I don't understand with all these kind of companies being so scared just to play a little bit of music like it's going to affect them in any sort of way and it's getting really annoying. Even though royalty-free-music isn't safe anymore. We now live in a world when you where you cant play music out loud :(
Totally agree with James if he’s mad, as a musician when a third fucks with your performance fucks with your work man and you're there to bring people the best of you, a good show also you're getting paid to do a job
Don’t blame him, especially when they got people out there ready to nitpick literally everything they do. It’s hard just being able to do your thing when your thing is Metallica
I have to disagree. Napster was 21 years ago. Several awards, marriages, children, records, and millions of dollars later they brought this on themselves? 21 years later performing their own music on Twitch?
I think so many people forget that Metallica wasn't the only ones that sued Napster.... Point is, if they didn't sue, this would have happened anyway. Lost cause. Also, if we think NO artist would have stepped forward between 1999-2021 over this we're not thinking clearly. Forget the name...the fact an artist got blocked playing their own music over a copyright issue is not good.
@@ryanwalker2016 I think it's because Matt Heafy has permission from Trivium's record label to do it, it's still stupid that he has to ask permission for it.
@@magicsteve5523 Ah well in that case it would be Twitch that needed permission and they didn't get it Blizzard had it as they were the ones actually streaming the event but Twitch didn't have permission from Metallica to actual play it on their platform
Metallica: **engages in frivolous piracy lawsuits, expresses contempt for their audience, and becomes the face of multi-million dollar musical acts lobbying for anti-consumer copyright legislation** 20 years later Twitch: **mutes Metallica on stream** Metallica: Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions
Newsted admitted he had to disband Echobrain and Newsted cuz it was too costly for his bottom line. He is laughing his head off though as he still gets royalties from 3 song credits in 14 years.
Wasn't trolling at all, Napster was taking their profits and he was the only one to call it how it is. Unfortunate how he was shut down initially, he knew what was happening.
@@watchmeyodel eh... Metallica benefited immensely from Napster et al and then got greedy and wanted more. Just another example of dinosaurs fighting against the future.
hopefully stuff like this is the straw that finally breaks the DMCA's back. it was a stupid law that was written and interpreted even more stupidly, that was supposed to protect ISPs and content creators and instead has been abused and turned into a legal bludgeon that does nothing to serve the interests of the people its supposed to protect. If Jim Crow, Japanese Interment, and Prohibition hadn't already been laws in the US it would be the stupidest law in American History.
@@wandyrful I prefere dmca over article 17 of the new eu copyright law every day. With that law the sites have to check beforehand if your content is copyright protected .the worst, if you pass the filter, you still can get hefty fines or jail time
In a way, it's a tiny bit of karma mixed with a whole lot of overreach. Twitch needs to overhaul their copyright bot if it can't figure out when a band is playing their own song or someone else's. I feel for both the band and the fans, but mostly for the fans.
Nah not karma. I still feel Lars was right .it wasn’t about money 💰 he was pissed that he heard a song they were still working on in studio on the radio. His argument was that the artist should have the right to Sue anyone that steals their work before it’s even finished. It wasn’t about ohh I didn’t get my cut it’s Yo man this is my work and it’s not even done nor ready and someone that’s not Me/US Is releasing it But people don’t get that even for a band it’s not a quick in and out record is done let’s sell it and go on tour Nah that’s hours and days and multiple Takes, ideas being thrown out , ideas redone ect ect. Everyone got mad cuz they thought he was being greedy. The sheep had it all wrong.
The way I understand it, it's an automated system. Metallica songs were recognized by the system and blocked. It didn't know it was actually Metallica playing
@@curtilingus82 Which is a fair and valid point. But for Twitch to say, "We can't fix this", of course they can. They know it's Metallica's channel. They know it's them playing.
@@BarrickMacready how does it make sense? Should every artist give away music for free? Whats the point in being a rockstar then? Hey everyone we got a new album its $15 but hey you can just DL it for free. Oops cant go on tour we only made a few hundred bucks from our 1 million fans.
@@johnrose2993 That's not how it works. Lol. There are lesser bands today that travel and get by just fine on minimum with almost no record sales. Metallica thought record sales would define their cash flow for life. But they didn't think ahead. Fuck Metallica. Lol.
Twitch needs to be a better place for musicians to play covers PERIOD. You can live stream to thousands of people to play a game you purchased but not live stream a play along to music you purchased.
This is how the DMCA companies want it. If they didn't want it that way they would make it that way, but since Twitch won't give them a cut of their revenue stream, they'd rather screw over Twitch's customers and content producers. Why twitch of all people who have Bezos' bucks behind them don't fight back at least in lobbying I'll never know, but they don't even try to push back, so.
@@wandyrful this. Record labels are still predatory greedy pieces of shit. Still, this probably was the actions of a bot. Metallica themselves don't DMCA anyone, they're pretty liberal about the use of their music on the internet.
