Fill your snow foam cannon with water. Dispense the cannon filled with water into a bucket. Measure how much water was dispensed. Calculate the desired PIR by calculating the percentage of how much water was dispensed in step 3. So If the snow foam cannon is filled to 1 L, and you connect it to your pressure washer and dispense it fully and this results in 10 L of water in the bucket, then the pressure washer is diluting it by 10x. If the snow foam has a recommended PIR of 4%, then you would calculate 4% of 10 L which is 400 mL (0.4 L). This means you need to add 400 mL of snow foam to your cannon, and then top it up with water by adding 600 mL to achieve the correct panel impact ratio. I followed these steps with version 1 of touch-less and auto foam I get brilliant results. Hope this helps people struggling with working out the pir
@@shakeysteventon4197 You first need to work out the PIR of your own foam cannon before you know how much product you need. 2% is the maximum recommendation and isn’t required in most cases, plus you don’t need to empty a 1 litre foam cannon over the car unless it’s a big car, van etc. I get away with using just 500ml total solution each time on a 5 Series, so when buying 5L it’s quite good value. Even better value if you are using a pump sprayer, trigger spray etc.
@@shakeysteventon4197 at 4% pir with the old formula my cannon requires 360ml to which I can use it on two cars. So from a 5L bottle of Bilt hamber auto foam or the old touchless formula I can get up to 26 washes. The new formula I would only require 180ml of product as the maximum is 2% which would mean i could get upto 20 washes at the maximum pir
So much misinformation out there about how to use these products. Yes, the PIR calculations are correct. The key to using it and getting the cost saving benefits is about how much to use. I get 5/6 washes out of my lance, because you’re only meant to ‘wet’ the surface. This whole notion of ‘I’ve got to smother my car in product’ is what leads everyone to get 1, maybe 2 washes from it, then thinking it’s an expensive option. I use 150-200 ml of my lance each time, depending how dirty the car is. That’s how it should be used but every video shows someone drenching the car with product. If you think it’s wrong, contact BH, that’s what I did and that’s how I know. BH state it on their website, saying it should last 4/5 washes! There is also a video from a guy foaming his Abarth (with Autofoam as was years before Touchless) and he shows you how to use it. It literally is about barely touching the trigger. Anyway, thought I’d throw that in to help clear up any confusion about how much to use. Once you get your head around less is more with BH products, you’ll start to see why they are so popular.
Just watched this. Not surprised at all with the result, touchless is probably the best snowfoam out there imo. Who says it's just hype? Bilt Hamber is probably the best laboratory in the world for manufacturing next-level detailing products. You need to try the Trace-less glass cleaner, it is AMAZING!
@epicautomotivedetailing sometimes wheel acid is essential on old cars that have never been detailed before. Its a damn sight cheaper and quicker than using several passes of fallout remover anyway
@epicautomotivedetailing it performs better in the heat dare I say, well the old formula did at least. Just pre rinse the car first if the paintwork is hot to the touch and reduce dwelling time accordingly. Please review the Bilt hamber glass cleaner Dave, I know I have probably asked more than once lol but it really is more than just a glass cleaner. I promise you will be impressed, you have my word.
The thing about touchless, its quite reasonably priced & actually works & now they've improved the concentration, its better value, I think most people are desperately waiting for them to release the 5 litre bottles of the version 3 touchless.
Another great video, which explains detailing clearly and concisely. I've been using Touchless for a couple of years now along with their wheel cleaner and the results are amazing. I wanted to simplify the PIR calculation (4% with the old version), so use a 5 Litre pump spray bottle using 200 ml. This also avoids foam all over the place and a call to the company confirmed that this is just as effective as using a foam cannon. No wasted product into the bargain. Before doing the contact wash, I spray the car with Surfex HD mixed at 1:20 with water, which I believe gives the shampoo an additional boost to remove grease on the paintwork. I did find that Surfex was emulsifying when left for a period and BH advised me that this can happen in certain water areas, so I use deionised water and problem solved. It does add to the cost though. Keep these great videos coming!
Great video and FYI I use 140ml in a 7 litre (garden) pump sprayer for application and don't waste it on the barely dirty areas of the car. Using as a snow foam is crazy economics.
Beginner or not the wash process much be cost effective to be sustainable. That said, buying lesser products demands increased volume so its swings and roundabouts. BH has a great range that I repeat purchase but too much of modern day products are wasted through incorrect dilution or application. I try to spend the money where it counts. I thought this video, like your others, is honest and maybe this is why you got the hate. Keep Being Honest @@epicautomotivedetailing
Nice one. Great video as always. I did tests last year of BH’s ‘calculated’ PIR method and the quantity required seemed absurd. I then tried 20% strength, 10% strength, 4% strength and finally even as low as 2% strength (this was last year so using old touchless), delivered in an ik foamer. All ratios worked really well, and the key difference was foam thickness and therefore cling time. Cleaning power was very very similar. So you can be very frugal. I typically use 100/150ml of old touchless in my Mjjc filled up to apprx 1 litre. Does the job really well. Also, I find a wetter, less thick foam better when it’s blazing hot. It’ll be coming off in 5 mins anyway. Great video as always. All the best.
Excellent video! Thanks! I live in Canada and have been using the original version of T-L for a year or so. I've been impressed by the results but here it's quite expensive. This new version promises to be more effective and less expensive. Perfect!
Totally agree David instructions on bottles are shocking from a tonne of manufacturers trigger spraying and pump spraying are the way forward great video mate
Thanks Paul, sorry just saw this comment. Great product but it kinda takes the fun out of cleaning the car. Most people like myself don't have time to spend ages calculating everything just to wash a car
The PIR method does actually make sense, when you've worked out your PIR then you can understand why they have done it. Everyone's pressure washer and supply pressure is vastly different from one end of the country to the next. Bilt Hamber want you the use and enjoy the product with very measured and precise amounts to get the very best. I think 250ml is way too much unless your using a fire engine hose to clean your car with. I use around 35 to 50ml in my snowfoam bottle as an example. Place a marker on your snowfoam bottle so that you know where to fill it next time. Top tip. Reduce the amount you add to your snowfoam bottle depending on the time of year and how dirty the car it to save even more product. I'd say 4-5% with the 5ltrs bottle, 2% from the condensed 1ltr bottle in mid winter with all the salt of the road and half that in the summer or less. Easy peasy
Yep, I agree. I use 5-6 "pumps" from my 5L bottle dispenser, which is probably about 40 - 50ml. This is plenty when diluted in a 500ml snowfoam bottle. I use Touch-less as a pre wash every time and if the car is not heavily soiled, rinse the car and dry it. It is THAT good. 👍😎
@@epicautomotivedetailingyeah it is a good point you make about the QR code. BH is not an easy brand for an amateur to understand. They’re primarily a science/laboratory company first then they are a marketing company.
I've been using the Touch Less now for a few months and i too struggled to understand how much to put in the foam cannon so i settled on 200ml which gives good thick foam but once jet washed off there is still a film of dirt on the car even with a pre wash. You can tell how much dirt is left on with the two bucket method and how quickly the rinse bucket becomes dirty . I still use it to ensure less chance of scratches and thinking it will soften any dirt stuckto the paint work .
I bought a litre and just winged it by putting 200ml in a 1 litre foam cannon and topped it up. Did a very good job but all that PIR stuff fries my head
I have been using bh products for years just a weekend warrior loads of info on you tube to get your dilution right. Btw I love your content and it’s honest reviews 👍🏼
Thank you. yeah lots of info out there but I was trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who just buys it based of detailing groups who may not want to figure out PIR. Hopefully the points got across ok in the video😅
I bought a bottle of touch less last year, read the instructions and ended up putting loads of product into the snow cannon, next time i put only about an inch of product in the bottom of the bottle and the results were just as good.
Touch-Less is brilliant, this version is actually V3, the first version wasn’t very foamy so it was adjusted into the V2 that was max 5% PIR and the new V3 is max 2% PIR. The PIR is not really that difficult to work out but it is best to do it for your specific setup.
