Bilstein 5100 Install - Ram Rebel (coupon code in description)
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024
- I FINALLY resolved my UCA and spring issues by replacing my 2" top hat style leveling kit with a set of Bilstein 5100 adjustable struts.
I picked up these struts from BilsteinLifts last week and found some time this weekend to install them. I am glad I did because the Bilsteins set at 2" of lift give me the height I wanted while resolving my over-travel issue I was having with the leveling spacers.
Top 5 takeaways:
1. My UCA/spring issues are finally resolved!
2. Achieved ~1.8" of lift.
3. The spring retainers that come with the 5100 aren't needed.
4. Plan for the worse with the strut top nuts, they can be a pain!
5. I barely had to compress my springs to free up everything!
Huge shoutout to the BilsteinLifts team for keeping me in the loop on their 5100 supply. These things fly off the shelves, happy to finally get my hands on a set.
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ok, I just did this. Couple things to help everyone out.. if you compress the springs just enough until loose to get out the OEM shocks you will not be able to get the top shock rod to poke through the top shock mount. You need to compress that spring until it gives you clearance to get the shock rod through the top mount and you can get the nut on. Approx 3 inches of exposed threaded rod on coil compression tools. Bilstein is painfully slow in helping you if you call/text them.
If you don't have an impact gun I wouldn't even start it unless you like to fight with everything. Once the coil is compressed and you have to remove the top shock nut in the mount, everything will just spin unless you have the power of an impact socket to spin the nut off. If you don't, you need to use a wrench to hold the top of the rod and then find something to back the nut off. The nut is recessed so nearly impossible to get ahold of it. I recommend using a spray lubricant before even trying. My truck is brand new and the nut was still a pain. To be honest most nuts are a pain without an impact gun. Sway bars, tie rod end both need a way of holding the bolt when tightening the nut. If you don't have a pass through socket set to do both it can be tricky.
I certainly appreciate the video, would never attempt without it. This kind person even helped me when I reached out on a holiday weekend. Thanks man!! I just want you to know this upgrade isn't for everyone and a second set of hands is appreciated.
Also if you don't have deep sockets that fit all these nuts buy them. Don't wait, just buy them. You need them. Good luck!
Really good video. I have a Built to Serve with factory 1" off-road package. I am doing EXACTLY what you're doing. Great video.
Another great video, thx! You include some helpful nuances, like clocking the spring, top plate and using a strap to support the hub assembly. In the comments, you indicated torque values came from Rough Country. Comparing these to the Mopar 2" RAM lift kit torque specs, there seem to be some differences. Perhaps someone with an FCA service manual can chime in...
UCA Ball Joint nut: RC: 65ftlbs; Mopar: 26ftlbs+180deg
Tie Rod to Knuckle nut: RC: 35; Mopar: 37+180
Strut to LCA: RC: 150; Mopar: 124
Strut Upper (3): RC: 30; Mopar: 57
Sway Bar Link nut: RC: 35; Mopar: 74
UCA bolts: RC: 125; Mopar: 130
Super helpful vid. Was hoping for more on fishing the old strut out and the new strut in but probably not critical.
Very informative. I was going to use the 2 inch top hat spacer. I am going with the 5100 now.
I’m thinking the Falcon tow/haul kit is a legit alternative to the Bilstein 5100. Love how beefy they are plus the adjustable rear shocks.
Great video like always, I just picture when you're compressing the springs the hockey mask 👍🏻
Hahaha can never be too safe!
I say this as someone who has been on the receiving end of a garage door spring breaking and a bracket right to the face!
Wish there was a "love" button. Great information, thanks!
Another great video and reason for me to hate the fact that I have the 4-corner air suspension on my Rebel! 😂
Great video you rock. I’m so glad I found your content as a ram rebel owner.
when dealing with tension on nuts you need to add grease to keep the temperate down. pb blaster works great. the nut seizes up from temperate possible breaking the the nut and screw right off.
I don’t see the difference between a 2 in puck at the top which increases the length of the strutt assembly by 2 in, and moving the spring up 2 in on the shock making it two inches longer as well. The lifted length is the same either way, so the geometry of the A arms through the travel is the same. It would be great to hear your results after 5k miles or so.
Achieved ~1.8" of lift. so it is 2.8" for a normal truck, some UCAs claim that they support 3-3.5" lift, so I would assume if you put cirdip at #6 or #7 , it's still gonna be ok, maybe just ride a little stiff?
The instructions say don’t use the 6-7 positions for Rebels or ORP so not sure about that.
