I think the idea is… ok but yeah it’s boring. I think it’s meant to be a way to speed up one’s progression for new playthroughs (because some of the new playthrough grind is a bit of a slog) but it just fizzles cause those parts are not long and are later on in a playthrough *cough* sawtooth *cough*
Great concept but carried on for so long that... well its just simply showing its age Its a 12 year old system carried across like 3 new borderlands titles across 10 years
I think it's okay but I feel like it could have been better I wish they made a free DLC for all the borderlands games including tiny Tina's assault on dragon keep stand-alone game and wonderland where it adds a new character that stands next to the golden chest and he can sell you golden keys for eridium (money if you're playing on borderlands 1) the more you buy from him the more expensive it gets but if you wait a while it'll die down or just save and quit, the character could be a mysterious character like the merchant from resident evil 4 or xul from destiny!
Currently playing a mod called Rebalands for Borderlands 3 and it removes the golden keys, instead requiring 250 eridium to roll and I feel like that's much more fair.
I think 50 or may even 75 feels a lot more fair, I would probably make it so its more expensive the farther youre in the normal mode playthroug and it caps after defeating the warrior, lets say 25 when youfirst get to sanctuary and 75+ after warrior.
I remember there being a way to dupe golden keys in bl3 due to how you get the keys. I went from no keys go one hundred and as long as i had it tied to my shift account I could use they keys on any game.
absolutely, the fact they're rarely released, alongside the fact that the loot you get is meh at best which in BL2 is often overshadowed by other weapons or just becomes useless after 3 levels. Theyre meant to be special but the loot just makes it not feel special at all, a single warrior kill gives better loot then 5 golden keys half the time just makes them feel so useless even for the most casual players.
If golden Key loot did something interesting, I might make it available in the pregame. So instead of your default loot you get a random item to tweak the early game, then you slot into the random number generator for the rest of the game. And if you are having terrible loot drops, you can go back to the start to grab something random and new. Ideally it should generate one item of each type, and you must choose just one item each round so you want a shotgun challenge? Go grab a new shotgun.
Golden keys were a good idea in concept, but it should have stayed only in borderlands 2, the loot is never worth anything, and most of the time it gets sold.
@HumanitysGrace you can farm them buy launching the game online, then going offline, claiming them through the mail, quot to menu and rejoin, and you can claim them again. I got 100s of golden and diamond keys that way.
I think they peaked in TPS, but that was only because the lack of dedicated drops and the reliance on the grinder. I remember using shift keys to get my purples to moonstone grind into legendaries. Not that purple loot isn’t findable in TPS, but the grinder is right next to the shift box thing in Concordia so it’s convenient!
funnily enough, key delivery terminal is bugged on EGS version. Each time you reload your game, all keys, that you redeemed before, reappear in that terminal again.
@@BioHazardAlBatrosIt's been a while but I think I had that bug on steam too. I definitely remember redeeming the weapons multiple times (the tales from the borderlands ones, I think)
To me G Keys have 2 issues, the loot is bad, and they’re boring to obtain. An idea to fix them could be something like Make them good and let us know the odds, e.g. 10% chance to get a legendary, 1% chance to get a pearl #bringbackpearls 2nd, make acquisition fun, how many side missions go unplayed bc they don’t give anything? A LOT! Have it so they can get keys from missions AND they could throw shift codes our way. I could also go into a rant about how removing mission reward uniques could help a future game but I’ll save that for a different paragraph. 😂
For me the main problem with golden keys is that they’re limited by time and they’re profile based not character based. If golden keys were like eridium and sometimes dropped from enemies it would be completely fine and I would use them. The problem is that they are a limited resource that you have across all of your characters so even though I have a couple hundred in bl2 I’ll never end up using them since once they’re gone they’re GONE. If you use eridium to get the wrong sdu upgrade in bl2 early game it’s fine since there will always be more eridium. If you use a golden key and get something useless for your character then it’s just a waste of a golden key. It would be like saying that you have a limited amount of bunker kills ie 100 and you have to wait for gearbox to release a code to get more opportunities to farm him.
@@pw5687 not on pc. Either way I don’t think I’d do that because I think having unlimited purples whenever you want is cheating. I’m pretty sure there’s a glitch on console with duplicating saves but I’m not sure how it works.
@@elliotallison2570as joltz said, there are issues with this system. But I think being able to keep the keys to use on other characters is very useful. If the play through isn't going well, you can just grab 1 or 2 things. For example, it has been a great source of on-level snipers in my sniper only run until I get some good farms unlocked. I don't see how it's much different from farming tinder snowflake. I personally have no problem with it and I don't abuse the golden chest glitch, but if people don't like it then just ignore it or give the loot to your friends.
I don’t play connected to the internet, so when I ran out of the keys that came with the GOTY edition of BL2 I started wishing I could just remove the chest from the game.
just redeem your keys while not connected to internet and every time you load back into the game your keys will be back to the amount you had. this works for all key types and gear given from codes
I find them useful and they work for all games in my experience. I redeem them on the website and use the same code for all games and it works. I leveled from 50-70 on TPS by doing first mission on UVHM and resetting and every few levels I would switch to TVHM where I was in Concordia and grab some gear via Golden Keys and sell gear I didn’t want. I did almost the same thing on Bl2, stayed doing Pyro Pete’s bar brawl from 50-80 on UVHM, only leaving to go to The Forest to get a Bee shield my level every few levels (also for Grog Nozzle once) and use golden keys to get new gear as well as Torgue Tokens to get a new Harold every few levels directly from the bar vending machine itself without having to leave. Also used a bunch in BL1 when leveling up there, you get a lot of the same guns you get from Crawmerax minus the pearls. And on BL2 you can get E-Tech weapons that are way better than a generic purple weapons that scale better in UVHM. They also are useful for grinder material in TPS. This is not only a non-issue for me but was very helpful if you save up a bunch of them before starting a play-through.
The only time I use golden keys is when I'm leveling up, and it's a good way to quickly grab on level gear, but after I reach max level I forget they exist. Also, I love the idea for a magic box.
The Chaos Chamber actually would be a really good way to give rewards, I think. Forcing people to make a build that actually does damage or can survive a long time so they can earn their loot instead of literally sitting and waiting for another real person to decide to tweet something. Especially since, like the diamond key chamber, you have more control over what you get. While the gold key is entirely random, the others let you pick from a kind of selection, with the Chaos chamber even letting you completely control what kind of gear it is.
I feel The golden key system was probly originally set up to be a pay to win set up. They probly saw the kind of heat activation was getting for the dlc weapons and decided it was probly a bad idea
I remember when SHiFT codes for gold keys were only able to be redeemed by 10 users and now we all can use those codes until they expire after a set amount of time. I stopped redeeming codes for gold keys since they're mainly used for early game.
If golden* keys could be earned in game through natural gameplay itd be fine imo since its an extra way to get some loot. However the shift codes etc is not only a pain in the ass to find externally and stuff - but theyre too time consuming for what its worth when they give the codes.
I think many people would argue, myself included, that handing out loot "for free" mostly takes away from the game. As it is right now, this system basically serves as a skip for the shooter part of a "looter shooter", besides, the loot from the box ends up being mediocre 99% of the time anyway. In the end it's both unfun and not worth your time. Instead I wish we had grinders in every game, they could use some improvements but the general idea is great.
