Here’s a non-shooting compliment: you have good camera presence and excellent verbal presentation skills. Most people (including myself) struggle with verbal clarity, often filling the pauses and white space between thoughts with “umms” and “uhhs” which can get distracting for the viewer. Nice shooting too👌🏼
Hey man, I have to say…as someone who has been a firearms instructor for over 20 years, former LEO + SWAT, your videos are solid. Your knowledge is extremely strong, and your teaching methods are excellent. Kudos, and keep the content coming!
Really appreciate the compliments! Just trying to create entertaining content that easy to watch and valuable for the viewer. Hoping to put out a lot more content just like this in 2023 so stay tuned!
For everyone curious, that Round is still putting more energy down at 700 then a 22lr mini mag is at the muzzle. So while unethical for game obviously, if your target isn't playing any games it will make them stop and well-placed would have good chances of hitting vital organs.
Great information here! While the 5.56 out of an SBR isn't ideal for long range engagements, a hit is still more effective than a miss of any caliber in my opinion.
So what would be an ethical/fatal range for - white tail hunt. You seem to have some knowledge without bias and I’d really want to know to see if it’s worth taking 223 to a distance.
@@geovannibonilla6305really depends on barrel length, I took a deer at 150ish with a 16 inch gun and 77gr razor core and it dropped it, didn’t run an inch. Look into when 5.56 stops having fragmentation / expansion and that’ll be your distance.
@@maxkuker1878 that’s all I needed to hear I was being told by people with more hunting experience that 70 yards is the limit. Seeing what you just said and knowing I could hear a clear audible feedback at 400 I think I’d be fine with the average california deer. Thank you.
This is my new favorite RUclips channel. Love your camera angles and you actually shooting setups that most people write off as unshootable at that range. Good work man. You gained a sub and a like.
Very much appreciated! Thank you for taking the time to watch! My opinion you never know until you try something and to me pushing the boundaries of what's normal is when things get fun haha
@@MountainsMulletsMerica heck yeah man. Love your set ups too. Great job using quality stuff such as Barrett, NF, and Wilcox as well. There’s only so many videos I can watch of a guy shooting an unbedded, non free floating remington 700 series rifle with a vortex diamondback saying “it’s just as good as a nightforce and an accuracy international” lol. Keep up the content, would love to shoot with you one day!
@@Bellicose0311 The challenge with running this gear is you're expected to be able to shoot relatively well...... sometimes that's easier said than done and when you have a bad day the only thing to blame is yourself hah
@@MountainsMulletsMerica haha exactly. Nothing wrong with that though. I have an accuracy international, and I have days where I’m shooting in calm lights out and I have days where it’s gusting out 40mph and I can’t hit anything lol
Watched this video 5 times now. Took my knights 11.5 out and attempted the same, out of pure frustration that I didn’t think to try first haha. Only had 600 meters. I am very jealous of you’re land to shoot on. Love the videos
Thank you for taking the time to watch! You have luck connected out at 600m? That's for sure pushing the limits on an 11.5" in my opinion, especially if you had to content with wind.
A weapon should fit the mission. Location and terrain are indeed mission factors. The overwhelming majority of combat rifle engagements since the rifle was invented have been between 0-300m. Where you live should be factored into your weapon configuration decision. If you live in a dense area (more trees or buildings than people) and typically can't see much past x distance, then that's your maximum engagement distance. An SBR with DMR ammo/optic (77gr + 2.5x10) is better than a 20 M16 with 55gr and irons. If you live in a dessert or mountainous region where you can see for miles, then a longer barrel will do. Regardless, you're allowed to have more than one rifle/upper. Buy/build various length uppers. Get a few optics with QD mounts to mix and match as you see fit. Then buy and hord 55gr for training, and 77gr for the zombies.
@@The10thManRules you’re absolutely correct. I live in the suburbs/ urban area and my go to is my 14.5 DDM4V7slw with an Aimpoint with a 3x magnifier. I wish I could stock pile the 77gr but it’s so expensive. I have a boatload or M193 though.
There is something to be said about a SPR that fits in a small backpack. I think we have come to the same basic conclusion. Over the past few months i took my 18x Mk5 off my 18", threw it on my 12.5, and found that i gave up so little in regards to performance that I decided 11.5-13.9" was pretty much all the barrel i am willing to give to 5.56 anymore. Yes, it is not as good at range, but the difference is so small that the advantages you get from the smaller lighter package far outweigh the losses imo. The large increase in optical quality of the traditional SPR, along with the soft shooting of the RLGS (MLGS 12.5 + A5 shoots basically the same), is where the magic is, not the small increase in velocity. From the 12.5 77smks @2530 are consistent to ~675, 18 @2750 gets you to ~775, with +~11% drift for the 12.5 at 500(~3in @ 8mph). Regardless of length, with the drop-off of 556 @ ~300y, you are entirely reliant on wind reading, spotting misses, and ability to make quick follow ups. The energy at those extended ranges is so low on either that it borders on irrelevant. 2 things though. I did find that a 2.5-10x(this part of the market needs better options) + 12o red dot, a more useable reticle on low power, and significant weight savings, was a more versatile fit. Also, there is some sacrifice made in the balance department, especially with a law folder, in that even with a bipod and suppressor the balance point is still slightly behind the front of the magwell. Not a huge deal, but not ideal for positional / tripod / offhand. 16"+ im going 6arc and back to the Mk5 where you regain that balance and have a massive BC advantage where that extra velocity is easier to justify. As much as i love my short AR10 .308s / 6.5s, that is a completely different animal for a different purpose and needs not be compared imo. That being said, still fun to watch 😁 The answer is still basically, take the longest barrel that you have no good reason not to take. Good vid. Good shootin.
100% agree with you anymore! I legit don’t see the point in a 5.56 AR with a barrel over about 12.5” anymore. If you want to take longer shots, there are much better options to use. Simply adding a couple more inches of barrel length will not get you drastic performance improvements. I actually had a 20” precision 5.56 upper years ago…. 800 yds was still about the max I would shoot it as it was impossible to spot misses and in most cases even harder to tell when you made an impact…..
Man I really enjoyed this video. From subject matter all the way to delivery. It hit me at the end, it had a bob Ross feel to it. Just so personable and happy video. Definitely subscribed.
