You left out the best burn from Hank in this episode! When John Redcorn says "I can't believe she left me for that!" Hank replies back "She didn't LEAVE you for THAT, she MARRIED that 2 years before she met you"
@@Lucrativecris Nah, It was Hank explaining to John that Despite how long their affair was it was nothing more than an affair she made a vow with Dale. Sure Nancy is a horrible person for breaking that vow Several times, But she's made it clear that she wouldn't leave Dale for him.
Eh I'd say Dale is more compassionate than trustworthy. Remember he's flanked on his friends when they needed him numerous times out of fear or to avoid trouble entirely.
Thank you! I don't get how he's a huge King of the Hill fan, yet misses the point when it's right in front of him. On top of John Redcorn serving as an ironic foil for Dale, the media has historically portrayed Native Americans as wise and infallible figures who have been wronged by the white man. While there isn't anything inherently unflattering with that image, it is a tired stereotype that the writers seem to turn on its head by depicting John Redcorn as a morally-compromised character who constantly betrays Dale's trust and engages in other transgressions. The show is full of obvious self-contradictions-such as a substitute Spanish teacher who cannot speak Spanish or a bald, sensitive, overweight man working as a barber in the army-and I am surprised that he made an entire video explaining why he hated John Redcorn, as if the audience was supposed to like him to begin with.
@@waxeightoneeight this video is explaining the aspects of the character that are unlikable. he totally gets the character, he’s just analyzing it. Unlike another video where a clueless millennial woman complaining that Seinfeld hadn't aged well because so much of the humor is "problematic." Not even grasping that's the entire POINT of the show, the characters were "problematic" in the 1990's and that IS the joke.
Despite how Dale acts he and Hank, with maybe Boomhauer, are the ones I would want with me. Hank might flake, Boomhauer is himself and will probably leave, but Dale? Dale will ride or die. Might be a bit off his rocker but he isnt so looney he doesn't know who his friends are. Ironically he is more trustworthy than all his friends, since they all lie to him about Redcorn and Nancy.
The thing you could argue that makes John worse than Nancy is the fact that for 13 years he has remained silent about the paternity of his son. If John had revealed the truth about Joseph and fought for custody when he was a baby, John would probably be raising Joseph with 50/50 custody. Instead, John chose to remain silent in order to continue his affair with Nancy. Essentially, John Redcorn chose his mistress over his son.
10/10 some of these comments sound like they would hypocritically come from people saying "oh women get custody all of the time, its not fair!" How does John wanting to be with Nancy (the mother of his child, NOT just a mistress) conflict with wanting to be close to Joseph?
@@neonflights5951 it's because he never came forth and took responsibility when Nancy was pregnant or when Joseph was born, instead he chose to still keep the relationship the way it was and not something serious
little late here but John Redcorn take pleasure in doing the affair thing with Nacy. He has no feeling for Nacy, he only doing it to spite Dale and the white man. He care more about wanting to revenge a bunch of dead white guy from a hundred years ago then raising his own son. John deserves to be alone
@@SWANSWAN-nc7dshe's a flagrant narcissist that's so far up his own rectum it's a wonder he can even see straight. He always goes on about how Dale stole HIS Nancy when she was married to Dale for TWO YEARS before they even met. It's also the reason why he hasn't already gotten Joseph. He doesn't want to deal with the fallout of having to tell the truth, he just wants everything to go the way he wants it, regardless of the consequences or responsibilty
My favorite fan theory is that Dale is fully aware of his wife's affair and his revenge is being a good father to make sure John never gets to bond with the child he and Nancy conceived
I love how John Redcorn comes off as a creepy old man when he tries to bond with Joseph. It's the perfect revenge. Joseph wants nothing to do with him and looks up to Dale
this. actually dale is pretty loyal albit naive, he could've gone away with that sexy bug exterminator lady, which made nancy overly jealous. but he kept being loyal which is why we all love him.
And Dale, with all his craziness and stupidity has one thing spot-on right, and that is being a STELLAR example of what a good father is, despite his flaws.
@@Stanley.77 there’s a theory that Dale knows or knew Nancy Cheated on him but he pretended to ignore it because it made everyone happy. Also he’s a better father to Joseph than RedCorn will ever be.
Objectively any good in Joseph comes from dale. All redcorn would have taught Joseph is bitterness over the past and ignorance and how to be a charlatan. It's funny as hell how he literally uses his culture and victim status to scam white people out of their money, yet hes a loser who has no meaningful accomplishments in his life. Even nancy eventually dumps him after spending 1 meaningful day with dale not judging him. Her life would be in the gutter without dale in it. Joseph would be a bum like his biological father raised by him and nancy would be a trailer park mom with a biracial child. Even better he has the nerve to blame the white man for taking from him when hes literally a protected class. Dude even gets free acres of land for reparations.
In odd way, John Redcorn was a bigger nobody when compared to Dale. Aside from being attractive hunk and ladies man, John lived in a trailer, alone, and his therapeutic massages was more of a front for his main work as a gigolo. Even John realized this, he has nothing, no family, no land, no future....until Dale, of all people, lifts him up. It was through Dale's help that he secured those 12 acres of land. Dale also sparked John's career as a successful children's entertainment performer when his own metal band was a dead end failure.
I think it also redeems John alot because once he sees Dale as a friend, rather than some guy, he stops trying to pursue Nancy and finally accepts that she's with Dale
John Redcorn is worse than Nancy. Throughout the affair, John was just having fun while Nancy romanticized the whole thing. John never made any attempt to make it serious and pretty easily gave Nancy up. Later, John Redcorn has a mid-life crisis upon realizing he's forty and has nothing to show for his life. He decides outta nowhere that he's owed a relationship with the bastard son he barely knows. He tries to rekindle with Nancy, but she chooses Dale once more. Nancy always had the most to lose from their affair while John Redcorn was the third party. That he has the nerve to claim he's somehow been wronged is despicable. Dale Gribble is the only father Joseph has ever known or needed. John Redcorn is just his mother's wierd friend.
Nancy's worse cause she was married and knowingly allowed her husband to raise a child that wasn't his. Her romanticizing it is also worse considering she was married.
@@NukeCaulfield Indeed, though I think they're both awful. John Redcorn LOVED being in relationships with married women. Nancy was not the first, and wasn't the last. He was a womanizer and a hypocrite, and had to reconcile with his actions once his favorite affair partner wizened up. He knew exactly what he was doing, I'd even argue he got his rockers off on the idea of him easily stealing some guy's wife away. Dale Gribble was the most foolish man possible who'd be too trusting to ever actually "catch" them. He's a homewrecker and deservedly got his comeuppance once Nancy left and he started realizing he had very little to show. He does make a solid friendship with Dale who helped him get some much needed government documents through the Freedom of Information Act, and he begins to feel guilty for his actions. Properly.. and indirectly breaking the affair with Nancy proper and lets them go. Nancy was a dissatisfied wife married to a very paranoid, very quirky Exterminator. She didn't get what she wanted out of her marriage and then met John Redcorn. She romanticized this affair and even got knocked up. Dale, being the fool that he is didn't even register the possibility of his wife cheating on him, nor would ever believe anyone saying otherwise. Nancy spent so much time blatantly cheating on him, but one day after a fine couple's date and a night of passion, Nancy realized what she loved about Dale, why she married him and starts to see the sincere devotion and fire she thought was lost. Dale realized how much he ignored Nancy and promised to give her the time she desired, which rekindled their marriage. Nancy is a cheater, there's no denying that. She doesn't get her proper punishment but she does redeem herself through returning to her marriage, and making an active effort to be involved in Dale and Joseph's lives. Though there is something of a redeeming story in this. That a 14 year long affair is broken mutually and a new future is paved for all of them. Most people desire justice, yet here there's something new each of them.
Keep in mind that because of this, Joseph nearly got with a girl who was hinted to be John Redcorns daughter, aka, Joseph's step sister since they have the same father. Meaning him not owning up to having kids with others would have probably lead to a mid life crisis for Joseph had he discovered this later on in life.
A response to John Redcorn of wanting his son back: "Will is not a coat that you hang in the closet and pick it up when you're ready to wear it. His life goes on! He's not suppose to be here for you, you're suppose to be here for him!" - Uncle Phil
You said it. He didn't even think that doing that would cause unfair emotional damage to Joseph learning about the affair and that he was now expected to forget all those years of Dale caring for him just because one guy said it. If anyone ever told me I shouldn't see my Dad as my Dad because of something that happened over a decade ago, I'd be so furious.
I'm not woke or anti woke. This anti woke movement is just like the other side of the same coin. John Redcorn is awesome. He fuqs and listens to classic rock and drives a jeep.
The thing with red corn is he never even really tried to fight for his son. If he really wanted him why didn’t he fight for custody when he was a baby? It’s because red corn wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
IKR? It baffles me that he apparently never realized that his affair with Nancy could end at absolutely any time, and thus, his excuse for being welcome with Joseph's mother. Do you all think he would have continued the affair into their 70s and 80s if they could?
My favourite moment involving John Redcorn: when Joseph is about to kill a panda at a zoo to prove himself as some initiation and John stops him by catching the arrow that Joseph misfires. But then Dale hands him a gun and says "he won't catch a bullet." Dale is truly a great character
What's even more amazing about that episode is Dale was like THIS CLOSE to figuring out Joesph was John Redcorn's son. You know, the whole vision quest thing. But then came to conclusion that the vision meant HE was an Indian. And that's why we love Dale. But yeah, that was probably the only good thing John Redcorn ever did, stopping the arrow.
@@SuperSwordman1 it takes about 3 arrows to kill a bear, I imagine it would take that many to kill a panda. It may have been good but Joseph likely wouldn't have fired another making the gesture basically meaningless but good.
@@respectfullyrazerian2154 Meh still kept the panda from being injured, and who knows what kind of legal trouble Joseph and Dale would get in for assaulting an endangered animal. So I wouldn't say it was meaningless.
I'm surprised there was no mention of Hank telling John Redcorn "She didn't leave you for (Dale), she married (Dale) two years before she met you". It's a line that best sums up why John Redcorn was in the wrong.
