..so EK 360 is better than arctic 420 because a faulty test with the arctic freezer?? you are saying nothing bro... answer is, arctic 420 is way better that the ek 360 for sure.. you just have to know how to test it... it termal throttle cuz you got paid to do so.... get lost dude
I disagree I had arctic freezer 420II. It's bad with intel Lga1700. No matter what with 12900k the paste is not even and spread out to corners which is very bad. Even bought 2 contact frame. So now I'm tired and buying new cooler.
As you pointed out, the Arctic Freezer test was not up to previous testing, so why did you use it for comparison without resolving that discrepancy? It just doesn’t seem like a valid comparison. If it EK wins in a fair comparison, great!
If you're going to test things do it right and keep the rad hose fittings lower than the pump. Good chance your pump is experiencing cavitation which will affect it's cooling...and can destroy the pump over time.
Agreed, the way he has those water pumps he has big air gaps where the water is supposed to be flowing. Also the girgling noise is because of the way he has it setup with the air gap and the pump sucking air. DO NOT instal your water pumps standing up in that direction unless you want to burn your computer up.
I also chose the Artic Freezer II 420 mm and upgraded it with the NOCTUA NF-A14 iPPC-2000 PWM, which at 4.18 mmH²O produces almost twice the pressure at the same volume. The air flow rate per hour is 182.5 m³/h, which is around 50 m³/h higher compared to the original ARTIC fans. I use it to cool my INTEL 14900K and it's simply awesome. The thick cooler in combination with the powerful NOCTUA industrial fans is simply unbeatable. I have the power limit at 300 watts and am far from the 100 degree Celsius CPU limit. I also tested the EK Nucleus and wasn't happy with it because the pump is very loud and the fans aren't that great either. Even with the upgrade of the ARTIC FREEZER II with the NOCTUA fans, I paid 180 euros for it and the EK system cost me 200 euros. For my part, the EK NUCLEUS is not the better choice, because with the ARTIC cooling you get a cooling system that, with a small upgrade (comparatively still cheaper than the EK), delivers far better performance, because the cooler unit is just under 4 cm much thicker than EK's. The problem with the ARTIC cooling system is the fans, which generate too little pressure. Hence the upgrade to the NOCTUA fans and the result is, as I said, unbeatable. The EK lights up very nicely. All the best. STANS Hobbies.
@@panipu At full load, the Noctuas run at 75% of their speed. At idle, they run at around 20%. Of course, they are also audible, but only from around 80%. It also depends on whether the case is on or under the table.
Don’t need an AIO currently. However the quality and care in the EK packaging is enough to make me purchase for future build. I’m all about supporting companies who go the extra distance!
2:20 ugh this is EXACTLY what my 13900k is doing with a Noctua NH-C14S - I hit 37000 on a good day but always throttle within about 15sec. I've tried new paste/reseating the cooler twice. Now running with 2x140mm cooler fans, plus 2x140mm and 6x120mm case fans, all Noctuas. Tonight I manually put all fans at 100%, opened every panel on my case, and blew a box fan straight at it with the window open and no difference. I came to this video because I'm convinced I can't cool this thing with air at all. I'm losing my mind. Tonight CPU package hit 105 while trying to export 3hr-1080p video from Davinci so I killed the job... I just don't understand, I've been adding/upgrading fans for a month. Might just buy one of these coolers and be done with it. Great video though lol
The problem is that you're using a low profile air cooler for a 13900k 🤦, did you expect it to be able to cool one of the hottest CPU's? You need a premium air cooler at minimum - like the Deepcool AK620/ Assassin IV or the Noctua NH-D15, or you could go with the Deepcool LT720 360, which is a budget friendly 360mm AIO cooler which can definitely handle a 13900k.
@@ThatOneGuyC honestly I didn't know this was "low profile", I just bought what the store had at the time. Also the timing of your comment is ironic because I just ordered a D15 last week lol. Hopefully will be enough and if not I'll sell them both and go for the AIO like you suggested. Thanks for the heads up
@@bretthake7713 The AIO I suggested is also quite loud at the higher fan RPM's so an arctic liquid freezer II 360 may be better but I do personally find it's waterblock quite ugly so I'd have a look at it yourself.
Would be interesting to see how these AIOs work on AMD 7000 series as their chiplets are located at lower end of the CPU package and Arctic has offset mount which makes the cold plate lay directly on top of chiplets.
Good video and good review. Between the EK Nucleus CR360 LUX (151€ with no leds or 181€ with leds) and the Deepcool LT720 (120€) which one would you pick for a i9 13900k?
I had 2 lt720's and while they performed good, they carked it. The first one in 3 months and the next one in a month, so I decided to get the EKWB Nucleus CR360 Dark and it hasn't skipped a beat! Both these models can get pretty loud so recommend you tune the fans to your needs.
I recently removed a 9 year old AIO from my old rig and replaced with a deepcool something 500. Years of service are definitely limited, but with these new CPUs you might just have to be willing to replace the cooler sooner.
The DeepCool LT720 is also quite impressive, I have it installed with my 13900k. I do visual effects and with a full core work load and Unlimited TJ max, its never thermal throttled. The EK looks amazing though!
@@jafaralshammaa yes, highest i got was 40500. My aio came with preapplied thermal paste, if yours doesnt then make sure to apply your thermal paste well.
@@jafaralshammaa depending, single run mine makes 41k+ now 10 minutes it's only 39.5 k +- but well I don't know too much about cinebench and aios, this is my first aio, and that pc is rendering about 10 to 15pc faster than the other with a pa120se while making less noise
I have the same EK Aio. It makes that sound about once a month if I let it sit for a week but maybe for 30 seconds and it’s gone. My Asus ai OC to 6.0 on my 13700k had never broke 90c. It’s an insane AIO, everyone should definitely buy one.
Hello 👋 I wonder how this compares to the new Lian Li Galahad II? ASUS ROG RYUJIN III 360? what do you think will cool the i913900k better? what do you recommend LIAN LI GALAHAD II LCD or EKWB EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 Lux D-RGB ?
EK has a reputation as one of the best cooler manufacturers in the industry. They're probably better known for their open loop cooling solutions but they've been making AIOs for years also.
