3 Body Problem: What Went Wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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The Netflix adaptation of 3 body problem is not good, and here is why.
Video essay about 3 body problem, the Netflix show and the Book counterpart.
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"The world's best physicists look, talk and act like they've just come from the set of Love Island...". The one star review on IMDB says the best.
accurate!
The real '3 body problem' seems to have been to get 3 or more attractive bodies on screen as much as possible.
I'm really beyond disappointed by how much you hate the greatest treasure of mankind that is She-Hulk
Just like She-Hulk (Female Sueriority), this adaptation is another propaganda mouth piece from people that controls hollywood.
I agree with your review, but I recommend you see Tencent's Chinese adaptation, it's 30 episodes and it's very slow, but respectful of the novel
Thanks mate, I'll give it a shot
Just to be clear that Liu Cixin (book author) has only writing credit for this adaptation because he wrote the source material. Liu has no involvement in Netflix adaptation. The 3 problem adaptation/copyright was sold off by Liu in 2009 after he finishing the books. His writing was ahead of his time.
Good to know!
Glad I wasn’t the only one who hated this. Also, notice how they made all the female characters morally one-sided? As a woman its getting more and more tiresome to watch these unrealistic cringy power fantasies on Netflix😭
Not just the female characters. Most male characters are only allowed to exist in a spectrum between "evil" and "useless". But all the characters in the show were one-dimensional and uninteresting. As a result, all the supposed emotional high points left me completely cold because I didn't care about any of these characters.
@tni333 couldn't have said it better
Have you not read the book?
If you like the books, go watch the Chinese Tencet adaptation. it's slow burning but a master piece true to the source material.
The split between those who loved the show and those who hated it is insane-It really felt like a blue pill, red pill moment-Like an IQ test.
The thing I don’t get is brilliant channels like Quinn’s Ideas, folks who actually read the books-Somehow still like the show.
Beat, beat ....where was the beat ? Did the writers throw out the beat? Did they ever use a beat board? I never read the book but everyone I have spoken with who's read the book has said "It's the best sci fi book ever published". Huh! I watched the show in disbelief as every reveal fell flat on its face. At episode 3 + I could literally say what was going to happen next. Awful production to the point of kindergarten production.
I'd be curious to know your opinion on the 30 episode Chinese version on Prime Video.
I've heard mixed opinions on it but haven't had the chance to watch it yet. Would you recommend it?
@@SpaceCrowProductions I would. I won’t tell you what I feel yet but I can say the Chinese version is 99% loyal to the original book. It is not 100% loyal because the Chinese TV adaptation is not misogynistic (the author is literally a stereotypical nerdy Asian tech bro).
I'm enjoying it, about halfway through. The captions keep dropping out
The books are wonderful.
The Netflix series was rubbish. Why didn't they inject a school for witches or teens with superpowers into the plot?
A good question that may never be answered : D
Netflix Three Body Problem - Big Bang Theory meets Friends meets Game of Thrones.
I dont know why all these tv or movies makes their women insufferable and wonder why the show fails. I switched it off soon after. Its so cringy and eye rolling.
It's just netflix, at it again 🙄
True that:)
What went wrong is that Hollywood got involved...this is what they do!
they do seem to have a habit of screwing up adaptations of beloved books lol
I read all of the books, and I thought this series was really good.
You CANNOT adapt a long novel into a movie or a series without simplifying the story and making certain changes.
Sure, my problem isn't that they changed some things, it's the quality and purpose of those changes that I question. The shorter time of a series clearly wasn't a problem for the writers and it wasn't the reason for the changes as they spent half the season on Will's story from book 3 and rushed the first book. But I'm happy you enjoyed the show mate, to each their own.
@@SpaceCrowProductions I personally thought the changes worked just fine. I will watch the next season when it comes out. The novel is great but it’s far too much detail for a live action adaptation and would be very confusing.
I thought it was fine that Yun Tianming was introduced earlier. In fact, when I read Deaths End, I was confused about the new names as it felt like a completely new story and felt somewhat disorienting.
Similar with the new Dune movies; I actually like some of the changes they made and thought they made the story better.
I guess I’m just not the kind of guy who gets mad when adaptations make changes to the original. It’s not like the originals were perfect in the first place.
But like you said, to each their own.
@ROVA00 no one is mad that changes were being made we understand it's a different medium for an different audience. However I can't help but feel like they missed the point of the books.