PIR is a relatively recent thing, no manufacturer used to mention PIR. They would just say add 100ml to a litre of water etc. I use Touch-Less like i did Autofoam for the last 15 years - 50ml in 450 ml of water in the canon. Works great.
Which is just laziness on their part, it’s generic at best. PIR is the best method of getting product into the panel as it was designed to work. Foam cannons and PWs vary greatly, so will results when using a generic ratio. For me personally, there isn’t any point in investing in a great product but then not using it as it was researched, tested and designed to be used. Some folks will get less than good results by doing that, then could have a negative impression of it.
Yes this goes back to my point in the video. Newbie goes on social media group, Pro says use bilt hamber, newbie doesn't want to do the research, they just wanted the best product and that's where things go wrong. Wouldn't say they are lazy for doing so but when something is the best the expectation of the beginners is just to put whatever amount in, wash the car and job done.
@@epicautomotivedetailing again, I’m not calling the user lazy, I’m calling the manufacturers lazy for not giving a recommended PIR range. All it is, is a percentage or a ratio, however anyone wants to look at it. We use percentage and ratios for everything else apart from what comes out of a foam cannon. Why? Because snow foaming cars is one of the iggest gimmicks in this industry and most of them are absolutely useless. We dilute everything else according to a percentage or a ratio. That’s all PIR is and it’s the right way to get the product to work as intended, as it is designed to work. Most snow foams, PIR really doesn’t matter because they do nothing anyway, but this isn’t a snow foam, it’s a foaming pre wash, as is Autofoam
Thank god for RUclips. I generally find BH products work at the lower end of their dilution ratios so have just gone for an easy option of a guess at 200ml for my cannon and it works wonders. Beats having a mini science experiment to work out the pir 😂. It even pulls off a reasonable amount of brake dust meaning less wheel cleaner is needed.
I just worked out the PIR. Lots of videos for that. Mine is 125ml to a litre at 2%. Which is full strength. I use it at half that approx 65ml to a litre . Which does 3 cars. So its excellent value. Through MJJC cannon
I stopped working just so I could tune in to this video. Pump sprayer is best. This is the undisputed king for pre washes and cost per wash. You can’t beat this product. They just amped up the power in this latest version. It was already one of the best before that in the previous version. They’ve absolutely murdered everyone in the pre wash game now with this. On one hand Dave, you said earlier in the video that it sounded complicated reading the back to measure PIR but then in practice found it to be fair simple? Slightly inconsistent there I feel. Pump up sprayer is most economical and easiest for most people to do. I would definitely recommend working out PIR where you can just lob product in NEAT, and dial back on the canon to a marked point and you’ll always get your 2% PIR The way to do this is fill up the canon to 400ml (assuming you have a 1 litre capacity canon). Turn the dial on the canon to maximum and then turn back one circle, two times as a starting point. Grab a bucket with marking to 10 litres or one you already measured and know to 10 litres at a certain point. Spray out the pressure wash into the bucket until you get 10 litres. Measure how much is left in the canon. Because we’ve filled the canon with 400ml of water, we want 200ml to be left over having expelled 10 litres of total solution. There by giving us the 2% PIR we want. Long time first time but then from there on after you’ve marked the spot, you can chuck product in neat into the canon and off you go. No worrying about measuring.
@@epicautomotivedetailing Trigger spray really is the best mate. Cheap too compared to buying a foam canon and probably best for work flow, like while the spray sits on the paintwork and wheels, get the pressure washer connected to the mains and set up. Your 5 minutes will be done depending on your setup and how fast you are and it’s only a problem when temperatures rise or the sun is out. That’s why I gave the instructions to work out PIR for the canon at 2% because you may have to blast some product on to stop it drying out. I love pump up sprayer though. Foam is nice but what’s nicer is more money in your pocket 😅 loving the video though either way. Another benefit to this product I wish you had given mention to, is its free rinsing properties. In the winter, most of us just wanna get to a reasonable standard with 95/98% of dirt being off in the fastest possible way because we know that 20 minutes later on a drive, the car is dirt and ruined again. Touch less has free rinsing meaning you can spray on and blast the dirt off and leave it being fine. It doesn’t leave a leftover film like Surfex HD, Autofoam and other pre washes. Only GT Therapy Snowfoam also does this otherwise other pre washes mean you need to do a contact stage to fully remove it. This is super handy and convenient in the winter.
Nice one dave ,been using this for a while now and get great results with it ,and to be fair all of there products are good the trackless glass cleaner is fantastic
BH Touch-Less is my go to snow foam. i haven't personally used the v2 one as i have 5 litres of v1 and that will last me over a year and i was my car almost weekly. cost per wash and its power is unrivalled in my opinion. for me its 2 products in one as you don't need a citrus pre wash them blanket with snow foam this does both.
I totally get that drawback - I was like 'by the time I've worked that out, I'll have lost a load of time I need to wash the car'. So I just put like an inch in the bottom of my snow lance pot and let rip with it turned up to full. It's such a good product it seems to work just fine like that! Bilt Hamber stuff is so 'less is more'.
I like using a small amount of Surfex Hd with snow foam/water…does a brilliant job and is the jack of all trades. Is there a more versatile product that Bilt Hamber Surfex HD ? Informative video as always mate
With a snowfoam cannon it depends what pressures washer is used? So you should test with, for example, a bucket and snow foam gun at maximum setting product. When the product is finished, you measure the total of liters in the bucket per ratio with the product in the snowfoam cannon...
Used both touchless and autofoam for years, Always just in a pump sprayer mainly because it's so easy and you hardy use any product...so 4 percent pir for a really dirty car would be 40ml and for a average dirty car 2 percent or 20 ml into 1 litre of water, so when you factor in u can buy 5ltr for around 23 pounds it makes other brands seem very expensive plus its a sugar based surfactant so fully tree hugger friendly....fo
Great video Dave. It is a fantastic product, i used it this week for the first time and was blown away. PIR is easy enough to calculate, and im sure you wont be using 250ml of product everytime so its very good value for money. Im with you on the citrus, i tend to use it every wash out of habit. Jon at Forensic Detailing has a very good video on PIR calculation should you want to do a follow up video on this. 🤘🏻
Thank you, Yeah it's great product but not for an impatient person. That PIR is just utter bullcrap for me so I doubt I'll make a follow up video. The day washing a car becomes so technical and anal is the day I walk away from the industry. It would totally suck the fun out of it.
So nice to hear your honestly i feel the same about PIR having said that i layer it over road rage pre wash and its a step up compared to the polar foam i used
@@andrewelley9966 the old me would of taken more time but after cleaning 1000s of cars my attitude has evolved as most owners never keep their cars and most end up trashed
@tomotivedetailingPIR isn’t bullcrap though, and it’s a shame more brands don’t give PIR recommendations instead of recommending x amount of product in a foam cannon, or even worse, recommending 1” of product in a foam cannon 🙄 That, for me, is bullcrap and lazy. PIR is very easy to work out. By using PIR means you get the same result whether you are using a trigger spray, pump spray, pump foamer or foam cannon. All foam cannons are different so using PIR means that you get the correct amount of mixture on the panel. That should give people a positive experience as they won't then be putting too much or too little product onto the panel, which does matter a bit, and won’t get false results either way.
@@Ally.MacMillan it is when I see grown men trying to start arguments with eachother on Facebook groups about a percentage of chemical going into a bottle to wash a car it's pathetic. I would say most detailers/ car valeters won't admit it but the majority probably just chuck any rough amount in and go by instinct. Honestly when you have limited time to get through jobs I've seen it happen so many times. So no they aren't lazy and I'd challenge any non professional to spend a week trying to run a mobile detailing business then come back to me when they made no money because they spent so much time trying to please a customer "who really doesn't care" because they wanted exactly 2% of foam on their car.
