This is the exact review I have been waiting to see on the cx90 as I was seriously considering purchasing one. Your opinion on the engine's future repairs got me delay this purchase until I obtain further information from Mazda service department. Especially the power train has such a short warranty. Thank you very much sir for such unique review on the CX90.
Thank you for this video. I bought one a few months ago and I have some observations after about 6000 kms. I traded my 2022 Highlander platinum, which was a bit of a lemon... Everything performed fine, but the interior rattled so bad I could hardly stand to drive it. The door panels, dash, headliner and pillars all rattled over mild bumps. It was infuriating... I would have kept that car for 10 years if not for the rattles. So I decided to get rid of it and I was drawn to this Mazda because the inline 6 and rear wheel drive chassis were attractive to me as an enthusiast. To me, it's like a Japanese X5. I also love the styling inside and outside. The interior is on par with any of the high-end luxury brands in my opinion. Fit and finish is exceptional with tight panel gaps and beautiful paint. The power train is certainly over complicated and I'm disappointed to hear that it is really not very serviceable so hopefully it holds up and my engine never needs to come out. However, I would disagree with your opinion that all this complication was for no benefit. It can be annoying at low speeds with the clutch engagement. It surges and lurches particularly when you roll a stop. The eye stop can be super annoying as it will cut out at inconvenient times and then the car will jerk as it fires back up. It can be defeated of course, but I've left that system engaged because of what it will do on the highway. The engine will shut off at highway speed if you're coasting or going downhill and the little electric motor gives just enough torque to maintain your momentum at normal speeds for a short amount of time. I suspect this is why they used the wet multi-plate clutch rather than a torque converter because the engine can disengage very easily from the transmission. I have had to recalibrate my driving style at low speeds to get around the surging and lurching. But the end result of all this technology has been shockingly good fuel economy. After the first couple thousand kilometers the engine has totally loosened up and I am getting a consistent eight liters per 100 km. The best of my Highlander ever managed was 10L/100. This Mazda has taken me over 900 km on one tank of fuel. And it isn't slow. For them to build a vehicle this big, nearly 5000 lbs, With 340 horsepower and to still get a consistent 30 miles per gallon seems pretty impressive to me. And with that beautiful inline 6 sound and smoothness. The lack of a rear sway bar seems unusual, but overall I am impressed with the handling of this, particularly compared to the Highlander. It transitions through curves nicely and can be surprisingly fun through curvy mountain roads. Overall, I am super impressed with the car though it does have some compromises. I'm hoping that Mazda will refine the software to improve the low speed clutch engagement. The surging and lurching can be pretty annoying. But overall it's an impressive bit of engineering. I can't think of another vehicle this size with this level of style, luxury, capability and performance and such impressive fuel efficiency. Hopefully all of those complicated cam drives and fuel pumps and water pumps hold up long term. Mazda has a pretty good reputation for reliability but we'll see over the next few years.
Beautiful vehicle for sure and I do like the inline-6 but I would not buy this all the stuff you got to take out just to work on it I would pass desert very surprised at Mazda that they did this but a beautiful vehicle
@@MrDilbert111 thats because all his information is incorrect and he stumbles through shit he doesnt understand, i would not trust him with my grandmas car
@@gamethenorth9666 AGREED! EX: the lack of torque converter removes inefficiency and power lag. I have it in my 6 speed 2019 Mazda CX-5 2.4 L. Turbo, AWD. Works great and reduces acceleration lag, as does the brilliant butterfly valve to speed up the turbo impeller at low speeds., greatly REDUCING turbo lag. EX: The rear suspension of the CX-90 is MULTI LINK. with more than just a "double wishbone" suspension, WHICH THE FRONT ACTUALLY IS. Duuuhhh!
@@Resistculturaldecline Was he talking about the "jitteryness" in the power train that many people have commented on when the vehicle switches between ICE and EV at low speeds and when first starting out?
@@Resistculturaldecline I looked at one but did not drive it or open the doors so I cannot comment on what the CCN is describing. However the #5 complaint of owners is described below. 5. Door Noise Some Mazda CX-90 owners may notice a strange squeaking, rubbing or rattling noise when closing the front doors. The CX-90 is a completely new vehicle (except the 2.5 l 4 cyclinder in the PHEV) and every manufacturer has problems in the first few years of a new vehicle. I do not buy something to work the bugs out for others.
the hybrid system isn't all that bad. my biggest frustration with it is it turns off the engine way too soon and even some mild braking will turn the engine off and then back on again right away. it's something you can control with the brakes, but it's some getting used to. my biggest beef with it, by far and not mentioned in this video, is the transmission. it's really poor. accelerating feels laggy and very rough in first gear. however, going from a cx-9 to a cx-90 feels the opposite of what was talked in the video. the car is better, definitely more luxurious, roomier, sportier, eats about 30% less fuel, and looks the best in the segment. however, i'm just leasing it, so if troubles occur, they are not my problem 😁
This type of information cannot be found elsewhere and is the reason I’m a subscriber of this channel. Because I like to own my cars for 10-15 years and like to DIY maintenance and repairs. Won’t be buying into a car that need to remove the engine for all the reasons mentioned here
You mean you have replaced an engine timing chain yourself before ? 😂 Timing chains on Japanese cars last the life of the cars and never need to be replaced. I would rather have a car with a timing chain in the back of the engine than a timing belt in front of the engine
@@Matys1975 I do agree that this will be reliable and you will likely not need to replace it, but a timing belt has many advantages. I have an acura TL (3rd gen, v6) and it uses a timing belt. Man that thing is smooth and refined, and also extremely quiet. It is very easy to replace (DIY 4 hours with water pump and bearings/tensioners), inexpensive, and completely eliminates the issue of guide wear and stretching. Chains do stretch, and they are not truly maintenance free. To each their own, but I firmly maintain timing belts are a very good solution if implemented correctly, and they still do last over a 100,000 miles.
@@hillyard23congratulations, cx-9 was definitely one of the best mazda models made. I remember we were running 2-3k rebates on the cx-9 before they sold out at the dealership, such a steal
Very refreshing to find your channel and see this type of review. After years of watching car reviews on RUclips, I have not found another channel that offers quite the insight/perspective that you do! Please keep the videos coming!
As a present owner of a Mazda CX-9 and an engineer myself, I agree with your assessment. One of the biggest reasons I purchased a Mazda was reliability. I felt the power train especially the transmission on the CX90 was overly complicated especially to gain a couple of more mpg. I daily drive my CX9 between highway and stop and go traffic resulting in an average of 23 mpg. I will be waiting a couple of years to see how reliable the the cx90 will be before purchasing.
@@robarmour4062 I'm talking about the old straight six. Grand Cherokee, Supra, FJ cruiser and so on. If this is a new straight six engine, let's see if it's as reliable and built to last type of engine
This is the honest review I have been looking for. When I went to the dealer, the sale-person told me completely the contrary; he stated "This nice thing about this engine is that you can probably work on it yourself, it's soooo open!". However, the way you describe it Mr. Author is completely different, so, thank you!
I’ve already got 9k on my Cx-90 Premium with absolutely no issues so far so I’m hoping she stays reliable for us. Fun to drive and handles great when compared to most 3 row suvs in the 40-55k range. In certain situations it can get slightly clunky in transition between iStop but it doesn’t seem to be an issue during regular driving where you can be more deliberate. Luckily you can turn off iStop with the push of a button.
9k miles is basically new, bro! LoL; you're still in the honeymoon period. even a Chrysler will be perfect then; get to 10 years or 100k miles - a whole different story.
A timing chain, in most cases, is not a maintenance item, if the vehicle is properly maintained the chain should last the life of the vehicle. Timing belts on the other hand are maintenance items and require 60-100K replacement. The CX-90 looks like a lot of car for $60K, but because it's totally new only time will tell if it's reliable.
I have a 2016 CX5 (2.5L non turbo), close to $100k problem free so far. Feels solid and I am sure will last many more miles. Was in the market for a 3row, the CX90 was in the top list until I saw this. I like that Mazda is stepping up to a more luxury feel but would prefer if they kept at least one engine option without all the complicated hardware and that is easy to maintain. One of the strong selling points of buying a Mazda over a BMW, other than price. Concentrate on that and wait until the market decides how is going to handle EVs for the masses, or have a separate team working exclusively on that. The infotainment is another area that could be improved. I was able to activate touch screen under all conditions on my model and then after an update it went back to being disabled during driving. This is a different path from all other manufacturers and something where Mazda could let the driver decide how to interact with it on their own. I would still consider a Mazda on the future, excited to see where they will go next.
What were you expecting to see? You wont see anything in the short term. Wait till you cross 200k kms/miles, when a bunch of things need replacing that is when all these things he talked about come in.
This is the only car review channel I make my final purchasing decision on. I can't wait for the new Lexus GX (2024) to come and and have you review it, I know it's going to be a while.
I used to agree and loved this channel and trusted it. But this guy's opinion of the suspension,,/handling and performance of the CX90 is at direct odds to every other review I have watched/read. Most of these other reviews compared 5 or 6 different vehicles in this segment as well, driven back to back. So to me, I think this guy is basing his driving impressions on his own recollection which is always a terrible idea. Because if the last car you drove was a Corolla GR and you jump in a 3 row SUV, of course it's going to feel like garbage!