3:58 the free loot argument is the same is "you should wet your socks, it's easy and free" "why should i do that?" "it's easy and free" there's just no reason to hit it unless your strongest gun is like levels behind on a new playthrough
@@Fellkun i mean dahl makes 4 of the 6 different types of weapons. So you start with a 1 in 8 chance of getting a weapon type dahl makes. Then depending on the weapon type(pistols for example), you have another 1 in 8 on top to get the right manufacturer. So 1 in 64, not even counting the parts if you worry about it. Its just not great compared to farming a dedicated drop like an emperor. Which is a 1 in 5 from 4 different enemies that are easy to farm
@@sirkelendor5429 dude I'm almost done with the main story and I thought I could handle the lychwood,got frustrated,cried and then did a vladof moze run and it was beautiful
@@Fellkun thats nice? I dont really see how its relevant to the fact that golden chest loot isnt particularly useful at any point in the game when legendaries can be found EVERYWHERE and many of them(even the bad ones) will carry you through at least normal and tvhm
My own opinion about the golden keys, it's good for like early game when you don't have much for a build but immediately falls off the minute you get closer to end game content, and can farm for legendaries(seraphs,pearls, etc.) to maximize your build ever since I haven't touched the golden chest in Sanctuary, or Pre-seq's town unless regarding Preseq's system it was to Dupe the purples and legendaries, for those moonshined legendaries, and free money which does make it powerful, but equally boring since it becomes a grind itself requiring a lot of patience, and character renaming for like spare time, or fresh characters to play as regarding that front. and this was *BEFORE* The Commander Lilith DLC mind you where it felt okay and made sense, but ever since they added the *BOOSTED* Characters(lvl 30) it made that chest even more obsolete, since you could just grab a boosted Sal(or anyone), go nuts and farm everything possible then put whichever items you don't need for sal(or who ever) into the transfer box near *triple "It's TIME!"* Claptrap and just start the process over and over making those key's just collect dust. But as I've seen with BL3's diamond key system, I think it's a great idea to reimplement towards the older games(or newer ones, as long as they redo how it works so it's not so RNG dependant to get the keys.) so that you can obtain key's via gameplay rather than needing to look for a code on someone's page(or video) to continue to make them more relavent to the character you're playing as. But then that is also making me think if there were to be an event tied to the loot box, (using Roguelands or something else like a boss rush as an example would be a good thing to add so that if you beat a run through, you keep what you collected, plus earn some unique legendaries upon completion even if you fail so that it gives incentive to push your knowledge and skill harder to get one of the more coveted weapons of borderlands maybe even ones from the past? 👀.) So that it's a Random chance to occur while your doing some stuff like playing the game get a key, and strike that chance and wind up going into the aforementioned boss rush/roguelike to earn more loot than what was on the wall and possibly adding an excuse for pearls and other quality items to obtain to make it more unique imo. (but also to opt in for it to be not so rng dependant if you're max level 72 regarding BL3 like the Mayhem mode)
I think golden keys breaks the purpose of the grind and the feeling of getting a better gear/loot by playing the game and trying hard especially at beginning of the game
The golden key chest has a real big problem, at the start it's op, but you will level up past those levels so you either get easy loot now or wait till itll be worth it, but if you wait it's not worth it because by then you'll already be getting purple weapons or even legendaries so it ends up just being an early game power boost
Considering most players want to keep their playthroughs limited to that playthrough (like disabling BAR in BL2, or not using secret stash/safe), The only way that I'd consider them a good feature is if they're able to be equally available in every playthrough separately. I propose that they drop from in-game sources (rare world drops or raid boss kills, etc.) as well as from codes, so it would fit every playstyle. They're not gone and exhausted forever, and challenge playthroughs can still use them if they're obtainable in that challenge.
Here's a thought. When you use a golden Key you are presented with a set of option by the "Chest". You have Trivia, Yolo (just spin your odds at random, and Test run. In Test run you will be given a random load out of swanky loot and if you manage to beat the challenge with the equipped gear you can choose some of that gear to keep. This would let players who just want to use the keys get on with their business, and people that take the challenge route a chance to use the gear before they lock in exactly what they want.
at a fundamental level, i think you are addressing the issue thats inherent to golden keys: the lack of effort for the loot. I think your suggestion is good. However, I think that as a concept, getting something redeemable from outside the game to get something in the game is problematic at its core. its part of the reason why diamond keys were better, you didnt have to redeem any codes or create a twitter to get the free ones. A game I currently play, Forza Horizon, allows for the player to receive gifts from the devs through an in game mail system. BL3 had a mail system that could 100% have this incorporated and would remove the issue of having to leave the game or even go to the map hub / sanctuary and open a chest for the loot, rather you just get the item on the spot.
I always hated the golden chest. It's a fast bypass for the entire looting part of a looter shooter. I use it to quick kit characters I'm leveling up, that's it. With a max-level option available, the golden chest is actually useless because I will always have better kit on tap in my personal chest.
They should automatically give those keys to you, once a week, month or whatever instead of having to get codes And here's a thought, PUT SOMETHING IN THE CHESTS WORTH USING and people would actually care about it
never understood golden keys, the only real way to get them is through codes that expire with no other way to get them and they're almost never actually worth it either
I think that a good system would be that you have a chance to get golden keys from enemies instead of world drop legendary then you open up the crate that would be like exclusively legendary gear to make it more exciting
Everything should be acquirable ingame. Very simple. Golden chests should just cost eridium/moonstones and diamond keys should be given out with progression, like e.g. finishing the main story and specific story beats, certain raids and in a lategame progression system similar to the vault cards system. But please don’t introduce gacha-game-like events.
Its crazy how you can pretty much only get purples when the purples arent even all that good. There are still 3 other types of rare loot and they dont give you the chance at even getting any of it, but yeah, i think it could be done way bigger than it is now and make it an entire experience.
No, the Golden Key system is just fine as it is where it's just some extra loot, not another farm. We don't need such a convoluted system for a couple of random extra guns.
This video reminded me to get golden keys... but anyway, yeah I agree, the keys could use a rework. Also, not ALL loot from the golden chest in Borderlands 2 is bad. I got this really good TEIDORE pistol that carried my friends and I through some of the earlier parts of the game. I'd just be constantly one-hitting the enemies with my OP arcing of my gun. It was really neat and fun, but it started to fall off when we got later in the story. I still have it but I'm prob just gonna chuck it in the bank and call it "Baby's First Dynamite" lol
Fuck golden keys, I modded my game once and gave myself 1000 golden keys and straight up got nothing good at all. I love your ideas on how to change it. I’d change the concept entirely and make the golden keys more of a way to unlock Boss Weapons. How you get it is simply just murdering bosses. Have a spot just like the Golden Chest location where you go in, get a menu showing a bunch of unique guns that requires X amount of keys. More like a legendary shop than a gambling ring.
Those are some really good suggestions I used to be so enthusiastic about golden keys during borderlands 2 when I was struggling through the game, but once you get legendaries, it's not really worth it anymore.
In both BL2 & BL3 I personally use the mods that replace gold/diamond keys to eridium. I think I have it set to 200E for gold chest and 500E for diamond loot room. (50E in BL2) No more keys to worry about.
The problem with golden keys is that they are giveaway loot in the game about looting. The vending machine usually have something of a equal value so why bother with a giveaways
They did a Legendary challenge a few years ago for a week where each day you could conquer a different boss in a different area of the game/DLC's and if you beat the boss of the day, you would get a specific legendary. That was cool.
Had my dad religiously play bl3. Hit a few (but not many) diamond keys. It was his one source of getting axton dlc drops, since the playstyle of that dlc went against everything he had built up with in the series so far
The challenge idea was fun, you could even set them weekly/monthly and get to choose from maybe a vendor machine your reward, earning currency for that vendor depending on how well you did, even better if they let the vendor let you roll mission rewards from a loot pool that updates maybey slightly slower than challenges are put out so you could accumulate 2 rounds worth of tokens Basically the bl3 black market vendor with bootleg tourge tokens
I like the idea of the 'key' as a ticket to be a participant on a minigame game show like with the squid games examples you had. They have come close with other game shows like killavolt, the thanksgiving and torgue bl2 dlc and moxies underdome. It would be a great way to try out some different themes or styles of stuff like the ultraviolet or western thing.