They do have some interesting products, I prefer Surfex HD over touch-less, foaming it over after a citrus prewash, then after that autofoam, leaves very little to do with the hand wash because most everything is off already. Then a quick once over Auto QD and drying towel, and Bob’s your uncle. But what I really like about their products is that you can dilute right down according to how dirty your car is and they’re still effective. What I would say though, if you like a lot of showy thick foam BH is not for you, but personally find it works a lot better for me than Autoglym’s Polar blast and it’s rich creamy nice smelling thick goodness.
Subbed, nice vid. I tried to buy some of this in the USA and the shipping is more than the product. I almost pulled the trigger on it then I saw this video. Very helpful, thanks. Not sure it's any better than what I can get over the counter here. If you still have to touch the car then why do I need this? I currently use Adama Mega foarm. I do a foam, I rinse, I do a foam, I contact, I rinse. Car looks great! If I still have to touch the Bilt Hamber why pay the premium?
Ive watched quite a few of your videos over the past three weeks and Ive learned a huge amount, so thanks for your detailed information. However, I do a question for you and your viewers. I am due to pick up a brand new car next week - straight out the showroom - Its colour is Black btw, so my question is : how soon should I attempt to give it a pre-wash, snow wash etc and even a wax ?? or what would you and your viewers suggest i do to keep the car looking in showroom condition.. IF YOU OR YOUR VIEWERS WANT TO SUGGEST THE PRODUCTS I SHOULD USE THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO ! thanks
Good afternoon Watch the video on the built hammer touch less .2. My snow foam gun is a MJJC pro with the old touch less to get the 4% that was recommended then I used 350ml, on Waze, the new one at 2% I know when we use 196ml. Also, not of, I only noticed as you commented how clean it really makes the vehicles I also used 1L and got my transit custom, and my other half Nissan Navarra. Wait before I’ve used the full 1L I’m just one vehicle so I’m not just saving product and getting two vehicles for the price of one. And as for working it out your percentages for dyslexic people with Asperger syndrome as well RUclips and see how it’s how to get your percentage done. Steve
Great video Dave. Have to agree with you about calculating PIR. End of the day like yourself I want to wash the car, not perform some mathematical calculation. Bilt Hamber products are excellent, but if you have to use 250ml of that product in a cannon, that's exactly cheap either. I'm a cheapskate, so I normally use diluted APC or citrus pre wash in a pump sprayer 🤣.
I’m almost out of my 5L V1 have the new V2 ready to go I use 200ml of product but as the new version is supposed to be double the strength I should be able to use 100ml in a 1L foam lance I to use the AVA premium foam lance it removes I would say 95% of the dirt before the contact wash though I do use surfex HD first the use touch less on top works extremely well for me 👍
You hear about not letting these products dry on panels, but has anyone actually tried it? Id love to watch a test panel be subjected to this kind of abuse. Or any juke😂 Ps Touchless is superb through an ik sprayer
Yes this is for those who have used many other products but have found out the hard way that are more style over substance. There's nothing more annoying than setting up all the gear for products that smell of watermelon or come out of the cannon green from a fancy artwork bottle but don't perform. This is why finding a youtube video to work out how to work out your PIR isn't a massive wrench!
@@epicautomotivedetailing maybe you can get a longer dwell time for really filthy cars if you foam especially on windy days? But yes i think a lot of pro detailers who are maintenance washing cars more regularly will use it from a pump sprayer at a lower dilution as it still works well and will be better value overall.
Big fan of bilt hamber. I use 200ml of touchless in a mjjc foam lance and top it up with hot water. Not sure if the hot water makes any difference but does a brilliant job.
I mean if i use 200+ ml of i dont know maybe Lift in a foam cannon is making like the same result ? Cause 200+ ml thats like a loooot of product for just 1 car
They perhaps haven’t used the best wording on the bottle to describe how to achieve the PIR % but they will never tell you how much to put in your foam cannon in ml, as each one is unique to the the PW it uses. So, simple way of calculating your PIR for a foam cannon. Fill your foam cannon with 1 litre of water. Set the dial to how you normally use it. Connect it to your PW and empty it into a bucket with the PW running. Measure how much water is in the bucket once you have emptied the foam cannon. Let’s just say you made 12 litres water in total. If you want to use say 2% PIR then multiply 12000 by 0.02 which gives you 240. So that would be 240ml product in your foam cannon with 760ml water. In my case I only need 500ml total to get round my car, so I would use 120ml product with 380ml water, if I wanted 2%. Remember you can use this stuff at 0.5% PIR so it makes for great value when you buy 5L, and insane value if you are using a pump sprayer. Hope that makes sense.
Cracking video, Dave. Its my birthday this weekend i sent a pucture of the bottle to my Son, so here's hoping. I have to agree, PIR isn't something I've calculated before, not that i wouldnt but, of you used 250ml and 750ml of water, then I'm not going to be far wrong with 125ml of Touch-less and 375ml of water, maybe I'll just try that. Regarding cost per wash, im not that bothered, I'm just enjoying cleaning my car, I just want good results and if its a little more expensive, thats OK. All the best. 👍
I use it at 10% in a foam cannon (100ml in a litre jug) and it works wonders, I think 200-250ml in a jug that size is waaaaayyyyy too much and is a waste.
Fiat question I made many videos in recent years covering the basics but it would be great to hear what kind of advice you want? Tools , chemicals or just a list of everything?
@@epicautomotivedetailing I just need a list for pre wash? shampoo/snow foam? Wheel cleaner ? Stuff that I can use without stressing it will cause some sort of damage there are so many products in the industry think my brain is fried from going through them all 🤯🤯
The issue with cakculating PIR it all deidnds on the accuracy of the measurement marks on yuur equipment ..... I trained as an analytical chemist in the steel industry and appreciate the need fir accuracy measurenent ..... Your snow foam bottle says it golds 1 litre but if measured using laboratory glass ware it could be anything from 950 ml to 1050 ml (maybe better or worse) yiur detailing bucket ghat says sprayed 11.5 litres into could be anything from 11-12 litres and even measuring it out with a kitchen jug that litre jug could be ss innacurate as yuur foam bottle ..... So yiur calculation saying you need 420 mls diluted to 1 litre could be miles out and who on earth is going to messure out 420 mls youll fill yiur fiam bottle to lightly under 600 mks and top it up to 1 litre . Its as easy to just say if yiu need 4% mix 400 mls to 1 litre and have done with it ..... Give it a try and if its working great you're ok, you could dven try bringing it down a little abd if its not working to well add a bit more in
Great video Dave, I agree that the average weekend warrior can’t be bothered with all the technical stuff whether it’s a fantastic product or not, it’s still expensive for what it is and there are plenty of good alternatives in my humble opinion, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Most of Bilt Hamber kit is excellent and planet safe… biodegradable! You do use a fair bit of product.. but can use it at 1%… agree with product info… complicated for the beginner… they do excellent Shampoos / clay bars are amazing!
The thing I love about Bilt hamber is how cost effective they are (as long as you get the product from a reputable 3rd party source). You can pick uo 5L of this stuff for just shy of 15 quid. Which is a stellar deal.
The thing I hate about Bilt Hamber is how they can’t just give a mix …ml product with …ml water. I get it’s their way of being accurate but it’s not what people want from a snow foam product 😂
For anyone who runs a business. Of any sort. Wasting a bit of chemical and water is still cheaper than buying 3 or 4 of the same items for different chemical uses. Business 101
@daveroberts703 I'm a hobbyist in the U.S. so getting Bilt Hamber is a pretty big ordeal. I've never seen anything bad, only good. Have wanted to buy a line up of chem decontamination products (I don't do mechanical yet). And last yr when I checked, prices were considerably cheaper than different U.S. products (excluding shipping). Plz elaborate on why u don't think they are very good or worth the cost. Thank you in advance!😊
Never used this and never will, what's wrong with citrus pre wash and laying a snow foam over the top just another company miss leading the weekend warrior, great video Dave.
