ROG Ally 2 SOON, Switch 2 LCD, Steam Deck OLED "Burn In"
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ASUS "announced" the ROG Ally 2, and it's a huge Mistake, Plus Nintendo is DITCHING OLED, and we have Results of OLED "Burn In" Tests!
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00:00 ROG Ally 2
23:41 Nintendo Super Switch Leaks
40:44 OLED Test for Steam Deck
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So from what I’ve noticed about the ROG Ally, I’d say that what we’ve sold in our store (I work at a Best Buy in GA), for every 4 ROG Ally’s that get sold, 3 get returned… and we have over a dozen open-box units just sitting there collecting dust, and they’re ALL the Z1 extreme model. It’s gotten so bad that when a unit is returned now, we have to PRC it because we have too many in store. (To PRC an item is to send it to the product return center for processing. Once there they will either ship it to stores that don’t have any open-box items, or return it to the manufacturer directly.)
All that being said, from a personal standpoint, listening to both happy Ally users as well as disgruntled ones,
I would have to say that the Ally is a monumental failure.
Some of the returns are from ignorant users that don’t know how to use what they bought, so to them it automatically becomes garbage. Some returns were due to hardware failure (mainly Micro SD card slot issues). And some returns were from people who knew what they had, put it through its paces, and liked it when it was at its best (100% battery life at 35+ watts cranking out beautiful frames), but didn’t like armory crate and the overall windows experience. Lots of
People also complained about those incredibly weak and loose analog sticks too. I am one of them, they are not good.
I think ASUS made half of a good product. I think at most it should’ve been 1080p, I love the high refresh rate and the z1 extreme APU, but the product as a whole is just not there. I have spent some time with the steam deck and the UI is so much cleaner and easier to use, but the issue with that system is being stuck at 15 watts, and it’s a complete pain to play games that aren’t optimized for steam OS.
I think the perfect PC handheld is an APU from Ryzen that is a generation or two beyond what is currently available with a 1080p 7-8” 90-120hz refresh rate, and the biggest possible battery they can fit inside of it, running steam OS.
Oh, There is just no way Valve would allow PC game pass to run on the steam deck btw, they are able to sell the SD at a lower cost because they can subsidize that cost with game sales from steam. Allowing Microsoft to use game pass on their platform would severely undercut their bottom line to the point that it could possibly not make the steam deck hardware worth producing anymore, and that’s not good for anybody.
Fun show guy! Keep up the good work!
damn brother you nailed it👍🏻
Well said. I took mine back to BB because armory crate wouldn't work (even after a factory reset.) Then I couldn't stand windows. I don't regret my decision to return it.
so glad i took a steam deck oled in the end. I was about to take the legion go..
I agree with most of your points but I still enjoy mine. I got past most of the issues just from tweaking things inside Windows and Armory Crate, but I understand why other people would be put off by that. Even with the weird compatibility issues, I still prefer having Windows on my PC handheld instead of Steam OS, because I can use this as a desktop replacement. A couple more generations and handheld PC's will be in a much better spot, with better APU's giving more power and more efficiency/battery life. I also agree that the joysticks are not great, but I don't really notice it when I'm playing. I don't really think Asus needs to release an Ally 2 this year, unless they can significantly improve battery life.
they need to put a Ally 2 out sooner than later to fix all the issues with it, issues that can't be fixed with software updates. If they wait too long, it'll be forgotten about and passed up by everyone else. Lenovo legion go is in a different position, they don't have to put a second version out right away. Buttons don't stick, SD card reader doesn't fail, APU doesn't heat up to 95c all the time, battery life doesn't last only one hour no matter what setting it's on. The original Rog Ally had a bad launch with issues that couldn't be fixed. Z1 extreme version will be $399 by the end of summertime.
I really like when you all give a take on things like layoffs, we all see each of you doing your tech or handheld talks individually, but it's very entertaining having your opinions come out here in a group as opposed to individual. Great show, I wish I coukd get these podcasts out to millions of people.