For non ORP set ups, the highest lift you can get is 2.6”. That might land you around 2.4-2.5” at the end of the day which I don’t think necessitates a UCA replacement.
@@WaterFowler41 did you have any alignment issues with the RC UCAs and running less than 3" lift? (RC UCA's are rated for 3-3.5" lift)
Awesome video, I am getting 5100s front and back with an Icon 1.5” rear coil spring installed this week!
the spring rate should fix the front sagging to gain the full 2 inch
Good video, but can you please get a tripod?. Seeing the components go in and out are major factors in this job.
Sometimes see how you struggle or didn’t struggle helps determine how I’m going to complete it on my truck.
Happy to clarify any questions you have on this project!
Awesome video thank you so much. I'm excited to do this later this year
now that you go up to level 5 the spring you re-used does not reciprocate as well as it used to with the spring in stock compression with the yellow and blues....you get more bunny hop....maybe the 6100 are a better option....more money
Great video ... Great job 👍 ... I did the same job to my 4th gen Bighorn it was perfect .. Now I'm going to to the same to my 5th gen sport package ... You the first how video that ... Thank you
It’s a great set up, total no brainer upgrade!
Thanks for this information.
So I have a Bighorn with the off-road package so a 2” lift I would stay with setting 5. Correct ?
Yup
Hello friends Ram enthusiasts. I have a new body Bighorn. How to figure out if it is with or without the off road package? Thank you for your help.
Call a Ram parts counter at a dealership with your vin, they will be able to tell you pretty quickly if your truck was shipped with the ORP
Late comment, but Think you would've gotten the full 2" if you would've used the spring retainers? Think it would've been a problem if you did user them?
Nice video 👍, Do you need upper control arms or offset wheels to run 5100s? How did you find/get Torque specs? I'm wondering if they're similar for a 2022 Rebel. Thanks !!!
Rough country offers a 2 inch kit that comes with a bump stop so this doesn’t happen, even if you change the upper your still allowing it to travel to far which is no good, I went with this option first but truck rode like garbage so I swapped out to bilsteins at 2.1 and it’s perfect
Which kit from Rough Country? I haven’t heard of a kit that comes with a bump stop for this.
Great video. Was ready to do your Fabtek left until I saw this one. Ordered RoughCountry upper arms. Chatted with Bilstein lifts to get correct part# and got this response “
Bilstein does not make 5100 series for your Ram Rebel. Will send you a link for the correct part 6112 series.”
What part# did you use for 5100”s.
I have a 2019 Ram Rebel crew
I’ve heard that a few times in the past but will say there’s thousands of us running the Bilsteins on Rebels with no issue. A few guys have asked bilstein for specifics but bilstein never responded. Up to you if your are ok with moving forward but I will say I love how to kit turned out on my Rebel.
Bilstein are dumb asses. From your product link they state Fitment notes : “ Vehicles with Offroad package do not use top 2 circlip locations. Highest lift for Offroad package is 2″
A Rebel has ORP standard. They state do not use top two settings as you did.
I told them they WILL be warranted bc you state they are good for ORP. Stated to them that Bilstein needs to update the resources you refer to when responding to customer questions. Lets hope they listen.
From product link:
DESCRIPTION
Bilstein B8 5100 0-2.6″ Front Lift Adjustable Shocks for 2019, 2020, 2021 Ram 1500 New body style
Part: 2×24-232203
Includes: 2 shocks
Fitment notes: For vehicles Without Air Suspension. Vehicles with Offroad package do not use top 2 circlip locations. Highest lift for Offroad package is 2″
Product Description
Bilstein B8 5100 (Ride Height Adjustable) shock absorbers are designed for trucks and SUVs with a front OE coilover style suspension. Multiple snap-ring grooves in the body allow for different spring seat positions, providing 0-2.75 inches of front lift with OE springs (depending on application). The monotube shock absorbers feature a 46mm digressive piston a with self-adjusting deflective disc valve setting. Bilstein B8 5100 (Ride Height Adjustable) shock absorbers provide increased wheel travel and improved handling. Utilizing a B8 5100 (Ride Height Adjustable) shock absorber is the easiest way to level out your vehicle.
Collapsed Length (IN): 16
Extended Length (IN): 22.08
Collapsed Length (MM): 406.5
Extended Length (MM): 560.9
Finish: Zinc Plated
Reservoir: No
Body Design: Snap Ring Grooved Body (Coilover)
Body Diameter: 46mm
Download Installation Instructions for Bilstein B8 5100 0-2.6″ Front Lift Adjustable Shocks for 2019 Ram 1500
Includes Shocks exactly as pictured
Nice just started following you on the gram. I have a 2019 white rebel level on falcon shocks.
