Your technical videos are great! Being new it is fantastic to hear all the in's and out's with not only movements, but also intent at the many stages. I loved every min! Thank you.
@@ryanbluebowen To be honest. Thanks to you and you amazing information. I have contacted Krasimir Kostadinov for one of his machines. I think i am more excited for that than any Christmas i have ever known. You have a life long fan here man.
Hidden hook sounds and looks like giving your opponent the best possible leverage to simply press you into the pad. It looks like a kings move but without the benefit of the bone lock or the fight for hand control that comes with pronation.
Omg, he could just piss in your mouth and you would be happy. That is not high hook. High hook means hooking high that’s where the name comes from vs low hook, it’s completely different technique compared to what he is describing. Check how Zoloev pulled in 90kg last WAF worlds and you will see what high hook means. And this hidden hook is complete garbage, try to row with your back when you are on your biceps, insta pin if your opponent is at least as strong as you are.
omg. i was curious about high hook. Because Taras Ivakin says he use high hook not really a top roll and Todd hutching seminar also talks about high hook but he doesn't explain the technique in detail.. Thank You so much (i was the same person who search for how to beat kingsmove)
@@TheDurkmurder You re way beyond the acceptable limit of being rude. You can express yourself much more respectfully or at least a little bit more than this.
@@darkdevil6508 I know, just a little bit angry because of this stuff regarding high hook. It’s completely wrong and everyone in comments is happy to eat it
Great video. Just starting arm wrestling here in Brisbane. Can a high hook/hidden hook work well defensively against someone who has a very fast start with a lot of side pressure. The reason I ask this is because in a slow pull against my training partner I generally have his hand and out back pressure him (I naturally tend towards a toproll style), but in a match start he pretty much gets me in a flash pin every time and I am at a loss as to what my options are. This looks like it may work if I can keep my cup
to me that hidden hook looks a lot to what devon has been doing lately with his right hand, no shoulder commitment, like an open hook/toproll, locking that wrist flexion but neutralizing the opponent with the pronator.
I thought high hook is a rising hook ( preferably deep and protected pronation ) targeting the wrist and hand/fingers of your opponent with your cup strength where your backpressure and lat ( moving your elbow up and down on the pad when needed based on situation or context ) is the second most important element supporting your arm executing this technique followed by a constant passive side pressure throughout the whole time.
@@niels.online What ryan described as a high hook i see it more fitting the description of what i would call a rising toproll with an activate cupping ( basically same explanation in my original comment but switching the rising hook with protected/active pronation to a rising toproll with protected/active cup ).
@@ryanbluebowen Yeah , i wont debate on this manner as i am not experienced or knowledgeable enough to name/describe what techniques do exactly. But in my personal opinion and limited experience/knowledge that is what i feel a high hook is. The way i described high hook from my point of view is my strongest move on the table atm and i feel it whole heartedly as a rising hook meant to compromise and bleed the opponents overall hand fingers and wrist while constantly try to stay as tight as possible. I m sure i have a high chance of being wrong in calling this a high hook but that s how i feel it at the table. Basically using your rising cup and passive pronation to attack opponents overall hand.
to me the hook evolves into 2 attack positions hook + bicep ,what you see in 0:49 hook + tricep (shoulder press) ,what you see in 8:45 taras ivakins' technique is quite a hybrid.. it is like a hook that evolves into a toproll but let me explain some things that are not overseen by most people regarding taras ivakins style.. taras attacks you at the start, and its almost a combination of a hook/bicep attack and a toproll but let me explain it to you in a martial art way, because most people would only notice the arm strength in armwrestling.. when you fight taras, you are fighting the entirety of his body.. not just his arm, at the start he tries to stiffen his entire body making it act like a lever, then he rolls to his side with his entire stiff body behind it, and to make this move more effective i think he has his left foot lifted off the ground (armwrestling rules dictate one feet should always be on the ground so its perfectly legal to lift or push the table with your other leg/feet).. so this is the summary of taras' technique: stiffen the entire body including the left side making it act like one solid stick attack with a hook/toproll rotate the entire stiff body to its side lift the left foot off the ground so body comes down with additional help of gravity ruclips.net/video/yJklTcpqQwU/видео.html
The hidden hook certainly can be used anywhere on the table. It's all about baiting your opponent to rise and roll and then defeating their pronation with your cup.
@@ryanbluebowen lol. I meant couldbyou record it from other angles. I dont really understand the elbow placement and where you are aiming to drag them too.