I’m a day one ally user. Just wanna add my 2¢ that i fully anticipated a regular cadence of refreshes and new devices. Doesn’t bug me at all. I’ll skip ally 2 and then go for a 3 or 4
Just bought an rog ally. At $200 off for the 512gb model it leaves a lot of money to upgrade to a 2tb hard drive
Thanks for this podcast. It’s nice to hear sensible talk and respectful talk that is clean and informative. Love your content and passion for the Deck and other tech.
Between this and wulff den, I need no other gaming podcasts. Thank you for your dedication.
Pretty awesome to be compared to that fantastic show.
I really like complementing this ‘in the loop’-niche kind of podcast with the more produced, mainstream LTT wan show :)
They both cover interesting, yet very different aspects of the tech space
@@NerdNestI also consider this show to be on par with that one. Excellent content you got going on here! 🔥
Add spawn cast to the list
Same here! This, Wulff Den, Digital Foundry and The Verge’s podcasts are the only ones I’m listening right now.
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I think the world of handheld PCs will be like this. Valve is the one company who wants stability most of all, they have digital distribution and they are most interested in making a machine to access this platform and to that end they are not interested in mudding the water with hardware updates that happen too often.
For those customers who want the latest and most up to date performance and care less about the smooth experience that Valve provides they will opt for some Windows based handheld PC that's more powerful than the Steam Deck but less convenient and less user friendly.
This is fine, choose what you want. Ease of use or raw horsepower. Maybe even choose both if you want that too!
Valve only wants to sell games. Steam Deck, and any PC is just a tool to achieve this.
Valve is and will do the absolute minimum to achieve this goal.
As they've Saif many times Steam Deck isn't profitable.
Don't misinterpret their motives.
@@kewlztertc5386brother making competitive hardware that you sell at little to no profit isn’t the bare minimum that’s industry standard. Them doing nothing but steam itself and steam alone would be bare minimum
@@kewlztertc5386 Yes. Every console is a vehicle to sell games. Xbox and Playstation both sell consoles at a loss. This is nothing new. Valve will likely release a Steam Deck 2 at a point when they feel such a hardware update will again last for atleast the same lifespan as the first.... You know... Just like a console.
The Steam Deck 2 will be so advanced that no video game company will ever need to make another handheld again
@@philorsum not for the PC market, and not for Nintendo in the console market.
I currently own a steam deck LCD and I'm very happy with it. I recently was able to try both the Rouge Ally and the Legion Go. I hated the ergonomics on the Ally, coming from the Deck, I hated the design and flat surfaces on the Ally, I also missed the extra 2 buttons. Said that ,I have a strong preference for the Legion Go, way comfortable than the Ally and better performance than my Deck, also the screen was really good and a better size than the Ally. I also agree with you guys having a gaming laptop it's completely irrelevant, you can use this windows machines as a replacement, and if I need to work just add peripherals. I'm selling my gaming laptop and stick to my Deck and soon Legion Go.
you could just dock your deck while downloading and turn the external screen off as well.
or do it in desktop mode . i set my screen to turn off after 5min to do long downloads
That's not really a realistic test for the OLED screen. Nobody is ever going to have a static image on a SD OLED for that long. It's a lot of off pixels vs some that are on which is not realistic.
And the result of this "test"will be pretty predictable. It will burn in, just as the Switch did in some tests other people did. Now, what I'm wondering is a realistic use case. For how long can I play de SD OLED before the performance metrics layer 2. That is the line of text displayed at the top of the screen "burn in"? While playing various games so the other pixels also get used of course.
I bought my Ally 2 weeks ago for $499, the z1 extreme. Open box from best buy excellent condition. If you buy open box stuff like this right after christmas you're almost for sure going to get a christmas return. Mine had never even been turned on the charger was never opened up, not even a spec of dirt or smudge on the device. Super happy with it.
It is possible to set only the screen to turn off through Linux in desktop mode - only reason I went into desktop mode when I got my Steam Deck OLED.
Definitely an important option that's missing from game mode.
Amazing pod thank you guys, God bless!
Watching the latest nerdnest podcast episode has become my new Monday routine.
Guys! love your vids so much! i like it before watching even not every time i watch it till the very end :)
I'm thrilled to have discovered this podcast 😊.
Great podcast guys!!!
Great talk :) - hmm aren't GPD XP and Plus gaming phones? - what about the ROG phones?
