Kwaku, you said you put your doubts on the shelf and eventually they were answered.. unfortunately that isn't happening for me. I put my doubts away and proceeded to be baptized and figured "well, I don't have to think about that" and now they're all falling off the shelf and hitting me in the face and it's crushing my faith pretty hard. It's hard not to doubt my faith when there's so many things that are concerning and hard to ignore. I don't want to be the person that ignores it anymore, because I know it was going to come flooding back eventually, I guess I'm thankful it's now instead of years down the line when I have children or something... Just no one really talks about this a lot. So it does make me feel like there are only two options. Be okay with everything and go to church, or have a lot of issues with the church and leave because if not, everyone is going to look at you like you're gripped by Satan and treat you like you're falling into some dark hole. (this is actually happening to me) and I know it's just because people care but I want to be told for once that it's OKAY if I feel these things. It's okay that I don't like certain things. It's not stopping me from going to church, it's not stopping me from believing in God. Someday, it may stop me from being a Mormon, but I don't know. I really can't know. But doubt is just this thing that so many people feel alone in because stuff is rarely addressed. And so when you look into things (like blacks and the priesthood, polygamy, book of Abraham, first vision, masonry and the temple, etc etc) you feel like this is all this information you just weren't really ever taught and then you start doubting and things become concerning. It's not necessarily the information itself but rather that it's so rarely spoken about. Like the fact that Joseph Smith defended his life before dying by trying to shoot his attackers, I NEVER heard that in church. I don't think it's wrong that he did it, I just think it's wrong that they make it out like it's a bad thing and never talk about it. I brought up the story of Joseph and Fanny Alger to the Elders and they had NO idea. They never heard it at all. And so there's this issue that these things that cause people to leave the church are never addressed and that is what makes people leave even more. If people were just up front and were like "yeah this is what happened. let's talk about it." instead of sugar coating everything and making people feel like they're discovering this "secret hidden information" when they find things out I'm sure less people would leave. But it's like getting somebody to get in the car with you go for a ride and then when you get to your destination they realize they're somewhere they don't want to be and then they don't trust you anymore and leave. If you go to lds org and mormon org so much about the deep doctrinal things is not talked about. So people end up getting baptized based on this BASIC information, and then they end up running into things that they never knew and start doubting. Sorry this is so long but I really really wish people would just blatantly address these things and I know Kwaku kind of did on his other channel and I really appreciated that but still, these things are finding their way back in my mind and I need to address them instead of hiding them away again.
Hey Shauna Lee! I think you have some super valid points here. I would say it's hard because it just sort of depends who taught the various classes/discussion that dictates how much information was given to you. In fact, even people who are born into the Church may have parents or wards or seminaries that didn't go into things. The flaw there is not in the doctrine or the Church, but in the people. That is understandable, and I know it happens a lot. However, on lds.org they have documents that explore every topic you listed, and besides those documents there are talks and friends articles that have discussed these things for the last 80 years. I think the issue is people not knowing where to look, does that make sense?
Confused at what you mean-when? I learned about polygamy in primary. Also, the main scriptures about it are in our cannon (biggest one that comes to mind is D&C 132), so what was denied?
Update. The video ''Book of Abraham debunks anti-LDS Lies'' has thoroughly, soundly debunked all those anti-Book of Abraham videos. Thereby debunking all anti-Mormonism along the way in the process too. As only would the anti-Mormons, like they have, have banked on false assumptions as to how that the translation of the Book of Abraham was to be interpreted.
Purple Poet11. I. AM ALL 3 . i. am a born again evangelical christian that got saved june 23 1979. i have been saved every since. i. converted LDS nov 10 1985 and i embraced my Born again christian beliefs with some LDS BELIEFS... what Church one goes to has nothing to do with ones personal relationship with jesus christ who is fully God and man and is eternal and born of a virgin concieved of the holy ghost born of mary and it has nothing to do with your salvation what church one goes to.
Severius Brandusa first of all. you should not criticize the way i am texting you. i text the way i talk. i would suggest you dont criticize the way i text. i am not into all that grammar stuff plus i have a learning disability of borderline retardation based on the wechsler intelligence test for adults. second you do not know me and you are assuming i dont know the real biblical Jesus christ of the holy bible... No mormon that i have ever had encounters with will ask the question which Jesus are you referring to the biblical jesus or the lds jesus? Most believers in. the body of christ of all believers who are not ignorant of the word of GOD will ask that question which jesus? Dont assume that i believe in the lds jesus. if i did believe in the lds jesus i would not have ask the question which jesus are you referring to the biblical jesus or the lds jesus. YOU seem to fail to realize that i as a individual are well aware that mormons use christian terminology with a differant meaning then biblical christians do. you assume i believe in the mornon concept of jesus . when i said which jesus are you referring to the biblical jesus or the lds jesus i ask that because i dont know if you are a born again believer or lds... when i said the biblical jesus i mean jesus christ who is fully God and man and has always existed. You assume i dont know about joseph smith freemasonry and the occult symbols. i know more about mormonism more then you can e even imagine.. i have read all sources from mormonism from pro and con and critics and non critics to antimormon . one of the best books i use and like is mormonisms shadow and reality by jerald and sandra tanner..
Don't let your Mormon Bishop know you belong to (and attend) other churches. You'll be sharply disciplined (IF the Bishop follows the "Bishop's Handbook of Instructions" as he is supposed to). What are you doing? Covering all the bases?
So, I want to just amplify how I appreciate what you said in regards to doubts. I'm a Polynesian from NorCal grew up in the Almaden 2nd ward my whole life and moved 5 years ago to west valley, Utah. I'm not as active as before because I'm not attending an English speaking ward as my mother is Tongan so, I need to find an English speaking ward near me. I just want to say people who are Mormon or inactive Mormon should know that these doubts are necessary. The reason why I say this is because this is your self-confirmation that you are seeking to build with Heavenly Father through the saviour Jesus Christ. If you think that Heavenly father's love is a cookie cutter and that it's only black and white then you do not know the abundant love that he would send his begotten son to do the self-less will of his Father. Heavenly Father wants his children to seek him through their own testimony and not just from someone else's. What kind of belief mechanism would that be if we were to follow like sheep without testing how firm our faith is by seeking our individual answers. The pattern of Heavenly Father's love is as simple as planting a seed if you do not nourish it then it will not grow. Heavenly Father is of good and righteous and anything that follows in that shall grow and anything that follows opposing shall perish like isolation, alienation and no progression. There was a reason for the time and season in each and everyone's lives. Some find it sooner than others while some may never find it at all. I hope that as you seek the truth that you do so with an open and contrite spirit. I've been guilty to not have that contrite spirit and that openness because of the wickedness and hatred I've experienced growing up and endured. If you cannot trust your pain in Jesus Christ or choose not to then you've hardened yourself to say you don't need someone to help you carry the burden and especially not Jesus Christ. This same pride exist to this very latter-day and it makes you wonder why mental illness is abundant and people choose to see therapist or doctors. The real healing is the Saviour and those he puts in your life to help you along the way. I hope that people will desire to come together without contention and debate but with the openness to find inner peace and helping others on their way. One of my favorite primary song is "He sent his son". The church was created to bring together the weak and the weary not those who were already established, proud and meek. I've never learned so much fellowship from anyone or anything else but the LDS church. Ponder about what you say and do is it with a open mind and heart or is it to ignite contention, then you will know who you are serving.
I'm glad y'all are doing more Q&A! I have a whole hodgepodge of questions if you (or anyone else out there with a Mormon background) want to indulge my curiosity on one or two of them. 1) What's the difference between the President and the Prophet of the church? 2) Are Mormons allowed to use playing cards? 3) Do Mormons pray to Jesus or no? 4) Who are considered some of the top historical female Mormon role models? 5) Between the temple stuff and the not-complete-aversion to polygamy (at least in the hereafter and perhaps some rare divorce cases), Mormons seem very Old Testament to me; why do you not adhere to the Jewish rules surrounding food? 6) Will a person from another country ever be the prophet? If so, would he have to move to Utah? 7) Do LDS believe the Book of Abraham is metaphorical or literal? 8) Is it true the church picks which congregation you will attend and can arbitrarily redistrict? 9) If a woman is sealed to multiple men, with whom does she live in the afterlife? 10) Are married adults allowed to have oral sex or no? (sorry if that one offends) 11) What's this about 3 Nephites roaming the earth? I have no context; jus something I heard once.
J F 1) No difference: the prophet of the church is the president of the church as well. 2) Yes, but we don't gamble (can play games like Go Fish or Slapjacks, etc) 3) We pray to our Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.
J F I am not fully knowledgeable about most of the rest of your questions so I don't feel qualified to answer them for you, but if you still want to know, lds.org as well as Mormon.org are great resources you can turn to (as opposed to just typing things into a google search).
J F hey so about the question about the three Nephites, if you read 3rd nephi chapter 28 it tells the story there. Also on lds.org and Mormon.org you can find the story😊 since this was forever ago I don't know if you already found it, but just in case you're still wondering
An honest inquiry into one's faith requires gathering ALL sources on the subject(s), considering them ALL and then drawing a conclusion. If any person or org prevents you, or strongly requires you to NOT READ certain literature from CERTAIN sources on that topic, just explain that you are only doing what a REAL investigator would do---looking at *ALL* the evidence, pro and con. Why? Because the truth shall set you free....but first it may piss you off!!
@@42apostate God is the source of all truth and knowledge... study it out, ask your questions, then take it to the Lord for confirmation. I would not go to ALL sources... just legitimate ones :)
RamDaRealist The purpose of the endowment isn't to just find out what it looks like. Looking at anything without a greater context will never give you an objective perspective or a successful idea of what it truly means. In the endownment, the Savior's role in the redemption of mankind is central. In order for it to truly serve it's purpose, those in the session have to be worthy and spiritually clean. Criticizing what is sacred of other religions shows more about who you are as a person rather than those practicing the sacred ordinances in the edownment. I'm sure you'd not be too fond of me if I posted extremely intimate things about your life online and criticized or made fun of them.
Eat as many Brazilian hot dogs as possible because they are way better there. But in seriousness, start reading the Book of Mormon in Portuguese before you enter the MTC. Learn the doctrine and teach people.
with church on Sunday I believe that it was chosen that day for when God was creating the earth it took 7 days and he chose his last day to take a break.