I thought that what devon was doing in the high hook was Moving forward, supinating hard and searching for the height and then using rotation to pin instead of pure side. He started doing the hidden hook approaching his king's move. Would be happy if you can clear that! 😄
Supination and height leads to a can opener. Certainly part of a high hook. Winning shoulder line, inside someone's cup, while maintaining pronation is the key.
You are describing a sequence of moves. You never defined a high hook, how to a hit into a high hook, didn’t really talk about strengths you need for a high hook. Plus, you said the high hook is good for facing a stronger opponent. Everyone else I have heard weighing in on the subject says the high hook is only gonna work when you are the stronger opponent.
That’s not a high hook, your arm is too low, your arm should be posting high while cupped and using back pressure. Not sure why you’re pronating, it’s a high hook, shouldn’t be any pronation. It’s cup + post + back pressure and bone line
These technique videos are invaluable! 💪🏼 Thanks Ryan, hope to pull with you guys one day.
💪😁 thanks brother
Im going to watch this at least 100 times between now and next practice. Thank you Ryan!!
Let me know how it goes!
Haven’t lost to my friends since I started implementing your techniques! I now see table IQ is the most valuable thing ever! Thank you mr blue
"lets explain some things and clear out any confusion..." also "lets call the move an active/passive" lol. arm-wrestling 101
Love these technical videos keeping it real and love your energy man !
💪😁 cheers brother
Your technical videos are great! Being new it is fantastic to hear all the in's and out's with not only movements, but also intent at the many stages. I loved every min! Thank you.
You're welcome brother. Thrilled to hear you get value from this series.
@@ryanbluebowen To be honest. Thanks to you and you amazing information. I have contacted Krasimir Kostadinov for one of his machines. I think i am more excited for that than any Christmas i have ever known. You have a life long fan here man.
You should make a playlist with all of these technique videos. Would be easier to find
0:49 can I use back pressure / outside style with supination / "hooking"? Would it be classified as a hook or something else?
Beautifully explained.
Could have used this before my last supermatch against a strong toproller. Thank you
Hidden hook sounds and looks like giving your opponent the best possible leverage to simply press you into the pad. It looks like a kings move but without the benefit of the bone lock or the fight for hand control that comes with pronation.
your cup defends from the pin
Great Video🥰
Thank you bowen , no one even its master Devon, hadn't explained that mysterious technique like this for us. You are highly valuable.
Omg, he could just piss in your mouth and you would be happy. That is not high hook. High hook means hooking high that’s where the name comes from vs low hook, it’s completely different technique compared to what he is describing. Check how Zoloev pulled in 90kg last WAF worlds and you will see what high hook means. And this hidden hook is complete garbage, try to row with your back when you are on your biceps, insta pin if your opponent is at least as strong as you are.
Now I understands why Devon never tried to explain such complex techniques
These ones are the best but now I have to watch this 8 more times 👍
Just joined Armbet! Love the videos! Wanna learn as much as possible!
💪😁 thank you brother
I’ll be practicing this tomorrow
7:09 this position similar with the last round of Devon vs Brzenk
omg. i was curious about high hook. Because Taras Ivakin says he use high hook not really a top roll and Todd hutching seminar also talks about high hook but he doesn't explain the technique in detail.. Thank You so much
(i was the same person who search for how to beat kingsmove)
Omg, did Bowen show something similar to Ivakin? No, because Ivakin uses high hook, but Ryan just spit a bunch of nonsense
@@TheDurkmurder You re way beyond the acceptable limit of being rude. You can express yourself much more respectfully or at least a little bit more than this.
@@darkdevil6508 I know, just a little bit angry because of this stuff regarding high hook. It’s completely wrong and everyone in comments is happy to eat it
@@TheDurkmurder yeah its not similar to Taras. im new to the sport and Ryan video helps me understand this sport faster. so its okay
Great video. Just starting arm wrestling here in Brisbane. Can a high hook/hidden hook work well defensively against someone who has a very fast start with a lot of side pressure. The reason I ask this is because in a slow pull against my training partner I generally have his hand and out back pressure him (I naturally tend towards a toproll style), but in a match start he pretty much gets me in a flash pin every time and I am at a loss as to what my options are. This looks like it may work if I can keep my cup
@ryan blue bowen is this similar to Krasi's "defensive hook"
to me that hidden hook looks a lot to what devon has been doing lately with his right hand, no shoulder commitment, like an open hook/toproll, locking that wrist flexion but neutralizing the opponent with the pronator.
I'm 4 replays deep and I think a bird's eye view camera would be helpful split screen no pressure
What's the best starting position for this style, for someone with long arms?