This is great news! Hopefully we can have improvements each year. Wether big or small.
love this stuff handheld gamer here and collector thanks guys for ur updates and compassion and reviews
Not sure what you meant about the screen on steamdeck? Because you can let the screen dim ti nothing via settings and display.. that works for me.
If Asus is watching this, make Ally 2:
• OLED with 8" Display 16:10 Aspect Ratio and keep VRR
• 32 GB RAM
• Bigger Battery
• Fix or Move the SD Card Reader to the Bottom like Steam Deck
• Make the Grips more comfortable like the Steam Deck
• Paint it Black (copy MSI Claw to rub it in their face)
• Speakers were fantastic - keep it or add more bass
• Kickstand would be a nice feature
• Another USB-C would be awesome
• Trackpad?
So, basically make more powerful Steam Deck? :D
@@Jakubaakk 😁 Imagine a Steam Deck OLED + Legion Go + Updated Ally = ROG Ally 2!
the design phase is already over
This except make the speakers 3 times as loud like a TV with surround sound, hall effect joysticks, and mini LED
You forgot "Fix the sdhc card overheat issue"
I have noticed everyone is talking about OLED burn in when it comes to possible problems but my main concern which I experienced with an OLED ps Vita is the color quality faded over time for example the whites started looking yellow and other colors looked over saturated did they fix this problem with modern OLED displays?
Love my Ally!! One of my most used systems as I have kids. The battery isn’t the best, but I use the hell out of it then plug her in. Same issues I had with the deck.
Sure hope the new Ally has, not only much better battery life, but two USB-C ports to make allow charging and connecting to an external display without needing a dock. Can't wait to have a great handheld connected to Xreal Ultra AR glasses for the best portable PC game experience.
Indonesia mentioned lets gooo but fr the fact ROG Ally is in countries like Indonesia officially makes a huge difference cause we don’t have steam deck officially here. I had to buy my steam deck from a reseller/importer at a much higher price than msrp sadly.
The Ally was reported to have at least 400K units sold by August so around a million seems about right. Losing official driver support in the future sucks so maybe I'll just start side loading the 7840U drivers when the official Asus ones stop on my Ally.
I've been watching Bill since he started the Stadia podcast. Amazing to watch his audience grow. I had no idea he had a podcast with Russ (got me into handheld gaming). I'm not famiar with Cary yet but I will be subbing to his channel as well. Looking forward for more from you guys
You buy a laptop when you need it. Most people don't buy a new laptop every year. Unlike the Steam Deck, these really aren't traditional consoles. They're PC's in a specific form factor. That their business model would more closely align with that of laptops makes a lot of sense.
This is what I'm sayin'
I would love to see them utilize frore's airjets if it provides better cooling
ROG Allys were on fire sale during Christmas especially the non-Extreme version. I really wanted the first one but the odd tooling issues and QA issues and SD card debacle kept me away. Plus I think not everyone is in the loop as much as people who watch stuff like your podcast. Normies are going to buy the Ally up to when the 2 gets officially announced so really it's fine.
Deck does have dimming when not plugged in settings. Steam menu>Display>Dim Display, followed by Sleep settings. The button method...maybe in desktop mode? At work and can't check atm.
But when the display goes to sleep downloads stop.
I managed to sneak a look at my deck. You can set the power button to 'turn off the monitor' when pressed in desktop mode instead of 'sleep'. In the game mode 'Sleep' settings will let you disable sleep when on battery but, yes pressing the button (in game mode) will probably still sleep it though. I'll have to play with it more tonight and see if these settings carry over from desktop mode but, I'm doubtful. In short, the option is already there just only in desktop mode for the time being. I'm sure they can add to game mode somewhere.
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edit: Setting to turn off in desktop mode won't turn off the monitor. It turns off the monitor for a second then it turns right back on. I updates pending which I'll install tonight and retry. Sorry lol.
Checked after update, still turns off then on again setting the button to 'turn off monitor' in desktop mode. Buuuut, you can disable sleep in desktop as well and set the 'turn off screen' after 1 min in desktop mode. It's not exact but, close.@@NerdNest
Go to desktop mode, disable sleep, set display turnoff time to desired timer. Start download. Walk away@@NerdNest
Has The Phawx seriously not heard of Red Magic or Asus RoG phones? Current gen gaming phones exist, I'm confused.