Yayyyyy BRASIIIL! I didn’t you served here! That’s soo cool! Alsooo, the sabbath day is at sundays ‘cause Jesus resurrected on a sunday, so after Him it was stablish on a sunday
Adam, we pay 10%, which is not that much, and that is used by the church to help others after disasters and to feed people with no food (i know helping others is "evil" and can you please not talk about certain subjects like this if you clearly don't know what you are talking about But even so if you hate Mormons, then you can keep those opinions to yourself and why are you on this channel if you hate Mormons?
3 Mormons Listen, you gotta look more into your doctrine and history, Joseph Smith was a polygamous, a convicted criminal, practiced divination, made false prophecies, had a vision from angel Moroni who is not mentioned in the bible, plagerized the bible, changed it over 5,000 times, has no historical evidence, you teach a different God and different Jesus that is described not in what the bible says, he made fraudulent translations with Egyptian papyry scrolls, and he got caught in a hoax
@@michaelscott916 Convicted criminal only of a state that misunderstood him and tried to kill the mormons. And you are right, they did practice polygamy, because God commanded it... just like Abraham and other prophets of the old testament. Besides, if you look at how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is set up, there isn't a church in this world that is exactly how Christ Himself set it up when He was on the earth except for this one. There isn't a single church that you can find that is even close. Nobody else has 15 apostles like the Bible teaches (12 initially and 3 more were called after Christ's ascension). Quorums of the 70, teachers priests and bishops. Nobody else builds temples and is active in the gathering of Israel or bringing the blessings of Abraham to his seed as God promised. No other church fulfills all of the prophecies which have been declared by all the prophets as well as Christ, or hold the authority after the order of Melchisedec just as Christ did(Hebrews 5: 1-10). There are just too many things that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has right.
Michael Scott um smith has one wife that was emma smith ( i’m named after her!). what was he convicted for? moroni is in the book of mormon (they are different) he never messed with the bible. if we have no evidence then how did you get yours? huh smarty? we teach of heavenly father and of jesus christ and to be more christ like. heavenly father gives us talents and gifts for example the gift of youngest or if knowing and being fluent in that language, smith needed that gift then so god gave it to him. and it was written on paper the same as the bible? and that was because god wanted others to get it and read his teachings and before it was gold! yea he did because everyone hated mormons and him mostly so there was no way out.
OMG I LOVE THAT AFTER WATCHING LITERALLY ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS IN LIKE 2 WEEKS AND READING A WHOLE BUNCH OF COMMENTS I LIKE K N O W THE DUDE WHO COMMENTED AT 1:50 ahaha
Brandon Flowers and Dan Reynolds are Mormon. But Arcade Fire is absolutely NOT Mormon. The Butler brothers were raised Mormon, but have publicly denounced it as their faith, and literally wrote an entire album about organized religion.
Can you please put some background music throughout the video to keep it interesting? Not that it's not interesting but It would feel less awkward when there's silence.
I can answer why it's on Sunday a little more clearly. It actually was on Saturday, but ever since Christ was resurrected on a Sunday it is now Sunday. That's when it changed. If you see Acts 20 : 7 it explains how they broke bread on the first day of the week. And we know on the calendar that is Sunday.
Nicole Taylor that makes sense I knew about Saturday didn't know the second part. I do like how he talked about the military. I've got friends that are in the military and wondered how they did the sacrament and now I wanna ask lol
Have you ever actually seen an ancient American drawing of an elephant? No, neither have I. Someone told you that it existed and you just assumed it was true. As for etchings, that is a printmaking technique invented in Medieval Europe for making drawings and decorations. There are no ancient etchings ever dug up in North America. If you think there were then let me ask you again, have you ever seen one? No, no one has. Stop persisting in this insanity. The bones of mammoths have been found in North America, but analysis of these remains shows that mammoths went extinct in North America by 10,000 BC, well before any Jaredites, Nephites, or Lamanites were supposed to have arrived.
1. We have so few drawings from ancient Native cultures dating back to the BOM time period. We don't have enough to make an honest conclusion from that alone. 2. FairMormon states: "Mammoths could have easily been present in North America at the time of the Jaredites (the only time that elephants are mentioned in the Book of Mormon). The Wikipedia article "Mammoth" notes: 'A mammoth is any species of the extinct genus Mammuthus, proboscideans commonly equipped with long, curved tusks and, in northern species, a covering of long hair. They lived from the Pliocene epoch (from around 5 million years ago) into the Holocene at about 4,500 years ago[1][2] in Africa, Europe, Asia, and North America. They were members of the family Elephantidae which contains, along with mammoths, the two genera of modern elephants and their ancestors. [1]'" Also: "The Elephant is only mentioned in the Book of Ether. If the elephants had died off at least 3000 years ago, they would still have been well within range of the Jaredite era. Ludwell Johnson wrote in 1952: Discoveries of associations of human and proboscidean remains [Elephantine mammals, including, elephants, mammoths, and mastodons] are by no means uncommon. As of 1950, MacCowan listed no less than twenty-seven” including, as noted by Hugo Gross, a “partly burned mastodon skeleton and numerous potsherds at Alangasi, Ecuador...There can no longer be any doubt that man and elephant coexisted in America.... Probably it is safe to say that American Proboscidea have been extinct for a minimum of 3000 years. [2]"
No matter how many times experts make absolute statements and are proven wrong by later discoveries, they seem to never get the message. Elephants, barley, wheels and chariots have all been label anachronisms in America only to be supported by later findings. Stop saying something can't exist. The experts just can't know that.
Ray Edwards It's always strange how individuals assume I haven't researched this subject. For some reason they just assume they know more about being black than I do. Weird.
Ray Edwards Again, its remarkable how people assume that I'm not smart enough to know the history of the church and leaders in regards to blacks. It's insulting for you to think that a black Mormon who hosts a Mormon talkshow, wouldn't know. Its insulting you think you're enlightening me about my own race. That's not love pal.
Ray Edwards So I need a seed planted? I wouldn't know these things before you? The underlying issue is that you assume you know more than a black Mormon, about black people in the religion. Given all the things brown people have been through in America, it's so ridiculous you assume we aren't educated on this topic. As if I'm not smart enough to read, or figure it out myself. Yikes, it may be time to listen, instead of pretending to be the savior of information to those who look like me.
The saints march on, while the critics clamor for attention, pulling, pleading, often demanding that we reject the Holy Spirit of God. They shout, "But, look here! Look there! What about this?!" No matter. The elect hear his voice and follow, and never look back. I'm a volunteer with FairMormon.org and I can help answer questions regarding church history, doctrine, contemporary issues, etc. Please email me any time: leowinegar@gmail.com Every. Single. Known. Issue. Has. Been. Addressed. Period. God bless.
I grew up in an extremely religious Assemblies of God (Pentecostal, speaking in tongues) home. I have always been interested in other religious traditions, and asked my parents about Mormonism. I was told that while most Mormons follow the same morality as our faith; that they are not Christians because they (1) believe that Jesus is a created being, and (2) believe that faithful mormons will be gods themselves when they die. I guess that in their minds, this violates the image of Jesus as eternal, and the idea of monotheism. Are these statements accurate about your faith? Do you think that this argument holds theological merit? I'm interested to hear your response, I've never talked to a Mormon before.
We believe that Jesus is a created being, like all people are created beings. However we believe he is the firstborn of all God's children, and that he existed pre-mortally. Our take on Jesus Christ is incredibly divine. We do believe we can become like Heavenly Father one day, we believe that we are his children and he wants us to be like him. There is a debate here, however we are Christians. Often times, Christians like to believe their sect is the only sect or denomination that can truly be called Christian, but by definition a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. So yes, Mormons are Christians. We just have doctrine that often differs from mainstream Christianity, but thats okay. Sometimes what is mainstream, isn't always whats true ;)
The answer to the arranged marriage question is: you can have an arranged marriage. Arrange it yourself. Date for marriage. That’s what I did. Statistically arranged marriages (healthy ones where the husband and wife are in control) last longer than un arranged marriages. 😉
As to Revelation 22:18, I largely agree with Kwaku. However, Joseph Smith, in his Inspired Version (the JST), even altered that particular book, Revelation. too.
Does your religion focus more on the Book of Mormon than the bible which is God’s word? place your pride aside and read Numbers 23:19 I pray for you I pray you see the truth in the end we are all hypocrites and misguided in some way, However your believing that someday you will also be a God and this is blasphemy
God will lead us as long as we submit to him and give up our pride. I would love to share a few things with you that might open up a new world to you. Guaranteed to be nothing you've ever heard before.
when you were on your mission in Brazil, did you ever hear about an elder who had to have his appendix removed IN Brazil instead of coming back to the US
Well I think having friendships with non-Mormons is normal and good! I live in the U.S., a multicultural and diverse country, so a great deal of my friends are of other faiths or none! Religion should never be a deciding factor on whether or not you should be someone's friend. As for dating, I believe it's probably wisest and healthiest to date someone who is LDS, if you're LDS. However, love is powerful and it often triumphs over religious differences. Not to mention, many have been converted to the church when dating a member, so at the end of the day, you do you! Date someone who makes you happy and treats you well
Kwaku El I agree with you. Like even if you aren't LDS, trying to date someone outside of your beliefs will make for a very difficult relationship. They've done studies on it.
Ian Forsyth have the two of you gentlemen considered getting a temporary female replacement? That way we have a female perspective/addition until Shelley comes back?
Ian, you stated: "That's literally a folklore myth. No where in the scriptures does it say that." I refer you to the following verses in The Book of Abraham, chapter 1: 21.Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth. 22.From this descent sprang all the Egyptians, and thus the blood of the Canaanites was preserved in the land. 23.The land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden; 24.When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land. 27.Now, Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood, notwithstanding the Pharaohs would fain claim it from Noah, through Ham, therefore my father was led away by their idolatry; Taken in the context of historical quotes by many latter-day prophets and apostles prior to Kimball, I would say that the (former) position of the LDS church did change regarding this matter and I would call it more than just "folklore myth" or, as it states in the LDS.org essay on Race and the Priesthood, "theories to explain the priesthood and temple restrictions." (See: www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng&old=true) These quotes are well documented in former church publications. Just because the LDS church stopped printing those books and magazines because of their embarrassing quotes, doesn't mean they didn't happen.: www.mormonthink.com/blackweb.htm#racistcomments
I've read these verses. Let me refer you to a quote by Armand L. Mauss (Sociologist) - "[W]e see that the Book of Abraham says nothing about lineages set aside in the pre-existence, but only about distinguished individuals. The Book of Abraham is the only place, furthermore, that any scriptures speak of the priesthood being withheld from any lineage, but even then it is only the specific lineage of the pharaohs of Egypt, and there is no explanation as to why that lineage could not have the priesthood, or whether the proscription was temporary or permanent, or which other lineages, if any, especially in the modern world, would be covered by that proscription. At the same time, the passages in Genesis and Moses, for their part, do not refer to any priesthood proscription, and no color change occurs in either Cain or Ham, or even in Ham's son Canaan, who, for some unexplained reason, was the one actually cursed! There is no description of the mark on Cain, except that the mark was supposed to protect him from vengeance. It's true that in the seventh chapter of Moses, we learn that descendants of Cain became black, but not until the time of Enoch, six generations after Cain, and even then only in a vision of Enoch about an unspecified future time. There is no explanation for this blackness; it is not even clear that we are to take it literally." If someone were to use those scriptures as a theory to the priesthood ban, it is only theory and not Church Doctrine. The priesthood ban was a policy enacted by Brigham Young. Never was it considered a core doctrine that certain children of God would be denied exaltation by their skin tone. 2 Nephi 26:33.