I don’t have the technical background to second guess his opinions, but when he says the CX-90 doesn’t handle well, I have to call BS on that bc I’ve spent a lot of time behind the wheel of my wife’s CX-90 and it handles beautifully for a car of its size, and I’m saying that as someone who drives a Model S.
I'll trust this mechanic every time after watching many of his videos and the details he goes into. At this point you already bought the cx90 so you're stuck.
Things like handling can be subjective, but you can't honestly say a Tesla handles well. They don't. They're too heavy, and the tires and suspension are too stiff and jarring.
Having owned four Japanese sports cars, I find the CX-90 inline 6 drives reminiscent of them...Firm sporty feel. I am not sensing a delay at the accelerator. I'm more comfortable owning a new design Mazda than any Kia or GM...Had it for about 6 weeks...No issues...I understand the repair concerns are long term..I'm not expecting chronic expensive repairs as I had with BMW.
@@TheKingOfInappropriateCommentsthis guys plays into people's fears about owning a new car. Mazda is what's next and I am not letting one fake engineer get in the way of that... period. I would trust a Japanese automobile company with top reliability over this guy.
@@mbenton6 I'll be happy to send you the receipt of the 6 recalls just repaired and the faulty rack and pinion... Buy a Telluride, Palisade, or Grand Highlander... Take my advice.
@@mbenton6He is simply being realistic from mechanics perspective. Back in WWII the simplicity of the Sherman tanks made it easy to repair by any tank crew in a few hours that was mechanically inclined that could fix a tractor back home. While the Germans tanks over engineering resulted in the tanks being out of commission for days at a time for a repair. By the way below is an interesting video of different mechanic that did head gasket job on a CX-9 and was shocked at how many parts he had to remove to replace the gasket. ruclips.net/video/YJMWvyDP3j8/видео.htmlsi=r_j_XnSvjn5BjXMG
I got the PHEV version of this last week, and it's awesome. The all electric range is just right for me. The inline six looks good, but I wanted the better gas mileage.
@@blissfuljoy6049 definitely. I love the car. I get like 57 mpg too, at the cost of like $60-70 per month in electricity, which isn't bad for a 5k lbs SUV.
I think you’re being a bit harsh at 14:35 when you say the car adds unnecessary complexity to achieve nothing spectacular. If that’s the case, tell me what other large, heavy, 3 row SUV with a straight 6 engine is almost touching 30mpg with 340hp/370lb ft torque? It’s complicated for a reason. It gets better fuel economy, torque and horsepower figures than a 4 cylinder Highlander! Oh and it’s much bigger than a Highlander too
So glad you produced this video, I was intrigued by the other YT vids talking about the amenities but none focused on the important topics like you did! Can you post a vid with your 2024 top 1-2 picks in each class of SUV?
I own a CX-90 turbo S premium, I feel the handling is very good and well planted, no body roll noticed , comfortable seats I'm 6'1" tall . easy to enter and exit the due to the height of the drivers seat. Facial recognition for seat position memory. 70-75 mph=30 mpg which is better than the PHEV model after the hybrid battery is drained. Off the line the clutch is not as smooth as other SUV's but you hardly notice after a few hundred miles. I don't have the optional rear center console , my kids and dog can pass through to the 3rd row easily. 6k lb towing. very torquey @ 2000 RPM. Looking forward to the E85 tune and blow-off valve (kidding)
I’m confused by a lot of the comments from this guy. I have 15k miles on my TurboS. I never have any delays with anything. The start from iStop is flawless. The extra punch from the MHEV is great. And the car corners very well.
Mazda makes the most reliable cars hands down. My brother has had his 2016 Mazda 6 for over 300k miles and it only needed a new O2 sensor. I just got the 2021 Mazda 3 hatchback premium plus trim. It’s immaculate and feels like a new driving experience every time I drive it
We have 2 Mazdas , first one (Miata) we purchased new in 2000 and only has 47k miles . Second (2014 Mazda -5 ) purchased used in 2016 with 30k miles and currently has 194k. Both cars are working flawlessly with regular maintenance.
Just learned of this channel and I love it. Thanks for the detailed review of the vehicles. All car owners should watch these videos prior to buying. Thank you!
I really appreciate this review. Im a Cx9 owner and the car is very reliable. I was lookingforward to such review to decide whether I move to the next model or not. And you came in the right time.
Thats why I went with the previous gen CX9 this year even though I originally wanted the CX90. Once I realized how everything on the 90 is new and complex, I went with the tried and true CX9 as I didn't want to mess around paying for repairs.
I wish they kept the 9. They're all gone at local dealers, I won't risk my money on something with the potential for being this expensive to fix and no reliability history.
AMD, Thanks once more for the honest appraisal. Your driving impressions of hesitancy in acceleration and mediocre handling are in keeping with other reviews. Your account of a hit and miss 'luxury' interior is also consistent with other reports. What really separates your review is the 'nuts and bolts' detailing of that ludicrously complicated drivetrain which is a priceless warning to potential shoppers. 👏👏👏👏
@@thaphenom9446 they have explicitly stated they want to sit between regular car brands Toyota and Honda level and the luxury level. frankly, I think they went a little beyond that reaching closer to near entry-level luxury. it feels premium and has significantly lower road noise than economy brands by up to 5 decibels at equal speeds to economy brands. now the long-term construction of the materials seems to sit above economy for sure but further away from that entry-level luxury segment than how the interior space looks and feels when new.
This is the type of review everyone should be doing. I was waiting for this review. I was thinking of buying this one but now I need to look for something else. I wish Toyota dealers stop adding markups to the prices else grand highlander is a promising option
This is why I love watching your videos, because of your honesty & detail reviews about the vehicle you're reviewing. No one does it the way you do. Can you please do a in depth review on a Acura Rdx.
I have a 2017 CX-9 with just over 70K miles. My wife drives it mostly, but it's treated us well. I like the CX-90, but I don't love the extra complexity.
Made in Japan, very well put together and should be a reliable car. But for people who buy pre-owned 3-4yrs old like me, sounds like some repairs could be superexpensive if u have to yank out the engine often. I got 3yrs to figure it out!
Wow you are a true gem in the RUclips world. Anyone who plans to keep their vehicle passed the warranty and is still willing to buy this vehicle after watching this video is insane. Thank you for your excellent attention to detail that NO ONE ELSE on RUclips offers.
It’s good to have this review and see how it goes in few coming years. For someone who is looking to buy one now, I would personally lease it to see how the reliability is in 2-3 years
Hi, but as a humble opinion, leasing is kind of a loss of money in down the line of 3 yrs right? It would be great to know what's your thoughts on leasing.
@@frgggggdsedd6913 But let's say if we decided not to buy due to some issues it gives. So money spent those 3 yrs would be waste right except that we drove it for 3 yrs.?
@@karthikeyans8922 this statement doesn’t really make sense, if you buy it youre stuck with a vehicle thats a potential lemon and for waranty the dealer can pushback make you go in circles until its confirmed. If you lease they will take care of the car no matter what because their goal is to take back the car and get you in another vehicle so they make sure the car is in best shape. If you want to buy the car after lease youre going to pay the balance left (from the amount you paid on the lease) which comes to the same total balance as if you financed it except you had lower payments, so why would you buy it upfront?
@@frgggggdsedd6913 But, if we decide not to buy it. We would have already paid like 4 to 5 Grand as down pay and around 500 to 600 dollars as monthly lease payment. What happens to that? Am just trying to understand here about the lease option in this case.
You some of the BEST auto reviews for real life. A real mechanic telling what the auto is really like front to the rear. 99 % of other reviews are about the Glamour of the auto.
U had my full attention. Then u said rear timing chain. Thank you so much for these reviews. I hope lots more people start watching ur videos and start educating themselves.
A couple of weeks ago i saw this car at the Mazda dealer and i must say i'm very impressed by its looks and overall quality feel. And Mazdas are very reliable, so...if you can afford it, it's seems a very good buy!
All the reviews that I have watched say the CX-90’s handling is best in class for a 3 row SUV. Mazda introduced their Kinematic Posture Control into this cars design, the same system they use in their MX-5 Miata. Those reviewers are hitting the curves and having fun with the way the car drives with great feedback to you as a driver in a very Mazda way. The 340HP you get from the Inline 6 pushes you to have some fun after you drop the kids off at school.
@@MrGeezilDouble Bonus if you get one that does not drive like a bus but can deliver a fun driving experience when grandma is being chased by a reindeer and you can keep up.
Wow! Great review! I was considering this car...with that inline 6 turbo, but after seeing this review...no way. The complexity and need to pull the engine for what eventually needs replacement is a big no no on my part. Thanks. Best review out of over a dozen I looked at.
Although the timing chain is in the rear, it is doubtful it will ever need to be replaced on an inline-6. That is more of an issue on V6 and V8 cars. It's just an unrealistic problem.
