This is why Body Positivity is unsafe w/ Billy Corgan
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I work as a paramedic. I’ve never treated a morbid obese patient over the age of 65 in my entire 10 year career. You know why? Obese people rarely make it to that age. If you’re 20-40 and you accept obesity because your body is getting by, give it time. It will fail on you fast and there’s no way to stop it once it does.
My aunt is 83. She's not obese but she's miserable, constantly in pain. I have no desire to live that long.
@@nickbarcheck1019 When you're 82... you might feel differently about living to 83.
Nah. I don't want to be in pain. I'm ready to go anytime. I have zero fear of dying.
@@nickbarcheck1019 Idk man, that’s easy to say when you’re not at risk of dying.
How do you know what I want? I'm ready to go anytime. We're not in this life for peace. I'm looking forward to death. My life, my business.
I was530lbs and I turned things around and I'm 6'1 220.
I can say that when you get so big, if you lose 50 -75 lb you can't really see much results. Some people chase $ some drugs, some food.
Everyone is addicted to something in this country, and our culture is one of over indulging. It's not easy to break these cycles. Most of the time when a person does make a change, they hope for a little praise, unfortunately it doesn't work like that. People think, your just doing what the rest of us are doing everyday, no realizing how hard it is to be (normal) like everyone else. It's a vicious cycle.
Withalot of hard work I have kept my weight off for over 20 plus years,but it's not easy. I hope anyone struggling with any type of addiction no matter what it may be, finds the courage and has the support to make a change for the better.
YOU DESERVE IT.
You Still overweight.
Respect
Salute. Great work.
I will say this, it doesn't cost a person anything to encourage someone, tell them they are doing good and give then a little praise and encouragement, it goes alot father than you think, this applies to everyday life.
I cost you nothing to give someone a compliment, and you will probably never know how much it means to that person and it may just give them the motivation they need to succeed. Besides, everyone is just looking for acceptance and wants to be liked and loved, make someone's day and pay them a compliment.
If we would all give more praise and less criticism we just might be able to turn this world around.
@scorpio1394 thank you, I try to stay humble and it seems like a lifetime ago, do me a favor, if you know someone who is struggling with whatever, when they try and make an attempt to make a change for the better, encourage them.
You would be amazed at what a compliment and a word of encouragement means to someone who has a long battle ahead of them.
Honestly, thank you.
Yeah I agree with Bill. There is a huge difference between body positivity & straight up gluttony
What’s that difference?
Body positivity should be about your natural shape or being slightly overweight or slightly underweight not accepting obesity like Lizzo does.
@@lemsip207exactly. Having self control is too hard for many, so they praise effects…
@@lemsip207 your comment is dmbasf, there are tons of people in the world that have certain diseases that causes them to be really big how much healthy food they eat and if they workout, so you need to make sure that someone Lizzo’s size is that way because either they wore born with a disease or they made themselves that way 😂🙄 and p.s Lizzo said herself she was big because of a disease so clean that up 💯
Exactly 🔥🔥
My buddy's wife preaches body positivity no matter what, and got pissed at me when I called it out as being dangerous and irresponsible to praise obese people.
Another reason to never hang out with married guys.
@@nickbarcheck1019 Well, I’m married, so…
I'm so sorry.
@@nickbarcheck1019 Don't be. Being married is awesome if you actually marry the right person.
I'm a gay guy who has lots of promiscuous sex with strangers so I have zero plans to get married.
The problem with the body positivity movement and identity politics in general is that It literally teaches people to only look skin-deep. It preaches the someone's outward appearance the sum of who they are. It's dangerously irresponsible.
Body positivity is more about being positive about your body so that you can have better mental health instead of obsessing over a beauty standard. The whole point is about going beyond skin-deep. And identity is extremely complex, thinking that it's just about skin is a very superficial way to examine it. It can include different cultural experiences, socioeconomic backgrounds, gender/orientations.
Exactly. The problem with identity politics is it completely erases individuality.
1000000%
You forgot to mention that it's only applied to one gender and we all know which one it is.
How is that exactly?
When I graduated high school, I was 350 pounds, I was by the time. My girlfriend had our 1st kid. I weighed 550 pounds, I topped out at 636 pounds, now I was not 5' tall, I am 6'3". I was huge! 20 years ago. I lost four hundred pounds eating eating small portion sizes six meals a day walking in water. Now at 45, I wish I never would have gained all of that weight and when you love to eat and don't like to work out. It's no mystery on how it happens. I'm so glad I changed my life.
Congratulations on your journey.
That's fantastic! I swim regularly as a triathlete, and there are a group of very obese regulars who do water aerobics at the local pool, and I always make it a point to talk with them and make them feel like they part of the community because I understand how tough it is when you're that size. My dad was very heavy in his 30s and early 40s until he had gastric bypass, and I remember how much he struggled with dieting, but fat or thin, he was always the same dad.
How cool man! I lost I believe 50 pounds after highschool! I’m 5’10 and it changed my life completely. I gained like 25 pounds during the pandemic and then I broke my foot so now it’s time to get back in shape because I don’t feel right! I’m 41 now and it’s more difficult
I've lost over 100lbs 3 separate times. There's a certain hopelessness that comes with the depression involved in being terribly overweight that most people just don't get, not even the people going through it a lot of the time. Intellectually, you know that you're killing yourself and that there are things you can do to change that, but on another level it seems impossible. The idea of you changing feels like fantasizing about winning the lottery, it can never actually happen, not to you. You just can't see yourself getting a win. And no, getting smoke blown up your ass isn't the answer. The way you do it is by getting some wins under your belt, any little victories, so you stop seeing yourself as destined to lose.