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Stay tuned as this is the exact feel and format I plan to use in my videos moving forward. Hope you enjoy what I've got in the works!
Keep making videos man, enjoy your content. Especially as I’m getting ready to shift shooting focuses. Would like to see more on the LRFs, Clip on devices!
Awesome, thanks for taking the time to watch! I'm actually planning to head out tomorrow night to film a PVS27 vs PVS30 video! Should be able to get that launched in the next couple weeks if all goes to plan.
In regards to terminal performance: because bullets shed velocity faster at higher speeds, going to a shorter barrel doesn't lose you as much as one may think. Assuming 2750fps velocity from say an 18" barrel, per the AB ballistic calculator it only takes 96 meters for a 77 gr. TMK to slow down to the 2523fps of your 11.5". So the difference in "effective range" between the two barrels is barely 100 yards! The 77 TMK is quite slippery for a 5.56; long barrels would suffer from even greater diminishing returns with lighter, less aerodynamic bullets. Great practical demonstration! I was legit clapping when you got that first round hit at 790 haha
Yep, once you go SBR you never go back! A 10.3”-14.5” 556 AR is just about perfect if you ask me. If you need to shoot further than the capabilities of a shorter barrel 556 you probably need a bigger caliber anyway. Thanks for watching!
I mostly run 12.7” to 13.7” rifles and very happy with my results. Agree anything further and probably should go to a 308 caliber. Great video keep it up 👍
I have a 1-6X Kahles on one of my 11.5" guns, the others wear a 1-4X Steiner and a T2. Medium range (600-800 yds) is a fun exercise with an 11.5" gun, but kitting one out with higher end variable optics, WML, suppressor, etc. starts adding considerable weight. My 1-6X 11.5" does fine to 500, but I run out of gas and optic past that for consistent hits (I run 77 gr OTM also). With the 1-6X optic and WML that Carbine is a Pig, and at MY upper limits for a "shorty" 11.5" gun. Guess I look at it as; "different tools for different jobs" or "Jack of all trades, Master of none". If I kit out an 11.5" gun to be a consistent performer past 600 yds., that gun no longer has the capability of being an ass kicking CQB/"contact distance to 200 yds." weapon. It has lost maneuverability in tight quarters and speed on shot to shot, target to target. I prefer a DMR to be 16" minimum, to 18", and load it out to maximize that one task. Great vid though, I enjoyed it.
100% agree. While I was able to connect with the 11.5" rifle past 600 yds, it's not really the optimal setup for an SBR. I actually don't have an optic for this rifle at the moment but my plan for it will be getting either a 1-8 or 1-10 for it. For the type shooting I like to do these optics seem like they would be a nice combination of decent short range capability as well as enough magnification to stretch out to a couple hundred yards.
Very nice! Something like a red dot and magnifier is ideal on an sbr in my opinion. Perfect for CQB but a little magnification to help with the longer pokes. Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. SBRs are totally capable and have served as DMRs and "Mini-recce" rifles. The shame is that the most significant obstacle to rifles like yours getting their due is the NFA.
Well done man, your shooting is improving a lot! Just to share my $0.02 - 11.5 is a great length but there's a reason the 14.5 is the GI standard. 11.5 is great for high speed dudes but, 14.5 is the business. It's as close to a "CQB DMR" you can get. 🤣
Agreed! I like a 10.3” or 11.5” upper because they are so handy, especially with a can. The 14.5” though is just about the perfect all around setup and great for a general purpose or even dmr type role
Awesome channel. Good vibe to the videos and very interesting content. Nice change of pace from a lot of the more manic videos from other large shooting channels.
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch! My plan is to keep producing this style video but just keep making each one better than the last so stay tuned.
Thank you! Really appreciate the support. My goal with the channel is to create entertaining content that provides the viewer with some kind of value. Stay tuned, lots planned in 2023!
Keep on keeping on. This is definitely cool. I recently unsubscribed to most things on my RUclips and reluctantly subscribed to your channel. I just had to. Solid content. Thanks man.
Man really appreciate the support! Just trying to create entertaining content that provides viewers with some kind of value in each video. Stay tuned, I've got a lot planned for 2023 that I hope you enjoy!
I love it! My opinion, an LPVO is great on an sbr if you have the opportunity for some longer shots. It’s amazing what you can do with a short barrel when paired with the right ammo
@@bz9363 man that would be epic! He’s also in WA but I’m thinking over on the west side. I’ve been thinking I could do something with watermelons in the meantime
Thank you! Really appreciate your support of the channel! Just out here trying to create entertaining content that provides some kind of value to the viewer. Lots more in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned.
Something that may help you is to use a live video feed drone pointed at the target close enough to not accidentally be hit by the round obviously, it would likely, immediately notify of a hit.
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support! I’ve been super busy with work lately but I’ve got a lot of new content planned. Stay tuned as I’m really excited about what I should be able to get published this year!
Really appreciate the support! Lots of new content in the works so stay tuned. Just need to spend more time creating content and less time working haha
A 11.5" bbl will send the bullet well, well past 300 yards. So would a 10 or 12.5". Now, how much ass does the bullet have behind it once it gets there? That's where the short(er) barrels are going to start having issues. Shorter barrel = less velocity = poorer terminal effect, larger holds/dials, and more wind drift. I have a 14.5 sr15 and after a lot of different ar15 builds on 5.56, I will never go shorter than a pinned and welded 16", so something right at about 13.7 - 13.9. I just think 5.56 is not the right answer if you want to go short. I'll stick to 300BO, suppress it, and shoot it only sometimes due to the cost. Hope you do more videos on the sr15!
Oh man…. So true, the 5.56 is lacking energy at distance out of the 11.5”. If I didn’t have the hit indicator light I wouldn’t have known I was making hits at 686 and 790. That’s the drawback to this package for sure!
That’s such beautiful land to shoot on! Do you mind me asking what state and area this is. I’m looking for good land to buy for a second home. I leave down in Florida and love it, but I’m from Colorado so I miss the mountains and wide open spaces of the country. I guess you could say I’m a hermit at heart.
Thank you! I’m located in eastern WA state. As you can see, this part of the state is wide open rolling wheat fields which are perfect for long range shooting. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and reach out!