Timing chains are not a maintenance item...at 300k, if you still are diving it, it will be due for a complete rebuild. This guy is borrowing trouble that will never rear it's ugly head
Your review is not accurate of the CX90 owership experience. I own the inline 6 Turbo S - 340 HP version and the small eletric motor only "assists" the engine from a stop so that there is abosultely no turbo lag from a stop. It works incredible as i dont even notice the car being a turbo car. Torque is immidiate from zero. There is no rattle. Car drives amazing. Corners like a sports car. The suspension is on the sportier side which is why it handles so well. Being a RWD based allows this car to handle amazing. The engine is the really what;s special about this car. But i did see the undercarriage and if Mazda paid THAT much attention to the undercarriage, I am now 100% confident this car was BUILT RIGHT!
If you’re in the market for a new car, this is the person to watch along with any other research you do on your journey to purchase. So much insight. This information will go a long way if you plan on keeping the car for more than 4 years. The repairs in this car seem like they will be very expensive. I was thinking of this instead of the cx9 because of the extra room but cx9 it is, unless i can find a pilot at good price.
After owning all type of mazda cx9s over the years and a true mazda loyalist I completely agree with this review and would wait for a while before buying one. Was really excited to buy it but after the test drive i found my cx9 2022 signature more stable in overall handling in every way.
OK, maybe it is not as stable as your CX nine and what Mazda is known for how does it compare to the competition is the question is it better than the Toyotas in the Nissan etc. and if it is it’s a non-issue
Agreed! These aren’t just “a few little changes”, they re substantial both mechanically and aesthetically. There are going to be big issues that need to be ironed out
I've been waiting for a review that was this in-depth. I will never buy a first year of a new model vehicle but I actually considered buying this vehicle next year. I believe that I will wait and see how the reliability stands up over time. I've been told the newer I believe 2018 to current Mazda CX5's are very reliable vehicles. I do like how the CX90 is made in Japan like the CX5.
I enjoy how Mazda doesn't make everything in their lineup in America. My miata is still made in Japan like my old Acura was. It may be the same parts but American build quality will NEVER compare imo
I must rethink buying this vehicle.. your review has given me alot to think about... service departments are short staffed and have constant turnover.. this is the type of product you wish never to visit service dept out-of-warranty. I love the product but maybe a Toyota or Honda might be a better choice in the long run.
The suspension is part aluminum and part steel because it changes the handling characteristics. The engine and mild hybrid set up is Mazdas version of BMWs straight six mild hybrid set up. BMWs has easily been the most reliable drive train they have ever put in a car. With the reliability of Skyacttive engine technology, Mazdas may be even more reliable . Note, your favorite car company (Toyota) thought so much of BMWs straight six they put it in the Supra.
@@mbenton6 and? I have 176k miles on my 19 altima and it drives like new also. My 2016 altima has almost 430k miles now. Ig I had the turbo engine I would be more worried about putting over 200k miles on a vehicle like this because it seems if it happens to mess up that it will cost you so much more than usual.
@@occckid123 sorry. I dont drive CVT transmission. I drive real cars that changes gears and I know what my car is doing. I will never buy a Nissan. You're pathetic. Dont talk to me about cars and you're driving a CVT. Look at mazdas reliability and look at Nissan. Enough said.
I understand how expensive it can be to replace the timing “chain”, but realistically, how often does it need changing? Now, if it was a timing “BELT,” I could understand that concern…
VAG started the rear chain drives with the W8 and the 4.2 in the B5.5 S4 and A6 AllRoad. It was fun dropping the powertrain out the bottom for every oil drip, particularly the timing cover. Im not a SUV guy but this is good looking inside and out. Learning the needless complication unerhood would nake me lease and not buy it if i were inclined to drive one. Kinda surprised at Mazda on this one...
We'll see what happens with this. I'd still buy this with a decent amount of confidence based on the tremendous reliability seen with other Mazda engines recently, including one of my cars. It sucks when things are hard to access, but if they last 200,000 miles with just fluid changes and spark plugs then it's hard to call it a bad design. The 3.5L Ecoboost has an internal water pump, which everyone said would be a nightmare, but yet you hardly ever hear about them failing and plenty of people get those engines to go 200,000+ without tearing anything out of the truck. In the extreme case of Porsche, whose engines are typically very reliable and thoroughly stress tested, yet are about as inaccessible as it gets, you just don't hear very many complaints about the reliability or ownership experience. The problem with BMW and some other German engines is that they often have huge weaknesses AND they are a bitch to work on. But yes I hope the engine people were aware how this would be installed in the cars and paid appropriate consideration to the strength of these components in inaccessible parts of the engine bay. Frankly I'm just happy we have a turbocharged inline-6 from Mazda at all, it's a great engine configuration from a great engine manufacturer.
Clearly most of the comments here are from people who have never driven the CX90. I was going to buy a Highlander, a Pilot or an XT5. The CX90 driving dynamics convinced me to go with Mazda.
I bought a cx90 a couple months ago. So far I like it very much. I apparently failed in my research. I didn't dig deep enough to learn all the engine complexities. I hope it is as reliable as my cx9 was.
He also did a review on the CX9 and that review was poor as well. If you enjoyed your CX9 you’ll love your CX90. In a criptic way Automotive Press addressed some of the Car Care Nut opinions and what Automotive Press said fell in line with what most would consider “common sense”.
Absence of sway bar could could explained with Kinematic posture control - which is a software thing. Absence of sway bar may mean better packaging and lower weight…
Soooo glad I saw this before giving up my CX-9 and kicking myself for it later when the CX-90 has major problems. I did test drive it and definitely noticed the delays and the clunky shifting from low gears. Wasn’t impressed with handling either. The shifter was confusing and the salesperson said everyone has a hard time with it and puts it in reverse instead of park. I asked if there were any known problems and she said they were already having transmission failures with the PHEV models, so I’ll pass. Thank you!
Got mine a few weeks ago, took the family on a trip 5 adults 2 kids we all fit luggage and all. Our drive was thru the mountains full of curves, uphills and down hills no problem. I felt it handled the curves very well even if it didnt have a rear sway bar. I was surprised at the power when i needed it to pass a car, no problem just give it some gas and listen to the engine roar! Lol. Honestly guys the cx 90 handled very well i am happy with my purchase for now! Only time will tell My previous truck was a 2007 tacoma V6 4.0l, which i loved our road trips on because of the power!. At first i was a bit worried i would miss the tacoma, but nope cx 90 did alot better for the trip and we where all comfortable.
I felt no delay or lag at all on any of my drives. Not sure what he’s referring to there. It’s been great to me so far. It’s a lease so it’ll get a few years of drive time before I decide to really make it mine, just to be sure I like it as much as I think.
Just test drove one. Impressive. But a mechanical nightmare by 100,000 miles. This is the best review and information on this 'marvel' I have found. Thanks VERY much for the timely warning.
Don't cross the street, you might get hit by a car 20 years from now!... you only did a test drive,and you KNOW what's going to happen 100k miles from now??? 😅😅😅
AMD, thanks for the honest appraisal...was in the market for this, but not so much after your review. Would like to see your assessment of the 1) CX-90 PHEV & 2) Genesis GV70 (2.5T)...any chance you'd be reviewing either one anytime soon? My dad is a mechanic, so we enjoy & appreciate your reviews.😊
I STILL trust Mazda being fully Made In Japan with their attention to detail. I will also bet that this engine transmission setup is FAR more reliable and less costly than BMW inline 6 maintenance. Lastly a timing chain can usually last the lifespan of an engine and if it ever needs replacing, it will only happen once or twice and this CX-90 will more than likely get 200,000 plus miles with little to no issues.
I love how this sort of coverage pressures auto engineers to keep in mind servicability and quality components. More screens, more fake stitched leather, more big moonroofs to not equate to a quality product. What's underneath and how it's put together really, really matters!
Thanks a lot for reviewing this. This was on my short list since we’ve had really good luck with several CX-5s, a Mazda3, and a Mazda.6 wagon. Hearing about the Audi-style timing chain placement, mild hybrid system, driveshaft through the oil pan, and multi-purpose starter/alternator/hybrid motor have turned me off of it. I imagine the upcoming CX-70 will be the same way. I appreciate the honesty you always bring in your work.
Exactly. The 2.5 is a very reliable powerplant. In the CX 90 PHEV its linnear mounted. Everything one could need to access for "long term" heavier maintenance is right there.
@@Moondoggy1941X-5 they make since 2013, updated 2018. Maid in Japan. CX 50 completely new structure built in US Toyota plant collaboration, which is good. These 2 cars got exact same power plant. 50 is bigger in every way, 5 is just taller… that’s all
who said its too complicated. mazda would not have made it if they thought it was too complicated. dont make your decision on one reviewer who was probably paid off
My head still spinning from technical explanations, but I really appreciated your through and honest explanations. I have been considering Mazda SUV and your review was very helpful in my decision making process.
I've been considering the Mazda CX-90, but after diving into customer reviews, it seems there are a lot of issues with this model. Plus, it’s had 7 recalls in the past 6 months.