I've looked up more reviews of this newest EK online, and it looks like the Arctic freezer ii AIO finishing lower in the rankings of AIO reviews. Seems the competition has caught up and passed the Arctic liquid freezer ii. The Arctic liquid freezer ii needs a immediate update.
Well looking at performance nzxt, deepcool and ek may win but on noise to performance arctic still wins. Arctic is kinda the noctua of aio's. Yes there are better options but with silence they win
The only way that is possible is that the others are running a much faster and louder fan speed. I have both and I know that to be the case. The Arctic still gives the best performance at the quietest level. I use their fans in my custom loop for that very reason - and I've tested many fans and AIO - properly ;)
@@apotato5563you're 💯 Performance, noise levels and price, Arctic is a great choice, you can't go wrong. Ek and Lt720 might bring temps a little lower but they can be loud as hell
The Arctic 420 is a better cooler than the EKWB 360.. The mounting is the problem here. I have an Arctic 240 aRGB and i am not thermal throttling when i run CB23.. I also have an thermalright contact frame which makes it even better.
why pump so much wattage into the cpu, i get the same 40000+ R23 score at 270w, 81c max, nothing special about my cpu it's just an average 13900k on a corsair 420 AIO. If you power your cpu correctly you will most likely have the same performance from both AIO's
Is there a good article on the web or video that can show me how on my 13900K, i hear alot about people changing settings/lowering voltage and getting same results, thx
From what i see i don't have to worry if this ek will cool my new build. Did you tested it while running some games what temps did you get and how loud was that pump did it stopped after awhile or was it the same?
Those pumps don't make any noise; he had air in them and it cleared out. And he should be the one taking the time to answer the questions that his subs took the time to write!
Interesting, curious and impressive I don't really care about pump display, but cooling capacity, noise and good performance Could this be a good alternative to the Artic 420? According to this video yes. To be honest, I came across exactly the video I was looking for, to compare Artic 420 with EK 360 Because I have few disappointments with Artic 420
Thank you very much for this great video. I think I have now found the perfect AIO for my 13900KF. Is there any reason why I should buy a 420 mm instead of a 360 mm if I could fit both? And could you provide some more insight about the longevity of the AIO? I just recently read a review where, after about 6 months, the pump died and that the EK support wasn't helpful at all. This makes me a bit hesitant to buy the AIO right now.
If there is a large air pocket in the Arctic cooler that orientation will reduce flow rate... Orienting the radiator so that the in and output are at the bottom or underside should have resolved that issue assuming an airpocket was the cause.
I have the EKWB Nucleus CR360 Dark on the 7950x3d and it has no issues cooling it and has never thermal throttled, even in benchmark tests like cinebench. Quality cooler but can get loud when all cores are used when editing
@@theTechNotice I am a profession graphic designer and creator, and I definitely use liquid cooling (AIO and custom loop). I do not like the size and weight of an air cooler, but more importantly, one of the biggest advantages of liquid is when a cpu is under load for an extended time, the liquid cooler will allow the cpu to run at a higher frequency much longer than the air cooler. The air cooler will have to significantly lower the cpu speed to compensate for the higher temps once running for just a few minutes. Something to consider.
Arctic3 420, installation is unusual, but not difficult, 14900k, microcode updated. Cinebench23. Hits 100C at 385W consumption if no limits. Totally ineffective mode, but illustrative of how much the system can dissipate. 255W limit - 78C 200W limit, -0.13V undervolt - 67C, 37500 points in this mode (5.0 GHz P, 4.1 GHz E). WAIDW? Also can configure the fan profile for maximum silence, because 200W for this system is beating a baby. Fits perfectly into Deepcool Morpheus on the side for exhaust. And moved included 3*140 to the front for intake, so that these hundreds of watts do not heat up the insides of the case. What more can I dream of?
guys, please help me. What AIO to get for 12600k and 13600k? My PC case is Lancool III. I choose between LS720 and Freezer ii 420. I want the system to work quietly even when the processor is overclocked. Can the LS720 achieve 60-70°C at 900-1200 RPM fan speeds? Above it will be noisy, as far as I understand. Or in that case to take LFii420?
I have both. Neither one have any noise. His did because he had air getting into the pump, which cleared out after awhile. BTW, the Arctic is much quieter and performs a bit better.
They are going to have to build chips with larger interfaces with the AIO in order for better heat transfer, or something to get a handle on this heat problem with CPU’s. Even if you can get the temps down so that they don’t shut down, running these things that hot all of the time will shorten the life considerably.
360MM AIOs have a much larger surface area, so it will be a lot more effective at dissipating heat. And with three fans on 360MM, they won't need to work as hard as two fans on 240MM, so they can run at a lower RPM, meaning less noise and better cooling than 240MM. There might not be a big difference between them in regular workloads, but in heavy demanding workloads, and if you plan to overclock your PC, a 360MM would be significantly better.
i have a nzxt cracken 360 on a 14900k and in a 10 min stres test in cinebench r 23 my max temp. was 87 at 300 w pl1 and pl 2 all time so......is nzxt god or what?
Commenting after 3 minutes, the AIO is bad mounted. The cables on rad side are on top...........I suggest to watch Gamer's Nexus video on how to mount AIOs. Totally flawed test. Your pump is doing more noise because there is air in the circuit. Remember what Air bubbles do in the water.....
"?Can you get 420 performance out of a 360 AIO?" Sure you can if you want to go deaf! Also, with the issues you were having with that single Arctic sample (even you noted that something was wrong and it was not performing like the one in your editing system), you should never have released this video as it was not at all accurate! I have both of those AIOs and recently ran 4 days worth of extensive tests on them using 3 different cpus (7800x3d, 7950x, and the 13900ks) comparing them against each other and my custom loop. Between the 2 AIOs, the Arctic not only had slightly better temps and held them longer, it was also SIGNIFICANTLY quieter! And a hundred dollars cheaper (the non-rgb version)! Note that since the Arctic has only one pwm fan connector that runs everything (the pump, the vrm fan, and the 3 140mm fans), if you had the mobo's cpu fan header set to auto in the bios (instead of max), you will not get accurate readings. This is not the same with the EK AIO because it has a separate connector for the pump, which will run it at the proper speed if you used the AIO/pump mobo header. Since you didn't share any of that info with us, we have no idea what you are doing! I know how much time and effort these tests take (not even counting filming and editing), and I do greatly appreciate it; but when something is so very wrong, it really does need to be pointed out as people use these findings to make buying decisions. Though the EK is a very good AIO, the Arctic 420 is even better and much much quieter! Hope this is helpful to someone. Keep on benching :)
but also, your setup with the tubes at the top is not the best way to do it, you're introducing air into the pump. Air is sitting at the top of the radiator right at the inlet/outlet tubes...
