Passing the Gleemox was actually a mistake. I got so excited to see academy I snapped it off and then was like "oh wait, was there a Gleemox in that pack". Damn ;). It just looks so much like chrome mox to me.
cool to hear what actually happened. academy was actually so sick in your deck so it might have made sense - but passing gleemox in a team draft makes it less sweet.
@@stefanisenberger2252 Mirage Mirror copies Time Vault. Activate Mirror, taking another turn. Mirror stops being a Time Vault when your turn ends, so it gets to untap as normal, allowing you to repeat the process again and again.
@stephanisenberger2252 you have both in play, with TV presumably tapped, and MM untapped. You pay to make MM a copy of TV, then tap it for an extra turn. On your extra turn, MM is no longer a copy of TV so it untaps as normal. Repeat as many times as you like
Best griselbrand deck on this channel in a long while… the odds of this deck winning with a two card combo after drawing 14 cards has gotta be scarily close to 100%
1:13:40 it is actually exponential, just a bit misleading in the fact that the exponent is somewhere between 1 and 2 rather than being 2 or above, which means that it increases much slower than the things we would normally look at and describe as exponential growth.
Thank you! I was looking for this :D So, let's say we play suboptimally: we tap our Academy 5 times for a total of 5X mana where X is the number of artifacts. We then make tokens for 5 mana each, meaning that we make X tokens. In essence, we're doubling our artifacts each turn This means that we do go exponentially with a lower bound of Xo*2^Y, where Xo is the number of artifacts we start with and Y is the number of turns. If we play optimally, we get an even better rate.
Note that OP is still right even if we can tap Academy only once, assuming we have 5 mana each turn to start with. If we have X artifacts, then we can make up to 0.2X tokens (5 mana for any token), and we're guaranteed to make at least one token. By the end of the turn, we have (1+c)*X tokens, where c>0 (because we make at least one token) and c1, meaning that we have exponential growth even in this case. It's probably very slow at the start, but as X becomes larger, (1+c) is going to approach 1.2 (I'll leave the formal proof out for now) and you'll have exponential growth of the form Xo*1.2^Y
One of the very best videos on the channel. Loved the other matches you commented as well ! Btw, adding commented matches could be a nice way to lengthen the "dud " short drafts as well (even if it's not something you can do all the time I guess)
yea i indeed wanted blink the palace jailer and the reason i went for guide over ocelot after upheavel was that my oppo was tapped out so couldnt counter guide which was more important also why i did solitude in my own turn not hitting retrofitter was indeed also a mistake
haven't even watched the video yet, but no, the video "It Actually Doesn't Get More Busted Than This" will forever be the best combo deck you ever drafted
Saheeli is also a decent combo with time vault. Not an instant win, but 2 extra turns when saheeli is a decent card already converts often to a W. Merry Christmas Luis and everyone!
I REALLY respect the disciplined team drafting as early as P1P3. I would have been so tempted by the Emrakul, partly because it's my favorite creature, and partly because it's the best Breach creature, but that Thoughtsieze pick worked out nicely for your deck.
Sick deck. I would have picked up a Tamiyo over Urtai I think. Tamiyo is busted with lotus (t1 land lotus Tamiyo get back lotus), it also lets you dig aggressively for combo pieces. Tamiyo also lets you regrowth a combo if it gets disrupted. Also Tamiyo is a combo with demonic consultation: consult for Thoracle, Tamiyo back consult, play Thoracle, consult again.
Nah, I think mono black storm from 2-4 years ago (I'm at the point in life where time has condensed to one big blob obviously) is still the all timer cube deck or maybe one of those early fastbond draw 7 decks, or sige gang commander storm
Definitely a sweet deck but dont think its the best you've ever had. Really needed more tutors, discard/counters, and card draw. This deck where you have two less two card combos but get a tutor, another discard spell, mana leak, and a preordain would be considerably better. When you have this many disparate combos that dont overlap you're expected to have quite a few games where you just draw the wrong halves of the combos. Now actually getting the deck i describe would be quite a feat, but i feel like you have had some decks like that in your long and storues cube career.
Knowing that your teammate saw one of the good reanimate cards you opened 3rd pick, would there be any consideration to taking emrakul and hoping the thoughtseize makes it to them? Or was the Emrakul/Thoughtseize pack just too weak for that?
At 1:29:26, I thought you had a high chance for the win in hand there? Consultation for the key, 2 mana from sunburst to play and use the key's ability would mean infinite turns if I'm not mistaken?
He had the read that opponent was on a 2-mana counterspell of some kind. He went for the same play a bit later after failing to find more disruption or redundancy.