Daniel, as someone who served in Ghana, I've always found this issue to be close to my heart. I think the Church has done well to clarify and correct things that have been spoken in err in the past, as you have rightly cited in the Essay that Church wrote on the subject. Whenever God has had Human messengers, there have been mistakes. That being said, most of the New Testament is letters by other Apostles, trying to clarify the mistakes of their Brethren. If your argument is that the need for clarification and correction is grounds to disregard authorized messengers of God, even the words of the original 12 Apostles are in question. Now, as to your referencing this particular scripture, it strikes me as a false parallel. "We know for a fact that this Pharaoh and his followers were restricted from the Priesthood, and that the reason given is because they were descendants of Cain. We also know the scripture referred to those descendants as a Race. We also know for a fact that the Lord chose to restrict certain Blacks from the Priesthood, and Black is a Race, so the same reasoning must apply." Whenever I find myself guessing at the motivations of the Lord, I just have to recognize that, most of the time, I'm probably wrong. For example, the Old and New Testaments are littered with examples of the Lord restricting His priesthood, for many reasons. Simon was restricted because of personal unrighteousness. All of Israel, with the exception of the Levites, were restricted from it in the time of Moses. We've no reason to believe that it's because the Levites were particularly righteous (Levi's own father referred to him as an instrument of cruelty. He also murdered the Schechemites). Women have, as of yet, never held the Priesthood. We do not know why Heavenly Father made these decisions, and until He specifies, all attempts at understanding are just guesses.
I respect your sincerity, but I find your answer unsatisfactory. The fact is that the "negro" race was barred from the temple and the priesthood for over a century by men who were supposedly called by God and guided by revelation. Furthermore, those same men did give explanations on numerous occasions for the reasons that they were barred. The church lectures its members on all kinds of matters which are much more trivial, like how many earrings or which Sunday clothes to wear under the guise that they are inspired teachings. Yet the church has no explanation as to why the priesthood ban happened except that those men were a product of their time and essentially racists. The church puts a high value on integrity, yet the very same church obfuscates and whitewashes its history. Not to mention the FACT that the very word Pharaoh, in the Book of Abraham, is an anachronism, since the word or title was not used in Abraham's time. So there's that, and about a thousand other evidences that it is all a fraud. When you consider that maybe the church leaders are not inspired at all, it all makes much more sense.
"The fact is that the "negro" race was barred from the temple and the priesthood for over a century by men who were supposedly called by God and guided by revelation." - That is true. I'm not sure anyone is denying that. "Yet the church has no explanation as to why the priesthood ban happened except that those men were a product of their time and essentially racists" - It sounds like your concerns are twofold. First, it sounds like you are saying that because Blacks (and mind you, not all blacks) were barred from holding the Priesthood, the Church is not true. To that, I can only say, it is the Lord's Priesthood, and He can do what He likes with it. Who "deserves" the Priesthood of God? Previously He barred a lot of people from it. Some, it appears, because they did something to disqualify themselves. Others, because He simply did not need them to have it. Currently, He bars women from it. None of that is mark of the character of those who have it, or those who do not have it. Second, if we accept that God has the right to limit His Priesthood, the concern remains that the Church does not have any explanation as to why that happened. That is also true. The same holds true for a large variety of commandments, however. If that's your logic, there are a lot of practices and commandments that are off the table within all of Christianity. "The church puts a high value on integrity, yet the very same church obfuscates and whitewashes its history." - I think the Church has been guilty of that in the past, but then again, the Church has been publishing primary documents for mass consumption (the Joseph Smith papers, for example), and addressing these concerns with a series of essays, covering topics like Polygamy, Blacks and Priesthood. The fact that the average person is not an expert in the subject is not the same thing as actively trying to hide it. "Not to mention the FACT that the very word Pharaoh, in the Book of Abraham, is an anachronism, since the word or title was not used in Abraham's time." No English word in the Book of Abraham was used at that time. The same holds true for the entire Bible, though, right? But the idea those words intended are most accurately conveyed to modern readers using the language those readers are most familiar with. Frankly, I am not sure we need to have a perfect understanding of something to begin to exercise faith in it. I can't understand every principle by which smartphones work, and I use them all the time. I began driving long before I was an expert at the practice. I began doing addition before I bothered learning the origin of numbers. It sounds like you hold the Mormon religion to a different standard. In my experience, being LDS has helped me feel closer to my Heavenly Father, taught me more about the Savior, and done more to improve my character than any other organization, philosophy, or practice I have participated in.
"It sounds like you hold the Mormon religion to a different standard." It should be held to a different standard. As soon as you say that it is the one true church who is led by a prophet and apostles called of God and led by God, you have set a different standard. It sounds to me like there is no standard low enough to cause you any concern. "In my experience, being LDS has helped me feel closer to my Heavenly Father, taught me more about the Savior, and done more to improve my character than any other organization, philosophy, or practice I have participated in." Good. But that answers a different question as to whether it holds the truth. An organization can do good things but still not have valid truth claims.
Sure doubt your doubts, but keep your faith in (fill in the blank) _________. I hope you are stating to keep your faith in CHRIST, not in following men-prophets. (wink). I "doubt" you two have studied much outside the manuals of the church? NOw I will doubt that doubt and pretend you have. (wink)
There was no apostasy. The first heresy was the gnostic movement, and heretical movement after heretical movement does not mean an apostasy happened. Apostasy assumes the original church of Christ does not exist or have priesthood authority. Sorry to break it to you guys, but the Roman Catholic Church still has priesthood, and is the original church of Christ Jesus. It is traceable all the way back to Saint Peter. Every Father can be traced back to Saint Peter with the laying on of hands. This is just another flavor of heresy.
Just a correction. You are correct, in that the scriptures do not state anything about blacks and priesthood, however... (breath)... it was a prophet, namely Brigham Young that stated Blacks are Cain's posterity that cannot have the priesthood, amongst other "Brigham-esc" statements (like the blood atonement and the sun people to boot (wink) ). We are told by the church today, that Brigham was just being Brigham, not a prophet at the time he stated these things, just his opinion. Fair enough, people are not perfect, and I'd be half crazy to have as many wives as he did - the logistics alone (yikes). Source: www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/brigham1852feb5_priesthoodandblacks.htm We as practicing (the restored gospel as Joseph taught it) believe that prophets speak for the Lord, however, we have come to understand that modern day claimed LDS prophets, seers, and revelators, receive no more revelation or inspiration than any lay member or C.S. Lewis at that, as they have yet to prophesy, see as a seer, or come close to scriptural prophetic patterns. Great men, often inspired as much as any of us, but as far as fruits of prophets, seers, and revelators - they just ain't there - and ain't ain't a word, so don't use it!
The saints march on, while the critics clamor for attention, pulling, pleading, often demanding that we reject the Holy Spirit of God. They shout, "But, look here! Look there! What about this?!" No matter. The elect hear his voice and follow, and never look back. I'm a volunteer with FairMormon.org and I can help answer questions regarding church history, doctrine, contemporary issues, etc. Please email me any time: leowinegar@gmail.com Every. Single. Known. Issue. Has. Been. Addressed. Period. God bless.
"sun people" This is an antiMormon myth. BY never said there were people living on the sun.. I have found when antiMormons speak, always give you the source and look it up for yourself to see what he actually said.
Not sure if you're being very anti-Mormon or if you're Mormon and just mentioning things?? Can you elaborate? (I'm autistic and LDS and I can't really read what you're saying as in the definition) 🤔
My father said that when he was teaching institute or whatever it's called they made him teach that black people are indeed descendants from Cain and were "cursed" with dark skin. He said that he had to teach that for a while when he was an institute teacher in Nigeria. Now, I'm a member; and I do have a testimony, it's just when people like you guys leave out stuff like this it gets me frustrated. Why can't we be more open about the past instead of acting like it never happened. You guys didn't even mention the 100 years when blacks couldn't even have the priesthood. If you have a video that talks about the church's history please refer me to it, or MAKE those kind of videos, it would be deeply appreciated to more people than you may realize.
Kwaku did a video about hit here is a link: m.ruclips.net/video/NEnPSDTYJ_s/видео.html .Also this other video talks about it too: m.ruclips.net/video/HqjluxtvRjw/видео.html
I think the verse from the bible was talking about the churches that made there own rules in stuff. Not to be rude, i love other churches, im just saying thats what i think
When King James translators were translating the KJV Bible between 1604 and 1611, they would occasionally put in their own words into the text to make the English more readable. We know exactly what these words are because they're italicized in the KJV Bible. What are these 17th century italicized words doing in the Book of Mormon? Word for word? What does this say about the Book of Mormon being an ancient record? ISAIAH 9:1 (KJV) Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. 2 NEPHI 19:1 Nevertheless, the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun, and the land of Naphtali, and afterwards did more grievously afflict by the way of the Red Sea beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations. Read both passages side by side if you don't believe me.
i see A lot of good similarities of mormonism and muslim. why do i see similarities ? Because i believe in looking at the good in all things and giving. a good report praiseworthy of all things
12345soccerguy. i am not a typical illiterate liberal. i am a eccentric electic free thinker liberal who holds the basic essentials of the orthodox historic christian faith evangelically while holding liberal views on other topics .