All this PIR calculation bollox is pointless for the hobby detailer, they are not obsessed with profit margins and working out how much material per car to calculate the minimum amount required to achieve acceptable results but still make enough of a profit to make the business viable. For BH auto foam, which costs about £23 for 5 litres, fill your snow foam gun container about 1/3rd full of BH auto foam (or 1/2 if you are bothered about super thick foam), then top up with hot water out of the hot tap. That will be more than enough for a medium sized car, it will clean very well, and the last stage of cleaning (the contact wash) will be a lot safer. The quality and thickness of snow foam, is more reliant on the type of foam gun/cannon, and the pressure of the jetwasher, than it is the product. But, the effectiveness of the cleaning, is reliant on the product, so what looks like amazingly thick snow foam might not actually be better for cleaning the car, and sometimes a thinner foam is a lot better at actually cleaning dirt. The 5 litre container of BH auto foam will last you at least 20 washes at this ratio, which is extremely cheap yet very effective. Leave the PIR calculations to professional detailers, who are working to strict budgets for profit/loss.
Unless it removes the need for a contact wash (it clearly doesn't), they're all much of a muchness. Yes, some work better than others, but if you still have to contact wash, it's all a bit moot which type and brand you use. When it leaves a white tissue unmakrked after a post wash wipe test, then I'll take notice.
Exactly, and you only need to calculate once and then use baseline to determine how much depending on how dirty etc. He’s banging on like it’s harder than getting a moon lander to stay upright. 🙄
What's the difficulty? You simply have to determine the flow rate of your pressure washer. You do it once, calculate your PIR figure and you have a set amount to use each time. That's it.
I'm trying to cater for the masses not the few! A good 90% of my audience are beginners who may find all the PIR overwhelming so I'm just putting myself and also they probably would have not even worked out what flow rate their pressure washer is. I think all the points I got across make sense 🙏
@@AntEloftheHouseofElbh products are not really for 'the layman'. It's for people who care about getting good results. The product is so good even 'detailers' who want good money for quick once over may be missing a trick here (only the lack of bright colours and bubblegum flavour may be an issue). As you say, what's the big deal with working out PIR? It's a one time thing, also helping to avoid wasting product. Then you just vary according to the job in hand. (no need to use full strength on a regularly maintained vehicle). It's actually quicker than having to experiment with ratios of products that don't properly allow for all the variables, levels of soiling, PW and snow foam cannons. Bit disappointed in some of epics remarks here, seems to have become a bit jaded.
@@MartinBennett-rs6thrasher no I do get where he's coming from, when you consider the video to be aimed at those perhaps just starting their detailing journeys. Not everyone wants to know how to calculate PIR's I suppose. Or that fallout removers' active ingredients is Thioglycolic acid and that they are not actually "dissolving" break dust. Or the differences between rotary and DA, free spinning and gear driven machine polishers etc. I forget that, in the grand scheme of things, my knowledge is that of an experienced detailer, but I might have learned even faster if RUclips was a thing back in the day.
Yes someone gets it 👏. when I started my own brand the very first thing I did was have qr codes with how to videos that broke down the entire process to achieve brilliant results. Thanks for commenting
Is bilt hamber touch less just hype? Yep I reckon it is, I still see no difference between AG TFR multiwash, and my all time favorite, NV SNow+ but I got it on sale and it was cheap.
Pir easy super easy to do . Just need your bucket with measurements and snowfoam canon fill the snow foam bottle with water and then conect it to your pressure washer then spray the into a bucket until the water in the snow foam bottle is empty from the water . Next look how much water is measured in the bucket then times that number by the ratio , so for 2 % it would be water in bucket x .002 = pir
You said it in your video. This product isn't really for beginners. Its for professionals and hobbyists. These people know how to calculate the PIR. They also know this product is a PRE-WASH. So it is certainly a touchless product. I don't see any sneakiness at all. I keep having this argument with people that say Bilt Hamber are being disingenuous. Nope, its a touchless pre-wash. Nowhere on the bottle does it say its an all in one cleaner. And if you do buy it as a novice, then its up to you to do your research. If you are not willing to do this then go to Halfords and buy some generic shite of the shelf.
Pump Sprayer= 20ml=20p per wash Foam bottle =200mi=£2 per wash Great value in pump Sprayer, not so much in a foam gun. Looks like a great product Dave. Their glass cleaner might be of interest to you aswell
i was a big fan of bilt hamber auto foam and the more recent touchless, but it was starting to add up and not too beneficial to the wallet, so now i swear by infinity wax citrus and powerfoam, fore more cost effective and both pack a serious punch, i highly highly rate infinity wax products for price and for working well
I like your last comment in terms of a pre-wash. I was kind of curious to what was the difference between using this product verses using an APC as a pre-wash? Thank you.
Thank you yeah mine took ages to come. They use a third party Facility so mine didnt actually come from bilt hamber but some oil company instead which kinda sucked because delivery cost £6.99 and it took a week to arrive
Fill your snow foam cannon with water.
Dispense the cannon filled with water into a bucket.
Measure how much water was dispensed.
Calculate the desired PIR by calculating the percentage of how much water was dispensed in step 3.
So If the snow foam cannon is filled to 1 L, and you connect it to your pressure washer and dispense it fully and this results in 10 L of water in the bucket, then the pressure washer is diluting it by 10x. If the snow foam has a recommended PIR of 4%, then you would calculate 4% of 10 L which is 400 mL (0.4 L). This means you need to add 400 mL of snow foam to your cannon, and then top it up with water by adding 600 mL to achieve the correct panel impact ratio.
I followed these steps with version 1 of touch-less and auto foam I get brilliant results.
Hope this helps people struggling with working out the pir
Nar I'm good lol
So, from a 1 litre bottle of Touchless at this ratio you could expect just 2.5 fill ups
@@shakeysteventon4197 You first need to work out the PIR of your own foam cannon before you know how much product you need.
2% is the maximum recommendation and isn’t required in most cases, plus you don’t need to empty a 1 litre foam cannon over the car unless it’s a big car, van etc. I get away with using just 500ml total solution each time on a 5 Series, so when buying 5L it’s quite good value.
Even better value if you are using a pump sprayer, trigger spray etc.
@@shakeysteventon4197 at 4% pir with the old formula my cannon requires 360ml to which I can use it on two cars. So from a 5L bottle of Bilt hamber auto foam or the old touchless formula I can get up to 26 washes. The new formula I would only require 180ml of product as the maximum is 2% which would mean i could get upto 20 washes at the maximum pir
So much misinformation out there about how to use these products. Yes, the PIR calculations are correct. The key to using it and getting the cost saving benefits is about how much to use. I get 5/6 washes out of my lance, because you’re only meant to ‘wet’ the surface. This whole notion of ‘I’ve got to smother my car in product’ is what leads everyone to get 1, maybe 2 washes from it, then thinking it’s an expensive option. I use 150-200 ml of my lance each time, depending how dirty the car is. That’s how it should be used but every video shows someone drenching the car with product. If you think it’s wrong, contact BH, that’s what I did and that’s how I know. BH state it on their website, saying it should last 4/5 washes! There is also a video from a guy foaming his Abarth (with Autofoam as was years before Touchless) and he shows you how to use it. It literally is about barely touching the trigger. Anyway, thought I’d throw that in to help clear up any confusion about how much to use. Once you get your head around less is more with BH products, you’ll start to see why they are so popular.
Just watched this. Not surprised at all with the result, touchless is probably the best snowfoam out there imo. Who says it's just hype? Bilt Hamber is probably the best laboratory in the world for manufacturing next-level detailing products. You need to try the Trace-less glass cleaner, it is AMAZING!
I’m yet to try there auto wheel cleaner , I’ve heard great things about it. So far I havnt found anything that cuts through all the brake dust!