@@_pj7346 the counterspells that bounce his card to hand don't matter in end step, the no more lies can be payed for on either piece, and force seems unlikely.
I actually don't think this deck is very good... I drafted this style of deck dozens of times in the NHB vintage cube and having 8 2-card combos with 0 tutors is not a good place to be. Even a humble wishclaw talisman or imperial seal would've been insane and improve consistency tenfold. I would've preferred to drop 2 combos and pick up a couple of tutors and the mana to cast them.
Unpopular opinion, but one I specifically came looking for because I agree. "I drafted eight different combos and no tutors and marginal interaction" feels like a huge slip from the kind of high level content I used to watch LSV for. This deck could (should) have gone 1-2.
End of m2g3: you can tell lsv plays a ton of cube and vintage because he seems to intuitively know that Consulting before or after the Robber trigger has the same number of fail cases and doesn't even mention it as a decision point. It took me a pause and a minute or two of thinking to get past "isn't 6/30 a lower brick rate than 6/29?"
Funny thing at 40:09, the consultation could never have resolved if Thassas Oracle did, as you would have won as soon as Thassas Oracles ability resolved. :) (Unless they managed to kill her for 0 mana I guess with the ability on the stack?)
I took a break from mtg for a while and I’m seeing these mh3 cards for the first time. 🤦🏻♂️ Jesus Christ the power level on these creatures is so stupid
Title is misleading because I still remember good ol "the 3-0, 6-0 is guaranteed but whats the over under on the number of turns?" Still a silly combo deck here though.
Like with Lurrus and other companions having an extra card at the start of every game is the important part you didn’t mention. You always have it, it can’t be discarded, pitches to blue and red pitch cards which is actually a big deal with cards like Fury, and unlike the other companions has zero opportunity cost to add to the deck, etc. It’s still average most of the time but it’s far more than just an expensive copy spell and it can be strong in the right decks.
@@Nightwishmaster Yeah the cost is split too. Doesn't mean its not still average, even being a "free" card. I was simply agreeing with LSVs current appraisal of the card.
Passing the Gleemox was actually a mistake. I got so excited to see academy I snapped it off and then was like "oh wait, was there a Gleemox in that pack". Damn ;). It just looks so much like chrome mox to me.
Here I thought you were just brave. LSV wishes he were brave enough to make that pick.
cool to hear what actually happened. academy was actually so sick in your deck so it might have made sense - but passing gleemox in a team draft makes it less sweet.
I guessed as much - Gleemox is surprisingly easy to skip over when scanning a pack.
It's not a card that your brain is "trained" to zero in on, unlike conventional Power.
To be fair, with all the explosive combos LSV had, Lotus was marginally better for his deck
Passing Mirage Mirror while talking about not getting anything that combos with vault.
And Saheeli.
That hurt to see
Can you explain the mirage mirror line? I don't see it
@@stefanisenberger2252 Mirage Mirror copies Time Vault. Activate Mirror, taking another turn. Mirror stops being a Time Vault when your turn ends, so it gets to untap as normal, allowing you to repeat the process again and again.
@stephanisenberger2252 you have both in play, with TV presumably tapped, and MM untapped. You pay to make MM a copy of TV, then tap it for an extra turn. On your extra turn, MM is no longer a copy of TV so it untaps as normal. Repeat as many times as you like
Best griselbrand deck on this channel in a long while… the odds of this deck winning with a two card combo after drawing 14 cards has gotta be scarily close to 100%
Best LSV content for a while for me is him commenting on this epic game with artifacts and monowhite honestly
Mirage Mirror is a combo with Time Vault that you missed.
It was physically painfull to watch him pass that while saying te didnt get any combos with it.
great deck, great games... and the monowhite vs academy game we saw between rounds was truly beautiful. some of the best magic i've seen in years.
1:13:40 it is actually exponential, just a bit misleading in the fact that the exponent is somewhere between 1 and 2 rather than being 2 or above, which means that it increases much slower than the things we would normally look at and describe as exponential growth.
Thank you! I was looking for this :D
So, let's say we play suboptimally: we tap our Academy 5 times for a total of 5X mana where X is the number of artifacts. We then make tokens for 5 mana each, meaning that we make X tokens. In essence, we're doubling our artifacts each turn
This means that we do go exponentially with a lower bound of Xo*2^Y, where Xo is the number of artifacts we start with and Y is the number of turns. If we play optimally, we get an even better rate.
Note that OP is still right even if we can tap Academy only once, assuming we have 5 mana each turn to start with.
