Great video! I agree with you APC for pre treatment on extremely dirty vehicles is the way to go. I ❤ bilt hamber products but they are expensive & you must use a lot of product per wash. I use an APC pre wash when appropriate. ( kcx green star or msn). Thank you for sharing all of this information
@@Ecdetails OG Store, but from what I understand he’s pushing to get other distributors in USA (ie Car Supplies Warehouse, Detailed Image, Autogeek, etc.).
OG is the sole importer for the US now. He will have Touch-Less, Traceless, Atom Mac and the clay bars in the OG store. The full line will be available through Bilt Hamber's website, but will be fulfilled by OG. They are also going to work with other distributors that want it once stock gets built up. Price is $43 from OG, but actual shipping cost gets passed along (unless you're a Hex Plus member) so it ends up being essentially the same as Carzilla with "free" shipping, depending on where you live.
Great video. Would like to add about safety. Touch-less is really safe but apc’s do stain - it is easy to do. If you are working outside then take care of the sun when doing an apc prewash.
Thanks Eddie. I use an apc not a touch less more because the price. I run a small detailing business from home so I watch every penny I spend. I still need and want to do the best I can but just fornthe cheapest I can so I use an apc pre wash when the vehicle is super dirty. Thank you for proving I am doing things the correct way.
If you are a pro Do Not use Apc as a a go to method , it will damage paint and trim , and rubber , rember he is cleaning a car to look good for the moment in no way what he is doing is adding protection to the paint , plastic , or trim . If you had a client on a regular basis contract , overtime the car will dull rubber will dry and crack plastics will dull , what was not mentions is Bilthamber not only cleans without any costic chemicals it actually prevents rust , nourish rubber , and will slick the surface to prevent scratches , the truck was coated , each time he use apc to clean it he takes aprox months off the coatings life cycle . Just saving a dime is not worth it if you scratch a car .Apc is good on the inside for cleaning but ads zero protection, really a good dry steamer is better butlways go over plastcs and rubber with a protection or nourish treatment .when I was at a detailing center , my instructor told us Apc is awesome but it's a degreaser , and plastic and rubber is made of oils just like your skin if you continue to use a degreaser to clean your hand theh dry out and crack , paint rubber and plastics are the same way .
Eddie, I think you inadvertently just did a video to show the benefit of a high quality coating. I use Touchless v1 on my cars. On one that's coated with Feynlab ceramic v3 I can almost get the panel completely clean with just a run of the mill soap presoak. On the other car with just a spray sealant that gets driven very little I can't do the same and this is where Touchless comes in. Last thing I will say is with a product like Touchless you're actually paying for what's not in it. No caustic soda, NTA, or phosphates. It also contains corrosion inhibitors. I use mine in an ik Foam Pro 12 as you use way less product and don't have to worry about PIR. The APC pre rinse is definitely a proven method and works well.
Sup bro , in my video I did mentioned it wa sprobably the coating doign most of the work but on the windows with all teh bugs it took it all off especially the crickets . To your other point i've never smelled something so horrific that doesnt have Caustic soda, it smelled almost the same as fbomb im referencing v2 here v1 doesnt have that strong of s mell.
@@Ecdetails I heard you mention it. I just thought it was interesting that the video is about one thing, but was a perfect example to show something else as well. On the smell front I wonder if it's fermented sugar as Touchless is sugar based. You're about to send me into a rabbit hole now.
I have been using bilt hamber for a couple of years. The crazy thing is it is very gentle on all my different spray sealants. While cleaning as good as a much more aggressive chemical.
I saw a video where Starnjagloss Forst (APC) did better than Touch-less…I think I’m good with an APC rinse…great review Eddie!!! Perfect treat mid week!!!
I've boosted my soaps with Greenstar in the past and have also used Forst and they both have performed well getting rid of contaminates. The only true tests I have done thus far are SNO and Frostbite foamed on the surface, rinse and then followed up with a rinseless wash and both of those times I had extremely minimal dirt on my towels. I prefer these soaps over an APC because of ease of use with one product for simplicity versus multiple products and dilution ratios. Plus they're ready to go for the next quick wash as well!
It’s worth noting that because BH is made in the UK it’s A LOT cheaper here and therefore is good value for money, hence its popularity. It’s also sugar-based (unlike an APC) which means it’s much kinder to the environment and is safe to be rinsed away with causing problems to waterways and surrounding ecosystems 😊
Do you know that I brought trace less based on your recommendation best glass cleaner I’ve ever used in my life thanks for that. Also it’s like what John said about ads it’s to much cause of the tariff , shipping etc
Another awesome video Eddie definitely killing it. Haven’t tried any of the Bilt Hamber definitely have done the APC rinse though ,good stuff and appreciate your hard work.
Congratulations on 5,000 subscribers. I have been having good results with APC cleaning too. I do not want to do math when detailing and APC is pretty simple to calculate. Great video teaching all of us detailers!
I don’t have a use for a touch less wash personally. I rather do an apc rinse and rinseless wash. I think the Stars and Stripes is unique in that it’s like a 3ph wash where you hit it with an acidic one and then an alkaline one, with the idea being that the ph shock can help break loose more stuff.
Love the info , was really starting to look into touchless . No idea why since I was just adding APC to PH neutral soaps when the cars were extra dirty .
TOUCH-LESS is our new eco-friendly pressure-washer, pre-clean, snow foam which can be applied by pump spray or trigger too. Applied at between 0.5% - 2% PIR this bio-degradable sugar-based product provides truly exceptional levels of cleaning of automotive paintwork. Unlike other petrochemical-based cleaners TOUCH-LESS is free-and-easy rinsing, easing the effort of subsequent bucket washes and massively helping post-treatments bond too. TOUCH-LESS also contains corrosion inhibitors. Packed in a 1 litre bottle, contains no phosphates, solvents, NTA, or caustic soda. No bad 💩
Eddie since Touchless can be rinsed using a hose. Using it in sprayer makes PIR super easy. 20mil in 1000ml sprayer 2% for the new Touchless double the old.
Yeah I've been playing around with Touch-Less now and found that it is just as good out of a sprayer as it is from a foam cannon, so the math challenged don't have to do a PIR calculation.