Falcon = good stuff!
Hi, after having this set up for a while. How has it held up? Are you still happy with the level? Thank you
shoutout to yourself cause I'm trying to do my warlock the right way and the regular 1500s ds don't have the offroad packages
FYI, Fca markets the rebel as having a 1” lift…. True overall; but this is achieved with the 33” tires vs stock 32’s (gives 1/2” lift) + springs give 1/2” lift (unknown if it is actually the spring length or perch position on the strut). Lots of assumptions out there…. No clarity from Fca. If anyone disagrees, go to a dealer with a tape measure and a calculator (for wheel size calculations)…. The 1” lift claim will become apparent. 😊
So how do they achieve the 1” lift on non-rebels with the orp package? Same springs (+1”)
@@WaterFowler41 I have a 2020 Ram ORP, and this was really bugging me. Stock 18” rims, tires @ 32” tall… still 1/2” lower than a rebel…. It’s the tires and springs = 1”…. FCA on my build sheet just states it as “raised ride height “…. Very vague.
I’m going with Eibach shocks at the 1.8 on Orp springs + uca + end links
@@WaterFowler41 Same as rebel…. I have a Big horn orp, with oem 32” tires…. If/when I put on 33s I will have same 1” lift…. Currently I’m only 1/2” taller than non orp big horns on oem 32’s; More I think about it, bet that the springs are same on all models, just rebel/ orp get slightly higher spring perch, imho
One bonus going orp vs rebel is that I get awd in my transfer case… small difference, but in light snow, which can quickly transition to pavement, like this option vs running 4hi
Question, wondering how everything is holding up since the install?
I installed these on my 2020 along with Ready Lift UCAs & new links. I still have a lot of clunking coming from the front suspension. My question is, with this set up do you think it puts too much stress on the CV axles? Wondering how your CV’s have held up. Mine currently have a little play in them, but nothing crazy.
Thanks man, love your videos 💪
The little play is normal, I wonder if your front sway bar end links are toasted and need to be replaced.
@@WaterFowler41 I also replaced those at the same time with the SuspensionMaxx links. Was underneath there today, those look fine, UCA’s look fine, no contact with the spring. Not sure what the issue is, prolly have a mechanic buddy take a look.
I don’t mind replacing the CV’s if they are the issue, just didn’t want them to wear prematurely again, if this setup was causing them too. That’s why I was asking how yours were doing, as I think you have a similar set up. Thanks 💪
Hey there, I currently have a 2021 ORP truck with bilsteins on setting #5 and readylift UCA’s. Seems like and time I hit a speed bump at decent speed or a pothole I get a clunk noise from the front end. Almost seems like the suspension bottoming out. I’ve checked all bolts and they’re torqued to spec. I’m considering dropping down to setting 4 and seeing if that will help.What else should I look for before tearing it all apart again? Also, great video! Really helped me when I put these on in the first place.
Excellent video and explanation, I have the big horn north edition w/off road and was looking to add the 5100"s without changing the UCA's. I was going to go 1.5" on the 5100"s giving me 2.5". Don't know if you can answer, but what would be the largest wheel and tire size I can go with that set up. Again great video and thanks for sharing.
Thanks man! I can only comment on my set up. I have 34’s with a 1mm offset wheel. If I were to bump up to 35’s I would for sure need to do some trimming.
Which UCA you recommend?? I’m about to do you’re exact set! Thank for you’re vid’s tho very good and informative🔥
With the bilsteins I ended up running rough country UCAs and they were great
@@WaterFowler41 Hi, new subscriber here. Do you actually need to replace the UCAs? I just purchased a new 2023 Rebel and was thinking of doing the hockey puck level until I came across your video(s). Great content BTW! 👍👍
@zerwinmabugat1885 I’d highly recommended new UCAs since you’re already digging into everything, pay once, cry once…
Thanks for watching!!!!
Thanks for the suggestion! Awesome channel with a lot of great content!
Very helpful video! Plan on tackling my 5100s on my 2019 1500 big horn soon! Just curious, did you not find it necessary to disconnect the calipers? Seems every other video they hang them to the side during disassembly… Also do you have a link to the torque specs? Can’t seem to find a legit RAM source anywhere. Thanks!
You can certainly remove the brake caliper to lighten up the hub assembly but it’s not mandatory.
