Actually your point of bad romance for Romeo and Juliet is really funny because that IS the whole point of the story. Romeo and Juliet rushed into romance without any second thought because they were so deeply infatuated with the idea of love and rebellion, not each other. I bet if they actually had a proper love buildup, they wouldn’t have died so tragically because everything that went wrong was because of their impulsive actions. I guess this is why romance can be written so poorly, because the characters are chasing the idea of romance rather than each other, and are not given much of anything outside of the romance. If they are, it’s because they are the main character, and the other “character” is watered down to a trope instead to serve the romance.
@@MagikalKrabical I’d say that culture bastardized the point of the story. I’ve never been in any English class worth its salt where it was portrayed as a romance. It’s clear that Romeo doesn’t even truly love Juliet. She’s literally his rebound, he “falls for her” the same day his crush rejects him. They meet Sunday night and get married THE DAY AFTER, less than 24hrs later. It was always taught to me as a tragedy warning about how teenage impulsiveness got a bunch of people killed not tragedy of forbidden love.
It's too one-sided to say Romeo and Juliet completely owned their impulsive actions, since what should _otherwise_ be an uncomplicated teenage fling shouldn't have resulted in anybody dying and the family feud had devolved into street violence before that point.The Montague and Capulet feud doesn't get off the hook, and it isn't until the protagonists die that they snap to their senses. I'd say the play is more of a sympathetic roast of young cringey romance. And while we say, "oh you were legally an adult at 16 back then," that was only a legal distinction. People understood perfectly well that young people are basically that dumb and inexperienced.
My pet peeve is when the heroes mow throw thousands of faceless mooks only to show mercy to the Big Bad because "Killing is wrong!" Uh...what about the whole damn army you slaughtered to get there? Oh! And the "If I kill you I'll be just as bad as you." excuse to not kill the big bad. Like...he's gonna kill thousands if you let him live but sure, let's keep those hands clean.
The problem is that their justification for sparing the villain are often flimsy, riddled with illogic and the writers unwilling to actually go through with it. I’m not oppose to the concept if it’s done for a good reason and that includes not killing the mooks or actually having a very good reason to not go through with it like the fact the villain might know the cure to a disease their loved one is suffering from, realised they’d make a martyr out of them if they go through with it or refusing to satisfy them in any way by denying them that satisfaction and brings them in. Saw III comes to mind as an interesting example because Jeff does the opposite when he meets the Jigsaw Killer and screws himself over. In Uncharted 2, Nathan sort of does it out of moral reasons but also because he had noticed the danger the villain’s in and leaves him to suffer that gruesome fate while walking away since his method would be a quick mercy kill. Too good for him. Batman: Under The Red Hood depicts a compelling argument from Batman himself on why he doesn’t kill the Joker because of what would come out of it and Joker isn’t the one making the argument to him but the titular Red Hood who questions why he’s still alive. Those are examples of the trope done properly. I could name Last of Us II as an egregious case of the trope because of the villain’s actions and general bad writing that makes it particularly infuriating to the player but I think that one speaks for itself.
@@BreadOnHead Don’t agree with his action to spare him for everything he’s done but agree on the decision to strip him of his fire-bending and his perceived divinity. Knock the winds out of his sails forever and humiliate him. A message being sent to his followers that it’s over. By sparing him, he effectively denied him of his martyr status for the Fire Nation which is smarter to do in the long run than going through with it and it’s consistent with the character also.
Alright look, it's not fair to call a trope the protagonist sparing the antagonist. Because then you're not arguing the writing of the story, you're just arguing the morality of that specific action
Well. I am trying, i am trying. To be honest I never even watched most of the shows and series that he mentioned. So I am kinda lost. But the lessons are great dawg!
There were a couple I saw that I know I need to work on. However, I knew those flaws before watching this. This was just verifying what I already knew 😂
Imagine IRL a girl asked a guy Girl: "Hey, you're kinda cute, and I like how kind you are towards everyone around you. Wanna go out?" Guy: "Sorry, that would be bad character writing"
@BatBitesTheBat nah, it's normal. I think the reason most people hate it is stories is because there's no build-up to said relationships But yeah sometimes something that works irl don't translate into interesting narrative
I really don’t like the Mob Psycho clips being played while taking about “power fantasy” and “same villain” points. That is a VERY surface level glance at the series and really undermines how Mob functions differently than most “strongest” mc’s, alongside how the villains barely play into the story.
Same. Thats literally what i thought too. Its not about power fantasy at all. The author was literally trying to subvert that trope by showing that having immense broken powers doesn't bring you what you want or help you achieve meaningful things in life. Mob is about a story of growth and change and how the environment around you affects you.
Saying "Avoid having great concepts but terrible execution" is such a non-advice... It's like saying "I love good food but hate when it's not cooked well", you're not adding any meaningful information on how to properly execute concepts, or what differentiates a good execution from a bad one. I think the main issue I have with the video is the title being "storytelling mistakes to avoid" but it's actually about what things you don't like. The title suggests advice, the content ends up being opinion.
Yeah, exactly. Aside from missing the point of a lot of his picks (TTG, for all its flaws, is unapologetically satire and as such is constantly poking fun at itself, its medium, its legacy and its audience, there is no story to "bring to a grinding halt"), this just seems somewhat superficial? None of the video reads like actual actionable advice.
It is very good advice actually, you can have an idea that sounds great, but then the way you use it is just... meaningless. A character that can teleport. Sounds good for me. The wrong way to execute the idea, he can teleport anywhere but in a fight he just doesn't do it, despite it being much more helpful than just fighting without that advantage, that's me writing it terribly in execution.
@@radiofloyd2359 they are, wanna know why? Because I already did what this guy did before watching this video, and the story was good thanks to not making these mistakes, writing is such a complex action that has established many rules for itself not to limit the writer, but to help the writer write a story that is not only worth reading superficially, but also analysing the characters, story and world, making any of the mistakes in this video makes the book not worth reading.
Crash bandicoot funfact. Crash and tawna dated for a while after he saved her in the first game, but then they broke up because it just wasn't working out. So while saving her was a great icebreaker it was not something they could build a relationship on.
You just awoke my old crash bandicoot hyperfixation,I have so much knowledge on these games- She then proceededs to be in a team of women’s race car drivers and that’s pretty neat
I like how Pomni from TADC is in the thumbnail despite the fact that not a single clip from that show is ever shown or referenced in the video. I mean, putting a Digital Circus character in the thumbnail would probably generate a lot of clicks.
Despite how unconventional TADC's story is it certainly avoids making the bad mistakes. though I think Hazbin Hotel would make for a better thumbnail while also embodying every single mistake this video points out.
Ok i'll be honest i think you may have missed the point on romeo and juliet. The whole point of that story is that romeo and juliet getting together on a whim without having any actual reason to love each other is a bad thing that leads to the tragedy of the story. IIRC shakespeare was making fun of similar love at first sight stories at his time. Just figured i'd point it out because it's an exceptionally common misconception that cheapens the value of what is a pretty good story overall. Sorry for writing such a long comment about what was probably just an offhand remark
I recognize Romeo and Juliet is a Comedy/Tragedy which is satire of that type of romance. However, I suppose it still ends up being THE THING even if it is trying to make fun of THE THING. No one in the play seems to really question it, and we're all missing cultural subtext to fully appreciate it, so when people read it they interpret it to be genuine romance for which we should model romance after.
@@ScritRighter... Romeo and Juliet is just a tragedy, not a comedy, not a romance. Just because the general populous misses that doesn't mean Shakespeare screwed the pooch in the writing department.
@@ScritRighterI don't think the characters in the play going down there realizing why these two innocent kids are gone would be expected to say "Hey, these kids weren't really in love by the way. They were just a buncha starry eyed younguns who got carried away by our family drama" would have improved the story. In fact, doesn't that kinda go against point 1 about overexplaining what just happened in your video? (I think that part holds water. There's a lotta good stuff here, just some rather underdeveloped points here and there throughout)
Something I hate is when there is drama for the sake of drama, like when there is already a great story going on and then somone/ somthing happens and then now the main plot takes a back seet because all the main characters are now fighting each other.
Nearly every 90s and 2000s kids movie has done this, which is why I love when a movie from that time goes into a third-act conflict without having to do any of that. Take Beauty and the Beast, for example. The Beast has fallen for Belle and nearly won her heart. They share a romantic evening and everything's going well; he only has until the end of the night for Belle to love him back and he'll turn human again. But when Belle finds out her father is out dying in the winter cold, the Beast allows her to leave to save her father in time, even though he knows he'll lose his only chance to break the spell. Belle is beyond grateful and parts with the Beast on good terms, not knowing the sacrifice he has made. No argument, no giant misunderstanding, no acting like a monster again; just an unmistakable act of love.
I hate it when writers limit themselves or play way too safe. The Knights of the Zodiac movie is a perfect example of this. It's an adaptation of the Saint Seiya manga/anime. The story of Saint Seiya is about gods and mythology, and it's super fantastical, with tons of colorful characters who have crazy, universe-shattering battles. Literally, the characters reach universal levels of power, but in the live-action version, you get almost none of that. It's like an extremely toned-down version of the story, which is a massive shame because Saint Seiya would have been a great breath of fresh air for live-action media. I think it's worse sin was getting rid of 90% of the main characters then at the end do the "we need to find the other's" trope as if they are gonna start some sort of cinematic universe.
@iguruza_no_marin fr lol, like I kinda get where they were going, but none of it feels magical, you know? Like they stripped the fantastical elements of the story away in order to have a generic action movie.
Funnily enough, in a book I wrote I did kinda like a reversed version of this, I had a bunch of stories and characters who knew about the existence of the others, but it took them like 40 years to get together because there never was threat that needed them all to get together, none of the other stories had relevance to each other until this happens, because they were all doing their own thing, it is only 40 years after many stories and adventures that the crossover happens and it only happens because they weren't enough, but they were all there since the beginning, just living their own stories you could read completely isolated, idk if you understood what I said, but I hope you did.
I think the main reason why romance writers and other bad romance writing comes from the writers having no idea at all about non platonic love (even though platonic relationships and romantic relationships have many things that work for both, and usually are approached the same way, because that's just how human relations work) leading to them just thinking it's just a social status thing, meaning that's how they write it. I hate that this is just something people think because they don't see the relationship, they just see two romantics together...
I don’t understand what it is you’re saying, most people in love feel like it has only ever truly come to fruition when they officially become bf and gf, since that’s how society has determined what is and isn’t considered a “serious” relationship, are you saying that some stories don’t realize that love is more than just “I want to be known as someone in a relationship”? If so what examples do you have of this?
I just write a character with background, then I write another one, then I make them friends, they Collab in their adventures, and then I decide whether or not to have them fall in love or not, but I never write a character just so they fall in love, I write them because I came up with an idea for them and their purpose for a story
Idk, for me personally, I kinda liked that Jogo never got to shine. I always felt like it was cruel cosmic irony that one of the strongest modern day curses never really came out on top. And it’s not like we don’t see his power. Man was able to turn city blocks molten and caused a whole ass meteor the size of a park to fall. It’s just that whenever he went “all out” it was literally against the two strongest people in the entire world.