Thank you for your opinion, Mr. . "I am a Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician" who is trashing a Mazda. I have a CX-90 and it handles amazing. The entire video became suspect because you seem to be shilling for Toyota by trashing its competitors, and the fact that pretty much everyone who has driven a CX-90 (including me), praises its superior handling and cornering.
He no longer works for Toyota as he has his own shop. BTW, the description for what has to be removed to do those simple repairs comes from the Mazda repair manual not his opinion. But you are correct, Dave Coleman the lead U.S. engineer stated that handling took priority. Handling over serviceability is exactly the same build logic of BMW.....welcome to the BMazdaW club.
😂😂😂.. some people are so worried about the serviceability on it.. and the worst part is, their mentality is all about replacing the timing chain.. 😂😂😂. 😅. Keep trying.. enjoy your cx 90.. mazda all the way.. very reliable made in japan!. 😮😮.
@@xsej4223 This guy xsej4223 is a Mazda employee and one of many commenting on these channels trying to cover up the issues with the CX-90. Watch the care care nut review on the CX-90. He does NOT rely on any manufacturer for vehicles to review and is one of the truly honest reviewers. What the CCN says needs to be removed for service of the various components is NOT his opinion but comes DIRECTLY from the Mazda service manual. Information is knowledge, do with it what you want.
I test drove one yesterday and wasn't overwhelmed. One thing I felt that the seat was a little narrow and might be uncomfortable after a while. Very good review and I thank you a lot.
I drove this one. No debate, no comparison. Made in Japan, imported from Japan. Inline six combustion turbo plenty of power. I had Cressida and Supra Toyota - both had in-line engine. Not bunch laziness car manufacturers engine with transverse.
Thank you so much for giving us more detailed insights on how an engine or car manufacturing can make difference in real world. If possible please add Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 2023 into your review list Appreciate once again for amazing efforts in giving us comprehensive details of the car
I was at a Mazda dealer. They said the timing chain will last "for the lifetime of the car". That's very true, cause by my estimate, its a $6000 job and the SUV will be worth under $9000 by then.
I drove the CX-90 PHEV for a few days while my CX-50 was getting serviced, the delay he's referring too is quite real with the PHEV. When the battery is charged (which does not last for long) the car is very peppy and fun to drive, but if you're not fully sending it, the car gets confused between balancing electric and gas power, which can be scary if you need passing power in a pinch and are not accounting for it.
The complexity of that power train is amazing. Need more power and a clutch engages the electric motor. Need less power and it disengages. Need less power and cylinders deactivate in the ICE. take your foot off the accelerator and the engine shuts down and a clutch opens to disengage the transmission to allow you to coast. Touch the brake and a clutch engages the generator for regen braking. And all that can happen hundreds of times in a short drive. What could possibility go wrong?
Complexity = More issues = More expensive to fix Thanks for this! U had me at taking the engine out. 😂 Was thinking about buying it, but not any more. This thing is going to be a costly nightmare to maintain.
When you mentioned straight six, I thought good. Then it all went south. This looks like an opportunity missed. It's difficult to understand the design management process that signs this debacle off. Maybe the design chief was a pioneer who wanted to go down in history. Many of us have had a boss like this. Thanks to all TCCN.
@@pedrofernandez8729 I bought my last ever six cylinder diesel BMW in 2017. I happily gave them my money in exchange for a good quality car. The thing turned out to be unreliable overpriced junk.
I just purchased a 2024 Mazda CX 90 but I will be selling it within 6 months for an 2024 Cadillac Lyriq. I love your honest evaluation of the Mazda CX 90
This level of in-depth and honest review is not presented by most of the "expert reviewers" on RUclips! Thank you so much, Mr. Car Care Nut!
Agreed.
This is the exact review I have been waiting to see on the cx90 as I was seriously considering purchasing one. Your opinion on the engine's future repairs got me delay this purchase until I obtain further information from Mazda service department. Especially the power train has such a short warranty.
Thank you very much sir for such unique review on the CX90.
Wow!would not want this out of warranty at all!
Thank you for this video. I bought one a few months ago and I have some observations after about 6000 kms. I traded my 2022 Highlander platinum, which was a bit of a lemon... Everything performed fine, but the interior rattled so bad I could hardly stand to drive it. The door panels, dash, headliner and pillars all rattled over mild bumps. It was infuriating... I would have kept that car for 10 years if not for the rattles. So I decided to get rid of it and I was drawn to this Mazda because the inline 6 and rear wheel drive chassis were attractive to me as an enthusiast. To me, it's like a Japanese X5. I also love the styling inside and outside. The interior is on par with any of the high-end luxury brands in my opinion. Fit and finish is exceptional with tight panel gaps and beautiful paint. The power train is certainly over complicated and I'm disappointed to hear that it is really not very serviceable so hopefully it holds up and my engine never needs to come out. However, I would disagree with your opinion that all this complication was for no benefit. It can be annoying at low speeds with the clutch engagement. It surges and lurches particularly when you roll a stop. The eye stop can be super annoying as it will cut out at inconvenient times and then the car will jerk as it fires back up. It can be defeated of course, but I've left that system engaged because of what it will do on the highway. The engine will shut off at highway speed if you're coasting or going downhill and the little electric motor gives just enough torque to maintain your momentum at normal speeds for a short amount of time. I suspect this is why they used the wet multi-plate clutch rather than a torque converter because the engine can disengage very easily from the transmission. I have had to recalibrate my driving style at low speeds to get around the surging and lurching. But the end result of all this technology has been shockingly good fuel economy. After the first couple thousand kilometers the engine has totally loosened up and I am getting a consistent eight liters per 100 km. The best of my Highlander ever managed was 10L/100. This Mazda has taken me over 900 km on one tank of fuel. And it isn't slow. For them to build a vehicle this big, nearly 5000 lbs, With 340 horsepower and to still get a consistent 30 miles per gallon seems pretty impressive to me. And with that beautiful inline 6 sound and smoothness. The lack of a rear sway bar seems unusual, but overall I am impressed with the handling of this, particularly compared to the Highlander. It transitions through curves nicely and can be surprisingly fun through curvy mountain roads. Overall, I am super impressed with the car though it does have some compromises. I'm hoping that Mazda will refine the software to improve the low speed clutch engagement. The surging and lurching can be pretty annoying. But overall it's an impressive bit of engineering. I can't think of another vehicle this size with this level of style, luxury, capability and performance and such impressive fuel efficiency. Hopefully all of those complicated cam drives and fuel pumps and water pumps hold up long term. Mazda has a pretty good reputation for reliability but we'll see over the next few years.
Beautiful vehicle for sure and I do like the inline-6 but I would not buy this all the stuff you got to take out just to work on it I would pass desert very surprised at Mazda that they did this but a beautiful vehicle
You’ll never get information like this from standard car reviews. I love it. Thank you!
@@MrDilbert111 thats because all his information is incorrect and he stumbles through shit he doesnt understand, i would not trust him with my grandmas car
@@gamethenorth9666 AGREED! EX: the lack of torque converter removes inefficiency and power lag. I have it in my 6 speed 2019 Mazda CX-5 2.4 L. Turbo, AWD. Works great and reduces acceleration lag, as does the brilliant butterfly valve to speed up the turbo impeller at low speeds., greatly REDUCING turbo lag.
EX: The rear suspension of the CX-90 is MULTI LINK. with more than just a "double wishbone" suspension, WHICH THE FRONT ACTUALLY IS. Duuuhhh!
Test drove one two days ago. Nothing rattles, nothing shakes, it feels very slick and solid.
Isn't every new vehicle like that???
@@clarkkent9080 Imo, yes, but the video spoke of otherwise.
@@Resistculturaldecline Was he talking about the "jitteryness" in the power train that many people have commented on when the vehicle switches between ICE and EV at low speeds and when first starting out?
@@clarkkent9080 32:50
@@Resistculturaldecline I looked at one but did not drive it or open the doors so I cannot comment on what the CCN is describing. However the #5 complaint of owners is described below.
5. Door Noise
Some Mazda CX-90 owners may notice a strange squeaking, rubbing or rattling noise when closing the front doors.
The CX-90 is a completely new vehicle (except the 2.5 l 4 cyclinder in the PHEV) and every manufacturer has problems in the first few years of a new vehicle. I do not buy something to work the bugs out for others.
Having driven one all I can say is that it is a beautiful car in every way.
Same here having owned this vehicle for several months now, this review makes me confuse. It is an excellent vehicle!
37:42 💀
@873 I am not deterred. I'll lease it for three years so I'll never have to worry about repairs. BTW, I'm also a huge fan of BMW, Audi, and Mercedes.
@@SolutionFinishPH why? you just dont like hearing the cons of the vehicle.
As a auto engineer I love this guys reviews extremely factual and informative. It's a shame that you can't buy one without the hybrid system.
the hybrid system isn't all that bad. my biggest frustration with it is it turns off the engine way too soon and even some mild braking will turn the engine off and then back on again right away. it's something you can control with the brakes, but it's some getting used to. my biggest beef with it, by far and not mentioned in this video, is the transmission. it's really poor. accelerating feels laggy and very rough in first gear.
however, going from a cx-9 to a cx-90 feels the opposite of what was talked in the video. the car is better, definitely more luxurious, roomier, sportier, eats about 30% less fuel, and looks the best in the segment. however, i'm just leasing it, so if troubles occur, they are not my problem 😁
You can buy one without the hybrid
@@DWK33no, even the non-PHEV inline-6 power train uses “mild hybrid” system.