Twich is not at fault here, They are following the DMCA law's. Blame the band for their pursuit of DMCA against everyone. This is why i don't like Metallica they are a crony corporate band. and I think it's fucken hilarious this happened. Could not happen to a better bunch of arseholes.
@@pizzaki582 you're being completely backwards about this. Twitch wasn't following any law. It's a God damn algorithm that blocks the audio as soon as it hears a song being played. Every song from a major label is affected by this. They could've played a cover of Beat It by Michael Jackson and they would've been muted too. Do you understand now or are you gonna keep being absolutely blind unlike everyone else here?
@@pizzaki582 like, where do you even get they DMCA anyone? I have a few Metallica covers on my channel, some have been up for more than 9 years, they haven't taken them down at all. Twitch's music detecting bot is just out for blood basically. Could've happened to anyone. It even happens to Herman Li, who's a regular twitch streamer.
It’s so true that’s just coincidence though I doubt that lorries had the wherewithal that he knew that everything was going to be streaming one day and eventually copy rights are going to be out of control and algorithms would run amok
Agreed. That statement kind of rubbed me the wrong way as well. Metallica was fully justified in fighting Napster. People were stealing their stuff. This Twitch thing is not even close to the same “medicine.”
It's like the soldier who asks his superior for the password when his superior was the one who appointed him on guard duty in the first place! It's was meant for the Enemy, clearly.
No, they were wrong. Nobody wants to pay $22.99 for Load. People wanted Mp3. Metallica couldn't stop it. Its technology evolving and its much cheaper to produce as well. More bands can create music instead of Metallica monopolizing the metal scene.
@@thegoldenorder1240 metallica wasnt monopolizing the metal scene, there just wasnt any competition to go around, because every other band either wasnt selling well or was super underground
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me one was illegal and twitch isn't illegal. Napster was a illegal downloading sight twitch isn't. Getting music for free without paying is bs cause your taking money away from the artist. And hurting sells. Which was why Metallica and the Napster lawsuit happen
@@Buckeye7Gaming Thankfully, there is no way people could possibly extract the sound from a recorded video on Twitch or RUclips, it's just way beyond modern computer capabilities. Rather than fighting a pointless fight, music artist should just accept the fact that their videos are being dowloaded and let videos on RUclips and Twitch freely use music without being deleted out of existence. They post their music on RUclips for anyone to steal it in seconds, so why even bother when you already gave out your content?
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me Dude, you don't know what you are talking about. Metallica was always open about recording their songs, before Napster, there was something called cassette tapes, wich anyone could copy anything they want. They even let people record their shows, something that a lot of bands were totally against. Guns N Roses and Roling Stones even had people paid to destroy any cameras they find during shows. Napster was something different, they were taking unfinished songs and sharing on the internet. This is actually stealing property from an artist. And this fight wasn't pointless, it was not only their own money that was on sake, every heavy netal band felt it, but they were to afraid to confront their fans. The result now is rock and roll is virtually dead and heavy metal bands are mostly unknown underground groups with no money and in comparison to hip hop and pop music. Megadeth for exemple sold less than 200k copies from their last album, this is ridiculous in comparison to what they did before Napster (1M with Cyptic Writings and this album was bad). By the way, those guys (from pop and hip hop) had support from their fans against napster. Coincidence?
I'd really love to know how Metallica reacted when they realized how their performance played out, and also I want to listen to the conversation between Metallicas management and their contact at Blizzard when **** hit the fan :D
But the internet sharing problem was something new that had to be addressed and enforced with new writ of copyright law. That's what Lars went to the Supreme Court for. To help close those loopholes. It was the same thing with the laws they had before the RICO laws to deal with the mafia. Prior to RICO, they could only arrest the grunts for their various crimes. But new laws had to be written so that they could arrest the bosses for ordering the soldiers to commit a crime.
Exactly. It's easy to say it was about money, but it was bigger than that. It was about not just them, but every single artist in the world, as they were all at risk of losing control of their own music in the same way Metallica did. Lars got so much hate for that whole thing, and I get where people are coming from, but they're not seeing the bigger picture. It wasn't about money.
@Blank Space Provided did he actually go after them though? Ultimately the artist creates the art, the art is the intellectual property of the artist. Take that away and what do they have? Lars really did stand up for all artists
Ok first of all, this is hilarious. Secondly this also shows that Twitch seriously needs to get their shit together and copyright laws need to be reformed. Also wasn't a fan of the "a taste of their own medicine" comment. Musicians deserve to control their own work. They deserve to make a living off what they put so much time and energy into. Music shouldn't be free, art in general shouldn't be free unless the artist states otherwise. There was nothing wrong with them suing napster.
The problem was they actually sued their fans. Not just Napster. I remember them holding up long printed rolls of peoples names that had downloaded there music and were suing.
Metallica in 2000: *sues Napster for copyright claims* Metallica in 2021: *gets muted on Twitch for copyright claims* It took karma 11 years, but it came around.