@@Cocoisagordonsetter Different things work for different people, and it can be particularly difficult for women to meet their goals.
For me, fasting intermittently works. And it's not so much that fasting helps much with my weight directly, it just refreshes my energy levels and keeps me even, so that I can sleep well and exercise. It's hard to start, but once you get used to it, it's a cakewalk.
But some people just can't fast, for them elimination usually works. Journal everything you eat and the subsequent effects on sleep, mood, energy, etc. And I've yet to hear anyone say "Processed sugars, simple carbs, and starches worked for me."
And not to sound dismissive, but I have seen a lot of 40 year old women stress over putting on 20-30lbs since their 20s, and to that I'd say not to make something a bigger problem than what it is. Mountains are much more difficult to climb than molehills. It's good to keep things in perspective and recognize that making a big dent in a small amount of weight is much more difficult than a large amount.
One last thing, (sorry for the essay), weight that you've recently gained is much easier to lose than weight that you've carried for a while. And once your body has become acclimated to the new weight, it will always be a bit of a struggle to keep it off. Not to scare you, but it's best to tackle these things right away, trust me, lol.
@@Cocoisagordonsetter Oh wow, yeah, it's not always just a simple calculation of how many calories you consume vs how much you move. Well, technically it is, but your body can vary widely in how it uses those calories based on things like medication, age, and sex.
I always get a little frustrated with people who oversimplify metabolism with "calories in, calories out." It's like they completely ignore all the people who eat like a horse, exercise irregularly, and still stay lean. It's obviously not that simple.
And then there's appetite. I have a friend who, before being put on psyche meds, could barely finish a meal, and then became so voracious after the meds he'd make himself sick from overeating. Meds can definitely be a mixed blessing.
As for metabolism, in my experience, high intensity interval training works wonders. You essentially push yourself to your limits with cardio for a short burst, recover, then rinse and repeat until exhausted.
But for most, from what I've seen, increasing muscle mass and strength training works best. And, if I'm not mistaken, increased strength is one of the better ways to give yourself an edge against cancer.
Speaking of, I hope you're well, I've seen people fighting cancer and I know what it can take out of you. Having to stress over weight while dealing with that can't be easy. But it sounds like you have a great attitude and a big family around you, and that makes all the difference. I'm sure you've got this.
@@Cocoisagordonsetter Oh good, then you have definitely got this. And being in your late 40s is hardly old, lol. You're still young enough that your body should be able to recover fairly easily.
Though, I've heard from a number of people that taking collagen is a good idea to help with skin issues when losing weight after like your 20s-30s. And that autophagy from fasting works wonders at reversing scarring, loose skin, and joint, ligament, and tendon issues from weight gain at older ages too.
The hormonal issues are going to be tough, but if you've already been through cancer, you can handle this. Good luck, but I doubt you'll need it, lol.
I'm so old that Billy Corgan has gone from being an edgy rebel to a grown up with common sense lol. What is happening to the world??
Me too.
Remember their 2007 show in Cleveland. He thanked the crowd "for buying him a big house". Always stuck with me.
Its called getting older.
@@tomb7890Umm, no. 2007- you're not old enough. Smashing pumpkins were cool and edgy in the 90s, not 2007. Lol
I was just under 40 in 2007. That's plenty old enough. 😉
It’s not that he became sensible, the world became insane and he stayed the same. In 1996 he would have had the same opinion on being too fat.
Corporations like getting people addicted to their food. Maher never mentions that
Body positivity shows how emphasizing kindness above all other virtues can end up destroying the people you want to help. Obesity shortens life by DECADES. Body positive activists would rather kill people than hurt their feelings.
The concept "killing with kindness" goes back a long way. It's amazing how many people don't get it.
It's a lot darker than that my dude. It's all just a marketing ploy to keep people consuming food and beauty products. The amount of money obese people spend on food a month is INSANE. The people running the companies and orgs behind this "push" would personally slit the throat of 100 obese people if it meant 1% bump on EBIT, they don't give a flying fuck about them in any shape way or form, it's just another way to exploit them.
They confuse cruelty with compassion.
Well said.
Here is the thing though. Nobody who is obese, doesn’t know that they are obese. nobody who is overweight, especially women, doesn’t know that they’re overweight. So it is absolutely useless to point it out to somebody as if they don’t know. It’s like pointing out to a drug addict that they have a drug problem. While they may deny to you that they have one, trust me, they are fucking well aware. It always annoys me, because yes, obesity is unhealthy, but these people want to jump in peoples business just so they can point out their flaws and behaviors. This society has an addiction with pointing out everybody else’s problems, but their own. It’s not your place to say anything about somebody else’s life. It’s not affecting you in anyway whatsoever. And like I said, you are not doing a thing to help someone by telling them that they’re overweight. They know. It is up to them and only them to change it. You’re stating the obvious is it going to do a thing. As someone who used to suffer with eating disorders, it would actually probably make things worse. Because the worse you feel about yourself, the more you self medicate by eating.
I’m trying to start an alcoholic positivity movement… Drunk is Beautiful… that’s our motto. Wet Brain is just another way of knowing, after all. We are hoping the city planners will start accommodating the population we refer to as “alcohol-saturated” persons by making roads all wobly and bendy and lined with padding along the sides.
Yay!!!!
You SOAB I'm in!
😂😂😂
There are alcoholic positivity movements. It's called a bar.
You were born in the wrong body, a uninebriated one
Body Positivity should be a good thing. It's meant to embrace the imperfections people have like missing limbs, scars, burn marks, or loose skin from weight loss (Like I have).
It unfortunately has been abused to the point where making destructive decisions is celebrated.