Building a urban main squeeze rifle and settled on a 11.5 build. With a 2.26 riser with 3x magnifier… plan on running strictly 62gr FMJ & M855 do you think the 62gr would do as good out to 400-500 yards if need be. realistically I think the furthest I’d ever engage if needed would be 350yards maybe 400.
When you said 2500 plus velocity, I was already very impressed, but if you truly get 8/10, regularly, at 686 yards with it, then I'm even more impressed.
To be fair I’m not exactly regularly shooting my 5.56 SBRs past 300 yds, really just did it in this video to show what’s possible. That said shooting conditions will play a major role in how 5.56 performs at distance. If conditions are nice, I’d fully expect an 11.5” 5.56 rifle running something like 77gr ammo to be able to connect on a full size torso at 600ish yds with consistency. Optics are a big part of shooting to distance as well. What kind of optic are you running on your rifle?
Great video! you should shoot 10 more rounds every time you have the first 2 impacts in a row. Just to see how consistent you could get it after figuring out perfect hold.
Here's another...You're channel is the opposite of Demolition Ranch, from my perspective that's a very good thing. I quit watching that grabassery quite awhile back. Very high quality-- shooter, equipment, location and delivery. Be patient, were sharing... they will come
Really appreciate the support! My channel has already seen a ton of growth in a very short amount of time and I'm really thankful for that. Right now my plan is to keep putting out solid content that's entertaining but also might help others improve their long range shooting abilities. That said though, I love channels like demolition ranch for the pure entertainment factor, I've been a fan on his for years. Once again, thank you for watching!
Very interesting. The big complaint of the M4 during Afghanistan was that it was underpowered and not accurate enough to hit anything past 300 meters. Hence they brought back upgraded M14s and other 308 based rifles.
First off GREAT JOB! Great video and I hope you keep them coming. I must be honest though your title is incorrect/misleading. You are running a SUPPRESSED SR15 and that matters brother. Other then that great job!
Thanks for watching! I don’t have an LPR at the moment but I am planning to do the same thing with an SR25 ECC. Hoping to have that video out in the next week or 2!
Asked this question under a different account. Not sure why there are more than one but curious as to what ballistics app you use. Thanks as always for producing great informational videos. This is the 3rd or 4th time I have watched this one.
Yeah not sure how you ended up with 2 accounts but I see both questions from you. That said, I'm running the "shooter" app. I've ran this app for years and best I can recall it costs something like $10 from the app store. It's provided me with great data so I've never felt the need to try out any other ballistic apps.
Not sure how I ended up with different accounts either. Maybe Google creates more accounts for you. When I ask questions or post a compliment on a channel there are 3 different channels. The original one that I have had forever is @ranchofiascomike. I'm trying to figure out how to delete the other ones. Thanks for the feedback
Side note, it's kind of funny watching you shoot, when you miss I'd guarantee it's a weird charge from the factory. One of those ones that throws a bad SD number. Like everything around 2520 or whatever and then one little puff short of 2400 or something
Interesting stuff here. End of the video talking about 300 PRC vs 338 Lapua. Have a friend into ELR and he told me that a 7mm REM Mag has 6’ less drop at 1,000 yards than the 338 Lapua
Well crap. I was completely content with my 20inch Colt A4 build. Now this has got me thinking of going back to something smaller. I just love the recoil impulse and the ability to turn practice ammo into duty ammo with a 20inch lol
Oh man, 20” 556 rifles will always have a place. Primarily for turning practice ammo into duty ammo as you mention due to the awesome velocity. That said, if your goal is just making hits at distance I think you’d be really surprised at what shorter barrels can accomplish with the right ammo. The longest 556 ar I own is 14.5”. Sold my longer barrel rigs years ago and haven’t looked back since. Thanks for watching!
It would be very interesting to see this tested again with some higher BC bullets than the Sierra matchking, for example the tipped matchking, the Nosler RDF, the 75 grain Hornady ELD-M, and something from Berger maybe the 80 grain VLD… IF it can be loaded within magazine length….?
Do you have a good idea on velocity out of the 11.5" SR15 using FMJ 55gr ammo? Would love your ballpark number! Thank you. Love the channel. Subscribing now!
Another great one man. It seems like the brass was ejected a bit forward. My 16” does that. I’m thinking mine is overgassed. Pretty snappy recoil too. What do you think? Really like your work.
Yeah typically folks say if the brass is going forward they are overgassed. Can’t say that’s something that ever bothered me though…. So long as the rifle cycles I don’t care where the brass goes haha
I'm just a new channel starting out but I've already experienced a ton of growth. I suspect it's only a matter of time before my videos start getting more views. That said, really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!
Yes this is the 1.54” mount but the scope is the atacr 4-16, not the nx8. I actually own 2 of these scopes and I’m a big fan of them. The size and weight is perfect for a dmr type rifle and the glass is very nice. Also helps that you can pick them up on the used market for a solid price compared to new. If you’re in the market for one you won’t be disappointed!
Man thank you so much for your response brother!!! I’m currently building a 16” spr rifle and I’m torn In a 1.54 or a 1.70 height because I like an upright head position but I’m not sure for mid to long range shooting.
Great video. I have an mk12 for longer range and a 7" 300 blackout pdw for home defense/cqb. I wanted something in the middle for 25 to 250 yards and cant decide between an 11.5 upper to put on my sbr lower or a whole new 14.5 any thoughts? Thanks.
These are wheat fields so they don't really get mowed like a lawn. They produce a wheat crop every couple of years but otherwise require very little maintenance. Perfect area for long range shooting!
Hi Is this bipod the Magpul MAG933? And the second question is whether the Kac SR15 11.5 inch rifle will be good for hunting foxes up to 500 meters? Since there was no 14.5 inch length at the dealer, I bought 11.5 inches and I have doubts if I did the right thing. Sorry for my English
This is the magpul MAG941 bipod. An 11.5" wouldn't be my first choice for hunting foxes out to 500 meters. While I believe it's capable of making hits, I believe it sacrifices the speed an energy needed to have the terminal bullet performance to put an animal down reliably.
@@marcinn9043 leave the foxes be…shoot a commie instead haha jk…500 yds with 556 out of 11.5” isn’t very humane in my opinion, but others may disagree.