I prefer to use my normal foam cannon mix of Incredible suds and just add in some all clean if needed and the amount I use is based on how dirty. You could also just spray the APC on the dirty area and then normal foam on top. These touch-less are far too expensive to me and the amount of product needed good lord. If your car is coated it’s going to clean easily anyways unless you have been letting it get clogged up and need a decon wash.
I’ve been using 2 oz of GS and 2 oz of GSF as a pre wash for years now and my experience is that APC does a great job breaking down dirt, dust, and bugs but doesn’t do that great of a job breaking down road grime from the rain. So I’m interested to see how bilt hammer does with that
Ya that part in the winter , apc did the same broke down the road film , I wish I would of record winner washes. I still think touch-less is a great product
Great vid. FWIW, when my kids come home from college, their cars are usually hammered and smothered with bugs. I've found that Touch-Less worked great on removing the bugs. I'm not sure where I heard it, but somebody on one of their RUclips videos mentioned that the glucose based surfactants (like those in Touch-Less) work especially well on organic matter. I've tried a few other APCs and Citrus Cleaners, but none worked as well as Touch-Less on the bugs. I haven't compared it to a dedicated bug remover, so can't offer any comparison. I used to go old school and spray the bugs with a higher PH soap, then cover with plastic wrap and "marinate" for about 30 minutes to keep it from drying out and allow it to break down the bugs (... plus we live in N. Texas and it gets freaking hot). Now if you asked me, do I NEED Touch-Less the answer is probably not. I do like it and it is part of my detailing chemical arsenal. I've also found the price to be pretty comparable with APCs when you buy it by the gallon/5L.
Im gonna tell you Touchless v2 took all the bucks off the car it was epic, I was referring to removing of grim does it matter? do you need a touchless product , people will use what they like and they have to test BUT I do want to say TOUCH-Less v2 removing bugs Gods work
It's very simple! It is just as effective from a spray bottle. 20mL in a 1000 mL bottle gives you a 2% solution that works the same as foaming it and uses way less product.
You really need to look into road warrior or dark fury for pre soak washes. It's like 20x cheaper than all 3 of these products and I love them. Dark fury kills bugs and road warrior can nail black streaking with no contact wash.
Bilt Hamber is godlike - I see a lot of you guys whining that it's expensive, here in EU is dirt cheap, it's like with Ethos or ADS or even P&s or other US stuff here in EU - they are cheap in the US - expensive here in EU. And as someone here stated - one attacks only dirt - the other attacks the dirt and the LSP.. Talking from experience - used Surfex HD on CanCoat Evo (fresh one - 3 months) and it destroyed it in about that time.
Man I wish I could get 55 gallons of trace less best glass cleaner man , also it’s true for us is expensive for y’all is probably the best bang for your buck
The PIR calc is super easy. Just fill your foam cannon bottle with water and spray it into a bucket until the foam cannon bottle is empty. Measure the amount dispensed. Then multiply by 0.005 (for .5% PIR), 0.01 (for 1%) or 0.02 (for 2%). Or just skip all that and apply it with a trigger sprayer or pump sprayer)foamer. It is just as effective when applying with a trigger sprayer. 20 mL in a 1000mL bottle will give you a 2% solution.
@@jeffc6832 thank you for this. To me it’s causing you to use more product than you necessarily wouldn’t need with other brands. It certainly works it’s just not for me. PIR to me is essentially a scam
I’ve been using super clean I throw it in my foam cannon and it does the job. I always hear it’s bad stuff and I definitely agree if you’re not careful. I’m definitely looking at touchless because it’s so hyped. But maybe after this video I just need a good APC that isn’t toxic…
My dad's van has no coating and has been getting undercoated by Rust Check and has some oil on the body, what would you recommended for a pre wash to soften the oil up? Thanks Eddie, for what you do, love your page. Watching from Ontario Canada!!
Cool comparison Eddie, ADS' APC looks like its coming along nicely. And yea... Bottom-Up rinsing can stay over in Europe, makes more work for me and I see no difference lol
Not using it in a foam cannon is the key for me. Using it in a sprayer like the Multi Pro 9/12 brings the cost down tremendously. I usually mix up ~5 liters with 100ml of Touch-less which allows me to do 3-4 cars depending on size.
This, with the new version 2 I do a 2% when is really dirty once a month…usually only need a 1% wash monthly with a rinseless wash eveey week in between. At that dilution with the IK foamer ir ends up being as cheap if not cheaper as any reputable APC like Green Star. No need to reinvent the wheel when there is a proven option available.
@@RowlandPeters It works excellent search here on RUclips for “Detailing Projects Bilt Hamber Touchless” that’s a review video and that’s how the guy uses it.
So what they say with the bilt hamber there's no caustic chemicals that would cause corrosion, but most apc would have that in.... i even switch to surfex HD Great comparison, bro. i do enjoy this video
Hey Eddie, I have a rotary to finish and a DA. I accidentally bought a 8mm instead of 15 mm on Amazon. Its goood but Is it worth returning the 8mm for a 15mm to do 1 steps? God bless you and your family.
You do the trial on a spotless truck that looks like it just rolled off the production line and the result is they both clean the same. Who wudda thunk it! Try doing the same test on a truck that hasn't been washed for six months in winter weather and you'll see B+H is streets above anything else.
Truck wasn’t spotless - had bugs all over so the test in that respect is valid. Any soap on a “muddy” but I get what your saying and well re test but I’m Not sure bilt is better then chem-x
Ive used All clean, Fbomb, Ethos , Ductile , green star, msn, car pro was my goto for a bit but never superclean, if you dilute it right dont let it dry you should be good One thing to do is test on a small plastic trim to see how it interacts
Unless someone comes out with a 20 to1 apc that actually cleans no reason to switch from diy all clean. I thought one of the benefits of ceramic coating was that level of dirt comes off easy with foam of ph neutral soap and rinse. Am i wrong?
@ileanasantiago1807 I've seen plenty of videos of people using just a pressure washer to remove bugs off a ceramic coated car. If yall think that truck is dirty you obviously never leave pavement. I drive dirt roads and muddy pastures weekly. I live in the south where bugs are a plenty. I can show you a dirty truck.