12345soccerguy. i am not ignorant of the evils of religion nor am i ignorant of the false doctrines. and skeltons of religouis history. i am well read on these things more then you can imagine. i would agree to disagree with you regarding that just looking at the good things is being ignorant . i would say for some it would be ignorant but not all are ignorant either. nobody has to tell me about the evils of religion not to mention just a few such as the mormon mountain meadows masscre. joseph smith in paulaundry and plural marriage. joseph smith in glass looking and also involved in peepstoning and being a mason. the corruption and abuse of power of popes of the roman catholic popes. the priests who had sex with minors. the paying of indulegences. jones town cult and all the ones that died. the murdering of matthew shepherd. the insane wacco davidians cult. The rip off of money from tv ministries. the scam of tammy and jimmy baker. witness lee in its affairs that he had with another women. the mormon church telling its members to go against gay marriage and support prop 8 which backfired... utahs teenage suicide rate very high. the mormon temple ceremonies changed after 1990. john d lee confessions. the mormon fake documents. the cult kidnnapping cult members. extreme fundamentalism controling its members...etc etc i could go on and on and on....my whole point is i know and have seen the evils of religion . also there are the evils of religion of judgmentalism and intolerance of others beliefs by condemning and demonizing and name calling and stereotyping individuals....i will not stereotype individuals and judge them personally....people are individuals. there is the other extreme of people geting caught up in just the negative side of things in religion. i. think there should be a balance. one can look at the good and evil in all religion
12345soccerguy. i am not ignorant of the evils of religion nor am i ignorant of the false doctrines. and skeltons of religouis history. i am well read on these things more then you can imagine. i would agree to disagree with you regarding that just looking at the good things is being ignorant . i would say for some it would be ignorant but not all are ignorant either. nobody has to tell me about the evils of religion not to mention just a few such as the mormon mountain meadows masscre. joseph smith in paulaundry and plural marriage. joseph smith in glass looking and also involved in peepstoning and being a mason. the corruption and abuse of power of popes of the roman catholic popes. the priests who had sex with minors. the paying of indulegences. jones town cult and all the ones that died. the murdering of matthew shepherd. the insane wacco davidians cult. The rip off of money from tv ministries. the scam of tammy and jimmy baker. witness lee in its affairs that he had with another women. the mormon church telling its members to go against gay marriage and support prop 8 which backfired... utahs teenage suicide rate very high. the mormon temple ceremonies changed after 1990. john d lee confessions. the mormon fake documents. the cult kidnnapping cult members. extreme fundamentalism controling its members...etc etc i could go on and on and on....my whole point is i know and have seen the evils of religion . also there are the evils of religion of judgmentalism and intolerance of others beliefs by condemning and demonizing and name calling and stereotyping individuals....i will not stereotype individuals and judge them personally....people are individuals. there is the other extreme of people geting caught up in just the negative side of things in religion. i. think there should be a balance. one can look at the good and evil in all religion
Looking at just the good in religion and ignoring the bad, IS being willfully ignorant. Not many things are worse than willfull ignorance. Nothing wrong with ignorance. Most of us are ignorant about many things. Few are willfully ignorant. The place I see willfull ignorance *practiced as a sacrament*, is within Mormonism.
it bothers me that the details of the temple ceremonies arent discussed in detail . what really bothers me is joseph smith was a mason...mason is not a christian
J. pink actually Masons are very much Christian, in fact they were founded by the rosecrution (sp?) monks and are basically the last remnants of those monks. Please do some research before throwing out lies, just because the masons are secret doesn't mean they're evil- if they were, why would they own hospitals where children who are sick get free care??? THE SHRINERS HOSPITALS. Hmm??? Also, our temples are SACRED not SECRET. We do not share something that is sacred because we don't need it being misused by man for his own amusement.
@@Ari-vr4kp no Masons are not Christians like mormons are not Christians. According to Isaiah 43:10 ,Isaiah 44:6 there is no God besides the true God .no one can god .that's a false teaching from satan the devil.
I often wondered what a troll is ? I guess a troll is simply a person who disagrees with you! I guess someone who agrees with you is a…….? I wouldn’t say I don’t want to be a troll Lol
Please make a video on the Temple Endowment pre-1990 and why it was changed. Also the temple endowment vs masonry and JS's history with the Masons. What about JS's death and the issues that led it it. Thanks guys.
Regarding the Sabbath. God rested on the 7th day, so in Old Testament times the law was to keep the sabbath day holy on the 7th day... which is Saturday. That was under the Mosaic law, before Christ came down and with His death and resurrection fulfilled the law and instituted the new and greater law (this is also why we don't need to sacrifice animals anymore as well). Christ was resurrected on the first day of the week which is Sunday. After His resurrection we read in The Acts "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them..." meaning the Apostles now partook of the sacrament on Sunday. I think of it like this, and I may be wrong... God created the world and on the 7th day He rested, so we as well rest from our labors as a sign of respect for His creation and obedience to His law. However when Christ raised from the dead, and accomplished the Atonement, we now have something better to be thankful for and so, Sunday is now a time to remember our Savior and His accomplishment, the Atonement. This is also why we participate in the sacrament on Sunday, because that is the day he was resurrected. I love the symbolism behind the sabbath.
Noname 😂 evolution! Mormons! 😂 They say it's bull sh$t! Not true, huge lies! They believe the whole bible/god created the earth in a few days. However, I'm sure Joseph smith corrected that part of the Bible. His corrections to the Bible are in the doctrine and covenants, barf. BTW, Joseph Smith was a pedophile, he married his 13 year old niece and proceeded to rape the sh&it out of her and his other 50 plus wives. Seriously Mormonism is horrific. They try to destroy children's minds. I think the broadway show says it best "turn it off"!
Wow, I'm sorry that Laura is so vehemently aggressive. Lds.org says "The Church has no official position on the theory of evolution. Organic evolution, or changes to species’ inherited traits over time, is a matter for scientific study." Here is the Church's last official publication regarding evolution, reposted from it's original publication in 1909: www.lds.org/ensign/2002/02/the-origin-of-man?lang=eng
Except for this quotation from Joseph Fielding Smith that's a little troubling. "If evolution is true, the church is false. If life began on earth as advocated by Darwin, Huxley, Haeckel, and others of this school, whether by chance or by some designing hand, then the doctrines of the Church are false." That comes from the Doctrines of Salvation if you are interested.
Practicing Mormon apologetics at such a tender age! Nice! You guys are young and my bet is that some day you will recognize that the truth is not found in the LDS church. When that happens, you may find yourself doing some major self imposed face palms. Hopefully, because of deeply ingrained sacrifice bias, it won't be too late for you to change. Anyway, best of luck on your own journey. I just think it's sad that you are already inadvertently muddying the issues in people's minds by defending the Mormon dogma.
You are free to keep believing that, but it has no basis in reality. Mormonism has to deal with several egregious and definitive evidences against it, but, even if you were able to, somehow, come to terms with those, belief in Mormonisms still should die a death of a thousand cuts.
Once again total idiocy!! Seems as though they chose comments that are dumb to make Mormonism look good!! Nice move!! Now let's talk reality, ever hear of DNA!?!, ever hear of scholarly Egyptology?? Come on
We have several videos discussing the topics you mentioned, including DNA evidence, Egyptology, etc... Be sure to check out our Faith and Beliefs series for more 'scripted' and researched responses to these questions.
So, I was thinking. Theoretically speaking, could you be a Straight Man with a wife and children, and a Word of Wisdom abiding, member of the church and following all the doctrine, and be a Drag Queen? I do know there's a verse Along the lines of a woman shall not wear a men's clothing or they be an abomination Yada Yada, but historically men wore high heels, kilts and dressed of sorts, make up, and wigs. Women only caught on many years later and claimed it as their own. So would that be against some form of doctrine if one is soundly secure in themselves and uses it as a Expressive Artistic Outlet?
Everyone has doubts and there is nothing wrong with that. Not doing anything about the doubts is wrong on the other hand. One reason the Lord asks us to study and pray.
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That 70's show reference cracked me up😂😂 Love your videos guys, keep it up!👌👌
This was just amazing to watch. It answered questions but was also really funny. Definitely make more videos like this! lol.
Kwaku, that's your "Yet Shelf"! Things you don't understand.... yet. Glad to see you putting it to good use! I still have a few things on mine! :)
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Love these videos. Keep them coming.
Kwaku, you said you put your doubts on the shelf and eventually they were answered.. unfortunately that isn't happening for me. I put my doubts away and proceeded to be baptized and figured "well, I don't have to think about that" and now they're all falling off the shelf and hitting me in the face and it's crushing my faith pretty hard. It's hard not to doubt my faith when there's so many things that are concerning and hard to ignore. I don't want to be the person that ignores it anymore, because I know it was going to come flooding back eventually, I guess I'm thankful it's now instead of years down the line when I have children or something... Just no one really talks about this a lot. So it does make me feel like there are only two options. Be okay with everything and go to church, or have a lot of issues with the church and leave because if not, everyone is going to look at you like you're gripped by Satan and treat you like you're falling into some dark hole. (this is actually happening to me) and I know it's just because people care but I want to be told for once that it's OKAY if I feel these things. It's okay that I don't like certain things. It's not stopping me from going to church, it's not stopping me from believing in God. Someday, it may stop me from being a Mormon, but I don't know. I really can't know. But doubt is just this thing that so many people feel alone in because stuff is rarely addressed. And so when you look into things (like blacks and the priesthood, polygamy, book of Abraham, first vision, masonry and the temple, etc etc) you feel like this is all this information you just weren't really ever taught and then you start doubting and things become concerning. It's not necessarily the information itself but rather that it's so rarely spoken about. Like the fact that Joseph Smith defended his life before dying by trying to shoot his attackers, I NEVER heard that in church. I don't think it's wrong that he did it, I just think it's wrong that they make it out like it's a bad thing and never talk about it. I brought up the story of Joseph and Fanny Alger to the Elders and they had NO idea. They never heard it at all. And so there's this issue that these things that cause people to leave the church are never addressed and that is what makes people leave even more. If people were just up front and were like "yeah this is what happened. let's talk about it." instead of sugar coating everything and making people feel like they're discovering this "secret hidden information" when they find things out I'm sure less people would leave.
But it's like getting somebody to get in the car with you go for a ride and then when you get to your destination they realize they're somewhere they don't want to be and then they don't trust you anymore and leave. If you go to lds org and mormon org so much about the deep doctrinal things is not talked about. So people end up getting baptized based on this BASIC information, and then they end up running into things that they never knew and start doubting.
Sorry this is so long but I really really wish people would just blatantly address these things and I know Kwaku kind of did on his other channel and I really appreciated that but still, these things are finding their way back in my mind and I need to address them instead of hiding them away again.
Shauna Lee You're more than welcome to send me a message or email on here! I'd love to talk to you about some of that stuff
Hey Shauna Lee! I think you have some super valid points here. I would say it's hard because it just sort of depends who taught the various classes/discussion that dictates how much information was given to you. In fact, even people who are born into the Church may have parents or wards or seminaries that didn't go into things. The flaw there is not in the doctrine or the Church, but in the people. That is understandable, and I know it happens a lot.