@@neutral_narr what was the point of the books in your opinion? Just curious
@@ROVA00lmao I'm here late but this video and most of the comments are hilarious. And love that this guy never answered. They have 3 seasons to adapt this massive trilogy. The first book is not only the shortest, but mostly the prologue and setup for the next 2 books. They got across all the main plot points AND did a bunch of legwork setting up the actual plot so season 2 can go crazy from episode 1. And these people are upset that we didn't get to see a 20 minute scene explaining how logic gates work and a platoon of soldiers fucking up and getting replaced 🙄
I agree about the Saul plotline and character traits. The last scene with the "bugs are still here" conversation sets up Saul as someone who is readily willing to fight back and that is not at all how Luo is in the novel. I remember saying: " they did a good job with the adaptation until the very end." I wont judge until next season because all i did was voice worry and talk trash about the series until i actually watched it.
missed opportunity to make something good..
I didn't even know there was a book. I didn't need to know that in order to realize the show was dumb in so many ways. Wasting tons of money to slice a ship in the Panama canal with some futuristic technology, killing many innocent children in the process, just to steal one little object that could very well have been destroyed by the fibers, instead of just raiding the ship in international waters, far away from anyone's eyes or laws, was stupid. Aliens being advanced and intelligent enough to accomplish intergalactic space travel, while needing our help, was stupid. The fact that humans may destroy the planet in the time it takes the aliens to get here. The fact that people actually care and take seriously the invasion that's 400 years away, while in real life, we are being told catalysmic climate change is already here, and most people are apathetic. The whole plan to use hundreds of nukes to sling shot a capsule light years away is stupid. Even more stupid is putting a person in it. No wait, just their brain 🙄. The fact that she cares more about the brain of a dead loser than her actual highly successful boyfriend. The fact that she still cares once the dead guy's brain is lost in space. I can go on and on. It's all so stupid. Yet I will still watch the next season, go figure. Maybe I'm the stupid one.
spittin facts
This was a decent adaptation. Way better than I thought the series would be.
You may count me among the ones that have discovered Cixin Liu's works since the show was announced. I will definitely read the books. That said, it's not easy making a show about a rather complex Science-Fiction Epic and adapting it to the "non-initiated masses", so to speak. Heck, it was not easy adapting an *unfinished* "Medieval Epic" to the masses, so imagine how hard it can be adapting some quite high Science-Fiction concepts to the little screen...
I think they did a rather decent job by introducing some pivotal elements and concepts of the Trilogy into the show, although they mixed up elements of the three books altogether. I'm enjoying re-watching the show, and I'm eager to watch the next season.
Sure it's not easy, but with budgets like this and teams as big as the crew behind this show, I find the casting and writing inexcusable. I'm happy you enjoyed it tho!
This is spot on!I was so frustrated at this story plot
@@priyagurav8424 glad you agree mate, and same here
Hahaha the opening montage was great 😂 My exact reaction when I saw that stupid scene as well
Same haha, I had to do it
So, having read and loved the books its hard to disagree with anything you say. Yes , adaptations sometimes need to blend or merge characters to suit the format, but the lead characters they went for here are just ghastly. Ye Wenjie character getting so little back story is criminal, Wade is absolutely terrible (the Nick Fury comparison is inspired), and the pacing is horrible. They even managed to make the historical characters in the game look like they came from a kids history TV comedy programme. Suxb great source material, sooooo much long form TV potential, and all sadly wasted. Think ill juat reread the books.
So well said!
Yep. You hit the mark with this video!
Thanks mate :)
Hard agree on everything
happy to hear mate :)
"Adaptation" was shit. Thank god the bar scene was early on, it did a great job telegraphing how much time they were going waste on socio-political messaging instead of using it to adapt the book properly. That entire scene was a deliberate waste of time to make some point about girl-boss scientists and they continue that trope through the only two episodes I was able to tolerate. The second was the obvious splitting one character into three, for the sake of diversity. Pure garbage. Sure, some nice visuals to what the book explains, but that is about it. It takes 7 hours to read the book, I suggest you save yourself the 8 hours it takes to watch the show, and come away with an extra hour and better story.
I didnt know d&d were the producers of the 3 body problem adaptiation. Now it all makes much more sense... The few things that bothered me the most were how the cult behaved.. especially the old grandpa and how they were calling the aliens god... i dont know if that was in the books but i thought it was so cringy and shallow. It would have been much more interesting if they thought they were just aliens coming to save them or eradicate them idk.. instead of watering it down to just a brainwashed religion. Also i feel like after the first half of the series the plot is so all over the place. Its like they already told all the interesting parts in the first half and the second half was just boring sometimes because the characters werent interesting enough to follow. The ending was also very anticlimatic in my opinion. I liked your video because I watched the series and was really mesmerized by the concept but something bothered me after I finished it and i couldnt pinpoint it.