You can grab all the torque specs from readylifts instructions: www.readylift.com/media/installation-pdfs/69-1935-Install-Instructions-2-20-TS.pdf
Hey I am looking to install the 5100 bilstines on my 2020 ram rebel. I am looking to ride my stock wheels the wrangler tires i believe they are 33's. Would this work for my truck with stock tires. Again i am looking for a level kit on my stock rims and wheels. Thanks
Yes it should
I was told that the rebel and off road package that the springs r not 1” longer. The strut is 1” longer
The ORP kit adds different springs in the front and rear. When you buy a Rebel you get the ORP springs + bistein 4600 struts/shocks. The ORP lift comes from the springs.
What other upper control arms will work with these struts other than Core4x4 and RC? Got some Skyjackers but they did not work with the 5100's.
Maybe readylift UCAs?
Did you have to compress the spring even farther to get the nut on top of the new shock? Because you moved the bottom coil mount up approx 2 inches that means the top of the shock doesn't stick through the top bucket.
Negative, I believe you contacted me on Instagram. Hope I was able to help!
I’m getting a squeaky sound in the front. I got the Eibach ones. U think cuz of my lift is 1.8” lift u think my ball joint angle making that squeaky sound? Will the Mopar 2” upper control arms would help and get rid of the squeaky sound I get time to time
You mentioned you achieved 1.8" extra height in the front with the 5100s. Does it mean you have a total of 2.8" in the front after installing the bilstein 5100s? Or just 1.8" in total in the front? Because these rebels have 1" over stock and I'm wondering if you only gained .8" from the 5100s. Please let me know. Thanks
1.8 above my Rebel at factory
Great video man! I have 2021 Bighorn Built to Serve edition which came with the off-road package, I believe the same suspension as the Rebel. Thankfully I saw this video before installing a conventional leveling kit. Question, when installing these struts do I still require aftermarket control arms?
You don’t HAVE to but it doesn’t hurt to upgrade the UCAs for piece of mind. I upgraded my UCAs before I added the 5100’s because I was chasing another issue.
@@WaterFowler41 Awesome man, thank you!
Thanks for the helpful vids! Could I install these on my stock Rebel to use as a leveling kit??
Yup, this (in my opinion) is the best way to level your Rebel.
@@WaterFowler41 why these over the 6112? I’m Looking to level my rebel… Will
I need to replace the uca so i don’t develop the issue you had with hitting the spring?
You don’t have to replace the UCAs but it doesn’t hurt. I bought the 5100’s because they were in stock. 6112’s we’re back ordered.
@@WaterFowler41 awww. Makes sense. Thank you!!!
Great video again. So I am looking to level my Rebel and was going to go bilstein 5100's. I want to keep a slight rake so do I get the same for the back that says it adds 1 inch to off road packages. Any other suggestions thank you
I have a 21 Big Horn without the OFP. I also tow a RV and when I tow my truck sits nice and level. If I add the 5100’s for the 2” level is it safe to say that I will have about 2” sag in the rear when towing now??
With a travel trailer, you’re definitely going to want to add bags to stop the squat
I did the same exact thing you did I have the moto fab 2” spacer currently on my ram with the orp and hate the ride I’m definitely getting these 5100’s after watching this video. Does it ride that much better even on the #5 setting I was thinking about going on #3 since it’s already 1” higher from the factory
Yup it definitely rides better than the Motofab kit.
@@WaterFowler41 awesome thanks!
Do you need new control arms if you get 5100 shocks still issue hitting shock???
It all comes down to how comfortable you are with the ball joint angle. On my Rebel I have the 1” lift from the factory and 2” from the Bilsteins so I’m effectively lifted 3”. This is no mans land for factory ball joints so the RC was piece of mind for me.
Do you NEED to replace them? Probably not.
Is it a good idea to replace them? Most definitely yes.
Haven’t compressed a spring like this before but planning to do this install myself. Slow and steady wins the race. Also, how are your CV angles looking??
CV’s are great
Great video. So I have a 2019 Limited longhorn non orp and without the air ride and I wanted to level it out to take the rake out. I installed the 2”motofab top hat spacers like you had, but now I want the 5100s but I also wouldn’t want my ride to change since I’ll be compressing my stock springs to setting #5 on the 5100. I read a forum where you can use rebel/ORP springs which automatically add 1” and install those springs on the bilstein 5100s at around setting #2/3 and I’ll get my 2” lift with a much better ride since I’m not compressing the spring as much as I would with the stock springs my limited came with. I’m riding on the stock 22s. My worse is already nice but I don’t want to change it if anything make it better. Is it possible?Does it make sense? It just sounds like that’s the best option
So if you upsize to the 5100s do you also need to upgrade the UCA? or can you clear with the factory UCAs? Love you videos man, helped out w my rebel a ton! I have been looking for the best level/lift options for mine, this looks to be the ticket!