It's pretty impressive I must Say. be interesting to see the results in the summer and see how it performs in the heat (If we get any this year 😅)
Dare I say it sometimes you need a little Acid Wheel Cleaner
@epicautomotivedetailing sometimes wheel acid is essential on old cars that have never been detailed before. Its a damn sight cheaper and quicker than using several passes of fallout remover anyway
@epicautomotivedetailing it performs better in the heat dare I say, well the old formula did at least. Just pre rinse the car first if the paintwork is hot to the touch and reduce dwelling time accordingly. Please review the Bilt hamber glass cleaner Dave, I know I have probably asked more than once lol but it really is more than just a glass cleaner. I promise you will be impressed, you have my word.
The thing about touchless, its quite reasonably priced & actually works & now they've improved the concentration, its better value, I think most people are desperately waiting for them to release the 5 litre bottles of the version 3 touchless.
Another great video, which explains detailing clearly and concisely. I've been using Touchless for a couple of years now along with their wheel cleaner and the results are amazing. I wanted to simplify the PIR calculation (4% with the old version), so use a 5 Litre pump spray bottle using 200 ml. This also avoids foam all over the place and a call to the company confirmed that this is just as effective as using a foam cannon. No wasted product into the bargain. Before doing the contact wash, I spray the car with Surfex HD mixed at 1:20 with water, which I believe gives the shampoo an additional boost to remove grease on the paintwork. I did find that Surfex was emulsifying when left for a period and BH advised me that this can happen in certain water areas, so I use deionised water and problem solved. It does add to the cost though. Keep these great videos coming!
Great video and FYI I use 140ml in a 7 litre (garden) pump sprayer for application and don't waste it on the barely dirty areas of the car. Using as a snow foam is crazy economics.
Thanks Simon I got a bit of hate for this one but I was just trying to myself in the eyes of the beginner
Beginner or not the wash process much be cost effective to be sustainable. That said, buying lesser products demands increased volume so its swings and roundabouts. BH has a great range that I repeat purchase but too much of modern day products are wasted through incorrect dilution or application. I try to spend the money where it counts. I thought this video, like your others, is honest and maybe this is why you got the hate. Keep Being Honest @@epicautomotivedetailing
Nice one. Great video as always. I did tests last year of BH’s ‘calculated’ PIR method and the quantity required seemed absurd. I then tried 20% strength, 10% strength, 4% strength and finally even as low as 2% strength (this was last year so using old touchless), delivered in an ik foamer. All ratios worked really well, and the key difference was foam thickness and therefore cling time. Cleaning power was very very similar. So you can be very frugal. I typically use 100/150ml of old touchless in my Mjjc filled up to apprx 1 litre. Does the job really well. Also, I find a wetter, less thick foam better when it’s blazing hot. It’ll be coming off in 5 mins anyway. Great video as always. All the best.
Excellent video! Thanks! I live in Canada and have been using the original version of T-L for a year or so. I've been impressed by the results but here it's quite expensive. This new version promises to be more effective and less expensive. Perfect!
Totally agree David instructions on bottles are shocking from a tonne of manufacturers trigger spraying and pump spraying are the way forward great video mate
Thanks Paul, sorry just saw this comment. Great product but it kinda takes the fun out of cleaning the car. Most people like myself don't have time to spend ages calculating everything just to wash a car
Once again another fantastic and informative video Dave
Cheers Mark
The PIR method does actually make sense, when you've worked out your PIR then you can understand why they have done it. Everyone's pressure washer and supply pressure is vastly different from one end of the country to the next. Bilt Hamber want you the use and enjoy the product with very measured and precise amounts to get the very best. I think 250ml is way too much unless your using a fire engine hose to clean your car with. I use around 35 to 50ml in my snowfoam bottle as an example.
Place a marker on your snowfoam bottle so that you know where to fill it next time. Top tip. Reduce the amount you add to your snowfoam bottle depending on the time of year and how dirty the car it to save even more product. I'd say 4-5% with the 5ltrs bottle, 2% from the condensed 1ltr bottle in mid winter with all the salt of the road and half that in the summer or less. Easy peasy
Qr code on the bottle should just go to a basic video to help the beginners 🙏
Yep, I agree. I use 5-6 "pumps" from my 5L bottle dispenser, which is probably about 40 - 50ml. This is plenty when diluted in a 500ml snowfoam bottle. I use Touch-less as a pre wash every time and if the car is not heavily soiled, rinse the car and dry it. It is THAT good. 👍😎
@@epicautomotivedetailingyeah it is a good point you make about the QR code. BH is not an easy brand for an amateur to understand. They’re primarily a science/laboratory company first then they are a marketing company.
You're right about the convoluted instructions! Me, I just, er, pour a bit in & top it up. Works for me.
I've been using the Touch Less now for a few months and i too struggled to understand how much to put in the foam cannon so i settled on 200ml which gives good thick foam but once jet washed off there is still a film of dirt on the car even with a pre wash.
You can tell how much dirt is left on with the two bucket method and how quickly the rinse bucket becomes dirty . I still use it to ensure less chance of scratches and thinking it will soften any dirt stuckto the paint work .
If you're using the older touchless try 500ml product 500ml water I find eats the dirt 👍. It will never get 100% of the dirt off but around 80/90%
I bought a litre and just winged it by putting 200ml in a 1 litre foam cannon and topped it up. Did a very good job but all that PIR stuff fries my head
I have been using bh products for years just a weekend warrior loads of info on you tube to get your dilution right. Btw I love your content and it’s honest reviews 👍🏼
Thank you. yeah lots of info out there but I was trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who just buys it based of detailing groups who may not want to figure out PIR. Hopefully the points got across ok in the video😅
Waiting for the new version to come out in 5ltr bottles, but if its anything like the first version, it's going to be amazing.
I bought a bottle of touch less last year, read the instructions and ended up putting loads of product into the snow cannon, next time i put only about an inch of product in the bottom of the bottle and the results were just as good.
Yeah it's a case of trial and error
Touch-Less is brilliant, this version is actually V3, the first version wasn’t very foamy so it was adjusted into the V2 that was max 5% PIR and the new V3 is max 2% PIR.
The PIR is not really that difficult to work out but it is best to do it for your specific setup.
PIR is a relatively recent thing, no manufacturer used to mention PIR. They would just say add 100ml to a litre of water etc. I use Touch-Less like i did Autofoam for the last 15 years - 50ml in 450 ml of water in the canon. Works great.
Which is just laziness on their part, it’s generic at best.
PIR is the best method of getting product into the panel as it was designed to work.
Foam cannons and PWs vary greatly, so will results when using a generic ratio.
For me personally, there isn’t any point in investing in a great product but then not using it as it was researched, tested and designed to be used.
Some folks will get less than good results by doing that, then could have a negative impression of it.
Yes this goes back to my point in the video. Newbie goes on social media group, Pro says use bilt hamber, newbie doesn't want to do the research, they just wanted the best product and that's where things go wrong. Wouldn't say they are lazy for doing so but when something is the best the expectation of the beginners is just to put whatever amount in, wash the car and job done.
@@epicautomotivedetailing again, I’m not calling the user lazy, I’m calling the manufacturers lazy for not giving a recommended PIR range.
All it is, is a percentage or a ratio, however anyone wants to look at it.
We use percentage and ratios for everything else apart from what comes out of a foam cannon.
Why? Because snow foaming cars is one of the iggest gimmicks in this industry and most of them are absolutely useless.
We dilute everything else according to a percentage or a ratio.
That’s all PIR is and it’s the right way to get the product to work as intended, as it is designed to work.
Most snow foams, PIR really doesn’t matter because they do nothing anyway, but this isn’t a snow foam, it’s a foaming pre wash, as is Autofoam
Thank god for RUclips. I generally find BH products work at the lower end of their dilution ratios so have just gone for an easy option of a guess at 200ml for my cannon and it works wonders. Beats having a mini science experiment to work out the pir 😂. It even pulls off a reasonable amount of brake dust meaning less wheel cleaner is needed.