Well, it's an algorithm which recognized the song and then decided to mute it. I think there should be an alteration of the algorithm, first by keeping a database of record labels that allow their music to be played (Metallica's own label could be on there). Twitch isn't a platform for live music as it is instantly blocked, RUclips does it better as a streaming platform by giving you a copyright-notice before blocking which I think is way better.
@@bobbyjones-uv5cn i think he knows what you meant, it's just it was muted on youtube because most likely the video was blocked worldwide and then they muted it to get it put back up again
Yeahs it’s incredibly ironic. But Metallica saved the music industry for artists. Essentially saving it for us. Having this happen to them is funny but also good because copyright law has gotten way out of hand, especially with RUclips. Having Metallica join the fight on the other end is a really good thing.
Really? Metallica saved a few pennies for the biggest blockbuster artists. Metallica did nothing for the little average musician. The fact is today it is even easier to make a living as a musician BECAUSE your songs get out there free on RUclips or some other means.. this cuts out the record label, and musicians can be their own business via having fans subscribe them on platforms like Patreon. Metallica just wanted to save their precious album sales because they were one of the few at the time who actually made big bank off their own record sales. Most other artists have always just profited off their live touring.. while the record labels raked in all the profit from record sales.
Blizzcon was officially streaming on the blizzard page, and the official blizzard youtube channel. Twitch channel streaming the blizzcon were not official, as far as I know. All of us who saw the blizzcon on youtube or blizz's page heard metallica's song.
Metallica was in the right back in the day, fighting against Piracy, but nowadays that isnt a problem with Spotigy, RUclips Music, Itunes and more around to give us tunes while Artists still get paid. NOW the issue is that copyright law is being misused and platforms are screwing over everybody, especially on Twitch where they have been cracking down on a lot of shit in no time flat. we need to fight against the DMCA and come down on these automated services that take the place of actual workers so platforms can stick more money in their own pockets. Artist's material should be protected, but not to the point that it is chopping away at our rights and freedoms, be done with the automatons and hire actual people to police these platforms!
Well guess what, they pioneered this mess, the only reason you have a few Metallica songs on RUclips was because what happened with Napster was only the beginning and they already won that fight. People like them fought it tooth and still and STILL physical music sales were plummeting and they couldnt figure out why. Now the thing they used to take down music before is being abused by people they couldn't predict would abuse it soooooo.
It was muted on this twitch stream which was a co-stream that did not have the rights, and any other person co-streaming was warned not to stream this part. On the actually blizzcon stream the songs were not muted. Its dumb yes, but many people don't know this.
The "it should be free because I want it" crowd is definitely getting a chuckle or two out of this. But you still did not explain how they could get taken down when they were playing their own music
Lol I didn't know they got muted mid-performance on Twitch. I'm pretty sure the other like 5 platforms Blizzcon was streamed from this did not happen. At least not from Blizzard's own stream.
extra flavour: the way music fingerprinting algos work, they were either playing the song absolutely pitch perfect to the recording, tempo, tuning, mixing and all.. or straight up miming to a backing track like a 90s pop star.
Muting a band for performing their own song all because of "copyright".. especially the band that started the movement against illegal streaming and piracy.. How about just destroying Twitch with lawsuits and burying them for good because, let's be honest, has anything good ever came out of twitch?
Why can we go back to the era of record a tape and let the fans take control of what ears get to. No corporations, no ownership except the ppl creating the content.
Metallica isn’t “getting a taste of their own medicine”. Piracy is illegal (and immoral), and Metallica had every reason and right to fight Napster. Streaming has also since destroyed musicians’ revenues. This thing with twitch is plainly absurd.
This is why the DMCA needs to be amended or revoked. It's gotten so ridiculous that live audio gets muted by musicians playing their own music. It is super funny that it happened to Metallica though. They made the bed, and now they gotta sleep in it.
People don't seem get it. It's like when you play copyrighted music on Facebook Live or in a video you post to Facebook, you get an automatic muted warning for that video. Same with Twitch. No one was controlling the stream when it happened. It was an automated thing to mute "familiar" copyrighted songs and it was a mistake. Even though it was Metallica themselves performing it.
Everyone talks trash about Lars, that dude has fought hard and stood up for what was right, his art. No one is entitled to his work for free. How would you feel if your job didn’t pay you after 40 hours. You’d feel robbed. Bottom feeders like Spotify get away with it now regardless.
When RUclips blocks the music Twitch is using to block the music...
Lmao. You literally can't.listen to anything
I know what da fuq
may as well watch the entire video with 0% volume then
I thought my headphones broke lmfao
That's some inception shit right there lmao
Hold up. I think RUclips muted the elevator music lmao
yes, so now even twitch is a blocker?!
i may as well mute the entire video just to go along with all this bullplop
Would that mean RUclips muted a song that was used to falsely mute another song? Wtf XD
muteception
Sure can't wait for silence to be muted by copyright at this rate lol
I don't understand with all these kind of companies being so scared just to play a little bit of music like it's going to affect them in any sort of way and it's getting really annoying. Even though royalty-free-music isn't safe anymore. We now live in a world when you where you cant play music out loud :(
Blocking Metallica from Twitch because they can’t do anything else is like preparing someone’s own lasagna to then throw it in the trash bin.