However, on lds.org they have documents that explore every topic you listed, and besides those documents there are talks and friends articles that have discussed these things for the last 80 years. I think the issue is people not knowing where to look, does that make sense?
Confused at what you mean-when? I learned about polygamy in primary. Also, the main scriptures about it are in our cannon (biggest one that comes to mind is D&C 132), so what was denied?
Update. The video ''Book of Abraham debunks anti-LDS Lies'' has thoroughly, soundly debunked all those anti-Book of Abraham videos. Thereby debunking all anti-Mormonism along the way in the process too. As only would the anti-Mormons, like they have, have banked on false assumptions as to how that the translation of the Book of Abraham was to be interpreted.
Shauna Lee Check out Mormon Think, it gives more than one side of issues. You are wise to figure this out before you have children.
i love the diversity of these videos they are educating and comical. i am a Evangelical born again christian and a Latter day saint convert
pinky pink I'm confused. Which one are you currently? Or are you ALWAYS all 3?
Purple Poet11. I. AM ALL 3 . i. am a born again evangelical christian that got saved june 23 1979. i have been saved every since. i. converted LDS nov 10 1985 and i embraced my Born again christian beliefs with some LDS BELIEFS... what Church one goes to has nothing to do with ones personal relationship with jesus christ who is fully God and man and is eternal and born of a virgin concieved of the holy ghost born of mary and it has nothing to do with your salvation what church one goes to.
+Severius Brandusa. which JESUS are you referring to ? the BIBLICAL JESUS or the LDS jesus?
Severius Brandusa first of all. you should not criticize the way i am texting you. i text the way i talk. i would suggest you dont criticize the way i text. i am not into all that grammar stuff plus i have a learning disability of borderline retardation based on the wechsler intelligence test for adults. second you do not know me and you are assuming i dont know the real biblical Jesus christ of the holy bible... No mormon that i have ever had encounters with will ask the question which Jesus are you referring to the biblical jesus or the lds jesus? Most believers in. the body of christ of all believers who are not ignorant of the word of GOD will ask that question which jesus? Dont assume that i believe in the lds jesus. if i did believe in the lds jesus i would not have ask the question which jesus are you referring to the biblical jesus or the lds jesus. YOU seem to fail to realize that i as a individual are well aware that mormons use christian terminology with a differant meaning then biblical christians do. you assume i believe in the mornon concept of jesus . when i said which jesus are you referring to the biblical jesus or the lds jesus i ask that because i dont know if you are a born again believer or lds... when i said the biblical jesus i mean jesus christ who is fully God and man and has always existed. You assume i dont know about joseph smith freemasonry and the occult symbols. i know more about mormonism more then you can e even imagine.. i have read all sources from mormonism from pro and con and critics and non critics to antimormon . one of the best books i use and like is mormonisms shadow and reality by jerald and sandra tanner..
Don't let your Mormon Bishop know you belong to (and attend) other churches. You'll be sharply disciplined (IF the Bishop follows the "Bishop's Handbook of Instructions" as he is supposed to).
What are you doing? Covering all the bases?
"It's not kosher to worship on Sunday."
Hilarious!
So, I want to just amplify how I appreciate what you said in regards to doubts. I'm a Polynesian from NorCal grew up in the Almaden 2nd ward my whole life and moved 5 years ago to west valley, Utah. I'm not as active as before because I'm not attending an English speaking ward as my mother is Tongan so, I need to find an English speaking ward near me. I just want to say people who are Mormon or inactive Mormon should know that these doubts are necessary. The reason why I say this is because this is your self-confirmation that you are seeking to build with Heavenly Father through the saviour Jesus Christ. If you think that Heavenly father's love is a cookie cutter and that it's only black and white then you do not know the abundant love that he would send his begotten son to do the self-less will of his Father. Heavenly Father wants his children to seek him through their own testimony and not just from someone else's. What kind of belief mechanism would that be if we were to follow like sheep without testing how firm our faith is by seeking our individual answers. The pattern of Heavenly Father's love is as simple as planting a seed if you do not nourish it then it will not grow. Heavenly Father is of good and righteous and anything that follows in that shall grow and anything that follows opposing shall perish like isolation, alienation and no progression. There was a reason for the time and season in each and everyone's lives. Some find it sooner than others while some may never find it at all. I hope that as you seek the truth that you do so with an open and contrite spirit. I've been guilty to not have that contrite spirit and that openness because of the wickedness and hatred I've experienced growing up and endured. If you cannot trust your pain in Jesus Christ or choose not to then you've hardened yourself to say you don't need someone to help you carry the burden and especially not Jesus Christ. This same pride exist to this very latter-day and it makes you wonder why mental illness is abundant and people choose to see therapist or doctors. The real healing is the Saviour and those he puts in your life to help you along the way. I hope that people will desire to come together without contention and debate but with the openness to find inner peace and helping others on their way. One of my favorite primary song is "He sent his son". The church was created to bring together the weak and the weary not those who were already established, proud and meek. I've never learned so much fellowship from anyone or anything else but the LDS church. Ponder about what you say and do is it with a open mind and heart or is it to ignite contention, then you will know who you are serving.
LOVES. Keep the faith. Forgive, tolerate, explain when you can. Onward Christian soldiers. 🙏🏼💛🙏💛🙏💛
I love you guys. Keep up the good work.
Heather Luna And we love youuuuuu!
i agree
7:02 - 8:24 THE most solid roast ever - have rewound and rewatched multiple times ha
JEDI MORMON is a troll. He is trying to copy an LDS dude who goes by JediMormon. I'm surprised he was so clean in his post.
I'm glad y'all are doing more Q&A! I have a whole hodgepodge of questions if you (or anyone else out there with a Mormon background) want to indulge my curiosity on one or two of them.
1) What's the difference between the President and the Prophet of the church?
2) Are Mormons allowed to use playing cards?
3) Do Mormons pray to Jesus or no?
4) Who are considered some of the top historical female Mormon role models?
5) Between the temple stuff and the not-complete-aversion to polygamy (at least in the hereafter and perhaps some rare divorce cases), Mormons seem very Old Testament to me; why do you not adhere to the Jewish rules surrounding food?
6) Will a person from another country ever be the prophet? If so, would he have to move to Utah?
7) Do LDS believe the Book of Abraham is metaphorical or literal?
8) Is it true the church picks which congregation you will attend and can arbitrarily redistrict?
9) If a woman is sealed to multiple men, with whom does she live in the afterlife?
10) Are married adults allowed to have oral sex or no? (sorry if that one offends)
11) What's this about 3 Nephites roaming the earth? I have no context; jus something I heard once.
J F 1) No difference: the prophet of the church is the president of the church as well.
2) Yes, but we don't gamble (can play games like Go Fish or Slapjacks, etc)
3) We pray to our Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.
J F I am not fully knowledgeable about most of the rest of your questions so I don't feel qualified to answer them for you, but if you still want to know, lds.org as well as Mormon.org are great resources you can turn to (as opposed to just typing things into a google search).
Thanks! That was very helpful!!!
Thanks! That was very helpful!!!
J F hey so about the question about the three Nephites, if you read 3rd nephi chapter 28 it tells the story there. Also on lds.org and Mormon.org you can find the story😊 since this was forever ago I don't know if you already found it, but just in case you're still wondering
GOD IS LOVE AND UNDERSTANING
Uchtdorf said doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith.
So, question your doubts first. Then question your faith.
An honest inquiry into one's faith requires gathering ALL sources on the subject(s), considering them ALL and then drawing a conclusion. If any person or org prevents you, or strongly requires you to NOT READ certain literature from CERTAIN sources on that topic, just explain that you are only doing what a REAL investigator would do---looking at *ALL* the evidence, pro and con. Why? Because the truth shall set you free....but first it may piss you off!!
Jrayrilles77 yes doubt your doubts that's definitely not what brainwashed people would do. Cough cough.
@@42apostate God is the source of all truth and knowledge... study it out, ask your questions, then take it to the Lord for confirmation.
I would not go to ALL sources... just legitimate ones :)
I go to Brazil on my mission in April! Any tips?
Caden Cannon I am not old enough to go on a mission yet, but I wanted to say good luck!
Caden Cannon I live in Brazil. You will need much sunblock
RamDaRealist The purpose of the endowment isn't to just find out what it looks like. Looking at anything without a greater context will never give you an objective perspective or a successful idea of what it truly means. In the endownment, the Savior's role in the redemption of mankind is central. In order for it to truly serve it's purpose, those in the session have to be worthy and spiritually clean. Criticizing what is sacred of other religions shows more about who you are as a person rather than those practicing the sacred ordinances in the edownment. I'm sure you'd not be too fond of me if I posted extremely intimate things about your life online and criticized or made fun of them.
Eat as many Brazilian hot dogs as possible because they are way better there. But in seriousness, start reading the Book of Mormon in Portuguese before you enter the MTC. Learn the doctrine and teach people.
Elder Broomhead, this is not not true.
with church on Sunday I believe that it was chosen that day for when God was creating the earth it took 7 days and he chose his last day to take a break.
I loved what kwaku (I think that's how it's spelled) said cause doubt lead me to grow my faith
Yayyyyy BRASIIIL! I didn’t you served here! That’s soo cool!
Alsooo, the sabbath day is at sundays ‘cause Jesus resurrected on a sunday, so after Him it was stablish on a sunday
Are 3 Mormons sponsored by the LDS Corp.?
Sponsored?
Hell no!
They have to PAY the LDS Corp. 10%+ of their gross for the privilege of doing this.
detril33 y'all are disgusting.
Disgusting?
detril33 you heard me. This comment is spreading lies around and that in itself is disgusting
Adam, we pay 10%, which is not that much, and that is used by the church to help others after disasters and to feed people with no food (i know helping others is "evil" and can you please not talk about certain subjects like this if you clearly don't know what you are talking about
But even so if you hate Mormons, then you can keep those opinions to yourself and why are you on this channel if you hate Mormons?
You guys are awesome! 😂😂😂
The son of God still attended, the synagogue. So shouldn't we go to church?
The gold fish really went crazy in this video
Thank you for this video, can you talk about general conference and what we learn there?