Sure about that?@@DWK33
@@hassansuboh1891even the regular cx90 3.3 turbo??
This type of information cannot be found elsewhere and is the reason I’m a subscriber of this channel. Because I like to own my cars for 10-15 years and like to DIY maintenance and repairs. Won’t be buying into a car that need to remove the engine for all the reasons mentioned here
Stick to NA ICE large / medium displacement engines
Just trade it in before the warranty ends.
You mean you have replaced an engine timing chain yourself before ? 😂 Timing chains on Japanese cars last the life of the cars and never need to be replaced. I would rather have a car with a timing chain in the back of the engine than a timing belt in front of the engine
@@Matys1975 I do agree that this will be reliable and you will likely not need to replace it, but a timing belt has many advantages. I have an acura TL (3rd gen, v6) and it uses a timing belt. Man that thing is smooth and refined, and also extremely quiet. It is very easy to replace (DIY 4 hours with water pump and bearings/tensioners), inexpensive, and completely eliminates the issue of guide wear and stretching. Chains do stretch, and they are not truly maintenance free. To each their own, but I firmly maintain timing belts are a very good solution if implemented correctly, and they still do last over a 100,000 miles.
@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 great 👍🏻 points
This review is so ASMR to me. He doesn't overexcite and keeps same tone to details no other car reviewer can ever do.
When they said Mazda wanted to move in luxury segment and take on BMW they really meant it 😅
In a bad way!
Lol
🔥🔥🔥
After watching this, I'm so glad we bought one of the last brand new CX-9s...Got a hell of a deal on it too.
@@hillyard23congratulations, cx-9 was definitely one of the best mazda models made. I remember we were running 2-3k rebates on the cx-9 before they sold out at the dealership, such a steal
I applaud Mazda bringing in an inline 6 with rear wheel drive dynamics on this vehicle
Very refreshing to find your channel and see this type of review. After years of watching car reviews on RUclips, I have not found another channel that offers quite the insight/perspective that you do! Please keep the videos coming!
As a present owner of a Mazda CX-9 and an engineer myself, I agree with your assessment. One of the biggest reasons I purchased a Mazda was reliability. I felt the power train especially the transmission on the CX90 was overly complicated especially to gain a couple of more mpg. I daily drive my CX9 between highway and stop and go traffic resulting in an average of 23 mpg. I will be waiting a couple of years to see how reliable the the cx90 will be before purchasing.
At this point mazda cx9 still better choice and reliability than new cx90
Unless the 3rd row is necessary the cx-50 is a better choice in comparison.
Got the last year CX9 and could not be happier. I hope Mazda does not lose its reliability with newer models
@serotonin2456 that's what I thinking. Congratulation of your bullet proof shark 🦈 cx9
I wouldn't doubt if this little inline 6 engine ends up in a sports car yet and that's why they decided to make it a tight fit.
An engineer's delight & a technician's nightmare!
Engineered to fail🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mechanics actually love straight six cylinder engines. Solid, fast and reliable. The downside it's a gas hog.
@@rbyee7571Gas hog? Really? 25mpg combined and 28 highway. I’m averaging 29mpg in my CX90 MHEV.
@@robarmour4062 I'm talking about the old straight six. Grand Cherokee, Supra, FJ cruiser and so on. If this is a new straight six engine, let's see if it's as reliable and built to last type of engine
@@robarmour4062 I have seen those PHEV CX-90s get over 50MPG with the full hybrid system with the 2.5L 4 cylinder.
This is the honest review I have been looking for. When I went to the dealer, the sale-person told me completely the contrary; he stated "This nice thing about this engine is that you can probably work on it yourself, it's soooo open!". However, the way you describe it Mr. Author is completely different, so, thank you!
I test drive this car and it is an absolute treat!! Highly recommend it.
I’ve already got 9k on my Cx-90 Premium with absolutely no issues so far so I’m hoping she stays reliable for us. Fun to drive and handles great when compared to most 3 row suvs in the 40-55k range. In certain situations it can get slightly clunky in transition between iStop but it doesn’t seem to be an issue during regular driving where you can be more deliberate. Luckily you can turn off iStop with the push of a button.
Were you really expecting to have absolutely any problems in 9k only?! Lol
9k miles is basically new, bro! LoL; you're still in the honeymoon period. even a Chrysler will be perfect then; get to 10 years or 100k miles - a whole different story.
@@mahdavimailMy 2020 Ford Explorer had to have the Transmission completely pulled out and replaced at 5K. Lol.
That's why I'm here.
@@v____lwell I think mazda took Toyota Supra(bmw) i6 as patent to make their own i6
9K 😂 drive 100-150K than start talking
I picked one up last week. Love the 6 with the turbo. Jumped up from a 22 CX 5 and regret nothing.
im picking mine up in 3 weeks
@@mbenton6 You guys are strong af just picking up SUVs off the ground.
@@s4nder86 ikr, exactly my thinking.
@@s4nder86😂😂😂. You silly
i am picking mine in next week ❤
A timing chain, in most cases, is not a maintenance item, if the vehicle is properly maintained the chain should last the life of the vehicle. Timing belts on the other hand are maintenance items and require 60-100K replacement. The CX-90 looks like a lot of car for $60K, but because it's totally new only time will tell if it's reliable.
Tell that to bmw and Audi, who have timing chain problems all the time.
Yeh bmw e92 n47 engine the worst ever timing chain engine.u dont need to maintain it.coz it fail at around 55,000 miles.
@@areallytallguy I think you said the two magic words on that one.
@@areallytallguy mazdas are way more reliable than both of those car brands period
@@mbenton6 they won’t be if they keep making engines like this.
I have a 2016 CX5 (2.5L non turbo), close to $100k problem free so far. Feels solid and I am sure will last many more miles. Was in the market for a 3row, the CX90 was in the top list until I saw this. I like that Mazda is stepping up to a more luxury feel but would prefer if they kept at least one engine option without all the complicated hardware and that is easy to maintain. One of the strong selling points of buying a Mazda over a BMW, other than price. Concentrate on that and wait until the market decides how is going to handle EVs for the masses, or have a separate team working exclusively on that.
The infotainment is another area that could be improved. I was able to activate touch screen under all conditions on my model and then after an update it went back to being disabled during driving. This is a different path from all other manufacturers and something where Mazda could let the driver decide how to interact with it on their own.
I would still consider a Mazda on the future, excited to see where they will go next.
My wife bought one,I drove it,I don't really see alot of the complaints you listed..I love it,just my opinion
What were you expecting to see? You wont see anything in the short term. Wait till you cross 200k kms/miles, when a bunch of things need replacing that is when all these things he talked about come in.
* * * The more I watch these "mechanic's reviews" the more I do NOT want to buy ANY CAR! * * *
Lol
This is the only car review channel I make my final purchasing decision on. I can't wait for the new Lexus GX (2024) to come and and have you review it, I know it's going to be a while.
I used to agree and loved this channel and trusted it. But this guy's opinion of the suspension,,/handling and performance of the CX90 is at direct odds to every other review I have watched/read. Most of these other reviews compared 5 or 6 different vehicles in this segment as well, driven back to back. So to me, I think this guy is basing his driving impressions on his own recollection which is always a terrible idea. Because if the last car you drove was a Corolla GR and you jump in a 3 row SUV, of course it's going to feel like garbage!
He usually has a keen eye for assessing and reviewing cars. In this case, ignore his review of the CX-90...
@shawna7813 you have one? How you like it?
I don’t have the technical background to second guess his opinions, but when he says the CX-90 doesn’t handle well, I have to call BS on that bc I’ve spent a lot of time behind the wheel of my wife’s CX-90 and it handles beautifully for a car of its size, and I’m saying that as someone who drives a Model S.
Some things that he says are opinions. The mechanicals comments are from a professional that repairs vehicles for a living.
Model s is known for handling?? Lmfao… obviously you dont know a dam thing about “handling”, kid.
I'll trust this mechanic every time after watching many of his videos and the details he goes into. At this point you already bought the cx90 so you're stuck.
Things like handling can be subjective, but you can't honestly say a Tesla handles well. They don't. They're too heavy, and the tires and suspension are too stiff and jarring.
shit review
Having owned four Japanese sports cars, I find the CX-90 inline 6 drives reminiscent of them...Firm sporty feel. I am not sensing a delay at the accelerator. I'm more comfortable owning a new design Mazda than any Kia or GM...Had it for about 6 weeks...No issues...I understand the repair concerns are long term..I'm not expecting chronic expensive repairs as I had with BMW.
I'm not expecting to get hit by lightning tomorrow....
@@TheKingOfInappropriateCommentsthis guys plays into people's fears about owning a new car. Mazda is what's next and I am not letting one fake engineer get in the way of that... period. I would trust a Japanese automobile company with top reliability over this guy.