On your Rebel I would definitely consider new UCAs mostly because after the bilstein 5100 install, you will be running the factory UCAs at 2” plus 1” of factory lift. 3” is no mans land for most UCAs.
I’ve seen hundred run without them but if you’re going to dig into the front end, might as well kill two birds with one stone.
@@WaterFowler41 thanks, would you still go with the rough country UCA?
Yup, cheaper than readylift and they have worked well so far. They are also aluminum so they won’t look like shit after a few winters (salt and rust).
@@WaterFowler41 Just wondering. Why didnt you change your UCA's when you put the 2" levelling kit? Truck is already 1" factory lift plus the 2" levelling kit is 3".
You are correct about the lift equating to 3”, if you look closely you can see the control arms on my truck are not stock, they are the Rough Country forged UCAs. I installed these a while back before I did the Bilsteins.
Questions did you need to get new control ams with this leveling? And would could you put 35” with -12 offset with no rubbing issues?
Did you add extended front sway bar end links, as your lift was nearly 2” over stock? If not, would you now recommend it?
Yes I’m running suspensionmaxx end links
@@WaterFowler41 Did you ever get noticeable cv vibrations in 4hi with the bilstein level at 2.0?
used spacers on my chevy...nothing but regrets. looked good but rode like crap and was a pain to squeeze in. thanks for the video on how to do the rebel right. looking forward to doing this on mine. nice seeing a suspension video with torque specs! like a boss.
bilstein came back and said they do not officially support anything except 6112's on rebels. other 1500's are ok for 5100. that's their opinion, clearly it works fine and looks great...just interesting to see the disconnect between what a manufacturer supports and what the real world is doing!
Your videos are awesome!
Thanks man!
Good video, less coffee ☕️
I had these installed today, the shop still has my truck they can’t get a good alignment :(
Bummer! I've had my truck aligned several times with these, never had any issues getting within spec.
Know this is an old video but any tips for getting the top strut nut off once you’ve compressed the spring? Same thing happened to mine with rust
They make a top strut tool that grabs the top nut better but still gives you access to the rod. Use heat and a quality penetrating lube.
Otherwise you can bring it by a shop and they’ll be able to knock it out.
I have 2020 ram 2wd I put the ready lift kit . (3.5) but i fell hard my suspension and fill little bump on the rear . U recommend tantas shock for fix this thanks. And great video man 👍👍
I'm sorry but I am not sure what Tantas shocks are.
Did you lift the rear at all? If so what did you use to achieve a leveled height? Thanks
I used a 1” rear spacer from motofab
Hey water fowler, crazy question but is there any crazy risk in having that lower perch upside down? just discover mine was installed upside down on the driver side... gotta get the installer to fix but i only realize this after like putting 15k miles on the shocks, should i get a new pair? thanks
Wondering whether you feel the Rough Country aftermarket upper control arms are still necessary when you do the Bilstein 5100 install for 2” lift over a stock rebel as you did. Thanks for all your work and for saving us the headache of sorting out.
I think so because you’re technically running factory UCAs at 3”. So it’s good piece of mind.
Did you have to do an alignment after installing the 5100s?
Yup always have an alignment after you mess with the suspension geometry.
After three months how would you say they compare to the factory yellow bilsteins
At really slow speeds I feel bumps a little more, which is to be expected when lifted. At speed the Bilsteins are phenomenal. Even my wife complimented on the ride comfort.
It was a good move replacing the leveling pucks with the 5100’s.
Hi! awesome truck! I just picked up a 22 rebel same color... looks awesome. I just picked up some 5100s. would you suggest to still get UCAs? or the stock should be fine? Thanks!
Stocks will work but it never hurts to replace the UCAs while you’re digging into everything already
@@WaterFowler41 did you get the full 3 inch lift in the front? im worried since the RC UCAs say 3inch or greater? and how were the quality? im gonna be running 35s... so i want to make sure everything will be fine
With the 1.8” i got from the bilsteins and the 1” orp springs i was at about 2.8” and ran the rc UCAs for a while. They worked great.
@@WaterFowler41 Thank you!
So will my mofab 2.5 and rough country UCA do same
Thing yours did on my Rebel
The spacer style lifts will potentially cause issues with your UCAs and springs. If you have an ORP truck, you're better off getting proper lifting struts and avoiding spacers.
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Say hi to my wife!
Awesome video! Doing the same thing to my off-road package 2019 RAM. Can you post a link to the torque specs you used please?