Interesting concept
I thought high hook is a rising hook ( preferably deep and protected pronation ) targeting the wrist and hand/fingers of your opponent with your cup strength where your backpressure and lat ( moving your elbow up and down on the pad when needed based on situation or context ) is the second most important element supporting your arm executing this technique followed by a constant passive side pressure throughout the whole time.
Ya this has been my training/understanding too
Sounds to me like you're describing regripping for a toproll.
@@niels.online What ryan described as a high hook i see it more fitting the description of what i would call a rising toproll with an activate cupping ( basically same explanation in my original comment but switching the rising hook with protected/active pronation to a rising toproll with protected/active cup ).
It's a hook, because you never attack their fingers....you constantly attack their pronation.
If your attacking fingers it's a toproll
@@ryanbluebowen Yeah , i wont debate on this manner as i am not experienced or knowledgeable enough to name/describe what techniques do exactly. But in my personal opinion and limited experience/knowledge that is what i feel a high hook is. The way i described high hook from my point of view is my strongest move on the table atm and i feel it whole heartedly as a rising hook meant to compromise and bleed the opponents overall hand fingers and wrist while constantly try to stay as tight as possible. I m sure i have a high chance of being wrong in calling this a high hook but that s how i feel it at the table. Basically using your rising cup and passive pronation to attack opponents overall hand.
thanks bowen
Can you do a breakdown of Taras ivakins technique? Seems he does an attacking high hook while you described a long drawn high hook
to me the hook evolves into 2 attack positions
hook + bicep ,what you see in 0:49
hook + tricep (shoulder press) ,what you see in 8:45
taras ivakins' technique is quite a hybrid.. it is like a hook that evolves into a toproll
but let me explain some things that are not overseen by most people regarding taras ivakins style..
taras attacks you at the start, and its almost a combination of a hook/bicep attack and a toproll
but let me explain it to you in a martial art way, because most people would only notice the arm strength in armwrestling..
when you fight taras, you are fighting the entirety of his body.. not just his arm, at the start he tries to stiffen his entire body making it act like a lever, then he rolls to his side with his entire stiff body behind it, and to make this move more effective i think he has his left foot lifted off the ground (armwrestling rules dictate one feet should always be on the ground so its perfectly legal to lift or push the table with your other leg/feet)..
so this is the summary of taras' technique:
stiffen the entire body including the left side making it act like one solid stick
attack with a hook/toproll
rotate the entire stiff body to its side
lift the left foot off the ground so body comes down with additional help of gravity
ruclips.net/video/yJklTcpqQwU/видео.html
Could you do the hidden Hook at different angles. I really want to learn this!
The hidden hook certainly can be used anywhere on the table. It's all about baiting your opponent to rise and roll and then defeating their pronation with your cup.
@@ryanbluebowen lol. I meant couldbyou record it from other angles. I dont really understand the elbow placement and where you are aiming to drag them too.
Who is the strongest guy you ever gripped ryan?
Brzenk, Larrat, Bagent, Zohk, Petrenko
Nope.
So you just drag back not like hand to face type of backpressure
1 thing i would like to see, is u removing 1 peg (from your side) so we can see a little better your elbow, anyway good video 💪👍
I thought that what devon was doing in the high hook was Moving forward, supinating hard and searching for the height and then using rotation to pin instead of pure side.
He started doing the hidden hook approaching his king's move. Would be happy if you can clear that! 😄
Yes! Well described Luca! My thoughts too
Supination and height leads to a can opener. Certainly part of a high hook. Winning shoulder line, inside someone's cup, while maintaining pronation is the key.
Better explained than me. This is what i actually wanted to say lol. Great job Luca.
Not only can I learn step by step arm wrestling technique, I can polish my Ozzie accent.
He can counter you with a king's hook
Similar to the Devon vs Todd match
This is good supermatch strategy. In tournaments this is still energy wasting
Waiting to catch high hook
Hidden hook? You mean Devon's hidden video? 😂😂
Please make russian subtitles
Maybe Todzilla will start using this technique?
Todzilla uses plenty of technique. He just likes to pretend he doesn't.
@@ryanbluebowen PretendZilla
I see that technique from Devon larrat
where is "infinite LIKE" Button?
Legend 💪
You are describing a sequence of moves. You never defined a high hook, how to a hit into a high hook, didn’t really talk about strengths you need for a high hook. Plus, you said the high hook is good for facing a stronger opponent. Everyone else I have heard weighing in on the subject says the high hook is only gonna work when you are the stronger opponent.
That’s not a high hook, your arm is too low, your arm should be posting high while cupped and using back pressure. Not sure why you’re pronating, it’s a high hook, shouldn’t be any pronation. It’s cup + post + back pressure and bone line