Jogo kind of did shine, like It's literally shown how strong he is against the average sorcerer after the battle against Dagon, where he just instantly lights Maki, Nanami and the Fushigoro clan head even after they were shown to fare quite competently againt Dagon IN HIS DOMAIN, also Yuji literally comments on how Jogo is the strongest curse he ever met when Gojo was fighting him so I think it's explicitly shown and told that Jogo is a force of nature for anyone except literally the two strongest dudes in the verse. Although I do agree that he could have had more time to show of his powers against against the main characters but I honestly think at that point he would have just fucking killled them without much of a fight as shown when he cooks three sorcerers easily (one grade four and two grade one) I think the only way Jogo could have competently shown off his abilities was if he survived up until the culling games so he could fight against some of the strongest sorcerers to ever exist, though he was honestly lucky to survive Gojo nonetheless Sukuna (and if he did that would have been a bit of a cop-out) I dont even know what I'm writing anymore tbh 😂
I also agree though it does seem kinda funny that the strongest dude on the disaster curses team literally couldn't show his stuff execpt against the two strongest beings in history
@@cameronharding2878 Well he incinerated the whole team that was facing Dagon in his domain expansion in a few seconds by just using some basic fire attacks; something Dagon couldn't do before Toji got to him
1. "Allow me to explain what you just saw." - 1:05 2. Fantastic concept,terrible execution. - 4:17 3. Mouthpiece characters. - 6:27 4. Strawman characters. - 7:23 5. Overexplaining or "No,i don't care how this thing works,please just continue the story." - 8:17 6. Power levels. - 9:14 7. Rehashing old jokes/tropes. - 11:18 8. Dickriders. - 12:25 9. Character assassination. - 13:58 10. Potential man,always gets beat up and rarely wins but considered to have potential. - 15:26 11. Overpowered (and boring) main protagonist. - 18:52 12. Bad romance. - 21:30 13. Girlboss death./ Interesting female character becoming most boring tradwife imaginable (Does dragon ball Chi Chi and/or Bulma count?) after getting married or becoming main characters girlfriend. - 25:23 14. Marriage/ pointless fights between couples. - 27:29 15. Idiot Ball/competent characters becoming incompetent. (Reed Richards then?) - 29:27 Those are all your points that I got from the video.
@@pigzafrenzy No,if you want to trigger me you'd have to be a person who needs instructions on how to use shampoo which says that everything is political and unironically believes it. You're wiser than that right?
@@goldenzed6455 Excuse me for that,it's from entirely different video unrelated to this but I had just recently found out that statement actually triggers me because it's not true. Since by saying that the person says that there is nothing that transcends politics,not love or art. For me, It's such a bad take that makes consider flat earthers more reasonable and believable than whoever would dare to say such nonsense.
A good power system I like comes from Railgun (another scientific railgun). There are S class, A class... and the rest. The S class generally always win, but its mainly just the S class fighting each other. One arc focuses on trying to reach S+ class. And when an A class fights an S class, its generally not expected to win and instead have a different win condition (escaping, generally)
I haven't watched Railgun, but I did watch a video from Gigguk, and I gotta say the use of scientific principles in the power system is very interesting and similar to what I would like to achieve with my own writing.
Yeah, well and we all know how big of a gap there is between S and S+, and we all know what is needed to bridge it. Logically, there's a similar gap between A and S
@@ScritRighter oh and theres more to it too. Railgun is a spin off series of a certain magical index. Im index there is actually two power systems. Magic and science and they work so well cause they both have alot of depth to them
The trope of a character being really strong but then getting beat up or incapacitated to show how much trouble the rest of the characters are in is called "The Worf Effect" on TV Tropes. It's named after Worf from the Star Trek series, who is a big strong Klingon who regularly gets bodied despite being the physically strongest of the crew.
An explanation can be because: That said stronger one of the group usually has himself being the one taking the beatdown and fall over the rest of their group, he takes the fall so the rest can escape and plan a counterattack or something alike.
It can also be that the strongest one gets beaten so badly is because being the strongest makes them a high priority target for the opposing force against them.
imma be honest, i dont fully buy the thing about powerscaling. the idea that a character with a higher power level will win usually is just "stronger character wins", and the thing about power levels changing can still be accounted for either by the power level literally adapting or it acting as a sort of "average", like how generally strong a character is. you dont "destroy the power level system for good writing" when, for example, a character with a lower power level wins. that's just the power levels being used to show off how hard it would be for the character to win, and them doing so in spite of adversity. i think the real problem here is more of a show dont tell type of thing. like let me SEE a character being stupid powerful instead of just a "trust me bro" type of thing
The problem with power levels is that it puts numbers to something which can't truly be quantified (ie, a character's ability to win a fight). We can look at people's overall strength, speed, and strategy, but neither a power lifter, sprinter, or chess player is inherently predisposed to being a good fighter. On top of that, if the writer's goal is to keep power levels consistent, that adds a MASSIVE amount of back-end work for the writer to keep track of so that they do not accidentally break their own rules. What results is a measurement system which is either trapping the narrative under its reliable consistency, or inconsistent and incomplete due to the writer either forgetting measurements, or ignoring them to make a more compelling narrative. I think JJK does do a decent job of getting around 'power levels' by having a stronger character getting double teamed by two weaker characters, but they also never put a numerical value to powers either, so it's not as if power levels are a problem in JJK in the first place. Not saying it's impossible to make a good power level system in your writing, however, just that it's a pet peeve of mine for how difficult and frustrating it is. And also how it tends to poison the discourse around which characters might defeat other characters within their own universe (Or outside of their canon).
@@angel_of_rust using a power level system in writing Is a very slippery slope since making a good one Is incredibly hard, And keeping it consistent Is even more difficult, however it Is not impossible. I generaly think that unless you know exactly what youre doing, then you should refrain from Its use, however if you do, it can add that extra spice to your world.
Number 2 isn't a Pet Peeve, that's just what all storytelling criticism is, no one ever actually cares about criticizing something they saw no potential value in. As far as the Pokémon example for your first one goes, what I like about the good Gym Battle/Tournament Battle centric episodes is how they feel similar to watching a Wrestling Match, and part of this is having the other character on the sidelines being the color commentators. I love overpowered main protagonists, unconditionally, they are what makes Isekai fun.
i never thought about it like that, but that's true. as long as it isn't super handholdly or take too long, the peanut gallery does add to scenes like that. Like I used to not be a sports guy, but when my baseball friend introduced me to baseball he explained all the plays and lingo to me, so I could better understand, and it actually did make me enjoy it more.
I also want to defend the Pokemon anime off the basis that it’s a kid’s cartoon that’s basically meant to teach children how to play a video game. Pokemon has specific rules, with verbiage that means very specific things. A fire attack that “Burns” the opponent can mean something really meaningful in Pokemon, and disambiguating flavor vs mechnics is useful for the target demographic. As a 25 year old Pokemon fan, I know that Flamethrower is a 90BP Fire-type attack with a 10% chance to inflict Burns, that the Ability Static has a 30% chance to proc Paralysis, or that the attack High Jump Kick inflicts 50% recoil damage if it misses, but does an 8 year old kid? Growing up watching the anime legitimately taught me a ton about the game that I didn’t know otherwise because I was a dumb kid who could barely read.
You brought up Spider-Man in one of your bad writing examples and that got me thinking. One of the main reasons that many iterations of Spider-Man fall into the bad romance category is, in my opinion, a fundamental misunderstanding of his character. One of Spider Man’s biggest appeals is his relatability. How he struggles with day to day bs. The problem is many writers take this idea and make him perpetually miserable. Never allowing him a moment of happiness. I’m not saying he shouldn’t struggle in those new situations, but for gods sake give him a break!
I'd say Romeo and Juliet isn't really a bad example as they are MEANT to be two young idiots who ruin their own lives due to how naive they were and foolishly starting a relationship without actually knowing one another.
I'm currently writing several stories and I have some characters that fall close to some of these tropes. Like, for example, the main character gets glazed a lot in one of them because he's practically unkillable. However the only reason everyone does so much glazing is because they're attempting to manipulate, groom, and indoctrinate him into their way of thinking. They want him as a weapon, a force of nature they can throw at their opponents. And because of how damaged he is, he falls for it. A lot. He's not dumb, but the idea that someone would give him a hug instead of burning all his skin off doesn't even enter his mind. Superheroes are weapons owned by the Government, so any and all things are legal when it comes to procuring them. Another I have is a character who is the best at what he does. He drives a vehicle moving critical fuel for the world. There are many that do, but he is consistently the best at it. And that's because he devoted his entire life to it. His wife is gone, and he's looking for her, scouring the wasteland, "travelling west," as he always says, because he's a broken man that can't come to accept the fact his wife likely died many, many miles East. So he has this unnatural, unhealthy drive to get better. He can't die, he can't afford to. She's out there waiting for him. However I am still worried about my execution. As all of my stories are told through the eyes of characters, it can be jarring to have someone wake up after days or weeks and be thrust into an out of place situation. But I do it because it wouldn't be fair for you to know more than the character you're following does. My personal biggest writing hatred is just... Let characters be wrong. Let them have wrong opinions, or form false objectives for themselves. Too many times I tell people about a character I have and they're like "but that's such a flawed way of thinking," yeah... That's the point. She's a broken woman, lost/gained everything at a time she wasn't ready for it. Of course she believes the way she thinks. We know it's wrong, and a part of her does too, but she'll convince herself otherwise until it kills her. No she won't get redeemed. No she's not in the right. No, I don't think like she does...
I guess the main worry about that is people could see it as the author's flawed way of thinking, when that's not the intention at all It's much easier to root for a characters who's a goody two shoes, even though complex and morally questionable characters are far more interesting I guess most people just choose the safer option, since it's hard to root against someone who has such a basic good guy way of thinking. I do agree that murder is bad, thank you black haired protagonist.
@@blokvader8283 If you're writing your main character as a flawed inidividual don't let them be worshiped for it. You can have an unethical character, but if you wanna make it clear that they are clearly in the wrong you can do so via the narrative or other characters. I think the first example that comes to my mind would be in death note manga (spoilers) where the unarguably evil main character is killed off unceremoniously at the end of the story :)
@@BuboProductions No one said we're worshipping them, it's just more interesting to have a story where you can't fully trust the characters within it, like Breaking Bad, where over the course of the show you realize Walt is actually a horrible person who you should root AGAINST
@@BuboProductions Ohhh, no don't worry! I didn't realize you were just adding advice, I thought you were correcting me! You're absolutely right though, if a character is purposefully bad, they shouldn't be praised... unless that's the point and it could be like some twisted group following a horrible person
Gonna have to assert that Finn and Jake in Stakes isn't bad writing on the pure basis that it's really funny. Finn and Jake are heroes, but I would really say the show has never been above making them look stupid or clumsy for the sake of humor. I just really love their dynamic as comic relief personally. Their personalities are kind of fit for it, a hard headed teenage boy and his slacker 20-30 something older brother who is also a dog
I agree with you, Finn and Jake aren't out of character when they mess up and accidentally make the situation worse! They're just dilly dallying like always lol
Seeing the dickrider trope, i think in deltarune you see an example of it done right with berdly where yes hes annoying and abnoxious BUT the person hes dickriding (the villain) notices it and dislikes it just as us the audience does and that leads to a lot of funny and relatable moments in the game and gives the villian more personality Also the giving explanation to his behavior works wonders to why hes doing what he does and it just works
I will say that Nemona was a good rival character, because they are actually just really f♤cking competent and just want an equal, so basically just become your personal trainer, albeit in a way were they're obsessive about it, but they are meant to be comedic too
the over-explaining magic systems thing is so true. ion give a shit how it works bro i just wanna see cool shit happen. Like i get wanting to have good worldbuilding but then make like a side-book specifically for explaining the shit for the nerds who wanna know but dont just jam a long ass explanation in the middle of ur show.