I used the torque specs from the readylift install guide: www.readylift.com/media/installation-pdfs/66-1921.pdf
How did the regular Bilstein 4600 fel with the truck?feel a little stuff?too mushy?
Not sure there was a HUGE noticeable difference between the factory and the new 5100. The 5100's excel when it comes to lifting the truck and maintaining ride quality.
Hi great videos, Just curious what your measurement is from the ground to bottom of fender wells with the 5100’s ? I have a 2019 Laramie with the ORP doing this setup with a 1/2 spacer on top so I can get 35’s tires on in or maybe drop down a notch.
The front is 40” to the fender edge, the rear is 41.5”
I have a 2021 Ram Sport. Would you recommend the 5100 kit or a 2” spacer level kit. Thanks.
If you can afford it, I’d definitely recommend the 5100’s over a spacer kit on any truck.
@@WaterFowler41 thanks! Enjoy your vids! Love the truck!
Thanks man!!
Any idea if this would cancel out a factory warranty???
It will cancel the warranty on your OEM struts and possible the cvs and ball joints. Nothing else
Just to confirm, the truck is not longer leveled and still has a slight rake?
Would you need to get new upper control arms for a non off-road package, non rebel ram 1500 when installing these bilstein 5100s?
In general, I would suggest upgrading UCAs anytime you go over 2” of lift. It’s good piece of mind to replace UCAs however tons of people run lifts/levels without issue in stock UCAs.
I have a lifetime alignment package on my truck so it was easy for me to justify doing this in steps but if you are going to pay for a single alignment, I’d suggest doing it all at once if you’re going to upgrade UCAs.
Thanks for the explanation. I have the north edition which has the offroad package on it and wanted to level it out just a little more. Pro a ly 1.5 inches extra. Will I need aftermarket UCA's?
At 1.5" of additional lift you're going to be running 2.5"of lift on the factory UCA. I think you will be OK but if you offroad a lot, for piece of mind, I would swap them out for some Readylift or Tuff Country arms. If you go with the 2" setting, then you can look at the Rough Country UCAs.
@@WaterFowler41 thanks, I plan on doing the same exact setup as yours later this year.
Any reviews on the Bilstein 5100's? Btw do you happen to kno what kind of shocks are on the North Edition 4x4 Rams? It does have the 1 inch lift like the off roads. I think they're bilsteins but they're all black; and they did put HD - heavy duty shocks on the sticker.
I’m not sure maybe they are bilstein. I was looking around for info so I could include that in my video but couldn’t find anything on them.
I only had the Bilsteins on my truck for a few days before I had to drop the truck off at ram to have my window replaced. In the few miles I drove the truck I absolutely love the ride quality. Also, it’s nice to not have to worry about UCA and spring issues anymore!
Awesome video, great job.
2020 bighorn. Put on 5100s and BDS arms on level 3 and now level 5 with the bilstein rear coils installed this go round.... still got a small clunk at 5 or 10 mph full extension very seldom. disgusting....spent boku cash and its not 100%
Nice walkthrough of the bilstein replacement! Have you had any problem with alignment after installing the new struts and RC UCA's?
Nope Firestone was able to align everything nicely!
Do you feel the need to upgrade the rear shocks at all? Or did you just feel like the front coilovers were enough?
To get a mild lift and fix my issue with my springs hitting my UCAs these were enough, but big upgrades coming soon to the suspension department!
Thanks for the detailed explanations. So is the offroad package just a preload spacer for the front and stock height for the rear?
No, the Offroad is package is longer springs in both the front and rear
@@WaterFowler41 1'' longer in the front and in the rear? Do offrad packager Rams have front rake from the factory or they are more leveled than usual rams ?
They have rake, I don’t recall how much off hand but take a normal ram and lift it 1” all around, the rake is still maintained 3/4” to 1” maybe?
Can I get the website where you got the bilstein 5100 having trouble finding them.
In the video description
Awesome thanks.any issues keeping the stock spring with the ride like is the ride better or worse?
I’m getting the 5100 shocks and keeping everything else stock do you think that would be ok.
I got a 2022 rebel and Getting the 5100 bilstein keeping the spring and everything else stock do you think that would be ok......and how’s the ride better or worse .
Should be fine that’s what I originally did
Awesome thanks
Just curious if you had to adjust the headlights after the kit was installed?
I already adjusted them when I was running spacers so didn’t need to since I was staying at about the same height.
What circle ring did you use 2.1 or 2.8 was curious anyone here use 1.7 setting looking for a slight rake after .thanks .
I think the second or third to top setting whatever the top setting was for them on a truck with the orp is what I went with. The bilstein instructions are pretty straight forward.