Yes, a good coating should come clean with a pH neutral soap and rinse. That said, heavier buildup sometimes requires more, and using a stronger cleaner occasionally can help keep the coating performing as it should.
@@thomassavage6025 Lol bro no one is saying anything against what you're saying, but the bugs have been on there for 3 weeks and generally it doesnt come off with just a PH neutral soap. I have to use APC / Decon or some high PH, especially for the crickets. Compared to your off roadiing I agree my truck isn't dirty compared to yours but it was still dirty lol. SO can coatings make it "self cleaning" sure but they are not bullet proof
One attacks dirt only and one attacks dirt and the protection...especially with how eco touchless v2 is, its an easy choice. Keep the apc for engine bays.
Hey, what's a great way to directly contact you with questions? I'm just getting into the paint correction and want to know the best ways and products, and preparation
I only use bilt hamber products in my detailing business, as it also prevents rust with the atom mac series plus the glass cleaner is amazing another thing is bilt hamber is not costic and no phosphates, Apc i would never use on paint as i want a slick surface to avoid scratches 😊 next time put the car in the sun , high end black car and use apc that has NOT been ceramic coated . Apc is super cheap , but if you leave a scratch on say a bugatti , Ferrari , just saving a dime will not be worth it
@Ecdetails please keep in mind the long term use of strong surfactants on a car panels, bilthamber has several types in their line up that actual prevent rust or eat rust, which is a bonus in rust belt areas. Yes using just a apc is cheaper in the short term but for myself my clients are on long term commitment so I treat a cars like human skin, paint needs to be nourished and replenished , apc will dry it out plus eats wax and ceramic coatings and both are not cheap to apply in the first place , as lots of the cars I do state to use products like swissvax and if a apc is used then say good bye to a customer and wax
@@rdeh1678Bilt Hambler does have strong surfactants - that's how it cleans. Without caustic ingredients, and without strong surfactants, the only remaining way to clean would be with solvents which would be even worse than surfactants for paint protection and components of your car. Surfactants are the method of cleaning that's least likely to cause degradation in materials or paint protection.
@@Ecdetails I have the new touchless having used it since I still have about a half of the old 5 Litter one. But it’s the same ratio % mix to a gallon. So about 4-5 ounces to a gallon.
@@MBV180With the new version I’m only using 2.5 ounces to 1 gallon of water on my IK Foam 12 and that’s when I need the strongest mix on the new version 2 for really dirty cars, I have great results with only 1.25 ounces for a 1% PIR on moderately dirty vehicles.
@@Ecdetails the forst is mighty and works wonders on tires too. But the Touchless at 2-4% in the Pump sprayer is just a weapon. Didn't compare them side by side but on wife's white car, the dirt just completely melts when using the Touchless. Only saw close to the same effect from Koch Chemie vbn but at 10% dilution.
APC is the way to go. Green star or ADS fixed in with their soaps. I have done it like this ever since green star came out. You are not saying “touch less” doesn’t work you as comparing the cost. It’s a no brainer.
man I love apc, but then I enjoyed the touchless experience as well for me I can keep apc mixed ik foam proper dilutions do the whole car spray off get to work . There is a bunch of apcs as well
@@Ecdetails I have used it for over a year and a half in very dirty cars and I get 99% results non-negative downsides no damage paint I have used it for over a year and a half in very dirty cars and I get 99% results non-negative downsides paint looks awesome on the other side bilthamber and primus are awful I tried all the soaps of the Market already , completely garbage to me sorry
I love the beaker! And I’m glad nothing stained Bev’s trim on that beautiful new truck! Thanks for showing different examples to pre wash! 5k is happening today so CONGRATS 🍾 🎉 🥩! Extra steak today for u my friend!!
Did you test the new BH Touch-less on the wheels/tire like you did with the APC from ADS? That would have been a good to know how it would work on wheels/tires. They seem to all perform the same but does the fact that the vehicle was ceramic coated? Try on a non coated vehicle. How does it any of these compare to Stars and Stripes? A video comparo on the BH, the ADD APC, Dark Fury, DIY Detail AllClean etc and the Stars and Stripes would be great to put it all out there.
I can assure you that there are a great number of people that it appeals to. People with disabilities, injuries, or older age still like to take care of their vehicles while lowering the impact that it has on their bodies.
the touchless is a buzzword. i also believe they have said they tone down the alkaline to 11 or 10 compare to V1. I personally prefer autofoam from BH cause it has a 22lit barrel and is 13ph not as foamy a MJJC is almost must have with it.
@@Ecdetails i believe is better and for in between washes to remove residue and proceed to the next step. Not only me but clients as well noticed the difference when i use it cause even the 22Lt is expensive to obtain in my country. all apc alkanine prewash can both be worked touchless and contact with touchless been the 1st to do
@@havingtoomuchfun4806 if you add 15ml to 1.5l (1%, or equivalent of 19c - yeah it's 1l for £10 here) in an IK sprayer, it's a Goldilocks ratio, cleans really well. Unlike an APC, this doesn't bash it's way through LSP's. So cheap, cleans well, leaves BSD alone and is environmentally friendly-ish (if you care about that kind of thing). For the love of god, don't dump 250ml in a foam cannon. Treat this stuff as a prewash, not a Snowfoam.
@@pigeonpoo1823Exactly what I commented before, this is the most efficient way to use these products, in a IK Foam Sprayer….I only use 1.25 Ounces for a 1 Gallon of distilled water and I wash a full size truck including wheel wells and wheels. That equals to 135 washes at 1% and 67 at 2%. Makes no sense to look elsewhere. Less than a dollar per wash!
Disappointed. I purchased Touchless recently, and I have to say I was not impressed. I used it at 1% in a pump sprayer. There was zero difference between the panel I pressure washed with plain water vs the panel I used with Touchless. I will try again at 2% and see how we go.
Foam Primus and rinse. Foam Touch-Less and rinse. Foam KCX SuperFoam and rinse. Foam Incredible Suds and rinse. Then my girl calls to say I’m late for our bootie call and she is going shopping . Now I’m pissed but my customer’s car is clean.