@@mbenton6 Ii have a CX 9. so i hear ya
@@mbenton6 I'll be happy to send you the receipt of the 6 recalls just repaired and the faulty rack and pinion... Buy a Telluride, Palisade, or Grand Highlander... Take my advice.
@@mbenton6He is simply being realistic from mechanics perspective. Back in WWII the simplicity of the Sherman tanks made it easy to repair by any tank crew in a few hours that was mechanically inclined that could fix a tractor back home. While the Germans tanks over engineering resulted in the tanks being out of commission for days at a time for a repair.
By the way below is an interesting video of different mechanic that did head gasket job on a CX-9 and was shocked at how many parts he had to remove to replace the gasket.
ruclips.net/video/YJMWvyDP3j8/видео.htmlsi=r_j_XnSvjn5BjXMG
I sold my gle350 and bought cx90 yesterday. Perfect car. Worth.
How is it going so far?
@@blissfuljoy6049 Not bad. Powerful and easy to handle.
I got the PHEV version of this last week, and it's awesome. The all electric range is just right for me. The inline six looks good, but I wanted the better gas mileage.
How is it doing? Are the seats and AC decent?
@@blissfuljoy6049 definitely. I love the car. I get like 57 mpg too, at the cost of like $60-70 per month in electricity, which isn't bad for a 5k lbs SUV.
I think you’re being a bit harsh at 14:35 when you say the car adds unnecessary complexity to achieve nothing spectacular. If that’s the case, tell me what other large, heavy, 3 row SUV with a straight 6 engine is almost touching 30mpg with 340hp/370lb ft torque? It’s complicated for a reason. It gets better fuel economy, torque and horsepower figures than a 4 cylinder Highlander! Oh and it’s much bigger than a Highlander too
Gas is much cheaper than the cost to pull and engine to replace a $20 part.
So glad you produced this video, I was intrigued by the other YT vids talking about the amenities but none focused on the important topics like you did! Can you post a vid with your 2024 top 1-2 picks in each class of SUV?
I own a CX-90 turbo S premium, I feel the handling is very good and well planted, no body roll noticed , comfortable seats I'm 6'1" tall . easy to enter and exit the due to the height of the drivers seat. Facial recognition for seat position memory. 70-75 mph=30 mpg which is better than the PHEV model after the hybrid battery is drained. Off the line the clutch is not as smooth as other SUV's but you hardly notice after a few hundred miles. I don't have the optional rear center console , my kids and dog can pass through to the 3rd row easily. 6k lb towing. very torquey @ 2000 RPM. Looking forward to the E85 tune and blow-off valve (kidding)
Ok if You can afford to trade every two Years, before The Warrantee Expires!
I’m confused by a lot of the comments from this guy. I have 15k miles on my TurboS. I never have any delays with anything. The start from iStop is flawless. The extra punch from the MHEV is great. And the car corners very well.
I think he is a LITTLE BIASED against Mazda,MY wife and I own this same model and I don't see it,We Love it
Just got one yesterday and it’s amazing.
Until your repair bills for engine out arrive
I can always trust your brutally honest, comprehensive reviews.
I hope Mazda engineers take some pointers from this mechanic.
@@oneiros1401mazda dont have to listen to this toyota guy
@@mbenton6 Mazda listens a lot to the Toyota guys.
God bless you for making these videos. You convinced me to buy a 2023 CX5 and I thank you for that. Cheers from Canada
Mazda makes the most reliable cars hands down. My brother has had his 2016 Mazda 6 for over 300k miles and it only needed a new O2 sensor. I just got the 2021 Mazda 3 hatchback premium plus trim. It’s immaculate and feels like a new driving experience every time I drive it
The 2 and 2.5 liter 4 cyclinder are well built and extremely easy to work on. This I6 has none of that. Only time will tell
So your brother averaged 37.5k a year in his car. What does he do to drive so much?
We have 2 Mazdas , first one (Miata) we purchased new in 2000 and only has 47k miles . Second (2014 Mazda -5 ) purchased used in 2016 with 30k miles and currently has 194k. Both cars are working flawlessly with regular maintenance.
Except this car is way more complicated than previous Mazda`s and will be massively expensive to own long term.
Just learned of this channel and I love it. Thanks for the detailed review of the vehicles. All car owners should watch these videos prior to buying. Thank you!
Ok have just started watching. But, I love inline 6’s. Smooth and very steady torque.
I really appreciate this review.
Im a Cx9 owner and the car is very reliable. I was lookingforward to such review to decide whether I move to the next model or not. And you came in the right time.
Love my 2017 cx9
Thats why I went with the previous gen CX9 this year even though I originally wanted the CX90. Once I realized how everything on the 90 is new and complex, I went with the tried and true CX9 as I didn't want to mess around paying for repairs.
Yah, like he said in the video. Lots of questionable decisions were made for the engine.
I wish they kept the 9. They're all gone at local dealers, I won't risk my money on something with the potential for being this expensive to fix and no reliability history.
I will now be keeping my 2018 CX9 GT.....
That’s smart but not fun
So you don't get a warranty with your new cars?
AMD, Thanks once more for the honest appraisal. Your driving impressions of hesitancy in acceleration and mediocre handling are in keeping with other reviews. Your account of a hit and miss 'luxury' interior is also consistent with other reports. What really separates your review is the 'nuts and bolts' detailing of that ludicrously complicated drivetrain which is a priceless warning to potential shoppers. 👏👏👏👏
Mazda never claimed this was a luxury vehicle. Most of the people who call this a luxury vehicle are the consumers.
@@thaphenom9446 they have explicitly stated they want to sit between regular car brands Toyota and Honda level and the luxury level. frankly, I think they went a little beyond that reaching closer to near entry-level luxury. it feels premium and has significantly lower road noise than economy brands by up to 5 decibels at equal speeds to economy brands. now the long-term construction of the materials seems to sit above economy for sure but further away from that entry-level luxury segment than how the interior space looks and feels when new.
This is real car review, Other channels just show what can be read in a Specs list. Thanks for creating these content.
This is the most honest and and helpful review of a Mazda that I have come across. Good review.
This is the type of review everyone should be doing. I was waiting for this review. I was thinking of buying this one but now I need to look for something else. I wish Toyota dealers stop adding markups to the prices else grand highlander is a promising option
This is why I love watching your videos, because of your honesty & detail reviews about the vehicle you're reviewing.
No one does it the way you do.
Can you please do a in depth review on a Acura Rdx.
I have a 2017 CX-9 with just over 70K miles. My wife drives it mostly, but it's treated us well. I like the CX-90, but I don't love the extra complexity.
Made in Japan, very well put together and should be a reliable car. But for people who buy pre-owned 3-4yrs old like me, sounds like some repairs could be superexpensive if u have to yank out the engine often. I got 3yrs to figure it out!
Wow you are a true gem in the RUclips world. Anyone who plans to keep their vehicle passed the warranty and is still willing to buy this vehicle after watching this video is insane. Thank you for your excellent attention to detail that NO ONE ELSE on RUclips offers.
It’s good to have this review and see how it goes in few coming years. For someone who is looking to buy one now, I would personally lease it to see how the reliability is in 2-3 years
Hi, but as a humble opinion, leasing is kind of a loss of money in down the line of 3 yrs right? It would be great to know what's your thoughts on leasing.
@@karthikeyans8922how? You can still buy it after you lease which comes to the samething
@@frgggggdsedd6913 But let's say if we decided not to buy due to some issues it gives. So money spent those 3 yrs would be waste right except that we drove it for 3 yrs.?
@@karthikeyans8922 this statement doesn’t really make sense, if you buy it youre stuck with a vehicle thats a potential lemon and for waranty the dealer can pushback make you go in circles until its confirmed. If you lease they will take care of the car no matter what because their goal is to take back the car and get you in another vehicle so they make sure the car is in best shape. If you want to buy the car after lease youre going to pay the balance left (from the amount you paid on the lease) which comes to the same total balance as if you financed it except you had lower payments, so why would you buy it upfront?
@@frgggggdsedd6913 But, if we decide not to buy it. We would have already paid like 4 to 5 Grand as down pay and around 500 to 600 dollars as monthly lease payment. What happens to that? Am just trying to understand here about the lease option in this case.
You some of the BEST auto reviews for real life. A real mechanic telling what the auto is really like front to the rear. 99 % of other reviews are about the Glamour of the auto.
U had my full attention. Then u said rear timing chain. Thank you so much for these reviews. I hope lots more people start watching ur videos and start educating themselves.
Whats wrong with rear timing chain?
Ease of repair
@@DJVetz510 It's in the rear, you'll have to pull out the whole engine to check/fix it.
I thought timing chains didn’t need replacing though?
A couple of weeks ago i saw this car at the Mazda dealer and i must say i'm very impressed by its looks and overall quality feel. And Mazdas are very reliable, so...if you can afford it, it's seems a very good buy!
Brother, you knocked it out of the Park, on this review.