They weren't blocked. The stream was muted. Their copyright algorithm is Orwellian.
Copyright has been around longer than Napster
More like someone’s horse shit
Or like throwing actual trash into the trash. Metallica sux. Copy that floppy, don't stay in a mind prison.
Well, one million $ spent to create a omegalul moment. Sad, really, cause Diablo 1&2 + Metallica were a huge part of my childhood.
Im pretty sure james is mad at this. We all remember how he gets mad when his performances don’t go professionally
Totally agree with James if he’s mad, as a musician when a third fucks with your performance fucks with your work man and you're there to bring people the best of you, a good show also you're getting paid to do a job
Lars has to pissed too.
We are with you James and Lars 🍺
Don’t blame him, especially when they got people out there ready to nitpick literally everything they do. It’s hard just being able to do your thing when your thing is Metallica
James' anger will disappear like a shadow in the light by Lars' anger.
This is why life shouldn't be governed by f*cking algorithms.
To bad the majority is to stupid or brainwashed to listen.
More marxism means more government. If you're against the government then you're against marxism
Faulty algorithms at that.
@@Pogokoala that's completely irrelevant
Perfect comment
They're not the only artists going through this crap. Can't believe this is where we are now.
Well they brought this on themselves, oh delicious irony.
Yes but they are the ones who started it. I think we can all bask in this irony for a bit😌 but yea I do agree with 100% when it comes to other artist
I have to disagree. Napster was 21 years ago. Several awards, marriages, children, records, and millions of dollars later they brought this on themselves? 21 years later performing their own music on Twitch?
@@Tapanga620 it started all of this. Napster isn’t around anymore either. It’s all evolved into this.
I think so many people forget that Metallica wasn't the only ones that sued Napster....
Point is, if they didn't sue, this would have happened anyway. Lost cause. Also, if we think NO artist would have stepped forward between 1999-2021 over this we're not thinking clearly.
Forget the name...the fact an artist got blocked playing their own music over a copyright issue is not good.
Can't win as a musician in the digital age. You either get your art pirated or get blocked for streaming your own stuff.
Matt Heafy does it all the time tho so I'm confused
@@ryanwalker2016 I think it's because Matt Heafy has permission from Trivium's record label to do it, it's still stupid that he has to ask permission for it.
U guys act like piracy is bad thing lmao , Witcher 3 proven that anti-piracy is pointless
@YourLordMaui All of Metallica’s music is owned by a label that they themselves run though, whatever way you look at this it makes no sense...
@@magicsteve5523 Ah well in that case it would be Twitch that needed permission and they didn't get it Blizzard had it as they were the ones actually streaming the event but Twitch didn't have permission from Metallica to actual play it on their platform
Didn't wanna tick Lars off.
"Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme lawyers I can hire!"
Should've ended it with "You!"
Lol
OUHH
Metallica: **engages in frivolous piracy lawsuits, expresses contempt for their audience, and becomes the face of multi-million dollar musical acts lobbying for anti-consumer copyright legislation**
20 years later
Twitch: **mutes Metallica on stream**
Metallica: Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions
Think people choose not to remember this
I am amazed Lars's off time drumming didn't throw off the algorithms.
That and Metallica generally plays up tempo live so I doubt tempo is all that can be detected
It knew it was him because literally no one else can drum that bad.
You said that on a video when Lars' drums were killer. Go sit in the corner little boy.
His weird mouth movements were on point tho
Lol it's funny because it's popular to shit on lars huh?
Somewhere, Jason Newsted is laughing his head off.
Newsted admitted he had to disband Echobrain and Newsted cuz it was too costly for his bottom line. He is laughing his head off though as he still gets royalties from 3 song credits in 14 years.
Dave Mustaine is laughing his ass off
That’s hilarious, given Lars’ copyright trolling history.
Exactly what I thought but you beat me to it !
Wasn't trolling at all, Napster was taking their profits and he was the only one to call it how it is. Unfortunate how he was shut down initially, he knew what was happening.
I came here to post that, man copyright is whack when the own band can play to its own fans
Thats what I was thinking
@@watchmeyodel eh... Metallica benefited immensely from Napster et al and then got greedy and wanted more. Just another example of dinosaurs fighting against the future.
lol...even the overdubbed 'music' was muted by the RUclips algorithm.
This just keeps getting even more hilarious.
This is why I hate twitch and the DMCA
Don't hate the player, hate the game
It's DMCA not twitch
I hate Metallica. So this is the funniest joke in my entire life.
hopefully stuff like this is the straw that finally breaks the DMCA's back. it was a stupid law that was written and interpreted even more stupidly, that was supposed to protect ISPs and content creators and instead has been abused and turned into a legal bludgeon that does nothing to serve the interests of the people its supposed to protect. If Jim Crow, Japanese Interment, and Prohibition hadn't already been laws in the US it would be the stupidest law in American History.