Quick google search of Bilt Hamber is pH 12, most Apc's are pH 10-12. So they are both caustic (i.e. Base). Dark fury which I like is pH 11, dirt cheap for gallon, and dilutable (1-4, 1-10). Only thing I haven't seen for comparison is how they effect car coatings. That is something I would love to see.
@@Ecdetails The SDS does not show anything about it being caustic. Even on the Bill Hamber website it says no caustic sodas used. Also, for @bobstudent10 the SDS says is 10-11 pH.
It has pH of 10.5 according to the "Touch-less New (presumably version 2)" SDS issued on 4/2023 and the only mention of corrosion is "skin corrosion - no data available".
If I wanted to be lazy, could I spray the entire car down with apc and let it dwell. Then come in and do my normal rinsless wash while the apc is still on the panel. Is that doable ? Don’t make me leave the garage to rinse 😂
Great video! I agree with you APC for pre treatment on extremely dirty vehicles is the way to go. I ❤ bilt hamber products but they are expensive & you must use a lot of product per wash. I use an APC pre wash when appropriate. ( kcx green star or msn). Thank you for sharing all of this information
Thanks for the v1 of bilt hamber I appreciate it
@@Ecdetails thank you 🙏 for all your generosity to me & the community
Tim! you can use this in a spray bottle like an APC. 20 mL in a 1000mL bottle gives you a 2% dilution that is just as effective as foaming it on!
I’m a long time Bilt Hamber user but I enjoy products pushing others. We all win.
Touchless v2 was good , ive almost used up all of v1 then started using APC's I think right now the price for v2 5l is 60 bucks
@@Ecdetails$43 for V2 5L
@@Jose.G.Y carzilla 60 for 5l
where you seeing 43 bucks that a good buy cost per use still high
@@Ecdetails OG Store, but from what I understand he’s pushing to get other distributors in USA (ie Car Supplies Warehouse, Detailed Image, Autogeek, etc.).
OG is the sole importer for the US now. He will have Touch-Less, Traceless, Atom Mac and the clay bars in the OG store. The full line will be available through Bilt Hamber's website, but will be fulfilled by OG. They are also going to work with other distributors that want it once stock gets built up.
Price is $43 from OG, but actual shipping cost gets passed along (unless you're a Hex Plus member) so it ends up being essentially the same as Carzilla with "free" shipping, depending on where you live.
Great video. Would like to add about safety. Touch-less is really safe but apc’s do stain - it is easy to do. If you are working outside then take care of the sun when doing an apc prewash.
Ill need to test that vs primus
Oh, shoot, getting a treat this Wednesday morning.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Eddie. I use an apc not a touch less more because the price. I run a small detailing business from home so I watch every penny I spend. I still need and want to do the best I can but just fornthe cheapest I can so I use an apc pre wash when the vehicle is super dirty. Thank you for proving I am doing things the correct way.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 I was wondering when ADS was gunna drop an APC… thats pretty exciting… i look forward to watching more testing 👊🏽
Ya im still testing it well see how it turns out!
If you are a pro Do Not use Apc as a a go to method , it will damage paint and trim , and rubber , rember he is cleaning a car to look good for the moment in no way what he is doing is adding protection to the paint , plastic , or trim . If you had a client on a regular basis contract , overtime the car will dull rubber will dry and crack plastics will dull , what was not mentions is Bilthamber not only cleans without any costic chemicals it actually prevents rust , nourish rubber , and will slick the surface to prevent scratches , the truck was coated , each time he use apc to clean it he takes aprox months off the coatings life cycle . Just saving a dime is not worth it if you scratch a car .Apc is good on the inside for cleaning but ads zero protection, really a good dry steamer is better butlways go over plastcs and rubber with a protection or nourish treatment .when I was at a detailing center , my instructor told us Apc is awesome but it's a degreaser , and plastic and rubber is made of oils just like your skin if you continue to use a degreaser to clean your hand theh dry out and crack , paint rubber and plastics are the same way .
Eddie, I think you inadvertently just did a video to show the benefit of a high quality coating. I use Touchless v1 on my cars. On one that's coated with Feynlab ceramic v3 I can almost get the panel completely clean with just a run of the mill soap presoak. On the other car with just a spray sealant that gets driven very little I can't do the same and this is where Touchless comes in.
Last thing I will say is with a product like Touchless you're actually paying for what's not in it. No caustic soda, NTA, or phosphates. It also contains corrosion inhibitors. I use mine in an ik Foam Pro 12 as you use way less product and don't have to worry about PIR. The APC pre rinse is definitely a proven method and works well.
Sup bro , in my video I did mentioned it wa sprobably the coating doign most of the work but on the windows with all teh bugs it took it all off especially the crickets .
To your other point i've never smelled something so horrific that doesnt have Caustic soda, it smelled almost the same as fbomb im referencing v2 here v1 doesnt have that strong of s mell.
@@Ecdetails I heard you mention it. I just thought it was interesting that the video is about one thing, but was a perfect example to show something else as well.
On the smell front I wonder if it's fermented sugar as Touchless is sugar based. You're about to send me into a rabbit hole now.
I have been using bilt hamber for a couple of years. The crazy thing is it is very gentle on all my different spray sealants. While cleaning as good as a much more aggressive chemical.
Its a good soap and it did good removing everything from the truck
Yeah the formulation is much easier on LSPs than an APC is. Not all pH is created equal.
I saw a video where Starnjagloss Forst (APC) did better than Touch-less…I think I’m good with an APC rinse…great review Eddie!!! Perfect treat mid week!!!
FORST is stout , ya for me apc depending does a great job
I've boosted my soaps with Greenstar in the past and have also used Forst and they both have performed well getting rid of contaminates. The only true tests I have done thus far are SNO and Frostbite foamed on the surface, rinse and then followed up with a rinseless wash and both of those times I had extremely minimal dirt on my towels. I prefer these soaps over an APC because of ease of use with one product for simplicity versus multiple products and dilution ratios. Plus they're ready to go for the next quick wash as well!