We shouldn't shame or taunt people for it. That's destructive criticism and does not help. There are psychological issues at play that causes someone to overeat. I was a binge eater. It's psychological.
A person with no shame is shameless. That is not a ‘positive ‘.
Billy is such a class act.. honestly, just absolutely adore him!
But do you Ava Adore him?
@@boot2themoon HAHA YES. YES I DO!!!
For a guy with so much rage, he sure is calm and collected. :)
Smashing Pumpkins.
@lemsip207 ...is the name if his band, yes.
Let's not forget either that the food in this country is non food
Only if you choose to buy non-food or you cannot afford to buy good, healthy food which is also an issue. I am 55 years old and still fit into my college clothes from the late-80's. I have always worked out and I eat depending on my activity. Little activity that day, then I will eat less food but generally I work out daily. Routine is the key and it can work in either direction. Many in my family are overweight and as a kid I realized I never wanted to be overweight or unhealthy so I never took on bad habits. However I must concede I had a great childhood with no trauma or issues. I grew up very middle-class and in a positive, supportive environment with good friends and family around me. I am sure I would be singing a very different tune if I grew up in poverty or abuse. You wanna get rid of obesity, make sure families are doing well, poverty is the #1 reason people will have food issues later in life regardless of their later social and economic status.
@@tedwojtasik8781$3 organic Spinach/Kale
$2 per pound organic apples
.50 cent organic bananas
It's not that expensive. I'm talking organic even.
Only if you choose that processed crap.
Organic apples are def not 2 a pound.
@@heathertalkington7005 I think at Trader Joe's you can get close to that price. 3 organic apples for $2.50 or so. $5 for a 2lb organic bag of apples maybe?
Problem is Trader Joe's aren't everywhere, but Aldi is.
First time I saw Billy Corgan with Bill Maher was in the late 90’s. He was on the show with a bunch of women and he couldn’t get a word in edgewise but I’ve always appreciated what he had to say. He’s a very thoughtful, articulate person.
Bill Maher just enjoys talking and overtalking guests
Heck, I was only 215 pounds. I lost 23 pounds in 4 months. It was all diet. I feel much much better.
Billy Corgan is a grown-up. Haven’t seen him in decades. Time flies.
I can't agree more with Bill I'm obese and never really cared much about it, other than the fact I wished I looked better but didn't have the will and discipline needed to lose the weight. And now that I'm creeping up on 40 and my body is starting to show the effects of carrying all this weight. But glorifying being obese is super dangerous because when everyone says it's ok to be that fat and you lose any outside pressure to lose weight ur just gonna get bigger and bigger, getting fatter and fatter is literally the easiest thing in the world.
Using literally wrong ruins the word...
When I had a weight issue, I started dealing with it by brushing my teeth immediately after dinner. That discouraged me from eating at night. Then I started exercising. I wish you the best of luck!!
@@Lapusso650I'm gonna hate asking this, but....how is that word being misused?
@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 literally means not figuratively. Obviously getting fatter isn't ACTUALLY the easiest thing in the world. So he was being figurative.
you have the will, just not the discipline. develop it. discipline is a skill anyone can build, not an innate quality you have to be born with to have.
My father was fit and slender for most of his life. He used to eat popcorn a lot. Back in 70s-80s, there was the concept of "free food," meaning that there are/were foods that you could eat all you want and never get fat. I said to him one day, "Popcorn must be one of those free foods, because you're not overweight, and you eat it all the time?" His reply was, "What do you think they fatten up the pigs with?" Corn is considered by some to be a goitrogen, which means (as I understand it) that it inhibits thyroid function. Along with unfermented soy, we're all getting a bit of "what they fatten up livestock with" in our processed foods, and this is not supposed to be a reversible process--it's meant to fatten up meat for market that pays the supplier by the pound. Permanently damaging the thyroid is what we're doing to ourselves. Unless you take a pig off soybean meal, put it on a treadmill, and it loses weight, I'm going to believe that this is the case, and now I actually think it's the traces/residue of glyphosate that are causing this problem, as RoundUp is supposedly an endocrine disruptor.
so is popcorn good or bad? Is it only good when its popped inside out? I understand what you are saying about corn because it's in everything. Even the household maple syrup that everybody believes it's real maple syrup is actually all corn syrup with added flavoring and coloring. In fact real maple syrup doesn't even taste like what every thinks maple syrup should taste like. We have all been sold a bill of goods and are continuing being sold the same bill of goods till this day. I mean just the maple syrup alone says it all, there's labels that actually say "no high fructose corn syrup" in big letters on the front but when you look at the ingredients it clearly still says corn syrup. Not one drop of maple in it at all.
So.. what’s the point in your post? Popcorn is bad but your dad was tough s.o.b.?
My French great grandma never had cornflakes, popcorn etc in her house. And we would ask can we have some cereal we don't want oatmeal. She would say "what do you think they fatten hogs with? Corn" and just look at us. Oatmeal it was haha. I think about that every time I see someone heavy buying cornflakes at the store and I wish they had a great grandma like mine.
I’ve always called corn “filler” for this reason 😂
I think that may be true for processed corn but beans corn and squash are often referred to as the 3 sisters and are part of the ancestral indigenous Mexican diet. Those people were not fat. They exercised regularly and didn’t eat processed or deep fried corn or turn it into a sugar concentrate…
Corn in and of itself is not bad. It is the way indigenous people got niacin in their diet. Modern processed corn and no exercise yeah that will make you fat quick.
Bill Maher doesn't understand food addiction / emotional eating... it's not the same as the munchies
I understand what Bill is saying about the munchies when smoking pot. When I get like that,I eat apples. Natural sugar...fruit or anything sweet like that. I have 'special food' that I eat ONLY when I have the munchies. I get u,Bill. lol.