I think one of the things that hurts the Arctic liquid freezer ii is the pump speed is only 2000 RPMs where as the EKWB pump speed is at 3100 RPMs. Also, the Arctic liquid freezer to fans top out at only 1,900 RPMs. I'm wondering if replacing those fans with 2000 RPM fans will make a difference. I would like to see Arctic increase the pump speed to 2700 RPM.
@@paulking4908 I've had both, and Arctic do a great job, it's quiet, performs, and can be had at a great price. A great all round cooler. I currently have the EKWB Nucleus CR360 Dark, and it definitely performs too, but is on the louder side. The pump on the Ek does make a faint whining buzzing type sound, where the Arctic is super quiet. Can't go wrong with either but I prefer the Ek once the fan curves are adjusted to my needs. I've tried a friend's noctua fans on the Ek and while it didn't really decrease temps, it certainly made the pc quiter so I'll probably look into that later on as I'm not really getting into "loud" territory with my setup. I had the LT720's which also perform and are great value but the pump carked it within 3 months and the next one within a month! Fingers crossed that I don't have issues with the Ek 🤞
Hello and thanks for a great series of videos. I would appreciate your opinion. I'm thinking of a Fractal Define 7 Compact, i9-13900k, rtx3070 Ti, Asus proart mobo with several m.2 ssds.I'm a photo editor primarily with Lr and Ps with some light 4k vacation video editing in Davinci Resolve. No gaming. I have a hearing disorder and want a very quiet build. Can I get away with air cooling the CPU in such an air flow restricted case? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks again.
Everything I've seen suggests you are better off with AIO for 13900k. I'm only getting a 13700k and I'm considering the Arctic LF 420. It seems you can't go overboard with cooling.
That radiator is in a bad position, if you place it vertically the hoses should come out from below and not from above. The air that passes to the pump is concentrated. Check out the tests done by other reviewers. That's why you have issues.
my nzxt z73 360mm cant run i9 13900k at stock bios it hits 100c even with contact frame.. should i get a different cooler? if so which one. Idc about getting a new case to fit a bigger cooler if necessary. Edit i managed to fix it in the bios and the score i get is 40.5k pts with the max temps of 90C at 282W.
I guess we really need to see those new Intel workstation Xeons, if those will be better HEDT grade chips, heat dissipation and thermals should be noticeably better no doubt with that many more cores cramped in
that packaging: it has to be one expensive AIO. Car manufacturers are going to be getting ideas on how to rinse more money from punters for their radiators! My latest Z590/i7-11700K (not a cool-running CPU!) build is using a 280mm Arctic Liquid Freezer II non-ARGB and it's working great. Very low temps running prime95 & Cinebench etc. stress tests: temps have been low 80s max (ambient is still kind of cold here however). I'm very impressed. I've been using Noctua air coolers on AMD builds and AIOs on Intel and the Arctic is performing excellently and is much quieter than the Noctuas to boot! I favor cases without glass sides: I made one PC with ARGB and decided no more. It's great to look at for about 5 minutes and then becomes an expensive irrelevance. I'd much rather have the performance at a lower price and put the saved money to something like a better GPU (or just a GPU in the modern era!)
need to take into consideration the EK CR360 is much more expensive and one other thing: never mount AIOs tubes side up, either mount it tubes down and if not possible, mount it in the ceiling
So basically no one can run an 13900K with its full potential without a custom liquid cooler: Not even a 420 AIO can make it run for even 10 min at 100% speed. Thats a bit odd to learn, since I just bought a 14900K. I THINK im gonna undervolt/clock it a little to avoid high temps. Also im getting the LGA 1700 thermal backplate to help cooling too.
I really like your reviews, you provide a great level of real world scenarios, very insightful. Can you consider the 8th Gen pumps 2023 onwards... Phanteks AIO looks to be a beast... while the pumps have improved it seems to be the fans that can make the difference, also please include the Kraken z73 in your comparisons, as its popular...
how is an aio outside a case realworld scenario?... but sure butter up dat a*se xDD nevertheless im looking for an Arctic 2 420 killer (some clogged dont wanna risk it + its not originally designed for 1700 i dislike reordering kits) and now i gotta confirm those results and watch more reviews..cheers
It doesn't need to be in a case to be accurate. However, something was wrong with his specific Arctic (he even mentions it) and he should not have released these inaccurate results.
@@RKBenchmarker In a case all of these numbers he presented in an open workbench would change considerable since a case handles heat dissipation differently. Even a novice van understand that.
@adillpickle6762 The difference between the 2 would still be equivalent. I've been benchmarking for 3 decades, in and out of cases. So, don't tell me what I should know and try to belittle me by saying even someone new would know that. You spend the money and time and post your results. I hold gpu and cpu records, so you're talking to the wrong guy!
It's a shame with an experienced youtuber, he makes this mistake - mounting with the tubes up where the water enters and exits the radiator (the radiator mounted vertically in the position in the clip). Any radiator is not filled 100%, and thus leaves the pump on the processor without water close. Pity, and obviously inconclusive tests, useless in fact. Hence the thermal trotilling. Sorry for the work done. I hope you retake the tests properly. Only good. No offense.
My 140mm AIO cooler in my NZXT H1 v2 actually performs pretty good. It "tames" a 13900 non k (219w TDP) and in Cinebench R23 it gets a score of about 37k. The processor will momentarily pull up to 275w before it starts to thermal throttle and drop to around 240w to 250w power draw which is surprising since I didn't think the non k series was allowed to boost so much (probably my Asus B760 MB's doing), not to mention I didn't think the AIO cooler would be able to keep up past 200w, maybe the Noctua NT-H2 paste I used really is that good. Overall considering I stuffed a non k 13900 into a SFF case a score of 37k is pretty good in my book. My PC may not be getting a score of 40k, but it's also a third of the size of most PC's that are housing a 13900k that is capable of hitting 40k. My PC is also still really quiet, it's actually the quietest PC I've ever owned.