Never tired Sno , illl have to give it a gander appreciate you sharing it man I love hybrid washe s
Hit 5k! Congrats Eddie 🎉👏🏼
Onto 10k and UP 🙌🏼
🎉 thanks man I appreciate you
It’s worth noting that because BH is made in the UK it’s A LOT cheaper here and therefore is good value for money, hence its popularity. It’s also sugar-based (unlike an APC) which means it’s much kinder to the environment and is safe to be rinsed away with causing problems to waterways and surrounding ecosystems 😊
Do you know that I brought trace less based on your recommendation best glass cleaner I’ve ever used in my life thanks for that. Also it’s like what John said about ads it’s to much cause of the tariff , shipping etc
@@Ecdetails ah so glad you got Traceless!!
Another awesome video Eddie definitely killing it. Haven’t tried any of the Bilt Hamber definitely have done the APC rinse though ,good stuff and appreciate your hard work.
Thank you so much!
Congratulations on 5,000 subscribers. I have been having good results with APC cleaning too. I do not want to do math when detailing and APC is pretty simple to calculate. Great video teaching all of us detailers!
Thanks Neil I appreciate you so much and apc are soo good
Bussin video, out here doing God's work!
Thanks Fred!
20 more subscribers until 5k, lets gooooo! That's fantastic.
wooo hooo
I don’t have a use for a touch less wash personally. I rather do an apc rinse and rinseless wash. I think the Stars and Stripes is unique in that it’s like a 3ph wash where you hit it with an acidic one and then an alkaline one, with the idea being that the ph shock can help break loose more stuff.
Stars and Stripes is real good but you need 2 cannons or sprayers and 2 soaps , we’ll need to do a test to make sure
Love the info , was really starting to look into touchless . No idea why since I was just adding APC to PH neutral soaps when the cars were extra dirty .
Thanks for watching bro I appreciate you and hope all is good
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TOUCH-LESS is our new eco-friendly pressure-washer, pre-clean, snow foam which can be applied by pump spray or trigger too. Applied at between 0.5% - 2% PIR this bio-degradable sugar-based product provides truly exceptional levels of cleaning of automotive paintwork. Unlike other petrochemical-based cleaners TOUCH-LESS is free-and-easy rinsing, easing the effort of subsequent bucket washes and massively helping post-treatments bond too. TOUCH-LESS also contains corrosion inhibitors. Packed in a 1 litre bottle, contains no phosphates, solvents, NTA, or caustic soda.
No bad 💩
Why’s it smells like it does that’s what confuses me it ms good stuff I thought it worked good
@@Ecdetails 🤷🏻♂️ no idea I just read the label😂 I’ve not had a sniff of V2 yet, maybe the increased concentration adds some extra whiff.
I love the realness bro
Thank you
Eddie! Checking in. Touch-less is the Grand master 🙌
Touchless v2 was real good
Eddie be pulling out beakers, Bunsen burners, an abacus, etc. lol
Haha 😆 my wife is like what happened 😂😂😂😂
Eddie since Touchless can be rinsed using a hose. Using it in sprayer makes PIR super easy. 20mil in 1000ml sprayer 2% for the new Touchless double the old.
Yeah I've been playing around with Touch-Less now and found that it is just as good out of a sprayer as it is from a foam cannon, so the math challenged don't have to do a PIR calculation.
I think all of it can be used with a hose, ALL clean, fbomb, msn etc
@@Ecdetails That beaker is awesome. Where did that one come from?
@@wescat2 Koch chemie website
@@Ecdetails Appreciate it.
I prefer to use my normal foam cannon mix of Incredible suds and just add in some all clean if needed and the amount I use is based on how dirty. You could also just spray the APC on the dirty area and then normal foam on top. These touch-less are far too expensive to me and the amount of product needed good lord. If your car is coated it’s going to clean easily anyways unless you have been letting it get clogged up and need a decon wash.
Agreed man , I generally just apc spray on let it sit if I’m doing a rinseless spray off contact wash
The new touch-less works as well at 1% pir!
I Saw that and then I was like I dont wan people to say I didnt dilute it as heavy
Great video Eddie! APC is way more affordable! Congrats on 5k subscribers! You did it! #Roadto10k!
Thanks sir and thank you for being part of it
I’ve been using 2 oz of GS and 2 oz of GSF as a pre wash for years now and my experience is that APC does a great job breaking down dirt, dust, and bugs but doesn’t do that great of a job breaking down road grime from the rain. So I’m interested to see how bilt hammer does with that
Ya that part in the winter , apc did the same broke down the road film , I wish I would of record winner washes. I still think touch-less is a great product
Great vid. FWIW, when my kids come home from college, their cars are usually hammered and smothered with bugs. I've found that Touch-Less worked great on removing the bugs. I'm not sure where I heard it, but somebody on one of their RUclips videos mentioned that the glucose based surfactants (like those in Touch-Less) work especially well on organic matter. I've tried a few other APCs and Citrus Cleaners, but none worked as well as Touch-Less on the bugs. I haven't compared it to a dedicated bug remover, so can't offer any comparison. I used to go old school and spray the bugs with a higher PH soap, then cover with plastic wrap and "marinate" for about 30 minutes to keep it from drying out and allow it to break down the bugs (... plus we live in N. Texas and it gets freaking hot). Now if you asked me, do I NEED Touch-Less the answer is probably not. I do like it and it is part of my detailing chemical arsenal. I've also found the price to be pretty comparable with APCs when you buy it by the gallon/5L.
Im gonna tell you Touchless v2 took all the bucks off the car it was epic, I was referring to removing of grim does it matter? do you need a touchless product , people will use what they like and they have to test
BUT I do want to say TOUCH-Less v2 removing bugs Gods work
I’ll wait until ads come out with the apc. The bill looks good but dilution seems complicated. 🤣😂 also Labo is great too
Ya primus, Decon, MSN, SF , Frostbite, AF
It's very simple! It is just as effective from a spray bottle. 20mL in a 1000 mL bottle gives you a 2% solution that works the same as foaming it and uses way less product.
been using apc myself just because its more economical and performs good for me
Works great I did see og sell this stuff 43 bucks not sure shipping cost
You really need to look into road warrior or dark fury for pre soak washes. It's like 20x cheaper than all 3 of these products and I love them. Dark fury kills bugs and road warrior can nail black streaking with no contact wash.