Bill brags about smoking pot like a 15 year old would. He needs to grow up.
You need friends.
Me as well. I will fix a lovely salad with a side of almonds, pistachios, Brazil nuts, and cashews right before I "partake" of the sacred ganga. Then when the munchies hit its salad and nut time 🙂
Well aren't you swell!!
I don't get the munchies anymore and we have REALLY GREAT T level weed strains at our dispensary. So, it's really good, but for some reason, no more munchies, which I could use, because I am NOT an eater. Havent been since high school. Not an ED, just didn't feel like I need food. It's the best explanation I can come up with. There have been 3 times in my adult life where I got over my "set" weight of about 112. Each time I would get to around 130, become shocked at my size, and lose the weight again, for another several years. Anyway, i 6:29 n my older years, I'm comfortable at 110, but need to make sure I eat daily...the munchies are gone (and I'm sort of happy about that, but I do miss that "rush" from the enjoyment of the crap we munched on as kids (70's)...
I agree. Be self aware and take action before you get to the morbidly obese level. My body ‘lives’ at 160lbs. When I get a little lax and allow myself to get to even 165 I take immediate action to get myself back in line. Take personal responsibility!
How tall are you?
@@VMonee81 6 foot even.
I had gastric bypass in 2004. I went from 289 to 110 pounds and have maintained my weight loss for 19 years now. I am grateful for the surgery and a petite body . I can wear regular clothes and tie my own shoes. I would never go back.
Congratulations! ❤ It’s definitely not easy.
As did I .. had mine in 2021 went from 350lbs to 177lbs. If anyone is thinking about doing it. Remember it is a TOOL to help lose weight. One must still eat the proper foods and exercise.
Kind regards
I'm in the process of starting my program to have gastric sleeve. I'm 5'1 245. I got this way because I have PCOS and metabolic syndrome. I've tried it all. I am glad to hear your story of success.
Every time I watch Billy Corgan, the more I like him.
Billy is such a cool guy. Enjoy interviews with him.
That’s awesome that Billy is wearing a Zero sweatshirt
Not the Skate Brand. It's his own shirt he's been wearing for years. It's weird he does it when the company was created before he started making those shirts for Smashing Pumpkins
Love how they are smoking and talking about health
And drinking alcohol what a putz this Bill Maher is.
It's really great to see Rachel Maddow interviewing Billy Gorgan
We're raised to want to be lied to. Truth hurts, lies don't.
What is especially frustrating these days is that the outright denial of reality and focus on emotion is coming from both/all sides. It's not just battling creationism or religious ignorance, but people who may even be atheist or think they're on the side of science and reason are willingly embracing massive blind spots around several topics around biology. Being logical as it pertains to religion but denying obesity or thinking you can change your sex is like being critical of belief in ghosts while insisting leprechauns and unicorns exist.
Exactly! Do these so called rationalists not understand that these beliefs they are espousing border on the metaphysical, with no underpinning in material reality whatsoever?
Sex and gender are different sciences, lrn2science
@@NunYabiznass-hd6dj eugenics used to be considered science as well.
@@NunYabiznass-hd6djGender ideology is a social theory. Not Science.
@@henrylicious you guys just fall for anything don't you?
“gender ideology” is an invention of the right. It’s a hodgepodge of disparate ideas developed by a diverse group of thinkers over the past 50 years, linked mainly in the minds of its opponents. It doesn’t really exist beyond its creators’ manifestos and protest banners"
Overweight people develop leptin resistance, it makes them always feel hungry. Really just a chemical imbalance between ghrelin and leptin ( Both hormones )
100% and much of it is due to process food that is messing up the gut flora and hormones and designed to be addictive! Food manufacturers and FDA ( our government !) are the criminals that profiting for these poor obese individuals
This why we used to have almost no obesity and now we do?
What about insulin resistance? I know when I have a calorie deficit because I always get a headache. That makes it hard to stick to a diet, but it has nothing to do with hunger. My appetite is normal.
Highly Processed food is addictive by design. Once you wean yourself off of it and eat almost entirely simple real food the appetite and cravings returns to "normal". This was my experience after being food addicted for 20 years. My body was extraordinarily sick. I cleaned up my eating, lost 75 lbs and was able to go off of all RXs. It's 15 years later and I cannot recall what it was like to never feel full. When eating all that junk I was starving all of the time because there were no nutrients in it.
Saying this, I live in an area where fresh produce and healthy options are plentiful. Not everyone has easy access to healthy food. I know I'm lucky to be able to afford it too. I don't take that for granted.
Bill Maher ranting and raving, meanwhile Corgan clearly has compassion for these people
why do they deserve compassion. ? if u let yoursrlf get that fat entirely your fault.
Too much compassion caused this problem. The whole anti bullying movement caused millions of americans to think its good to be fat
im so glad billy (corgan) engaged in this topic
Billy Corgan is a class act.
I work in state disability processing disability claims. 1 out of 2 claims have obesity to morbidly obese as a diagnosis. Not all people that are labeled obese have terrible labs bc those are younger people but some young obese people have terrible labs. Drs. do tell people eat better, exercise but there is no support, no accountability. I also worked in a food bank in CO for a decade. We tried to offer and teach healthy foods but the stuff that comes through is terrible, highly processed, low to no fiber. There were many obese people and CO is typically known for low numbers of obesity.