We're leaving enough depending on the type of show that I'm watching that kind of stuff doesn't really bug me like his JJK example yeah they do it but it's never really bugged me like it does with him don't know why
I kind of do like thinking about how these things work, but just *show me* I want to try to figure that out myself, or watch a youtube video of someone gathering the evidence. I dont want a lecture from the show itself I want to just *see it* and then get it pieced together by what actually happens.
especially during fights, i think explaining a magic system is great and all but if its in the middle of an action sequence where the viewer is to be immersed why break the immersion for a giant exposition about mana
@@kingj9664 I think it’s like that because in JJK the characters are pretty much forced to think of the source of someone’s power and work around it because of how unique people can be. HxH was the same for me, I was bombarded with info at times but everything felt useful for when it was introduced and allowed for a more in depth look to each characters’ abilities. With good writing I feel like it allows for better setup and clutch moments
potentially interesting female character turned into obedient trad housewives forgoing her dreams n goals and only do her wifely duties (housekeeping and childrearing) is my biggest pet peeves
I feel like most of these can be entirely avoided if you just write your characters like they're real people. Why is character x an asshole? Because they grew up in an abusive home and thought that was normal, not because we need someone to hate and build personal conflict. Why is character y so selfish? Because they never matured out of their selfish state and is still not ready to do so (could become a future character arc perhaps). There is also one trope that I haven't seen too much which is when characters have entire arcs worth of development overnight. One piece of fiction that does character development perfectly is Avatar the Last Airbender. Spoiler warning in case you haven't watched it: after Zuko opposes his father and the fire nation he doesn't change overnight but remains pretty much the same person (because that's who he is). He does change over time as he relearns his own values and finds himself after meeting the right people.
I would say the closest thing to a Zuko character arc is Impmon from Digimon Tamers. His development is way faster, but it was such a refreshing subversion of tropes about a (basically) an edgy young digimon that wanted to be respected and loved but was scared of his last experience with humans that he thought the only way to gain that was by violence, only to later feel remorseful of his actions and trying to do the right thing. His personality didn't changed, but his actions did.
27:29 THIS is absolutely my biggest pet peeve imaginable. My Dress Up Darling (for anime at least) is the only show on recent memory that has not done this shit. In the show, they talk like people instead of going "uh uh well uh uh well" and blaming each other, they actually talk it out, and its over in like less than a minute. I REALLY hope it continues in Season 2, otherwise I've lost all hope in romance writing as a whole.
Honestly this. It’s easy to look at a story and think “I can do better”; that’s mostly because not a lot of ppl understand how much effort, time and dedication it can take to creating a story.
Bro really put Toradora as an example for characters with no chemistry when the entire point of the show was them denying their feelings despite their chemistry with each other.
He said "any romcom" as an example of bad romance, I was already pretty checked out on this weird ass video but that took me out completely lmaooooooooo.
My writing pet peeve is when a video essay assumes the viewer has seen the referenced anime or piece of media in question and fails to provide any examples on why I don't like it. Welp, that's enough of that, let me move onto my next point with no further elaboration. (lol) You had me for the first point, because I both happened to already see the old Pokemon anime, plus you provided an example. However, I think the litRPG segment was rather underexplained, with no concrete examples before we blazed on past it. You had me hooked.
23:57 This actually just reminds me that most people don't get into relationships for _good reasons._ So ironically, this is just real life, though I know these shows don't actually write these as the undesirable relationships that these actually are. It's just funny though that you remind me that a lot of men marry women they don't actually love beyond superficial qualities, or to check a box. Or men who specifically _hate_ women and resent being attracted to them. The trope of the man who avoids the family with work, whose family completely hates him, with the wife that cheats or quietly divorces them is pretty much an IRL trope. In Batman Beyond's defense though, that specific girl is depicted as not actually being any good for Terry because she's from a crime family and he was only probably into her because of her perceived wildness or manic pixie energy after a bad rebound with his other girlfriend. A bit barebones, but the show's focus was never romance and the setup was to create Terry's moral conflict from being personally involved with one of the bad guys.
I think the main issue is despite these romances being shallow at best the show makes it seem like endgame happily ever after final reward you win at life shit.
1:43 The reason, is that dialogue is cheaper to animate. The dialogue can't be about something other than what we just saw, because they are probably adapting a comic, so they can't add more elements to the plot.
I think that making fun of critics can actually be pretty funny at times. I’m not a fan of Sonic at all but the episode of Sonic Boom dedicated to making fun of Chris Chan has some genuinely hilarious jokes in it.
9:54 I kind of like the idea of power levels in this sense that you can use them purely as subversion. Like you know a power level 50 character is fighting a power level 200 character, but he manages to use his wits and resourcefulness to get the upper hand and its like "NANI? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? I SHOULDNT BE BEATEN BY A LEVEL 50 PLEBIAN!" You know, underdog stuff.
Pokemon explains events that have just happened in the animation, because its intended audience is small children, not you. For small children, you sometimes have to explain events that they have just seen, because they don't have a foundation of knowledge that would allow them to put what they've seen in any familiar context that would facilitate their understanding them.
I do like that some of these tropes can be used to "elevate a show" like for example, the over explanation of a mechanic or skill is what makes Baki so damn fun imo, i eagerly await to hear what wack-ass explanation the narrator has for how that one guy survived getting his spine dismantled
And that explanation will probably be something like: "He used his incredible motor-control and the sheer strength of his back muscles to flex the shattered remnants of his spinal cord and nerves back into place."
0:12 no, any story can work, id say in any medium, its not a mattre o flimitations like genre or the medium its limitations in writing skill or presintation, you show the perfect example to bring that up here and just... dont, so ill assume you talk about it later becuase what you just said by itself is incurect. id say the same of myself even if i can tthink of how to make something work there is still a way, im just missing it.
@@danthespaceman9747 incurate AHAAA!! XD bro thats a great call, oh well thats legit how i am, im emotional in my responces like 90 % of the time normaly in a video i say nothing at all. sure ill edit to fix my man
There's an exception to every rule. *That's* something everyone should always remember. So it doesn't need to get repeated in every list like this one.
Haven’t watched the video yet, but I know a personal pet peeve is: not being able to understand the story without reading the wiki. The season finale for Murder Drones just came out, and I have absolutely no idea what’s going on.
You don't have to. It's incredibly simple, actually: Uzi had to destroy Cyn's heart to beat the Solver, but her powers weren't enough, so she ate the heart instead. Now Cyn is in Uzi's body, but this time Uzi is the one in control. Lizzy's chat message with V also shows all you need to know about how V is still alive. All this is right there in the episode, just shown, not told.
I haven't watched all of murder drones, since it was a while back before season finale released but my god I had no idea what was happening, especially when every character was the exact same model
Really interesting to see the writing pitfalls that have existed for as long as writing has existed get new names and new forms. Idiot Plot, Worf Effect, and Character Derailment have been around for so long you'd think people would stop falling for them
I think there's always room for the overpowered protagonist though. People like Saitama are boring on paper but work well to comedic anti- climatic effect. It is definitely down to execution on the majority of writing tropes. That being said, you could always have the OP protag have problems they can't solve with their strength. I'd love to hear what you think would make a compelling OP trope characters in depth and the different types of them. What makes good ones good and bad ones bad.
Thats kinda the thing, for every Saitama, mob, or gojo, there's dozens of kiritos that fill the trope. But in a weird way it makes the good ones value go way up.
Pretty sure Saitama was created specifically to make fun of OP characters... Who pretend not to be OP characters. They struggle and struggle but somehow always win.
The over explaining thing is so true. and it’s worse when the author does it to a bunch of one off items or magic so you start skimming the explanations. But eventually there’s one item that’s actually important and you have to go back and find it to actual read it.
Wow love this vid to be honest! You honestly hit everything on the head! God one of my my biggest pet peeves is the 2nd/middle/ark of a move or storyline can be significantly shortened or complete cut out and you will mis basically nothing. That's a mood killer for me. And you already said it but it's more towards fandoms and people telling what is ok and not ok to protray in storytelling. Black and white views of concepts. It's storytelling!!! you're literally limited only by your imagination!!! AKA the hazbin hotel fan base forgetting the show is in fucking hell... That one controversy still perplex me to this day... Like... Did they fucking watch the show???
I agree. On everything, including how Jogo was treated. Bro was honestly kinda cool. His philosophy on cursed spirits, his design, and his abilities are fucking cool!
Oh man, I absolutely felt the point about characters often losing their personality after getting together. In anime/manga/light novels, I also found myself taking issue with the fact that in many stories, there's only really inner monologue for the designated main character (usually the male lead in male-centric romance) when logically, in romance, both leads should get equal narrative attention. I get that this is probably really hard to write, but in stories where both characters have growing to do, I find this is especially important. I always feel like I'm missing part of the picture ever since I became aware of this. It's even worse when (in the case of light novels) there are extra chapters/books focusing on the other characters (Danmachi does this, but I got hit by this most recently in The Angel Next Door Spoils Me Rotten) only to revert to business as usual in the "main volumes". It's like a carrot on a stick.
7:21 they do this a few times in a show called RWBY, but the most noteable time they do this is with a talking cat in season 9 who word-for-word says a bunch of common complaints people had about the previous seasons of the show in a way that tried to invalidate people for having those complaints. pro tip: if you're writing a story, try NOT to make an enemy out of the audience that SUPPORTS the production
Some of the pet peas in here I can totally understand and some I don't feel Like that bag of a problem. Anyway that example you gave with pokemon with Misty came at a really Send unfortunate time
one of the best glazed weak characters that comes to mind is Mumen rider from one punch man, the author clearly shows he's weak but people still love him both the audience and the people inside the story and its not because of power scaling but its because of his character writing
2:35 you have no idea how much I appreciate this little rant here lolol. I think part of the reason I myself have an interest in writing is because I was always frustrated with Pokémon’s (quite frankly) piss poor story telling - especially in their games. And the uncanny/odd dialogue choice just rubs salt in the wound. The things they say in the games feel inorganic
10:30 this is why I'm glad One Piece uses bounties instead of power-levels. the bounties are completely arbitrary and entirely based on how much the navy fucking hates you. I'm only on Enies Lobby so far, I hope that the bounty system doesn't turn into a power-level system down the line
@@Probablylani Is a child watching Sky High going to immediately understand why Warren is struggling to breathe when Speed runs in super-speed circles around him? That's why you need Professor Medula and Coach Boomer explaining he's creating a vortex to suck away oxygen to keep Warren from using his fire powers.
You showed a Final Fantasy VII clip when talking of romance, but I am recently playing it and I just love how romance is in there, how it's central to Cloud's character, how it reinforces it and makes me like him even more. Cloud has been raised by his mom in a way that he has to be protective, he has to look cool, all because he was a boy, and especially, his mom jokes about a female figure taking care of him like a mother, there is a bit of comedic conflict between her and Cloud, while this is shown through small interractions that don't seem that big of a deal... growing up, Cloud carries all these stuff, he meets Aries who's the first girl in his life who actually acts like his mom said a girl should act with him, which Cloud couldn't stand, he wanted to be the strong one, but Aries points out how useless all these ideas are and decides to be protective towards him anyways, it all puts Cloud in a conflict where he seems to like Aries but can't admit it for himself, in reality Cloud has no gender roles in his mind, he just plays along with it because it's what the society of the game wants, but you see him break free from those roles many times and be himself, especially to help Aries and Tifa(another possible romantic interest, so he 'breaks character' in honor of the 2 girls he feels some kind of attraction for), it's pretty wholesome, but also a lot sad, especially because it seems that both the girls don't really like him the same way he likes them, this is honestly the kind of drama that makes me wish for the best of a character's romantic life. And this was from 1997, I can't belive we got a commentary on gender roles of society back then already in a sci-fi rpg, and FROM JAPAN, it surprised me so much alongside all the other themes it explores
Maybe controversial, but I think making fun of the audience actually works on TTG since the show is a comedy/parody and everyone takes turns being the butt of the joke (some more often than others). Rather, it's when shows take themselves a bit more seriously and/or wholesomely that it's annoying, so a better example would be MLP:FiM. They made a whole episode referencing the audience in a negative light and it just felt really weird and out of place...
There is a difference between explaining that an apple drops from a tree because of gravity attracting two objects of mass in space, and explaining that an apple drops from a tree at a rate of 9.8m/s/s and would reach the ground from the tree's 10m height within about 1.01 seconds. One is a simple concept. The other is a lecture and calculation which adds nothing to our overall understanding and enjoyment.