On its way we’ll test
@@Ecdetails solid. Thanks
Bilt Hamber is godlike - I see a lot of you guys whining that it's expensive, here in EU is dirt cheap, it's like with Ethos or ADS or even P&s or other US stuff here in EU - they are cheap in the US - expensive here in EU. And as someone here stated - one attacks only dirt - the other attacks the dirt and the LSP.. Talking from experience - used Surfex HD on CanCoat Evo (fresh one - 3 months) and it destroyed it in about that time.
Man I wish I could get 55 gallons of trace less best glass cleaner man , also it’s true for us is expensive for y’all is probably the best bang for your buck
I’m curious how it compares to bucket naked wash?
The only downside to Bilt Hamber for me is the PIR.
But it works, and I hope you enjoyed!
BH works real good
The PIR calc is super easy. Just fill your foam cannon bottle with water and spray it into a bucket until the foam cannon bottle is empty. Measure the amount dispensed. Then multiply by 0.005 (for .5% PIR), 0.01 (for 1%) or 0.02 (for 2%).
Or just skip all that and apply it with a trigger sprayer or pump sprayer)foamer. It is just as effective when applying with a trigger sprayer. 20 mL in a 1000mL bottle will give you a 2% solution.
@@jeffc6832 thank you for this. To me it’s causing you to use more product than you necessarily wouldn’t need with other brands.
It certainly works it’s just not for me. PIR to me is essentially a scam
I like Starjnagloss Forst as a pre-spray on very dirty sections also. Works better than most APCs.
Forst is real good
Road to 6k , congrats Eddie 🎉
🎉 man Glory to God bro we did it! thank you
Another great video!!! Point well taken Eddie!!!
Thanks for watching bro
I’ve been using super clean I throw it in my foam cannon and it does the job. I always hear it’s bad stuff and I definitely agree if you’re not careful. I’m definitely looking at touchless because it’s so hyped. But maybe after this video I just need a good APC that isn’t toxic…
Touch less isn’t bad just expect to use more products , Stars and Stripes cleans as good or better and better dilutions just gotta use two soaps
Look into road warrior or dark fury.
My dad's van has no coating and has been getting undercoated by Rust Check and has some oil on the body, what would you recommended for a pre wash to soften the oil up? Thanks Eddie, for what you do, love your page. Watching from Ontario Canada!!
I would get Touch-less, KCX SF , KCX MSN , as some heavy hitters
@@Ecdetails Thanks my friend!!
Cool comparison Eddie, ADS' APC looks like its coming along nicely. And yea... Bottom-Up rinsing can stay over in Europe, makes more work for me and I see no difference lol
Haha 😆
Good morning, EC family.
Hey 👋
Not using it in a foam cannon is the key for me. Using it in a sprayer like the Multi Pro 9/12 brings the cost down tremendously. I usually mix up ~5 liters with 100ml of Touch-less which allows me to do 3-4 cars depending on size.
Ya imma make a pre mix and test it fo ra few months like id di the other stuff to see how it works
This, with the new version 2 I do a 2% when is really dirty once a month…usually only need a 1% wash monthly with a rinseless wash eveey week in between. At that dilution with the IK foamer ir ends up being as cheap if not cheaper as any reputable APC like Green Star. No need to reinvent the wheel when there is a proven option available.
@@DownloaderVideo haven't thought about putting it in a foamer. Does is foam and cling well at that dilution?
@@RowlandPeters It works excellent search here on RUclips for “Detailing Projects Bilt Hamber Touchless” that’s a review video and that’s how the guy uses it.
The only RIGHT way to use it, it destroys 🙅♂️
Hey EC, great video! Could you do a comparison of labocosmetica primus 2.0 vs bilthamber touchless? Thanks!
Yes I will , it will be in a few weeks or so
Congrats on 5K! Pan, we’re coming for you!🤣🤣🤣
Pan only have 1m subscribers. Why not go with Detail Geek 3.5m or Ammo NYC 2.2m
Chasing pan and ammo gonna be a feat but we got this
So what they say with the bilt hamber there's no caustic chemicals that would cause corrosion, but most apc would have that in.... i even switch to surfex HD
Great comparison, bro. i do enjoy this video
They say it’s not wonder why it smell 👃 haha
@@Ecdetails 🤷🏾♂️ 🤔
Hi Eddie, watched you with nick and yvan, love your style, god be with you and your family
Thanks man for joining I appreciate you!
Eddie, I love your tests.
Thank you sir I appreciate it
Oh my God Eddie you are on Point . Top Dog in My Books 👍🫡
Thanks bro
Camera work is on point!
Thanks bro
Hey Eddie, I have a rotary to finish and a DA. I accidentally bought a 8mm instead of 15 mm on Amazon. Its goood but Is it worth returning the 8mm for a 15mm to do 1 steps? God bless you and your family.
I would use 15mm
Great demo!
Thank you
You do the trial on a spotless truck that looks like it just rolled off the production line and the result is they both clean the same. Who wudda thunk it! Try doing the same test on a truck that hasn't been washed for six months in winter weather and you'll see B+H is streets above anything else.
Truck wasn’t spotless - had bugs all over so the test in that respect is valid. Any soap on a “muddy” but I get what your saying and well re test but I’m
Not sure bilt is better then chem-x
What’s pH of BH?. Do we think this is safe on coated cars for a weekly wash? Guessing no?
PH 12 , ya you can use it buy you dont need it all the time, use it when it get gnarly or when your doing a decon
@@Ecdetails 12???? That's spicy bro. Thanks for the heads up! For sure will use it infrequently.
Ay yo! Over 5000!? Congrats
Thanks bro 😎
New subscriber here . Hey Eddie what about Superclean as an apc??
Ive used All clean, Fbomb, Ethos , Ductile , green star, msn, car pro was my goto for a bit but never superclean, if you dilute it right dont let it dry you should be good
One thing to do is test on a small plastic trim to see how it interacts
Unless someone comes out with a 20 to1 apc that actually cleans no reason to switch from diy all clean. I thought one of the benefits of ceramic coating was that level of dirt comes off easy with foam of ph neutral soap and rinse. Am i wrong?
Maybe....