Love you Bill but, the munchies analogy is way off. I’m a very fit person who struggles every day with “addiction” to food. If I gave in, I would be fat. If you had compared their love for food with your your love for pot, then you would have been more on the money. Go ahead, give up pot for a year and then only allow yourself pot once a week for the rest of your life after that. That’s more on par with what people who are “addicted” to food deal with to stay healthy. Here’s the other twist. You don’t need pot to live. Alcoholics don’t need alcohol to live. People who struggle with food issues need to eat so, they can’t just cut out what they are “addicted” to. I’m not making excuses. As I said, I really struggle with food issues but, I stay fit by constantly fighting my urges and exercising every day.
Billy Corgan's kind of grown up into an amazing human. He's so careful with his responses, weighing how to get Bill Maher to see the flaws of his own statements without causing a defensive response, all while not supporting what Maher is saying. It's a brilliant conversation.
Except that Bill Maher is 100% right in this situation.
@@hinkhall5291 not really. I've known plenty of people who go constantly, who eat moderately, and who are grossly overweight. My son, who is a much better human being than I will ever be, worked full time outside and hiked 2 or 3 hour hikes multiple times a week, and he still ballooned at 19yo. At that age, I never stopped eating, and I was a size 2. He had moved in with his dad to take the job, and my ex-husband put him on an extremely restrictive diet. He wasn't allowed to keep any unhealthy foods in the house even, and yes, my ex is just that controlling. When he moved out on his own, he owned a car, but walked to work every day, even in the winter... he's still heavily overweight. I'm terrified for him, because his genetics are going to fight against him his whole life. His brother is skinny.
Bill Maher is speaking ignorance based in hate and disgust. Anything he gets right is accidental.
@@DevineMissMerlinobesity cannot be managed via old diet models of restriction. An obese body is riddled with inflammation, imbalances, hormone issues. Focus on feeding someone plenty of freshly cooked, real food and work on those issues and thr weight comes off as a side effect. Been watching that happen with clients for decades.
@@madeleinegrayson8372 I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you... but all of your clients are able to afford you and real food. Immediately, they are not typical grossly overweight individuals. Besides any of that, the NIH published papers and reports indicating elderly people who are overweight have lower morbidity and senility rates than slender people. At a certain point, obesity is a health benefit.
It is OK to love yourself but it is down right wrong to glorify obesity. NO, they do NOT look great!
Nobody glorifies obesity. This is such a strawman argument. I used to be overweight and nobody "glorified" me.
@@nickbarcheck1019ou don’t think society could do more to encourage people to live a healthier life without being cruel to people who are overweight or morbidly obese. Maher may not articulate it perfectly, but is the message too far into “don’t judge people for their weight” and deliver zero message that people should do more to help themselves be healthier?
If people want to be fat that's their business. It's not healthy or good but that's their choice. People really need to start minding their business more. If somebody else wants to kill themselves that's their business.
@@nickbarcheck1019 Tess Holliday who is on the thumbnail is all about that & rubbing it into people's faces. There are Fans Only Stars that get paid to eat on camera & become even more obese. Lizzo has no desire to become thin. I think that you are a little off base there.
I dont care about Lizzo. If she wants to be fat let her. Who gives a fuck??
A very intelligent quote that I am carrying with me for my whole life learnt from my excellent science teacher :"I am not born to eat , I eat to live" ( sounds different in my native language). This days we don't say what we think because it is offensive ,so we choose to lie and not to say the truth and wake up people. Health is important .
The problem is that obese people already know what you're saying. They eat out of a sense of hopelessness and need. Knowing that food is for fuel, not emotional comfort changes nothing. They don't need an education. They need mental health assistance. Eat To Live is anything but
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Watch Billy’s face when asking if he’s ever watched my 600 lb life. Amazing
Read or listen to a podcast by Dr. Anna Lembke, of the book "Dopamine Nation"
Anna explains why we can't stop doing things like staring at screens all day or overeating.
My friends who were obese...ALL died early deaths...all heartbreaking
“Once I a while a building walks in the room” 😂😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀💀
I've never understood how a doctor can say "Hey, you need to lose 50 pounds and we'll do the gastric bypass surgery" and then the person comes back, after losing 50 pounds on their own, and it doesn't click that like, hey, I just lost 50 pounds without the surgery. I could probably lose another 50 pounds without the surgery... They've convinced themselves they need the surgery to lose weight, have demonstrated that isn't the case, and then go through with the surgery anyway! WTF people.
I think it’s in the beginning they are so big so just eating slightly less will result in some weight loss they have to over exert themselves to maintain 600lbs so maybe the weight loss surgery helps constant weight loss because their stomach is smaller they also plateau at a certain point even after weight loss surgery so I think they approve them to give them that little push plus from what I have gathered from Americans and American cultures they love the easy way out so it’s kinda easy shrinking your stomach with surgery then just being disciplined like everyone else and losing weight
That's dramatically over-simplified
We eat too much ! It has to be recognized ! It is one of the unhealthiest things to do ! Thanks for taking it on Bill.
I love when people can love and celebrate their bodies and feel good in their skin. However as an ICU nurse… obesity is a huge problem. Way more complications, way more health problems, and it can really affect your health so much more than people know. I had a patient so large that we couldn’t send her to the CT scan when she was going into shock because she wouldn’t fit. Could only go to THE ZOO to use their CT scan an hour away to find out if we can get an answer to why she so sick. That is a HUGE delay in getting a correct diagnosis. That’s just one example of how care gets delayed. If you get pregnant it’s harder to get a good epidural going for pain relief, and a cesarian is more complicated. If you are recovering from surgery you’re probably more likely going to get complications like pneumonia because getting people out of bed after major surgery is already tough sometimes with all the drains and monitors and IVs etc but when someone is very large it takes a team of people and we don’t always have the manpower to get you moving as much as someone who is thinner and easier to mobilize. More likely to get pressure sores in the ICU for this reason too. So hard to move someone’s position if they’re like 300Lbs and paralyzed on a ventilator.