Clearly your 420mm AIO is faulty. And you really should have replaced it and done the comparison tests properly. This was a completey floored test in everyday. Almost like EK sponsored you 🤔😉. Hmmm I think this need a revisit by maybe another RUclipsr with the same hardware yes? Someone who's not sponsored by EK.
Possibly but I also tried a 420 LF2 and the cooling was bad to say the least. I sent it back and went back to my normal Corsair 360 which beat it easily by 10C. If mine was faulty that just says they have QC issues which isn't a selling point. I thought id try it since Steve Gamers Nexus is always shilling for them. I'm gonna try this new EK w/ my ITX build in a Corsair 2000D as it seems legit.
@@heyguyslolGAMING really, wow! It's such a large surface area as well. Oh well there you go and yeah usually gamers nexus are pretty pragmatic, but in this case yeah. Thanks for the info!
Excellent review, thanks for posting. You have a new subscriber. I picked the EKWB Nucleus AIO CR360 Lux to install in the ROG Hyperion case. Glad to see I made the right choice.
I got a Deepcool Gamaxx 360L v2, dang its rgb fans are noisy! put on some Arctic fans and no more noise!even tried diff fan presets on my Aorus Elite mobo!
So even with the best aio you still get a 100c ? Whats the point of a cpu that overheats on rendering 1 frame ? Shouldnt intel think about that stuff before releasing a product ?
I'm waiting for 15th gen as we'll need new everything to fit the 600mm LN2 AIO powered by an EV charging socket to cool it ;-) by then I will have got my pandemic priced gear worth of my current rigs
I can't believe no one has addressed that big a$# elephant sitting in the corner over there. Everybody sees it, but no one wants to talk about it. When I'm about to put liquid INSIDE my computer case, the only thing that matters is whether the coolant is conductive.
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Oh no I guess we weren’t sponsored by arctic today 😂
So true!
..so EK 360 is better than arctic 420 because a faulty test with the arctic freezer?? you are saying nothing bro... answer is, arctic 420 is way better that the ek 360 for sure.. you just have to know how to test it... it termal throttle cuz you got paid to do so.... get lost dude
Yes , dude smells cash
so I'm not the only one seeing this :D
Sound hella upset that artic coolerhas a bad pump lol it's hella slow
Wow I see artic fan boy had gathered here
I disagree I had arctic freezer 420II. It's bad with intel Lga1700. No matter what with 12900k the paste is not even and spread out to corners which is very bad. Even bought 2 contact frame.
So now I'm tired and buying new cooler.
As you pointed out, the Arctic Freezer test was not up to previous testing, so why did you use it for comparison without resolving that discrepancy? It just doesn’t seem like a valid comparison. If it EK wins in a fair comparison, great!
The test was not fair, the aios were oriented in the death position.
@@kazuviking was thnking the same for both things, but again if 360 doesn't win there is not much video.
@@kazuviking Absolutely nothing wrong with that AIO orientation.
@@kristoffer3000yes there is. Pump is sucking in air this way
@@ppeez how is the air getting to the pump?
If you're going to test things do it right and keep the rad hose fittings lower than the pump. Good chance your pump is experiencing cavitation which will affect it's cooling...and can destroy the pump over time.
Agreed, the way he has those water pumps he has big air gaps where the water is supposed to be flowing. Also the girgling noise is because of the way he has it setup with the air gap and the pump sucking air. DO NOT instal your water pumps standing up in that direction unless you want to burn your computer up.
@@Luckyslevensthat's not true, if the pump is in the head and the head is lower than the tube orifices it's fine.
@@Luckyslevens So in laymans terms, lay the AIOs flat on either the top or bottom of the case?
@@S1N1CAL That is the most ideal way to install them, best way is from top down which helps with gravity feed and maintain better flow rate.
you have this backwards, the tubs being higher than the pump means air is not collecting in the pump. This is the correct orientation.
I also chose the Artic Freezer II 420 mm and upgraded it with the NOCTUA NF-A14 iPPC-2000 PWM, which at 4.18 mmH²O produces almost twice the pressure at the same volume. The air flow rate per hour is 182.5 m³/h, which is around 50 m³/h higher compared to the original ARTIC fans. I use it to cool my INTEL 14900K and it's simply awesome. The thick cooler in combination with the powerful NOCTUA industrial fans is simply unbeatable. I have the power limit at 300 watts and am far from the 100 degree Celsius CPU limit. I also tested the EK Nucleus and wasn't happy with it because the pump is very loud and the fans aren't that great either. Even with the upgrade of the ARTIC FREEZER II with the NOCTUA fans, I paid 180 euros for it and the EK system cost me 200 euros. For my part, the EK NUCLEUS is not the better choice, because with the ARTIC cooling you get a cooling system that, with a small upgrade (comparatively still cheaper than the EK), delivers far better performance, because the cooler unit is just under 4 cm much thicker than EK's. The problem with the ARTIC cooling system is the fans, which generate too little pressure. Hence the upgrade to the NOCTUA fans and the result is, as I said, unbeatable. The EK lights up very nicely. All the best. STANS Hobbies.
How fast are you running your Noctuas? Do they get loud?
@@panipu At full load, the Noctuas run at 75% of their speed. At idle, they run at around 20%. Of course, they are also audible, but only from around 80%. It also depends on whether the case is on or under the table.
@@panipu But I have now found a more effective solution for cooling my 14900k that is even quieter. There is also a video on my channel about it.
@@STANS_HOBBIES Imma check it out. But I just bought me the 420 and I got like 6 NF14 laying round haha
Don’t need an AIO currently. However the quality and care in the EK packaging is enough to make me purchase for future build. I’m all about supporting companies who go the extra distance!
The pump noise Is normal at first, since the Air has been shaken up while shipping. It will stop in a few days
Make sense
2:20 ugh this is EXACTLY what my 13900k is doing with a Noctua NH-C14S - I hit 37000 on a good day but always throttle within about 15sec.
I've tried new paste/reseating the cooler twice. Now running with 2x140mm cooler fans, plus 2x140mm and 6x120mm case fans, all Noctuas. Tonight I manually put all fans at 100%, opened every panel on my case, and blew a box fan straight at it with the window open and no difference.