@@ScritRighter Yeah, the exact numbers usually aren't important. But sometimes the general idea of some concept can be complicated, but still interesting. I usually like when they go a little deeper into some systems. My point was, you can't change physiks in a story which is supposed to be realistic just to make the story easier. And even if it's technically possible to simplify your magic system, so it's easier to explain, I wouldn't just simplify it. Instead I just wouldn't go too much into detail and leave it mysterious until the reader hopefully longs to finally know the deteails. Especially if the more complex variant of the magic system is already pretty consistent, and there are things you could do with it, but it's not planned for this story. Maybe for a totally different story or a game.
Damn, I feel personally called out on a couple of these 😅 but I appreciate the insight; it's always good to know how a reader might interpret your choices. I've been writing stories for a long time, usually just short scary stories to scare my friends at a campfire, or some sci fi stories to share with my family (sci fi is kind of a family hobby 😅)
As soon as you started explaining that last point, the key example i thought of was Light. Throughout the entirety of the the build up, hes shown to be this incredibly clever strategist. And then L dies and hes suddenly so incompetent that hes taken down by a fake deathnote? No. He would have been able and willing to think that someone might try that and would have had contingencies in place.
I do honestly have my problems with the second part but i have read somewhere someone explaining this and i think it makes sense, light and L main motivator has always been their ego and nothing else, light didn't actually have ideal for criminal-free world or anything he simple felt power and his ego made him want to play god, same thing for L and trying to prove that light was kira, and that made them view each others as their "worthy opponent', light i think never really thought about anyone around him but L and he was carful and had his guard up around him and treated everyone else as just background characters so when L died he basically considered himself the winner and didn't really take near seriously as L replacement, again he never had any ideals to cling to only his ego and his worthy opponent who is long dead causing him to massively underestimate near and not planning ideally which lead to his loss
2:00 I COMPLETELY agree. “Show don’t tell” is good advice in some instances, but “show and tell” is never needed unless there is a super complex story or insane world building. Also just because something is more complicated doesn’t make it better.
MY pet peeve in story writing is reviving a character that was basically set in stone as "not apart of the story" weather thru the end of their arc and they move on or they died but got magically revived just to either appear for the finally as a background character or to entirely drive the narrative simply because no one else could and the author probably couldn't think of any other way to resolve the problem without bringing someone who's story was already wrapped up
"You know, some people think that bungee gum posseses the properties of just rubber, or think that bungee gum only posseses the properties of gum. But NO. Bungee gum poesseses the properties of BOTH rubber AND gum."
7:09 every Fire Force fan collectively groans when you mention *that* chapter in the manga Speaking as a diehard Atsushi Ohkubo glazer that has gotta be the most embrassasing sequence of Mouthpiece strawmanning I've ever seen in a manga Doing all *THAT* for a character that's trash and has negative impact on the story is so strange to me man
@@ah.neat.408 Ohkubo did a strawman chadsoyjak chapter defending Tamaki and basically calling people upset about her existence projecting insecure people Whilst the conversation of shmex posivity and women being able to express themselves is a convo worth having, *Tamaki is literally THE last character you should have it with.* Not only I'd her LuckyLecherLure something that she can't control and doesn't even like, she's just a non-character. She's an unfunny, annoying ecchi gag character whose gag literally ruins moments in the story And anytime you think she'll actually do something or have plot importance, nothing happens and it goes nowhere Tamaki is a character that punishes the viewer for caring. If you removed Tamaki from Fire Force, the series would literally go up by an entire number (to me it's an 8/10; which means its Great. Easily could've been a 9 if she and everything tied to her didn't exist) I am dead serious This is coming from someone who loved Soul Eater and has a high tolerance to anime BS So I'm not just some prude either There's a reason why Fire Force fans dread these span of chapters. Because it's not even like the fight is good or had plot/character relevance! It's just here to say "You are dumb for not liking this annoying useless character, she's good actually" and nothing more Also Assault proudly announcing that he's a PDF due to his attraction/defence for Tamaki (bro is 28 and Tamaki is 17) Genuinely what was Ohkubo cooking 💀💀💀💀 Bottom 2 characters if you removed them both the series becomes 10x better I am so serious
Everyone here is mentioning how you didn't get Romeo and Juliet, but frankly saying that Guku and ChiChi don't make sense together, well, doesn't make sense. They got together simply because Goku didn't knew what a wife was and he married her because he made a promise that he didn't understand. So yeah, it makes sense that they don't munch fit together
the bit with Goku getting pelted by a rock makes sense though, his guard was down, his ki was not active to absorb the blow. Goku even when he was having trouble with Frieza on Namek before getting Super Saiyan, managed to also make Frieza feel a lot of pain by just biting his tail, because he didnt expect it.
The 2nd point about explaining what was already shown is such a common thing in Anime that I had to stand up and walk away from OVERLORD for half the fight scenes.
The thing with Amber and Mark in Invincible wasn't just "you kept a secret from me >:(", but rather the fact that Mark was *constantly* leading her on because of his superhero stuff and instead of either cutting things off or explaining it to her, he just kept making empty promises and failing to be there when she needed him. And then he acted as if telling her right after they break up would fix everything. It was alienating to her. That's what the problem was. If Mark was a tiny bit better at time management and found a way to be there for Amber and be a superhero at the same time, Amber wouldn't have been nearly as angry.
Funnily enough,, I've always appreciated being explained how magic magic systems or whatnot works in clear terms... just so i can create fanworks or my own characters. Since i was a child, I've felt the need to fully understand all the rules in a story because i didn't want to mess up my character creation. Everything had to be By The Book, so infodumping about magic systems was my saviour when the show was relatively new. But if the show was on the screen for a long time and i was watching it from the start online, then it didn't matter because I'd still get all the information needed for my creations. But then, if i caught up and had big missing holes in my understanding, I'd seek out what people thought and just... try to somehow juggle my lack of understanding and knowing this will all probably be proven wrong in the future. But despite all that, i do obviously KNOW the latter (slow reveal about the intricacies) is often better and makes for a much more compelling story than the former. This is just a character flaw of mine that's followed me around since i was a child, because i couldn't stand to create something with the potential of being fully disproven. So the only things i ever touched on was things already explained in canon, and rarely pulled myself from those restraints. Hell, my most recent event like that was a few months ago, when a friend and I were creating a duo of characters for Soul Eater and THEY had to force me to STOP LOOKING AT THE WIKI FOR ACTUAL EXPLAINED POWERS! HAVE SOME WHIMSY! LET'S MAKE THE WEAPON A FISHING ROD OR SOMETHING. WHO CARES IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL CATEGORY, UNLIKE _LAMP._
Bro honestly. I’m pretty sure I’m way to guilty of these at times. But I appreciate you imparting knowledge to me. Some of these honestly annoy me so much too
Is it possible to make a silly story full of humor and irony, and at the same time make a story with secrets, lore and deep mysteries? (Because I'm trying to do it)
I'm looking forward to as many of these as you can make it would be great reference material for myself and others who want to write anything I'm gonna take notes lol
22:51 i don’t know why you put black lagoon on this trope considering that, the romance literally can’t exist because the two characters are so two fucked up in the head that they can’t be happy together, sure you could say it’s a « bad romance » but that the point, it’s not a bad romance because it’s written horribly it’s a bad one because the two characters want something from the other but never work properly to obtain it destroying the potential relationship in the way, and i think it’s pretty cool (also the fact that black lagoon is incredible), so i really don’t know why you include it?
My BIGGEST pet peeve is when people don't like, comment, and subscribe >:(
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Actually your point of bad romance for Romeo and Juliet is really funny because that IS the whole point of the story. Romeo and Juliet rushed into romance without any second thought because they were so deeply infatuated with the idea of love and rebellion, not each other. I bet if they actually had a proper love buildup, they wouldn’t have died so tragically because everything that went wrong was because of their impulsive actions. I guess this is why romance can be written so poorly, because the characters are chasing the idea of romance rather than each other, and are not given much of anything outside of the romance. If they are, it’s because they are the main character, and the other “character” is watered down to a trope instead to serve the romance.
So basically: School bastardised the view of shakespeare for students and he's actually worth praising
@@MagikalKrabical I’d say that culture bastardized the point of the story. I’ve never been in any English class worth its salt where it was portrayed as a romance. It’s clear that Romeo doesn’t even truly love Juliet. She’s literally his rebound, he “falls for her” the same day his crush rejects him. They meet Sunday night and get married THE DAY AFTER, less than 24hrs later. It was always taught to me as a tragedy warning about how teenage impulsiveness got a bunch of people killed not tragedy of forbidden love.
ROMANCE BAD. NOT ROMANCE GOOD.
It's too one-sided to say Romeo and Juliet completely owned their impulsive actions, since what should _otherwise_ be an uncomplicated teenage fling shouldn't have resulted in anybody dying and the family feud had devolved into street violence before that point.The Montague and Capulet feud doesn't get off the hook, and it isn't until the protagonists die that they snap to their senses. I'd say the play is more of a sympathetic roast of young cringey romance. And while we say, "oh you were legally an adult at 16 back then," that was only a legal distinction. People understood perfectly well that young people are basically that dumb and inexperienced.
So kinda like 1984
My pet peeve is when the heroes mow throw thousands of faceless mooks only to show mercy to the Big Bad because "Killing is wrong!" Uh...what about the whole damn army you slaughtered to get there?
Oh! And the "If I kill you I'll be just as bad as you." excuse to not kill the big bad. Like...he's gonna kill thousands if you let him live but sure, let's keep those hands clean.
The problem is that their justification for sparing the villain are often flimsy, riddled with illogic and the writers unwilling to actually go through with it. I’m not oppose to the concept if it’s done for a good reason and that includes not killing the mooks or actually having a very good reason to not go through with it like the fact the villain might know the cure to a disease their loved one is suffering from, realised they’d make a martyr out of them if they go through with it or refusing to satisfy them in any way by denying them that satisfaction and brings them in.
Saw III comes to mind as an interesting example because Jeff does the opposite when he meets the Jigsaw Killer and screws himself over.
In Uncharted 2, Nathan sort of does it out of moral reasons but also because he had noticed the danger the villain’s in and leaves him to suffer that gruesome fate while walking away since his method would be a quick mercy kill. Too good for him.
Batman: Under The Red Hood depicts a compelling argument from Batman himself on why he doesn’t kill the Joker because of what would come out of it and Joker isn’t the one making the argument to him but the titular Red Hood who questions why he’s still alive.
Those are examples of the trope done properly. I could name Last of Us II as an egregious case of the trope because of the villain’s actions and general bad writing that makes it particularly infuriating to the player but I think that one speaks for itself.
@@rayvenkman2087 Thoughts on Avatar the Last Airbender and the protagonist sparing the big bad?
@@BreadOnHead Don’t agree with his action to spare him for everything he’s done but agree on the decision to strip him of his fire-bending and his perceived divinity. Knock the winds out of his sails forever and humiliate him. A message being sent to his followers that it’s over.
By sparing him, he effectively denied him of his martyr status for the Fire Nation which is smarter to do in the long run than going through with it and it’s consistent with the character also.
TLOU2 shills always ignore this.
Alright look, it's not fair to call a trope the protagonist sparing the antagonist.
Because then you're not arguing the writing of the story, you're just arguing the morality of that specific action
It’s nice to watch people’s most hated writing quirks and think “oh thank god my writing doesn’t suck balls that much”
Nah fr
I was like "not me. Not me. Def not me. Ok maybe thats me and nah not really" feel pretty good about my writing 😅
Well. I am trying, i am trying. To be honest I never even watched most of the shows and series that he mentioned. So I am kinda lost. But the lessons are great dawg!
There were a couple I saw that I know I need to work on. However, I knew those flaws before watching this. This was just verifying what I already knew 😂
Fr! Lmao
Imagine IRL a girl asked a guy
Girl: "Hey, you're kinda cute, and I like how kind you are towards everyone around you. Wanna go out?"
Guy: "Sorry, that would be bad character writing"
Girl: Hey, wanna go out for drinks?
Boy: Nah, that would be character assassination
I’m gonna do that now, just cuz you said so.