I think having normal bodies is healthy for kids to see. I grew up with the anorexic looking models with hip and collar bones popping out and low rise pants. Made me feel like any weight was so ugly on me. Love the body positivity that popular media is starting to protray but show scars, breasts post breastfeeding, and cellulite and natural skin texture, and healthy but maybe not super toned people (you can be healthy and not sculpted) and dad bods. (I’d take a dad bod over a super chiseled guy any day of the week lol!)
Wow if sharing ct scan machine with an elephant doesn’t motivate you to eat healthy and loose weight then I don’t know what will lol
When I was at Auburn in the 90's, there was a guy on the football team that needed a CT scan, but could not fit into the one at the hospital. They sent him to the vet school, because they had a CT machine for horses.
Literally my favorite singer ever! Man is a legend
My friend works as a psychologist with people with eating disorders (binge eating disorders, mostly, so people who are obese due to over eating). It can be as hard to treat as restrictive eating (anorexia), and she insists that shame and hate towards their bodies makes recovery harder, not easier. I understand the view of "persuading people that fat is healthy is dangerous", but telling people that being fat is wrong and they must be ashamed of it isn't gonna make them lose weight. The movement was aimed to those who are already fat, and that "unconditional self acceptance" makes getting heathy easier, not harder. Sure, some people may use it as an excuse to not try, but those people were not gonna try regardless. It is also more like OCD than like the munchies...
Exactly! Was looking for this comment. Positivity about my body is what allowed me to do something good for myself like finally lose weight. 🙂 If self hatred motivates you, great, but that’s not the case for everyone.
@@nomadesseasmr9715 i am glad to hear you managed to lose weight! Most people can't take care of something they hate
As a former anorexic, it really is like OCD. I had so many routines around not eating, or making it look like I ate, or throwing up if I ate.
Excellent response
I’m pretty much the ONLY member of my family that is not morbidly obese. My nephew is 37 and 350 labs and just had a baby. I tell him “you know you’re not likely to see your kid get out of high school,” and he just shrugs and goes back to his junk food and Mountain Dew.
I'd rather die than raise children.
Its not just dying. It the loss in quality of life! Hygeine. Being able to go on an adevneture. Driving. I am at the biggest I have ever been (but that is because I am two.years clean from meth) and things like wiping my butt is harder.
But simply adding cardio, weights etc I am already seeing results. My next battle is junk food.
Dr. Now! Love that show. Only 5% of people that resort to bariatric surgery to lose weight will keep the weight off.
This is a tough subject, but I have to be honest. I come from an obese family. Purely from bad health habits, esp nutritional. I am one of the few who isn’t. My grandma a few years back had a stroke and it paralyzed the left side of her body. It was extremely hard because she was overweight & it put such a burden on her, as if losing function of an entire side of your body isn’t hard enough. She didn’t make it past 6 months. She gave up. It gave me insight to what my life could be if I didn’t take care of myself. She was an amazing woman but always put everyone above herself. Ultimately, she paid for it.
Billy Corban did a wonderful job speaking to this. Bill Mar needs some help truly understanding... He doesn't understand food addiction and has a very strong bias against overweight people.
Bill Maher is extra annoying in this interview. Billy Corgan was extremely patient with him.
Up until age 45 I maintained a 165-170. I stopped smoking and got to 185 before I said.. wtf.. just 15 pounds made me so uncomfortable I immediately cut out chips and chocolate. Now at 62 I am not slim.. but happy I got off the "so what" path. (And I do occasionally eat chips and chocolate) .
Holy shit, Maher actually sounded halfway intelligent when talking about the munchies! I am a stoner and I have stopped eating fried foods, chips, soda, white bread, etc. I buy ground turkey for my meat, marinade it with some teriyaki soy sauce, cook it, mix it with some rice, best meal EVER. It has all the fat and carbs that I need, tastes good, and really doesn't take that long to make
" a building walks into the room " lolol
Ironic that Bill bashes food addicts while he can’t seem to go five minutes without a drink or lighting up a joint
I know right what a jerk implying fat people are addicts. Pot calling kettle black. And adding weed is an addictive substance the same as alcohol. And food.
How about the people around them!? My family would say if you want something to eat, get out and get the food yourself! Because someone is bringing them food!!
It is crazy to me that some people will opt for major surgery instead of PUTTING THE FORK DOWN. I lost close to 100 lbs through hard work and changing my diet. I also suffer from bipolar disorder. So, it IS possible to take care of yourself properly, even with mental illness.
I'm naturally thin and greatly appreciative and thankful for this. But I can understand how people turn into dirigibles, especially here in Southeast Louisiana where we have the best food on Earth.
Billy Corgan looks like the love child of Bill Burr and Norm MacDonald.
When Americans say they are shocked at the portions - watch out!
Tell your body positive friends who are women they look just like Lizzo and watch them change their tune
The only way they wouldn't change their tune, is if they were rich because of it. Why lose the weight when you're praised for it as well as getting the bag (not just doritos) out of it.
Lizzo is the “new standard” - didn’t you hear 🙄😉
I don’t know what it’s like to have an extra 20 pounds on my slight frame, forget an extra 100…I’m 10 pounds heavier than I was as a senior in high school and it’s mostly muscle…and I’m 46 years old now…I weigh 140 standing 5’6”…..I’m a life long cyclist and I know that I have felt the difference, on the bike of 2-3 pounds of weight gain…and it’s usually a mixture of water and muscle as I’ve always been in the single digits of body fat percentage…finding motivation and energy when it’s not normally present isn’t simple or easy…and the emotional state of a bigger/overweight person is as crucial as their baseline health…”is what I’m working towards worth the effort?….am I still going to be displeased with myself and my body?….why should I bother?”