@@wandyrful I prefere dmca over article 17 of the new eu copyright law every day. With that law the sites have to check beforehand if your content is copyright protected .the worst, if you pass the filter, you still can get hefty fines or jail time
In a way, it's a tiny bit of karma mixed with a whole lot of overreach. Twitch needs to overhaul their copyright bot if it can't figure out when a band is playing their own song or someone else's. I feel for both the band and the fans, but mostly for the fans.
Nah not karma. I still feel Lars was right .it wasn’t about money 💰 he was pissed that he heard a song they were still working on in studio on the radio.
His argument was that the artist should have the right to Sue anyone that steals their work before it’s even finished.
It wasn’t about ohh I didn’t get my cut it’s Yo man this is my work and it’s not even done nor ready and someone that’s not Me/US Is releasing it
But people don’t get that even for a band it’s not a quick in and out record is done let’s sell it and go on tour
Nah that’s hours and days and multiple Takes, ideas being thrown out , ideas redone ect ect. Everyone got mad cuz they thought he was being greedy. The sheep had it all wrong.
@@yarenestrada8253 He ruined the internet. It was nirvana and Metallica had a big hand in the creation of DMCA.
@@hia5235 you keep going around saying the internet was literally nirvana, I seriously doubt that little instance ruined the internet at all.
Doesn’t Metallica own their own music now? Isn’t that what Blackened Recordings is?
Yep. Metallica owns their stuff outright. So who exactly is going to file the DMCA?
The way I understand it, it's an automated system. Metallica songs were recognized by the system and blocked. It didn't know it was actually Metallica playing
@@curtilingus82 Which is a fair and valid point. But for Twitch to say, "We can't fix this", of course they can. They know it's Metallica's channel. They know it's them playing.
@@BenHughes81 nah they can’t. They don’t own the song.
@@H.E.M. Metallica owned all their stuff since 2012.
RUclips muted the twitch mute music in a video about how ridiculous this is absolute gold
20 years ago, Metallica ASKED for this.
Nope your comment makes no sense
@@gabbeausejour5431 yes it does lol
@@BarrickMacready how does it make sense? Should every artist give away music for free? Whats the point in being a rockstar then?
Hey everyone we got a new album its $15 but hey you can just DL it for free.
Oops cant go on tour we only made a few hundred bucks from our 1 million fans.
👊
@@johnrose2993 That's not how it works. Lol. There are lesser bands today that travel and get by just fine on minimum with almost no record sales. Metallica thought record sales would define their cash flow for life. But they didn't think ahead. Fuck Metallica. Lol.
Twitch needs to be a better place for musicians to play covers PERIOD. You can live stream to thousands of people to play a game you purchased but not live stream a play along to music you purchased.
This is how the DMCA companies want it. If they didn't want it that way they would make it that way, but since Twitch won't give them a cut of their revenue stream, they'd rather screw over Twitch's customers and content producers. Why twitch of all people who have Bezos' bucks behind them don't fight back at least in lobbying I'll never know, but they don't even try to push back, so.
@@wandyrful this. Record labels are still predatory greedy pieces of shit.
Still, this probably was the actions of a bot. Metallica themselves don't DMCA anyone, they're pretty liberal about the use of their music on the internet.
Twich is not at fault here, They are following the DMCA law's. Blame the band for their pursuit of DMCA against everyone. This is why i don't like Metallica they are a crony corporate band. and I think it's fucken hilarious this happened. Could not happen to a better bunch of arseholes.
@@pizzaki582 you're being completely backwards about this. Twitch wasn't following any law. It's a God damn algorithm that blocks the audio as soon as it hears a song being played. Every song from a major label is affected by this. They could've played a cover of Beat It by Michael Jackson and they would've been muted too. Do you understand now or are you gonna keep being absolutely blind unlike everyone else here?
@@pizzaki582 like, where do you even get they DMCA anyone? I have a few Metallica covers on my channel, some have been up for more than 9 years, they haven't taken them down at all. Twitch's music detecting bot is just out for blood basically. Could've happened to anyone. It even happens to Herman Li, who's a regular twitch streamer.
\m/ Twitch did this to Dragonforce too. It's a real shame. SMH
Wow! I would have thought someone would have taken care of it, such as the band's managers or lawyers.
And even Matt heafy from trivium got banned for playing his own music...
Sounds like they just need to get together and sue (if that's even possible).
Herman actually got banned for a week
@@DavidNwokoye Wow, wtf twitch? These bands need to step up against this BS.
That elevator music is seriously degrading
Not really Metallica has been playing elevator music for years.
@@justdead99 stfu
@@justdead99 At least elevator music is good. Metallica sux!
@@justdead99 I disagree, but that's funny, so here's my like good sir/madam.
To be honest I hear a riff among those xylophones would be badass
That’s what Lars fought Napster for lol
How dare Lars want his music not to be leaked
It’s so true that’s just coincidence though I doubt that lorries had the wherewithal that he knew that everything was going to be streaming one day and eventually copy rights are going to be out of control and algorithms would run amok
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Oh, the irony! 😄
I understand why people might not like Lars but I don’t get the hate he got for suing Napster.