Is that wrong that that is the reason why I like a guy that I know??
@BatBitesTheBat nah, it's normal. I think the reason most people hate it is stories is because there's no build-up to said relationships
But yeah sometimes something that works irl don't translate into interesting narrative
I want that in a comedy please
I really don’t like the Mob Psycho clips being played while taking about “power fantasy” and “same villain” points. That is a VERY surface level glance at the series and really undermines how Mob functions differently than most “strongest” mc’s, alongside how the villains barely play into the story.
Agreed, my boy Mob does not deserve such slander.
You could say he's....psycho
@@cameronharding2878 100?
Right it’s like if they put clips of frieren there too 😭😭😭
Same. Thats literally what i thought too. Its not about power fantasy at all. The author was literally trying to subvert that trope by showing that having immense broken powers doesn't bring you what you want or help you achieve meaningful things in life. Mob is about a story of growth and change and how the environment around you affects you.
Saying "Avoid having great concepts but terrible execution" is such a non-advice... It's like saying "I love good food but hate when it's not cooked well", you're not adding any meaningful information on how to properly execute concepts, or what differentiates a good execution from a bad one. I think the main issue I have with the video is the title being "storytelling mistakes to avoid" but it's actually about what things you don't like. The title suggests advice, the content ends up being opinion.
Yeah, exactly. Aside from missing the point of a lot of his picks (TTG, for all its flaws, is unapologetically satire and as such is constantly poking fun at itself, its medium, its legacy and its audience, there is no story to "bring to a grinding halt"), this just seems somewhat superficial? None of the video reads like actual actionable advice.
Yeah, I think it will be good to have specific video about execution in story.
Be honest, you have a point
It is very good advice actually, you can have an idea that sounds great, but then the way you use it is just... meaningless.
A character that can teleport. Sounds good for me.
The wrong way to execute the idea, he can teleport anywhere but in a fight he just doesn't do it, despite it being much more helpful than just fighting without that advantage, that's me writing it terribly in execution.
@@radiofloyd2359 they are, wanna know why? Because I already did what this guy did before watching this video, and the story was good thanks to not making these mistakes, writing is such a complex action that has established many rules for itself not to limit the writer, but to help the writer write a story that is not only worth reading superficially, but also analysing the characters, story and world, making any of the mistakes in this video makes the book not worth reading.
Crash bandicoot funfact. Crash and tawna dated for a while after he saved her in the first game, but then they broke up because it just wasn't working out. So while saving her was a great icebreaker it was not something they could build a relationship on.
Why the fuck does _Crash Bandicoot_ have a more nuanced depiction of a 'Damsel/Savior' romance than most media?
@@TheRedMan77 a game from the 90s, even?
though my immediate assumption is that it doesn't help he's a complete dimwit creature.
@@TheRedMan77 the unmasurable profoundness of Crash Bandicoot is often not immediately apparent
@@elfascisto6549 Apparently so.
You just awoke my old crash bandicoot hyperfixation,I have so much knowledge on these games-
She then proceededs to be in a team of women’s race car drivers and that’s pretty neat
I like how Pomni from TADC is in the thumbnail despite the fact that not a single clip from that show is ever shown or referenced in the video. I mean, putting a Digital Circus character in the thumbnail would probably generate a lot of clicks.
What's a Pomni?
@@ScritRighterPomni? Never heard 'er.
Despite how unconventional TADC's story is it certainly avoids making the bad mistakes. though I think Hazbin Hotel would make for a better thumbnail while also embodying every single mistake this video points out.
I mean it works, let him get the bag lol
I think it was just used as a reaction image lmao
Ok i'll be honest i think you may have missed the point on romeo and juliet. The whole point of that story is that romeo and juliet getting together on a whim without having any actual reason to love each other is a bad thing that leads to the tragedy of the story. IIRC shakespeare was making fun of similar love at first sight stories at his time. Just figured i'd point it out because it's an exceptionally common misconception that cheapens the value of what is a pretty good story overall. Sorry for writing such a long comment about what was probably just an offhand remark
I recognize Romeo and Juliet is a Comedy/Tragedy which is satire of that type of romance. However, I suppose it still ends up being THE THING even if it is trying to make fun of THE THING. No one in the play seems to really question it, and we're all missing cultural subtext to fully appreciate it, so when people read it they interpret it to be genuine romance for which we should model romance after.
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Literally my entire grade adopting gen alpha slang in their vocabulary after excessively mocking it
@@ScritRighter... Romeo and Juliet is just a tragedy, not a comedy, not a romance. Just because the general populous misses that doesn't mean Shakespeare screwed the pooch in the writing department.
@@ScritRighterI don't think the characters in the play going down there realizing why these two innocent kids are gone would be expected to say "Hey, these kids weren't really in love by the way. They were just a buncha starry eyed younguns who got carried away by our family drama" would have improved the story. In fact, doesn't that kinda go against point 1 about overexplaining what just happened in your video?
(I think that part holds water. There's a lotta good stuff here, just some rather underdeveloped points here and there throughout)
@@ScritRighter doesn't the play ends with the words - what a tragedy these two stupid sods are ?
Something I hate is when there is drama for the sake of drama, like when there is already a great story going on and then somone/ somthing happens and then now the main plot takes a back seet because all the main characters are now fighting each other.
Ask the character comics are the biggest showcase of this, although it's still enjoyable for me.
Nearly every 90s and 2000s kids movie has done this, which is why I love when a movie from that time goes into a third-act conflict without having to do any of that.
Take Beauty and the Beast, for example. The Beast has fallen for Belle and nearly won her heart. They share a romantic evening and everything's going well; he only has until the end of the night for Belle to love him back and he'll turn human again. But when Belle finds out her father is out dying in the winter cold, the Beast allows her to leave to save her father in time, even though he knows he'll lose his only chance to break the spell. Belle is beyond grateful and parts with the Beast on good terms, not knowing the sacrifice he has made. No argument, no giant misunderstanding, no acting like a monster again; just an unmistakable act of love.
Umbrella Academy season 4 in a nutshell.😑
@@binkyboy448 that's where Disney's last storywriting braincells went i guess
Persona 5 okumura arc
I hate it when writers limit themselves or play way too safe. The Knights of the Zodiac movie is a perfect example of this. It's an adaptation of the Saint Seiya manga/anime. The story of Saint Seiya is about gods and mythology, and it's super fantastical, with tons of colorful characters who have crazy, universe-shattering battles. Literally, the characters reach universal levels of power, but in the live-action version, you get almost none of that. It's like an extremely toned-down version of the story, which is a massive shame because Saint Seiya would have been a great breath of fresh air for live-action media.
I think it's worse sin was getting rid of 90% of the main characters then at the end do the "we need to find the other's" trope as if they are gonna start some sort of cinematic universe.
totally unrelated to my profile pic and username but the saint designs were the second worst crime
@iguruza_no_marin fr lol, like I kinda get where they were going, but none of it feels magical, you know? Like they stripped the fantastical elements of the story away in order to have a generic action movie.
@@ONEPEAKFRFR absolutely NO cosmos coming from that movie ‼️
the creators could NOT feel the universe flowing within them
Good to know so I can avoid it 😂
Funnily enough, in a book I wrote I did kinda like a reversed version of this, I had a bunch of stories and characters who knew about the existence of the others, but it took them like 40 years to get together because there never was threat that needed them all to get together, none of the other stories had relevance to each other until this happens, because they were all doing their own thing, it is only 40 years after many stories and adventures that the crossover happens and it only happens because they weren't enough, but they were all there since the beginning, just living their own stories you could read completely isolated, idk if you understood what I said, but I hope you did.
I think the main reason why romance writers and other bad romance writing comes from the writers having no idea at all about non platonic love (even though platonic relationships and romantic relationships have many things that work for both, and usually are approached the same way, because that's just how human relations work) leading to them just thinking it's just a social status thing, meaning that's how they write it. I hate that this is just something people think because they don't see the relationship, they just see two romantics together...
You are so right 😭
I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what you mean by non platonic love. Can you please explain your point?
I don’t understand what it is you’re saying, most people in love feel like it has only ever truly come to fruition when they officially become bf and gf, since that’s how society has determined what is and isn’t considered a “serious” relationship, are you saying that some stories don’t realize that love is more than just “I want to be known as someone in a relationship”? If so what examples do you have of this?
@@evanbarth7173 what he means is Family love and romantic love. Platonic would be friends
I just write a character with background, then I write another one, then I make them friends, they Collab in their adventures, and then I decide whether or not to have them fall in love or not, but I never write a character just so they fall in love, I write them because I came up with an idea for them and their purpose for a story
Idk, for me personally, I kinda liked that Jogo never got to shine. I always felt like it was cruel cosmic irony that one of the strongest modern day curses never really came out on top. And it’s not like we don’t see his power. Man was able to turn city blocks molten and caused a whole ass meteor the size of a park to fall. It’s just that whenever he went “all out” it was literally against the two strongest people in the entire world.
you mean Jogo
@@longphan7656 sorry lol. Thanks for letting me know tho!
Jogo kind of did shine, like It's literally shown how strong he is against the average sorcerer after the battle against Dagon, where he just instantly lights Maki, Nanami and the Fushigoro clan head even after they were shown to fare quite competently againt Dagon IN HIS DOMAIN, also Yuji literally comments on how Jogo is the strongest curse he ever met when Gojo was fighting him so I think it's explicitly shown and told that Jogo is a force of nature for anyone except literally the two strongest dudes in the verse.
Although I do agree that he could have had more time to show of his powers against against the main characters but I honestly think at that point he would have just fucking killled them without much of a fight as shown when he cooks three sorcerers easily (one grade four and two grade one)
I think the only way Jogo could have competently shown off his abilities was if he survived up until the culling games so he could fight against some of the strongest sorcerers to ever exist, though he was honestly lucky to survive Gojo nonetheless Sukuna (and if he did that would have been a bit of a cop-out)
I dont even know what I'm writing anymore tbh 😂
I also agree though it does seem kinda funny that the strongest dude on the disaster curses team literally couldn't show his stuff execpt against the two strongest beings in history
@@cameronharding2878 Well he incinerated the whole team that was facing Dagon in his domain expansion in a few seconds by just using some basic fire attacks; something Dagon couldn't do before Toji got to him
1. "Allow me to explain what you just saw." - 1:05
2. Fantastic concept,terrible execution. - 4:17
3. Mouthpiece characters. - 6:27
4. Strawman characters. - 7:23
5. Overexplaining or "No,i don't care how this thing works,please just continue the story." - 8:17
6. Power levels. - 9:14
7. Rehashing old jokes/tropes. - 11:18
8. Dickriders. - 12:25
9. Character assassination. - 13:58
10. Potential man,always gets beat up and rarely wins but considered to have potential. - 15:26
11. Overpowered (and boring) main protagonist. - 18:52
12. Bad romance. - 21:30
13. Girlboss death./ Interesting female character becoming most boring tradwife imaginable (Does dragon ball Chi Chi and/or Bulma count?) after getting married or becoming main characters girlfriend. - 25:23
14. Marriage/ pointless fights between couples. - 27:29
15. Idiot Ball/competent characters becoming incompetent. (Reed Richards then?) - 29:27
Those are all your points that I got from the video.
@@batmeme9349 Added. Do you need also the subway srufers gameplay below it or maybe stocks chart on the right too?
@@hype3224lol triggered much?
@@pigzafrenzy No,if you want to trigger me you'd have to be a person who needs instructions on how to use shampoo which says that everything is political and unironically believes it. You're wiser than that right?
@@hype3224 The guy just said you forgot to put a timestamp. Where is all this rambling coming from????
@@goldenzed6455 Excuse me for that,it's from entirely different video unrelated to this but I had just recently found out that statement actually triggers me because it's not true. Since by saying that the person says that there is nothing that transcends politics,not love or art. For me, It's such a bad take that makes consider flat earthers more reasonable and believable than whoever would dare to say such nonsense.