At that point it has to compete with phone + controller on the one end, which the handhelds already do and Red Magic & Asus on the other, for costing a lot more in terms of regulatory and carrier bullshit and smaller unit sales.
Sure that's a lot of market milking in a mobile being $1200+ instead of the $600, which wouldn't have happened if people didn't buy into it. On the one hand, the Odin 2 reveals how much people over pay for a 8 Gen 2 phone, on the other hand, who is going to buy a Ayn phone that costs $500-2000 more than a red magic or Asus RoG that their carrier won't let on their network? Find it what it costs and run the crowd campaign. Best case scenario you actually get a phone out there that's 4-5 years out of date, to all the backers. Most likely you have to apologize because nothing gets made.
Also, the regulatory & carrier hoops for phones free an effing nightmare.
Ayn is Chinese? So if they made a phone, the CCP would get up their *** & then they could face a US ban that meant they can't run android.
I understand Ayn not going there
Love your channel. I recently subscribed after my son bought me a SD OLED.
I’m wondering where you got the LeMoyne Dolphins hoodie. As a head of LeMoyne College, I’d love to get one.
I think we often pay too much attention to the impact of a side comment announcement on sales. I don’t think the average consumer is checking on the release dates for the new consoles. I mean, look at the switch sales 7 years later. People know a new console is coming but still buy.
Great vid!
The Switch held on for 7 years lol. I’m going to get the first gen Z1 extreme on clearance and keep it moving! It depends on your needs but outside of better battery life and an “OLED” screen I don’t see the overall experience with graphics getting that much better on the next iteration.
Worried what Russ was going to say next "Talking about 8 inches..." 😮
Is the framerate on these looking off from previous episodes? Looks like it to me. Thanks for the show!
Can you give me more information? Is it just me, is it everyone, is it someone else? It's filmed in 24 fps, which is how I film all my vidoes.
An example would be the transition from the animated logo to the camera view @:20-:30 is an more extreme example of what I see
Like frame stutter
Edit* I don’t know the answer but I feel like I see it more in your cam, perhaps shutter speed? Idk. I started listening to the video rather than watching the whole video. Keep up the great content!
Rog ally 2 smaller bezels on the screen, better sticks. Bigger battery & if possible little more power effience.
I’m currently trying a legion go and while the screen is fantastic those controllers digging into my palms especially when laying down holding it is a massive design flaw imo. I’m close to returning it after only 24 hours.
Number one in these devices has to be ergonomics
48:01 riiiight there 🎯
Great podcast really enjoyed your perspective. To all the Steam Deck fans out there, my apologies. I admit I was wrong about the Deck. I got one for a really good deal. Absolutely love it. So much so that I am ordering the Oled version. Love my windows handhelds as well, use them for what SD struggles with. However, after using the Steam and interacting with Steam OS, I can honestly say windows is terrible on these handhelds. Windows actually updated, replaced the AMD GPU drivers with its own and my games stopped working. I fixed it and it only happened on my Legion GO, but that is only one of many issues I have delt with using windows. Thinking about trying out Atom(a slimmed down version of Windows made for gaming )but its not official and I have not heard too much as far as good or bad. As far as favorite handhelds, it's between the Ally and SteamDeck. Cant wait to check out the Oled version.
They may make a cheaper version or make the next ally 2 may come in intel or different color. Like you all said don’t have to always get the latest one. The ally 1 is still a great unit. But 2024 will be a total weird electronic year with AI. Thank you all for always a great take on things. Plus Asus may correct some of the issues it may have in the first one. Aloha.
1: Windows 10 used to have an amazing tablet mode, if you had a touch screen it used to just add this little toggle in the notification area to switch to tablet mode.
It wasnt perfect but it was WAY better than just straight windows.