Sugar might as well be cocaine
Its odd that we automatically think body dysmorphia works one way..... imagine seeing flaws and being like YEAH...
I think Bill is neglecting the fact that smoking weed or cigarettes actually helps keep the weight off. These people are not potheads, they are food addicts. It's not the same as having the munchies
He doesn't understand food addiction but that's okay, not many people do. If he would use his platform to discuss SOLUTIONS besides"put down the fork" it would be helpful
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Seriously though, this is one of the most well balanced conversations I’ve heard on this
As a Canadian I get to pay for their hospital bills to keep them alive. Meanwhile, I eat healthy and workout and it makes it so I get less services from the government for my money...
Its worse in the states where on the one hand we have to directly pay for our insurance, and still have to absorb rising costs spread among all cohorts due to people with unhealthy lifestyles. My wife is a dual citizen (from Montreal) and her sister and mother still live there. They love the health care system in Canada and told me the stories about having to wait are bullshit and the care is much better than anything in the states. My SIL has a condo in Florida she goes to in the winter with her long-term BF, last time he was there he got COVID and had to be hospitalized. Worse treatments ever and was a miracle he survived. As soon as he could he flew home to Canada, got the much better healthcare, and was right as rain very quickly. Bottom line is you have NO IDEA how good you have it in Canada and I would relocate there in a second if my wife did not want to stay close to the adult kids. I absolutely hate what America has become, unless you are rich its just a shitty place to live IMO.
@@tedwojtasik8781 You sound really biased here. Canadians come to USA for advanced health care that they pay for in USA. Some poor or cheap Americans would go to Canada for the free health care and cheaper pills and still do I assume. Both of this has been true for a long time.
The majority of people who got COVID in USA were fine so how is your one example going to trigger you so much?
I watched several videos recently about the decline of Canada from a Canadian point of view.
Canada vs US housing costs
Look up that video where it is only Canadians talking and it is sad their country is that way.
Canada Is Dying | Full Movie
This video is shocking to see and sad both our countries share these types of problems.
@@logicaldebateUSA Which is a result of conservatives controlling Canadian policies for the past 20+ years. When a lib gets in they have to repair everything the conservatives broke, or rather, defunded such as healthcare. All of this is due to conservative policies, not liberal. Conservative is greed, pure and simple. At least the left usually errs on the side of helping the people a little bit.
My psyc professor explained that eating food is 300% more addictive than opioid addictions, releasing 300% more dopamine/ the pleasure release neurotransmitter. Ever known someone with an opioid addiction? It's important to love yourself no matter what your problem is. Love is the only cure.
Well said. Losing weight is an act of self love. It actually begins with love and positivity.
Despite all his rage, he's become comfortable in his old age.
Thank God we have these two icons of fitness and health telling everyone about body positivity.
LOL!!! That' awesome
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Yea I feel so enlightened now. 🤣
Anybody who isn't morbidly obese can explain how not to be morbidly obese.
Compared to the average American, these two look like fitness models
I take it we are supposed to have opinions on everything - and celebrities always the wisest human beings.
The problem with disordered eating is that food is a “drug” you can’t just give up and cut out of your life. You literally have to have it.
I struggle with disordered eating, so I have a certain amount of sympathy for strugglers. The body positivity of 2023 is just an excuse to give in.
I have body positivity and Im very overweight right now. But I got that way as a side effect (not FROM) of taking care of dying loved ones and bone spurs. For me, body positivity is not about saying oh im great and i should overeat, but its about saying yes i am not ashamed of my size because shame will keep me stuck at this weight. Im not ok at this weight but im not gonna be ashamed in the least- a bigger house usually means a higher mortgage- and for me shame would keep me unhealthy. I love myself enough to work on me as a project. I will love me now as much as I would later because losing weight wont make everything wonderful and that messes people up too. But im not waiting up to get good clothes either.
I am disabled with a wasting bone disease AND a hormone disorder. Still not obese. Onese people using medical conditions as an excuse like they are disabilities is also a problem.
Thank you for critically thinking. This is missing in 90% of the posts on this video
Lets be clear. Telling someone they are a fat pig and deserve to die is not going to make them lose weight either. Shame/trauma is often behind massive weight gain. Telling someone they look great when its a lie is also harmful but that doesnt mean they should be treated like a walking target. Overweight people just dont want to be constantly shamed and treated like lower class citizens by mean-spirited people. Is that too much to ask for? Thats not the same as them wanting to be lied to about how good they look or how healthy they are. Some obese people want to be lied to but thats not every overweight person's issue.Many just dont want to be harassed in their daily lives cuz, guess what, they will stress-eat as a result.
constantly overeating evenually turns on the apetite to the point where it is VERY difficult to dial back. NEVER overeat and move your body, burn some calories, and you should be good.
They can push "body positivity" all they want, and although there is a small population of men that like obese women, most do not. You can't make a man be attracted to fat women by telling him he should be.
Absolutely. Speaking as a man I trust fat women even less because it shows a lack of self-discipline. What else can they not stop themselves from doing?
So they should lose weight so men are attracted to them? Yuck. I’m pretty sure a person, no matter the gender should try to lose weight for health or to look better for themselves.
Women should lose weight for their men. Good luck finding the 2% of chubby chasers out there. Skinny and fit women rule! And smell better, and taste better…etc
@@goosergone143 said like a woman
@zerosoma33 There's way more chubby chasers in the world than 2%. You should go to a sex/swingers club. Different people like different stuff, dude.