A good power system I like comes from Railgun (another scientific railgun). There are S class, A class... and the rest. The S class generally always win, but its mainly just the S class fighting each other. One arc focuses on trying to reach S+ class. And when an A class fights an S class, its generally not expected to win and instead have a different win condition (escaping, generally)
I haven't watched Railgun, but I did watch a video from Gigguk, and I gotta say the use of scientific principles in the power system is very interesting and similar to what I would like to achieve with my own writing.
Yeah, well and we all know how big of a gap there is between S and S+, and we all know what is needed to bridge it.
Logically, there's a similar gap between A and S
@@ScritRighter oh and theres more to it too. Railgun is a spin off series of a certain magical index. Im index there is actually two power systems. Magic and science and they work so well cause they both have alot of depth to them
5:33 why is mob there. He should not be there
Scrit: I think this is bad writing.
Also Scrit: Shows clip of stories with actual good writing as an example.
Pretty much summarizes the whole video 😂
The trope of a character being really strong but then getting beat up or incapacitated to show how much trouble the rest of the characters are in is called "The Worf Effect" on TV Tropes. It's named after Worf from the Star Trek series, who is a big strong Klingon who regularly gets bodied despite being the physically strongest of the crew.
An explanation can be because:
That said stronger one of the group usually has himself being the one taking the beatdown and fall over the rest of their group, he takes the fall so the rest can escape and plan a counterattack or something alike.
It can also be that the strongest one gets beaten so badly is because being the strongest makes them a high priority target for the opposing force against them.
But this trope can also work really well. The Naruto series actually handles this trope pretty decently
imma be honest, i dont fully buy the thing about powerscaling. the idea that a character with a higher power level will win usually is just "stronger character wins", and the thing about power levels changing can still be accounted for either by the power level literally adapting or it acting as a sort of "average", like how generally strong a character is.
you dont "destroy the power level system for good writing" when, for example, a character with a lower power level wins. that's just the power levels being used to show off how hard it would be for the character to win, and them doing so in spite of adversity.
i think the real problem here is more of a show dont tell type of thing. like let me SEE a character being stupid powerful instead of just a "trust me bro" type of thing
The problem with power levels is that it puts numbers to something which can't truly be quantified (ie, a character's ability to win a fight). We can look at people's overall strength, speed, and strategy, but neither a power lifter, sprinter, or chess player is inherently predisposed to being a good fighter.
On top of that, if the writer's goal is to keep power levels consistent, that adds a MASSIVE amount of back-end work for the writer to keep track of so that they do not accidentally break their own rules.
What results is a measurement system which is either trapping the narrative under its reliable consistency, or inconsistent and incomplete due to the writer either forgetting measurements, or ignoring them to make a more compelling narrative. I think JJK does do a decent job of getting around 'power levels' by having a stronger character getting double teamed by two weaker characters, but they also never put a numerical value to powers either, so it's not as if power levels are a problem in JJK in the first place.
Not saying it's impossible to make a good power level system in your writing, however, just that it's a pet peeve of mine for how difficult and frustrating it is. And also how it tends to poison the discourse around which characters might defeat other characters within their own universe (Or outside of their canon).
@@ScritRighterif i May point to one single anime which possibly did the best job with this , then id reccomend checking our "world trigger"
@@MaersBroadcast that's only one anime, what about the rest of anime, let alone any thing else even trying to adapt this "power level system"
@@angel_of_rust using a power level system in writing Is a very slippery slope since making a good one Is incredibly hard, And keeping it consistent Is even more difficult, however it Is not impossible. I generaly think that unless you know exactly what youre doing, then you should refrain from Its use, however if you do, it can add that extra spice to your world.
@@angel_of_rust however i do think putting literal numbers on the characters power, is a bit offputting, there are better ways to indicate it
Number 2 isn't a Pet Peeve, that's just what all storytelling criticism is, no one ever actually cares about criticizing something they saw no potential value in.
As far as the Pokémon example for your first one goes, what I like about the good Gym Battle/Tournament Battle centric episodes is how they feel similar to watching a Wrestling Match, and part of this is having the other character on the sidelines being the color commentators.
I love overpowered main protagonists, unconditionally, they are what makes Isekai fun.
number 2 annoys me so much
i never thought about it like that, but that's true. as long as it isn't super handholdly or take too long, the peanut gallery does add to scenes like that. Like I used to not be a sports guy, but when my baseball friend introduced me to baseball he explained all the plays and lingo to me, so I could better understand, and it actually did make me enjoy it more.
I also want to defend the Pokemon anime off the basis that it’s a kid’s cartoon that’s basically meant to teach children how to play a video game. Pokemon has specific rules, with verbiage that means very specific things. A fire attack that “Burns” the opponent can mean something really meaningful in Pokemon, and disambiguating flavor vs mechnics is useful for the target demographic.
As a 25 year old Pokemon fan, I know that Flamethrower is a 90BP Fire-type attack with a 10% chance to inflict Burns, that the Ability Static has a 30% chance to proc Paralysis, or that the attack High Jump Kick inflicts 50% recoil damage if it misses, but does an 8 year old kid?
Growing up watching the anime legitimately taught me a ton about the game that I didn’t know otherwise because I was a dumb kid who could barely read.
The real question here is... what was Mob Psycho 100 role in the clips...? It doesn't fit what you were saying in my opinion.
implying that mob psycho is about the author's "power fantasy" is crazy
It's just B-roll man...
@@ScritRighterironic
You brought up Spider-Man in one of your bad writing examples and that got me thinking.
One of the main reasons that many iterations of Spider-Man fall into the bad romance category is, in my opinion, a fundamental misunderstanding of his character.
One of Spider Man’s biggest appeals is his relatability. How he struggles with day to day bs. The problem is many writers take this idea and make him perpetually miserable. Never allowing him a moment of happiness.
I’m not saying he shouldn’t struggle in those new situations, but for gods sake give him a break!
I'd say Romeo and Juliet isn't really a bad example as they are MEANT to be two young idiots who ruin their own lives due to how naive they were and foolishly starting a relationship without actually knowing one another.
I'm currently writing several stories and I have some characters that fall close to some of these tropes. Like, for example, the main character gets glazed a lot in one of them because he's practically unkillable. However the only reason everyone does so much glazing is because they're attempting to manipulate, groom, and indoctrinate him into their way of thinking. They want him as a weapon, a force of nature they can throw at their opponents. And because of how damaged he is, he falls for it. A lot. He's not dumb, but the idea that someone would give him a hug instead of burning all his skin off doesn't even enter his mind. Superheroes are weapons owned by the Government, so any and all things are legal when it comes to procuring them.
Another I have is a character who is the best at what he does. He drives a vehicle moving critical fuel for the world. There are many that do, but he is consistently the best at it. And that's because he devoted his entire life to it. His wife is gone, and he's looking for her, scouring the wasteland, "travelling west," as he always says, because he's a broken man that can't come to accept the fact his wife likely died many, many miles East. So he has this unnatural, unhealthy drive to get better. He can't die, he can't afford to. She's out there waiting for him.
However I am still worried about my execution. As all of my stories are told through the eyes of characters, it can be jarring to have someone wake up after days or weeks and be thrust into an out of place situation. But I do it because it wouldn't be fair for you to know more than the character you're following does.
My personal biggest writing hatred is just... Let characters be wrong. Let them have wrong opinions, or form false objectives for themselves. Too many times I tell people about a character I have and they're like "but that's such a flawed way of thinking," yeah... That's the point. She's a broken woman, lost/gained everything at a time she wasn't ready for it. Of course she believes the way she thinks. We know it's wrong, and a part of her does too, but she'll convince herself otherwise until it kills her. No she won't get redeemed. No she's not in the right. No, I don't think like she does...
I guess the main worry about that is people could see it as the author's flawed way of thinking, when that's not the intention at all
It's much easier to root for a characters who's a goody two shoes, even though complex and morally questionable characters are far more interesting
I guess most people just choose the safer option, since it's hard to root against someone who has such a basic good guy way of thinking. I do agree that murder is bad, thank you black haired protagonist.
@@blokvader8283
If you're writing your main character as a flawed inidividual don't let them be worshiped for it. You can have an unethical character, but if you wanna make it clear that they are clearly in the wrong you can do so via the narrative or other characters.
I think the first example that comes to my mind would be in death note manga (spoilers) where the unarguably evil main character is killed off unceremoniously at the end of the story :)
@@BuboProductions No one said we're worshipping them, it's just more interesting to have a story where you can't fully trust the characters within it, like Breaking Bad, where over the course of the show you realize Walt is actually a horrible person who you should root AGAINST
@@blokvader8283Absolutely, i didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I apologise
@@BuboProductions Ohhh, no don't worry! I didn't realize you were just adding advice, I thought you were correcting me!
You're absolutely right though, if a character is purposefully bad, they shouldn't be praised... unless that's the point and it could be like some twisted group following a horrible person
Gonna have to assert that Finn and Jake in Stakes isn't bad writing on the pure basis that it's really funny. Finn and Jake are heroes, but I would really say the show has never been above making them look stupid or clumsy for the sake of humor.
I just really love their dynamic as comic relief personally. Their personalities are kind of fit for it, a hard headed teenage boy and his slacker 20-30 something older brother who is also a dog
I agree with you, Finn and Jake aren't out of character when they mess up and accidentally make the situation worse! They're just dilly dallying like always lol
Pokemon was a good example of yapping at the audience. But never could you convince me that Joey in yu gi oh wasnt the best part
The Brooklyn Accent carries.
Seeing the dickrider trope, i think in deltarune you see an example of it done right with berdly where yes hes annoying and abnoxious BUT the person hes dickriding (the villain) notices it and dislikes it just as us the audience does and that leads to a lot of funny and relatable moments in the game and gives the villian more personality
Also the giving explanation to his behavior works wonders to why hes doing what he does and it just works
The part about explaining stuff no one cares about also completely destroys immersion since they are almost always just directed at the audience
It's mostly kid shows like Naruto that do that.
Bleach characters describing how their abilities work to their opponent mid fight comes to mind
@@kap1618 a lot of shows do it. Even Hazbin Hotel, a show made for adults. I think you're underestimating how many stupid writers are out there, Lol
@@SodaFrizz666 When did Hazbin do that? If anything their rules are poorly defined and they don't Explain anything.
I will say that Nemona was a good rival character, because they are actually just really f♤cking competent and just want an equal, so basically just become your personal trainer, albeit in a way were they're obsessive about it, but they are meant to be comedic too
Nemona was a great idea, but the issue I have is that their personality is too focused around glazing the player.
Nemona? Isn't she -Clavell- Clive's plug dealer?
the over-explaining magic systems thing is so true. ion give a shit how it works bro i just wanna see cool shit happen.
Like i get wanting to have good worldbuilding but then make like a side-book specifically for explaining the shit for the nerds who wanna know but dont just jam a long ass explanation in the middle of ur show.
We're leaving enough depending on the type of show that I'm watching that kind of stuff doesn't really bug me like his JJK example yeah they do it but it's never really bugged me like it does with him don't know why
I kind of do like thinking about how these things work, but just *show me* I want to try to figure that out myself, or watch a youtube video of someone gathering the evidence.
I dont want a lecture from the show itself I want to just *see it* and then get it pieced together by what actually happens.
especially during fights, i think explaining a magic system is great and all but if its in the middle of an action sequence where the viewer is to be immersed why break the immersion for a giant exposition about mana
@@kingj9664 I think it’s like that because in JJK the characters are pretty much forced to think of the source of someone’s power and work around it because of how unique people can be. HxH was the same for me, I was bombarded with info at times but everything felt useful for when it was introduced and allowed for a more in depth look to each characters’ abilities. With good writing I feel like it allows for better setup and clutch moments
Part of the reason why I like Harry Potter.
potentially interesting female character turned into obedient trad housewives forgoing her dreams n goals and only do her wifely duties (housekeeping and childrearing) is my biggest pet peeves
Sounds like the start of a novel.
also sounds like an IRL trope
at 0:34 i thought it was markiplier 😭
You're not alone 🥲
I did too
I feel like most of these can be entirely avoided if you just write your characters like they're real people. Why is character x an asshole? Because they grew up in an abusive home and thought that was normal, not because we need someone to hate and build personal conflict. Why is character y so selfish? Because they never matured out of their selfish state and is still not ready to do so (could become a future character arc perhaps).