I came to this video because I'm convinced I can't cool this thing with air at all. I'm losing my mind. Tonight CPU package hit 105 while trying to export 3hr-1080p video from Davinci so I killed the job... I just don't understand, I've been adding/upgrading fans for a month. Might just buy one of these coolers and be done with it.
Great video though lol
300W isn't really easily cooled by just air alone, especially in that package size.
The problem is that you're using a low profile air cooler for a 13900k 🤦, did you expect it to be able to cool one of the hottest CPU's? You need a premium air cooler at minimum - like the Deepcool AK620/ Assassin IV or the Noctua NH-D15, or you could go with the Deepcool LT720 360, which is a budget friendly 360mm AIO cooler which can definitely handle a 13900k.
@@ThatOneGuyC honestly I didn't know this was "low profile", I just bought what the store had at the time. Also the timing of your comment is ironic because I just ordered a D15 last week lol. Hopefully will be enough and if not I'll sell them both and go for the AIO like you suggested. Thanks for the heads up
@@bretthake7713 The AIO I suggested is also quite loud at the higher fan RPM's so an arctic liquid freezer II 360 may be better but I do personally find it's waterblock quite ugly so I'd have a look at it yourself.
on the arctic kit, there are 2 size standoffs, i think 14mm and 13mm. did you use the correct ones? they look so very similar.
I'm wondering if the Arctic was hindered by the tubes being on top.
Tubes on top is fine untill pump is lower ran top of radiator. Bubbles will be on input side of radiator. Not in output.
Well, EK AIO's are known to provide excellent cooling results. Also, I may be asking a silly question, but were you using a contact frame for the CPU?
nope, I wasn't, which means there's even more performance on the table...
@@theTechNotice Thank you.
Would be interesting to see how these AIOs work on AMD 7000 series as their chiplets are located at lower end of the CPU package and Arctic has offset mount which makes the cold plate lay directly on top of chiplets.
Yep i have seen 4 degrees better thermals with the offset mounting
Maybe look at the alphacool eisbaer pro aurora 420 (notice the Pro).
Good video and good review. Between the EK Nucleus CR360 LUX (151€ with no leds or 181€ with leds) and the Deepcool LT720 (120€) which one would you pick for a i9 13900k?
I had 2 lt720's and while they performed good, they carked it.
The first one in 3 months and the next one in a month, so I decided to get the EKWB Nucleus CR360 Dark and it hasn't skipped a beat!
Both these models can get pretty loud so recommend you tune the fans to your needs.
I recently removed a 9 year old AIO from my old rig and replaced with a deepcool something 500. Years of service are definitely limited, but with these new CPUs you might just have to be willing to replace the cooler sooner.
The DeepCool LT720 is also quite impressive, I have it installed with my 13900k. I do visual effects and with a full core work load and Unlimited TJ max, its never thermal throttled. The EK looks amazing though!
I Will go for it for my 13900ks thanks man!
@@lukaskucerik3751 it looks great as well!
Does it hit 40k score on Cinebench R23? I want to take it for i9 13900k but im not sure if it is good
@@jafaralshammaa yes, highest i got was 40500. My aio came with preapplied thermal paste, if yours doesnt then make sure to apply your thermal paste well.
@@jafaralshammaa depending, single run mine makes 41k+ now 10 minutes it's only 39.5 k +- but well I don't know too much about cinebench and aios, this is my first aio, and that pc is rendering about 10 to 15pc faster than the other with a pa120se while making less noise
I have the same EK Aio. It makes that sound about once a month if I let it sit for a week but maybe for 30 seconds and it’s gone.
My Asus ai OC to 6.0 on my 13700k had never broke 90c. It’s an insane AIO, everyone should definitely buy one.
how watts it used when you text it because i thinking to buy it too
he has the AIO in the wrong position the tubes should be down, source gamers nexus.
Hello 👋 I wonder how this compares to the new Lian Li Galahad II? ASUS ROG RYUJIN III 360? what do you think will cool the i913900k better? what do you recommend LIAN LI GALAHAD II LCD or EKWB EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 Lux D-RGB ?
Its about fracking time someone did this comparison!!!!
Impressive... now I'm curious how well the previous gen of EK AIOs compares to this new one.
EK has a reputation as one of the best cooler manufacturers in the industry. They're probably better known for their open loop cooling solutions but they've been making AIOs for years also.
@@treyquattro Yep, I'm aware. I've bought several AIOs from EK. Two of my builds are running EK AIOs right now.
@@TheGameBench you could probably do the comparison ;-)
@@TheGameBench hope you're happy with those :)
How does this compare to the h170i? It’s more than half price. I’m not really so interested in the gimmicky lcd but performance
I've looked up more reviews of this newest EK online, and it looks like the Arctic freezer ii AIO finishing lower in the rankings of AIO reviews. Seems the competition has caught up and passed the Arctic liquid freezer ii. The Arctic liquid freezer ii needs a immediate update.
Well looking at performance nzxt, deepcool and ek may win but on noise to performance arctic still wins.
Arctic is kinda the noctua of aio's. Yes there are better options but with silence they win
@@apotato5563literally swap the fans.
@@Kyvrofn if 140mm the be quiet 4 Pros, if 120mm either noctua a12x25s or t30s
The only way that is possible is that the others are running a much faster and louder fan speed. I have both and I know that to be the case. The Arctic still gives the best performance at the quietest level. I use their fans in my custom loop for that very reason - and I've tested many fans and AIO - properly ;)
@@apotato5563you're 💯
Performance, noise levels and price, Arctic is a great choice, you can't go wrong.
Ek and Lt720 might bring temps a little lower but they can be loud as hell
The Arctic 420 is a better cooler than the EKWB 360.. The mounting is the problem here. I have an Arctic 240 aRGB and i am not thermal throttling when i run CB23.. I also have an thermalright contact frame which makes it even better.
why pump so much wattage into the cpu, i get the same 40000+ R23 score at 270w, 81c max, nothing special about my cpu it's just an average 13900k on a corsair 420 AIO.
If you power your cpu correctly you will most likely have the same performance from both AIO's
Is there a good article on the web or video that can show me how on my 13900K, i hear alot about people changing settings/lowering voltage and getting same results, thx
@@ChrisDaytrader YT Skatterbencher has many with like 4 or 5 different way to do it.
@@RKBenchmarker Ok, thx for your time to reply, cheers
brother sucking air in his pump so yeah, readings are off...
