I bought one of these Avanti 5 stage HVLP. The poor reviews complained about the provided hose coming apart. I really like your Flexzilla solution and I just now happen to be needing to replace about 30' of air conditioner drain line which will leave me a good 20' or so for paint hose working in back. Plenty for my needs and at a big cost savings too. Thank you for your videos. They are a big help. Best of luck to you.
I was looking at that house on tractor supply the other day and hvlp was the first thing that came to my mind. Now, what type of connectors did you use? Looks like a factory install. Thanks
I disassembled and used the barbed fittings from my Apollo HVLP Turbine hose, it has the couplers which screw onto the barbed fittings and fits perfectly into the Flexzilla. Also, the original hose end threads from Flexzilla will fit to the couplers that originally came with my Apollo hose - without having to cut and splice. I cut and splice to make a short 15ft. hose. My Apollo hose was about 9yrs old so it was time to upgrade. A 50ft hose is too long and will have pressure drop at the other end. HVLP turbine spraying with a shorter hose gives more pressure at the air cap.
You literally answer the question I had. Would a 50’ hose be too long? My guess is about 30’ is the sweet spot for turbine units. I personally own a FujiSpray turbine and love it. Was sold by their customer service reviews as well as their product quality. I have been eyeing the Apollo 7700 to pair with a Mini Mite 5 unit. For BC/CC automotive spraying. Would you recommend this spray gun personally for that use? Thank you for your time and love all your videos. Very informative and entertaining.
I really don't want to get into recommending this brand or that. The reason is this - painting ability or skill, is a variable I can't determine or account for in my brand recommendations. Everyone paints a certain way or style but we all want the same excellent glossy finish results out of the spray gun. But, what I can say is this - I've sprayed with that Apollo 7700 spray gun and have had much success with how it lays down both primers, sealers, base coats and clear coats. The red hood in one of my videos was sprayed using that 7700 spray gun. I sprayed that hood using Spies Hecker 8096 clear coat with a 0.8mm needle/tip, and the A - air cap. The 7700 layed down that clear coat. I've have used, and continue to use and test, that 7700 spray gun since when Apollo first sent it to me, and it's solid. However, the spray gun I use in most of my Apollo videos will most likely be the older version of that 7700 spray gun - the 7500 spray gun, which I purchased on my own. The spraying data and recipes I have created using both spray guns can apply to either or. They both are almost identical and use the same needle/tips and air caps, spray gun body, handle, and same top and bottom adaptor fittings for 3M PPS. #S34 Top and #S18 Bottom adaptor for 2.0 PPS version. The only major difference is how the air distributor in the 7700 has the alignment pin on the air distributor - my 7500 has it affixed to the spray gun body. And, the 7700 has a small nylon white piece at the nozzle tip of air distributor - it's used to adjust and vary the fan ring tension adjustment. My 7500 does not have that nylon white piece. I'm nostalgic with that 7500 spray gun, it was my first Apollo spray gun when I completely changed over to automotive turbine spraying, and I have cosmetically customized it by sawing off the top hook - saving 17grams of weight, drilled out the trigger handle to make it look a little cooler, and it's the same one and only spray gun I use for everything - primers, sealers, base coat and clear. I can just change out the needle and tip, and choose an air cap for the type of spraying I'm doing. I even named my Apollo 7500 spray gun - I call it "Futuristic HVLP". Plus, as an added bonus Apollo spray guns have won numerous awards. Hope this long winded answer helps you with your decision. Thank you for watching the videos and commenting.
Jake, just ran across your channel. Thanks for the great info. When you cut the hose, what fittings did you use and how did you attach them to the hose?