I apologize if you mention this in the video but i dont got the time to watch the full thing right now because im at work. But my question is what is the effective range of a 11.5" AR? Like how far out will it still make a lethal shot if absolutely need be. Because im sure it can be stretched really far if its a good shooter behind it. But does it still have the power needed at those longer ranges?
Oh man that is a great question and not something I covered in the video. I’m hoping to be able to do some long distance shooting into ballistics gel at some point to get an idea of how bullets behave at distance but haven’t been able to pull that off yet. Given the reduced velocity of the 11.5” barrel I would only feel confident in its lethality out to a couple hundred yards at best, certainly the short barrel is best suited to a cqb type role but as shown in this video it is capable of accurately putting rounds on target at longer distances if needed. Thanks for watching!
Lethal to what? As to a 2 legged threat if they are that far out then it is not self-defense. If it is a 4 legged threat then wtf would you use a 5.56 round? I love the idea of seeing how far you can stretch out the distance w/ 5.56, but your query is problematic.
Hi again, I bought a Schmidt and Bender PMII dual CC 1-8 x 24 rifle scope for my new SR15 cqb, I used the Spuhr SP3022 mount, please tell me is it a good choice? The reticle is the MDR T6. Maybe I should choose the NF ATACR ™ 1-8x24 F1 ? Thanks
Can't say I have personal experience with the SB 1-8 but I do with the NF ATACR 1-8 equipped with the older style reticle. Can't say I'd sell the SB 1-8 just to swap tot he NF ATACR 1-8. That SB 1-8 is a great optic! I'd just spend time training with it and learning to use it vs potentially swapping to the ATACR 1-8 if it were me.
I love trolling these comments on 11.5 rifles, most ppl who are commenting that you don't have terminal ballistics, but neither do they, lol. The 5.56 looses lethality at 400 yds anyway, 350 yds if it's a 16' barrel. Ever wonder why special forces run sbr's? It's not about that one shot kill Hollywood makes ppl believe they need. It's accuracy and speed that keep you alive and a lighter weapon gives you just that. Once you poke a hole in your target, their focus is no longer on trying to kill you, but to plug that new hole up they got that bloods coming out of. That buys you time to either evade or set up a better tactical advantage and re-engage. In a SHTF situation they're probably not going to have access to medical and will have to rely on why they have in the field for survival. They teach you in SF training that injury prevention keeps you alive! Any injury in the field drastically drops your survival rate and slows the team down. So unless you're pulling overwatch providing long range capabilities for a team, a sbr will do all you need as far as staying a live in a worse case scenario. Long live the SBR 💪
Here’s a non-shooting compliment: you have good camera presence and excellent verbal presentation skills. Most people (including myself) struggle with verbal clarity, often filling the pauses and white space between thoughts with “umms” and “uhhs” which can get distracting for the viewer. Nice shooting too👌🏼
Thank you, I appreciate the compliment!
Very good topic for a video
Thank you for stating that. This channel checks most boxes for being comparable to a professional sporting show that would be found on TV.
@@LTTUSAhonestly yeah. It's more beneficial than people think to be well spoken and articulate, it helps to understand and to be understood.
Hey man, I have to say…as someone who has been a firearms instructor for over 20 years, former LEO + SWAT, your videos are solid. Your knowledge is extremely strong, and your teaching methods are excellent. Kudos, and keep the content coming!
Really appreciate the compliments! Just trying to create entertaining content that easy to watch and valuable for the viewer. Hoping to put out a lot more content just like this in 2023 so stay tuned!
For everyone curious, that Round is still putting more energy down at 700 then a 22lr mini mag is at the muzzle. So while unethical for game obviously, if your target isn't playing any games it will make them stop and well-placed would have good chances of hitting vital organs.
Great information here! While the 5.56 out of an SBR isn't ideal for long range engagements, a hit is still more effective than a miss of any caliber in my opinion.
@@TheRepublicHasBeenLost the fact you don't know, you can easily look this up on the myriad of ballistic charts is kinda sad.
So what would be an ethical/fatal range for - white tail hunt. You seem to have some knowledge without bias and I’d really want to know to see if it’s worth taking 223 to a distance.
@@geovannibonilla6305really depends on barrel length, I took a deer at 150ish with a 16 inch gun and 77gr razor core and it dropped it, didn’t run an inch. Look into when 5.56 stops having fragmentation / expansion and that’ll be your distance.
@@maxkuker1878 that’s all I needed to hear I was being told by people with more hunting experience that 70 yards is the limit. Seeing what you just said and knowing I could hear a clear audible feedback at 400 I think I’d be fine with the average california deer. Thank you.
This is my new favorite RUclips channel. Love your camera angles and you actually shooting setups that most people write off as unshootable at that range. Good work man. You gained a sub and a like.
Very much appreciated! Thank you for taking the time to watch! My opinion you never know until you try something and to me pushing the boundaries of what's normal is when things get fun haha
@@MountainsMulletsMerica heck yeah man. Love your set ups too. Great job using quality stuff such as Barrett, NF, and Wilcox as well. There’s only so many videos I can watch of a guy shooting an unbedded, non free floating remington 700 series rifle with a vortex diamondback saying “it’s just as good as a nightforce and an accuracy international” lol. Keep up the content, would love to shoot with you one day!
@@Bellicose0311 The challenge with running this gear is you're expected to be able to shoot relatively well...... sometimes that's easier said than done and when you have a bad day the only thing to blame is yourself hah
@@MountainsMulletsMerica haha exactly. Nothing wrong with that though. I have an accuracy international, and I have days where I’m shooting in calm lights out and I have days where it’s gusting out 40mph and I can’t hit anything lol
Ditto
Watched this video 5 times now. Took my knights 11.5 out and attempted the same, out of pure frustration that I didn’t think to try first haha. Only had 600 meters. I am very jealous of you’re land to shoot on. Love the videos
Thank you for taking the time to watch! You have luck connected out at 600m? That's for sure pushing the limits on an 11.5" in my opinion, especially if you had to content with wind.
Some cool stuff, down to earth, concise, clear commentary and straight into the action. This is some good stuff! Thank you sir for the video!
Thanks for watching! Stay tuned for more!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica Oh I will, love the landscape, the scenery. So much different from where I live. Only flatlands where I'm at, and beach.
One thing I learned early in my career is that it's the Gunman, not the gun. You just proved that point, ty.