Thanks for the kind words mate, as for the ETO, they do call Trisolarians "Lord" in the books but they are a much more complex organization made up of mostly scientists and anti-humanists, it's way deeper than what you mentioned to be a brainwashed religious cult in the show. D and D saw the word Lord and made the whole thing into a cliche sect/school...
Happy to see you back with another video so soon! :)
Happy to be back!
I like that version, of course at the end you could just read the books but this series helps to imagine some passages
sure it helps, especially the game itself, but thats like 20 minutes of footage of an 8 episode season lol. I get where you are coming from though
@@SpaceCrowProductions the game sections in book 1 are some of the most drawn out parts of the trilogy besides the imaginary girlfriend section in book 2. The show got across that they're a recruitment tool for alien sympathizers and that the San-Ti are from a world with constant, unpredictable apocalypses and need a new planet. And they fit in the rehydration/freezing scene, tri-solar day, human computer/syzygy, and the fleet taking off. What more could you possibly want out of a TV adaptation like this? Would you really give up more time to set up the Doomsday Battle to watch Wang Miao talk about logic gates?
they didnt even run out of book material
They did for GoT, which is what I said :D
Does the book have the VR device also ?
Yes but it was written by a guy who has never seen a video game. You enter, talk with NPCs (I guess, it was never clear if there were actual real other people) and then you win the game because reasons. Those were horrible chapters just created for exposition.
@@kur1su74 The series had potential but the screenplay was really bad later on and the scenes with the VR environment were ridiculous and to me at least annoying.Early on it was really intriguing though
Wasn't Liu Cixin himself involved in this project?
I'm not sure, but wouldn't chage much for me. I read somewhere that D and D told him their plan and outline for the series and he OK-d it but I could be wrong. There have been many instances in the past however when the OG creator was involved in an adaptation and it still turned out bad, this would be one of those in that case imo.
nah Liu Cixin only has writing credit(book) for this netflix, "writing credit" as in credit a writer contributed to the original source material. He has no involvement in the netflix adaptation series. 2009 adaptation/copyright was sold off by Liu in 2009. His writing (3 Body) was ahead of his time.
Not much, he only had a few Zoom meeting and gave some suggestion, but most of those suggestion was rejected by the Netflix team. The Tencent series however, Liu was heavily involved with that one.
30 episodes is about the minimum number needed for The Three Body Problem, I enjoyed the slow pace and the fact not everyone swore all the time.
The Chinese 30 episode vers. is much better and so much more engaging. x
The swearing put me off for a moment as well. Especially Ye dropping the F bomb in an early episode. And why the heck does Ye have a faux British accent?
One thing I will criticise about the original books (the Chinese version, not the translated version) is the absurd degree of misogyny. The first book was fine, but it really went downhill since the second one. The way Liu Cixin described Cheng Xin and Luo Ji's wife was... let's just say it won’t fly in 2024, not even in China.
The Netflix version is basically the opposite of which, but in a bad way. Most of Liu's women characters have no personalities, but Netflix's women characters only have one good personality. I mean, kudos for giving them a personality, but it's not a believable one.
Another significant difference is their worldviews. Liu's books made it very clear that humans have to join forces to succeed. He is very much against the Hollywood-style heroes who can singlehandedly save the world.
I have only read a translated version obviously, but I have not found any of the above mentioned characters' portrayals to be "absurdly misogynistic". I agree on the heroes saving the world part, it screams "modern Western audience" to me.
Tell me about how he describes their wives
What went wrong? Nothing. It was great! (And yes, I'VE read the books, but MOST people on Planet Earth have NOT and WILL NOT, so comparisons really don't matter). 😎
Well the book was a bunch of nonsense too so I don't know if it went wrong or it is just as expected.
The video is good but the way you pronounce some of the words makes it kinda hard to understand
Thanks mate, must be my accent. Could you pinpoint any words or phrases that were off? I'll work on it in future videos :)
I read all 3 books. This adaptation was good. All major story beats were there, none of the most interesting bits were missing. In fact, there are things that I like more from the adaptation than the book itself, like the simulation stuff. The truth is, this story is not a character driven story. It is a science driven story. 90% of the characters in the books were incredibly flat, no depth whatsoever and it's completely fine bc they are not the point. The point is the hard sci fi, which is why I'm totally ok with how they handled the characters bc watching a tv show where the characters are narratively flat is a joke. Is it heavily westernized? For sure. But it wasn't bad.