I used my old barbed fittings from my Apollo hose. And then, I reattached with the Otekiker clamps I removed from the Apollo hose and rewrapped them with black electrical tape for esthetics. You can use a regular small hose clamp to connect the hose to the fitting, but it is not as factory oem looking. Also, Flexzilla has a hose custom cut fitting on their website that looks like it could work too. I talked to the tech rep Tyler today, and he described them to me and I think they should work great. They are made of aluminum similar to the Apollo fittings. The couplers I used are the Apollo couplers, they work great and are made of aluminum. I'm still working on getting some links up, but you can source the Flexzilla couplers at Ace hardware. I got some on order from Amazon and will get those links up if they work, and after I experiment with the fittings. I just recut my hose to 30ft and reused my clamps, I'll post that video in a couple days.
My thoughts would be, I don't think it's a great idea because air velocity might be affected and you might loose some psi value. A comparable example would be using a too long of a hose of the proper size and causing less cap air pressure at the spray gun. The other problem would be the larger hose diameter would need to down size to fit the standard fitting sizes on the couplers for HVLP turbines and spray guns. Try this exercise and see if it explains it better. Take your hand - palm facing your mouth and blow like you are whistling, you'll feel the force of air. Now with the same amount of breath - blow with your mouth open more and you'll feel less air velocity. With turbine spraying, there needs to be a balance of CFM (cubic feet per minute, aka - amount of air) and air psi pressure. I've sprayed at "Ultra low psi" with the Apollo brand of turbine machine, and I set the psi down to 3psi, and I am still able to atomize clear coat but with a smaller width fan. The fan width could only get so wide, because there isn't enough CFM and PSI balance to atomize wider. The example would be to cone shape the fan pattern narrower, which would then increase my air velocity to atomize the clear coat. Hope this helps. Thank you for watching and commenting.
An addition to my reply with the 3/4" hose is the original 3/4" hose threads should be the same size for garden hose fittings, and it WOULD screw onto the HVLP couplers - but if the hose was CUSTOM CUT and needed to be reattached to the 5/8" id HVLP couplers - then a larger adaptor would be needed.
Great info Jake, my question to you is. Where did you get those quick connectors and the size, i do have some standard garden hose connectors that i was planning to use in my pressure washer but it won't fit in to my Fuji spray system, what i mean is that the fitting at the bottom of ther gun its bigger that the garden hose connector, now, when you make those hoses did you use regular clamps to hold the connectors?...... Hope you can put us interested in you idea in the right direction, by the way i saw another of you videos showing the plug you are using to restrict the air, also great idea but have you consider to get a remote control for you turbine? It work out for me when i need to refill that way i can keep the turbine off while I'm I'm refilling, thanks for the tips jake keep doing this awesome content bro 🤙🏽🤟🏽
I reused the clamps from my old Apollo turbine hose. I made a video on how I remove and reuse the clamps. The bottom of the turbine spray guns have a standard size and the Apollo hose couplers work really well. I've tried the quick connect fittings on other quick connects for garden hoses but some fittings don't work because of a length issue - the spray gun connect fitting protrudes too far into the garden quick connect - I've tried and it won't seal properly. Have you tried removing and using the fittings from the Fuji turbine hose, those should work. As for the remote on/off, yes I've thought about that too - a sealed on/off wall toggle switch could work like a red panic button. But, some of the different turbine machines I use have an adjustable pressure setting and I like to ramp up or ramp down the machine rpms slowly - just to be a little gentle with the equipment. Thank you for watching and commenting. As an added thought, I've also used regular automotive hose clamps - the skinny small size - as my clamps, and those work too. The spraying pressures are ultra low psi and the clamping force needed to create a solid air seal is low. However, the automotive hose clamps don't look as flush and factory - so I just reuse the Apollo clamps. The black wrap around is plain old electrical tape.
@@JakeLesada thanks bro I'll be checking out the video you mentioned, that will give me a better understanding, I use mainly the system for flipping furniture,tryin to get in to the kitchen cabinets business.🤙🏽🤟🏽
Sorry took so long to get back to you. It's my video on Oetiker Clamp remove and reuse. I'm working on a video that explains more in-depth what works and doesn't work with the Flexzilla mod.