I feel it would be fun for the golden key chest to open and be a board game. Kinda like what the Jumaji box opens to one. Then you could have a quick little board game that gives you split paths. Your reward will be determined by the path you take. Then next time you play it you can make different choices to see what the difference in loot is. That would be a fun way to spend some down time away from the shooting too.
If you enter the shift code on the site it takes seconds. Every shift code works for all TPS, BL2, BL3, and Wonderland....you can just input that code for each game. I enjoy the keys, I don't necessarily use them often but when I need/want to, I'm glad they exist
I think that the golden keys in the pre-sequel are the funniest thing to give out since you can just get infinite keys in your shift inbox (the thing directly across from the elevator to the meriffs office). Every time you relaunch the game you get a free skullmasher (on level) and like 20 keys. So giving out 5 keys for the game that gives you a infinite supply of them feels a lil silly to me.
One system I thought of is instead of Golden Keys being tied to social media, they are instead tied to a leveling system of sorts where as you kill named enemies or bosses, your bar increases and once it fills completely you get a golden key. You can either cash it in, or hold on to it and get 3 of them to get the diamond key. This rewards players who grind and it kinda acts like a Gacha Game's "Pity" system so if you're really unlucky while you're trying to grind for your weapon of choice, you can cash in your keys and save yourself the trouble. Randy could then use the current system to offer boosters to increase the rate the bar fills up for a temporary amount of time.
That sounds like a lot of fun. You could get keys by a rare drop from bosses. Have different types of keys, such as shield keys, relics (or whatever they call it in bl4), shotgun key, etc and each boss will only drop that type of key. Like, if you were farming Captain Flint, he has a tiny chance to drop a Pistol key which can drop any type of pistol which can be unique to the chest or legendries/pearls.
I do like the challenge idea, my biggest issue with Keys now is they aren't great for those not chronically online, or having to sift through all the crap in your feed to find. They already have the news ticker on the main menu in 3, how about getting an intern to make shorts/ tik toks, they make a new one, click it in game to watch it and you get sent the key. Everybody wins. They get to monetize their presence and we get loot for watching.
I would love if they reworked it to give any unique gear especially mission rewards so they have more of an end game application, no one really liked backing up saves or closing their game entirely and going through 3 loading screens in the console experience of farming Sandhawks & Pimpernels. I Also wouldn't mind a like XP bar like what BL3 had for the Vault Cards but every time you fill that up you gain a free key (so you can completely just ignore the wait for codes and work towards them yourself) and with that key you get a free heap of legendary items or mission rewards. Would be hard to balance this early game but I think it would be a good side thing to focus on between missions plus you could add some challenges like you suggested but instead it grants (level scaling) XP towards that next key and XP towards a level to ease up on the lets be honest mostly mundane end game Borderlands experience of grinding 30 levels in a row to hit that level cap. I think maybe they could also take a Destiny route and make some rare variant keys tied to takedowns/raid bosses and at the end of the takedown/raid boss fight there's a chest that only unlocks with that unique raid key and in that chest there could either be pearls or raid specific gear (Like if it were the Guardian Takedown for example you would get a chance at the Stinger) Regardless, There's a lot they can do not just with Golden Keys but the idea of a Key in general and I hope they realize that in the next game in the same way they did with Diamond Keys. Because it is quite a redundant system for anyone that's not new and knows where to get gear better than a purple Hyperion pistol and a poorly rolled purple Bandit shotgun.
@Joltzdude139 I might have mispoken, but I meant it more like a "Oh! Now I don't have to wait for codes and codes alone! I can grind for keys while waiting for codes instead of solely relying on those once every couple weeks/months for a handful of keys!" type deal. If you get what I mean :))
What you described for the challenge-boosted golden key concept sounds exactly like the Mimic in Old School RuneScape/RS3! It would be a fun way to upgrade your account and get some lewt ✨
I wouldn’t mind if you could load a golden key in a takedown/raid boss as long as it doesn’t affect difficulty (i.e. locking difficulty behind the keys) but instead kept whatever difficulty is set and just increased loot drops from bosses/mini bosses. That way you can get loot you want from golden keys, you still have to be good enough to earn it, and they feel useful and have a place in the game that doesn’t make a hole in content when your out of them. An example would be you load a golden key into Maliwan takedown and each boss drops 200%-500% more loot including dedicated drops.
I think randy is the one reason this game series have gone to what it is, sad case of hats trying something special, bl3 3 tales 2 and wonderlands, no graphics settings win bad story and other quarky shenanigans
I kinda love your idea for golden keys, maybe Randy should be taking notes because these are golden ideas! I'm just imagining a selection of things we could tackle, so we don't have to do this one or that one, but any challenge, and if we complete it, a guaranteed legendary, if we do very good, another or maybe 2 more, and if we can't complete for the life of us, some random purples and blues... That sounds legit.
I think i might have a cool Solution: Firstly get rid of the Codes but make the Golden Keys farmable like Seraph Crystals from the Raid Bosses, maybe 1-2 per Raid Boss Kill. Now, the Golden Keys can still be used for the Chest BUT what if they introduce a True Raid Difficulty where you have to pay 10 Golden Keys instead of Eridium and you could get guaranteed Pearl or Effervescent if they bring it back in BL4. Or you can use 20 or 50 for a Diamond Key.
to take your challenges idea a little further while still keeping what makes Diamond Keys better than Golden Keys (the fact it's a guaranteed legendary drop) have 3 tiers of missions with 2 mission types each, mobbing and bossing, easy guarantees 1 legendary from mobbing or the dedicated drop of a World Boss (any named enemy that doesn't have a true boss health bar), medium guarantees 2 from mobbing or the dedicated drop and 1 random legendary from an actual normal boss, and hard is 3 legendaries from mobbing or 3 dedicated drops from a Raid Boss, it still leaves normal farming open as an option and your main form of farming but gives those that aren't quite at the point where farming for parts and prefix matters as much a fairly rare source of guaranteed legendaries in the form of fighting easier things. the way these missions would work is that while it is your active mission it could apply a modified Shlooter effect while within the mission bounds. It would also make the early loot charting much easier for those that make those lists since it's revealing the dedicated gear of that boss even if slowly
The additional mechanics to increase difficulty thing is pretty cool. It reminds me of the awakened DT2 bosses in RuneScape. Would be cool to see in more games
One simple way to go would be to have the golden keys be like tokens to play a unique slot machine that gives out gear that you can only get through the slot machine. It'd be simple for gearbox to do but still make it fun and something players would care about.
Borderlands is a game about grinding for awesome loot. I don't want to just type in codes for the game to do the fun part for me! The only times I've used them is when I'm playing with friends who don't play the game as much as me (so their tolerance for less interesting sidemissions or xp farming is lower), pushing our way through the story and everyone's gear feels a little underleveled - usually around the time you have to face The Bunker, due to the huge level jump in the story missions at that point. Getting a sudden burst of blues and purples feels super empowering, but I don't think I'd bother doing it when I'm playing on my own, especially not a high/max lvl character.
what i feel like they should do with the golden key system if they continue it, is go with the route of destiny 2's last wish token system, every raid encounter you complete you get a key, and then you can use those keys to open multiple chests at the end of the raid, i feel like that would be an amazing addition to borderlands 4's endgame, and a neato reference too cuz the last wish raid is absolutely fantastic
Golden keys are cool for a little while as developer to consumer relationship but, it feels like an artificial way to keep their social media and older games “alive” by giving only golden key.