2:You can run the steamOS interface on windows, just set steam to launch in big picture mode
2A: the problem is that many of these handhelds are starved of RAM, even at 800p minimum settings i'll be bumping up against 16GB of RAM, which means i have to drop out into windows and close any launcher not needed for that game. If these handhelds had a minimum 24GB, but preferably 32GB+ you could just let all the launchers/ download managers run, ad add everything, other than windows games, as not-steam games(maybe there's a way but i dont have enough to care to find a way to access those folders without breaking the game install)
3:Windows is bloated yes, but its not as bad as many people think mostly just eating into the horribly small RAM, much of the problem i've ran into specifically with the Z1 line is that the OEMs have broken windows ability to control the CPU speed with power plans. The biggest boost i've ever been able to squeeze out of a mobile APU has been to either turn off turbo by setting the power plan to a maximum of 99%, or drop it down even further to say 50% clocks, donating that budget to the GPU. I have a 7940HS where the GPU can go from 1900, to 2400 just by flipping the windows power plan, but on the Lenovo Legion Go, i have to go into the BIOS to change it, which is a problem becaause some of my games are single core, and dont go much past 60FPS be it 800p or 1600P, because the CPU is holding bakc the GPU, sure i like that the GPU is at 800Mhz and its only using like 12w at the package, but i'm plugged into the wall, and have a 1600p144hz screen, i'd like it to run up to 2400 on the GPU and bounce around between 90 and 120FPS at 1600p(where it is running out of RAM.
3A: It looked like Lenovo planned to leverage this by having a switch in their OSD between windows performance, balanced, and power saver power plans. I was excited when i first saw this, as i have always needed to use a shortcut to get to control pannel, then navigate to power plans to change this, but something broke what these plans are allowed to do, and now these buttons do basically nothing despite my performance plan being set to 25% CPU clock speeds, its still ramping up to 4.4Ghz on all plans.(performance is set to 25% to allow nearly all 30w to go to the GPU, IIRC full load at 25% on my 7940HS is only using like 7w all core)
I REALLY hope Switch 2 is BC with joycon now that Mobapad M6 HD exist. They're SOOOOO GOOD. I never wanna play with any other controller again. HD Rumble, NFC, Omron switches, dpad swaps with rocker and is best I've used in my life, swappable panels with round or octagonal gates, digital or analog triggers, swappable analogs, swappable buttons, rear mappable buttons, HALL Effect analogs, anti friction rings, gyro, separate wireless, 17 hr battery, turbo, macros... and ergonomic as heck. Makes Switch feel like a lighter, thinner Steamdeck
I love the Rog Ally, but I won't upgrade. Especially if it's way bigger. It works good for me. I just want more affordable Mobile GPUs for the 1st Ally
Main issue with non OLED is power consumption. Still no magic bullet for that.
Watching yr video (not finished) and u said when asus rog ally v2 come out. Asus will stop supporting v1 , not according e.g. router supports.
I guess this is my biggest thing. So let's say I bought the first model the rmg Ally. Let's say about that one other than to keep updating it and working on it or they just going to move on to the second one
Im mostly a retro game corp fan, so im happy that Rus is there 😊
50:11 reason why I’m keeping my LCD Steam Deck, no issues and worries for “burn in” i ain’t worried about longer battery when I can use a power bank, I’ll save the money until SD2 comes out.
I still wish there was a test where there were three 120 hz or144 hz screens then one 120hz with VRR screen and see how many people can pick out the one that's VRR. I'm willing to bet the majority (over 25% since 25% would be random guess) couldn't pick out which one was VRR. I have a VRR OLED and a older gaming laptop at 144 hz and don't notice the difference. Of course VRR or 144 hz is smoother than 60 hz as 16 ms difference is more noticeable than 7ms.
Two monitors, both unlocked framerate, one with VRR off and the other on, you will 100% be able to tell a difference. It’s basically screen tearing vs no screen tearing. And Vsync doesn’t work the same and doesn’t work good in every game and frame limiters are dumb cuz if you could be getting 95 fps at times, why limit it to a number lower just to smooth it out when VRR can do it for you
It would be a bit of an insult to the userbase for Nintendo to launch with an 8-inch LCD with console exclusives and then probably use OLED as a '.5 gen' release in a year or so.
Most of Nintendo's userbase wouldn't notice or care.
@@NerdNest unfortunately I think you’re correct. I’m the niche market that’s used Ally, Go and Steam Deck. I’ll still buy the LCD I’m sure because the UX is just so polished. Steam Deck comes close but nothing beats that Nintendo ‘feel’.