Was thinking about moving from my 11.5” CQB to a 14.5” for my SHTF rifle. This video has me questioning that. Great video thanks
A weapon should fit the mission. Location and terrain are indeed mission factors.
The overwhelming majority of combat rifle engagements since the rifle was invented have been between 0-300m.
Where you live should be factored into your weapon configuration decision.
If you live in a dense area (more trees or buildings than people) and typically can't see much past x distance, then that's your maximum engagement distance.
An SBR with DMR ammo/optic (77gr + 2.5x10) is better than a 20 M16 with 55gr and irons.
If you live in a dessert or mountainous region where you can see for miles, then a longer barrel will do.
Regardless, you're allowed to have more than one rifle/upper. Buy/build various length uppers. Get a few optics with QD mounts to mix and match as you see fit.
Then buy and hord 55gr for training, and 77gr for the zombies.
I’ll switch to the 14.5
@@The10thManRules you’re absolutely correct. I live in the suburbs/ urban area and my go to is my 14.5 DDM4V7slw with an Aimpoint with a 3x magnifier. I wish I could stock pile the 77gr but it’s so expensive. I have a boatload or M193 though.
@@tajituck888 check out AAC from PSA, their 77gr is very reasonable
There is something to be said about a SPR that fits in a small backpack.
I think we have come to the same basic conclusion. Over the past few months i took my 18x Mk5 off my 18", threw it on my 12.5, and found that i gave up so little in regards to performance that I decided 11.5-13.9" was pretty much all the barrel i am willing to give to 5.56 anymore. Yes, it is not as good at range, but the difference is so small that the advantages you get from the smaller lighter package far outweigh the losses imo. The large increase in optical quality of the traditional SPR, along with the soft shooting of the RLGS (MLGS 12.5 + A5 shoots basically the same), is where the magic is, not the small increase in velocity. From the 12.5 77smks @2530 are consistent to ~675, 18 @2750 gets you to ~775, with +~11% drift for the 12.5 at 500(~3in @ 8mph). Regardless of length, with the drop-off of 556 @ ~300y, you are entirely reliant on wind reading, spotting misses, and ability to make quick follow ups. The energy at those extended ranges is so low on either that it borders on irrelevant.
2 things though. I did find that a 2.5-10x(this part of the market needs better options) + 12o red dot, a more useable reticle on low power, and significant weight savings, was a more versatile fit. Also, there is some sacrifice made in the balance department, especially with a law folder, in that even with a bipod and suppressor the balance point is still slightly behind the front of the magwell. Not a huge deal, but not ideal for positional / tripod / offhand.
16"+ im going 6arc and back to the Mk5 where you regain that balance and have a massive BC advantage where that extra velocity is easier to justify.
As much as i love my short AR10 .308s / 6.5s, that is a completely different animal for a different purpose and needs not be compared imo. That being said, still fun to watch 😁
The answer is still basically, take the longest barrel that you have no good reason not to take.
Good vid. Good shootin.
100% agree with you anymore! I legit don’t see the point in a 5.56 AR with a barrel over about 12.5” anymore. If you want to take longer shots, there are much better options to use. Simply adding a couple more inches of barrel length will not get you drastic performance improvements. I actually had a 20” precision 5.56 upper years ago…. 800 yds was still about the max I would shoot it as it was impossible to spot misses and in most cases even harder to tell when you made an impact…..
Wow! Great reading men!!! Very interesting facts to consider here… Cheers!
Man I really enjoyed this video. From subject matter all the way to delivery. It hit me at the end, it had a bob Ross feel to it. Just so personable and happy video. Definitely subscribed.
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Stay tuned as this is the exact feel and format I plan to use in my videos moving forward. Hope you enjoy what I've got in the works!
Great video. You're a magnificent shooter.
As always a most excellent, detailed and fun presentation. Thank you for taking the time. Stay safe and enjoy every moment. We love this stuff.
Really appreciate it! I plan to keep dropping new content as time permits.
Keep making videos man, enjoy your content. Especially as I’m getting ready to shift shooting focuses.
Would like to see more on the LRFs, Clip on devices!
Awesome, thanks for taking the time to watch! I'm actually planning to head out tomorrow night to film a PVS27 vs PVS30 video! Should be able to get that launched in the next couple weeks if all goes to plan.
In regards to terminal performance: because bullets shed velocity faster at higher speeds, going to a shorter barrel doesn't lose you as much as one may think. Assuming 2750fps velocity from say an 18" barrel, per the AB ballistic calculator it only takes 96 meters for a 77 gr. TMK to slow down to the 2523fps of your 11.5". So the difference in "effective range" between the two barrels is barely 100 yards!
The 77 TMK is quite slippery for a 5.56; long barrels would suffer from even greater diminishing returns with lighter, less aerodynamic bullets.
Great practical demonstration! I was legit clapping when you got that first round hit at 790 haha
makes me love my KAC's even more.
Good shooting dude,
I always enjoy your videos !
Keep up the good work
This is why I love my SBR. I haven't tried pushing it out this far, but 200 yards is all I think I would ever need with it.
Yep, once you go SBR you never go back! A 10.3”-14.5” 556 AR is just about perfect if you ask me. If you need to shoot further than the capabilities of a shorter barrel 556 you probably need a bigger caliber anyway. Thanks for watching!
I mostly run 12.7” to 13.7” rifles and very happy with my results. Agree anything further and probably should go to a 308 caliber. Great video keep it up 👍
I have a 1-6X Kahles on one of my 11.5" guns, the others wear a 1-4X Steiner and a T2.
Medium range (600-800 yds) is a fun exercise with an 11.5" gun, but kitting one out with higher end variable optics, WML, suppressor, etc. starts adding considerable weight.
My 1-6X 11.5" does fine to 500, but I run out of gas and optic past that for consistent hits (I run 77 gr OTM also).
With the 1-6X optic and WML that Carbine is a Pig, and at MY upper limits for a "shorty" 11.5" gun.
Guess I look at it as; "different tools for different jobs" or "Jack of all trades, Master of none".
If I kit out an 11.5" gun to be a consistent performer past 600 yds., that gun no longer has the capability of being an ass kicking CQB/"contact distance to 200 yds." weapon. It has lost maneuverability in tight quarters and speed on shot to shot, target to target.