It does really well at 35 feet, but at 50 feet I haven't gone that length and don't have any data. I'll try some experiments with that length and see what happens.
Yeah, it's a quick connect that originally was attached to my Apollo HVLP Turbine hose. I just swapped it to my custom cut 15ft.Flexzilla hose and started spraying with it. It works and is lighter than other quick connects. I noticed the other quick connects use brass as the metal for their product. Apollo's quick connect works like a dream and seals solid on all my fittings. It's made out of a light weight aluminum something or whatever. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I hope you can help me with this because I’m not finding any information on my turbine hose. I have a 25’ foot FujiSpray hose and I’m unsure what the inside diameter is? It’s either 3/4” I.D. or 5/8” I.D. I see you’re using a 5/8” I.D. hose for your set up which is what id like to do as well. Will there be an issue with my FujiSpray Mini mite 5 if I go this route?
I haven't had any issues running this hose setup with Apollo, Sherwin Williams 4 stage( Titan relabel), or the Avanti 5 stage. It's been working great.
@@JakeLesada thank you for the quick response. You’re videos have given me the inspiration to paint all my projects with confidence. Turbine technology and convenience is something that everyone who wants to paint should be aware of. I’m so glad o invested and your one of the main reasons I did. Thank you
@@kashayalnala I’m currently waiting on the hose to arrive. As soon as it does I’m going to do some spray outs comparing the Flexzilla hose to my original FujiSpray hose. Right now I’m up in the air on purchasing an Apollo 7700 or a FujiSpray T75G. But as soon as I compare I’ll post my results.
Yeah, sorry friends but the current link shown is showing the wrong hose I am using. Going to fix that. I'll post update. You'll need to have the hose swivel from the coupler end on both the wall coupler and the spray gun coupler. Otherwise if the hose does not swivel with the painter's movement - the hose gets curled and curled.
Makes painting more fun and more maneuverable. I feel one with the hose, it's lighter too. No issues with the heat either. I've been using it for awhile now and it's holding up really well. After every spray session I disconnect, wipe down and hang separate from the spray room. It's an extra precaution to make my Flexzilla hose last. At the collision center, all the different brands of air hoses we've used in the spray booth degrade from exposure to baking cycles and paint chemicals. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@JakeLesada. What other things do you recommend? Just got me a geaco 9.5 turbine. Wish I would have gone for the apollo similar price but I like the idea of the hose. The other one too heavy
My hose handles it fine. According to Flexzilla tech, it's the same composition as the 3/8" air hose we use in the body shop. But, they don't have testing data for how I"m using it as an air hose - they only have date for water use. But, the air hose we have in the spray booth goes through 140F-160F bake cycles. I get heat temp readings of around 10 degrees above ambient room temp with the turbine machines I'm using. When it's around 100F in the booth the machine is around 115F -118F.
@@JakeLesada That's great! Thought you might not have run it that long doing panels. I do kitchen cabinets and it could be running for a couple hours at a time sometimes
@@MIKEC2000did you end up trying the hose ? I do the same work as you and I run my machine for a couple of hours at the time. I’m wondering how it does in a prolonged time
I bought one of these Avanti 5 stage HVLP. The poor reviews complained about the provided hose coming apart.
I really like your Flexzilla solution and I just now happen to be needing to replace about 30' of air conditioner drain line which will leave me a good 20' or so for paint hose working in back. Plenty for my needs and at a big cost savings too. Thank you for your videos. They are a big help. Best of luck to you.
Thank you so much for watching and commenting.
Why is this guy one of the only guys posting vids with the turbine sprayer for auto..? it seems like a cool setup.. thanks for the vids.
Thank you for taking the time to watch the videos.
The man is a legend and definitely a pioneer in automotive turbine refinishing. National treasure as far as I’m concerned.,
Very insightful as always Jake. I'll be looking for one of those hoses here in the UK! Thanks
I’ve learned a lot of tricks from your vids. Thanks. But how does the flexilla handle the heat?