I use Linux on my PC and you can easily allow the screen to turn off after an inactive amount of time when in desktop mode or even set a shortcut key to acheive the same thing. I'm not really sure how game mode works so it may require Valve to enable such a feature. I'm sure they could do it quite easily if they wanted to however.
The legion go is the best windows out rn anyways 550 open box 1tb,can't get better
I think in terms of hardware for portable gaming, if you bought a galaxy s10 or s20 series phone, youve been golden for nearly half a decade. If you bought a 3060 laptop, nearly half a decade,
I paid 100$ for my s10e when it launched. I still havent upgraded. Its crazy how long hardware will last if you arent TRYING to get every single new thing every year. I have customers that still use note 4's. The phone physically/display etc is still more than adequate today. The only thing keeping stuff back nowadays is software support.
Clearance ally one's are gonna be awesome 👌
For real i have a steam deck og 7 inch and a ps portal and man 8inch is a sweet spot for an handheld.
@NerdNest For rhe battery anxiety shirt maybe you should have it show parents driving an electric car such as a Tesla who are in the front seat worried about battery range as the kid is in the backseat with his -GameGear- Ally Z1. Seriously though, the kids with a GameGear and a TV tuner were the coolest kids on the bus. I can only imagine if they had any room left in their backpacks after their battery anxiety dictated that they cram it full of AAs. Look, who needs good grades when you can just a pack A's?
Wait... people don't notice that their clock and status bar on oled android phones shift around a pixel every once in a while? I definitely do!
I'm a diehard OLED fan, got Switch OLED day 1, Steamdeck OLED day 1, but I never let that stop me from enjoying a system. I got Switch in 2017 day 1, got original Deck day 1 as well. Do I wish it were OLED? Of course! But at the end of the day, it's video games. I'll survive my screen not being quite as top shelf. When an OLED revision does come, I'll upgrade. Just like I did for Switch, just like I did for Steamdeck. And in the meantime, I have an OLED TV. So half my gaming on it will be OLED anyways
I wonder whether and how long they'll continue supporting the Ally 1 once they drop the 2...also how many years of support could we expect on the 1? Hope they clarify...
Long time look at asus routers as example . Lenovo on other hand, day one after next version drops
I was going to buy Asus Rog Ally, now I am going to wait for the 2nd one
In my opinion the reason a lot of people are always buying the newest handheld that comes out is bc they like me want handhelds to be able to play all the newest games at above 30 fps and future games.. now i have a ally and imo its the strongest performer.. it played remnant 2 awesome and it came out just befor the ally.. i hope it runs horizon forbidden west rly well.. me personally i dont mind plugging it in bc even if im not near a plug i have a rly good anker battery block
It would be so bad to have a 16:10 on the switch 2, assuming the switch 2 still has the switch aspect of plugging into TVs which are ALL 16:9
Fair point, but running games at different aspect ratios isn't that big of a deal. It happens all the time
if the Ally 2 has a drastic overhaul including fixing the killer SD card slot I can see a dramatic offload of the first model in the 2nd hand market.
I would never buy an ROG Ally that was an open box. I've no faith in a returned device, especially when it's known that said device has confirmed SD Card slot issues. People lie when they return things all the time and those check the device over really just check if it turns on/off and looks factory reset. It literally went on sale this week at $200 off (CAD), but I just ordered a Steam Deck OLED instead. I want to be able to use all of the device and it's ports that I purchased without having to worry that I'll have to send it in for servicing at some point looming over my head.
why would nintendo sell you an oled super switch if they can sell you an lcd super switch and then later an oled super switch as well?
you're literally buying the double the super the switches if they con you with an lcd model first! :D
Truth is if all PC games were well optimized especially with PC handhelds in mind, all the current handhelds available today would last at least 5 years.