As the famous quote goes "he may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy." John redcorn may have been the biological father but Dale did the rasing and bonding with Joseph.
Reminds me of the episode when Peggy finds out that Nancy and John were having an affair and chooses not to out them after watching Dale be a good dad because it would hurt Dale. Ironically Dale being such a good dad and an accepting person it probably would not have been that big of a deal for him. In the 90's Dale was fine with his dad being gay, thinking John Redcorn was gay, living in a multiracial neighborhood, and a ton of other social non norms for the time.
I actually admire the way they did John and Dale. It's a fairly nuanced look at real parent vs biological parent. Dale's certainly not the best father in the world but it's not for lack of trying and he dearly loves Joseph and Nancy. John meanwhile did a bad thing and he's a whiny, entitled, self-aggrandizing selfish man, but he's not a terrible person either. Actually, this whole show was pretty good at nuance where all the characters felt like real people.
I love Joseph and Dale's relationship especially as a foil to Bobby and Hank. A father and son who have plenty of similarities despite sharing no DNA and then a father and a son who are quite different and yet share DNA. It's actually a reason I don't like theories that Bobby isn't Hank's biological son, it undermines the heart of the show where both of these father/son relationships each have nuanced characters who bond regardless of their differences.
Yeah. I don't like a lot of fan theories for that reason. They tend to undermine themes the story was going for, and the theory itself rarely has any value beyond "wouldn't it be crazy if."
Correct, everyone is a piece of work and seem fairly grounded in reality. Nobody is perfect in this show. Even the most crazy and weird characters were based on the behaviors of real people.
@@hail2jigglypuff168 It's why I think a lot of works that have something to say about society fail. They always portray the side they didn't take as these absolute ridiculous caricatures, and the side they do take as these paragons of virtue. People aren't like that in real life, so you can't relate to any of the characters, so the entire moral falls flat.
@@hyperion3145 dude almost every mexican in america identifies as white, shit, only like 100 years ago irish people weren't even considered white, and now look
@@erikshure360 its not the dna its the categorization, americas categorization for "white" has changed a lot the past 300 years, give it 50 years time and a new generation of immigrants will be "white"
That's exactly how my dad explained the relationship he has with my half-brother (from a rationship before he and my mom met); he may not be his biological father, but he is abbsolutely his dad.
John Redcorn was happy to sleep around because he could justify his reprehensible action with historical treatment. But once he realized that he was only continuing the crime against his own people he tried to step in, but in a selfish way.
There was no "crime" they lost multiple wars over hundreds of years. Your argument that previous borders matter is what putin is using as a reason to invade Ukraine and try to rebuild the russian "empire".
@@Johnlindsey289okay? What's the point of this comment? The pilgrims also cannibalised. And I'm pretty sure they weren't cannibals anyway from what I can look up. I don't understand this, you'll cry that "not all men," and say don't generalise a demographic based on the actions of their past ancestors but it's different rules for others?
@@fawnieee Was saying that John Redcorn has a victimhood mentality to him "White man stole my land and did atrocities" which means he wants his son back when Joseph isn't his son when Dale is the true father of Joseph. When it's hypocritical that once John's tribe committed atrocities. Yes it's true the Ansasazi did practiced cannibalism once 724 years ago as did some of the pilgrims in Jamestown and Aztecs, some prehistoric people in Spain and Cheddar Gorge UK, some parts of Africa and Asia and around the world as everyone of all races, ethnic groups and that did cannibalism. And it's about learning from the ugly mistakes of our pasts.
For me, it's simple. Cotton is intentionally written as a reprehensible person, so you always see him as a caricature, not as a real person. John Redcorn, however, is written as someone who is supposed to engage on a relatable way with the main characters, which make his faults (his lying, his being an absentee father, etc) all the more despicable.
I dunno. Personally even as reprehensible as Cotton is, there's several moments for me that make me feel like he's a real person. The way that he's lying to some extent about what exactly he did in the war(s), for example. He definitely did something big and lost his legs in a traumatic way, but none of his retellings seem quite like they're the real deal and not just a yarn he's spinning. ( Pun intended. ) The inconsistencies portrayed in his memorabilia and people actively calling him out on BS show that whatever it was he is genuinely a real soldier who did something valorous, but we have no solid idea of just what it was. And the way he copes with it after the war and how he has moments of sadness break through his shouty personality make it seem like the caricature is a front he puts on for himself as a way to cope with some degree of dissatisfaction with his life. He has some genuine moments with his sons and the way he decided to die basically out of being dared to by Peggy came across as very real to me. I've met some people who are like that.
@@collinwarren197 Well said. It is somewhat insulting that people see Cotton as 'reprehensible.' Dude is dealing with war trauma. John Redcorn isn't dealing with trauma; he is pure scum and actually reprehensible
@@collinwarren197 when Cotton makes Peggy walk again, and when everyone keeps calling Kahn Chinese and Japanese and he looks him up and down and says “no, he’s Laotian” are my favorite moments with him.
If John Redcorn really wanted Joseph as his son so badly he would of pressed his claim years ago when Joseph was just a baby. But he didn't so nobody at all should feel sorry for him
But how could he really,he tries his best being as close as possible to the family. And Nancy doesn't want it to close so dale doesn't catch on.so John can't do anything more
If Redcorn had things his way, Nancy would've divorced Dale and he probably would've raised Joseph.. As for the affair with other women, he's not in a relationship or was in one with Nancy because of her wants to where he was single. Yes his playboy lifestyle is a fault like Boomhaurer but no one in the show is perfect.. Plus even if he did ignore Joseph at first, a lot of parents abandon their kids and never look back, while it's awful what they did in the past, at least some people try to move forward knowing they can't fix what happened prior.. Nancy is still more vile, granted if ya wanted to bat Redcorn, it'd be for his lack of courage and conviction towards telling the truth. If you're that bothered, you'd disregard others begging you not do it. Yes there'd be conflict and turmoil but when the dust settles, something better and honest could blossom if you put the effort. Dale would forgive Nancy most likely, maybe he'd even forgive Redcorn if he felt his neglect towards Nancy led to the affair which to be fair, the show has pointed out he does do which doesn't justify the affair but in Dale's eyes, it could
King of the Hill is legitimately a masterclass in interpersonal relationships. The characters have more depth than the majority of shows tbh, and they're very human when you get past the jokes.
I think that’s what so many people don’t get about it. King of the Hill is quaint, human, and the stakes are extraordinarily low even at the most intense moments the show has to offer. Despite this, it’s filled with it’s own kind of tension; the kind that forms between ordinary humans. It’s a great show and I’m glad it exists.
While I am not fully Native American, I do have quite a bit in me, my grandmother being pretty visibly native american. And even I get pissed off at John, especially when he goes on about actions his ancestors did. Noone can control what their people did in the past, and the mentality of treating people like they can has always urked me. Im with you on this one shady
@@Quincy_Morris Native Americans were the people who first inhabited America back when it was known as the new world and lived there before it was discovered by the Europeans
@@michaelcollins2030 your lumping together both groups when the trbies and nations never saw each other as one people and native means to be born of meaning anyone can claim native it also north america is a conatent you don't have claim to the whole thing just your group lived on a small part by the logic france has claim to china cause their on the same land mass
He doesn't just have an illegitimate son, he also has an illegitimate daughter by another woman. And who knows how many more there might be out there with the way he gets around.
Kate is her name and she only appears I believe once. She and Joseph were born days apart. Yet we know nothing else of their relationship after the one episode she was in
He sleeps with countless married women. Multigenerational racism/theft is f*cked up and complicated, but banging married women is extremely preventable lmao.
Redcorn seems to be doing it soley to get back the white man. He never cared about Joseph as a person only that he was part NA. Which is a huge problem non-white communities. Honestly, in real life people need to get over it and leave white people alone. Especially when they bring up things they didn't experience.
I know right? theres an episode where Joseph has a nightmare and wakes up screaming, and Dale just burst in,guns ready because nobody's gonna hurt his kid. When Joseph tells him he had a bad dream, Dale is just like 'oh...well how about I read you a bedtime story?"
It's funny to me that it took so long for Redcorn to actual realize he should and does care about the child he fathered. The problem is he was never the child's father. He was just a sperm donor.
I really hate John's mentality. Using racial prejudice to justify being a terrible person literally undos the point of learning from it and is just scummy.
@@compmanio36 White woman here, sorry to any native Americans who get screwed over by people like john redcorn and then have their concerns over bigotry not taken seriously. Because boy do I know that with some internet "feminists". Case in point this comment
The sad thing too is it’s not a shallow love for dale, a lot of people might say “of course dale loves her, he’s a balding nut and she’s super attractive” but later episodes had Nancy going bald which she attributed to being with dale so she had the conflict of staying with dale but lose her hair or split and go with John redcorn and keep her hair. Thankfully Nancy chose dale and at the end of the episode dales right there with her in a wig shop helping her pick out wigs so she can keep her job as a weather woman.
Hank: who changed Joseph diapers you or some alien!?! Dale: I did Hank: and who took Joseph to his first day of kindergarten!?! Dale: I did Hank: and who taught Joseph to tie his shoes!? Dale: John Redcorn Hank: uh ok but who taught him to ride a bike? Dale: John Redcorn, he taught Joseph and Joseph taught me
Doesn't this bit of story kind of contradict a lot of the other show. Like if John Redcorn actually taught Joseph how to ride a bike why is he so standoffish now? That's a pretty fatherly move that kinda goes against a line of thought I see on RUclips of people saying "John was never there he was just there for the puss" idk the show kinda wrote itself into this.
Love that exchange. I love that whole episode too. Hilarious father role reversal, with Hank and Bobby ending up the sane ones bailing out father and son.
@@BeezyNgeezY-ul1nu not really, Riding a bike and tying shoes are something you learn at a really young age. We see how Joseph’s relationships with dale and John is when he’s a pre teen and going in to his teenage years throughout the show. In the earlier seasons Joseph had a pretty good relationship with dale while John was mostly seen with Nancy. In the later seasons when he was a teenager Joseph didn’t care much about his relationship with dale and didn’t care at all about John while John decided he wanted to be in his life
I grew up with a mother like John Redcorn. Glad I grew up with my Grandfather's idea of judging people based on their acts towards you instead of holding a grudge with someone based on a relative they never even met doing something to a relative you never met.