I was looking at that house on tractor supply the other day and hvlp was the first thing that came to my mind. Now, what type of connectors did you use? Looks like a factory install. Thanks
I disassembled and used the barbed fittings from my Apollo HVLP Turbine hose, it has the couplers which screw onto the barbed fittings and fits perfectly into the Flexzilla. Also, the original hose end threads from Flexzilla will fit to the couplers that originally came with my Apollo hose - without having to cut and splice. I cut and splice to make a short 15ft. hose. My Apollo hose was about 9yrs old so it was time to upgrade. A 50ft hose is too long and will have pressure drop at the other end. HVLP turbine spraying with a shorter hose gives more pressure at the air cap.
You literally answer the question I had. Would a 50’ hose be too long? My guess is about 30’ is the sweet spot for turbine units. I personally own a FujiSpray turbine and love it. Was sold by their customer service reviews as well as their product quality. I have been eyeing the Apollo 7700 to pair with a Mini Mite 5 unit. For BC/CC automotive spraying. Would you recommend this spray gun personally for that use? Thank you for your time and love all your videos. Very informative and entertaining.
I really don't want to get into recommending this brand or that. The reason is this - painting ability or skill, is a variable I can't determine or account for in my brand recommendations. Everyone paints a certain way or style but we all want the same excellent glossy finish results out of the spray gun. But, what I can say is this - I've sprayed with that Apollo 7700 spray gun and have had much success with how it lays down both primers, sealers, base coats and clear coats. The red hood in one of my videos was sprayed using that 7700 spray gun. I sprayed that hood using Spies Hecker 8096 clear coat with a 0.8mm needle/tip, and the A - air cap. The 7700 layed down that clear coat. I've have used, and continue to use and test, that 7700 spray gun since when Apollo first sent it to me, and it's solid. However, the spray gun I use in most of my Apollo videos will most likely be the older version of that 7700 spray gun - the 7500 spray gun, which I purchased on my own. The spraying data and recipes I have created using both spray guns can apply to either or. They both are almost identical and use the same needle/tips and air caps, spray gun body, handle, and same top and bottom adaptor fittings for 3M PPS. #S34 Top and #S18 Bottom adaptor for 2.0 PPS version. The only major difference is how the air distributor in the 7700 has the alignment pin on the air distributor - my 7500 has it affixed to the spray gun body. And, the 7700 has a small nylon white piece at the nozzle tip of air distributor - it's used to adjust and vary the fan ring tension adjustment. My 7500 does not have that nylon white piece. I'm nostalgic with that 7500 spray gun, it was my first Apollo spray gun when I completely changed over to automotive turbine spraying, and I have cosmetically customized it by sawing off the top hook - saving 17grams of weight, drilled out the trigger handle to make it look a little cooler, and it's the same one and only spray gun I use for everything - primers, sealers, base coat and clear. I can just change out the needle and tip, and choose an air cap for the type of spraying I'm doing. I even named my Apollo 7500 spray gun - I call it "Futuristic HVLP". Plus, as an added bonus Apollo spray guns have won numerous awards. Hope this long winded answer helps you with your decision. Thank you for watching the videos and commenting.
Jake, just ran across your channel. Thanks for the great info. When you cut the hose, what fittings did you use and how did you attach them to the hose?
I used my old barbed fittings from my Apollo hose. And then, I reattached with the Otekiker clamps I removed from the Apollo hose and rewrapped them with black electrical tape for esthetics. You can use a regular small hose clamp to connect the hose to the fitting, but it is not as factory oem looking. Also, Flexzilla has a hose custom cut fitting on their website that looks like it could work too. I talked to the tech rep Tyler today, and he described them to me and I think they should work great. They are made of aluminum similar to the Apollo fittings. The couplers I used are the Apollo couplers, they work great and are made of aluminum. I'm still working on getting some links up, but you can source the Flexzilla couplers at Ace hardware. I got some on order from Amazon and will get those links up if they work, and after I experiment with the fittings. I just recut my hose to 30ft and reused my clamps, I'll post that video in a couple days.