@ileanasantiago1807 I've seen plenty of videos of people using just a pressure washer to remove bugs off a ceramic coated car. If yall think that truck is dirty you obviously never leave pavement. I drive dirt roads and muddy pastures weekly. I live in the south where bugs are a plenty. I can show you a dirty truck.
Yes, a good coating should come clean with a pH neutral soap and rinse. That said, heavier buildup sometimes requires more, and using a stronger cleaner occasionally can help keep the coating performing as it should.
@@thomassavage6025 Lol bro no one is saying anything against what you're saying, but the bugs have been on there for 3 weeks and generally it doesnt come off with just a PH neutral soap. I have to use APC / Decon or some high PH, especially for the crickets. Compared to your off roadiing I agree my truck isn't dirty compared to yours but it was still dirty lol.
SO can coatings make it "self cleaning" sure but they are not bullet proof
All clean is super good , just picked up another gallon also it doesnt hit the throat like others
But it's all about the SHOW! There's no show in APC normally.
I just want it to work! break down grim /dirt and let me rinseles wash
Dark Fury! HELLO!
Ya never tried time to order
Yessss, was looking for this comment. I really like road warrior also. Very cost effective. This stuff is like 20x more
5000! good job! congratulations
Thanks! 😃 bro appreciate you
Is touchless safe on coated vehicles to use as a pre wash weekly or is it for trashed cars before going in for contact wash before coating?
Yes sir , coated non coated it does what it does breaks down the dirt it can degrade a coating if the coating can’t handle high ph soap
@@Ecdetails oh okay, how does it compare to premus?
@@Sean-ij3mi gotta check primus is more expenisve seeing this for 43 bucks at OG but you use less of primus
One attacks dirt only and one attacks dirt and the protection...especially with how eco touchless v2 is, its an easy choice. Keep the apc for engine bays.
What are you using in terms of
Shampoo, pre foam etc
Hey, what's a great way to directly contact you with questions? I'm just getting into the paint correction and want to know the best ways and products, and preparation
Hey you can message me on Facebook or instagram and we can chop it up
Okay sounds like a plan, Instagram is the same name?
im guessing the ADS is citrus. i like where they are going with there stuff.
It is!
I’ve used a few of there products and like them. Would like ur feedback.
Bilt hamber glass is wild
5K baby!!!
We did it man
I only use bilt hamber products in my detailing business, as it also prevents rust with the atom mac series plus the glass cleaner is amazing another thing is bilt hamber is not costic and no phosphates, Apc i would never use on paint as i want a slick surface to avoid scratches 😊 next time put the car in the sun , high end black car and use apc that has NOT been ceramic coated . Apc is super cheap , but if you leave a scratch on say a bugatti , Ferrari , just saving a dime will not be worth it
Imma redo
The test and compare it to another touchless
@Ecdetails please keep in mind the long term use of strong surfactants on a car panels, bilthamber has several types in their line up that actual prevent rust or eat rust, which is a bonus in rust belt areas. Yes using just a apc is cheaper in the short term but for myself my clients are on long term commitment so I treat a cars like human skin, paint needs to be nourished and replenished , apc will dry it out plus eats wax and ceramic coatings and both are not cheap to apply in the first place , as lots of the cars I do state to use products like swissvax and if a apc is used then say good bye to a customer and wax
@@rdeh1678Bilt Hambler does have strong surfactants - that's how it cleans. Without caustic ingredients, and without strong surfactants, the only remaining way to clean would be with solvents which would be even worse than surfactants for paint protection and components of your car.
Surfactants are the method of cleaning that's least likely to cause degradation in materials or paint protection.
@@themikeroberts actually bilthamber hamber is sugar based
Creo que es mejor hacer una prueba en un auto sin cerámico
Ya, I dont have a car without a ceramic and I told bev I would clean it :)
I just use Ik foam sprayer instead of foam cannon for touchless.
It is the the best way to use touch - less
Ya I heard that what’s your preferred mix
@@Ecdetails I have the new touchless having used it since I still have about a half of the old 5 Litter one. But it’s the same ratio % mix to a gallon. So about 4-5 ounces to a gallon.
@@MBV180With the new version I’m only using 2.5 ounces to 1 gallon of water on my IK Foam 12 and that’s when I need the strongest mix on the new version 2 for really dirty cars, I have great results with only 1.25 ounces for a 1% PIR on moderately dirty vehicles.
I need to pick up a general use apc. Which do you recommend? We made it to 5k!!
I would go Fbomb, all clean , multix , ductile , green star
Green all for $8/gallon
Awesome!
Do the touchless or rinseless soaps work the same on a coated car vs a car with no protection?
Ya easier cleaning on coated car for sure
20ml in a liter of water. Pump spray on the car. Best prewash you have ever seen.
You like it better the forst?
@@Ecdetails the forst is mighty and works wonders on tires too. But the Touchless at 2-4% in the Pump sprayer is just a weapon. Didn't compare them side by side but on wife's white car, the dirt just completely melts when using the Touchless. Only saw close to the same effect from Koch Chemie vbn but at 10% dilution.
@@georgeker1great suggestion imma put them to the test!! Thank you 🙏
oh man, 250ml is a lot of products
Its all PIR so if your pressure/ water out put its more it will be less
APC is the way to go. Green star or ADS fixed in with their soaps. I have done it like this ever since green star came out. You are not saying “touch less” doesn’t work you as comparing the cost. It’s a no brainer.
man I love apc, but then I enjoyed the touchless experience as well for me I can keep apc mixed ik foam proper dilutions do the whole car spray off get to work .
There is a bunch of apcs as well
How does this compare to Primus 2.0 for a prewash.
Primus is hard to beat man
Haven’t seen you using strips and stripes yet that is a real touch less dud
I have it and I’ve used it I’ll do a video
@@Ecdetails I have used it for over a year and a half in very dirty cars and I get 99% results non-negative downsides no damage paint I have used it for over a year and a half in very dirty cars and I get 99% results non-negative downsides paint looks awesome on the other side bilthamber and primus are awful I tried all the soaps of the Market already , completely garbage to me sorry
But Jimbo is already going to take over this market
🫠😂😂😂 we buy and test
Eddie, 250ml is 2.5% PIR. I use DIY All Clean at 1% ( 3 oz in my foam cannon) , it does a great job . Touch less should have stayed in the UK.