Not to protect IGN's integrity. but I think the reason why they didnt reference the number of sales "in India" is because the Asus spokesperson was talking to an India based outlet, and IGN thought it to be a bit redundant. But out of context, that does seem misleading.
its disrespectful to us who just bought the ALLY, Its a crazy beast and if they put a new one out, its still going to have the same customer base... This device is a beauty and people don't seem to understand how insane it is to run PC GAMES on a handheld. Regardless I think they should allow ALLY Z1 Extreme owners to come back to store and receive an "upgrade" to the Z2, even with an additional cost or a trade in. Because they entered this market, they can't tell people "hey we made you the best handheld" and then say 3 months later "hey we made an even better one". Regardless, I love this device and it's flawless in performance, it really is a beast. ONLY thing I would ask for is better joy-sticks Mann. other than that if you don't like the ROG ALLY get a switch lol, this is a masterpiece to me.
I would love the ally to get a bigger display and an oled one at that
Hi, the audio bits are really loud for me and kinda come out of nowhere. Would it be possible to tone them down just a tad? Thanks for the amazing podcast, love it!
They are hitting between -12 dB and -6 dB. Our voices are hitting in that same range, it shouldn't seem that much different.
@@NerdNest Thanks for the reply, weird maybe it's on my end!
The issue is that with new handhelds to support year aftet year the quality of the software will suffer. It would be like it Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo' released consoles each year. When it comes to input issues the handhelds have you MUST have more attention to software than you'd need with a desktop or laptop.
I’m a week late, but I’m here none the less 😂
One thing to note regarding Japanese jobs. It’s extremely difficult to lay people off due to labor laws there. Executives have to take pay cuts first and other measures need to taken before staff are laid off. If you look at all the video game layoffs, barely any in Japan
The problem with annual life cycle like Ayaneo does is the fact that you can't expect proper, industry standard performance from your OEM's whole portfolio. Just like how you can only look at one direction at a time as human being, the OEM will focus on the newer devices because that's the future and they have to promote it. Your device will be an afterthought. If these devices eventually switch to SteamOS, this will cause great stability issues as there are more devices to optimise and possibly with different hardware choices too now that Intel is making a comeback with handhelds. Windows in itself wouldn't cause that much problem I think since it's good/bad for everyone and there really is no way of fixing it without Microsoft doing it themselves.
If you look at it from a console perspective, you can see that not even 1 life cycle is good enough for the industry anymore as we got mid gen refreshes in the last gen and we are anticipating a refresh again this gen but there is still a lot of time between each upgrade. Enough for users to understand what their devices are capable of and enough for them to prepare to buy the mid gen because to them, it is an investment. There is only one way to play their games in their respective ecosystem on a hardware level.
Cary please get an extension cable for your headphones lol
yea the ROG ally is in all asus booths in indonesia so no surprisde that it was seen in bali... but it doesn't change that the steam deck is outselling it even more in indonesia than the ROG ally and the lenovo legion go combined...
they just buy it from others who brought them in bulk into indonesia legally.... its ridiculous how often stores online in indonesia keeps having the stock of steam deck sold out every few weeks and they come in huge batches of stocks in hundreds...
while the ally and legion go is usually just stagnating... the amount people selling those windows handhelds is also ridiculous and they are being sold way cheaper than brand new as if they want to get rid of them...
i think the main reason is the windows handheld experience was just way worse than the steam deck and the people in indonesia is more about the ease of use for the product...
rather than the performance a product can provide, they prefer someone from the modding community locally has figured out a solution to the problem or someone was able to monetize the solution that was compiled from across the interne and make the experience great....
The RoG Ally is like the junior version of the RoG phone. So the next iteration is expected
I love this podcast.
if the z2 goes up to 35W and uses strix halo i will upgrade. performance below 20-25W will be worse than the z1e but 35W would be 2,5-4 times more powerfull then the z1e @20-40W (in the z1e scaling basically stops @20W)
Asus if you are listening just make a handheld just like the steam deck l, oled , bigger battery, bigger screen and more comfortable grips AND keep the VRR and next gen RDNA and if MS can slap on a modified version of windows similar to game mode on steam deck I will sell my steam deck tomorrow and buy this thing
I'm scared that if I buy the Legion Go now then they will release an Oled or just higher end model of it.
I would worry with legion due to lenovo track record stop supporting after next v released
funny thing is i was just gonna buy one and found this video about the two now im second guessing
This is such a high quality channel
When they make a new ally, please change the d-pad and analogue sticks to better ones. Everyone acts like the controls are perfect on that thing. It's not. Also yeah, move that sd slot.