Thank you. I have the avanti as well and would like to use it the watt you do.
Do you use the heat resistant part of the stock hose to connect the flexzilla?
I don't use any part of the Avanti hose. I use my Flexzilla hose mod with an Apollo hose coupler.
Any thoughts on using the Flexzilla 3/4” id hose? I’m new to hvlp and got a deal on an avanti 5 stage, so I really appreciate your videos!
My thoughts would be, I don't think it's a great idea because air velocity might be affected and you might loose some psi value. A comparable example would be using a too long of a hose of the proper size and causing less cap air pressure at the spray gun. The other problem would be the larger hose diameter would need to down size to fit the standard fitting sizes on the couplers for HVLP turbines and spray guns. Try this exercise and see if it explains it better. Take your hand - palm facing your mouth and blow like you are whistling, you'll feel the force of air. Now with the same amount of breath - blow with your mouth open more and you'll feel less air velocity. With turbine spraying, there needs to be a balance of CFM (cubic feet per minute, aka - amount of air) and air psi pressure. I've sprayed at "Ultra low psi" with the Apollo brand of turbine machine, and I set the psi down to 3psi, and I am still able to atomize clear coat but with a smaller width fan. The fan width could only get so wide, because there isn't enough CFM and PSI balance to atomize wider. The example would be to cone shape the fan pattern narrower, which would then increase my air velocity to atomize the clear coat. Hope this helps. Thank you for watching and commenting.
An addition to my reply with the 3/4" hose is the original 3/4" hose threads should be the same size for garden hose fittings, and it WOULD screw onto the HVLP couplers - but if the hose was CUSTOM CUT and needed to be reattached to the 5/8" id HVLP couplers - then a larger adaptor would be needed.
Great info Jake, my question to you is. Where did you get those quick connectors and the size, i do have some standard garden hose connectors that i was planning to use in my pressure washer but it won't fit in to my Fuji spray system, what i mean is that the fitting at the bottom of ther gun its bigger that the garden hose connector, now, when you make those hoses did you use regular clamps to hold the connectors?...... Hope you can put us interested in you idea in the right direction, by the way i saw another of you videos showing the plug you are using to restrict the air, also great idea but have you consider to get a remote control for you turbine? It work out for me when i need to refill that way i can keep the turbine off while I'm I'm refilling, thanks for the tips jake keep doing this awesome content bro 🤙🏽🤟🏽
I reused the clamps from my old Apollo turbine hose. I made a video on how I remove and reuse the clamps. The bottom of the turbine spray guns have a standard size and the Apollo hose couplers work really well. I've tried the quick connect fittings on other quick connects for garden hoses but some fittings don't work because of a length issue - the spray gun connect fitting protrudes too far into the garden quick connect - I've tried and it won't seal properly. Have you tried removing and using the fittings from the Fuji turbine hose, those should work. As for the remote on/off, yes I've thought about that too - a sealed on/off wall toggle switch could work like a red panic button. But, some of the different turbine machines I use have an adjustable pressure setting and I like to ramp up or ramp down the machine rpms slowly - just to be a little gentle with the equipment. Thank you for watching and commenting. As an added thought, I've also used regular automotive hose clamps - the skinny small size - as my clamps, and those work too. The spraying pressures are ultra low psi and the clamping force needed to create a solid air seal is low. However, the automotive hose clamps don't look as flush and factory - so I just reuse the Apollo clamps. The black wrap around is plain old electrical tape.
@@JakeLesada thanks bro I'll be checking out the video you mentioned, that will give me a better understanding, I use mainly the system for flipping furniture,tryin to get in to the kitchen cabinets business.🤙🏽🤟🏽
Hi Jake! Can you please link to the video you mentioned about modifying a Flexzilla hose for attaching couplers etc.? Thanks!