I just worked out the PIR. Lots of videos for that. Mine is 125ml to a litre at 2%. Which is full strength. I use it at half that approx 65ml to a litre . Which does 3 cars. So its excellent value. Through MJJC cannon
I have an MJJC cannon as well. I presume you have the mix level on the dial on the top at maximum if you’re using just 65ml of product?
I stopped working just so I could tune in to this video. Pump sprayer is best. This is the undisputed king for pre washes and cost per wash. You can’t beat this product. They just amped up the power in this latest version. It was already one of the best before that in the previous version. They’ve absolutely murdered everyone in the pre wash game now with this. On one hand Dave, you said earlier in the video that it sounded complicated reading the back to measure PIR but then in practice found it to be fair simple? Slightly inconsistent there I feel. Pump up sprayer is most economical and easiest for most people to do. I would definitely recommend working out PIR where you can just lob product in NEAT, and dial back on the canon to a marked point and you’ll always get your 2% PIR
The way to do this is fill up the canon to 400ml (assuming you have a 1 litre capacity canon).
Turn the dial on the canon to maximum and then turn back one circle, two times as a starting point.
Grab a bucket with marking to 10 litres or one you already measured and know to 10 litres at a certain point.
Spray out the pressure wash into the bucket until you get 10 litres.
Measure how much is left in the canon. Because we’ve filled the canon with 400ml of water, we want 200ml to be left over having expelled 10 litres of total solution. There by giving us the 2% PIR we want.
Long time first time but then from there on after you’ve marked the spot, you can chuck product in neat into the canon and off you go. No worrying about measuring.
Yeah I had brilliant results with trigger spray. The foam was good but you would save so much more with pump sprayer
@@epicautomotivedetailing Trigger spray really is the best mate. Cheap too compared to buying a foam canon and probably best for work flow, like while the spray sits on the paintwork and wheels, get the pressure washer connected to the mains and set up. Your 5 minutes will be done depending on your setup and how fast you are and it’s only a problem when temperatures rise or the sun is out. That’s why I gave the instructions to work out PIR for the canon at 2% because you may have to blast some product on to stop it drying out. I love pump up sprayer though. Foam is nice but what’s nicer is more money in your pocket 😅 loving the video though either way. Another benefit to this product I wish you had given mention to, is its free rinsing properties. In the winter, most of us just wanna get to a reasonable standard with 95/98% of dirt being off in the fastest possible way because we know that 20 minutes later on a drive, the car is dirt and ruined again. Touch less has free rinsing meaning you can spray on and blast the dirt off and leave it being fine. It doesn’t leave a leftover film like Surfex HD, Autofoam and other pre washes. Only GT Therapy Snowfoam also does this otherwise other pre washes mean you need to do a contact stage to fully remove it. This is super handy and convenient in the winter.
Nice one dave ,been using this for a while now and get great results with it ,and to be fair all of there products are good the trackless glass cleaner is fantastic
BH Touch-Less is my go to snow foam. i haven't personally used the v2 one as i have 5 litres of v1 and that will last me over a year and i was my car almost weekly. cost per wash and its power is unrivalled in my opinion. for me its 2 products in one as you don't need a citrus pre wash them blanket with snow foam this does both.
This was really good. Very Impressed so far
It really is good stuff, the price if you buy 5 ltrs is great value. Great review.
I totally get that drawback - I was like 'by the time I've worked that out, I'll have lost a load of time I need to wash the car'. So I just put like an inch in the bottom of my snow lance pot and let rip with it turned up to full. It's such a good product it seems to work just fine like that! Bilt Hamber stuff is so 'less is more'.
I like using a small amount of Surfex Hd with snow foam/water…does a brilliant job and is the jack of all trades. Is there a more versatile product that Bilt Hamber Surfex HD ?
Informative video as always mate
It’s a great product and covers lots of different rolls in detailing and valeting 👍
Brilliant Dave as always I’m going to try this product:) great demonstration
All the best thank you
With a snowfoam cannon it depends what pressures washer is used? So you should test with, for example, a bucket and snow foam gun at maximum setting product. When the product is finished, you measure the total of liters in the bucket per ratio with the product in the snowfoam cannon...
Used both touchless and autofoam for years, Always just in a pump sprayer mainly because it's so easy and you hardy use any product...so 4 percent pir for a really dirty car would be 40ml and for a average dirty car 2 percent or 20 ml into 1 litre of water, so when you factor in u can buy 5ltr for around 23 pounds it makes other brands seem very expensive plus its a sugar based surfactant so fully tree hugger friendly....fo
Great video Dave. It is a fantastic product, i used it this week for the first time and was blown away. PIR is easy enough to calculate, and im sure you wont be using 250ml of product everytime so its very good value for money. Im with you on the citrus, i tend to use it every wash out of habit.
Jon at Forensic Detailing has a very good video on PIR calculation should you want to do a follow up video on this. 🤘🏻
Thank you, Yeah it's great product but not for an impatient person. That PIR is just utter bullcrap for me so I doubt I'll make a follow up video. The day washing a car becomes so technical and anal is the day I walk away from the industry. It would totally suck the fun out of it.
So nice to hear your honestly i feel the same about PIR having said that i layer it over road rage pre wash and its a step up compared to the polar foam i used
@@andrewelley9966 the old me would of taken more time but after cleaning 1000s of cars my attitude has evolved as most owners never keep their cars and most end up trashed
@tomotivedetailingPIR isn’t bullcrap though, and it’s a shame more brands don’t give PIR recommendations instead of recommending x amount of product in a foam cannon, or even worse, recommending 1” of product in a foam cannon 🙄
That, for me, is bullcrap and lazy.
PIR is very easy to work out.
By using PIR means you get the same result whether you are using a trigger spray, pump spray, pump foamer or foam cannon.
All foam cannons are different so using PIR means that you get the correct amount of mixture on the panel.
That should give people a positive experience as they won't then be putting too much or too little product onto the panel, which does matter a bit, and won’t get false results either way.
@@Ally.MacMillan it is when I see grown men trying to start arguments with eachother on Facebook groups about a percentage of chemical going into a bottle to wash a car it's pathetic. I would say most detailers/ car valeters won't admit it but the majority probably just chuck any rough amount in and go by instinct. Honestly when you have limited time to get through jobs I've seen it happen so many times. So no they aren't lazy and I'd challenge any non professional to spend a week trying to run a mobile detailing business then come back to me when they made no money because they spent so much time trying to please a customer "who really doesn't care" because they wanted exactly 2% of foam on their car.
Absolutely loved this SF one of the best SFs that actually cleaned and cleaned well
Great video mate
They do have some interesting products, I prefer Surfex HD over touch-less, foaming it over after a citrus prewash, then after that autofoam, leaves very little to do with the hand wash because most everything is off already. Then a quick once over Auto QD and drying towel, and Bob’s your uncle.
But what I really like about their products is that you can dilute right down according to how dirty your car is and they’re still effective.
What I would say though, if you like a lot of showy thick foam BH is not for you, but personally find it works a lot better for me than Autoglym’s Polar blast and it’s rich creamy nice smelling thick goodness.
Subbed, nice vid. I tried to buy some of this in the USA and the shipping is more than the product. I almost pulled the trigger on it then I saw this video. Very helpful, thanks. Not sure it's any better than what I can get over the counter here. If you still have to touch the car then why do I need this? I currently use Adama Mega foarm. I do a foam, I rinse, I do a foam, I contact, I rinse. Car looks great! If I still have to touch the Bilt Hamber why pay the premium?