If we have X artifacts, then we can make up to 0.2X tokens (5 mana for any token), and we're guaranteed to make at least one token. By the end of the turn, we have (1+c)*X tokens, where c>0 (because we make at least one token) and c1, meaning that we have exponential growth even in this case.
It's probably very slow at the start, but as X becomes larger, (1+c) is going to approach 1.2 (I'll leave the formal proof out for now) and you'll have exponential growth of the form Xo*1.2^Y
@@jebooiii6462 ngl I did not feel like creating the equation myself LOL ty
One of the very best videos on the channel. Loved the other matches you commented as well !
Btw, adding commented matches could be a nice way to lengthen the "dud " short drafts as well (even if it's not something you can do all the time I guess)
yea i indeed wanted blink the palace jailer and the reason i went for guide over ocelot after upheavel was that my oppo was tapped out so couldnt counter guide which was more important also why i did solitude in my own turn not hitting retrofitter was indeed also a mistake
28:50 that has to be one of the most disgusting RNG wins I've ever seen.
Merry Christmas everyone! 🎉
😊 Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
that feature match with the ghost vacuum untapping is some of the wildest magic i've ever seen
so sick
haven't even watched the video yet, but no, the video "It Actually Doesn't Get More Busted Than This" will forever be the best combo deck you ever drafted
what combo do You play? LSV : YES
This deck...I'm at a loss for words. Gloriously insane.
that consult was everything i wanted to see LMFAO
waking up to full combo LSV, the perfect xmas morning in Australia!
Merry Christmas man!
A Christmas miracle has happened. LSV drafted a busted combo deck finally!
Saheeli is also a decent combo with time vault. Not an instant win, but 2 extra turns when saheeli is a decent card already converts often to a W. Merry Christmas Luis and everyone!
Almost screaming in M1G2 "no there's still Jace and maybe a blue source don't scoop!" Glad it worked out lol
That g2 r1 was *hilarious*
That pack 3 was absurd. Sad day to watch him pass an Academy.
Love that there are multiple players from the draft chiming in in the comments.
LSV's joy is why we watch
oops all wincons over here
Merry Christmas (Eve) LSV! May you have many magical Christmas hands :D
The whole second game I kept thinking you had a jace but thought it mist have been Exiled, couldn't believe it was the last card🤣
Sparks are absolutely flying in this cube
Match 1 was one of the most entertaining of the year IMHO.
13:35 insert the Plankton “Yes” clip
this one's an all-timer for sure. merry christmas indeed!
This deck was a christmas miracle
that game 2 is insane!
Flashing fanatic, you could target itself right? Since it is in the gy before the ability goes on the stack
I REALLY respect the disciplined team drafting as early as P1P3. I would have been so tempted by the Emrakul, partly because it's my favorite creature, and partly because it's the best Breach creature, but that Thoughtsieze pick worked out nicely for your deck.
Did Z00rg draft those snow-covered lands? JUDGE
You ain't right in the head lsv but im totally here for it 🎉
Truthfully laughing out loud with you. Much joy watching this draft. One of your best if not the best. Peace n
I am getting old, I quit competitive magic years ago and now I don't automatically know what some of these newer combo cards do
The first booster was super stacked
Can someone please send the link to Mack’s Power Cube? Can’t find it myself…
40:11 funnily enough you didn’t even need the consultation for the win here, since Malcom is your 3rd pip - but better safe than sorry for no reason.
"Not the greatest twin beleaver" 😉
he beleavin that card in the pack.
@@bevrosityit’s definitely one of the cards in the pack
@@DiscardatRandom whoosh bro smh
@ I am in your walls
Sick deck. I would have picked up a Tamiyo over Urtai I think. Tamiyo is busted with lotus (t1 land lotus Tamiyo get back lotus), it also lets you dig aggressively for combo pieces.
Tamiyo also lets you regrowth a combo if it gets disrupted.
Also Tamiyo is a combo with demonic consultation: consult for Thoracle, Tamiyo back consult, play Thoracle, consult again.
I think he just figured he wasn't going to be able to play a fourth color at the time he saw Tamiyo
Promising title… don’t let us down!
Before watching: Better than the legenday mono black reanimator storm deck? (I sadly cant find the video anymore because the teamcfb channel is gone)
That was a true all timer, and yeah this deck is probably better
Nah, I think mono black storm from 2-4 years ago (I'm at the point in life where time has condensed to one big blob obviously) is still the all timer cube deck or maybe one of those early fastbond draw 7 decks, or sige gang commander storm
Definitely a sweet deck but dont think its the best you've ever had. Really needed more tutors, discard/counters, and card draw. This deck where you have two less two card combos but get a tutor, another discard spell, mana leak, and a preordain would be considerably better. When you have this many disparate combos that dont overlap you're expected to have quite a few games where you just draw the wrong halves of the combos.