AI's blind enforcement is pretty funny
I hope this gets some things changed.
It’s only the beginning folks it’ll get way worse so hold on tight everyone
I don’t like that “A taste of their own medicine” like they did something wrong in the Napster thing and in the end they were right 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Agreed. That statement kind of rubbed me the wrong way as well. Metallica was fully justified in fighting Napster. People were stealing their stuff. This Twitch thing is not even close to the same “medicine.”
It's like the soldier who asks his superior for the password when his superior was the one who appointed him on guard duty in the first place! It's was meant for the Enemy, clearly.
No, they were wrong. Nobody wants to pay $22.99 for Load. People wanted Mp3. Metallica couldn't stop it. Its technology evolving and its much cheaper to produce as well. More bands can create music instead of Metallica monopolizing the metal scene.
@@thegoldenorder1240 Really?, I thought its about piracy/p2p sharing
@@thegoldenorder1240 metallica wasnt monopolizing the metal scene, there just wasnt any competition to go around, because every other band either wasnt selling well or was super underground
The irony, given Lars’ history with copyright trolling...
By defending your own property you are in essence defending the rights of other peoples property. There’s no contradiction here.
@@stefanburns3797 Oh yes there is. They participated in putting in place the exact system that messed with them in the future.
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me one was illegal and twitch isn't illegal. Napster was a illegal downloading sight twitch isn't. Getting music for free without paying is bs cause your taking money away from the artist. And hurting sells. Which was why Metallica and the Napster lawsuit happen
@@Buckeye7Gaming Thankfully, there is no way people could possibly extract the sound from a recorded video on Twitch or RUclips, it's just way beyond modern computer capabilities. Rather than fighting a pointless fight, music artist should just accept the fact that their videos are being dowloaded and let videos on RUclips and Twitch freely use music without being deleted out of existence. They post their music on RUclips for anyone to steal it in seconds, so why even bother when you already gave out your content?
@@MichaelDavis-mk4me Dude, you don't know what you are talking about. Metallica was always open about recording their songs, before Napster, there was something called cassette tapes, wich anyone could copy anything they want. They even let people record their shows, something that a lot of bands were totally against. Guns N Roses and Roling Stones even had people paid to destroy any cameras they find during shows.
Napster was something different, they were taking unfinished songs and sharing on the internet. This is actually stealing property from an artist. And this fight wasn't pointless, it was not only their own money that was on sake, every heavy netal band felt it, but they were to afraid to confront their fans.
The result now is rock and roll is virtually dead and heavy metal bands are mostly unknown underground groups with no money and in comparison to hip hop and pop music. Megadeth for exemple sold less than 200k copies from their last album, this is ridiculous in comparison to what they did before Napster (1M with Cyptic Writings and this album was bad). By the way, those guys (from pop and hip hop) had support from their fans against napster. Coincidence?
The society is so messed up
The circle of life has been completed
I'd really love to know how Metallica reacted when they realized how their performance played out, and also I want to listen to the conversation between Metallicas management and their contact at Blizzard when **** hit the fan :D
Clowns on Twitter acting like this happened because they fought Napster. Copyright law has been around much longer than Napster.
Twitter? You mean TWITCH. Dummy.
@@gfx2943 No I mean people on Twitter commenting on it
@@gfx2943 dummy 😆
Lol..SURE THE HELL DIDNT HELP..LOLOLOLOLO
But the internet sharing problem was something new that had to be addressed and enforced with new writ of copyright law. That's what Lars went to the Supreme Court for. To help close those loopholes. It was the same thing with the laws they had before the RICO laws to deal with the mafia. Prior to RICO, they could only arrest the grunts for their various crimes. But new laws had to be written so that they could arrest the bosses for ordering the soldiers to commit a crime.
The Napster thing was about control of one's own work. "I Disappear" was put on the service before the song was ready to be released.
Exactly. It's easy to say it was about money, but it was bigger than that. It was about not just them, but every single artist in the world, as they were all at risk of losing control of their own music in the same way Metallica did. Lars got so much hate for that whole thing, and I get where people are coming from, but they're not seeing the bigger picture. It wasn't about money.
@@KissMyFatAxe totally agree
Don't make excuses for him.
@@matthewchavez5322 don't be an idiot
@Blank Space Provided did he actually go after them though? Ultimately the artist creates the art, the art is the intellectual property of the artist. Take that away and what do they have? Lars really did stand up for all artists
Next album: St. Irony
Well there you go metallica. Hope you're happy.
I seen this yesterday when I was on twitch. I kept thinking WTF is going on did Twitch really mute them.
That was a stupid move from twitch it’s there music so wtf
*Their*
@@theirishpotato6588 the Irish grammar nazi
@@theirishpotato6588 oooo got em xD
@@abc1234567a1 no. It's just basic stuff.