Sony has the patent for the gaming phone slide control set up. It remains me of namco with mini games in loading screens.
My anxiety was high again, and this really helped. Thanks Bill and the crew, always a pleasure!!
I think I watched a lot of movies about the handhelds recently... like, most of them. I was leaning towards buying an MS handheld just because the ability to run games from different shops like steam, epic, ms, gamepass etc. is really very important factor but there is something that is even more important than that - the maturity and designed durability of the device and the ecosystem around it. I considered both Asus and Lenovo but I have found people who share over the internet comments about the build durability. With Asus there's the issue of burning the sd card and drifting joycons - that's not really good. With Lenovo I've seen on the reddit topics where people throw in photos of their beautiful screens which have bright spots and for many people that is in the same location. So MS handhelds are a NO go for me for now as I do not want to end up with a damaged device or a device that requires any contact with the manufacturer for RMA or worse scenarios if problems arrive after the guarantee is no longer there. Steam deck on the other hand seems to have the build quality in a place where the entire device seems to be built to last for a decade. It seems that the MS handhelds are just in a phase where they are testing the market but also the devices and unfortunatelly from my perspective it looks like these companies although they do their best to satisfy the dream of portable gaming, their devices gonna face issues for which the end user will need to pay eventually. Steam deck feels more like a Nintendo level products. Not sure where the Asus and Lenovo are but it's not even close to SD.
There are way too many Windows handhelds on the market now. Windows is so cumbersome and annoying to deal with too.
I hope Valve finally releases a generic SteamOS install so we can see more machines using that instead because it is a much more seamless user experience for a true, casual audience who doesn't want to deal with any desktop shenanigans. I'm not a casual gamer but I do use my Steam Deck as one. The only thing I've used desktop mode is to install Proton GE and EmuDeck.
For my PC gaming I only use Steam and change the version of Proton I use if a game doesn't run well. If a game doesn't run at all then I just don't play it. And I never, ever bother with other launchers. Overall, this has made my gaming experience way more enjoyable than on my Windows desktop.
The people who were laid off were not perdominatly developers. They were redundant support functions. Hard to build a game with customers support, marketing, and release management, etc.
I was torn i between the ally and steam deck. I really prefer the ally because its easier to play xbox games but I did not like the fact that the battery was not so good but hopefully they make the battery life much better.
I think they're trying to gain market share, snd greater brand recognition.
If the Z1-E is cheaper more people will buy it, even if second hand. Meanwhile enthusiasts will upgrade.
More choice, equals more customers.
yeah but at the end it doesn't really matter for asus because they make money only once when they sell their console to one customer and also they don't really make a lot out of it. After this one sale they don't have nothing else to make money from unlike Valve, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft cause they make money after with games sales and subscriptions that's why if Microsoft not going to make handheld os they will struggle in handheld market in a long term run because their sales already not too good and a lot of returns(talking about ally and legion go)
IMO if you’re marketing something as a handheld with controls, you should assume the same things that a console would release like. Windows or not that’s how these are marketed, they should be released the same way. Things shouldn’t be put out year after year, it’s just not consumer friendly.
Asus must be high, think ill be skipping any new Ally 2, will wait for 3 lol
Two things I’ve learned over building and owning multiple gaming PCs and laptops for over 25 years… I never buy Asus or MSI hardware that strictly isn’t a GPU, motherboard or monitor. I’ve owned more things than I’m proud to admit, built dozens of high end pcs, laptops and many other items… going outside of those three things you’re just asking to have issues with longevity, quality control, customer service, support. I know these guys are primarily from the console world and going to just talk about whatever the steam deck competition is like it’s all the same. But as someone who knows both worlds, I just don’t look at the Ally and the upcoming Claw on the same level as the Legion Go or Steamdeck. I just see future Ewaste. I implore everyone to do research before giving those two companies your hard earned dollars.
Asus laptops are also very goods though.
The worry is that when a faster one comes out that will become the focus point for devs which could lead to worse performance, if there’s one every year then how well will my steam deck perform by the time the next steam deck is coming out and devs are targeting something that’s like twice as powerful as the deck
Great Conversation Gents! I love that yall are essentially friends. Differences of opinions and don't build a podcast based on dramatic tension. Excellent show!