I think the main issue lies within how they’re obtained, but I also agree that the process to get your loot could be infinitely more engaging. I mean, you have a looter shooter full of enemies and bosses, killed/farmed for the SOLE purpose of gaining loot, and you don’t even capitalize on that a LITTLE bit for this key system. Not to mention, whatever loot you receive from the chest, you just have to take it assuming you don’t utilize any exploit or read only feature (idek if that works for golden keys). Like thanks for the loot from this rare key. I really appreciate this Jakobs stock, Dahl grip, and Hyperion barrel on a Vladof sniper. I’ll just go farm Gettle instead.
Diamond armory but with a higher chance of getting diamonds keys. Say like 25% so every 4 times your guaranteed a diamond key. If you didn’t get one ealier than 4. But also could be more. I love the diamond key system I think it’s absolutely awesome and I look forward to going back to sanctuary and opening it up every time.
Somebody mentioned one mod that changed the golden keys to eridium, there's another, Snowbound, that replaces it with 5 crystals (i forgot the name but they're pink). I think the golden keys were good in 2012. Every big developer was doing something similar at the time, Golden Keys were really just the ones that held up (since they still do them). I've never been a fan of these code things in games as it just introduces an additional hurdle to unlocking good things, plus the FOMO from codes that expired.
They should create 'Golden Loot' which appears randomly and only in the chest. They could add new weapons every few weeks/months to give you a reason to come back.
I'd like to see the Golden Keys as a physical item in the games, which can be dropped by any enemy with a rarity comparable to Pearls. Still keep the Shiftcode system, for those who want more, but add something that can give you excitement during the game. Maybe up the odds of golden keys on normal mode, where you are guaranteed to find at least 1 key during your run. With decreasing odds the harder the game gets.
Tennis sent us into kriegs brain for a whole DLC, the idea that a chest ate a bunch of enemies before you come along and now you gotta fight a whole bunch of dudes then the chest spits you and all their loot out.
I would say every time you beat the game you get like 10-15 golden keys and 3 diamond ones, and you can earn more by doing challenges/completion/time. after you beat the game once next time you start the game it would say something like "you don't often play as the siren if you play as her and beat the game you will earn 3 more golden keys" or if the game takes 20 hours on average to beat if you beat in 15 you will earn an extra 5.
Would love to see an expanded Golden Key system. I feel they would be good rewards for doing bonus objectives in side quests so that you are incentivised to not just do the same one over and over again.
This has always been also problem for me. Like sure I don't need them, but it's great to sometimes be rewarded, especially more in the early game, where the purples are still usable. And I completely agree with you and that's also really similar to how I wanted to solve the issue. I basically wanted something like the weekly challenges in BL3 with Vault cards. Because you're not limited to just one type of content. If it was locked to a defeating certain boss you could get bored by it pretty quickly or at least I would be. But if the challenge was defeat 300 enemies with Dahl Assault rifle, you could still do basically whichever content you want. You would by just limited in the how you beat the content. Which sometimes can lead you in discovering a cool stuff. Like when I did my 1st Dahl only playthrough in Borderlands 2(I believe)I picked up and used The Hail for the 1st time and since then it's one of my favourite unique weapons in series. So if the challenges were about how you play instead of what, I believe it could help both the newer players in trying something different with their build. And they would also be rewarded for it.
Would love to see tho golden keys get a boost like special ability weapons (red text) that is special to that pool (or ultra rare drops from other sources). Would be balanced like a purple or legendary, but have rare chance for a godly/funny weapon. BL3 did it well with the goofy weapon ideas and it would be cool to see other games get that fun. Honestly my favorite part of a game is the ability to goof around as much as intended gameplay, so I love the idea of mini games or fun challenges…granted it can be easier said then done to implement it well, but here’s to hoping
I do like this idea, and I definitely agree the system could be more interesting. Though I feel like the appeal of the golden chest is that it provides instant on-level loot, and making the player go through a challenge/quiz could kinda negate that. Some gamers are very impatient and if the challenge isn't presented/implemented in an engaging, interesting way, then I can see the idea being met with resistance. Making it optional like you mentioned could be a good solution, so people who don't want to engage with the system won't have to.
When I first started playing it was a really fun system. I had a few rolls and i saved them for situations where I felt all my weapons no longer kept up with my level increase and needed something to kick start a new arsenal. Later on learning that you can’t get legendaries definitely made it less exciting. And it’s definitely not a system that’s amazing for long term players but I do think it’s great for new players and when a game first launches
The idea you have is something I would really look forward to but I just hope they get the story right if they can make a decent borderlands game that does not want me to mute the game then idk what they do with the golden keys at launch
Absolutely spot on about the keys. Honestly, I'd rather they increased opportunity for drops or to indeed find golden-key type chests, as well as have the Diamond key available through social media?
what i think would be cool is if they changed it to a boss rush mechanic like the peak but if u use a golden key the drop rate for the bosses is increased buy like 20/30%
For the Boss Challenge idea you have, I really like it! I think I get what you're saying with difficulty scaling, it seems like you're trying to emulate something like Terraria's difficulty modes, where Expert Mode Bosses have new phases and mechanics along with scaled health with better drops, which seems like a perfect idea for Borderlands! The only hangup on my end would be "what would happen if I fail, or want to try again?" The purple compensation prize seems good to me, but I think something closer to TF2's MvM ticket mechanic might be better. If you fail, you get your ticket back but no rewards. And for the replayability of these hypothetical gamemodes, maybe offer a way to play them without keys, with less/no rewards so people can practice them, or play them at all in the likely situation that key distribution is all but forgotten about. Either way, great video!
What do you guys think about the golden key system?
I think the idea is… ok but yeah it’s boring. I think it’s meant to be a way to speed up one’s progression for new playthroughs (because some of the new playthrough grind is a bit of a slog) but it just fizzles cause those parts are not long and are later on in a playthrough *cough* sawtooth *cough*
Great concept but carried on for so long that... well its just simply showing its age
Its a 12 year old system carried across like 3 new borderlands titles across 10 years
it's so easy to cheat golden keys into the game that i don't really care about it
I think it's okay but I feel like it could have been better I wish they made a free DLC for all the borderlands games including tiny Tina's assault on dragon keep stand-alone game and wonderland where it adds a new character that stands next to the golden chest and he can sell you golden keys for eridium (money if you're playing on borderlands 1) the more you buy from him the more expensive it gets but if you wait a while it'll die down or just save and quit, the character could be a mysterious character like the merchant from resident evil 4 or xul from destiny!
The challenge thing is a good idea
Currently playing a mod called Rebalands for Borderlands 3 and it removes the golden keys, instead requiring 250 eridium to roll and I feel like that's much more fair.
I think 50 or may even 75 feels a lot more fair, I would probably make it so its more expensive the farther youre in the normal mode playthroug and it caps after defeating the warrior, lets say 25 when youfirst get to sanctuary and 75+ after warrior.
I remember there being a way to dupe golden keys in bl3 due to how you get the keys. I went from no keys go one hundred and as long as i had it tied to my shift account I could use they keys on any game.
@@bruhmomento5528 I mean eridium in bl3 is so easy to get vast amounts of
for all yall wondering, rebalands is a cross between bl3 redux and the balands mod. i only use balands cuz im not the biggest fan of bl3 redux
Wonderlands Redux Mod let’s you use Moon Orbs that you get from Chaos Mode for the Golden Chest, same concept and it works great there too 👍
absolutely, the fact they're rarely released, alongside the fact that the loot you get is meh at best which in BL2 is often overshadowed by other weapons or just becomes useless after 3 levels. Theyre meant to be special but the loot just makes it not feel special at all, a single warrior kill gives better loot then 5 golden keys half the time just makes them feel so useless even for the most casual players.
Nothing wrong with a casual friendly activity, but it needs to be something more if you want a bigger percentage of your fanbase to launch the game.