@@erickrodriguez4521 rawr.
Ok first of all, this is hilarious. Secondly this also shows that Twitch seriously needs to get their shit together and copyright laws need to be reformed. Also wasn't a fan of the "a taste of their own medicine" comment. Musicians deserve to control their own work. They deserve to make a living off what they put so much time and energy into. Music shouldn't be free, art in general shouldn't be free unless the artist states otherwise. There was nothing wrong with them suing napster.
The problem was they actually sued their fans. Not just Napster. I remember them holding up long printed rolls of peoples names that had downloaded there music and were suing.
Also, knowing metalica's past doesn't help either. They kind of were the catalyst for this.
Metallica in 2000: *sues Napster for copyright claims*
Metallica in 2021: *gets muted on Twitch for copyright claims*
It took karma 11 years, but it came around.
Divine retribution right here!
What the hell! That is stupid! Copyright strikes for playing there own music?! That is absurd!
What the hell!*
If a band is playing their own music on twitch, they shouldn't never be muted by the copyright fuckery. There needs to be a grey area for musicians.
Well, it's an algorithm which recognized the song and then decided to mute it. I think there should be an alteration of the algorithm, first by keeping a database of record labels that allow their music to be played (Metallica's own label could be on there). Twitch isn't a platform for live music as it is instantly blocked, RUclips does it better as a streaming platform by giving you a copyright-notice before blocking which I think is way better.
I dont think any live performance should be copyrighted. It takes skill to reproduce and play music
even the elevator music was blocked on youtube
You were right about the copywrong system being busted, this sucks on ice!
I may as well watch the entire video on 0 volume then
I couldn't help to laugh at that music. Seems too much like a meme 😂🤣
what music? there is no music, it got taken down
@@KeeperOfPoops The music it got replaced with.
@@bobbyjones-uv5cn i think he knows what you meant, it's just it was muted on youtube because most likely the video was blocked worldwide and then they muted it to get it put back up again
Metallica is the one that can really kick off a reform. Go get em fools Lars!!!
This is what I'm hoping for!
James be like "damn i played myself"
Metallica: Bootleg Our Music
Also Metallica: Boycott Napster
Also Metallica: Muted On Twitch
It is their music 🤷🏻♀️ sue em its a pandemic 🤣🤣
Sue em all!
@@jbrock7335 😜 like KILL EM ALL 🤘 ROCKED IT THE OTHER NIGHT!
I wanna see the full version of the performance now.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeahs it’s incredibly ironic. But Metallica saved the music industry for artists. Essentially saving it for us. Having this happen to them is funny but also good because copyright law has gotten way out of hand, especially with RUclips. Having Metallica join the fight on the other end is a really good thing.
Really? Metallica saved a few pennies for the biggest blockbuster artists. Metallica did nothing for the little average musician. The fact is today it is even easier to make a living as a musician BECAUSE your songs get out there free on RUclips or some other means.. this cuts out the record label, and musicians can be their own business via having fans subscribe them on platforms like Patreon. Metallica just wanted to save their precious album sales because they were one of the few at the time who actually made big bank off their own record sales. Most other artists have always just profited off their live touring.. while the record labels raked in all the profit from record sales.
Metallica didn't do SHIT for the artists, they wanted more money.
Limewire, Napster, Kazzan and bearshare are having a laugh . 🍿
James Hetfield looks more like the lion from the Wizard of Oz every day!
I can’t help but laugh because the music used to block music got blocked! Man what in the Sam Hill is going on round here?!
Blizzcon huh? Could of just been an out of season April Fools joke.
Didn't know gamers of 2021 listen to Metallica *facepalm*
@@O1O1OO1? TF is wrong with you
Blizzcon was officially streaming on the blizzard page, and the official blizzard youtube channel. Twitch channel streaming the blizzcon were not official, as far as I know. All of us who saw the blizzcon on youtube or blizz's page heard metallica's song.
That's glorious, I understood their fight with napster but I'm glad they got a taste of their own medicine
It's not an abuse of the copyright system, it's working as intended.
*Metallica plays their own music*
Twitch and DMCA: *stretches* *jogs* *exercise* *Mute*
Copyright abuse will be Metallica's only legacy, all of the music they worked to make essentially erased.
Metallica was in the right back in the day, fighting against Piracy, but nowadays that isnt a problem with Spotigy, RUclips Music, Itunes and more around to give us tunes while Artists still get paid.
NOW the issue is that copyright law is being misused and platforms are screwing over everybody, especially on Twitch where they have been cracking down on a lot of shit in no time flat.
we need to fight against the DMCA and come down on these automated services that take the place of actual workers so platforms can stick more money in their own pockets.
Artist's material should be protected, but not to the point that it is chopping away at our rights and freedoms, be done with the automatons and hire actual people to police these platforms!
Damn, someone actually gets it and isn't just jumping on the "har har" bandwagon.