3 Mormons Listen, you gotta look more into your doctrine and history, Joseph Smith was a polygamous, a convicted criminal, practiced divination, made false prophecies, had a vision from angel Moroni who is not mentioned in the bible, plagerized the bible, changed it over 5,000 times, has no historical evidence, you teach a different God and different Jesus that is described not in what the bible says, he made fraudulent translations with Egyptian papyry scrolls, and he got caught in a hoax
@@michaelscott916 Convicted criminal only of a state that misunderstood him and tried to kill the mormons. And you are right, they did practice polygamy, because God commanded it... just like Abraham and other prophets of the old testament.
Besides, if you look at how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is set up, there isn't a church in this world that is exactly how Christ Himself set it up when He was on the earth except for this one. There isn't a single church that you can find that is even close.
Nobody else has 15 apostles like the Bible teaches (12 initially and 3 more were called after Christ's ascension). Quorums of the 70, teachers priests and bishops. Nobody else builds temples and is active in the gathering of Israel or bringing the blessings of Abraham to his seed as God promised. No other church fulfills all of the prophecies which have been declared by all the prophets as well as Christ, or hold the authority after the order of Melchisedec just as Christ did(Hebrews 5: 1-10).
There are just too many things that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has right.
Michael Scott
um smith has one wife that was emma smith ( i’m named after her!). what was he convicted for? moroni is in the book of mormon (they are different) he never messed with the bible. if we have no evidence then how did you get yours? huh smarty? we teach of heavenly father and of jesus christ and to be more christ like. heavenly father gives us talents and gifts for example the gift of youngest or if knowing and being fluent in that language, smith needed that gift then so god gave it to him. and it was written on paper the same as the bible? and that was because god wanted others to get it and read his teachings and before it was gold! yea he did because everyone hated mormons and him mostly so there was no way out.
OMG I LOVE THAT AFTER WATCHING LITERALLY ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS IN LIKE 2 WEEKS AND READING A WHOLE BUNCH OF COMMENTS I LIKE K N O W THE DUDE WHO COMMENTED AT 1:50 ahaha
Thanks for the videos. Keep it up.
Do you guys like Arcade Fire, Imagine Dragons, or The Killers? (bands with Mormon singers)
The Killers are the best band of all time, Imagine Dragons is great and Arcade Fire is fun, but I only listen to their song "Wake Up"
Kwaku El I like you Kwaku.
The lead singer from Imagine Dragons left the church.
Brandon Flowers and Dan Reynolds are Mormon. But Arcade Fire is absolutely NOT Mormon. The Butler brothers were raised Mormon, but have publicly denounced it as their faith, and literally wrote an entire album about organized religion.
Can you please put some background music throughout the video to keep it interesting? Not that it's not interesting but It would feel less awkward when there's silence.
I can answer why it's on Sunday a little more clearly. It actually was on Saturday, but ever since Christ was resurrected on a Sunday it is now Sunday. That's when it changed. If you see Acts 20 : 7 it explains how they broke bread on the first day of the week. And we know on the calendar that is Sunday.
Nicole Taylor that makes sense I knew about Saturday didn't know the second part. I do like how he talked about the military. I've got friends that are in the military and wondered how they did the sacrament and now I wanna ask lol
Doubting. anything is a sign of maturity. Maybe I should say questioning doctrine is a sign of maturity.
This should be done every month with all the comments 😆
We could not agree more 😅
Thanks
Let's address the elephant in the room. The Book of Mormon says there were elephants in ancient America. This is certainty not true.
Many artifacts have been unearthed showing drawings/etchings of elephants. Certainly mammoths and mastodon bones have been found in America.
Have you ever actually seen an ancient American drawing of an elephant? No, neither have I. Someone told you that it existed and you just assumed it was true. As for etchings, that is a printmaking technique invented in Medieval Europe for making drawings and decorations. There are no ancient etchings ever dug up in North America. If you think there were then let me ask you again, have you ever seen one? No, no one has. Stop persisting in this insanity.
The bones of mammoths have been found in North America, but analysis of these remains shows that mammoths went extinct in North America by 10,000 BC, well before any Jaredites, Nephites, or Lamanites were supposed to have arrived.
1. We have so few drawings from ancient Native cultures dating back to the BOM time period. We don't have enough to make an honest conclusion from that alone.
2. FairMormon states: "Mammoths could have easily been present in North America at the time of the Jaredites (the only time that elephants are mentioned in the Book of Mormon). The Wikipedia article "Mammoth" notes:
'A mammoth is any species of the extinct genus Mammuthus, proboscideans commonly equipped with long, curved tusks and, in northern species, a covering of long hair. They lived from the Pliocene epoch (from around 5 million years ago) into the Holocene at about 4,500 years ago[1][2] in Africa, Europe, Asia, and North America. They were members of the family Elephantidae which contains, along with mammoths, the two genera of modern elephants and their ancestors. [1]'"
Also:
"The Elephant is only mentioned in the Book of Ether. If the elephants had died off at least 3000 years ago, they would still have been well within range of the Jaredite era. Ludwell Johnson wrote in 1952:
Discoveries of associations of human and proboscidean remains [Elephantine mammals, including, elephants, mammoths, and mastodons] are by no means uncommon. As of 1950, MacCowan listed no less than twenty-seven” including, as noted by Hugo Gross, a “partly burned mastodon skeleton and numerous potsherds at Alangasi, Ecuador...There can no longer be any doubt that man and elephant coexisted in America.... Probably it is safe to say that American Proboscidea have been extinct for a minimum of 3000 years. [2]"
No matter how many times experts make absolute statements and are proven wrong by later discoveries, they seem to never get the message. Elephants, barley, wheels and chariots have all been label anachronisms in America only to be supported by later findings. Stop saying something can't exist. The experts just can't know that.
Jesus is not my brother, he is my Savior, there is a difference.
He is my Savior, and elder brother. Him being another child of God does not mean he isn't our Savior.
Ray Edwards It's always strange how individuals assume I haven't researched this subject. For some reason they just assume they know more about being black than I do. Weird.
Ray Edwards Again, its remarkable how people assume that I'm not smart enough to know the history of the church and leaders in regards to blacks. It's insulting for you to think that a black Mormon who hosts a Mormon talkshow, wouldn't know. Its insulting you think you're enlightening me about my own race. That's not love pal.
Ray Edwards So I need a seed planted? I wouldn't know these things before you? The underlying issue is that you assume you know more than a black Mormon, about black people in the religion. Given all the things brown people have been through in America, it's so ridiculous you assume we aren't educated on this topic. As if I'm not smart enough to read, or figure it out myself. Yikes, it may be time to listen, instead of pretending to be the savior of information to those who look like me.
The saints march on, while the critics clamor for attention, pulling, pleading, often demanding that we reject the Holy Spirit of God. They shout, "But, look here! Look there! What about this?!" No matter. The elect hear his voice and follow, and never look back.
I'm a volunteer with FairMormon.org and I can help answer questions regarding church history, doctrine, contemporary issues, etc. Please email me any time: leowinegar@gmail.com
Every. Single. Known. Issue. Has. Been. Addressed. Period.
God bless.
I grew up in an extremely religious Assemblies of God (Pentecostal, speaking in tongues) home. I have always been interested in other religious traditions, and asked my parents about Mormonism. I was told that while most Mormons follow the same morality as our faith; that they are not Christians because they (1) believe that Jesus is a created being, and (2) believe that faithful mormons will be gods themselves when they die. I guess that in their minds, this violates the image of Jesus as eternal, and the idea of monotheism. Are these statements accurate about your faith? Do you think that this argument holds theological merit? I'm interested to hear your response, I've never talked to a Mormon before.
We believe that Jesus is a created being, like all people are created beings. However we believe he is the firstborn of all God's children, and that he existed pre-mortally. Our take on Jesus Christ is incredibly divine.
We do believe we can become like Heavenly Father one day, we believe that we are his children and he wants us to be like him.
There is a debate here, however we are Christians. Often times, Christians like to believe their sect is the only sect or denomination that can truly be called Christian, but by definition a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. So yes, Mormons are Christians. We just have doctrine that often differs from mainstream Christianity, but thats okay. Sometimes what is mainstream, isn't always whats true ;)
Joseph Turn
we are Christians and Kwaku is right
Kwaku, are you planning to serve a mission or are you over the age? :) Love from Portugal
I don't think there is exactly an age limit. A few years ago my grandparents went on a mission.
The answer to the arranged marriage question is: you can have an arranged marriage. Arrange it yourself. Date for marriage. That’s what I did. Statistically arranged marriages (healthy ones where the husband and wife are in control) last longer than un arranged marriages. 😉
As to Revelation 22:18, I largely agree with Kwaku. However, Joseph Smith, in his Inspired Version (the JST), even altered that particular book, Revelation. too.
So does every translation of the Bible.
I love your videos so much
i was around in the 1970s.
Does your religion focus more on the Book of Mormon than the bible which is God’s word?
place your pride aside and read
Numbers 23:19
I pray for you I pray you see the truth in the end we are all hypocrites and misguided in some way, However your believing that someday you will also be a God and this is blasphemy
God will lead us as long as we submit to him and give up our pride. I would love to share a few things with you that might open up a new world to you. Guaranteed to be nothing you've ever heard before.
Pride is to not hear all of the lords words and yes the Bible is god command
when you were on your mission in Brazil, did you ever hear about an elder who had to have his appendix removed IN Brazil instead of coming back to the US
God help us in our unbelief.
The question about having an open temple day would be like asking Catholics to have an open Vatican day. XD
Guys let me know if I can come on your show and maybe be a officially on the show!!! I would love to do this😊
your fish are having a little...something about 2 mins in
Just curious, What is your thoughts on mormons having relationships with non-mormons?
Like friendships or dating?
Kwaku El Both for curiosity's sake
Well I think having friendships with non-Mormons is normal and good! I live in the U.S., a multicultural and diverse country, so a great deal of my friends are of other faiths or none! Religion should never be a deciding factor on whether or not you should be someone's friend.
As for dating, I believe it's probably wisest and healthiest to date someone who is LDS, if you're LDS. However, love is powerful and it often triumphs over religious differences. Not to mention, many have been converted to the church when dating a member, so at the end of the day, you do you! Date someone who makes you happy and treats you well
Kwaku El I agree with you. Like even if you aren't LDS, trying to date someone outside of your beliefs will make for a very difficult relationship. They've done studies on it.
Where is Shelley????
Maggie Stanfield she misses you all very much, but she is no longer on the show due to scheduling. we miss her too, don't worry.
Ian Forsyth have the two of you gentlemen considered getting a temporary female replacement? That way we have a female perspective/addition until Shelley comes back?
Ian, you stated: "That's literally a folklore myth. No where in the scriptures does it say that."