The issue in 2 isn't the chest gun, the issue is BL2s gross imbalance. Besides a handful of weapon types non legendaries are just unuseable.
If golden Key loot did something interesting, I might make it available in the pregame. So instead of your default loot you get a random item to tweak the early game, then you slot into the random number generator for the rest of the game.
And if you are having terrible loot drops, you can go back to the start to grab something random and new.
Ideally it should generate one item of each type, and you must choose just one item each round so you want a shotgun challenge? Go grab a new shotgun.
Golden keys were a good idea in concept, but it should have stayed only in borderlands 2, the loot is never worth anything, and most of the time it gets sold.
It just needs to evolve more. The diamond armory was onto something, but it is so forgettable.
@@Joltzdude139wasnt diamond keys farmable tho with the pass there was a chance to get a diamond key?
@HumanitysGrace you can farm them buy launching the game online, then going offline, claiming them through the mail, quot to menu and rejoin, and you can claim them again. I got 100s of golden and diamond keys that way.
@@noah9942. but that's not intended
@@noah9942. but thats a bug and not legit
4:03 borderlands in a nutshell
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no lies bruh :))
I think they peaked in TPS, but that was only because the lack of dedicated drops and the reliance on the grinder. I remember using shift keys to get my purples to moonstone grind into legendaries. Not that purple loot isn’t findable in TPS, but the grinder is right next to the shift box thing in Concordia so it’s convenient!
funnily enough, key delivery terminal is bugged on EGS version. Each time you reload your game, all keys, that you redeemed before, reappear in that terminal again.
really? like, as many times as you want, and its repeatable?@@BioHazardAlBatros
@@BioHazardAlBatrosIt's been a while but I think I had that bug on steam too. I definitely remember redeeming the weapons multiple times (the tales from the borderlands ones, I think)
@@walnutguybutcool yes
@@BioHazardAlBatrosThanks I was so confused.
To me G Keys have 2 issues, the loot is bad, and they’re boring to obtain. An idea to fix them could be something like
Make them good and let us know the odds, e.g. 10% chance to get a legendary, 1% chance to get a pearl #bringbackpearls
2nd, make acquisition fun, how many side missions go unplayed bc they don’t give anything? A LOT! Have it so they can get keys from missions AND they could throw shift codes our way. I could also go into a rant about how removing mission reward uniques could help a future game but I’ll save that for a different paragraph. 😂
Hi gasmask
For me the main problem with golden keys is that they’re limited by time and they’re profile based not character based. If golden keys were like eridium and sometimes dropped from enemies it would be completely fine and I would use them. The problem is that they are a limited resource that you have across all of your characters so even though I have a couple hundred in bl2 I’ll never end up using them since once they’re gone they’re GONE. If you use eridium to get the wrong sdu upgrade in bl2 early game it’s fine since there will always be more eridium. If you use a golden key and get something useless for your character then it’s just a waste of a golden key. It would be like saying that you have a limited amount of bunker kills ie 100 and you have to wait for gearbox to release a code to get more opportunities to farm him.
If your on PC, set profile.bin to read only and you can keep the keys
@@pw5687 does that really still work?
@@pw5687 not on pc. Either way I don’t think I’d do that because I think having unlimited purples whenever you want is cheating. I’m pretty sure there’s a glitch on console with duplicating saves but I’m not sure how it works.
@@nyx7694 yes, I used it yesterday and have done the whole time I've been playing. It works the same as when you do normal read only farming.
@@elliotallison2570as joltz said, there are issues with this system. But I think being able to keep the keys to use on other characters is very useful. If the play through isn't going well, you can just grab 1 or 2 things. For example, it has been a great source of on-level snipers in my sniper only run until I get some good farms unlocked. I don't see how it's much different from farming tinder snowflake. I personally have no problem with it and I don't abuse the golden chest glitch, but if people don't like it then just ignore it or give the loot to your friends.
Idea: Make golden keys pull from a unique item pool exclusive to the chest. Then make the keys given out very rarely but refresh each playthrough.
I don’t play connected to the internet, so when I ran out of the keys that came with the GOTY edition of BL2 I started wishing I could just remove the chest from the game.
If I ever want to use golden keys, I just use cheat engine to use however many I want with less effort than entering even one code.
I just set the file to read only and never use up my keys even after using them over and over.
Yup.
How did you do it? Whenever I use cheat engine, it can never detect key changes (other than BL3)
@@zyxwv I always just used Gibbed
just redeem your keys while not connected to internet and every time you load back into the game your keys will be back to the amount you had. this works for all key types and gear given from codes
"nothing against randy" i think theres plenty of things to hold against randy personally
I have a neutral opinion of it, I'm just glad they don't sell keys for real money
I find them useful and they work for all games in my experience. I redeem them on the website and use the same code for all games and it works. I leveled from 50-70 on TPS by doing first mission on UVHM and resetting and every few levels I would switch to TVHM where I was in Concordia and grab some gear via Golden Keys and sell gear I didn’t want. I did almost the same thing on Bl2, stayed doing Pyro Pete’s bar brawl from 50-80 on UVHM, only leaving to go to The Forest to get a Bee shield my level every few levels (also for Grog Nozzle once) and use golden keys to get new gear as well as Torgue Tokens to get a new Harold every few levels directly from the bar vending machine itself without having to leave. Also used a bunch in BL1 when leveling up there, you get a lot of the same guns you get from Crawmerax minus the pearls. And on BL2 you can get E-Tech weapons that are way better than a generic purple weapons that scale better in UVHM. They also are useful for grinder material in TPS. This is not only a non-issue for me but was very helpful if you save up a bunch of them before starting a play-through.
"Greasy Randy" - Civvie11 2022.
The only time I use golden keys is when I'm leveling up, and it's a good way to quickly grab on level gear, but after I reach max level I forget they exist. Also, I love the idea for a magic box.
It definitely feels bad imo
It could be such a cool experience
The Chaos Chamber actually would be a really good way to give rewards, I think. Forcing people to make a build that actually does damage or can survive a long time so they can earn their loot instead of literally sitting and waiting for another real person to decide to tweet something. Especially since, like the diamond key chamber, you have more control over what you get. While the gold key is entirely random, the others let you pick from a kind of selection, with the Chaos chamber even letting you completely control what kind of gear it is.
I feel
The golden key system was probly originally set up to be a pay to win set up. They probly saw the kind of heat activation was getting for the dlc weapons and decided it was probly a bad idea
I remember when SHiFT codes for gold keys were only able to be redeemed by 10 users and now we all can use those codes until they expire after a set amount of time. I stopped redeeming codes for gold keys since they're mainly used for early game.
If golden* keys could be earned in game through natural gameplay itd be fine imo since its an extra way to get some loot. However the shift codes etc is not only a pain in the ass to find externally and stuff - but theyre too time consuming for what its worth when they give the codes.
I think many people would argue, myself included, that handing out loot "for free" mostly takes away from the game. As it is right now, this system basically serves as a skip for the shooter part of a "looter shooter", besides, the loot from the box ends up being mediocre 99% of the time anyway. In the end it's both unfun and not worth your time.
Instead I wish we had grinders in every game, they could use some improvements but the general idea is great.