Another moment that really cements John's scummyness is when Dale catches him climbing over the tractor into Nancy's window and tells him to get in there and massage his wife. Then Redcorn says "He's kind of taking the fun out of this." Not only is it funny but it shows that Redcorn actually takes pleasure not just sexually, but he enjoys the thrill of backstabbing his friend.
Okay, that makes me think that Dale does know, doesn't care, and just wants to raise his son and stick with his wife no matter what, because he made a vow, and he chose to see Joseph as his son.
well that's a cynical way of seeing it. the other is he acknowledges the undeniable thrill of doing something you're not supposed to, not that he's deliberately hurting a friend FOR that thrill, since he's gonna do it anyway and Dale's never gonna find out.
@@floricel_112 thrill of the hunt. that's not messed up at all. the messed up part is actually doing it. hell, denying it's fun would be what's messed up.
@@cerberuskane5061 As true as that is, John Redcorn still isn’t within a hundred-mile radius of having the right to compare it to his own complicated love life.
...Which is a weird thing to criticize Redcorn for considering that he's trying to be a father to Joseph ...and Joseph isn't hurting for a dad anyway because Dale is a surprisingly good father.
My fiance is native (mohawk) and she says for all his disgusting actions, hes rarely stereotyped like most native characters in media. He isnt wise, hes extremely selfish and self absorbed. He uses his race as a tool to get what he wants or guilt trip people. When he DOES speak "of his people" or "native things" in stereotype fashion the wind comedically blows along with a flute playing every time as a running gag. She loves how a Native character is actually given character. Hes flawed and human and not a really good guy. King of the Hill was not afraid to portray a native person in a negative light and it makes the character all the more better to her
The episode in where Dale is getting personal with a pigeon exterminator, and Nancy was getting jealous with him even telling him not to go out with her. Dale just tell her that he never told her not to go out with Red Corn, and she didn't have nothing to say.
And Dale never said "I'm Joseph's father," he said "I'm Joseph's dad." It makes him one of the more intelligent ones in the show. He knew the deal. Was he hurt? Yes, but he also knew someone had to step up to take care of an innocent life that had no choice in the matter. He may not of had a bio-child, but he wore the badge of dad very proudly. Was he perfect? No, but he tried his best and lived his son unconditionally, which is more than you can even say for hank at times.
@@TheDoorspook11c let's be real, Dale with all his shortcomings is a MUCH better father to Joseph than John Redcorn . Dale cares about Joseph and his wife, has a stable job and lives in a decent neighbourhood with friendly neighbours. John Redcorn is a gigolo and a "masseur" (even though he's not very good at it apparently). He lives in a trailer and is a narcisistic p.o.s. . The reason why he wants to bond with Joseph is not out of love, is because he's "HIS" son. If he was a man of character he could have stepped up when Nancy was pregnant and actually face the consequences. He didn't care enough then.. and i know Nancy wouldn't have wanted that, but she is not the boss of him, if you really wanted a son with this woman you could have done a hundred things differently.
I'm 2 years late, but John Redcorn is actually from the Puebloan tribe. The Anasazi are the ancestors of the Puebloans but vanished entirely during the Middle Ages. What caused their disappearance remains unknown.
I know I’m a year late for this come t but that’s actually really interesting like I’m courius what happens to cause an entire tribe to disapere I’ve always liked hysterical mystery’s and thinking about them
@Teahillmusic it could be any factor: famine; need fir new territiry for resources; enemy tribe, etc. There's a very crappy movie about it called The Darkness starting Kevin Bacon. Worst thing I ever seen.
@@themaestro2572 that’s actually realy intresting I’ve always liked anthropology despite the fact I’m currently studying classics in uni also on the movie I actually like watching trash movies so I’ll check it out
If you think about it Dale wins in the end -Nancy Ultimately chooses him over John -Joseph idolizes and adores him -He has a good life overall despite being a insane conspiracy nut Dale has a good live
John also has a terrible life. He lives in a trailer down by the river. He has few meaningful relationships, the main ones being with the friends and husband of his ex mistress. He has multiple children who do not know him or each other in the local area, and he knows this. He is poor and has a limited business that barely provides for him for the majority of the show, it gets better for him at the end of the show but he was becoming a better person at that time.
@@swimmingmide Agreed I wish they delved just a bit more into John and why he is like that. Man is a talented musician and is in perfect shape. Yet never takes advantage of it instead takes from others. It could be showing that John is a hypocrite because he takes from others all the time. Idk either way I’m just happy Dale won in the end
@@swimmingmide adding to this, he is despicable for not coming out to the children because there is a phenomenon where siblings not raised together can become attracted to one another because of their similarities. So he can be setting up a lot of people for perverse heart break.
I'm from the south and the reason he's never referred to as just "John" is because a lot of southern people share the same simple names like Bill and John. We refer to a lot of people by their full names except for immediate friends, like they do in the show
And "Redcorn" is one of those rarer surnames, in this case I presume for cultural reasons, that it would be hard _not_ to use as well. It's just too perfect as a way to address him.
Its funny because that happens if your name is too common or not common at all. I used to mostly go by my last name in school, everyone knows a David no one knows a Teachout. (Yes its teach+out)
another thing that made me hate John Redcorn is when Hank had a wet dream about Nancy and he told Dale. Like okay John you’ve been having an affair with her for over a decade but you gotta tell Dale about Hanks wet dream smh
Except Cotton. He got his shins blown off and went from being 6’4 to 5’0. Plus he died on purpose once Peggy told him that she wants him to live forever. And a few other unbelievable things he’s done.
@@BD-1-And-Only He lost a foot, four inches, that isn't that weird to be shortened by. Oh, and his whole "dying out of spit" thing seems pretty real as well, especially for a WWII vet like him, and what those men were like.
Yes, which is why the show that proceeded it is so baffling to me. In Texas, we often say we literally know the characters of king of the hill. KOTH is the most realize portrayal of North East Texas it's amazing. These aren't just cartoons, they're my friends and neighbors and coworkers *to a T!* And then the Goode Family came out. Every single character was a mean-spirited caricature! Even Beavis and Butthead had more realize characters than the Goode Family. Goddamn.
My take on John Redcorn is this: if he really loved Joseph and wanted to be his father he would be willing to sacrifice his relationship with Nancy for that. He would be willing to bear the burden of being the guy who hurt everyone by making the secret public.
Would prolly be willing to do all that before 14 years of only being the guy who he basically only sees when he's coming to visit mommy while daddy is at work. Seems like the dude made no effort because he only cared about Nancy and didn't start caring about Joseph really until they broke up. Getting a strong vibe that he just wants to cling to Joseph because he came out of their relationship. It's like a parent fighting for custody of a child they never cared about during a divorce. Just being selfish and possessive.
@@MadeInTheAbyss "Respects the fuck out of Dale" fucking his wife is the strongest way to show respect. You might be right about that later on in the show but not by this episode. I doubt the killing everybody thing too because he's shown to be pretty incompetent at just about everything even killing things (except small animals) and standing up for himself.
@@MadeInTheAbyss Dale, for his faults, is still a good person. I doubt that he would try to hurt or kill his family or friends, and I'm even more doubtful that he'd be successful if he tried. More likely is that he'd try to take his own life out of despair and rationalizing that John Redcorn would be a better mate and father to Nancy and Joseph respectively, and even in his despair I think he'd want what's best for them, but he'd likely fail at that too.
@@stonehallow Yeah thats the point. He does respect Dale. Which is why he stops what he is doing despite Nancy wanting to continue. Even flat out says no because they are now friends. He says the same thing to Hank. That he never would because they are friends. He can be scummy but he is mostly a good person. This episode was him struggling about trying not to hurt Dale and find a way to be there for his son at the same time. Which Nancy just tells Joesph the truth.
Thing is Dale does know. He mentions in passing that Joseph was a 'miracle' because the doctors told him he was sterile. Dale is willing to go along because HE wants a son. And it gives him vengeance against Redcorn, everything on paper says Joseph is his. So Redcorn has to watch a man he considers his inferior in every way raise his son, because he was to much a coward to support Nancy enough to divorce Dale and marry him. They played it off like he was just clueless, but he snickers when Redcorn drives up that episode.
@@aguyhere7945 Yea I think her mom moved in with John Redcorn But then we never seen them or talk about them again. And King of The Hill is no stranger of bringing up old things
I long for some confrontation that goes like. "Joseph is not your child!" "Ah, but he *is* my son and I'm the only daddy he knows. You're just his mother's weird friend." Then John Redcorn tries to take a swing and everybody in the alley looks at him like he's the asshole.
Yes. Which is why even as someone who is passionate about promoting native rights I can dislike John Redcorn guilt free. He’s not pro native rights, he’s pro John Redcorn. He wasn’t mad about the effects of colonialism on natives, just how it affected him. Not to mention Dale didn’t steal his son, Redcorn chose to have an affair
@@dreye3215 exactly! Just adds fuel to the fire. Idk how to feel about this representation of native people. On the one hand I’m glad that natives aren’t just seen as 1 dimensional victims. It’s nice that he has his own personality traits and motivations even if it’s scummy. And I did have to chuckle at how he manipulated Johnny by using the white guilt card for his own gain. It was one of those awful but funny moments But on the other hand I hope it doesn’t lead people to thinking all natives are like this tool bag. or that all natives upset about injustices are just overreacting or looking out for their own selfish agendas. Certain edgelords like to use satire as an excuse to be dismissive or flat out racist to minorities.
@@manticoraus I don't think it's wrong to talk about your race/culture in a political context, so long as it's actually relevant to the politics. In his case, it definitely wasn't.
It’s honestly pretty messed up that everyone in the neighborhood knows about the affair but none of Dale’s supposed friends have the decency to tell him.
Mostly because they know it would destroy him. You think Dale has the mental health to be able to deal with the fact his beloved Nancy cheated on him for 14 years??