Well guess what, they pioneered this mess, the only reason you have a few Metallica songs on RUclips was because what happened with Napster was only the beginning and they already won that fight. People like them fought it tooth and still and STILL physical music sales were plummeting and they couldnt figure out why. Now the thing they used to take down music before is being abused by people they couldn't predict would abuse it soooooo.
It was muted on this twitch stream which was a co-stream that did not have the rights, and any other person co-streaming was warned not to stream this part. On the actually blizzcon stream the songs were not muted. Its dumb yes, but many people don't know this.
Just proving yet again that these algorithms that are supposed to catch "copyrighted" material are stupid.
Metallica don't care they still got paid. They are probably stoked.
Even the elevator music got copyright claimed. No music is safe from the copyright police.
I have a smart table. It falls apart when I put on Lulu.
Does James suddenly appear to replace it when it happens? After all, HE IS THE TABLE!
it was not muted on blizzards channel. only on the twitch gaming channel
Time to boycott Twitch
Nah, I love this shit. Metallica is a trash band.
Funny how this is a ripple effect directly caused by them suing Napster.
haha what goes around, comes around. REKT
ps. youtube blocked the elevator music....🤣 this is priceless... i don't wanna live on this planet anymore
If you watched Blizzcon on its own website, the song played just fine. Didn't even know all this was happening until days later.
The irony is too much
Obviously the copyright industry is taking ownership of all music. They need to be stopped.
And they should have to pay expenses to Blizzcon.
I mean, they kinda earned it. Irony in motion.
How did they earn it? They did absolutely nothing wrong in 2000 with Napster, and Lars was right btw - look how much artists get paid for streams now.
Earn it by rightfully suing a company for leaking their unreleased music? Absolutely stupid comment.
It just shows the copyright system needs to be fixed.
Wtf twitch
The "it should be free because I want it" crowd is definitely getting a chuckle or two out of this. But you still did not explain how they could get taken down when they were playing their own music
Copyright algorithm: Screw you Lars.
Napster: Lololololol.
Lars: Wtf man... Who can I sue?
that shit is so old and lame...
Lol I didn't know they got muted mid-performance on Twitch. I'm pretty sure the other like 5 platforms Blizzcon was streamed from this did not happen. At least not from Blizzard's own stream.
How exactly they getting a taste of their own medicine? Wouldn’t they be having feeling losing the battle?
extra flavour: the way music fingerprinting algos work, they were either playing the song absolutely pitch perfect to the recording, tempo, tuning, mixing and all.. or straight up miming to a backing track like a 90s pop star.
Twitch has gone to far this time
This is what irony smells like, kids.
In fact they got blocked, because they were playing Mechanix.
Muting a band for performing their own song all because of "copyright".. especially the band that started the movement against illegal streaming and piracy..
How about just destroying Twitch with lawsuits and burying them for good because, let's be honest, has anything good ever came out of twitch?
The streamers are cool
1:17 Metallitouille lol
Just kidding I have the Thumbnail now! You guys made an amazing Thumbnail! Good job Rock Feed! I think Corey Taylor would absolutely love it!
bruh wtf
Why can we go back to the era of record a tape and let the fans take control of what ears get to. No corporations, no ownership except the ppl creating the content.
Metallica isn’t “getting a taste of their own medicine”. Piracy is illegal (and immoral), and Metallica had every reason and right to fight Napster. Streaming has also since destroyed musicians’ revenues. This thing with twitch is plainly absurd.
This is why the DMCA needs to be amended or revoked. It's gotten so ridiculous that live audio gets muted by musicians playing their own music. It is super funny that it happened to Metallica though. They made the bed, and now they gotta sleep in it.
Mr Lars Ulrich?
Napster sends its regards...
People don't seem get it.
It's like when you play copyrighted music on Facebook Live or in a video you post to Facebook, you get an automatic muted warning for that video.
Same with Twitch. No one was controlling the stream when it happened. It was an automated thing to mute "familiar" copyrighted songs and it was a mistake. Even though it was Metallica themselves performing it.
That means that their system is flawed. You shouldn't be muted or banned for playing your own music.
@@MrSucc-qi9ru I do agree. There should have been something figured out before the stream.
Karma at its finest.
Karma for what?
On one side I'm sick and tired of seeing this copyright BS being so aggressive and wish it would be stopped but on the other end, I am amused
This is what you call a pendulum swing. Haha tallica
Metallica got muted while limp bizkit kept on rollin
That moment, when the band who fought for this, got nailed for it 🤣
HA, youtube muted the elevator music. LMAO
Haha that’s what Lars gets for not wanting people to steal his music that he made and worked hours and hours for. Oh.... wait.
Everyone talks trash about Lars, that dude has fought hard and stood up for what was right, his art. No one is entitled to his work for free. How would you feel if your job didn’t pay you after 40 hours. You’d feel robbed. Bottom feeders like Spotify get away with it now regardless.
exactly
Someone on RUclips got a copyright strike simply from HUMMING a couple of bars of a song. This shit is getting outrageous.
Ladies and gentlemen,
This is a Metallica performance that we’ll never get to hear...