3:58 the free loot argument is the same is "you should wet your socks, it's easy and free" "why should i do that?" "it's easy and free"
there's just no reason to hit it unless your strongest gun is like levels behind on a new playthrough
Or you're doing a dahl only run and you need some good guns
@@Fellkun i mean dahl makes 4 of the 6 different types of weapons. So you start with a 1 in 8 chance of getting a weapon type dahl makes. Then depending on the weapon type(pistols for example), you have another 1 in 8 on top to get the right manufacturer. So 1 in 64, not even counting the parts if you worry about it. Its just not great compared to farming a dedicated drop like an emperor. Which is a 1 in 5 from 4 different enemies that are easy to farm
@@sirkelendor5429 dude I'm almost done with the main story and I thought I could handle the lychwood,got frustrated,cried and then did a vladof moze run and it was beautiful
@@Fellkun thats nice? I dont really see how its relevant to the fact that golden chest loot isnt particularly useful at any point in the game when legendaries can be found EVERYWHERE and many of them(even the bad ones) will carry you through at least normal and tvhm
golden keys should have been earnable in-game; like a drop from loot migets, or from safes & rarely from minisafes.
My own opinion about the golden keys, it's good for like early game when you don't have much for a build but immediately falls off the minute you get closer to end game content, and can farm for legendaries(seraphs,pearls, etc.) to maximize your build ever since I haven't touched the golden chest in Sanctuary, or Pre-seq's town unless regarding Preseq's system it was to Dupe the purples and legendaries, for those moonshined legendaries, and free money which does make it powerful, but equally boring since it becomes a grind itself requiring a lot of patience, and character renaming for like spare time, or fresh characters to play as regarding that front.
and this was *BEFORE* The Commander Lilith DLC mind you where it felt okay and made sense, but ever since they added the *BOOSTED* Characters(lvl 30) it made that chest even more obsolete, since you could just grab a boosted Sal(or anyone), go nuts and farm everything possible then put whichever items you don't need for sal(or who ever) into the transfer box near *triple "It's TIME!"* Claptrap and just start the process over and over making those key's just collect dust.
But as I've seen with BL3's diamond key system, I think it's a great idea to reimplement towards the older games(or newer ones, as long as they redo how it works so it's not so RNG dependant to get the keys.) so that you can obtain key's via gameplay rather than needing to look for a code on someone's page(or video) to continue to make them more relavent to the character you're playing as.
But then that is also making me think if there were to be an event tied to the loot box, (using Roguelands or something else like a boss rush as an example would be a good thing to add so that if you beat a run through, you keep what you collected, plus earn some unique legendaries upon completion even if you fail so that it gives incentive to push your knowledge and skill harder to get one of the more coveted weapons of borderlands maybe even ones from the past? 👀.) So that it's a Random chance to occur while your doing some stuff like playing the game get a key, and strike that chance and wind up going into the aforementioned boss rush/roguelike to earn more loot than what was on the wall and possibly adding an excuse for pearls and other quality items to obtain to make it more unique imo. (but also to opt in for it to be not so rng dependant if you're max level 72 regarding BL3 like the Mayhem mode)
I think golden keys breaks the purpose of the grind and the feeling of getting a better gear/loot by playing the game and trying hard especially at beginning of the game
The golden key chest has a real big problem, at the start it's op, but you will level up past those levels so you either get easy loot now or wait till itll be worth it, but if you wait it's not worth it because by then you'll already be getting purple weapons or even legendaries so it ends up just being an early game power boost
I don't see the problem here. So it's an early game boost if you choose to use it
Considering most players want to keep their playthroughs limited to that playthrough (like disabling BAR in BL2, or not using secret stash/safe), The only way that I'd consider them a good feature is if they're able to be equally available in every playthrough separately. I propose that they drop from in-game sources (rare world drops or raid boss kills, etc.) as well as from codes, so it would fit every playstyle. They're not gone and exhausted forever, and challenge playthroughs can still use them if they're obtainable in that challenge.
Here's a thought. When you use a golden Key you are presented with a set of option by the "Chest". You have Trivia, Yolo (just spin your odds at random, and Test run. In Test run you will be given a random load out of swanky loot and if you manage to beat the challenge with the equipped gear you can choose some of that gear to keep.
This would let players who just want to use the keys get on with their business, and people that take the challenge route a chance to use the gear before they lock in exactly what they want.
at a fundamental level, i think you are addressing the issue thats inherent to golden keys: the lack of effort for the loot. I think your suggestion is good.
However, I think that as a concept, getting something redeemable from outside the game to get something in the game is problematic at its core. its part of the reason why diamond keys were better, you didnt have to redeem any codes or create a twitter to get the free ones.
A game I currently play, Forza Horizon, allows for the player to receive gifts from the devs through an in game mail system. BL3 had a mail system that could 100% have this incorporated and would remove the issue of having to leave the game or even go to the map hub / sanctuary and open a chest for the loot, rather you just get the item on the spot.
I always hated the golden chest. It's a fast bypass for the entire looting part of a looter shooter.
I use it to quick kit characters I'm leveling up, that's it. With a max-level option available, the golden chest is actually useless because I will always have better kit on tap in my personal chest.
They should automatically give those keys to you, once a week, month or whatever instead of having to get codes
And here's a thought, PUT SOMETHING IN THE CHESTS WORTH USING and people would actually care about it
never understood golden keys, the only real way to get them is through codes that expire with no other way to get them and they're almost never actually worth it either
I think that a good system would be that you have a chance to get golden keys from enemies instead of world drop legendary then you open up the crate that would be like exclusively legendary gear to make it more exciting
Everything should be acquirable ingame. Very simple.
Golden chests should just cost eridium/moonstones and diamond keys should be given out with progression, like e.g. finishing the main story and specific story beats, certain raids and in a lategame progression system similar to the vault cards system.
But please don’t introduce gacha-game-like events.
The background gameplay looks how playing borderlands in a dream feels like
I'd vote for Joltz as the CEO of Gearbox, heck even president lol.
And get Borderlands 2 released every 3 years yeah no thanks
@@Jumzaaa im down for BL2 for the next 2 decades yessir
@@Jumzaaa better than having a alphabet people prasing game without rare loot and shitty story
Better then the current Grease lord Randy
4:25 Tannis presents Pandora's Box of Treasure and Tribulations
Its crazy how you can pretty much only get purples when the purples arent even all that good. There are still 3 other types of rare loot and they dont give you the chance at even getting any of it, but yeah, i think it could be done way bigger than it is now and make it an entire experience.
No, the Golden Key system is just fine as it is where it's just some extra loot, not another farm. We don't need such a convoluted system for a couple of random extra guns.
Not to mention the guns out of the chest are usually terrible anyway
This video reminded me to get golden keys... but anyway, yeah I agree, the keys could use a rework.
Also, not ALL loot from the golden chest in Borderlands 2 is bad. I got this really good TEIDORE pistol that carried my friends and I through some of the earlier parts of the game. I'd just be constantly one-hitting the enemies with my OP arcing of my gun. It was really neat and fun, but it started to fall off when we got later in the story. I still have it but I'm prob just gonna chuck it in the bank and call it "Baby's First Dynamite" lol
I love this new challenge key idea! It's like a fun and brief version of the wonderlands chaos chamber
Fuck golden keys, I modded my game once and gave myself 1000 golden keys and straight up got nothing good at all.
I love your ideas on how to change it.
I’d change the concept entirely and make the golden keys more of a way to unlock Boss Weapons. How you get it is simply just murdering bosses. Have a spot just like the Golden Chest location where you go in, get a menu showing a bunch of unique guns that requires X amount of keys. More like a legendary shop than a gambling ring.
Personally the eridium system in a lot of mods is my fav fix for this
Those are some really good suggestions I used to be so enthusiastic about golden keys during borderlands 2 when I was struggling through the game, but once you get legendaries, it's not really worth it anymore.
I love this new content that joltz has been making recently. Thank you for always providing high quality entertainment and information :)
In both BL2 & BL3 I personally use the mods that replace gold/diamond keys to eridium.
I think I have it set to 200E for gold chest and 500E for diamond loot room. (50E in BL2)
No more keys to worry about.