My foam never comes out like that 😂
Brilliant video Dave ! I thought on giving this a go ! But it’s way to expensive to use regularly 👍🏼
Ive watched quite a few of your videos over the past three weeks and Ive learned a huge amount, so thanks for your detailed information. However, I do a question for you and your viewers. I am due to pick up a brand new car next week - straight out the showroom - Its colour is Black btw, so my question is : how soon should I attempt to give it a pre-wash, snow wash etc and even a wax ?? or what would you and your viewers suggest i do to keep the car looking in showroom condition.. IF YOU OR YOUR VIEWERS WANT TO SUGGEST THE PRODUCTS I SHOULD USE THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO ! thanks
Good afternoon
Watch the video on the built hammer touch less .2. My snow foam gun is a MJJC pro with the old touch less to get the 4% that was recommended then I used 350ml, on Waze, the new one at 2% I know when we use 196ml. Also, not of, I only noticed as you commented how clean it really makes the vehicles I also used 1L and got my transit custom, and my other half Nissan Navarra. Wait before I’ve used the full 1L I’m just one vehicle so I’m not just saving product and getting two vehicles for the price of one. And as for working it out your percentages for dyslexic people with Asperger syndrome as well RUclips and see how it’s how to get your percentage done.
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Great video Dave. Have to agree with you about calculating PIR. End of the day like yourself I want to wash the car, not perform some mathematical calculation. Bilt Hamber products are excellent, but if you have to use 250ml of that product in a cannon, that's exactly cheap either. I'm a cheapskate, so I normally use diluted APC or citrus pre wash in a pump sprayer 🤣.
Great idea about the qr code. Great product. Need to get some more! 😂
They seriously need to do that asap. It really would benefit everyone
I’m almost out of my 5L V1 have the new V2 ready to go I use 200ml of product but as the new version is supposed to be double the strength I should be able to use 100ml in a 1L foam lance I to use the AVA premium foam lance it removes I would say 95% of the dirt before the contact wash though I do use surfex HD first the use touch less on top works extremely well for me 👍
You hear about not letting these products dry on panels, but has anyone actually tried it? Id love to watch a test panel be subjected to this kind of abuse. Or any juke😂
Ps Touchless is superb through an ik sprayer
If someone does manage to make an actual TOUCHLESS snow foam that would be an absolute game changer
Yes this is for those who have used many other products but have found out the hard way that are more style over substance. There's nothing more annoying than setting up all the gear for products that smell of watermelon or come out of the cannon green from a fancy artwork bottle but don't perform. This is why finding a youtube video to work out how to work out your PIR isn't a massive wrench!
this is a great product for sure,I didnt see much need to use it as foam, just in pump spray works just as well
@@epicautomotivedetailing maybe you can get a longer dwell time for really filthy cars if you foam especially on windy days? But yes i think a lot of pro detailers who are maintenance washing cars more regularly will use it from a pump sprayer at a lower dilution as it still works well and will be better value overall.
Big fan of bilt hamber. I use 200ml of touchless in a mjjc foam lance and top it up with hot water. Not sure if the hot water makes any difference but does a brilliant job.
Works better with cold water was informed
Ok, thanks, I'll stick with the cold water then
250ml seems like a lot.
My foam lance puts out 8.5L to a full 1L jug so 2% PIR is 170ml of touchless to 830ml or water.
When did washing the car get so complicated😮
Don't ask lol...
I mean if i use 200+ ml of i dont know maybe Lift in a foam cannon is making like the same result ? Cause 200+ ml thats like a loooot of product for just 1 car
They perhaps haven’t used the best wording on the bottle to describe how to achieve the PIR % but they will never tell you how much to put in your foam cannon in ml, as each one is unique to the the PW it uses.
So, simple way of calculating your PIR for a foam cannon.
Fill your foam cannon with 1 litre of water.
Set the dial to how you normally use it.
Connect it to your PW and empty it into a bucket with the PW running.
Measure how much water is in the bucket once you have emptied the foam cannon.
Let’s just say you made 12 litres water in total.
If you want to use say 2% PIR then multiply 12000 by 0.02 which gives you 240.
So that would be 240ml product in your foam cannon with 760ml water.
In my case I only need 500ml total to get round my car, so I would use 120ml product with 380ml water, if I wanted 2%.
Remember you can use this stuff at 0.5% PIR so it makes for great value when you buy 5L, and insane value if you are using a pump sprayer.
Hope that makes sense.
Bilt Hamber products aren't marketed towards the average Joe. It's more of an enthusiast product range, and the PIR calculation makes a lot of sense.
Cracking video, Dave. Its my birthday this weekend i sent a pucture of the bottle to my Son, so here's hoping.
I have to agree, PIR isn't something I've calculated before, not that i wouldnt but, of you used 250ml and 750ml of water, then I'm not going to be far wrong with 125ml of Touch-less and 375ml of water, maybe I'll just try that.
Regarding cost per wash, im not that bothered, I'm just enjoying cleaning my car, I just want good results and if its a little more expensive, thats OK.
All the best. 👍
Have a great birthday, my son's birthday too 🎉
Do you need to use a citrus pre cleaner before hand?
I use a pre wash in a pump sprayer tbh.
thats all you need in most cases
You need to watch John at forensic detailing
I use it at 10% in a foam cannon (100ml in a litre jug) and it works wonders, I think 200-250ml in a jug that size is waaaaayyyyy too much and is a waste.
If a product is from Bilt hamber it’s going to be good ! 👍
with my presure machine I use 760ml
So confused with it all so many products wish i could get a list of what products to start with for thr basics
Fiat question I made many videos in recent years covering the basics but it would be great to hear what kind of advice you want? Tools , chemicals or just a list of everything?
@@epicautomotivedetailing I just need a list for pre wash? shampoo/snow foam? Wheel cleaner ? Stuff that I can use without stressing it will cause some sort of damage there are so many products in the industry think my brain is fried from going through them all 🤯🤯
It’s good to see you are succeeding bro
Thank you. It's going great at the moment
The issue with cakculating PIR it all deidnds on the accuracy of the measurement marks on yuur equipment ..... I trained as an analytical chemist in the steel industry and appreciate the need fir accuracy measurenent .....
Your snow foam bottle says it golds 1 litre but if measured using laboratory glass ware it could be anything from 950 ml to 1050 ml (maybe better or worse) yiur detailing bucket ghat says sprayed 11.5 litres into could be anything from 11-12 litres and even measuring it out with a kitchen jug that litre jug could be ss innacurate as yuur foam bottle ..... So yiur calculation saying you need 420 mls diluted to 1 litre could be miles out and who on earth is going to messure out 420 mls youll fill yiur fiam bottle to lightly under 600 mks and top it up to 1 litre .
Its as easy to just say if yiu need 4% mix 400 mls to 1 litre and have done with it ..... Give it a try and if its working great you're ok, you could dven try bringing it down a little abd if its not working to well add a bit more in
Does it strip of tbe wax coatings ? If so can it be prevented?
Best snow foam on the market for pulling dirt of yr car .
Great video Dave, I agree that the average weekend warrior can’t be bothered with all the technical stuff whether it’s a fantastic product or not, it’s still expensive for what it is and there are plenty of good alternatives in my humble opinion, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Most of Bilt Hamber kit is excellent and planet safe… biodegradable! You do use a fair bit of product.. but can use it at 1%… agree with product info… complicated for the beginner… they do excellent Shampoos / clay bars are amazing!
What trigger spray are those? I really like those heads but cant find any
i have a mjjc foam lance anyone know the best measurement for this product
The thing I love about Bilt hamber is how cost effective they are (as long as you get the product from a reputable 3rd party source). You can pick uo 5L of this stuff for just shy of 15 quid. Which is a stellar deal.
Not Available in 5:litres
Please can you share where?
The thing I hate about Bilt Hamber is how they can’t just give a mix …ml product with …ml water.
I get it’s their way of being accurate but it’s not what people want from a snow foam product 😂
My thoughts exactly.
For anyone who runs a business. Of any sort.
Wasting a bit of chemical and water is still cheaper than buying 3 or 4 of the same items for different chemical uses. Business 101
@epicautomotivedetailing What do you think about Sonax products???
Hi, you mentioned the tar on your car and i have lots. What do you use to remove tar
Autoglymm do a tar and glue remover works very well
I love Först though, by Stjarnagloss ❤
Is that zve10 with sigma 16?
what was used for POV ?