There is also one trope that I haven't seen too much which is when characters have entire arcs worth of development overnight. One piece of fiction that does character development perfectly is Avatar the Last Airbender. Spoiler warning in case you haven't watched it: after Zuko opposes his father and the fire nation he doesn't change overnight but remains pretty much the same person (because that's who he is). He does change over time as he relearns his own values and finds himself after meeting the right people.
I would say the closest thing to a Zuko character arc is Impmon from Digimon Tamers. His development is way faster, but it was such a refreshing subversion of tropes about a (basically) an edgy young digimon that wanted to be respected and loved but was scared of his last experience with humans that he thought the only way to gain that was by violence, only to later feel remorseful of his actions and trying to do the right thing. His personality didn't changed, but his actions did.
27:29 THIS is absolutely my biggest pet peeve imaginable. My Dress Up Darling (for anime at least) is the only show on recent memory that has not done this shit. In the show, they talk like people instead of going "uh uh well uh uh well" and blaming each other, they actually talk it out, and its over in like less than a minute.
I REALLY hope it continues in Season 2, otherwise I've lost all hope in romance writing as a whole.
From what I've seen of the manga so far, the story seems to be going pretty strong
if you want to watch another romance anime with real people type chemistry i recommend insomniacs after school
as an animation student who had made short films in the past I can tell you that even making a subpar story can be a herculean effort
Honestly this. It’s easy to look at a story and think “I can do better”; that’s mostly because not a lot of ppl understand how much effort, time and dedication it can take to creating a story.
Bro really put Toradora as an example for characters with no chemistry when the entire point of the show was them denying their feelings despite their chemistry with each other.
He said "any romcom" as an example of bad romance, I was already pretty checked out on this weird ass video but that took me out completely lmaooooooooo.
My writing pet peeve is when a video essay assumes the viewer has seen the referenced anime or piece of media in question and fails to provide any examples on why I don't like it. Welp, that's enough of that, let me move onto my next point with no further elaboration. (lol)
You had me for the first point, because I both happened to already see the old Pokemon anime, plus you provided an example. However, I think the litRPG segment was rather underexplained, with no concrete examples before we blazed on past it. You had me hooked.
23:57
This actually just reminds me that most people don't get into relationships for _good reasons._ So ironically, this is just real life, though I know these shows don't actually write these as the undesirable relationships that these actually are. It's just funny though that you remind me that a lot of men marry women they don't actually love beyond superficial qualities, or to check a box. Or men who specifically _hate_ women and resent being attracted to them. The trope of the man who avoids the family with work, whose family completely hates him, with the wife that cheats or quietly divorces them is pretty much an IRL trope.
In Batman Beyond's defense though, that specific girl is depicted as not actually being any good for Terry because she's from a crime family and he was only probably into her because of her perceived wildness or manic pixie energy after a bad rebound with his other girlfriend. A bit barebones, but the show's focus was never romance and the setup was to create Terry's moral conflict from being personally involved with one of the bad guys.
I think the main issue is despite these romances being shallow at best the show makes it seem like endgame happily ever after final reward you win at life shit.
One of my pet peeves is that one pervert character in every anime. It's not Just the sex!sm it legit breaks my immersion and I don't like it
1:43 The reason, is that dialogue is cheaper to animate. The dialogue can't be about something other than what we just saw, because they are probably adapting a comic, so they can't add more elements to the plot.
I think that making fun of critics can actually be pretty funny at times. I’m not a fan of Sonic at all but the episode of Sonic Boom dedicated to making fun of Chris Chan has some genuinely hilarious jokes in it.
Why do anywhere i go on the internet I always find at least one guy mentioning Chris Chan 💀
2:34 Pretty good Brock impression.
9:54 I kind of like the idea of power levels in this sense that you can use them purely as subversion.
Like you know a power level 50 character is fighting a power level 200 character, but he manages to use his wits and resourcefulness to get the upper hand and its like "NANI? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? I SHOULDNT BE BEATEN BY A LEVEL 50 PLEBIAN!"
You know, underdog stuff.
Subvert the expected to avoid stagnation；but if you rely on that diversion, subversion is expectation
Jojo characters be like
@@OBviEZ yes of course, this would be after a long time of establishing that power levels are accurate.
Is it really subverting or is it exceeding with your example? Since subverting expectations can be badly done like in disney starwars.
people are tired of subversions. just say what you mean and show what you mean.
Omw to write a story that overuses *every single one* of these, just because of this video
What would a video of “How to work around/through these tropes” in 12 long videos! 😅 *take your time on that.
Great stuff we all need to hear.
Pokemon explains events that have just happened in the animation, because its intended audience is small children, not you. For small children, you sometimes have to explain events that they have just seen, because they don't have a foundation of knowledge that would allow them to put what they've seen in any familiar context that would facilitate their understanding them.
Children are not incompetent to understand things
I do like that some of these tropes can be used to "elevate a show" like for example, the over explanation of a mechanic or skill is what makes Baki so damn fun imo, i eagerly await to hear what wack-ass explanation the narrator has for how that one guy survived getting his spine dismantled
It just brings logic and reality to the story, and if used right it can fully immerse the reader into believing whats happening on screen/paper
And that explanation will probably be something like:
"He used his incredible motor-control and the sheer strength of his back muscles to flex the shattered remnants of his spinal cord and nerves back into place."
Trope subversion is a thing for a reason
I clicked this purely because I thought in one scene you would use tadc as an example of bad storytelling, but no its just clickbait
0:12 no, any story can work, id say in any medium, its not a mattre o flimitations like genre or the medium its limitations in writing skill or presintation, you show the perfect example to bring that up here and just... dont, so ill assume you talk about it later becuase what you just said by itself is incurect. id say the same of myself even if i can tthink of how to make something work there is still a way, im just missing it.
Minor spelling mistake
@@danthespaceman9747 true and all that matters is that you completly undertsood what i said and my point.
@@shardinhand1243 I do I was just mememing around, but you should edit incurect as well.
@@danthespaceman9747 incurate AHAAA!! XD bro thats a great call, oh well thats legit how i am, im emotional in my responces like 90 % of the time normaly in a video i say nothing at all. sure ill edit to fix my man
There's an exception to every rule. *That's* something everyone should always remember. So it doesn't need to get repeated in every list like this one.
Haven’t watched the video yet, but I know a personal pet peeve is: not being able to understand the story without reading the wiki. The season finale for Murder Drones just came out, and I have absolutely no idea what’s going on.
You don't have to. It's incredibly simple, actually: Uzi had to destroy Cyn's heart to beat the Solver, but her powers weren't enough, so she ate the heart instead. Now Cyn is in Uzi's body, but this time Uzi is the one in control.
Lizzy's chat message with V also shows all you need to know about how V is still alive.
All this is right there in the episode, just shown, not told.
I haven't watched all of murder drones, since it was a while back before season finale released but my god I had no idea what was happening, especially when every character was the exact same model
@@TheArtDev Fr they all look the same. Didn't watch the show so i know nothing but yeah
Really interesting to see the writing pitfalls that have existed for as long as writing has existed get new names and new forms. Idiot Plot, Worf Effect, and Character Derailment have been around for so long you'd think people would stop falling for them
Writing is tough, man.
@@ScritRighter 100%. Doesn't matter how many times you look over what you wrote, you can always find another flaw
I think there's always room for the overpowered protagonist though. People like Saitama are boring on paper but work well to comedic anti- climatic effect. It is definitely down to execution on the majority of writing tropes.
That being said, you could always have the OP protag have problems they can't solve with their strength.
I'd love to hear what you think would make a compelling OP trope characters in depth and the different types of them. What makes good ones good and bad ones bad.
Thats kinda the thing, for every Saitama, mob, or gojo, there's dozens of kiritos that fill the trope. But in a weird way it makes the good ones value go way up.
Pretty sure Saitama was created specifically to make fun of OP characters... Who pretend not to be OP characters. They struggle and struggle but somehow always win.
Most op portagonist are boring but yeah saitama is awesome, weak protagonist are more interesting
7:20 Sonicman isn’t an allegory, he’s just a guy that wants to be sonic
gonna put all this in my story for u bro so you can listen to it as an audiobook at the gym
Thanks dude. I am strongest when I am angry 😔
Goku & Chichi have shown their love for one another very clearly over the course of the nearly 30 years since they got married
On my way to do all these
Damn let dro cook the next Divine Comedy
Domain Expansion: Reading Comperhension
The over explaining thing is so true. and it’s worse when the author does it to a bunch of one off items or magic so you start skimming the explanations. But eventually there’s one item that’s actually important and you have to go back and find it to actual read it.
showing kazuma in the boring isekai protag section is a crime lol
3:03 The battleblock theater theme was a nostalgia hit I did not know I needed
Same! 😂
Wow love this vid to be honest! You honestly hit everything on the head!
God one of my my biggest pet peeves is the 2nd/middle/ark of a move or storyline can be significantly shortened or complete cut out and you will mis basically nothing. That's a mood killer for me.
And you already said it but it's more towards fandoms and people telling what is ok and not ok to protray in storytelling. Black and white views of concepts. It's storytelling!!! you're literally limited only by your imagination!!! AKA the hazbin hotel fan base forgetting the show is in fucking hell... That one controversy still perplex me to this day... Like... Did they fucking watch the show???
I agree. On everything, including how Jogo was treated. Bro was honestly kinda cool. His philosophy on cursed spirits, his design, and his abilities are fucking cool!
Oh man, I absolutely felt the point about characters often losing their personality after getting together. In anime/manga/light novels, I also found myself taking issue with the fact that in many stories, there's only really inner monologue for the designated main character (usually the male lead in male-centric romance) when logically, in romance, both leads should get equal narrative attention. I get that this is probably really hard to write, but in stories where both characters have growing to do, I find this is especially important. I always feel like I'm missing part of the picture ever since I became aware of this.
It's even worse when (in the case of light novels) there are extra chapters/books focusing on the other characters (Danmachi does this, but I got hit by this most recently in The Angel Next Door Spoils Me Rotten) only to revert to business as usual in the "main volumes". It's like a carrot on a stick.
7:21 they do this a few times in a show called RWBY, but the most noteable time they do this is with a talking cat in season 9 who word-for-word says a bunch of common complaints people had about the previous seasons of the show in a way that tried to invalidate people for having those complaints. pro tip: if you're writing a story, try NOT to make an enemy out of the audience that SUPPORTS the production
As someone who is writing a fantasy series. This is great!
What about the random insert of mob psycho as he calls it a power fantasy
Some of the pet peas in here I can totally understand and some I don't feel Like that bag of a problem. Anyway that example you gave with pokemon with Misty came at a really Send unfortunate time
I am very annoyed that someone has the balls to say the mcguffin the writer came up with derails a story.
@@ThemightyTelevision What are you talking about
@@kingj9664 he said that doesn't like when a character explains a mcguffin the creator created, I like it.
one of the best glazed weak characters that comes to mind is Mumen rider from one punch man, the author clearly shows he's weak but people still love him both the audience and the people inside the story and its not because of power scaling but its because of his character writing
2:35 you have no idea how much I appreciate this little rant here lolol. I think part of the reason I myself have an interest in writing is because I was always frustrated with Pokémon’s (quite frankly) piss poor story telling - especially in their games. And the uncanny/odd dialogue choice just rubs salt in the wound. The things they say in the games feel inorganic
10:30 this is why I'm glad One Piece uses bounties instead of power-levels. the bounties are completely arbitrary and entirely based on how much the navy fucking hates you. I'm only on Enies Lobby so far, I hope that the bounty system doesn't turn into a power-level system down the line
to be fair pokemon was for young children
Alot of the shows he mentions are.