All the reviews that I have watched say the CX-90’s handling is best in class for a 3 row SUV. Mazda introduced their Kinematic Posture Control into this cars design, the same system they use in their MX-5 Miata. Those reviewers are hitting the curves and having fun with the way the car drives with great feedback to you as a driver in a very Mazda way. The 340HP you get from the Inline 6 pushes you to have some fun after you drop the kids off at school.
This thing almost weigh like 5000lbs lol. An SUV at that weight how much fun are you gonna have? You don’t buy a car like this to have fun lol.
@@MrGeezil The X5 curb weight is between 4,828 - 5,672 lbs. The Porsche Cayenne curb weight is between 4,582 - 5,056 lbs. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@passZwordthose cars are way better than a Mazda
@@LiquidSm0kebut only diff is they're German moneymaker pit
@@MrGeezilDouble Bonus if you get one that does not drive like a bus but can deliver a fun driving experience when grandma is being chased by a reindeer and you can keep up.
Wow! Great review! I was considering this car...with that inline 6 turbo, but after seeing this review...no way. The complexity and need to pull the engine for what eventually needs replacement is a big no no on my part. Thanks. Best review out of over a dozen I looked at.
Extremely safe and stong body can survive t bone ....
Maurice benton
Although the timing chain is in the rear, it is doubtful it will ever need to be replaced on an inline-6. That is more of an issue on V6 and V8 cars. It's just an unrealistic problem.
@@Whodat-te6pnWhat if you want to replace it for preventative maintenance. That is, wanting to hold onto the car for 10 - 12 years or more?
Timing chains are not a maintenance item...at 300k, if you still are diving it, it will be due for a complete rebuild. This guy is borrowing trouble that will never rear it's ugly head
Your review is not accurate of the CX90 owership experience. I own the inline 6 Turbo S - 340 HP version and the small eletric motor only "assists" the engine from a stop so that there is abosultely no turbo lag from a stop. It works incredible as i dont even notice the car being a turbo car. Torque is immidiate from zero.
There is no rattle. Car drives amazing. Corners like a sports car. The suspension is on the sportier side which is why it handles so well. Being a RWD based allows this car to handle amazing. The engine is the really what;s special about this car.
But i did see the undercarriage and if Mazda paid THAT much attention to the undercarriage, I am now 100% confident this car was BUILT RIGHT!
You don't understand engineering. Just put 100k on car then dump it
If you’re in the market for a new car, this is the person to watch along with any other research you do on your journey to purchase. So much insight. This information will go a long way if you plan on keeping the car for more than 4 years. The repairs in this car seem like they will be very expensive. I was thinking of this instead of the cx9 because of the extra room but cx9 it is, unless i can find a pilot at good price.
After owning all type of mazda cx9s over the years and a true mazda loyalist I completely agree with this review and would wait for a while before buying one. Was really excited to buy it but after the test drive i found my cx9 2022 signature more stable in overall handling in every way.
OK, maybe it is not as stable as your CX nine and what Mazda is known for how does it compare to the competition is the question is it better than the Toyotas in the Nissan etc. and if it is it’s a non-issue
I think you are smart to see how the repairs go for a while.
Agreed! These aren’t just “a few little changes”, they re substantial both mechanically and aesthetically. There are going to be big issues that need to be ironed out
I've been waiting for a review that was this in-depth. I will never buy a first year of a new model vehicle but I actually considered buying this vehicle next year. I believe that I will wait and see how the reliability stands up over time. I've been told the newer I believe 2018 to current Mazda CX5's are very reliable vehicles. I do like how the CX90 is made in Japan like the CX5.
I have a CX-5 it is very well made
I have a CX-5 and was considering the Cx-70 but now I will just buy a CX-5 before they "improve" it by adding a hybrid
Past CX9 has been wonderful for me. I was considering this car. But this year 2024 it's a no. Color is gorgeous
I enjoy how Mazda doesn't make everything in their lineup in America. My miata is still made in Japan like my old Acura was. It may be the same parts but American build quality will NEVER compare imo
Give The Car A Chance To Prove Itself. All Cars Have Different Issues! Man Is Not Perfect, And Nothing We Make Is!!!
I must rethink buying this vehicle.. your review has given me alot to think about... service departments are short staffed and have constant turnover.. this is the type of product you wish never to visit service dept out-of-warranty. I love the product but maybe a Toyota or Honda might be a better choice in the long run.
Way too much junk it doesn't need for 325hp and 25mpg.
The suspension is part aluminum and part steel because it changes the handling characteristics. The engine and mild hybrid set up is Mazdas version of BMWs straight six mild hybrid set up. BMWs has easily been the most reliable drive train they have ever put in a car. With the reliability of Skyacttive engine technology, Mazdas may be even more reliable . Note, your favorite car company (Toyota) thought so much of BMWs straight six they put it in the Supra.
As a mechanic that has a cx5 and works on all makes and models..yes i am gonna buy one
I dont worry about Mazda reliability. Its rock solid. Im geting my nect month
We have one and I like it.
Good luck after alot of miles
@@occckid123 my 2017 Mazda 6 has 170,000 miles and still drive like new
@@mbenton6 and? I have 176k miles on my 19 altima and it drives like new also. My 2016 altima has almost 430k miles now. Ig I had the turbo engine I would be more worried about putting over 200k miles on a vehicle like this because it seems if it happens to mess up that it will cost you so much more than usual.
@@occckid123 sorry. I dont drive CVT transmission. I drive real cars that changes gears and I know what my car is doing. I will never buy a Nissan. You're pathetic. Dont talk to me about cars and you're driving a CVT. Look at mazdas reliability and look at Nissan. Enough said.
Is anyone surprised? This is a car from the only company still trying to keep rotary engines alive. Gotta love 'em for doing hard things.
Wow. Almost a half hour bashing Mazda session ! Great review !
I understand how expensive it can be to replace the timing “chain”, but realistically, how often does it need changing? Now, if it was a timing “BELT,” I could understand that concern…
I can see his view on many of his points, but I purchased one anyways. I liked what I get for the money, and I am pretty happy about it.
VAG started the rear chain drives with the W8 and the 4.2 in the B5.5 S4 and A6 AllRoad. It was fun dropping the powertrain out the bottom for every oil drip, particularly the timing cover.
Im not a SUV guy but this is good looking inside and out. Learning the needless complication unerhood would nake me lease and not buy it if i were inclined to drive one. Kinda surprised at Mazda on this one...
We'll see what happens with this. I'd still buy this with a decent amount of confidence based on the tremendous reliability seen with other Mazda engines recently, including one of my cars. It sucks when things are hard to access, but if they last 200,000 miles with just fluid changes and spark plugs then it's hard to call it a bad design. The 3.5L Ecoboost has an internal water pump, which everyone said would be a nightmare, but yet you hardly ever hear about them failing and plenty of people get those engines to go 200,000+ without tearing anything out of the truck. In the extreme case of Porsche, whose engines are typically very reliable and thoroughly stress tested, yet are about as inaccessible as it gets, you just don't hear very many complaints about the reliability or ownership experience. The problem with BMW and some other German engines is that they often have huge weaknesses AND they are a bitch to work on.
But yes I hope the engine people were aware how this would be installed in the cars and paid appropriate consideration to the strength of these components in inaccessible parts of the engine bay. Frankly I'm just happy we have a turbocharged inline-6 from Mazda at all, it's a great engine configuration from a great engine manufacturer.
I really like your mechanical reviews of these cars and thanks for saving me a headache while i was considering this car as a purchase.
I just took it off my list to look at
Great job! Reviews like this are worth the time spent!
Clearly most of the comments here are from people who have never driven the CX90. I was going to buy a Highlander, a Pilot or an XT5. The CX90 driving dynamics convinced me to go with Mazda.
Most comments here are not based on the driving dynamics of the CX-90 because this YT video is about serviceability or lack there of
I'm sure Mazda covered the serviceability part
I bought a cx90 a couple months ago. So far I like it very much. I apparently failed in my research. I didn't dig deep enough to learn all the engine complexities. I hope it is as reliable as my cx9 was.
He also did a review on the CX9 and that review was poor as well. If you enjoyed your CX9 you’ll love your CX90. In a criptic way Automotive Press addressed some of the Car Care Nut opinions and what Automotive Press said fell in line with what most would consider “common sense”.
So you are telling me if i really really really want the cx90 i should only do a lease, got it . Thanks for the review.
I wanted one but this review open my eyes, to do simple work I gotta take out the motor. 😢
I want one and here in japan you can get the regular 2.5 skyactive engine and a not hybrid diesel that are actually cheaper than the hybrid.
Absence of sway bar could could explained with Kinematic posture control - which is a software thing. Absence of sway bar may mean better packaging and lower weight…
Soooo glad I saw this before giving up my CX-9 and kicking myself for it later when the CX-90 has major problems. I did test drive it and definitely noticed the delays and the clunky shifting from low gears. Wasn’t impressed with handling either. The shifter was confusing and the salesperson said everyone has a hard time with it and puts it in reverse instead of park. I asked if there were any known problems and she said they were already having transmission failures with the PHEV models, so I’ll pass. Thank you!