I prefer a DMR to be 16" minimum, to 18", and load it out to maximize that one task.
Great vid though, I enjoyed it.
100% agree. While I was able to connect with the 11.5" rifle past 600 yds, it's not really the optimal setup for an SBR. I actually don't have an optic for this rifle at the moment but my plan for it will be getting either a 1-8 or 1-10 for it. For the type shooting I like to do these optics seem like they would be a nice combination of decent short range capability as well as enough magnification to stretch out to a couple hundred yards.
Impressive shooting dude, just finished an 11.5 build myself with a 3x magnifier.
Very nice! Something like a red dot and magnifier is ideal on an sbr in my opinion. Perfect for CQB but a little magnification to help with the longer pokes. Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. SBRs are totally capable and have served as DMRs and "Mini-recce" rifles. The shame is that the most significant obstacle to rifles like yours getting their due is the NFA.
Great point! I didn’t even think to talk about the NFA process being a barrier to ownership.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica It certainly is...I hate having pistols.
Exactly the optic is a very important component in this package
100% if you can’t see it, you can’t shoot it!
Amazing shooting man. Love the content.
Thank you! Really appreciate the support!
Well done man, your shooting is improving a lot! Just to share my $0.02 - 11.5 is a great length but there's a reason the 14.5 is the GI standard.
11.5 is great for high speed dudes but, 14.5 is the business. It's as close to a "CQB DMR" you can get. 🤣
Agreed! I like a 10.3” or 11.5” upper because they are so handy, especially with a can. The 14.5” though is just about the perfect all around setup and great for a general purpose or even dmr type role
Dude your channel is dope. I just stumbled upon it and I’m loving what I see.
Awesome channel. Good vibe to the videos and very interesting content. Nice change of pace from a lot of the more manic videos from other large shooting channels.
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch! My plan is to keep producing this style video but just keep making each one better than the last so stay tuned.
Your recent 2 vids got me to subscribe. Relevant topics presented in a practical manner.
Thank you! Really appreciate the support. My goal with the channel is to create entertaining content that provides the viewer with some kind of value. Stay tuned, lots planned in 2023!
This is the exact video I was looking for. Thanks man great job. Great shooting.
Awesome! Hope you found some value in watching!
It was the exact information I was looking for.
Keep on keeping on. This is definitely cool. I recently unsubscribed to most things on my RUclips and reluctantly subscribed to your channel. I just had to. Solid content. Thanks man.
Man really appreciate the support! Just trying to create entertaining content that provides viewers with some kind of value in each video. Stay tuned, I've got a lot planned for 2023 that I hope you enjoy!
I now forward this video to my buddies that call me ridiculous for putting a 1-8 ATACR on my knights 11.5
I love it! My opinion, an LPVO is great on an sbr if you have the opportunity for some longer shots. It’s amazing what you can do with a short barrel when paired with the right ammo
Hard to be unique in the youtube gun video world. Nice job. I really enjoy your work.
Appreciate it! I think I’ve found a niche for the channel and so far it’s been well received. Stay tuned, lots of content planned in 2023!
Would love to see a video testing gelatin with distances like this.
Oh man, I'd love to be able to do something like that..... my guess is even the bullet would be just poking holes past a couple hundred yards.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica call garand thumb and tell him to come over with some torsos
@@bz9363 man that would be epic! He’s also in WA but I’m thinking over on the west side. I’ve been thinking I could do something with watermelons in the meantime
You have great content dude, Im glad youre having a good time and getting it done.
Thank you! Really appreciate your support of the channel! Just out here trying to create entertaining content that provides some kind of value to the viewer. Lots more in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned.
Would be interested to know what ballistics app you find most useful.
Thanks again for all the great videos
I never knew that Ron Howard was a firearms enthusiast. Nice AR.
Haha it's wild how many folks think I look like Ron Howard. Appreciate you taking the time to watch!
I shot a 556 bolt action yesterday, and the recoil difference is amazing to this ar
Great video and even better shooting!
Something that may help you is to use a live video feed drone pointed at the target close enough to not accidentally be hit by the round obviously, it would likely, immediately notify of a hit.
Just subscribed. Great channel, great channel, great work, and great effort being poured in to making this content awesome.
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support! I’ve been super busy with work lately but I’ve got a lot of new content planned. Stay tuned as I’m really excited about what I should be able to get published this year!
Love the vibe’s bro keep it up definitely gives fulfilling
Really appreciate the support! Lots of new content in the works so stay tuned. Just need to spend more time creating content and less time working haha
Just found your channel. Glad I did. Great video!!!
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel!
A 11.5" bbl will send the bullet well, well past 300 yards. So would a 10 or 12.5". Now, how much ass does the bullet have behind it once it gets there? That's where the short(er) barrels are going to start having issues. Shorter barrel = less velocity = poorer terminal effect, larger holds/dials, and more wind drift. I have a 14.5 sr15 and after a lot of different ar15 builds on 5.56, I will never go shorter than a pinned and welded 16", so something right at about 13.7 - 13.9. I just think 5.56 is not the right answer if you want to go short. I'll stick to 300BO, suppress it, and shoot it only sometimes due to the cost. Hope you do more videos on the sr15!
Oh man…. So true, the 5.56 is lacking energy at distance out of the 11.5”. If I didn’t have the hit indicator light I wouldn’t have known I was making hits at 686 and 790. That’s the drawback to this package for sure!
I'd go with 6.5 grendel.
That’s such beautiful land to shoot on! Do you mind me asking what state and area this is.
I’m looking for good land to buy for a second home. I leave down in Florida and love it, but I’m from Colorado so I miss the mountains and wide open spaces of the country. I guess you could say I’m a hermit at heart.
Thank you! I’m located in eastern WA state. As you can see, this part of the state is wide open rolling wheat fields which are perfect for long range shooting. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and reach out!
I'm here from arf. Good stuff.
Appreciate you taking the time to check out the video!
As usual, outstanding shooting man.
Excellent video.
Tremendous shooting/video/content overall. New follower
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel!
Building a urban main squeeze rifle and settled on a 11.5 build. With a 2.26 riser with 3x magnifier… plan on running strictly 62gr FMJ & M855 do you think the 62gr would do as good out to 400-500 yards if need be. realistically I think the furthest I’d ever engage if needed would be 350yards maybe 400.