Those compressors are flexing. Buy a heavy duty pair.
So I have a quick question... I'm about to get my 5th gen bighorn and it's on 18s so I was wondering what you would suggest for tire size to make it as big as possible without getting rubbing or effect the ride.
I’m running 34’s but I also have a 1 mm offset so you might have to do some trimming if you run anything larger than a 33
So on my 21 laramie off road package if i do this do i set them to 5 I currently measure 37 front and 40 rear could i do the 5100 and a small spacer lift upfront?
I’m not sure about the additional spacer. I typically stay away from a stacking two types of lifts like that but yes with the 5100 and your ORP package, you’d use setting 5
Hey, quick question. Did your rebel seem to ride rough after you did the motofab spacer? That's all I've done so far and honestly I feel that the truck doesn't ride like it did stock. I know it's not going to but sometimes I feel It could ride way better. Could this be because of the control arms? Or is it just not best to use leveling pucks in order to retain a smooth ride? It's smooth but on highway drives I feel it can be a bit bouncy and sometimes all over the place.
If my memories serves me correctly I also felt the ride stiffen up a bit especially at slow speeds like driving less than 35 bumps seemed harsher but above than the truck was fine.
@@WaterFowler41 Thanks for responding! But yeah, it does seem fine above 35mph but I guess sometimes I feel on a highway that's not smooth or a highway that has sharp bumps or dips the truck can become a bit unsettled. Maybe it's just the nature of a truck as this is my first time owning a pickup coming from cars. And it could be because I drive the hell out of it as well...
That too! Haha
Will this work for 2019 rebel and do u have a part number
Yep 2019 and 2020 Rebel’s are the same. Link to the kit is in my description.
Now that you have had this suspension setup for a while do you feel any difference in ride quality?
I just installed the same struts. First! The spring has to be compressed an additional 1.5 inches! For 1.7. Scared th shit out of me. Thought th tool was gonna break..I took to a buddys fe shop to use his wall mounted compressor. First thing he said it's gonna ruin ride quality. He bailed on his compressor! We decided to add spacer on stock clip position. Ride is same. I can't believe this guy didn't show spring change..I used same tool..the safety pin won't engage. Spring diameter too big! I'm a retired GM tech so this isn't my first rodeo..getting the spring off is cake..still dangerous but doable. The extra 1.5 was too sketchy for us..good luck. Love the upgraded ride from these shocks! I still call Bullshit on better ride quality..gotta ride like a brick!
Truck rode great when I ran these. Note that Bilstein suggests not running positions 6/7 on any Ram with the ORP package springs.
That said, the 5100 upgrade is arguably one of the most common upgrades Ram owners make to their trucks. Most competent shops can knock out this upgrade if you’re unable to.
I'm sorry I didn't understand exactly how much this struts lifted your truck from factory? not from the modifications you did before. And if I replace my struts with this trucks and my 2021 rebel do I need the rough country a arms or can I use the factory a arms?
These struts will lift your Rebel about 2 more inches.
With the Rebel I would highly recommend replacing your controls arms since 1” factory plus the 2” bilstein is a lot of lift for a factory (plastic) control arm.
Thank you for answering my question. I understand the rebelt comes with a one and a half inch lift as far as I know. Can I just remove the factory one inch lift and use the strut instead? Or is there no way to remove the factory lift?
The factory 1” lift comes from the springs not the struts so if you want to remove the lift just swap your springs with the non-ORP springs
@@WaterFowler41 ho ok thanks. You answer question. Thank you for taking the time.
When my rebel fully extends the suspension now I hear a loud clank. Like a metal on metal sound. My 5100’s are on clip #5. What do you think the issue is? Do I really need UCAs AND the 5100’s to stop it??
Have you look around the suspension to see what may be causing the issue? Seeing any wear marks?
My 2021 rebel does this too. From. The 1st day I picked it up a few months ago
@@DMZRPG well I lifted mine so that’s the reason. You should look into yours
Hey I was wondering if you have the part number for the 5100's u used on your truck
Direct link is in the video description my man!
Hey so I have a 3in level in the front and 2in in the rear but don’t hear a clunking noise when I drive would you still recommend doing the new shocks?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand you will only get the clunk if you are full droop and have upgraded to control arms with a higher range of motion.
That being said, It's far worse if you have the OE control arms, since the reason you don't hear a clunk, is because the balljoint is running out of articulation before the Controlarm hits the spring, resting all that tension on your balljoint instead.. That's a recipe for popping a ball joint. The geometry in this truck's suspension, and it's lack of mechanical stops in the suspension, is such that the best, and safest option to lift it, is the bilstein 5100 shock replacement.