I refer you to the following verses in The Book of Abraham, chapter 1:
21.Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth.
22.From this descent sprang all the Egyptians, and thus the blood of the Canaanites was preserved in the land.
23.The land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden;
24.When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.
27.Now, Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood, notwithstanding the Pharaohs would fain claim it from Noah, through Ham, therefore my father was led away by their idolatry;
Taken in the context of historical quotes by many latter-day prophets and apostles prior to Kimball, I would say that the (former) position of the LDS church did change regarding this matter and I would call it more than just "folklore myth" or, as it states in the LDS.org essay on Race and the Priesthood, "theories to explain the priesthood and temple restrictions." (See: www.lds.org/topics/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng&old=true)
These quotes are well documented in former church publications. Just because the LDS church stopped printing those books and magazines because of their embarrassing quotes, doesn't mean they didn't happen.: www.mormonthink.com/blackweb.htm#racistcomments
I've read these verses. Let me refer you to a quote by Armand L. Mauss (Sociologist) - "[W]e see that the Book of Abraham says nothing about lineages set aside in the pre-existence, but only about distinguished individuals. The Book of Abraham is the only place, furthermore, that any scriptures speak of the priesthood being withheld from any lineage, but even then it is only the specific lineage of the pharaohs of Egypt, and there is no explanation as to why that lineage could not have the priesthood, or whether the proscription was temporary or permanent, or which other lineages, if any, especially in the modern world, would be covered by that proscription. At the same time, the passages in Genesis and Moses, for their part, do not refer to any priesthood proscription, and no color change occurs in either Cain or Ham, or even in Ham's son Canaan, who, for some unexplained reason, was the one actually cursed! There is no description of the mark on Cain, except that the mark was supposed to protect him from vengeance. It's true that in the seventh chapter of Moses, we learn that descendants of Cain became black, but not until the time of Enoch, six generations after Cain, and even then only in a vision of Enoch about an unspecified future time. There is no explanation for this blackness; it is not even clear that we are to take it literally."
If someone were to use those scriptures as a theory to the priesthood ban, it is only theory and not Church Doctrine. The priesthood ban was a policy enacted by Brigham Young. Never was it considered a core doctrine that certain children of God would be denied exaltation by their skin tone. 2 Nephi 26:33.
Daniel, as someone who served in Ghana, I've always found this issue to be close to my heart. I think the Church has done well to clarify and correct things that have been spoken in err in the past, as you have rightly cited in the Essay that Church wrote on the subject. Whenever God has had Human messengers, there have been mistakes. That being said, most of the New Testament is letters by other Apostles, trying to clarify the mistakes of their Brethren. If your argument is that the need for clarification and correction is grounds to disregard authorized messengers of God, even the words of the original 12 Apostles are in question.
Now, as to your referencing this particular scripture, it strikes me as a false parallel.
"We know for a fact that this Pharaoh and his followers were restricted from the Priesthood, and that the reason given is because they were descendants of Cain. We also know the scripture referred to those descendants as a Race. We also know for a fact that the Lord chose to restrict certain Blacks from the Priesthood, and Black is a Race, so the same reasoning must apply."
Whenever I find myself guessing at the motivations of the Lord, I just have to recognize that, most of the time, I'm probably wrong. For example, the Old and New Testaments are littered with examples of the Lord restricting His priesthood, for many reasons. Simon was restricted because of personal unrighteousness. All of Israel, with the exception of the Levites, were restricted from it in the time of Moses. We've no reason to believe that it's because the Levites were particularly righteous (Levi's own father referred to him as an instrument of cruelty. He also murdered the Schechemites). Women have, as of yet, never held the Priesthood. We do not know why Heavenly Father made these decisions, and until He specifies, all attempts at understanding are just guesses.
I respect your sincerity, but I find your answer unsatisfactory. The fact is that the "negro" race was barred from the temple and the priesthood for over a century by men who were supposedly called by God and guided by revelation. Furthermore, those same men did give explanations on numerous occasions for the reasons that they were barred. The church lectures its members on all kinds of matters which are much more trivial, like how many earrings or which Sunday clothes to wear under the guise that they are inspired teachings. Yet the church has no explanation as to why the priesthood ban happened except that those men were a product of their time and essentially racists. The church puts a high value on integrity, yet the very same church obfuscates and whitewashes its history.
Not to mention the FACT that the very word Pharaoh, in the Book of Abraham, is an anachronism, since the word or title was not used in Abraham's time. So there's that, and about a thousand other evidences that it is all a fraud.
When you consider that maybe the church leaders are not inspired at all, it all makes much more sense.
"The fact is that the "negro" race was barred from the temple and the priesthood for over a century by men who were supposedly called by God and guided by revelation." - That is true. I'm not sure anyone is denying that.
"Yet the church has no explanation as to why the priesthood ban happened except that those men were a product of their time and essentially racists" - It sounds like your concerns are twofold.
First, it sounds like you are saying that because Blacks (and mind you, not all blacks) were barred from holding the Priesthood, the Church is not true. To that, I can only say, it is the Lord's Priesthood, and He can do what He likes with it. Who "deserves" the Priesthood of God? Previously He barred a lot of people from it. Some, it appears, because they did something to disqualify themselves. Others, because He simply did not need them to have it. Currently, He bars women from it. None of that is mark of the character of those who have it, or those who do not have it.
Second, if we accept that God has the right to limit His Priesthood, the concern remains that the Church does not have any explanation as to why that happened. That is also true. The same holds true for a large variety of commandments, however. If that's your logic, there are a lot of practices and commandments that are off the table within all of Christianity.
"The church puts a high value on integrity, yet the very same church obfuscates and whitewashes its history." - I think the Church has been guilty of that in the past, but then again, the Church has been publishing primary documents for mass consumption (the Joseph Smith papers, for example), and addressing these concerns with a series of essays, covering topics like Polygamy, Blacks and Priesthood. The fact that the average person is not an expert in the subject is not the same thing as actively trying to hide it.
"Not to mention the FACT that the very word Pharaoh, in the Book of Abraham, is an anachronism, since the word or title was not used in Abraham's time." No English word in the Book of Abraham was used at that time. The same holds true for the entire Bible, though, right? But the idea those words intended are most accurately conveyed to modern readers using the language those readers are most familiar with.
Frankly, I am not sure we need to have a perfect understanding of something to begin to exercise faith in it. I can't understand every principle by which smartphones work, and I use them all the time. I began driving long before I was an expert at the practice. I began doing addition before I bothered learning the origin of numbers. It sounds like you hold the Mormon religion to a different standard. In my experience, being LDS has helped me feel closer to my Heavenly Father, taught me more about the Savior, and done more to improve my character than any other organization, philosophy, or practice I have participated in.
"It sounds like you hold the Mormon religion to a different standard."
It should be held to a different standard. As soon as you say that it is the one true church who is led by a prophet and apostles called of God and led by God, you have set a different standard.
It sounds to me like there is no standard low enough to cause you any concern.
"In my experience, being LDS has helped me feel closer to my Heavenly Father, taught me more about the Savior, and done more to improve my character than any other organization, philosophy, or practice I have participated in."
Good. But that answers a different question as to whether it holds the truth. An organization can do good things but still not have valid truth claims.
Dude, you can't keep a fish in a bowl like that! Way too small- you need a proper tank with filtration!
Sure doubt your doubts, but keep your faith in (fill in the blank) _________. I hope you are stating to keep your faith in CHRIST, not in following men-prophets. (wink). I "doubt" you two have studied much outside the manuals of the church? NOw I will doubt that doubt and pretend you have. (wink)
There was no apostasy. The first heresy was the gnostic movement, and heretical movement after heretical movement does not mean an apostasy happened. Apostasy assumes the original church of Christ does not exist or have priesthood authority. Sorry to break it to you guys, but the Roman Catholic Church still has priesthood, and is the original church of Christ Jesus. It is traceable all the way back to Saint Peter. Every Father can be traced back to Saint Peter with the laying on of hands. This is just another flavor of heresy.
Just a correction. You are correct, in that the scriptures do not state anything about blacks and priesthood, however... (breath)... it was a prophet, namely Brigham Young that stated Blacks are Cain's posterity that cannot have the priesthood, amongst other "Brigham-esc" statements (like the blood atonement and the sun people to boot (wink) ).
We are told by the church today, that Brigham was just being Brigham, not a prophet at the time he stated these things, just his opinion. Fair enough, people are not perfect, and I'd be half crazy to have as many wives as he did - the logistics alone (yikes).
Source:
www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/brigham1852feb5_priesthoodandblacks.htm
We as practicing (the restored gospel as Joseph taught it) believe that prophets speak for the Lord, however, we have come to understand that modern day claimed LDS prophets, seers, and revelators, receive no more revelation or inspiration than any lay member or C.S. Lewis at that, as they have yet to prophesy, see as a seer, or come close to scriptural prophetic patterns. Great men, often inspired as much as any of us, but as far as fruits of prophets, seers, and revelators - they just ain't there - and ain't ain't a word, so don't use it!
Yes, it does, good point. Amen to Jesus Christ being King, Priest, and Prophet.
The saints march on, while the critics clamor for attention, pulling, pleading, often demanding that we reject the Holy Spirit of God. They shout, "But, look here! Look there! What about this?!" No matter. The elect hear his voice and follow, and never look back.
I'm a volunteer with FairMormon.org and I can help answer questions regarding church history, doctrine, contemporary issues, etc. Please email me any time: leowinegar@gmail.com
Every. Single. Known. Issue. Has. Been. Addressed. Period.
God bless.
"sun people"
This is an antiMormon myth. BY never said there were people living on the sun..
I have found when antiMormons speak, always give you the source and look it up for yourself to see what he actually said.
Not sure if you're being very anti-Mormon or if you're Mormon and just mentioning things?? Can you elaborate? (I'm autistic and LDS and I can't really read what you're saying as in the definition) 🤔
Explain why names in the Book of Mormon are based off of different places Joseph smith lived near.
They aren't, that's a misconception.
My father said that when he was teaching institute or whatever it's called they made him teach that black people are indeed descendants from Cain and were "cursed" with dark skin. He said that he had to teach that for a while when he was an institute teacher in Nigeria. Now, I'm a member; and I do have a testimony, it's just when people like you guys leave out stuff like this it gets me frustrated. Why can't we be more open about the past instead of acting like it never happened. You guys didn't even mention the 100 years when blacks couldn't even have the priesthood. If you have a video that talks about the church's history please refer me to it, or MAKE those kind of videos, it would be deeply appreciated to more people than you may realize.