John Redcorn is a deadbeat dad that regrets his actions being a part of his biological son's life even though another man has raised said son and has CONTINUED to raise said son.
"Hank is very conservative & bobby likes food." Damn i never knew how relatable bobby is. Thats my relationship with my own father We eat, he gives me life advice and his own thoughts on things. Lather rinse repeat
I loved the episode when Peggy actually wanted a massage from John and she just didn't know what was going on between John and Nancy. Hank actually had to explain it to Peggy! Hank said that Peggy and Dale were the only 2 people in town who didn't know about John and Nancy.
@@YujiUedaFan Though its implied he finds out later in the series (the episode Shady talks about) but yeh- Even Bobby seems to know. I remember something like Joseph was talking about his dad and Bobby responds with "John Redcorn?"
As a Native American i absolutely hate JR. I also don’t like the victim mentality he has, I don’t like the manipulation, I don’t like anything about him. And as someone with a dysfunctional family, I hate him for only wanting to be apart of Joseph’s life after he and Nancy broke up. (Edit): I am not, speaking for all natives when I say this. This is just from my experiences.
Shady: “But before we dive into exactly what makes John Redcorn the worst human being that ever existed;” Ezra Miller, Hitler, and Dan Schneider: Hold our Beers.
“She cheated? Hank, I knew about Nancy and John Redcorn. I knew about them the day Joseph was born. But everyday since he was born I’ve been taking my revenge. He loves me. John Redcorn will never get that. He’ll never hear his boy tell him that. Joseph will go to his grave loving me and never do much as looking in John Redcorn’s direction. His children, his grandchildren, they’ll love me too Hank. And they’ll never know Redcorn existed. That’s revenge Hank.” -Dale Thank you to whoever posted that on 4chan.
@@elgatochurro He loves Joseph as *his* son. That’s the best part, he doesn’t need to use his son as a pawn as he’s just doing what a normal father will do, which is loving his son. The revenge is secondary to that.
@@greghannibal No, but this is still Dale's revenge without him knowing it. It really pains John Redcorn that he can never have a relationship with Joseph.
@@Grab123on It's amazing how Redcorn defenders forget that he chose to screw with a married woman and preferred to keep the married woman over his own child.
@@irvinmorales1409 that's literally impossible to forgot. I'm not even defending him, haven't you also heard the theory that Dale knows and he also knows the worst punishment is never letting John acknowledge that that's his son and John will suffer since Joseph will always see Dale as his father.
@@Grab123onWhich he did because he genuinely believed it was for Joseph's better well-being. Misguided? Yes, extremely. But it was still done out of love for his son.
I love how Bobby's exposure of the Anasazi's old cannibalistic ways further goes to show that, even if the Native Americans were victims of conquest, they were far from the peaceable innocents a lot of them claimed to be, especially with how they would conquer their fellow natives for no less noble reasons.
Reminds me of this movie, can't remember the name, but it has US army soldiers having a powwow with Sitting Bull. And Sitting Bull pulls that victim crap where as the U.S captain/major destroys every claim sitting bull spits out. Saying that their people(native americans) are no less peaceful as our people(white man).
@@KenjiAsakura09 …so are you Chinese or Japanese. *brief introduction about being Laotian* Modern Hank: …so are you Vietnamese or Korean? Edit: that’s one of my favorites too😂👌
The Anasazi wouldn't have celebrated thanksgiving even once though, since they weren't anywhere near the east coast. The joke doesn't actually make sense.
@@Byssbod true but I guess the video speaks on that. John Redcorn has a victim mentality so it wouldn’t surprise me that he ironically generalized all Native Americans (tribes) like that😂🤔
Wasn't there a scene in Boondocks where a black guy tried agitating a white guy and nearly got a rise from him, only for the white dude to go, "Wait a second, I'm white!," and walk away laughing?
"the white kid is more offended than the native American" In Joseph's mind he was a white kid too. They never really resolved the whole paternity issue, in the finale you see the Gribbles all together and happy. I kind of like how they left it. What was important was they had each other and were happy in the end.
How about that time Hank had a dream about Nancy and John Redcorn threw a jealous temper tantrum over it. Hank only had a dream about her, yet John who had been sleeping with a married woman for years, got incredibly possessive over her and basically threatened Hank, a long time friend, over it. He’s even admitted to Hank that he would not “heal” Peggy like he does with other people’s wives, basically admitting that Nancy is not the only married woman he’s sleeping around with. I can at least give Nancy some props for ending the relationship and genuinely trying to work on her marriage to Dale, but John Redcorn will always be the dog crapping in another dog’s kennel…
@@DamnMyNickIsTaken pretend? Let me generalize white people and say they like to sleep where they shit and back it up with historical facts. Let’s see if you aren’t offended. Kiss my ass know it all, I watched the video
Your father is whoever's baby batter you're made of. Your dad is the one that raised, taught and loved you. Anyone can knock someone up, taking care of the child is different.
Also, let's not forgot JOHN REDCORN HAS A DAUGHTER THE SAME AGE AS JOSEPH that both he and Nancy know about. however, he doesn't try to get into that child's life either. Therefore, in my mind, he's more infatuated with Nancy moreso than being a father to Joseph. 😫 ALSO also, Bill was willing to raise the daughter, which makes TWO people he knows that would be raising both his children "unwittingly". So yeah, that's the crux of my disdain for Redcorn.
@@crimzon16 no, he and the mom are just on better terms. And the daughter doesnt know. It was an odd episode as the daughter and Joseph end up having crushes on each other.
He didn’t find out about her until that episode and at the end they moved in with him. The next we see of him he’s basically a cameo where he’s only there just to have all the side characters he present. I won’t disagree with you on that he clearly focused more on Joseph because it’s clear he sees his situation as the divorced dad who doesn’t get to see his son. Despite the fact he never tried to get Nancy to leave Dale before they broke up.
Actually I don't think Nancy knew about the daughter. I recall it being news to her as well and it basically proved to her that Redcorn was sleeping around behind her back during their affair.
A wise old rat once told me "All fathers love their sons." I always thought that he meant that you are only a father if you love your child. John Redcorn doesn't love Joseph, he loves the idea of having a son without settling down or taking responsibility.
There's an early Season One episode that reveals even Bobby knew. Joseph: That's a queen ant. My dad has one on his work truck. Bobby: You mean Mr. Gribble? Joseph: Yeah, my dad.
The moment that did it for me was in one of the Christmas episodes. To summarize the episode, Hank was throwing a Christmas party for all their friends, but, a few days before, an old woman who grew up in the Hill's house shows up wanting to die there. Hank kicks her out and she ends up faking her death at a bus station so that she can sneak back into the Hill house without raising suspicion. During the party, John Redcorn tells someone "I was going to boycott this party in protest of Hank's treatment of the elderly, but then I heard Bill is my secret Santa and he always gives cool gifts." This really shows that, despite his outward noble, semi mystical persona, his principles are always purely surface level, and he will abandon them at the first opportunity if it means he gets something, material or otherwise, out of it.
You know, I just realized John Redcorn was the only one trying to sue the government. Either he didn't contact other members of his tribe to see if they were interested, or he did, but none of them were interested. I feel like that says something about his character as well. He wanted the thousands of acres for himself either way.
Basically, yeah. John Redcorn is the epitome of a self-serving "victim" who uses his status as a minority to benefit himself. If he was actually outraged by any of those past injustices, he would have rallied support and attempted to gain land for the Anasazi instead of just himself. Which kinda goes back to that whole "you're not allowed to be outraged by the cannibalism because that was a long time ago" thing. It's a little bit of inconvenient truth that hurts his argument, and therefor he chooses not to bring it up.
@@JB-pp1kt cannibalism happened hundreds of years ago doesn't effect people today, but land stolen does effect people of today that is why it is a stupid argument beacuse who is really offended about some guy getting eaten 100 year a ago. But I sure want what was stolen from me.
2:52 this is such a refreshing way of describing it. instead of calling them “snowflakes” shady simply acknowledges that some issues are too personal for some people.
John Redcorn honestly reminds my of my biological dad wondering why I appreciate my dad more than him, it’s like fuck you give a shit now? That’s strange
Its also a missed opportunity for John Redcorn to genuinely educate a very interested Bobby. This episode really could've been Redcorn coming to grips with what he's done and encouraging an inquiring young mind to delve more into darker bits of history.
History isn’t meant to be dredged up for the sake of personal gain and victim hood. It’s meant to be learned from so you don’t make the same mistakes in the present and future. (I’m agreeing with you)
What about the episode where Dale catches Redcorn sneaking in and when Dale says "Go and massage my wife" Redcorn says "He's taking some of the fun out of this." Indicating that some of the thrill he gets is from knowing that Dale doesn't know what he's doing with Nancy behind his back? Pretty disgusting person. P.S, wow, 1.8k likes! Gotta be myu most liked comment. Thanks for all the love yall, can't believe my most liked comment is about John Redcorn, least he's good for something :D
@@cat-le1hf you gonna fuck around and make the wrong dude angry. And it’s not usually the big ass stereotypical thought guy, you’re gonna get clapped by some angry manlet bruh lol
I'm surprised you didn't even mention John cheated on Nancy during the affair. For how possessive he is, or was, of Joseph and Nancy....He cheated on her, WHILE she cheated on Dale with him....And still acted that way.
He's really well written, actually. Yeah, he does shitty things but this is absolutely how a lot of "playboys" entering their 40's act. He got all the women (he cheated on Nancy while she was cheating with him. Ha) he wanted, partied, dreamt of making it big as a musician and lived in a trailer making a living off "new age healing" when he himself makes it obvious several times he doesn't believe in it. Suddenly, he's 40 and it really starts to dawn on him that he has *no* legacy so he tried to shoehorn himself into Joseph's life. Like "I made something! Look!" because everything else he's done in the last 20 years were very shallow, instant gratification antics. Make him white and add 50lbs, he's the high school quarterback at your 30 year reunion who's been to prison because of "the man" and has a great deal for you to get in on. (it's not a pyramid scheme! It's a triangle!)