It's bit crap this camera. It's only good if the camera is still on a tripod
Crafty lol. Can’t deny Bilt Hamber isn’t a very very good brand. D.V.S
@daveroberts703 I'm a hobbyist in the U.S. so getting Bilt Hamber is a pretty big ordeal. I've never seen anything bad, only good. Have wanted to buy a line up of chem decontamination products (I don't do mechanical yet). And last yr when I checked, prices were considerably cheaper than different U.S. products (excluding shipping). Plz elaborate on why u don't think they are very good or worth the cost. Thank you in advance!😊
It’s a great product but just too expensive to be used on a daily driver.
Never used this and never will, what's wrong with citrus pre wash and laying a snow foam over the top just another company miss leading the weekend warrior, great video Dave.
Thanks Nigel, it's an amazing product. Cannot fault it in terms of performance as it's one of the best but it just slightly confuses some people
If your brain capacity doesn’t work up there to understand the ratios and dilutions I agree….you should stay away from this.
How are they misleading? Neither they or anyone else said you can’t use a citrus prewash and layer a snow foam on top. Stop being bitter.
Great vid. Do you think you could do a vid on garage therapy decon shampoo to compare.
Have a watch of supercharged lamas vid comparing touch less V1 and GT snow foam V2. Better like for like
All this PIR calculation bollox is pointless for the hobby detailer, they are not obsessed with profit margins and working out how much material per car to calculate the minimum amount required to achieve acceptable results but still make enough of a profit to make the business viable.
For BH auto foam, which costs about £23 for 5 litres, fill your snow foam gun container about 1/3rd full of BH auto foam (or 1/2 if you are bothered about super thick foam), then top up with hot water out of the hot tap. That will be more than enough for a medium sized car, it will clean very well, and the last stage of cleaning (the contact wash) will be a lot safer.
The quality and thickness of snow foam, is more reliant on the type of foam gun/cannon, and the pressure of the jetwasher, than it is the product. But, the effectiveness of the cleaning, is reliant on the product, so what looks like amazingly thick snow foam might not actually be better for cleaning the car, and sometimes a thinner foam is a lot better at actually cleaning dirt.
The 5 litre container of BH auto foam will last you at least 20 washes at this ratio, which is extremely cheap yet very effective.
Leave the PIR calculations to professional detailers, who are working to strict budgets for profit/loss.
Its great
Definitely a great product. Used a lot less yesterday and still achieved epic results
Bilt Hamber are the best
Nah. What a lot of old tosh. Just give it to your old Dad. You know iam good at measuring out the right quantity. 😂🤣. Dad 👍🍺
Unless it removes the need for a contact wash (it clearly doesn't), they're all much of a muchness. Yes, some work better than others, but if you still have to contact wash, it's all a bit moot which type and brand you use. When it leaves a white tissue unmakrked after a post wash wipe test, then I'll take notice.
1 % 👍😊
" Calculator NOT included ... "
Everyone knows BH is the 5hitttt! lol
You could ideally leave it on longer if needs be. In this cool weather, with the foam cannon, I can easily leave it to dwell 10 minutes plus
Best stuff I've bought, I'm an average Joe, if you did o' level maths then you can follow the instructions. sorry but it's not rocket science
Exactly, and you only need to calculate once and then use baseline to determine how much depending on how dirty etc.
He’s banging on like it’s harder than getting a moon lander to stay upright. 🙄
I am dyslexic and I worked it out okay
That's good to hear 😊
What's the difficulty?
You simply have to determine the flow rate of your pressure washer.
You do it once, calculate your PIR figure and you have a set amount to use each time.
That's it.
I'm trying to cater for the masses not the few! A good 90% of my audience are beginners who may find all the PIR overwhelming so I'm just putting myself and also they probably would have not even worked out what flow rate their pressure washer is. I think all the points I got across make sense 🙏
@@epicautomotivedetailing that's true.
I suppose they do make it a bit less accessible to the layman.
@@AntEloftheHouseofElbh products are not really for 'the layman'. It's for people who care about getting good results. The product is so good even 'detailers' who want good money for quick once over may be missing a trick here (only the lack of bright colours and bubblegum flavour may be an issue). As you say, what's the big deal with working out PIR? It's a one time thing, also helping to avoid wasting product. Then you just vary according to the job in hand. (no need to use full strength on a regularly maintained vehicle). It's actually quicker than having to experiment with ratios of products that don't properly allow for all the variables, levels of soiling, PW and snow foam cannons. Bit disappointed in some of epics remarks here, seems to have become a bit jaded.
@@MartinBennett-rs6thrasher no I do get where he's coming from, when you consider the video to be aimed at those perhaps just starting their detailing journeys.
Not everyone wants to know how to calculate PIR's I suppose.
Or that fallout removers' active ingredients is Thioglycolic acid and that they are not actually "dissolving" break dust.
Or the differences between rotary and DA, free spinning and gear driven machine polishers etc.
I forget that, in the grand scheme of things, my knowledge is that of an experienced detailer, but I might have learned even faster if RUclips was a thing back in the day.
Yes thank you I’m dyslexic and struggling with dilutions ratios anyway..and that’s just ridiculous 🙄🤯 cheers legend 🙌
Yes someone gets it 👏. when I started my own brand the very first thing I did was have qr codes with how to videos that broke down the entire process to achieve brilliant results. Thanks for commenting
@@epicautomotivedetailing I do..yes perfect 👌
Is bilt hamber touch less just hype? Yep I reckon it is, I still see no difference between AG TFR multiwash, and my all time favorite, NV SNow+ but I got it on sale and it was cheap.
Pir easy super easy to do . Just need your bucket with measurements and snowfoam canon fill the snow foam bottle with water and then conect it to your pressure washer then spray the into a bucket until the water in the snow foam bottle is empty from the water . Next look how much water is measured in the bucket then times that number by the ratio , so for 2 % it would be water in bucket x .002 = pir
You said it in your video. This product isn't really for beginners. Its for professionals and hobbyists. These people know how to calculate the PIR. They also know this product is a PRE-WASH. So it is certainly a touchless product. I don't see any sneakiness at all.
I keep having this argument with people that say Bilt Hamber are being disingenuous. Nope, its a touchless pre-wash. Nowhere on the bottle does it say its an all in one cleaner.
And if you do buy it as a novice, then its up to you to do your research. If you are not willing to do this then go to Halfords and buy some generic shite of the shelf.
Yeah totally understand that comment. That was the point I was trying to get across so newbies don't buy it presuming it will clean the entire car
Pump Sprayer= 20ml=20p per wash
Foam bottle =200mi=£2 per wash
Great value in pump Sprayer, not so much in a foam gun.
Looks like a great product Dave. Their glass cleaner might be of interest to you aswell
Yeah I've never had real problems with glass cleaning but curious with this new formula
i was a big fan of bilt hamber auto foam and the more recent touchless, but it was starting to add up and not too beneficial to the wallet, so now i swear by infinity wax citrus and powerfoam, fore more cost effective and both pack a serious punch, i highly highly rate infinity wax products for price and for working well
Infinity wax always win for the mobile valeter / detailer. Absaloutely love it
I like your last comment in terms of a pre-wash. I was kind of curious to what was the difference between using this product verses using an APC as a pre-wash? Thank you.
Great video idea
I think your adding too much to your bottle, 20ml is adequate and it does a brilliant job
A big 👍 from me on your video, it's a bit of a con for professionals when a normal pre wash would be much cheaper.
Thanks Paul
Very informative, thanks for doing the video as ordered some a week ago and waiting for delivery.
Thank you yeah mine took ages to come. They use a third party Facility so mine didnt actually come from bilt hamber but some oil company instead which kinda sucked because delivery cost £6.99 and it took a week to arrive
Does it strip my wax?
Brilliant video this il be subscribing and watching more 👌🏻
Thank you 🙏