The pump noise sounded to me a bit like air bubbles
From what i see i don't have to worry if this ek will cool my new build. Did you tested it while running some games what temps did you get and how loud was that pump did it stopped after awhile or was it the same?
Those pumps don't make any noise; he had air in them and it cleared out. And he should be the one taking the time to answer the questions that his subs took the time to write!
Interesting, curious and impressive
I don't really care about pump display, but cooling capacity, noise and good performance
Could this be a good alternative to the Artic 420?
According to this video yes.
To be honest, I came across exactly the video I was looking for, to compare Artic 420 with EK 360
Because I have few disappointments with Artic 420
Thank you very much for this great video. I think I have now found the perfect AIO for my 13900KF. Is there any reason why I should buy a 420 mm instead of a 360 mm if I could fit both? And could you provide some more insight about the longevity of the AIO?
I just recently read a review where, after about 6 months, the pump died and that the EK support wasn't helpful at all. This makes me a bit hesitant to buy the AIO right now.
If there is a large air pocket in the Arctic cooler that orientation will reduce flow rate... Orienting the radiator so that the in and output are at the bottom or underside should have resolved that issue assuming an airpocket was the cause.
That was 100% the issue!
@@RReinuno. Bubbles are on input side. They cannot travel down to bottom and to output. It affects only bubbling noise, not performance
Will the Aio 360 or 420 be much better than the Dark Rock Pro 4 for the 7800x3d?
I have the EKWB Nucleus CR360 Dark on the 7950x3d and it has no issues cooling it and has never thermal throttled, even in benchmark tests like cinebench.
Quality cooler but can get loud when all cores are used when editing
6:50 that the sound of coffee machine hhhhh
Thank you for video ! But I do have a question for creator , should we go with AIO or an Air cooler for long-term used?
Aircooler is probably more 'professional' choice and more hassle free :)
@@theTechNotice I am a profession graphic designer and creator, and I definitely use liquid cooling (AIO and custom loop). I do not like the size and weight of an air cooler, but more importantly, one of the biggest advantages of liquid is when a cpu is under load for an extended time, the liquid cooler will allow the cpu to run at a higher frequency much longer than the air cooler. The air cooler will have to significantly lower the cpu speed to compensate for the higher temps once running for just a few minutes. Something to consider.
there's no way
brother you need to re test this with LGA 1700 Anti-Bending Buckle
thx!
Arctic3 420, installation is unusual, but not difficult, 14900k, microcode updated.
Cinebench23. Hits 100C at 385W consumption if no limits. Totally ineffective mode, but illustrative of how much the system can dissipate.
255W limit - 78C
200W limit, -0.13V undervolt - 67C, 37500 points in this mode (5.0 GHz P, 4.1 GHz E).
WAIDW?
Also can configure the fan profile for maximum silence, because 200W for this system is beating a baby.
Fits perfectly into Deepcool Morpheus on the side for exhaust. And moved included 3*140 to the front for intake, so that these hundreds of watts do not heat up the insides of
the case. What more can I dream of?
After lowering the rpm (40/50%), the pump is still audible?
Pump is totally inaudible below 1000rpm.
What’s recommended for 14900K with a 4090? 360 or 420
Nice job comparing these two. Just wondering, what thermal paste was used on the Arctic?
Arctic MX6 :)
@@theTechNotice thanks and what thermal paste for EK?
does push/pull affect the results too?
No, money waste
I would like to see a similar comparison with Liquid Freezer 3 now that it is out.
Does the back of the mb get hot too?
Impressive...Can you review the fractal s36 radiator also??
Would also like to see
Nice Intel sweatshirt btw TG cryonaut (or kryonaut) extreme paste can maybe resolve that little thermal issue
I've seen my 13900KS pull almost 400w in R23 on an EVGA Z690 Dark, though I'm on 360mm custom water.
I have a z690 Kingpin but don't understand all the bios features. What settings would you recommend for overclocking a 13900k?
how about you flip those massive 140 mm fans to match EK orientation and retest?
That was air trying to escape the pump
guys, please help me. What AIO to get for 12600k and 13600k? My PC case is Lancool III. I choose between LS720 and Freezer ii 420. I want the system to work quietly even when the processor is overclocked. Can the LS720 achieve 60-70°C at 900-1200 RPM fan speeds? Above it will be noisy, as far as I understand. Or in that case to take LFii420?
Was interested in buying this but that pump noise absolutely kills it.
I have both. Neither one have any noise. His did because he had air getting into the pump, which cleared out after awhile. BTW, the Arctic is much quieter and performs a bit better.
Do you think it's safe to run my i9 13900k that does thermal throttle all the time onec it get full load?
It is safe, but will not give you as good performance if it were not throttling. You can research different ways to avoid that.
I tried the EK 360 the noise from pump sounded like a bering going out of a motor
FINALLY a clear 13900k tested on the new coolers your a god send.
They are going to have to build chips with larger interfaces with the AIO in order for better heat transfer, or something to get a handle on this heat problem with CPU’s. Even if you can get the temps down so that they don’t shut down, running these things that hot all of the time will shorten the life considerably.
You tech guy always make the same mistake! Put the inlet/outlet of your AIO down and not up.
Please, retest this again with the alphacool eisbaer pro aurora 420, which is meant for threadripper (so large dies).
Is there a worthy difference btwn 360 vs 240mm aio ?
360MM AIOs have a much larger surface area, so it will be a lot more effective at dissipating heat. And with three fans on 360MM, they won't need to work as hard as two fans on 240MM, so they can run at a lower RPM, meaning less noise and better cooling than 240MM. There might not be a big difference between them in regular workloads, but in heavy demanding workloads, and if you plan to overclock your PC, a 360MM would be significantly better.
hey can you slighly increase fps in cameras pointed at you? feels weird to watch
Curious, you a gamer or creator? :)
Heyo, something feels really broken on this upload. The frame rate is displaying oddly and the audio and video are out of sync.
@@theTechNotice gamer, and trying to be a photographer
How can you say 100c with thermal throttle is fine? It's clearly not fine is it
Put rad on top of case and you not experience pump noise. I’m making it with my ekwb and i not hear it at all on max pump speed.
Pump sound says about air bubbles inside.
Awesome AIO! Got one on my 13600k...
