheap, I'd probably change it too. My advice is give yourself ample time, wiggle wire harness out of the way carefully by loosening mounting points to avoid breaking a wire. Loosen radiator fill spout braket and try to tuck it under or over to give you space to wiggle the intake manifold out. Can't recall if throttle body got in the way. I didn't take it appart from the manifold until after assembly was out of car, but feel free to rake it out first if it helps. It's hard but doable with right tools for the reach. Good luck! A pain, but fun when you're done. Oh and dealer had the best price, but shop around 1st just in case!
@@JorgeInTheTube I'm a fair hand with mechanics, took me 2 or so hours to get it all out, fairly simple just, as you said, very tight fit. I did almost everything you suggested haha. My throttle body isnt too dirty, so I will clean it and keep using it. Waiting on the new one to come in, was 130 cheaper on the website, dealership was mad they could not match the price haha. Adventure continues!
@@3colt3 that's great to hear! That's how long it kind of took me as well, about 5hrs total removal and installation of new one with some OCD cleaning of various parts. Also, glad uou got a deal on the part. I paid about $430, best at the time. You'll have to updste me on the final install and all!
I have a 2008 Dodge Avenger. Same engine so the same part. I replaced the sensor and it didn’t help. Was it normal that I had to turn the sensor a little bit to get the bolt holes to line up?
Hello Becca Marie, very good question. Turns out there's a spring in there that gives it a calculated amount of tension. So yes, that is the case to get it to line up. And yes i had same problem: failed for me the 2nd attempt, then replaced the entire intake manifold and has been working ever since. Thanks for viewing my video and for posting your question. Hope you don't mind liking video?
Money is tight. Is there anything I can do to avoid that? Carb cleaner or anything? I’m at my wits end.
@@beccamarie783 I feel you, $400 is a crap load of money. That's why I tried to clean the old one, but it failed. Sadly, intake manifold has moving parts in it, so it wears down...it sucks. If your car has more than 90-100k miles, I would save the trouble. Especially if you tried the actuator (sensor) and still get codes...
One question: did you clear codes before you started the car "after" installing the new actuator?
HA get this. I’m almost to 239,000 miles.
@@JorgeInTheTube my 2016 patriot only had 44000 miles on it when this happend. I took the sensor/control unit off manifold.then I took needle nose pliers and gripped the shaft that the sensor/control fits over.i gave a few twist and I could tell when the manifold flaps broke free and the shaft turned freely. I sprayed pb blaster in the area around the shaft .I replaced the sensor/control with one from autozone.ir fixed the problem and the check engine light went out.i also sprayed sea foam manifold cleaner into the tube that goes from the air cleaner to the throttle body. do this down stream from the mass air flow sensor .sea foal cleaner has a tube you can slip into the tube that goes down to the throttle body..as a final foot note the old sensor/control unit may have been able to have been reused .as it was the flaps stuck in manifold that caused the problem .....good luck.peace out hope this helps
Does anyone know where is the manifold absolute pressure sensor on a 2016 jeep patriot latitude 2.0
If youre standing facing the engine bay, its at the front left side of the intake.
Hi, please can you help. I can get a brand new inlet manifold from Hong Kong for my jeep patriot 08 2.4l for £208.00. Is it ok to use this part from china?
If you’re okay with the China virus
Hi there, sorry for late reply. I'm not really sure. See if there are reviews you can read. There's good products that come from there at times, but maybe see if there's a little research you can do on the seller and/or product. Good luck!
most of the time i found it to be the manifold...
How’s you take it out
Helo Jay, so it was hard, but if you are pretty mechanically inclined and you have patience, you can do it. I found another video that shows the removal. Check this video: ruclips.net/video/2CIcxuj6ZRI/видео.html
Hope you're able to see it! Good luck! 👍
And thanks for the vid recommendation also he also got his part from the same place as me
I think I’m getting carbon monoxide in the cab because of this... I didn’t think it was going to be a big problem.
No causation.
What are the symptoms of the code
Check engine light, rough idle, occasional hesitation under acceleration. If the rpm surges when you first start it, that's the gasket.
I shouldn’t buy used huh? I mean seems like from the video, if it’s not perfect, the engine code will reject it
Hi Tien, that is correct. I messed around with the old intake manifold for a long time and i learned a hard lesson. It's that specific. If you can install it yourself, save yourself the trouble and go straight for a new one. We got like nearly 120k miles from the original. If you are close to that in miles, it's probably time. Good luck and thanks for viewing and liking my video. Hope it was helpful
If you replace it.. There is a software update that has to be done as well.. As it will give you problems later on...
Why is this a bad thing for emissions testing? I keep failing my VEIP inspections here in Maryland with Code P2004 intake manifold runner stuck open Bank 1
P2017 Intake Manifold Runner Position sensor/ Switch circuit High Bank 1
This vehicle is "sensoring" me to death