@@patamaran now would I need to replace the shocks in the back with the 2inch puck? Or bring that down to like a 1inch to get that leveled look?
Great job on the research and video. What is the measurement from the center of the front hub to the wheel arch?
Where did you get the ball joint torque spec? Is that from Rough Country or mopar?
Nope I actually looked them up in the readylift instructions.
Im thinking i might run these on my rebel in combination with 1” spacer in front and rear. That should equate to 1/4” rake since the 5100’s alone yield a 1/4” rake and i would still be under 4” of total lift so still kinda safe with CV angle/needing a diff drop. Would be about 3.75” total lift up front right? 🤔
It would but I personally would just go with a 4" lift at that point since it comes with all the parts to safely lift the truck and reduce wear and tear on your ball joints and CVs.
Also adding only a 1" lift spacer on the top of the Bilstein front strut, you will need to trim the mounting bolts to clear the spacer.
@@WaterFowler41 thats true. That 4” bds just looks so massive lol and i hear its stiff as hell
The 5100 “can’t be combined with a spacer kit” (in front) per manufacturer. This is really just a level kit. If you want more than you need to bust out $$$ and get the lift kit. You can add a spacer to rear to get the rake back if you haul loads often. Remember the rake from factory is designed for payload. Optimal max load is when truck sits level.
@@Bob-gy6ud yeah a lot of guys have with no issues at all
can i run these 5100s at #5 on my 2021 ram 1500 off rd package using the stock UCAs?
Many folks have without issue but I prefer the piece of mind of a corrected ball joint angle
So is your truck completely level after installing the 5100s?
I had a 1/4-1/2” of rake still
So in your opinion if I go with 5100’s can I use stock UCA’s ?
Tons of folks running that set up without issue but I personally would replace UCAs as piece of mind
Hey bro may I ask why you went with th 5100, instead of the 6112?? And what about the eibachs pro truck 2-3. I seen your comment on ram forum that you were waiting on that set up
I was waiting for the Eibachs but the issues I was having with the Motofab kit were concerning and I wanted to resolve them sooner than later.
If Eibach comes out with the coilovers and I have an opportunity to get my hands on a set, maybe.
As far as 5100 vs 6112, I don’t Offroad enough to justify the 6112’s. Thousands of people are using the 5100’s and they have excellent reviews. I couldn’t justify the price increase for the 6112’s.
@@WaterFowler41 I believe they do I have one in my shopping cart on real trucks. It says it’s compatible but I’m not sure, it’s 715$
@@NoSpillsChills that’s the regular pro truck kit, I’d want to go with the coilovers system they are still finalizing designs on. They tested them on regular Rams but not Rebels yet.
@@WaterFowler41 ah I see, I’m new to this truck stuff so that why I follow you lol thanks for th replies btw.. but I thought it was a coilover because it some with shocks and springs.. lemme ask you, would you recommend the 5100 over this setup?
@@NoSpillsChills No worries man, its why I make these videos.
I ran the Eibach kit on my last truck and loved it, one of my favorite GM movies on my channel if you scroll through them.
In my opinion, since our trucks (Rebels/ORP) come with the longer spring already there really is no need for the Eibach kit. If I had a base truck then yes I would for sure go with it but since I already have the spring lift, it doesn't seem cost effective to me.
5100's are less than $300 so its a hard deal to beat. Only issue is they fly out of stock real fast. I just checked BilsteinLifts and the 30 they have when I filmed my video are already gone.
Question
I have the off road package on m 2019 ram and I’m getting the bilstein 5100 adjustable struts. Why is it that I can only go up to 2” for the limit and can’t go 2.5” lift?
The ride will be really rough and you may not be able to fit the orp spring back on the 5100
Did u do anything in the rear?
1” spacers
Did that level out with the bilstein 5100 when u put those 1” spacers in the rear
I wanna say thanx for the advice to go with eibach. Just installed the motofab 1” spacer and eibach shock and the eibach 1.8” of lift in the front. So thanx again I love eibach🙂
just one question. alignment after yes or no? great video as always bud! only problem I have is when I take a week of vacation in the spring I am going to be busy the whole week working on my Rebel with all your excellent videos!
Yup alignment and trucks projects are well worth the pto!
@@WaterFowler41 ok. ty. coming from a 08 jku so fully understand that one.
Jeeps are far less frustrating to work on than trucks!
@@WaterFowler41 not all the time! lmao
Ignorant to all this but this just essentially just levels the truck out so there is no rake? If it's level what happens when you tow?
Mine still had a rake so if I tow it’ll be level.