Most excellent shooting!
Thank you! A little skill and a lot of luck go a long ways haha
When you said 2500 plus velocity, I was already very impressed, but if you truly get 8/10, regularly, at 686 yards with it, then I'm even more impressed.
I dont even get this performance out of my 18in AR in 5.56. Mine is cheap tho.
To be fair I’m not exactly regularly shooting my 5.56 SBRs past 300 yds, really just did it in this video to show what’s possible. That said shooting conditions will play a major role in how 5.56 performs at distance. If conditions are nice, I’d fully expect an 11.5” 5.56 rifle running something like 77gr ammo to be able to connect on a full size torso at 600ish yds with consistency. Optics are a big part of shooting to distance as well. What kind of optic are you running on your rifle?
@Mountains, Mullets, Merica! yeah there's definitely a lot that goes into connecting at long range. I'm learning new stuff all the time.
Awesome video...
You make it look so easy.
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Appreciate the continued support! Tell you what…. A bit of luck goes a long ways on camera haha
@@MountainsMulletsMerica
I hear Dat ;-)
Great video! you should shoot 10 more rounds every time you have the first 2 impacts in a row. Just to see how consistent you could get it after figuring out perfect hold.
Here's another...You're channel is the opposite of Demolition Ranch, from my perspective that's a very good thing. I quit watching that grabassery quite awhile back.
Very high quality-- shooter, equipment, location and delivery.
Be patient, were sharing... they will come
Really appreciate the support! My channel has already seen a ton of growth in a very short amount of time and I'm really thankful for that. Right now my plan is to keep putting out solid content that's entertaining but also might help others improve their long range shooting abilities. That said though, I love channels like demolition ranch for the pure entertainment factor, I've been a fan on his for years. Once again, thank you for watching!
Great video as always!
Thank you! This is one of the first videos that got some momentum going for the channel.
You’re my hero
That 11.5 is my favorite now
Same here, very handy package with plenty of capability!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica This is good news, looking to use a rail I bought and 11.5 was what i was looking into.
@@ReticentIndignation You cannot go wrong with an 11.5" barrel!
Very interesting. The big complaint of the M4 during Afghanistan was that it was underpowered and not accurate enough to hit anything past 300 meters. Hence they brought back upgraded M14s and other 308 based rifles.
Cool vid & gun! Keep it up!!
Sr 15 Best ar rifle
First off GREAT JOB! Great video and I hope you keep them coming. I must be honest though your title is incorrect/misleading. You are running a SUPPRESSED SR15 and that matters brother. Other then that great job!
Excellent video and shooting. Subbed.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and subscribe! Lots of cool things planned so stay tuned!
Saludos bro 🇲🇽
Amazing my dude
Awesome video
Nice! Excellent shooting!
Thank you for taking the time to watch!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica
My pleasure! Again, great shooting!
Great shooting! Would love to see a video if you have KAC LPR
Thanks for watching! I don’t have an LPR at the moment but I am planning to do the same thing with an SR25 ECC. Hoping to have that video out in the next week or 2!
Asked this question under a different account. Not sure why there are more than one but curious as to what ballistics app you use. Thanks as always for producing great informational videos. This is the 3rd or 4th time I have watched this one.
Yeah not sure how you ended up with 2 accounts but I see both questions from you. That said, I'm running the "shooter" app. I've ran this app for years and best I can recall it costs something like $10 from the app store. It's provided me with great data so I've never felt the need to try out any other ballistic apps.
Not sure how I ended up with different accounts either. Maybe Google creates more accounts for you. When I ask questions or post a compliment on a channel there are 3 different channels. The original one that I have had forever is @ranchofiascomike. I'm trying to figure out how to delete the other ones.
Thanks for the feedback
Is the Shooter app the one by Kennedy Development where the app looks like a target?
Great Content!
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Hoping to start creating lots of content like this.
Side note, it's kind of funny watching you shoot, when you miss I'd guarantee it's a weird charge from the factory. One of those ones that throws a bad SD number. Like everything around 2520 or whatever and then one little puff short of 2400 or something
Great information.
Thank you!
Interesting stuff here. End of the video talking about 300 PRC vs 338 Lapua. Have a friend into ELR and he told me that a 7mm REM Mag has 6’ less drop at 1,000 yards than the 338 Lapua
I’d believe it, check out the 300PRC vs 338LM video I put out shortly after this one. Way less drop on the 300PRC than the 338LM out to a mile.
Well crap. I was completely content with my 20inch Colt A4 build. Now this has got me thinking of going back to something smaller. I just love the recoil impulse and the ability to turn practice ammo into duty ammo with a 20inch lol
Oh man, 20” 556 rifles will always have a place. Primarily for turning practice ammo into duty ammo as you mention due to the awesome velocity. That said, if your goal is just making hits at distance I think you’d be really surprised at what shorter barrels can accomplish with the right ammo. The longest 556 ar I own is 14.5”. Sold my longer barrel rigs years ago and haven’t looked back since. Thanks for watching!
It would be very interesting to see this tested again with some higher BC bullets than the Sierra matchking, for example the tipped matchking, the Nosler RDF, the 75 grain Hornady ELD-M, and something from Berger maybe the 80 grain VLD… IF it can be loaded within magazine length….?
Do you have a good idea on velocity out of the 11.5" SR15 using FMJ 55gr ammo? Would love your ballpark number! Thank you. Love the channel. Subscribing now!
Really cool video thanks
Appreciate you taking the time to watch!
More awesome content, I really the stretching out of SBR video's! Are you in the Palouse?
Yessir, you got it. These are filmed out in the long range paradise that is the palouse!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica ha!!! I figured, the terrain looked very familiar.
Another great one man. It seems like the brass was ejected a bit forward. My 16” does that. I’m thinking mine is overgassed. Pretty snappy recoil too. What do you think? Really like your work.
Yeah typically folks say if the brass is going forward they are overgassed. Can’t say that’s something that ever bothered me though…. So long as the rifle cycles I don’t care where the brass goes haha
how does this not have more views?
I'm just a new channel starting out but I've already experienced a ton of growth. I suspect it's only a matter of time before my videos start getting more views. That said, really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!
Great episode brother you are killing it!!!! Is that mount 1.54? And is that nightforce the nx8? How is it?