I understand what Bill is saying and I agree!
We have to stop eating fast food so much. It's all high fat, sugar and salt.
"We?"
@@nickbarcheck1019 You!
Bill made a great point, know yourself and guard against your base needs. Eg If you know you are a impulse buyer cut your credit cards. So many things can be done: Get a small fridge, pay in real dollars, put your kitchen on the top floor, sell that microwave. Grow your own vegetables, that farming labor will do some good in helping lose weight. Instead , these days people just choose to come up with all sorts of psychological excuses for themselves when they were probably not even diagnosed by a real professional. There is always a rescue party for the victim isn't it. Well there will come a day when there are not enough rescuers. Time to show some tough love for these people.
You're speaking as a person with belief in your future and the will to improve. An obese person doesn't have these things. Giving them advice to guard against their base needs is 100% worthless. Do you honestly think they just don't know this? Try to understand why someone eats as an addiction
Bill Corgan had a reputable as being a pompous windbag. Seeing these two in the room together - Bill showed him a thing or two about what it takes to be the champ.
Thats exactly my approach to handling munchies, hilarious.
I agree that body positivity has gone a bit too far, but I think an argument could be made that women are hyper focused on for their weight. Regardless, the answer to that is obviously not to applaud morbid obesity. I mean people who aren’t just 10-20 pounds overweight, but 100-150. We all slip with our weight sometimes, and we can’t bully people into change. It’s important to have understanding. Just like with smoking or any addictive behavior, there’s no reason to be cruel, but we also don’t need to put it on a pedestal. Just my two cents.
Sup Billy! 😘
I am on a vacation right now.
I'll come back to ur Podcasts when I won't get "TRIGGERED" by common sense mixed with a little bit of narcissism! 😉
I used to be morbidly obese, ive lost over 100kg and am literally half the man i used to be. Of all the woke bullshit in the world the fat acceptance offends me personally the most, they would have stolen my will to change and acted like they did me a favour. My heart bleeds for these people, its a horrible place to find yourself and its very hard to escape. Its no different to telling a heroin addict that Heroin is just a life choice and its totally fine.
I agree it promotes irresponsibility with your body and a lax attitude toward reeling the weight gain back. We all put on a few pounds sometimes but it makes sense to reel in the indulgence before it gets out of hand and too much to deal with. Controlling portion size and fatty foods makes it easier to get to a more reasonable size in body
Cant eat all the things we want with abandon each day or week. I'm talking to you, Cheetos!
Good for you, Patrick. You should be proud of yourself. Its never too late to transform your life for the better.
It's not about body positivity or being obese. It's really comes down to just having basic respect for other people that are different from you. Why do you care if someone else is fat, or a drunk, or dyes their hair blue? None of it directly effects you. Spare me the rant about being a strain on the Healthcare system or your taxes. Someone else with a different ailment will come along to take their place in line.
Exactly. Someone else's weight is none of my business. I could never criticize anyone for I'm a VERY flawed human being. Let people live the best way they see fit for themselves.
I found the fat people.
Thats not the discussion
It's when you are promoting it like there's nothing wrong with it and denying that it's extremely unhealthy... Delusion
You're right. If Bill ever makes the effort to understand this issue, rather than just judgement and shame, he would be much easier to listen to. He won't stop talking about it anymore than he won't stop talking about staying single and not having any kids. He's not winning some sort of award for it, and most of us don't give a fuck whether he's single and childless. Seriously, not one fuck
It's a very, very complex issue, and these yahoos are not helping.
So childish of Bill Maher to think he knows what it’s like because he has the munchies.. Seriously, if it was that easy people wouldn’t be overweight. Addictions run very deep in the unconscious and the unconscious ultimately is running us. Of course applauding isn’t desirable but shame is one of the big fuels of addictive behavior. Compassion is the way, but Maher exists on polarity so.. that’s that
Maher is an asshole who has contempt for other people and it has shown for him since forever. Guy has zero empathy understanding or compassion for anyone
Beautifully said. 👏🏼
Bill rambling hoping Billy will join in LOL. Bill is so predicable.
Bill is no Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan asked questions and listens. News flash, food is addictive, that's why people can't stop. And scaring them about their health only makes them feel worse and eat more. And accepted is a way of being addicted to food, which they are anyway but being positive about it. That's actually a better place to start modifying diet from than the high-minded criticism from others.
THIS. 👏🏼
I used to be a nurse and i worked in a nursing home. We had a ton of 80 year old smokers but no 80 year old obese people.
Telling an obese person not to lose weight because they are healthy is like telling an alcoholic not to quite drinking because he is funny.
I don’t think you have blood on your hands, you have food on them
Oh my god, Bill is so ignorant. I totally agree obesity should not be enabled. He almost gets it for a second, when he says they're filling a hole in their heart with food... then he says something stupid like being stoned and having the munchies is what it feels like to be a food addict. The dude just does not understand addiction.
Eating a whole bag of nuts is incredibly caloric
Bill it's not like having the munchies, it's more like smoking itself. It's a compulsion.
Remember back in the 90s when there was this huge backlash against the "heroin chic" anorexic, rail-thin, size 0 look that the fashion industry was pushing, because it was an unhealthy eating disorder? Why was that okay to target, but not obesity because some feelings might get hurt? I've never seen so many huge people on TV advertisements than I do now, we're marketing to it, and saying it's all okay, you're beautiful. I've even seen a morbidly obese lady in a commercial singing joyfully about the remedy she has for her diabetes. None of this is good.
dude I get bullied all the time for being too thin, even happened in the 90s.