Bill actually does get a few women throughout the show (arguably as much as Boomhower). It just doesn't stick because the writers like to keep him as pathetic and miserable as possible. I'm pretty sure they even said as much when fans asked them about why Laoma (Kahn's mom) didn't stay with Bill even though things ended well between them.
lol, I joke about my ancestors being cannibals, and about eating people if they piss me off. An old lady I used to work with a few years ago even taught me a joke in our native language about eating people, wish I remembered it.
Yeah his friends dont respect him, his father abandoned him for over a decade cuz he was too scared to come out and the GOVERNMENT conspiring a Against him. Dude has almost as raw a deal as bill except his problems are less self inflicted
I gotta say its pretty even to me. Its one thing to cheat with a married woman but to hang out or get help from the husband of the woman your cheating with that's really low.
It kinda evens out. Dale doesn't really have a job and Nancy is supporting all three, plus putting up with Dale's antics about aliens and conspiracies.
@@marelicainavokado Well I can't think of an episode where Nancy ever had a problem with Dale's work situation he's a pest exterminator. Though I think Nancy actually makes the income, that being said in a lot of relationships especially when this show came out the male was generally the bread winner in society, here in their relationship the female is. But that being said we should still be holding Nancy to the same standard as a male in her place. I mean yes Dale has a lot of crazy antics and is a major conspiracy theorist but he treats Nancy with love and devotion. He is at the end of the day a very good husband toward her. He doesn't deserve to be treated how he is by her whatsoever. Now if she divorced him because of all his conspiracy theory stuff and antics I couldn't hold that against her. Also I'm pretty sure before they even got married he was a conspiracy theorist and had plenty of crazy antics going on, so it's not like she didn't know what she was getting into before they got married.
Plot twist: Dale knew Redcorn was having a affair with his wife. But purposely acted stupid and decided that the perfect revenge was raising Joseph as his son better than Redcorn will ever be.
The best part is that Dale got to enjoy seeing Joseph's achievements. He got to see him take his first steps. He got to see Joseph speak his first words. He got to teach Joseph how to ride a bike. Those are things Redcorn won't ever be able to replicate. Redconrn will never be Joseph's father. Dale beat him to it.
@@reemohooper2803 He could have done more. If he really wanted to be part of Joseph’s life (and understandably so), then a good father would make all of the effort to do so, no matter the cost. There are dads with court ordered restrictions for meeting their children that are there more than John Redcorn. Being there is the bare minimum. Feeding him, clothing him, changing his diapers, teaching him to walk, giving him a roof and a bed, and protecting him, Dale did this, John did not. Having chats every few weeks and handing out gifts does not constitute fathering a child. He may be Joseph’s father, but believe me, he ain’t his daddy. None of this is even to mention that he sleeps with Nancy regularly (before she broke it off), when he barely even sees his only son. So I guess his priorities lies with his carnal pleasures, as opposed to his own flesh and blood.
I always found this to be true when looking at native history, the name they use in the show means 'enemy' and isn't even their name (they had many). Its just like Natives were human and not mythical, hurts peoples feelings or something...I just hated red corn for being a playboy type I saw often in my youth with the newly divorced moms lol
To be fair, in the real world context it is easier to see how colonialism affects certain groups today more than others than cannibalism. The issue is that instead of arguing about the relevance of colonialism and ultimately how to address it, Redcorn is using it to discriminate against white peoples like Dale who did nothing wrong because he cannot accept his own shittiness. Asking the government for the protection of tribal lands is different than accusing individuals of being complicit in crimes that happened centuries earlier due to their skin color. Asking people to reconsider government policies that may disproportionately affect certain groups of people is far different than asking Dale to give back Joseph, who is Dale’s son. John Redcorn can go eat shit.
He is CORRECT on that. There is no relation between those points. What Bobby brought up is entirely besides the point, and has no connection to anything. Just an ignorant gotcha, used by bigots, to dismiss legitimate grievances. 700+ years ago weren't Redcorn's people, and no one is still suffering from what happened that long ago. The labels we use today, to describe ancient cultures, were not how those societies viewed themselves. Individual societies rarely last longer than 200 years. So there is an extreme difference, between what happened to ancient ancestors, vs what happened to families less than 200 years ago, who're still suffering from systemic issues TODAY as a result.
@@heatseeker9573 It's not the number that matters.. It's the fact the families it happened to are still alive, still suffering, and still disadvantaged in our society, as DIRECT result of events that happened much less than 200 years ago! Heck, the injustices were STILL happening less than 100 ago! So what point are you trying to make?
When analyzing John Redcorn’s relationship with Joseph, I think of a quote from “The Fresh Prince of Bel Air,” when Uncle Phil confronted Will’s father Lou on his sudden reappearance in Will’s life: “Will is not a coat that you hang in the closet, then pick it up when you’re ready to wear it. His life goes on. He’s not supposed to be here for you, you’re supposed to be here for him.” John Redcorn waited fourteen long years to try to take back his son, a son he sired with a married woman. He can’t just expect Joseph to suddenly abandon Dale and accept him as a father. If he really wanted to claim Joseph as his son, he should’ve ben a man and taken the consequences of his actions, and take him in when he was born.
I don't think John Redcorn is the WORST character of them all, but he's 100% narcissistic and a terrible person. All he's worried about is his own "suffering" of not being Joseph's father. He's not thinking of the suffering that would put Dale through or even Joseph realizing Dale was never his biological father.
This is a saliant criticism but I find the narrators fixation on who is actually a victim in this situation instead of the the one who's actually at fault, the mother, to be rather odd. He didn't have a responsibility to dale in regards to his marriage. What his responsibility is to his son. Which he is not allowed to fullfil. The narrator is just reaching for excuses to blame him instead of her.
@@cliffordrobinson3907 To be fair, he does repeatedly clarify, as well as the show itself implies with stories involving the relationship between Redcorn and Joseph, is that just because he's the father doesn't mean he's his dad. The fact that he never bothered to take responsibility for his actions that harmed his close friend without his knowing and then wanting all the benefits of having Joseph. Joseph is Dale's son. John Redcorn has 0 real responsibility towards parenting him due to his own decisions. He's trying to lay claim to something he has no right to.
@@willofthewinds3222 That's odd. Zero responsibility? Is that before or after his rights to his son were taken from him? Is responsibility something you owed to someone or is something that is required of someone?
“Taken from him”? All he has to do is say he’s the father and start paying child support and he has legal right to visitation, recognition of his parental status, etc. But he doesn’t because he’s selfish and ashamed. If he really wanted to take care of Joseph and raise him (or have 50% custody [or whatever family court decides] he could. Almost immediately.
@@cliffordrobinson3907 Assuming Redcorn never sought responsibility until recently, he's effectively forfeited any claim to his son that the public would find agreeable. Carrying on to the events of the show, he has no right to Joseph that anyone would reasonably agree with. To put this in my perspective, imagine if a child were adopted and their biological parent decided to try strong-arming their way into the life of a child who doesn't need them, especially when that individual isn't concerned with such basic morality as enabling a cheating woman.
There's a theory that Dale knew about the affair but pretends not to for the following reasons: -He wanted a son -He gets to live an easy life since Nancy pays the bills -He gets revenge on John Redcorn by bonding with Joseph knowing that Redcorn can only go so far with affections, thus subtly rubbing it in his face -A divorce would ruin their lives, Nancy would lose her job and the respect she earned from others, John Redcorn would be shamed and shunned and Joseph would lose his parents, but also Dale's as he saw what happened when Bill and Lorane got a divorce, dreading the thought of turning into a Bill 2.0 -He quite literally can't find anyone better
He had the best exterminator in the country make moves on him & he shut her down because he was a married man. Dale is a Chad underneath the surface of his goofy antics
My theory is that Dale stopped caring about the betrayal because he loves his wife too much to leave her (even with the cheating) and he chose to treat Joseph as his son regardless of what happened to be the better man. I think Joseph probably figures out the truth too, but doesn't acknowledge John Redcorn because he views John Redcorn as a philandering deadbeat. I think Dale also takes his marriage vows as sacrosanct and unbreakable. "yeah, I know. I stopped caring years ago, because I love her still. Joseph is also my son, whether he's my biological son or not. I could be angry, I could do things out of spite, and it hurt to be betrayed, but I want Joseph to have a good father who loves him."
Also Joseph would've gotten picked on at school & they would've called his mom a hussy when John broke into Dale's house he asked Nancy if she loved Dale she didn't say anything she just looked down. I mean she couldn't tell John she loved Dale did John really think he could break up their marriage? Nancy has too much to lose plus as handsome as he is Nancy knows if she left Dale for John chances are John would end up cheating on her.
There's a greentext from 4chan that outlines this theory in the following: "She cheated? Hank, I knew about Nancy and John Redcorn. I knew about them the day Joseph was born. But every day since he was born, I've been taking my revenge. That boy- He loves me, Hank. He loves me. John Redcorn will never get that. He'll never hear his boy tell him that. Joseph will go to his GRAVE loving me and never so much as looking in John Redcorn's direction. His children, his grandchildren- They'll love me too, Hank. And they'll never know John Redcorn existed."
If this episode was made today, 100% it would be on JR's side. It would be afraid to show a complicated issue with no good answer and just claim "blah blah systemic racism"
The moment John Redcorn turned out to be Joseph's father and not only continued to sleep with Nancy, he continued keeping it a secret was the moment I realized he was not a good person. John Redcorn is the type of character who upon first glance, seems like a cool guy because you think he's a deep character who talks cool, he's handsome and preaches good qualities, but underneath it all, this is all a a deception. If anything, he not only plays victim. He is self aware of how he passes off as the cool guy and takes advantage of it. John Redcorn is the ultimate example that you shouldn't judge someone or treat them special for better or worse just because of their race. If anything, at the risk of putting a stretch on, he's Dale inside out. Dale comes across as weird and hard to like, but deep down, he's an extremely well meaning person, he is militantly committed, he would live and die for his son, and even when he makes mistakes, he owns up to them and feels bad for them for the right reasons. Nancy really did pick Dale over John. Yes, she married him to begin with, but is it any wonder that she went back to him? Dale may be a weird man, but at least he's a man.