The diamond keys can also come from vault card chests, I got a few recently when I started playing bl3 again but it’s also very rare
Golden keys will 1000% be microtransaction pay to win trash in BL4
BL3 redux did a good job, the golden chest was changed and needs eridium. No more need to follow some guys on that stupid X I avoid at all costs.
The problem with golden keys is that they are giveaway loot in the game about looting. The vending machine usually have something of a equal value so why bother with a giveaways
They did a Legendary challenge a few years ago for a week where each day you could conquer a different boss in a different area of the game/DLC's and if you beat the boss of the day, you would get a specific legendary. That was cool.
The golden chest was the start to my gambling addiction
Had my dad religiously play bl3. Hit a few (but not many) diamond keys.
It was his one source of getting axton dlc drops, since the playstyle of that dlc went against everything he had built up with in the series so far
The challenge idea was fun, you could even set them weekly/monthly and get to choose from maybe a vendor machine your reward, earning currency for that vendor depending on how well you did, even better if they let the vendor let you roll mission rewards from a loot pool that updates maybey slightly slower than challenges are put out so you could accumulate 2 rounds worth of tokens
Basically the bl3 black market vendor with bootleg tourge tokens
I like the idea of the 'key' as a ticket to be a participant on a minigame game show like with the squid games examples you had. They have come close with other game shows like killavolt, the thanksgiving and torgue bl2 dlc and moxies underdome. It would be a great way to try out some different themes or styles of stuff like the ultraviolet or western thing.
I feel it would be fun for the golden key chest to open and be a board game. Kinda like what the Jumaji box opens to one. Then you could have a quick little board game that gives you split paths. Your reward will be determined by the path you take. Then next time you play it you can make different choices to see what the difference in loot is. That would be a fun way to spend some down time away from the shooting too.
If you enter the shift code on the site it takes seconds. Every shift code works for all TPS, BL2, BL3, and Wonderland....you can just input that code for each game.
I enjoy the keys, I don't necessarily use them often but when I need/want to, I'm glad they exist
I think that the golden keys in the pre-sequel are the funniest thing to give out since you can just get infinite keys in your shift inbox (the thing directly across from the elevator to the meriffs office). Every time you relaunch the game you get a free skullmasher (on level) and like 20 keys. So giving out 5 keys for the game that gives you a infinite supply of them feels a lil silly to me.
One system I thought of is instead of Golden Keys being tied to social media, they are instead tied to a leveling system of sorts where as you kill named enemies or bosses, your bar increases and once it fills completely you get a golden key. You can either cash it in, or hold on to it and get 3 of them to get the diamond key. This rewards players who grind and it kinda acts like a Gacha Game's "Pity" system so if you're really unlucky while you're trying to grind for your weapon of choice, you can cash in your keys and save yourself the trouble. Randy could then use the current system to offer boosters to increase the rate the bar fills up for a temporary amount of time.
I go by a "Don't like it? Don't use it." mindset. I use a Golden Key maybe once every year and only in Borderlands 2.
That sounds like a lot of fun. You could get keys by a rare drop from bosses. Have different types of keys, such as shield keys, relics (or whatever they call it in bl4), shotgun key, etc and each boss will only drop that type of key. Like, if you were farming Captain Flint, he has a tiny chance to drop a Pistol key which can drop any type of pistol which can be unique to the chest or legendries/pearls.
I do like the challenge idea, my biggest issue with Keys now is they aren't great for those not chronically online, or having to sift through all the crap in your feed to find. They already have the news ticker on the main menu in 3, how about getting an intern to make shorts/ tik toks, they make a new one, click it in game to watch it and you get sent the key. Everybody wins. They get to monetize their presence and we get loot for watching.
I would love if they reworked it to give any unique gear especially mission rewards so they have more of an end game application, no one really liked backing up saves or closing their game entirely and going through 3 loading screens in the console experience of farming Sandhawks & Pimpernels.
I Also wouldn't mind a like XP bar like what BL3 had for the Vault Cards but every time you fill that up you gain a free key (so you can completely just ignore the wait for codes and work towards them yourself) and with that key you get a free heap of legendary items or mission rewards. Would be hard to balance this early game but I think it would be a good side thing to focus on between missions plus you could add some challenges like you suggested but instead it grants (level scaling) XP towards that next key and XP towards a level to ease up on the lets be honest mostly mundane end game Borderlands experience of grinding 30 levels in a row to hit that level cap.
I think maybe they could also take a Destiny route and make some rare variant keys tied to takedowns/raid bosses and at the end of the takedown/raid boss fight there's a chest that only unlocks with that unique raid key and in that chest there could either be pearls or raid specific gear (Like if it were the Guardian Takedown for example you would get a chance at the Stinger)
Regardless, There's a lot they can do not just with Golden Keys but the idea of a Key in general and I hope they realize that in the next game in the same way they did with Diamond Keys. Because it is quite a redundant system for anyone that's not new and knows where to get gear better than a purple Hyperion pistol and a poorly rolled purple Bandit shotgun.
Personally, I don't think Randy would do that due to losing the promotion for his social media.
@Joltzdude139 I might have mispoken, but I meant it more like a "Oh! Now I don't have to wait for codes and codes alone! I can grind for keys while waiting for codes instead of solely relying on those once every couple weeks/months for a handful of keys!" type deal. If you get what I mean :))
They would definitely have to balance it around how often they do key codes on Twitter though!
Sounds like a good weekly event that you could partake with each of your characters
What you described for the challenge-boosted golden key concept sounds exactly like the Mimic in Old School RuneScape/RS3! It would be a fun way to upgrade your account and get some lewt ✨
I wouldn’t mind if you could load a golden key in a takedown/raid boss as long as it doesn’t affect difficulty (i.e. locking difficulty behind the keys) but instead kept whatever difficulty is set and just increased loot drops from bosses/mini bosses. That way you can get loot you want from golden keys, you still have to be good enough to earn it, and they feel useful and have a place in the game that doesn’t make a hole in content when your out of them.
An example would be you load a golden key into Maliwan takedown and each boss drops 200%-500% more loot including dedicated drops.
I think randy is the one reason this game series have gone to what it is, sad case of hats trying something special, bl3 3 tales 2 and wonderlands, no graphics settings win bad story and other quarky shenanigans
I kinda love your idea for golden keys, maybe Randy should be taking notes because these are golden ideas! I'm just imagining a selection of things we could tackle, so we don't have to do this one or that one, but any challenge, and if we complete it, a guaranteed legendary, if we do very good, another or maybe 2 more, and if we can't complete for the life of us, some random purples and blues... That sounds legit.
I think i might have a cool Solution:
Firstly get rid of the Codes but make the Golden Keys farmable like Seraph Crystals from the Raid Bosses, maybe 1-2 per Raid Boss Kill.
Now, the Golden Keys can still be used for the Chest BUT what if they introduce a True Raid Difficulty where you have to pay 10 Golden Keys instead of Eridium and you could get guaranteed Pearl or Effervescent if they bring it back in BL4.
Or you can use 20 or 50 for a Diamond Key.
to take your challenges idea a little further while still keeping what makes Diamond Keys better than Golden Keys (the fact it's a guaranteed legendary drop) have 3 tiers of missions with 2 mission types each, mobbing and bossing, easy guarantees 1 legendary from mobbing or the dedicated drop of a World Boss (any named enemy that doesn't have a true boss health bar), medium guarantees 2 from mobbing or the dedicated drop and 1 random legendary from an actual normal boss, and hard is 3 legendaries from mobbing or 3 dedicated drops from a Raid Boss, it still leaves normal farming open as an option and your main form of farming but gives those that aren't quite at the point where farming for parts and prefix matters as much a fairly rare source of guaranteed legendaries in the form of fighting easier things. the way these missions would work is that while it is your active mission it could apply a modified Shlooter effect while within the mission bounds. It would also make the early loot charting much easier for those that make those lists since it's revealing the dedicated gear of that boss even if slowly
The additional mechanics to increase difficulty thing is pretty cool. It reminds me of the awakened DT2 bosses in RuneScape. Would be cool to see in more games
One simple way to go would be to have the golden keys be like tokens to play a unique slot machine that gives out gear that you can only get through the slot machine.