Agree to diagree I guess. I think cutting out a majority of Ye Wenje's past and the ETO made the show infinitely dumber. Hard disagree on the flat character point as well but that is more of a subjective opinion, the only one that could be accused of that for me was Wang Miao.
I disagree. Maybe it is contrived to have them all be friends, however, how are you supposed to care about them without this? If they don't have a connection ,on television it will feel disconnected and choppy. Make fun of me if you want but the feelings are what bring people back. It needs to be a mix between science and human relationships. I thought it was great. We will see how it progresses. I have not read the book. I enjoy the lead characters.
Plenty of movies and shows would prove you wrong there, but I get where you are coming from. The problem could have been solved by staying just a tad bit, remotely true to the source material and having one main character side by side with clarence/Da Shi.
@@SpaceCrowProductions I have to admit whenever I have read the book and then watched the movie based on it , the movie is never as good. However, this being made for mass consumption they tend to have to condense the best parts for pacing. Thanks for being so polite even though we don't see eye to eye.❤️
awesome series
Glad you enjoyed it mate :)
The Chinese version was better.
The Tencent Chinese series remains the superior adaptation despite having a way smaller budget than Netflix's.
I slept 15 mins in and since when the internet like propagranda from chinese lol
@@augustinefaithdefender how to tell everyone you're dumb without saying you're dumb.
@@tsukasa1608 Calling people without real reason is really dumb and childish. One adaptation is fast-paced and remains faithful to the original material, enhancing the narrative by introducing deeper human connections that were absent in the book. This lays a solid foundation for potential future seasons.
On the other hand, the Chinese adaptation appears to be drawn-out and uninspiring, with a limited scope that doesn’t capture the vastness of the story. It’s challenging to distinguish between characters, which can be confusing for viewers. Additionally, there seems to be an attempt to obscure historical facts. Interestingly, even Quinn Idea has praised the Netflix adaptation for its approach. I guess, you guys are clowns for liking the chinese one lol.
@@augustinefaithdefender Liu Cixin was heavily involved and he likes the Chinese one, so Liu Cixin is clown I guess. Apparently Quinn's Idea knows more than Liu himself.
The Woke Body Problem.
Never read the books... Does it end so abruptly and without struggle at the end of each level of the VR game?
Everything around them is burning down but its also...good job you said something very convenient, next level. I felt underwhelmed.
The VR world is much more of a slow burn in the book. The problem is presented and the protagonist or someone tries to solve it. Every time the "solution" is wrong, the world burns down or freezes etc. So it's more episodic in the sense that the protagonist tries to solve the problem, screws up, the story goes on, he goes back in the game, tries again, until realizing the futility and purpose of it. It's better paced and more rewarding when the twists are revealed.
Let me just say this. When I was reading the books, especially the second and the third ones, I slept with my bedside lamp on. That's how scared I was. Not scared of aliens, but the unknown. It kept me awake and thinking. "What if..."
When I was watching the Netflix version, I was like "oh wow aliens exist meh whatever". The show is incredibly underwhelming. It doesn’t make you think about anything.
I would 100% recommend reading the books or at least listening to the audiobooks. I did so after watching the series and my mind was blown even more. So I can understand how someone who has read it can feel upset with the Netflix series - it is oversimplified and ultraprocessed for the mainstream audience. The book is paced well and there is a lot of symbolism interspersed. I can only imagine how beautiful it is in its original language.
I haven't started watching this video, but please don't just be another rant about WOKENESS.
There is so much more wrong with this show.
Like how it completely fails at setting up its premise and has a genuinely terrible pilot.
At least half of it is terrible.
Anyway on with the video.
So far so good.
This is an actually good review.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed. I would like to think that my rant here was a bit more nuanced than "REEE WOKE".
Huh? This wasn’t a bad show
So basically you are mad that they adapted it so it wasn’t 60 seasons long. And immediately just wrote off all characters that were added
I wouldn't say that length was an issue. The amount of time spent on badly written side stories and the botched version of the first third of the final book would have been plenty enough time for a proper adaptation including Ye Wenje's story and ETO in the same amount of episodes, even less. I didn't write off the characters because they were made up, I did because I think they are bad. But to each their own mate:)
Another great story sacrificed on the altar of woke.
Bad take
My literal brother in Christ, another Crow enthusiast I see! Great analysis man, I'm tired of everything good burning. 🫤👍
lol what are the chances, thanks mate :D