I'm who returned 360 and got a 420mm with huge Thermaltake double case ))) My point was to make it quite as possible.
The arctic has a ton of Standoffs for the 1700kit.
one question, is this one better than the EKWB AIO CPU Cooler Elite 360, 360mm Radiator? i saw that one in amazon and keep me thinking xd
i have a nzxt cracken 360 on a 14900k and in a 10 min stres test in cinebench r 23 my max temp. was 87 at 300 w pl1 and pl 2 all time so......is nzxt god or what?
which one would be better for the ryen 5000 series i have a 5950 x
I've ran both AIOs, and also have that cpu. The Arctic actually performs slightly better and is much quieter!
Commenting after 3 minutes, the AIO is bad mounted. The cables on rad side are on top...........I suggest to watch Gamer's Nexus video on how to mount AIOs.
Totally flawed test. Your pump is doing more noise because there is air in the circuit.
Remember what Air bubbles do in the water.....
Cool i'm going for the EK its great they are doing AIO's now i used to buy there blocks and stuff for custom water cooling way back.
How long have they been doing it, I have had this model for more than 5 years EKWB PREDATOR 360
@@ekolog1966 Im probably not that updated xD
about 20 years ago i built a custom loop.
"?Can you get 420 performance out of a 360 AIO?" Sure you can if you want to go deaf! Also, with the issues you were having with that single Arctic sample (even you noted that something was wrong and it was not performing like the one in your editing system), you should never have released this video as it was not at all accurate! I have both of those AIOs and recently ran 4 days worth of extensive tests on them using 3 different cpus (7800x3d, 7950x, and the 13900ks) comparing them against each other and my custom loop. Between the 2 AIOs, the Arctic not only had slightly better temps and held them longer, it was also SIGNIFICANTLY quieter! And a hundred dollars cheaper (the non-rgb version)!
Note that since the Arctic has only one pwm fan connector that runs everything (the pump, the vrm fan, and the 3 140mm fans), if you had the mobo's cpu fan header set to auto in the bios (instead of max), you will not get accurate readings. This is not the same with the EK AIO because it has a separate connector for the pump, which will run it at the proper speed if you used the AIO/pump mobo header. Since you didn't share any of that info with us, we have no idea what you are doing! I know how much time and effort these tests take (not even counting filming and editing), and I do greatly appreciate it; but when something is so very wrong, it really does need to be pointed out as people use these findings to make buying decisions. Though the EK is a very good AIO, the Arctic 420 is even better and much much quieter! Hope this is helpful to someone. Keep on benching :)
Is the liquid freezer 420 not compatible with a Z790 hero motherboard? Pcpartpicker keeps telling me that it may not fit ☹️
Means you need a bigger case since the cooler is big
but also, your setup with the tubes at the top is not the best way to do it, you're introducing air into the pump. Air is sitting at the top of the radiator right at the inlet/outlet tubes...
Bubbles collect only on inlet. They cannot travel to outlet. So no air in pump anyway
I think one of the things that hurts the Arctic liquid freezer ii is the pump speed is only 2000 RPMs where as the EKWB pump speed is at 3100 RPMs. Also, the Arctic liquid freezer to fans top out at only 1,900 RPMs. I'm wondering if replacing those fans with 2000 RPM fans will make a difference. I would like to see Arctic increase the pump speed to 2700 RPM.
Replace the fans with Noctua 😊
But it has the volume with that thicker radiator 😊
@@kayboo5835 Yes but these newer radiators are leaving Arctic behind. They are outperforming the Arctic radiators.
@@paulking4908 I've had both, and Arctic do a great job, it's quiet, performs, and can be had at a great price. A great all round cooler.
I currently have the EKWB Nucleus CR360 Dark, and it definitely performs too, but is on the louder side.
The pump on the Ek does make a faint whining buzzing type sound, where the Arctic is super quiet.
Can't go wrong with either but I prefer the Ek once the fan curves are adjusted to my needs.
I've tried a friend's noctua fans on the Ek and while it didn't really decrease temps, it certainly made the pc quiter so I'll probably look into that later on as I'm not really getting into "loud" territory with my setup.
I had the LT720's which also perform and are great value but the pump carked it within 3 months and the next one within a month!
Fingers crossed that I don't have issues with the Ek 🤞
Hola! Estos AIO son mejores que el Corsair H170i?
Hello and thanks for a great series of videos. I would appreciate your opinion. I'm thinking of a Fractal Define 7 Compact, i9-13900k, rtx3070 Ti, Asus proart mobo with several m.2 ssds.I'm a photo editor primarily with Lr and Ps with some light 4k vacation video editing in Davinci Resolve. No gaming. I have a hearing disorder and want a very quiet build. Can I get away with air cooling the CPU in such an air flow restricted case? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks again.
Everything I've seen suggests you are better off with AIO for 13900k. I'm only getting a 13700k and I'm considering the Arctic LF 420. It seems you can't go overboard with cooling.
I have both of those AIOs and a custom loop. The Arctic 420 performed a bit better in my 4-day testing and was much quieter! Hope that is helpful.
That radiator is in a bad position, if you place it vertically the hoses should come out from below and not from above. The air that passes to the pump is concentrated. Check out the tests done by other reviewers. That's why you have issues.
Just returned my 420 today. The ONLY case that can support it and my ATX motherboard is $600.
you forgot to test the ek 360 with a high performance thermal paste >(
my nzxt z73 360mm cant run i9 13900k at stock bios it hits 100c even with contact frame.. should i get a different cooler? if so which one. Idc about getting a new case to fit a bigger cooler if necessary. Edit i managed to fix it in the bios and the score i get is 40.5k pts with the max temps of 90C at 282W.
Arctic every day...😏
I guess we really need to see those new Intel workstation Xeons, if those will be better HEDT grade chips, heat dissipation and thermals should be noticeably better no doubt with that many more cores cramped in
that packaging: it has to be one expensive AIO. Car manufacturers are going to be getting ideas on how to rinse more money from punters for their radiators!