Yes this is the 1.54” mount but the scope is the atacr 4-16, not the nx8. I actually own 2 of these scopes and I’m a big fan of them. The size and weight is perfect for a dmr type rifle and the glass is very nice. Also helps that you can pick them up on the used market for a solid price compared to new. If you’re in the market for one you won’t be disappointed!
Man thank you so much for your response brother!!! I’m currently building a 16” spr rifle and I’m torn In a 1.54 or a 1.70 height because I like an upright head position but I’m not sure for mid to long range shooting.
Looks soo fun
Great video. I have an mk12 for longer range and a 7" 300 blackout pdw for home defense/cqb. I wanted something in the middle for 25 to 250 yards and cant decide between an 11.5 upper to put on my sbr lower or a whole new 14.5 any thoughts? Thanks.
Love your channel!! What part of the country are you in??
Located in eastern WA state, a beautiful area with tons of long range shooting opportunities. Thank you for watching!
Man must be nice to have night forces just laying around not being used 😂
Good shootin! I gotta ask because it looks so familar, is this SE WA Area?
Yessir, shooting in the walla walla area. A long range playground!
Who mows those beautiful rolling hills?
These are wheat fields so they don't really get mowed like a lawn. They produce a wheat crop every couple of years but otherwise require very little maintenance. Perfect area for long range shooting!
I might have missed it in the vid, is the barrel twist 1:9 or 1:7 ?
This is a 1 in 7” barrel
Hi
Is this bipod the Magpul MAG933?
And the second question is whether the Kac SR15 11.5 inch rifle will be good for hunting foxes up to 500 meters?
Since there was no 14.5 inch length at the dealer, I bought 11.5 inches and I have doubts if I did the right thing.
Sorry for my English
This is the magpul MAG941 bipod. An 11.5" wouldn't be my first choice for hunting foxes out to 500 meters. While I believe it's capable of making hits, I believe it sacrifices the speed an energy needed to have the terminal bullet performance to put an animal down reliably.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica Thank you very much , And what would you give recommendations for semi-auto weapons for hunting predators?
@@marcinn9043 leave the foxes be…shoot a commie instead haha jk…500 yds with 556 out of 11.5” isn’t very humane in my opinion, but others may disagree.
@@marcinn9043 An 11.5 sr-15 might not be the best choice for hunting at 500M, but be happy you own one, it's an amazing rifle.
I apologize if you mention this in the video but i dont got the time to watch the full thing right now because im at work. But my question is what is the effective range of a 11.5" AR? Like how far out will it still make a lethal shot if absolutely need be. Because im sure it can be stretched really far if its a good shooter behind it. But does it still have the power needed at those longer ranges?
Oh man that is a great question and not something I covered in the video. I’m hoping to be able to do some long distance shooting into ballistics gel at some point to get an idea of how bullets behave at distance but haven’t been able to pull that off yet. Given the reduced velocity of the 11.5” barrel I would only feel confident in its lethality out to a couple hundred yards at best, certainly the short barrel is best suited to a cqb type role but as shown in this video it is capable of accurately putting rounds on target at longer distances if needed. Thanks for watching!
Lethal to what? As to a 2 legged threat if they are that far out then it is not self-defense.
If it is a 4 legged threat then wtf would you use a 5.56 round?
I love the idea of seeing how far you can stretch out the distance w/ 5.56, but your query is problematic.
@@laughingpain3006it can absolutely be self defense at that range if you’re being also being shot at from that range.. and there is no cover. Think.
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Ohhh you'll get it alright.
Appreciate it!
Imma tell u brother u have 1 of the best channels I watch & I think u do it alone. ?????????
Really appreciate it! You got it, I’m a one man show haha
Those bullets are disintegrating and really moving that steel at 700 so I think that weak data figure is off. Still very lethal at distance obviously
So any 11.5 ar can shoot long range as long as you have a good scope and good ammo what ammo do u recomend
Had me at mountains and mullets…lol
Ha perfect! Thanks for watching!
Hi again, I bought a Schmidt and Bender PMII dual CC 1-8 x 24 rifle scope for my new SR15 cqb, I used the Spuhr SP3022 mount, please tell me is it a good choice? The reticle is the MDR T6. Maybe I should choose the NF ATACR ™ 1-8x24 F1 ?
Thanks
Can't say I have personal experience with the SB 1-8 but I do with the NF ATACR 1-8 equipped with the older style reticle. Can't say I'd sell the SB 1-8 just to swap tot he NF ATACR 1-8. That SB 1-8 is a great optic! I'd just spend time training with it and learning to use it vs potentially swapping to the ATACR 1-8 if it were me.
Are you in Eastern WA?
I love trolling these comments on 11.5 rifles, most ppl who are commenting that you don't have terminal ballistics, but neither do they, lol. The 5.56 looses lethality at 400 yds anyway, 350 yds if it's a 16' barrel. Ever wonder why special forces run sbr's? It's not about that one shot kill Hollywood makes ppl believe they need. It's accuracy and speed that keep you alive and a lighter weapon gives you just that. Once you poke a hole in your target, their focus is no longer on trying to kill you, but to plug that new hole up they got that bloods coming out of. That buys you time to either evade or set up a better tactical advantage and re-engage. In a SHTF situation they're probably not going to have access to medical and will have to rely on why they have in the field for survival. They teach you in SF training that injury prevention keeps you alive! Any injury in the field drastically drops your survival rate and slows the team down. So unless you're pulling overwatch providing long range capabilities for a team, a sbr will do all you need as far as staying a live in a worse case scenario. Long live the SBR 💪
Love it! A hit on target with an SBR is more effective than a miss on a target with a rifle of bigger caliber or longer barrel!
So 11.5 should be outstanding out to about 250 or 300 with the ability to reach out to 400 with magnification and skill?
100% yes..... an 11.5" 5.56 is easily capable of 250-300 yds and 400 is very management with the rifle optics and some practice.
I’ve done 800 but only with a 16” gun. I think I was using a Tremor 2 in a Leupold
Makes me wonder about using a 20” to try this.
Man what do I have to do in order to just have a random NF scope just laying around 😮💨
Here I had talked myself out on wanting a Knights 11.5. Now I am wanting one.
Excellent shooting!