It'd be simple for gearbox to do but still make it fun and something players would care about.
I think a cool addition could be like, earning usually unobtainable or world drop exclusive cosmetics along with weapons or a challenge
Borderlands is a game about grinding for awesome loot. I don't want to just type in codes for the game to do the fun part for me! The only times I've used them is when I'm playing with friends who don't play the game as much as me (so their tolerance for less interesting sidemissions or xp farming is lower), pushing our way through the story and everyone's gear feels a little underleveled - usually around the time you have to face The Bunker, due to the huge level jump in the story missions at that point. Getting a sudden burst of blues and purples feels super empowering, but I don't think I'd bother doing it when I'm playing on my own, especially not a high/max lvl character.
what i feel like they should do with the golden key system if they continue it, is go with the route of destiny 2's last wish token system, every raid encounter you complete you get a key, and then you can use those keys to open multiple chests at the end of the raid, i feel like that would be an amazing addition to borderlands 4's endgame, and a neato reference too cuz the last wish raid is absolutely fantastic
Golden keys are cool for a little while as developer to consumer relationship but, it feels like an artificial way to keep their social media and older games “alive” by giving only golden key.
I think the main issue lies within how they’re obtained, but I also agree that the process to get your loot could be infinitely more engaging. I mean, you have a looter shooter full of enemies and bosses, killed/farmed for the SOLE purpose of gaining loot, and you don’t even capitalize on that a LITTLE bit for this key system. Not to mention, whatever loot you receive from the chest, you just have to take it assuming you don’t utilize any exploit or read only feature (idek if that works for golden keys). Like thanks for the loot from this rare key. I really appreciate this Jakobs stock, Dahl grip, and Hyperion barrel on a Vladof sniper. I’ll just go farm Gettle instead.
Diamond armory but with a higher chance of getting diamonds keys. Say like 25% so every 4 times your guaranteed a diamond key. If you didn’t get one ealier than 4. But also could be more. I love the diamond key system I think it’s absolutely awesome and I look forward to going back to sanctuary and opening it up every time.
I usually use golden keys for specific niche times where i want a specific purple weapon easier when im like level 15-50 lol
That's fair
Yeah me too like the golden chest saved me during my dahl runs
Somebody mentioned one mod that changed the golden keys to eridium, there's another, Snowbound, that replaces it with 5 crystals (i forgot the name but they're pink). I think the golden keys were good in 2012. Every big developer was doing something similar at the time, Golden Keys were really just the ones that held up (since they still do them). I've never been a fan of these code things in games as it just introduces an additional hurdle to unlocking good things, plus the FOMO from codes that expired.
I really enjoyed the diamond armory I just wish that they had exclusive legendary or Easter eggs with them
They should create 'Golden Loot' which appears randomly and only in the chest. They could add new weapons every few weeks/months to give you a reason to come back.
I'd like to see the Golden Keys as a physical item in the games, which can be dropped by any enemy with a rarity comparable to Pearls.
Still keep the Shiftcode system, for those who want more, but add something that can give you excitement during the game. Maybe up the odds of golden keys on normal mode, where you are guaranteed to find at least 1 key during your run. With decreasing odds the harder the game gets.
I’d love to see the current diamond key system become the gold key system and your idea is the new for diamond
Tennis sent us into kriegs brain for a whole DLC, the idea that a chest ate a bunch of enemies before you come along and now you gotta fight a whole bunch of dudes then the chest spits you and all their loot out.
i think the points you make about the box challenge are pretty cool and work pretty well
I would say every time you beat the game you get like 10-15 golden keys and 3 diamond ones, and you can earn more by doing challenges/completion/time. after you beat the game once next time you start the game it would say something like "you don't often play as the siren if you play as her and beat the game you will earn 3 more golden keys" or if the game takes 20 hours on average to beat if you beat in 15 you will earn an extra 5.
Thing that gets me about the keys. It takes 3 to crack open a chest to have 2 pistols,or smgs etc.......
Would love to see an expanded Golden Key system. I feel they would be good rewards for doing bonus objectives in side quests so that you are incentivised to not just do the same one over and over again.
This has always been also problem for me. Like sure I don't need them, but it's great to sometimes be rewarded, especially more in the early game, where the purples are still usable.
And I completely agree with you and that's also really similar to how I wanted to solve the issue.
I basically wanted something like the weekly challenges in BL3 with Vault cards. Because you're not limited to just one type of content. If it was locked to a defeating certain boss you could get bored by it pretty quickly or at least I would be. But if the challenge was defeat 300 enemies with Dahl Assault rifle, you could still do basically whichever content you want. You would by just limited in the how you beat the content. Which sometimes can lead you in discovering a cool stuff. Like when I did my 1st Dahl only playthrough in Borderlands 2(I believe)I picked up and used The Hail for the 1st time and since then it's one of my favourite unique weapons in series.
So if the challenges were about how you play instead of what, I believe it could help both the newer players in trying something different with their build. And they would also be rewarded for it.
Would love to see tho golden keys get a boost like special ability weapons (red text) that is special to that pool (or ultra rare drops from other sources). Would be balanced like a purple or legendary, but have rare chance for a godly/funny weapon. BL3 did it well with the goofy weapon ideas and it would be cool to see other games get that fun. Honestly my favorite part of a game is the ability to goof around as much as intended gameplay, so I love the idea of mini games or fun challenges…granted it can be easier said then done to implement it well, but here’s to hoping
I do like this idea, and I definitely agree the system could be more interesting. Though I feel like the appeal of the golden chest is that it provides instant on-level loot, and making the player go through a challenge/quiz could kinda negate that. Some gamers are very impatient and if the challenge isn't presented/implemented in an engaging, interesting way, then I can see the idea being met with resistance. Making it optional like you mentioned could be a good solution, so people who don't want to engage with the system won't have to.
When I first started playing it was a really fun system. I had a few rolls and i saved them for situations where I felt all my weapons no longer kept up with my level increase and needed something to kick start a new arsenal.
Later on learning that you can’t get legendaries definitely made it less exciting. And it’s definitely not a system that’s amazing for long term players but I do think it’s great for new players and when a game first launches
The idea you have is something I would really look forward to but I just hope they get the story right if they can make a decent borderlands game that does not want me to mute the game then idk what they do with the golden keys at launch
Absolutely spot on about the keys. Honestly, I'd rather they increased opportunity for drops or to indeed find golden-key type chests, as well as have the Diamond key available through social media?
what i think would be cool is if they changed it to a boss rush mechanic like the peak but if u use a golden key the drop rate for the bosses is increased buy like 20/30%
For the Boss Challenge idea you have, I really like it! I think I get what you're saying with difficulty scaling, it seems like you're trying to emulate something like Terraria's difficulty modes, where Expert Mode Bosses have new phases and mechanics along with scaled health with better drops, which seems like a perfect idea for Borderlands! The only hangup on my end would be "what would happen if I fail, or want to try again?" The purple compensation prize seems good to me, but I think something closer to TF2's MvM ticket mechanic might be better. If you fail, you get your ticket back but no rewards. And for the replayability of these hypothetical gamemodes, maybe offer a way to play them without keys, with less/no rewards so people can practice them, or play them at all in the likely situation that key distribution is all but forgotten about. Either way, great video!
Only used it in the pre sequel to get filler for the grinder and gamble on legendaries