Childers aren't r******d and if they see someone getting hit by a flaming breath they understand it
@@kap1618I don’t get why people get mad that shows targeted at younger audiences acts like a show aimed at younger audiences 😭
That doesn't matter lol. Children aren't stupid. And great storytelling helps sculpt a child's growing mind.
@@Probablylani Is a child watching Sky High going to immediately understand why Warren is struggling to breathe when Speed runs in super-speed circles around him? That's why you need Professor Medula and Coach Boomer explaining he's creating a vortex to suck away oxygen to keep Warren from using his fire powers.
You showed a Final Fantasy VII clip when talking of romance, but I am recently playing it and I just love how romance is in there, how it's central to Cloud's character, how it reinforces it and makes me like him even more.
Cloud has been raised by his mom in a way that he has to be protective, he has to look cool, all because he was a boy, and especially, his mom jokes about a female figure taking care of him like a mother, there is a bit of comedic conflict between her and Cloud, while this is shown through small interractions that don't seem that big of a deal... growing up, Cloud carries all these stuff, he meets Aries who's the first girl in his life who actually acts like his mom said a girl should act with him, which Cloud couldn't stand, he wanted to be the strong one, but Aries points out how useless all these ideas are and decides to be protective towards him anyways, it all puts Cloud in a conflict where he seems to like Aries but can't admit it for himself, in reality Cloud has no gender roles in his mind, he just plays along with it because it's what the society of the game wants, but you see him break free from those roles many times and be himself, especially to help Aries and Tifa(another possible romantic interest, so he 'breaks character' in honor of the 2 girls he feels some kind of attraction for), it's pretty wholesome, but also a lot sad, especially because it seems that both the girls don't really like him the same way he likes them, this is honestly the kind of drama that makes me wish for the best of a character's romantic life.
And this was from 1997, I can't belive we got a commentary on gender roles of society back then already in a sci-fi rpg, and FROM JAPAN, it surprised me so much alongside all the other themes it explores
Maybe controversial, but I think making fun of the audience actually works on TTG since the show is a comedy/parody and everyone takes turns being the butt of the joke (some more often than others). Rather, it's when shows take themselves a bit more seriously and/or wholesomely that it's annoying, so a better example would be MLP:FiM. They made a whole episode referencing the audience in a negative light and it just felt really weird and out of place...
3:40 That's like saying "Maybe your story shouldn't use real world physics if you have to explain how physics work".
There is a difference between explaining that an apple drops from a tree because of gravity attracting two objects of mass in space, and explaining that an apple drops from a tree at a rate of 9.8m/s/s and would reach the ground from the tree's 10m height within about 1.01 seconds.
One is a simple concept. The other is a lecture and calculation which adds nothing to our overall understanding and enjoyment.
@@ScritRighter Yeah, the exact numbers usually aren't important. But sometimes the general idea of some concept can be complicated, but still interesting.
I usually like when they go a little deeper into some systems.
My point was, you can't change physiks in a story which is supposed to be realistic just to make the story easier.
And even if it's technically possible to simplify your magic system, so it's easier to explain, I wouldn't just simplify it.
Instead I just wouldn't go too much into detail and leave it mysterious until the reader hopefully longs to finally know the deteails.
Especially if the more complex variant of the magic system is already pretty consistent, and there are things you could do with it, but it's not planned for this story. Maybe for a totally different story or a game.
I agree with you on the general point, but I genuinely do love those ttg episodes though, they were so stupid and funny 😭
GET MOB PSYCHO OUT OF THERE
The fact that ALL of the pet peeve just reminded me on rwby 😭 it's horrible bc it's also my fav show
3:40 hot take, people deserve complex context (as long as it is executed well)
Damn, I feel personally called out on a couple of these 😅 but I appreciate the insight; it's always good to know how a reader might interpret your choices. I've been writing stories for a long time, usually just short scary stories to scare my friends at a campfire, or some sci fi stories to share with my family (sci fi is kind of a family hobby 😅)
As soon as you started explaining that last point, the key example i thought of was Light. Throughout the entirety of the the build up, hes shown to be this incredibly clever strategist. And then L dies and hes suddenly so incompetent that hes taken down by a fake deathnote? No. He would have been able and willing to think that someone might try that and would have had contingencies in place.
Everyone got bored of the story once L was dead so now the show got cancelled and they only got a bit of space to tie up all loose ends xD
I do honestly have my problems with the second part but i have read somewhere someone explaining this and i think it makes sense, light and L main motivator has always been their ego and nothing else, light didn't actually have ideal for criminal-free world or anything he simple felt power and his ego made him want to play god, same thing for L and trying to prove that light was kira, and that made them view each others as their "worthy opponent', light i think never really thought about anyone around him but L and he was carful and had his guard up around him and treated everyone else as just background characters so when L died he basically considered himself the winner and didn't really take near seriously as L replacement, again he never had any ideals to cling to only his ego and his worthy opponent who is long dead causing him to massively underestimate near and not planning ideally which lead to his loss
2:00 I COMPLETELY agree. “Show don’t tell” is good advice in some instances, but “show and tell” is never needed unless there is a super complex story or insane world building. Also just because something is more complicated doesn’t make it better.
If you haven’t I’d highly recommend playing the Pokémon Scarlet/Violet dlc’s because Kieran is an amazing rival and character.
I still need to play the DLCs before the next games come out 😮 they were announced recently if I remember right.
MY pet peeve in story writing is reviving a character that was basically set in stone as "not apart of the story" weather thru the end of their arc and they move on or they died but got magically revived just to either appear for the finally as a background character or to entirely drive the narrative simply because no one else could and the author probably couldn't think of any other way to resolve the problem without bringing someone who's story was already wrapped up
"You know, some people think that bungee gum posseses the properties of just rubber, or think that bungee gum only posseses the properties of gum.
But NO. Bungee gum poesseses the properties of BOTH rubber AND gum."
Wow such a complex and well conveyed magic system :O
Pencil from BFB absolutely SUFFERED from character assassination, freesmart dying made me lose a part of my soul
7:09 every Fire Force fan collectively groans when you mention *that* chapter in the manga
Speaking as a diehard Atsushi Ohkubo glazer that has gotta be the most embrassasing sequence of Mouthpiece strawmanning I've ever seen in a manga
Doing all *THAT* for a character that's trash and has negative impact on the story is so strange to me man
I'm curious, what happened?
@@ah.neat.408 Ohkubo did a strawman chadsoyjak chapter defending Tamaki and basically calling people upset about her existence projecting insecure people
Whilst the conversation of shmex posivity and women being able to express themselves is a convo worth having,
*Tamaki is literally THE last character you should have it with.*
Not only I'd her LuckyLecherLure something that she can't control and doesn't even like, she's just a non-character.
She's an unfunny, annoying ecchi gag character whose gag literally ruins moments in the story
And anytime you think she'll actually do something or have plot importance, nothing happens and it goes nowhere
Tamaki is a character that punishes the viewer for caring.
If you removed Tamaki from Fire Force, the series would literally go up by an entire number (to me it's an 8/10; which means its Great. Easily could've been a 9 if she and everything tied to her didn't exist)
I am dead serious
This is coming from someone who loved Soul Eater and has a high tolerance to anime BS
So I'm not just some prude either
There's a reason why Fire Force fans dread these span of chapters. Because it's not even like the fight is good or had plot/character relevance!
It's just here to say "You are dumb for not liking this annoying useless character, she's good actually" and nothing more
Also Assault proudly announcing that he's a PDF due to his attraction/defence for Tamaki (bro is 28 and Tamaki is 17)
Genuinely what was Ohkubo cooking 💀💀💀💀
Bottom 2 characters if you removed them both the series becomes 10x better I am so serious
@@Sappysappster it's funny because you're despairing over it, which is basically the whole point of fire force
on the point about the basic op protagonist, tbf if you said slavery is wrong it'd probably piss off a lot of anime fans lol
Everyone here is mentioning how you didn't get Romeo and Juliet, but frankly saying that Guku and ChiChi don't make sense together, well, doesn't make sense. They got together simply because Goku didn't knew what a wife was and he married her because he made a promise that he didn't understand.
So yeah, it makes sense that they don't munch fit together
This is actually a really good video for me personally, as i seem to find that i am doing these mistakes.. Thanks for that reality check dude
the bit with Goku getting pelted by a rock makes sense though, his guard was down, his ki was not active to absorb the blow. Goku even when he was having trouble with Frieza on Namek before getting Super Saiyan, managed to also make Frieza feel a lot of pain by just biting his tail, because he didnt expect it.
The 2nd point about explaining what was already shown is such a common thing in Anime that I had to stand up and walk away from OVERLORD for half the fight scenes.
Calling control freak “freak show” is hilarious
I definitely know Control Show's name.
"Character assassination" really resonated with me as a rwby fan 💀
Yeah Adam Taurus became so god damn lame in the end.
@@ScritRighter not even the main cast came out of it alive I fear… I still follow because that series holds me captive
I also think slavery is bad, just my opinion though.
You're a hero
The thing with Amber and Mark in Invincible wasn't just "you kept a secret from me >:(", but rather the fact that Mark was *constantly* leading her on because of his superhero stuff and instead of either cutting things off or explaining it to her, he just kept making empty promises and failing to be there when she needed him. And then he acted as if telling her right after they break up would fix everything. It was alienating to her. That's what the problem was.
If Mark was a tiny bit better at time management and found a way to be there for Amber and be a superhero at the same time, Amber wouldn't have been nearly as angry.
Funnily enough,, I've always appreciated being explained how magic magic systems or whatnot works in clear terms... just so i can create fanworks or my own characters. Since i was a child, I've felt the need to fully understand all the rules in a story because i didn't want to mess up my character creation. Everything had to be By The Book, so infodumping about magic systems was my saviour when the show was relatively new. But if the show was on the screen for a long time and i was watching it from the start online, then it didn't matter because I'd still get all the information needed for my creations. But then, if i caught up and had big missing holes in my understanding, I'd seek out what people thought and just... try to somehow juggle my lack of understanding and knowing this will all probably be proven wrong in the future.
But despite all that, i do obviously KNOW the latter (slow reveal about the intricacies) is often better and makes for a much more compelling story than the former. This is just a character flaw of mine that's followed me around since i was a child, because i couldn't stand to create something with the potential of being fully disproven. So the only things i ever touched on was things already explained in canon, and rarely pulled myself from those restraints.
Hell, my most recent event like that was a few months ago, when a friend and I were creating a duo of characters for Soul Eater and THEY had to force me to STOP LOOKING AT THE WIKI FOR ACTUAL EXPLAINED POWERS! HAVE SOME WHIMSY! LET'S MAKE THE WEAPON A FISHING ROD OR SOMETHING. WHO CARES IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL CATEGORY, UNLIKE _LAMP._
Bro honestly. I’m pretty sure I’m way to guilty of these at times. But I appreciate you imparting knowledge to me. Some of these honestly annoy me so much too
Is it possible to make a silly story full of humor and irony, and at the same time make a story with secrets, lore and deep mysteries? (Because I'm trying to do it)
Watch Gravity Falls, because you literally just described Gravity Falls.
Gravity falls. Its definitely possible
One piece
I'm looking forward to as many of these as you can make it would be great reference material for myself and others who want to write anything I'm gonna take notes lol
22:51 i don’t know why you put black lagoon on this trope considering that, the romance literally can’t exist because the two characters are so two fucked up in the head that they can’t be happy together, sure you could say it’s a « bad romance » but that the point, it’s not a bad romance because it’s written horribly it’s a bad one because the two characters want something from the other but never work properly to obtain it destroying the potential relationship in the way, and i think it’s pretty cool (also the fact that black lagoon is incredible), so i really don’t know why you include it?