Sorry took so long to get back to you. It's my video on Oetiker Clamp remove and reuse. I'm working on a video that explains more in-depth what works and doesn't work with the Flexzilla mod.
If running the turbine for longer periods, how does that hose handle heat generated from the turbine?
Does the avanti 5 stage holds the scfm well with the 50 feet ?
It does really well at 35 feet, but at 50 feet I haven't gone that length and don't have any data. I'll try some experiments with that length and see what happens.
Hey Jake, what kind of tips did you put on the hose? I see its a quick connect tip, correct?
Yeah, it's a quick connect that originally was attached to my Apollo HVLP Turbine hose. I just swapped it to my custom cut 15ft.Flexzilla hose and started spraying with it. It works and is lighter than other quick connects. I noticed the other quick connects use brass as the metal for their product. Apollo's quick connect works like a dream and seals solid on all my fittings. It's made out of a light weight aluminum something or whatever. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I hope you can help me with this because I’m not finding any information on my turbine hose. I have a 25’ foot FujiSpray hose and I’m unsure what the inside diameter is? It’s either 3/4” I.D. or 5/8” I.D. I see you’re using a 5/8” I.D. hose for your set up which is what id like to do as well. Will there be an issue with my FujiSpray Mini mite 5 if I go this route?
I haven't had any issues running this hose setup with Apollo, Sherwin Williams 4 stage( Titan relabel), or the Avanti 5 stage. It's been working great.
@@JakeLesada thank you for the quick response. You’re videos have given me the inspiration to paint all my projects with confidence. Turbine technology and convenience is something that everyone who wants to paint should be aware of. I’m so glad o invested and your one of the main reasons I did. Thank you
@@kashayalnala I’m currently waiting on the hose to arrive. As soon as it does I’m going to do some spray outs comparing the Flexzilla hose to my original FujiSpray hose. Right now I’m up in the air on purchasing an Apollo 7700 or a FujiSpray T75G. But as soon as I compare I’ll post my results.
Yeah, sorry friends but the current link shown is showing the wrong hose I am using. Going to fix that. I'll post update. You'll need to have the hose swivel from the coupler end on both the wall coupler and the spray gun coupler. Otherwise if the hose does not swivel with the painter's movement - the hose gets curled and curled.
Ok, the link is updated to what I'm currently using. Sorry about that, don't know why it showed the other hose.
This is actually a genius idea Sir. I bet it feels way better when you're using it. Nice Work 👍.
No issues with heat ?
Makes painting more fun and more maneuverable. I feel one with the hose, it's lighter too. No issues with the heat either. I've been using it for awhile now and it's holding up really well. After every spray session I disconnect, wipe down and hang separate from the spray room. It's an extra precaution to make my Flexzilla hose last. At the collision center, all the different brands of air hoses we've used in the spray booth degrade from exposure to baking cycles and paint chemicals. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@JakeLesada. What other things do you recommend? Just got me a geaco 9.5 turbine. Wish I would have gone for the apollo similar price but I like the idea of the hose. The other one too heavy
How does that hose handle the heat for longer run times?
My hose handles it fine. According to Flexzilla tech, it's the same composition as the 3/8" air hose we use in the body shop. But, they don't have testing data for how I"m using it as an air hose - they only have date for water use. But, the air hose we have in the spray booth goes through 140F-160F bake cycles. I get heat temp readings of around 10 degrees above ambient room temp with the turbine machines I'm using. When it's around 100F in the booth the machine is around 115F -118F.
@@JakeLesada That's great! Thought you might not have run it that long doing panels. I do kitchen cabinets and it could be running for a couple hours at a time sometimes
@@MIKEC2000did you end up trying the hose ? I do the same work as you and I run my machine for a couple of hours at the time. I’m wondering how it does in a prolonged time
Does this work with your avanti 5 stage?
Yes the hose setup works, both the short and long hose with the Avanti 5 Stage.
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