Really I can’t even match up with dale despite the petty thing he did too hank it’s nothing compared to what John Redcorn and Nancy did by be unfaithful to dale without his knowledge despite it being obvious in other episodes and having Joseph out of the picture it shows that John may care but it’s not enough because dale automatically fills the gap and is a better father then John can ever be
The moment Patrick turned out to be Jellyfish's father and not only continued to sleep with Spongebob, he continued keeping it a secret was the moment I realized he was not a good person. Patrick Star is the type of character who upon first glance, seems like a cool guy because you think he's a deep character who talks cool, he's handsome and preaches good qualities, but underneath it all, this is all a a deception. If anything, he not only plays victim. He is self aware of how he passes off as the cool guy and takes advantage of it. Patrick Star is the ultimate example that you shouldn't judge someone or treat them special for better or worse just because of their species. If anything, at the risk of putting a stretch on, he's Squidward inside out. Squidward comes across as weird and hard to like, but deep down, he's an extremely well meaning person, he is militantly committed, he would live and die for his son, and even when he makes mistakes, he owns up to them and feels bad for them for the right reasons. Spongebob really did pick Squidward over Patrick. Yes, he married him to begin with, but is it any wonder that she went back to him? Squidward may be a weird man, but at least he's a man
@@Chromeize No, Skylar White was completely reasonable and did nothing wrong. People hate her because she didn't want her husband and the father of her child to be a murderous methmaker
"Dale is Joseph's father" So, I learned personally that there is a difference between a father and a dad. A father is someone who is biologically related to the kid. A dad is someone who actually raises the kid.
@@aw98000 Yeah...not really. Hell, I'm sure a lot of people would argue that there's a difference. The word "father" is commonly used to reference how a man is related to the kids he helped make. But "Dad" is used for men who raise their kids. For example: If your biological father raised you, then obviously you would call him Dad. But if it was another man who raised you (such as a stepfather), chances are that you would call him Dad while still knowing that your "father" was a different man.
I always thought about Dale when Redcorn would have issues with Joseph. Dale is a goofball but he genuinely loves Joseph and Joseph knows it. Being a father is more than being a DNA donor
You left out the best burn from Hank in this episode! When John Redcorn says "I can't believe she left me for that!" Hank replies back "She didn't LEAVE you for THAT, she MARRIED that 2 years before she met you"
I thought hank was making fun of Dale
@@Lucrativecris nah he recognizes Dale is a weirdo but Redcorn is being objectively shitty
@@Lucrativecris Nah, It was Hank explaining to John that Despite how long their affair was it was nothing more than an affair she made a vow with Dale. Sure Nancy is a horrible person for breaking that vow Several times, But she's made it clear that she wouldn't leave Dale for him.
Hank is good at that
@@Lucrativecrishe was idk what they’re talking about
That's the joke. In a nutshell. He appears noble but he's heavily flawed. Whereas Dale, who appears problematic, is actually the more trustworthy.
Eh I'd say Dale is more compassionate than trustworthy. Remember he's flanked on his friends when they needed him numerous times out of fear or to avoid trouble entirely.
I wouldn't say trustworthy but Dale is certainly loyal
Thank you! I don't get how he's a huge King of the Hill fan, yet misses the point when it's right in front of him. On top of John Redcorn serving as an ironic foil for Dale, the media has historically portrayed Native Americans as wise and infallible figures who have been wronged by the white man. While there isn't anything inherently unflattering with that image, it is a tired stereotype that the writers seem to turn on its head by depicting John Redcorn as a morally-compromised character who constantly betrays Dale's trust and engages in other transgressions. The show is full of obvious self-contradictions-such as a substitute Spanish teacher who cannot speak Spanish or a bald, sensitive, overweight man working as a barber in the army-and I am surprised that he made an entire video explaining why he hated John Redcorn, as if the audience was supposed to like him to begin with.
@@waxeightoneeight this video is explaining the aspects of the character that are unlikable. he totally gets the character, he’s just analyzing it.
Unlike another video where a clueless millennial woman complaining that Seinfeld hadn't aged well because so much of the humor is "problematic." Not even grasping that's the entire POINT of the show, the characters were "problematic" in the 1990's and that IS the joke.
Despite how Dale acts he and Hank, with maybe Boomhauer, are the ones I would want with me.
Hank might flake, Boomhauer is himself and will probably leave, but Dale? Dale will ride or die. Might be a bit off his rocker but he isnt so looney he doesn't know who his friends are.
Ironically he is more trustworthy than all his friends, since they all lie to him about Redcorn and Nancy.
The thing you could argue that makes John worse than Nancy is the fact that for 13 years he has remained silent about the paternity of his son. If John had revealed the truth about Joseph and fought for custody when he was a baby, John would probably be raising Joseph with 50/50 custody. Instead, John chose to remain silent in order to continue his affair with Nancy. Essentially, John Redcorn chose his mistress over his son.
exactly
Yeah, he's not entitled to access to Joseph. He's lost all right to the boy, and needs to give up.
That's cus he wasn't sleeping around with just Nancy.. that's why he didn't want to be a father.
10/10 some of these comments sound like they would hypocritically come from people saying "oh women get custody all of the time, its not fair!"
How does John wanting to be with Nancy (the mother of his child, NOT just a mistress) conflict with wanting to be close to Joseph?
@@neonflights5951 it's because he never came forth and took responsibility when Nancy was pregnant or when Joseph was born, instead he chose to still keep the relationship the way it was and not something serious
-Sleeps with married woman.
-Doesn’t get to raise his kid.
-WELL IF IT ISN’T THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY OWN ACTIONS!
little late here but John Redcorn take pleasure in doing the affair thing with Nacy. He has no feeling for Nacy, he only doing it to spite Dale and the white man. He care more about wanting to revenge a bunch of dead white guy from a hundred years ago then raising his own son. John deserves to be alone
@@SWANSWAN-nc7dshe's a flagrant narcissist that's so far up his own rectum it's a wonder he can even see straight. He always goes on about how Dale stole HIS Nancy when she was married to Dale for TWO YEARS before they even met. It's also the reason why he hasn't already gotten Joseph. He doesn't want to deal with the fallout of having to tell the truth, he just wants everything to go the way he wants it, regardless of the consequences or responsibilty
I want to like but it's at 666
@@SWANSWAN-nc7ds
Wow.
He does it all out of spite but still has the Gaul to whine about it?
LOL what the heck?
@@theshinigami55 now you can
My favorite fan theory is that Dale is fully aware of his wife's affair and his revenge is being a good father to make sure John never gets to bond with the child he and Nancy conceived
ive never heard that one but i love it ngl
Oooh damn. That’s good,
I love that due to a greentext I read with this exact premise
Damn that's deep 😕lol
sure but dale's not really a good father
he's not terrible but he's pretty incompetent
I love how John Redcorn comes off as a creepy old man when he tries to bond with Joseph. It's the perfect revenge. Joseph wants nothing to do with him and looks up to Dale
this. actually dale is pretty loyal albit naive, he could've gone away with that sexy bug exterminator lady, which made nancy overly jealous. but he kept being loyal which is why we all love him.
And Dale, with all his craziness and stupidity has one thing spot-on right, and that is being a STELLAR example of what a good father is, despite his flaws.
@@Stanley.77 there’s a theory that Dale knows or knew Nancy Cheated on him but he pretended to ignore it because it made everyone happy. Also he’s a better father to Joseph than RedCorn will ever be.
@@theequalizer694 I kind of feels like he acts like a alien theorist to hide his pain and just smile an parade's as a looney character
Objectively any good in Joseph comes from dale. All redcorn would have taught Joseph is bitterness over the past and ignorance and how to be a charlatan. It's funny as hell how he literally uses his culture and victim status to scam white people out of their money, yet hes a loser who has no meaningful accomplishments in his life. Even nancy eventually dumps him after spending 1 meaningful day with dale not judging him. Her life would be in the gutter without dale in it. Joseph would be a bum like his biological father raised by him and nancy would be a trailer park mom with a biracial child.
Even better he has the nerve to blame the white man for taking from him when hes literally a protected class. Dude even gets free acres of land for reparations.
In odd way, John Redcorn was a bigger nobody when compared to Dale. Aside from being attractive hunk and ladies man, John lived in a trailer, alone, and his therapeutic massages was more of a front for his main work as a gigolo. Even John realized this, he has nothing, no family, no land, no future....until Dale, of all people, lifts him up. It was through Dale's help that he secured those 12 acres of land. Dale also sparked John's career as a successful children's entertainment performer when his own metal band was a dead end failure.
I think it also redeems John alot because once he sees Dale as a friend, rather than some guy, he stops trying to pursue Nancy and finally accepts that she's with Dale
@@almond3066 Too little too late
Hey! He's just doing that until his metal band takes off
@@gxgycf8348 it's never too late to grow and mature.
@@almond3066 True redemption is to tell Dale straight up, in private and beg Dale to not tell his son the truth.
John Redcorn is worse than Nancy.
Throughout the affair, John was just having fun while Nancy romanticized the whole thing. John never made any attempt to make it serious and pretty easily gave Nancy up.
Later, John Redcorn has a mid-life crisis upon realizing he's forty and has nothing to show for his life. He decides outta nowhere that he's owed a relationship with the bastard son he barely knows. He tries to rekindle with Nancy, but she chooses Dale once more.
Nancy always had the most to lose from their affair while John Redcorn was the third party. That he has the nerve to claim he's somehow been wronged is despicable.
Dale Gribble is the only father Joseph has ever known or needed. John Redcorn is just his mother's wierd friend.
He was 36 actually
Nancy's worse cause she was married and knowingly allowed her husband to raise a child that wasn't his. Her romanticizing it is also worse considering she was married.
Nancy is still worse because she allowed Dale to raise a kid who wasn’t his.
@@NukeCaulfield
Indeed, though I think they're both awful.