Haha ^ PIR why not just say use 7oz calculating PIR is hard
Just don’t buy it and keep being happy. 😂
I love to have options.
I know it says touchless. But can you use it in a contact wash?
Bucket naked you can and auto foam
@@Ecdetails Thanks Eddie
The more dirty the car, the better to test the chemicals.
I got what I got still tells a story , not saying any of these are bad just showing results can be the same
I love the beaker! And I’m glad nothing stained Bev’s trim on that beautiful new truck! Thanks for showing different examples to pre wash! 5k is happening today so CONGRATS 🍾 🎉 🥩! Extra steak today for u my friend!!
Thanks Becca appreciate you! The truck is marked safe from damage trim
Did you test the new BH Touch-less on the wheels/tire like you did with the APC from ADS? That would have been a good to know how it would work on wheels/tires.
They seem to all perform the same but does the fact that the vehicle was ceramic coated? Try on a non coated vehicle.
How does it any of these compare to Stars and Stripes? A video comparo on the BH, the ADD APC, Dark Fury, DIY Detail AllClean etc and the Stars and Stripes would be great to put it all out there.
Ya I can do it , I have to get some things done and im on it.
"THATs $20!" TOO FUNNY!!
Haha 😆
Nice….excited to try ADS apc I hope it’s highly concentrated
Thanks man
I never understood a need for a “touchless” wash. Might as well wash it since you’re foaming the car already.
I think big rigs, RV and people who want a clean car with not alot of effort ill need to do another follw up test for sure
I can assure you that there are a great number of people that it appeals to. People with disabilities, injuries, or older age still like to take care of their vehicles while lowering the impact that it has on their bodies.
@@ExodusFX I understand that part of it, I was curious since you don't hear about it very often.
You need a real dirty car with Touch-less, APC cleans ok, but the chemistry is different in Touch-less. Your truck is too clean Eddie
It was dirty haha not sure how much dirtier I could get to touch less still amazing
Tried it on a farm tractor, 1% pir of DIY All Clean did a better job than 5% of original touch-less.
@@havingtoomuchfun4806 Touch-less isn't designed for a tractor. 🤣
2% in a cheap electric hand sprayer works great for me
Makes sense maybe I switch it up as a “apc” soak
the touchless is a buzzword. i also believe they have said they tone down the alkaline to 11 or 10 compare to V1. I personally prefer autofoam from BH cause it has a 22lit barrel and is 13ph not as foamy a MJJC is almost must have with it.
I’ll have to give auto foam a try
@@Ecdetails i believe is better and for in between washes to remove residue and proceed to the next step. Not only me but clients as well noticed the difference when i use it cause even the 22Lt is expensive to obtain in my country. all apc alkanine prewash can both be worked touchless and contact with touchless been the 1st to do
@@shrmtales thanks for the info!
I think this is a fair trade. You send us (USA sends UK) Rinseless wash and in return we give you Bilt Hamber.
Fair trade!
We send you something great, you send us something that’s overpriced, and not as good as an APC at 1/2 the amount used.
I’ll send ya some stuff the duties tho are so expensive e
@@havingtoomuchfun4806 if you add 15ml to 1.5l (1%, or equivalent of 19c - yeah it's 1l for £10 here) in an IK sprayer, it's a Goldilocks ratio, cleans really well. Unlike an APC, this doesn't bash it's way through LSP's. So cheap, cleans well, leaves BSD alone and is environmentally friendly-ish (if you care about that kind of thing). For the love of god, don't dump 250ml in a foam cannon. Treat this stuff as a prewash, not a Snowfoam.
@@pigeonpoo1823Exactly what I commented before, this is the most efficient way to use these products, in a IK Foam Sprayer….I only use 1.25 Ounces for a 1 Gallon of distilled water and I wash a full size truck including wheel wells and wheels. That equals to 135 washes at 1% and 67 at 2%. Makes no sense to look elsewhere. Less than a dollar per wash!
Hey Eddie
Can this be used on car wrapped in PPF?
@@marvinsantos6240 my Tesla is wrapped in ppf no issue
Disappointed. I purchased Touchless recently, and I have to say I was not impressed. I used it at 1% in a pump sprayer. There was zero difference between the panel I pressure washed with plain water vs the panel I used with Touchless. I will try again at 2% and see how we go.
I would got heavier and let me know cause it works
Someone throw a P$S label on that V2 bottle and watch how things change
There he is
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Foam Primus and rinse. Foam Touch-Less and rinse. Foam KCX SuperFoam and rinse. Foam Incredible Suds and rinse. Then my girl calls to say I’m late for our bootie call and she is going shopping . Now I’m pissed but my customer’s car is clean.
Haha 😆
Quick google search of Bilt Hamber is pH 12, most Apc's are pH 10-12. So they are both caustic (i.e. Base). Dark fury which I like is pH 11, dirt cheap for gallon, and dilutable (1-4, 1-10). Only thing I haven't seen for comparison is how they effect car coatings. That is something I would love to see.
I haven’t used dark fury , but let me ask ya which one does a better touchless bolt or dark fury ?
Incorrect Touchless is not caustic. Just because a soap is basic doesn’t mean that’s it’s automatically caustic
@@SSSandhu13 what’s the SDs say ?
@@Ecdetails The SDS does not show anything about it being caustic. Even on the Bill Hamber website it says no caustic sodas used. Also, for @bobstudent10 the SDS says is 10-11 pH.
It has pH of 10.5 according to the "Touch-less New (presumably version 2)" SDS issued on 4/2023 and the only mention of corrosion is "skin corrosion - no data available".
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If I wanted to be lazy, could I spray the entire car down with apc and let it dwell. Then come in and do my normal rinsless wash while the apc is still on the panel. Is that doable ? Don’t make me leave the garage to rinse 😂
Ya I do it with like fbmob fbomb now I spray it on let it sit use rinsless in a keg and spray it off and wash -
@@Ecdetails Sounds good ! Gotta get me a keg . Thanks Eddie
@@Lucid77157 something with higher pressue 90-130 PSI