My latest Z590/i7-11700K (not a cool-running CPU!) build is using a 280mm Arctic Liquid Freezer II non-ARGB and it's working great. Very low temps running prime95 & Cinebench etc. stress tests: temps have been low 80s max (ambient is still kind of cold here however). I'm very impressed. I've been using Noctua air coolers on AMD builds and AIOs on Intel and the Arctic is performing excellently and is much quieter than the Noctuas to boot! I favor cases without glass sides: I made one PC with ARGB and decided no more. It's great to look at for about 5 minutes and then becomes an expensive irrelevance. I'd much rather have the performance at a lower price and put the saved money to something like a better GPU (or just a GPU in the modern era!)
need to take into consideration the EK CR360 is much more expensive
and one other thing: never mount AIOs tubes side up, either mount it tubes down and if not possible, mount it in the ceiling
Hi my 13900k....recomended water......please......
your room is the temp ceiling, and yuour temp showed 2c more after the first cooler
6:54 that's air bubbles in the pump
So basically no one can run an 13900K with its full potential without a custom liquid cooler:
Not even a 420 AIO can make it run for even 10 min at 100% speed.
Thats a bit odd to learn, since I just bought a 14900K. I THINK im gonna undervolt/clock it a little to avoid high temps. Also im getting the LGA 1700 thermal backplate to help cooling too.
Except the 420 arctic aio was not fitted correctly in this video.
This is because he has front mounted tubes up thats why the IO not doing the job.
what do you mean by floor level?
why would you put the radiator on the floor (floor is where people walk and lots of dust)
ah sorry, Im mean front mount tubes down. he has the artic in wrong position front mount tubes up.
@@tbas8741
how is this even legit only 315 watts? i can almost hit 400 watts....
0.5% its not big of a deal to spend extra $ for the AIO and the case because you do need a big enclosure for a 420mm AIO !!
I really like your reviews, you provide a great level of real world scenarios, very insightful.
Can you consider the 8th Gen pumps 2023 onwards... Phanteks AIO looks to be a beast... while the pumps have improved it seems to be the fans that can make the difference, also please include the Kraken z73 in your comparisons, as its popular...
how is an aio outside a case realworld scenario?... but sure butter up dat a*se xDD nevertheless im looking for an Arctic 2 420 killer (some clogged dont wanna risk it + its not originally designed for 1700 i dislike reordering kits) and now i gotta confirm those results and watch more reviews..cheers
@@mustafafink7024 I'll give you my 4 days of testing those two rads... The Arctic is slightly better and much much quieter! And cheaper.
It would have been more real world if it was in a case like the rest of the world uses. I bet the result would have been different.
It doesn't need to be in a case to be accurate. However, something was wrong with his specific Arctic (he even mentions it) and he should not have released these inaccurate results.
@@RKBenchmarker In a case all of these numbers he presented in an open workbench would change considerable since a case handles heat dissipation differently. Even a novice van understand that.
@adillpickle6762 The difference between the 2 would still be equivalent. I've been benchmarking for 3 decades, in and out of cases. So, don't tell me what I should know and try to belittle me by saying even someone new would know that. You spend the money and time and post your results. I hold gpu and cpu records, so you're talking to the wrong guy!
It's a shame with an experienced youtuber, he makes this mistake - mounting with the tubes up where the water enters and exits the radiator (the radiator mounted vertically in the position in the clip). Any radiator is not filled 100%, and thus leaves the pump on the processor without water close. Pity, and obviously inconclusive tests, useless in fact. Hence the thermal trotilling. Sorry for the work done. I hope you retake the tests properly. Only good. No offense.
It doesnt matter as much as you make it out to be.
My 140mm AIO cooler in my NZXT H1 v2 actually performs pretty good. It "tames" a 13900 non k (219w TDP) and in Cinebench R23 it gets a score of about 37k. The processor will momentarily pull up to 275w before it starts to thermal throttle and drop to around 240w to 250w power draw which is surprising since I didn't think the non k series was allowed to boost so much (probably my Asus B760 MB's doing), not to mention I didn't think the AIO cooler would be able to keep up past 200w, maybe the Noctua NT-H2 paste I used really is that good.
Overall considering I stuffed a non k 13900 into a SFF case a score of 37k is pretty good in my book. My PC may not be getting a score of 40k, but it's also a third of the size of most PC's that are housing a 13900k that is capable of hitting 40k. My PC is also still really quiet, it's actually the quietest PC I've ever owned.
Non k series CPUs are not allowed to manually overclocked. But still run intels boost technology
Clearly your 420mm AIO is faulty. And you really should have replaced it and done the comparison tests properly. This was a completey floored test in everyday. Almost like EK sponsored you 🤔😉. Hmmm I think this need a revisit by maybe another RUclipsr with the same hardware yes? Someone who's not sponsored by EK.
Possibly but I also tried a 420 LF2 and the cooling was bad to say the least. I sent it back and went back to my normal Corsair 360 which beat it easily by 10C. If mine was faulty that just says they have QC issues which isn't a selling point. I thought id try it since Steve Gamers Nexus is always shilling for them. I'm gonna try this new EK w/ my ITX build in a Corsair 2000D as it seems legit.
@@heyguyslolGAMING really, wow! It's such a large surface area as well. Oh well there you go and yeah usually gamers nexus are pretty pragmatic, but in this case yeah. Thanks for the info!
Excellent review, thanks for posting. You have a new subscriber. I picked the EKWB Nucleus AIO CR360 Lux to install in the ROG Hyperion case. Glad to see I made the right choice.
I got a Deepcool Gamaxx 360L v2, dang its rgb fans are noisy! put on some Arctic fans and no more noise!even tried diff fan presets on my Aorus Elite mobo!
Nice sponsored video bro asdasdasdsadasd
So even with the best aio you still get a 100c ? Whats the point of a cpu that overheats on rendering 1 frame ? Shouldnt intel think about that stuff before releasing a product ?
It's not Intel, It's the motherboards that run it past the PL1 and Pl2 limits :)
I'm waiting for 15th gen as we'll need new everything to fit the 600mm LN2 AIO powered by an EV charging socket to cool it ;-) by then I will have got my pandemic priced gear worth of my current rigs
Lol
Crap, now these won’t stay in stock anymore for when I need to get one.
It’s by far the best AIO on the market.
Which one you mean?
theres an issue with your arctic cooler for sure. my 13900k has yet to throttle in rendering like that on my 420
I can't believe no one has addressed that big a$# elephant sitting in the corner over there. Everybody sees it, but no one wants to talk about it. When I'm about to put liquid INSIDE my computer case, the only thing that matters is whether the coolant is conductive.