John Redcorn LOVED being in relationships with married women. Nancy was not the first, and wasn't the last. He was a womanizer and a hypocrite, and had to reconcile with his actions once his favorite affair partner wizened up. He knew exactly what he was doing, I'd even argue he got his rockers off on the idea of him easily stealing some guy's wife away. Dale Gribble was the most foolish man possible who'd be too trusting to ever actually "catch" them. He's a homewrecker and deservedly got his comeuppance once Nancy left and he started realizing he had very little to show. He does make a solid friendship with Dale who helped him get some much needed government documents through the Freedom of Information Act, and he begins to feel guilty for his actions. Properly.. and indirectly breaking the affair with Nancy proper and lets them go.
Nancy was a dissatisfied wife married to a very paranoid, very quirky Exterminator. She didn't get what she wanted out of her marriage and then met John Redcorn. She romanticized this affair and even got knocked up. Dale, being the fool that he is didn't even register the possibility of his wife cheating on him, nor would ever believe anyone saying otherwise. Nancy spent so much time blatantly cheating on him, but one day after a fine couple's date and a night of passion, Nancy realized what she loved about Dale, why she married him and starts to see the sincere devotion and fire she thought was lost. Dale realized how much he ignored Nancy and promised to give her the time she desired, which rekindled their marriage.
Nancy is a cheater, there's no denying that. She doesn't get her proper punishment but she does redeem herself through returning to her marriage, and making an active effort to be involved in Dale and Joseph's lives. Though there is something of a redeeming story in this. That a 14 year long affair is broken mutually and a new future is paved for all of them. Most people desire justice, yet here there's something new each of them.
@@NukeCaulfieldnah redcorns victim mentality makes it worse
John Redcorn also has children with other women but I guess the reason why he’s focused on Joseph is because Joseph looks like him.
Wait, seriously?? Wow.
we should also remember this is confirmed after the revival and the writing became a lot less consistent and honestly ignored john redcorn a LOT
Keep in mind that because of this, Joseph nearly got with a girl who was hinted to be John Redcorns daughter, aka, Joseph's step sister since they have the same father. Meaning him not owning up to having kids with others would have probably lead to a mid life crisis for Joseph had he discovered this later on in life.
@Dynamitewolf t4 At least Nancy tried to redeem herself.
@@airickhaiderr when did King of the Hill had a revival?
A response to John Redcorn of wanting his son back:
"Will is not a coat that you hang in the closet and pick it up when you're ready to wear it. His life goes on! He's not suppose to be here for you, you're suppose to be here for him!" - Uncle Phil
You said it. He didn't even think that doing that would cause unfair emotional damage to Joseph learning about the affair and that he was now expected to forget all those years of Dale caring for him just because one guy said it. If anyone ever told me I shouldn't see my Dad as my Dad because of something that happened over a decade ago, I'd be so furious.
Uncle Phil is always a W
I'm not woke or anti woke.
This anti woke movement is just like the other side of the same coin.
John Redcorn is awesome. He fuqs and listens to classic rock and drives a jeep.
@@wutm8 your standards for cool are pretty low pal
@@wutm8 Why even bring up woke and anti-woke?
John red-corn: Twelve acres? What an insult!
Me, A Lakota: Shit man if the government offered me 12 free acres I'll take it.
Your comment made me laugh so hard I started Koughing
You get plenty of casino money from the suckers
Me, a random hick from the south: hell all I need is two
@@azathoth2067 Me, a Mexican American: You guys get land for free?
@@Darksky1001able you do if the government doesn't know about it
The thing with red corn is he never even really tried to fight for his son. If he really wanted him why didn’t he fight for custody when he was a baby? It’s because red corn wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
IKR? It baffles me that he apparently never realized that his affair with Nancy could end at absolutely any time, and thus, his excuse for being welcome with Joseph's mother. Do you all think he would have continued the affair into their 70s and 80s if they could?
Let's not forget he was also sleeping around with other women. Since there's evidence that he had children with other women.
He just wanted to cuck the White man.
" It’s because red corn wanted to have his cake and eat it too."
Defining trait of people that have affairs when you think about it.
@@talesofgore9424 on god
My favourite moment involving John Redcorn: when Joseph is about to kill a panda at a zoo to prove himself as some initiation and John stops him by catching the arrow that Joseph misfires. But then Dale hands him a gun and says "he won't catch a bullet."
Dale is truly a great character
Dale just wanted to make Joseph happy and not have the same life like he did when he was a kid
What's even more amazing about that episode is Dale was like THIS CLOSE to figuring out Joesph was John Redcorn's son. You know, the whole vision quest thing. But then came to conclusion that the vision meant HE was an Indian. And that's why we love Dale.
But yeah, that was probably the only good thing John Redcorn ever did, stopping the arrow.
@@SuperSwordman1 it takes about 3 arrows to kill a bear, I imagine it would take that many to kill a panda. It may have been good but Joseph likely wouldn't have fired another making the gesture basically meaningless but good.
@@respectfullyrazerian2154 Meh still kept the panda from being injured, and who knows what kind of legal trouble Joseph and Dale would get in for assaulting an endangered animal. So I wouldn't say it was meaningless.
@@SuperSwordman1 I think you mean Rusty Shackleford.
I'm surprised there was no mention of Hank telling John Redcorn "She didn't leave you for (Dale), she married (Dale) two years before she met you". It's a line that best sums up why John Redcorn was in the wrong.
Damn, that should have shut Redcorn down
Uh..... just finished watching fallout 76 videos. What did you just say?
@@ricky-sanchez what is the point of your comment
@@wool578 Clearly, he wanted to ask for clarification on what the OP said. Didn't hear them over his game lol.
Pleaseknowimkiddingaround
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As the famous quote goes "he may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy." John redcorn may have been the biological father but Dale did the rasing and bonding with Joseph.
Reminds me of the episode when Peggy finds out that Nancy and John were having an affair and chooses not to out them after watching Dale be a good dad because it would hurt Dale. Ironically Dale being such a good dad and an accepting person it probably would not have been that big of a deal for him. In the 90's Dale was fine with his dad being gay, thinking John Redcorn was gay, living in a multiracial neighborhood, and a ton of other social non norms for the time.
Damn Yondu was a great dad
God that line makes me tear up every time, but it's so true!!!
As another famous quote goes that describes Dale to a T: “I’m not the stepdad. I’m the dad who stepped up.”
Bingo.
I actually admire the way they did John and Dale. It's a fairly nuanced look at real parent vs biological parent. Dale's certainly not the best father in the world but it's not for lack of trying and he dearly loves Joseph and Nancy. John meanwhile did a bad thing and he's a whiny, entitled, self-aggrandizing selfish man, but he's not a terrible person either. Actually, this whole show was pretty good at nuance where all the characters felt like real people.
I love Joseph and Dale's relationship especially as a foil to Bobby and Hank. A father and son who have plenty of similarities despite sharing no DNA and then a father and a son who are quite different and yet share DNA. It's actually a reason I don't like theories that Bobby isn't Hank's biological son, it undermines the heart of the show where both of these father/son relationships each have nuanced characters who bond regardless of their differences.
Yeah. I don't like a lot of fan theories for that reason. They tend to undermine themes the story was going for, and the theory itself rarely has any value beyond "wouldn't it be crazy if."
Lost me at John not being a terrible person.
He kinda just is. No ifs ands or buts about it.
Correct, everyone is a piece of work and seem fairly grounded in reality. Nobody is perfect in this show.
Even the most crazy and weird characters were based on the behaviors of real people.
@@hail2jigglypuff168 It's why I think a lot of works that have something to say about society fail. They always portray the side they didn't take as these absolute ridiculous caricatures, and the side they do take as these paragons of virtue. People aren't like that in real life, so you can't relate to any of the characters, so the entire moral falls flat.
“The white kid is more offended by this that the Native American kid” dude Joseph thinks he is white too
Joseph is half white. Soooooo
To be fair, a lot of people who aren't part of a recognized tribe do call themselves "white" because of how broad the term is in the US.
@@hyperion3145 dude almost every mexican in america identifies as white, shit, only like 100 years ago irish people weren't even considered white, and now look
@@jango7889 DNA tests have pretty much solidified who is and isn't white -- there is not much ambiguity anymore.
@@erikshure360 its not the dna its the categorization, americas categorization for "white" has changed a lot the past 300 years, give it 50 years time and a new generation of immigrants will be "white"
I always hated guys that knowingly sleeps with another man’s wife, especially when the husband is obviously in love with said woman. Poor Dale.
Because you put yourself in that shoes and wouldn't want that done to you either so don't convince cheating.
And the wife knowingly slept with the man while she was married and made vows😒 hate her
@@aye_papi Honestly, I don’t know who I hate more, Pre-Revelation Nancy or Post-Fall Peggy
When did Post Revelation Nancy start? Was it after Nancy's Boys?
Dale is an idiot, but he's our idiot.
"He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy" - mary poppins
“ *I’m Mary Poppins Y’ALL!!* ”
RIP Mary Poppins. Your whistle arrow slayed many.
I miss Mary yandoo poppins
That's exactly how my dad explained the relationship he has with my half-brother (from a rationship before he and my mom met); he may not be his biological father, but he is abbsolutely his dad.
@@spacedude5208 Yandoo
John Redcorn was happy to sleep around because he could justify his reprehensible action with historical treatment. But once he realized that he was only continuing the crime against his own people he tried to step in, but in a selfish way.
There was no "crime" they lost multiple wars over hundreds of years. Your argument that previous borders matter is what putin is using as a reason to invade Ukraine and try to rebuild the russian "empire".
What about the cannibalism that his tribe did years ago?
@@Johnlindsey289okay? What's the point of this comment? The pilgrims also cannibalised. And I'm pretty sure they weren't cannibals anyway from what I can look up. I don't understand this, you'll cry that "not all men," and say don't generalise a demographic based on the actions of their past ancestors but it's different rules for others?
@@fawnieee
Was saying that John Redcorn has a victimhood mentality to him "White man stole my land and did atrocities" which means he wants his son back when Joseph isn't his son when Dale is the true father of Joseph. When it's hypocritical that once John's tribe committed atrocities.