Kwaku did a video about hit here is a link: m.ruclips.net/video/NEnPSDTYJ_s/видео.html .Also this other video talks about it too: m.ruclips.net/video/HqjluxtvRjw/видео.html
Jedi Mormon has to be Yoda.
I think the verse from the bible was talking about the churches that made there own rules in stuff. Not to be rude, i love other churches, im just saying thats what i think
When King James translators were translating the KJV Bible between 1604 and 1611, they would occasionally put in their own words into the text to make the English more readable. We know exactly what these words are because they're italicized in the KJV Bible. What are these 17th century italicized words doing in the Book of Mormon? Word for word? What does this say about the Book of Mormon being an ancient record?
ISAIAH 9:1 (KJV)
Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
2 NEPHI 19:1
Nevertheless, the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun, and the land of Naphtali, and afterwards did more grievously afflict by the way of the Red Sea beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations.
Read both passages side by side if you don't believe me.
i see A lot of good similarities of mormonism and muslim. why do i see similarities ? Because i believe in looking at the good in all things and giving. a good report praiseworthy of all things
12345soccerguy. i am not a typical illiterate liberal. i am a eccentric electic free thinker liberal who holds the basic essentials of the orthodox historic christian faith evangelically while holding liberal views on other topics .
12345soccerguy. Of course i know that . when i said orthodox i did not mean the same thing as you did in the ritualistic meaning of orthodoxy.
12345soccerguy. i am not ignorant of the evils of religion nor am i ignorant of the false doctrines. and skeltons of religouis history. i am well read on these things more then you can imagine. i would agree to disagree with you regarding that just looking at the good things is being ignorant . i would say for some it would be ignorant but not all are ignorant either. nobody has to tell me about the evils of religion not to mention just a few such as the mormon mountain meadows masscre. joseph smith in paulaundry and plural marriage. joseph smith in glass looking and also involved in peepstoning and being a mason. the corruption and abuse of power of popes of the roman catholic popes. the priests who had sex with minors. the paying of indulegences. jones town cult and all the ones that died. the murdering of matthew shepherd. the insane wacco davidians cult. The rip off of money from tv ministries. the scam of tammy and jimmy baker. witness lee in its affairs that he had with another women. the mormon church telling its members to go against gay marriage and support prop 8 which backfired... utahs teenage suicide rate very high. the mormon temple ceremonies changed after 1990. john d lee confessions. the mormon fake documents. the cult kidnnapping cult members. extreme fundamentalism controling its members...etc etc i could go on and on and on....my whole point is i know and have seen the evils of religion . also there are the evils of religion of judgmentalism and intolerance of others beliefs by condemning and demonizing and name calling and stereotyping individuals....i will not stereotype individuals and judge them personally....people are individuals. there is the other extreme of people geting caught up in just the negative side of things in religion. i. think there should be a balance. one can look at the good and evil in all religion
12345soccerguy. i am not ignorant of the evils of religion nor am i ignorant of the false doctrines. and skeltons of religouis history. i am well read on these things more then you can imagine. i would agree to disagree with you regarding that just looking at the good things is being ignorant . i would say for some it would be ignorant but not all are ignorant either. nobody has to tell me about the evils of religion not to mention just a few such as the mormon mountain meadows masscre. joseph smith in paulaundry and plural marriage. joseph smith in glass looking and also involved in peepstoning and being a mason. the corruption and abuse of power of popes of the roman catholic popes. the priests who had sex with minors. the paying of indulegences. jones town cult and all the ones that died. the murdering of matthew shepherd. the insane wacco davidians cult. The rip off of money from tv ministries. the scam of tammy and jimmy baker. witness lee in its affairs that he had with another women. the mormon church telling its members to go against gay marriage and support prop 8 which backfired... utahs teenage suicide rate very high. the mormon temple ceremonies changed after 1990. john d lee confessions. the mormon fake documents. the cult kidnnapping cult members. extreme fundamentalism controling its members...etc etc i could go on and on and on....my whole point is i know and have seen the evils of religion . also there are the evils of religion of judgmentalism and intolerance of others beliefs by condemning and demonizing and name calling and stereotyping individuals....i will not stereotype individuals and judge them personally....people are individuals. there is the other extreme of people geting caught up in just the negative side of things in religion. i. think there should be a balance. one can look at the good and evil in all religion
Looking at just the good in religion and ignoring the bad, IS being willfully ignorant. Not many things are worse than willfull ignorance.
Nothing wrong with ignorance. Most of us are ignorant about many things. Few are willfully ignorant. The place I see willfull ignorance *practiced as a sacrament*, is within Mormonism.
Where has Shelley been lately?
No debate, the Sabbath is the Seventh day. God set it aside.
I didnt think you would be as condescending, but you probably feel ok about it.
I think the Sabbeth is like a weakly holiday
Do you have any siblings?
it bothers me that the details of the temple ceremonies arent discussed in detail . what really bothers me is joseph smith was a mason...mason is not a christian
J. pink actually Masons are very much Christian, in fact they were founded by the rosecrution (sp?) monks and are basically the last remnants of those monks. Please do some research before throwing out lies, just because the masons are secret doesn't mean they're evil- if they were, why would they own hospitals where children who are sick get free care??? THE SHRINERS HOSPITALS. Hmm??? Also, our temples are SACRED not SECRET. We do not share something that is sacred because we don't need it being misused by man for his own amusement.
Those monks were CATHOLIC.
epotterable 🤔
@@Ari-vr4kp no Masons are not Christians like mormons are not Christians. According to Isaiah 43:10 ,Isaiah 44:6 there is no God besides the true God .no one can god .that's a false teaching from satan the devil.
Does everybody know that the Mormon church pays for this channel and these guys are given a script of what to say?
I often wondered what a troll is ? I guess a troll is simply a person who disagrees with you! I guess someone who agrees with you is a…….? I wouldn’t say I don’t want to be a troll
Lol
Please make a video on the Temple Endowment pre-1990 and why it was changed. Also the temple endowment vs masonry and JS's history with the Masons. What about JS's death and the issues that led it it. Thanks guys.
Where did Shelley go?
Joseph Saltal On a mission to Burundi
Cool
Regarding the Sabbath. God rested on the 7th day, so in Old Testament times the law was to keep the sabbath day holy on the 7th day... which is Saturday. That was under the Mosaic law, before Christ came down and with His death and resurrection fulfilled the law and instituted the new and greater law (this is also why we don't need to sacrifice animals anymore as well). Christ was resurrected on the first day of the week which is Sunday. After His resurrection we read in The Acts "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them..." meaning the Apostles now partook of the sacrament on Sunday.
I think of it like this, and I may be wrong... God created the world and on the 7th day He rested, so we as well rest from our labors as a sign of respect for His creation and obedience to His law. However when Christ raised from the dead, and accomplished the Atonement, we now have something better to be thankful for and so, Sunday is now a time to remember our Savior and His accomplishment, the Atonement. This is also why we participate in the sacrament on Sunday, because that is the day he was resurrected.
I love the symbolism behind the sabbath.
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Huh, interesting.
can you do a video that talks about evolution and what the church says about it
Noname 😂 evolution! Mormons! 😂 They say it's bull sh$t! Not true, huge lies! They believe the whole bible/god created the earth in a few days. However, I'm sure Joseph smith corrected that part of the Bible. His corrections to the Bible are in the doctrine and covenants, barf. BTW, Joseph Smith was a pedophile, he married his 13 year old niece and proceeded to rape the sh&it out of her and his other 50 plus wives. Seriously Mormonism is horrific. They try to destroy children's minds. I think the broadway show says it best "turn it off"!
Wow, I'm sorry that Laura is so vehemently aggressive.
Lds.org says "The Church has no official position on the theory of evolution. Organic evolution, or changes to species’ inherited traits over time, is a matter for scientific study."
Here is the Church's last official publication regarding evolution, reposted from it's original publication in 1909:
www.lds.org/ensign/2002/02/the-origin-of-man?lang=eng
Sean Worsley this.
It's also taught at BYU, so there obviously isn't some sort of allergy to it.
Except for this quotation from Joseph Fielding Smith that's a little troubling. "If evolution is true, the church is false. If life began on earth as advocated by Darwin, Huxley, Haeckel, and others of this school, whether by chance or by some designing hand, then the doctrines of the Church are false." That comes from the Doctrines of Salvation if you are interested.
Practicing Mormon apologetics at such a tender age! Nice! You guys are young and my bet is that some day you will recognize that the truth is not found in the LDS church. When that happens, you may find yourself doing some major self imposed face palms. Hopefully, because of deeply ingrained sacrifice bias, it won't be too late for you to change. Anyway, best of luck on your own journey. I just think it's sad that you are already inadvertently muddying the issues in people's minds by defending the Mormon dogma.
You are free to keep believing that, but it has no basis in reality. Mormonism has to deal with several egregious and definitive evidences against it, but, even if you were able to, somehow, come to terms with those, belief in Mormonisms still should die a death of a thousand cuts.
harsh.
Ian, minha esposa é de brasil. Ela também serviu uma missão em Curitiba. Mais, ela serviu muito antes que você.
Once again total idiocy!! Seems as though they chose comments that are dumb to make Mormonism look good!! Nice move!! Now let's talk reality, ever hear of DNA!?!, ever hear of scholarly Egyptology?? Come on
We have several videos discussing the topics you mentioned, including DNA evidence, Egyptology, etc... Be sure to check out our Faith and Beliefs series for more 'scripted' and researched responses to these questions.
I have a brain, I don’t need a sabbath.
Then why are here? If you have a 🧠?
Douglas Karlinsey , I here guess smart.🥳
Somebody can' count.
Bless Buddha
Silly.
well if u'd read the statement and slow down on the pranks u might be able to see what others r trying 2 communicate
So, I was thinking. Theoretically speaking, could you be a Straight Man with a wife and children, and a Word of Wisdom abiding, member of the church and following all the doctrine, and be a Drag Queen? I do know there's a verse Along the lines of a woman shall not wear a men's clothing or they be an abomination Yada Yada, but historically men wore high heels, kilts and dressed of sorts, make up, and wigs. Women only caught on many years later and claimed it as their own. So would that be against some form of doctrine if one is soundly secure in themselves and uses it as a Expressive Artistic Outlet?
How did you find out what I do on the weekends?
I doubt you can have doubts, It's all true or it's a fraud, or maybe I'm wrong ,I'm not sure...
Everyone has doubts and there is nothing wrong with that. Not doing anything about the doubts is wrong on the other hand. One reason the Lord asks us to study and pray.