If you have a problem figuring out the shifter, you might want to consider a Bicycle.
Got mine a few weeks ago, took the family on a trip 5 adults 2 kids we all fit luggage and all. Our drive was thru the mountains full of curves, uphills and down hills no problem. I felt it handled the curves very well even if it didnt have a rear sway bar. I was surprised at the power when i needed it to pass a car, no problem just give it some gas and listen to the engine roar! Lol. Honestly guys the cx 90 handled very well i am happy with my purchase for now! Only time will tell
My previous truck was a 2007 tacoma V6 4.0l, which i loved our road trips on because of the power!. At first i was a bit worried i would miss the tacoma, but nope cx 90 did alot better for the trip and we where all comfortable.
Next long drive, it will go into limp mode
I felt no delay or lag at all on any of my drives. Not sure what he’s referring to there. It’s been great to me so far. It’s a lease so it’ll get a few years of drive time before I decide to really make it mine, just to be sure I like it as much as I think.
He means when you activate i-stop @kvastan86
Just test drove one. Impressive. But a mechanical nightmare by 100,000 miles. This is the best review and information on this 'marvel' I have found. Thanks VERY much for the timely warning.
Don't cross the street, you might get hit by a car 20 years from now!... you only did a test drive,and you KNOW what's going to happen 100k miles from now??? 😅😅😅
@@FrancisSullivan-j7t uh. yeah. do you watch mechanics reviews just to see the colors change on your screen?
AMD, thanks for the honest appraisal...was in the market for this, but not so much after your review.
Would like to see your assessment of the 1) CX-90 PHEV & 2) Genesis GV70 (2.5T)...any chance you'd be reviewing either one anytime soon?
My dad is a mechanic, so we enjoy & appreciate your reviews.😊
I have a 2019 CX-3 GT 117,346 miles still amazing
I STILL trust Mazda being fully Made In Japan with their attention to detail. I will also bet that this engine transmission setup is FAR more reliable and less costly than BMW inline 6 maintenance. Lastly a timing chain can usually last the lifespan of an engine and if it ever needs replacing, it will only happen once or twice and this CX-90 will more than likely get 200,000 plus miles with little to no issues.
As always, your expertise and honesty are much appreciated!
I love how this sort of coverage pressures auto engineers to keep in mind servicability and quality components. More screens, more fake stitched leather, more big moonroofs to not equate to a quality product. What's underneath and how it's put together really, really matters!
Thanks a lot for reviewing this. This was on my short list since we’ve had really good luck with several CX-5s, a Mazda3, and a Mazda.6 wagon. Hearing about the Audi-style timing chain placement, mild hybrid system, driveshaft through the oil pan, and multi-purpose starter/alternator/hybrid motor have turned me off of it. I imagine the upcoming CX-70 will be the same way. I appreciate the honesty you always bring in your work.
In comparison cx-50 would be a better choice imo.
@@stevenstrain283GM 3.0 diesel does it too, but they used wet belt design for the oil pump😂
I'll stick to my 23 non-turbo CX-50. Best car I've ever owned by leaps and bounds, and super easy to work on.
Exactly. The 2.5 is a very reliable powerplant. In the CX 90 PHEV its linnear mounted. Everything one could need to access for "long term" heavier maintenance is right there.
Is the CX-50 the same size as a CX-5?
@@peterkoe5044 who said the cx90 isn't reliable. I'll bring in one in 3 weeks
@@Moondoggy1941X-5 they make since 2013, updated 2018. Maid in Japan.
CX 50 completely new structure built in US Toyota plant collaboration, which is good. These 2 cars got exact same power plant.
50 is bigger in every way, 5 is just taller… that’s all
@@LANDIIIIIOFIIIIIFIREexcept it has a smaller total cargo capacity than the CX-5
Mazda LOST me on this model. Like he said, it is TOO complicated!
Great Review, keep up the good work.
who said its too complicated. mazda would not have made it if they thought it was too complicated. dont make your decision on one reviewer who was probably paid off
My head still spinning from technical explanations, but I really appreciated your through and honest explanations. I have been considering Mazda SUV and your review was very helpful in my decision making process.
I've been considering the Mazda CX-90, but after diving into customer reviews, it seems there are a lot of issues with this model. Plus, it’s had 7 recalls in the past 6 months.
Thank you for your opinion, Mr. . "I am a Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician" who is trashing a Mazda. I have a CX-90 and it handles amazing. The entire video became suspect because you seem to be shilling for Toyota by trashing its competitors, and the fact that pretty much everyone who has driven a CX-90 (including me), praises its superior handling and cornering.
He no longer works for Toyota as he has his own shop.
BTW, the description for what has to be removed to do those simple repairs comes from the Mazda repair manual not his opinion.
But you are correct, Dave Coleman the lead U.S. engineer stated that handling took priority. Handling over serviceability is exactly the same build logic of BMW.....welcome to the BMazdaW club.
@@clarkkent9080 all good. I won't be asking him to service the CX-90. And I will take Mazda handling ANY DAY.
😂😂😂.. some people are so worried about the serviceability on it.. and the worst part is, their mentality is all about replacing the timing chain.. 😂😂😂. 😅. Keep trying.. enjoy your cx 90.. mazda all the way.. very reliable made in japan!. 😮😮.
@@xsej4223 This guy xsej4223 is a Mazda employee and one of many commenting on these channels trying to cover up the issues with the CX-90. Watch the care care nut review on the CX-90. He does NOT rely on any manufacturer for vehicles to review and is one of the truly honest reviewers. What the CCN says needs to be removed for service of the various components is NOT his opinion but comes DIRECTLY from the Mazda service manual. Information is knowledge, do with it what you want.
@@RandyMagruder Dude, that is fine. Your choice. But why even bother watching these channels when you already purchased one?
I test drove one yesterday and wasn't overwhelmed. One thing I felt that the seat was a little narrow and might be uncomfortable after a while. Very good review and I thank you a lot.
When I test drove a CX-50, I found the seat to be so firm it was hard. Otherwise, I might own a Mazda today.
What the hell I was doing with my life that I wasn’t subscribed to this channel ❤
Safer, Luxurious, Fun to drive, Reliable and made in Japan.. I love Mazda.
I drove this one. No debate, no comparison. Made in Japan, imported from Japan. Inline six combustion turbo plenty of power. I had Cressida and Supra Toyota - both had in-line engine. Not bunch laziness car manufacturers engine with transverse.
Thank you so much for giving us more detailed insights on how an engine or car manufacturing can make difference in real world.
If possible please add Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV 2023 into your review list
Appreciate once again for amazing efforts in giving us comprehensive details of the car
Great video breaking this car down. Could you do a similar video for the Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid?
Im 6' 1" ..2nd row seat is not horrible.
I was at a Mazda dealer. They said the timing chain will last "for the lifetime of the car". That's very true, cause by my estimate, its a $6000 job and the SUV will be worth under $9000 by then.
Amazing and honest review. Planning on buying one for my wife and me taking pride on self maintaining my own cars will think again about it.
I drove the CX-90 PHEV for a few days while my CX-50 was getting serviced, the delay he's referring too is quite real with the PHEV. When the battery is charged (which does not last for long) the car is very peppy and fun to drive, but if you're not fully sending it, the car gets confused between balancing electric and gas power, which can be scary if you need passing power in a pinch and are not accounting for it.
The complexity of that power train is amazing. Need more power and a clutch engages the electric motor. Need less power and it disengages. Need less power and cylinders deactivate in the ICE. take your foot off the accelerator and the engine shuts down and a clutch opens to disengage the transmission to allow you to coast. Touch the brake and a clutch engages the generator for regen braking. And all that can happen hundreds of times in a short drive. What could possibility go wrong?
Complexity = More issues = More expensive to fix
Thanks for this! U had me at taking the engine out. 😂 Was thinking about buying it, but not any more. This thing is going to be a costly nightmare to maintain.
When you mentioned straight six, I thought good. Then it all went south. This looks like an opportunity missed. It's difficult to understand the design management process that signs this debacle off. Maybe the design chief was a pioneer who wanted to go down in history. Many of us have had a boss like this. Thanks to all TCCN.
And I thought Toyota screwed up using the BMW inline six for the Supra! This is much worse
@@pedrofernandez8729 I bought my last ever six cylinder diesel BMW in 2017. I happily gave them my money in exchange for a good quality car. The thing turned out to be unreliable overpriced junk.
@@pedrofernandez8729 its obviously better then anything toyota had.. and it continue to be the best(regular cost) inline 6 in the world
Bmw I6 bell more friendly to work on says a lot
@@pedrofernandez8729 , sounds like they went WOKE.
Has to be the best review on anything including cars I have seen. Sir you have a rare talent!!
I just purchased a 2024 Mazda CX 90 but I will be selling it within 6 months for an 2024 Cadillac Lyriq. I love your honest evaluation of the Mazda CX 90
have you sold the cx90?
Retard. Why didn’t you just wait for the crappy GM car then?
Foolish
My previous comment was removed. I think this guy was an idiot for doing that. He should have just bought the damned Cadillac in the first place.