Now actually getting the deck i describe would be quite a feat, but i feel like you have had some decks like that in your long and storues cube career.
38:02 am I missing something? Spirit Guide Breach Griselbrand before Robber trigger resolves would've denied them an exile here, no?
LSV can’t help but root for Academy, even when it’s versus his team.
Zorg's fired.
Knowing that your teammate saw one of the good reanimate cards you opened 3rd pick, would there be any consideration to taking emrakul and hoping the thoughtseize makes it to them? Or was the Emrakul/Thoughtseize pack just too weak for that?
opponent between them also could have been reanimator though and probably just go in their dec
At 1:29:26, I thought you had a high chance for the win in hand there? Consultation for the key, 2 mana from sunburst to play and use the key's ability would mean infinite turns if I'm not mistaken?
He had the read that opponent was on a 2-mana counterspell of some kind. He went for the same play a bit later after failing to find more disruption or redundancy.
@@_pj7346 the counterspells that bounce his card to hand don't matter in end step, the no more lies can be payed for on either piece, and force seems unlikely.
Sometimes you just have to jam and hope it works . Combo often ends on that road
This deck is sooo LSV's! lol
I actually don't think this deck is very good... I drafted this style of deck dozens of times in the NHB vintage cube and having 8 2-card combos with 0 tutors is not a good place to be. Even a humble wishclaw talisman or imperial seal would've been insane and improve consistency tenfold. I would've preferred to drop 2 combos and pick up a couple of tutors and the mana to cast them.
Unpopular opinion, but one I specifically came looking for because I agree.
"I drafted eight different combos and no tutors and marginal interaction" feels like a huge slip from the kind of high level content I used to watch LSV for.
This deck could (should) have gone 1-2.
Merry Christmas!
End of m2g3: you can tell lsv plays a ton of cube and vintage because he seems to intuitively know that Consulting before or after the Robber trigger has the same number of fail cases and doesn't even mention it as a decision point. It took me a pause and a minute or two of thinking to get past "isn't 6/30 a lower brick rate than 6/29?"
Didn't you have the win if you played through the breach at end of turn and played chain of smog in your turn?
dude that game 2 wtf are the cjhances of that
Imagine how good that wishclaw talisman would’ve been…
Bk wisdom proves good
The almost concession in r1....
He can, in fact, keep getting away with it.
1) Cristmas. 2) LSV and broken combo in cube. 3) Chefs kiss.
This is the most Owen Turtenwald cube deck I've ever seen!
lmao i almost forgot about that guy.
@@bevrosityGood, he sucks.
Hey Wolfe, i loved this kind of video! If you did one of these at the end of each year i think that would be super interesting to watch.
this deck is rediclous
Where is it christmas?
The best kind of deck when you can't cut/sideboard anything because you have nothing but busted combos.
Couldnt you still have won r1g2 with jace?
Late lunch
Funny thing at 40:09, the consultation could never have resolved if Thassas Oracle did, as you would have won as soon as Thassas Oracles ability resolved. :) (Unless they managed to kill her for 0 mana I guess with the ability on the stack?)
I took a break from mtg for a while and I’m seeing these mh3 cards for the first time. 🤦🏻♂️ Jesus Christ the power level on these creatures is so stupid
Title is misleading because I still remember good ol "the 3-0, 6-0 is guaranteed but whats the over under on the number of turns?"
Still a silly combo deck here though.
Lutri- 6 mana copy a spell you own and have an otter. Seems average at best unless you build completely around it. Even then...
Like with Lurrus and other companions having an extra card at the start of every game is the important part you didn’t mention. You always have it, it can’t be discarded, pitches to blue and red pitch cards which is actually a big deal with cards like Fury, and unlike the other companions has zero opportunity cost to add to the deck, etc. It’s still average most of the time but it’s far more than just an expensive copy spell and it can be strong in the right decks.
@@Nightwishmaster Yeah the cost is split too. Doesn't mean its not still average, even being a "free" card. I was simply agreeing with LSVs current appraisal of the card.
Fiesta
Fist
Vista
For the love of God please say the damn card name correctly.
Prismatic Fiesta sounds like a great name for a video where Luis drafts a domain deck featuring prismatic Vista
I miss Winston Wednesdays
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Audio??
Dude, the videos you make are really good. But I need to tell you one thing, the land art you like is by a controversial artist