Yes it's true the Ansasazi did practiced cannibalism once 724 years ago as did some of the pilgrims in Jamestown and Aztecs, some prehistoric people in Spain and Cheddar Gorge UK, some parts of Africa and Asia and around the world as everyone of all races, ethnic groups and that did cannibalism. And it's about learning from the ugly mistakes of our pasts.
@@fawnieee The point is that history doesn’t change anything. A wrong was committed but that doesn’t justify another
For me, it's simple. Cotton is intentionally written as a reprehensible person, so you always see him as a caricature, not as a real person. John Redcorn, however, is written as someone who is supposed to engage on a relatable way with the main characters, which make his faults (his lying, his being an absentee father, etc) all the more despicable.
I dunno. Personally even as reprehensible as Cotton is, there's several moments for me that make me feel like he's a real person. The way that he's lying to some extent about what exactly he did in the war(s), for example. He definitely did something big and lost his legs in a traumatic way, but none of his retellings seem quite like they're the real deal and not just a yarn he's spinning. ( Pun intended. ) The inconsistencies portrayed in his memorabilia and people actively calling him out on BS show that whatever it was he is genuinely a real soldier who did something valorous, but we have no solid idea of just what it was. And the way he copes with it after the war and how he has moments of sadness break through his shouty personality make it seem like the caricature is a front he puts on for himself as a way to cope with some degree of dissatisfaction with his life. He has some genuine moments with his sons and the way he decided to die basically out of being dared to by Peggy came across as very real to me. I've met some people who are like that.
@@collinwarren197 Well said. It is somewhat insulting that people see Cotton as 'reprehensible.' Dude is dealing with war trauma. John Redcorn isn't dealing with trauma; he is pure scum and actually reprehensible
Cotton is a real person
John isn’t relatable
@@collinwarren197 when Cotton makes Peggy walk again, and when everyone keeps calling Kahn Chinese and Japanese and he looks him up and down and says “no, he’s Laotian” are my favorite moments with him.
If John Redcorn really wanted Joseph as his son so badly he would of pressed his claim years ago when Joseph was just a baby. But he didn't so nobody at all should feel sorry for him
That's because he still wanted that sweet Nancy vaj.
Because of Nancy
But how could he really,he tries his best being as close as possible to the family. And Nancy doesn't want it to close so dale doesn't catch on.so John can't do anything more
If Redcorn had things his way, Nancy would've divorced Dale and he probably would've raised Joseph.. As for the affair with other women, he's not in a relationship or was in one with Nancy because of her wants to where he was single. Yes his playboy lifestyle is a fault like Boomhaurer but no one in the show is perfect.. Plus even if he did ignore Joseph at first, a lot of parents abandon their kids and never look back, while it's awful what they did in the past, at least some people try to move forward knowing they can't fix what happened prior.. Nancy is still more vile, granted if ya wanted to bat Redcorn, it'd be for his lack of courage and conviction towards telling the truth. If you're that bothered, you'd disregard others begging you not do it. Yes there'd be conflict and turmoil but when the dust settles, something better and honest could blossom if you put the effort. Dale would forgive Nancy most likely, maybe he'd even forgive Redcorn if he felt his neglect towards Nancy led to the affair which to be fair, the show has pointed out he does do which doesn't justify the affair but in Dale's eyes, it could
Of course. Nancy, Dale or anyone else wouldnt have been able to stop him if he really cared.
King of the Hill is legitimately a masterclass in interpersonal relationships. The characters have more depth than the majority of shows tbh, and they're very human when you get past the jokes.
I think that’s what so many people don’t get about it. King of the Hill is quaint, human, and the stakes are extraordinarily low even at the most intense moments the show has to offer. Despite this, it’s filled with it’s own kind of tension; the kind that forms between ordinary humans. It’s a great show and I’m glad it exists.
@@Duplicitousthoughtformentity perfect explanation i hope we get a reboot
Mike Judge is one of the smartest people in all of American entertainment.
@@ohh1065 no
@@hueylong7989 yes
While I am not fully Native American, I do have quite a bit in me, my grandmother being pretty visibly native american. And even I get pissed off at John, especially when he goes on about actions his ancestors did. Noone can control what their people did in the past, and the mentality of treating people like they can has always urked me. Im with you on this one shady
If you were born here then you are a Native American
@@Quincy_Morris Most retarted statement ever made.
@Quincy_Morris no not everyone born in the US is native american
@@Quincy_Morris Native Americans were the people who first inhabited America back when it was known as the new world and lived there before it was discovered by the Europeans
@@michaelcollins2030 your lumping together both groups when the trbies and nations never saw each other as one people and native means to be born of meaning anyone can claim native it also north america is a conatent you don't have claim to the whole thing just your group lived on a small part by the logic france has claim to china cause their on the same land mass
I mean, John Redcorn is the father, but dale is Joseph’s daddy.
"He might be your father but he ain't your daddy" Yondu.
nurture vs nature at it's finest
Redcorn was just the sperm donor.
John isn't the father, he's the sire.
Dale has been more of a dad to Joseph then John ever been
He doesn't just have an illegitimate son, he also has an illegitimate daughter by another woman. And who knows how many more there might be out there with the way he gets around.
Kate is her name and she only appears I believe once. She and Joseph were born days apart. Yet we know nothing else of their relationship after the one episode she was in
He sleeps with countless married women. Multigenerational racism/theft is f*cked up and complicated, but banging married women is extremely preventable lmao.
Redcorn seems to be doing it soley to get back the white man.
He never cared about Joseph as a person only that he was part NA. Which is a huge problem non-white communities.
Honestly, in real life people need to get over it and leave white people alone.
Especially when they bring up things they didn't experience.
I never knew he had another child. How many married women was he sleeping with?
The worst part was that Kate and Joseph almost kissed each other, never knowing they were half siblings🤮
Dale LOVES Joseph. He's a bit strange, but he would do anything for Joseph.
John needs to back the hell down.
I know right? theres an episode where Joseph has a nightmare and wakes up screaming, and Dale just burst in,guns ready because nobody's gonna hurt his kid. When Joseph tells him he had a bad dream, Dale is just like 'oh...well how about I read you a bedtime story?"
@@ruyekahatori3073 awe
@@ruyekahatori3073 Yeah I remember it was the cutest thing.
Edit: And the way Joseph looked at his dad with such loving adoration was so so sweet.
Joseph is John red corns biological son. Back the hell down? You must not have any children. As a parent that’s impossible.
It's funny to me that it took so long for Redcorn to actual realize he should and does care about the child he fathered. The problem is he was never the child's father. He was just a sperm donor.
I really hate John's mentality. Using racial prejudice to justify being a terrible person literally undos the point of learning from it and is just scummy.
That's the majority of race baiters though. Which is exactly what's trying to be portrayed in the show with this character.
@@compmanio36 White woman here, sorry to any native Americans who get screwed over by people like john redcorn and then have their concerns over bigotry not taken seriously. Because boy do I know that with some internet "feminists". Case in point this comment
Sounds like a typical SJW
Victim mentality is self destructive, and leads to the person with it, becoming a victimizer themselves.
If 9nly a certain group in America learned that
Nancy absolutely did not deserve Dale. He might have been a conspiracy nut, but he was pure.
Exactly. She did Dale dirty in the worst way possible and never confessed. Ugh Dale loved her so much
The sad thing too is it’s not a shallow love for dale, a lot of people might say “of course dale loves her, he’s a balding nut and she’s super attractive” but later episodes had Nancy going bald which she attributed to being with dale so she had the conflict of staying with dale but lose her hair or split and go with John redcorn and keep her hair. Thankfully Nancy chose dale and at the end of the episode dales right there with her in a wig shop helping her pick out wigs so she can keep her job as a weather woman.
It must be very stressful being married to Dale and having to listen to his conspiracy theories.
Dude was crazy but loyal.
@@AB-ct3kj ah so that's it. Cheating on your husband is just blowing off steam.
In the words of yondu “He may have been your father, boy, but he wasn't your daddy.”
Indeed.
I don't get it
@@goofybutserious4807 you probably haven’t seen guardians of the galaxy 2 then
@@denocraftedgonzalez8044 No I'm not a geek who watches generic talking trees and rad stereotypical racoons. I have a life.
@@goofybutserious4807 it’s a good movie tho
Hank: who changed Joseph diapers you or some alien!?!
Dale: I did
Hank: and who took Joseph to his first day of kindergarten!?!
Dale: I did
Hank: and who taught Joseph to tie his shoes!?
Dale: John Redcorn
Hank: uh ok but who taught him to ride a bike?
Dale: John Redcorn, he taught Joseph and Joseph taught me
Doesn't this bit of story kind of contradict a lot of the other show. Like if John Redcorn actually taught Joseph how to ride a bike why is he so standoffish now? That's a pretty fatherly move that kinda goes against a line of thought I see on RUclips of people saying "John was never there he was just there for the puss" idk the show kinda wrote itself into this.
Love that exchange. I love that whole episode too. Hilarious father role reversal, with Hank and Bobby ending up the sane ones bailing out father and son.
Classic
@@BeezyNgeezY-ul1nu not really,
Riding a bike and tying shoes are something you learn at a really young age. We see how Joseph’s relationships with dale and John is when he’s a pre teen and going in to his teenage years throughout the show. In the earlier seasons Joseph had a pretty good relationship with dale while John was mostly seen with Nancy. In the later seasons when he was a teenager Joseph didn’t care much about his relationship with dale and didn’t care at all about John while John decided he wanted to be in his life
I forgot about the bike thing!
I grew up with a mother like John Redcorn.
Glad I grew up with my Grandfather's idea of judging people based on their acts towards you instead of holding a grudge with someone based on a relative they never even met doing something to a relative you never met.
Another moment that really cements John's scummyness is when Dale catches him climbing over the tractor into Nancy's window and tells him to get in there and massage his wife. Then Redcorn says "He's kind of taking the fun out of this."
Not only is it funny but it shows that Redcorn actually takes pleasure not just sexually, but he enjoys the thrill of backstabbing his friend.
Okay, that makes me think that Dale does know, doesn't care, and just wants to raise his son and stick with his wife no matter what, because he made a vow, and he chose to see Joseph as his son.
well that's a cynical way of seeing it. the other is he acknowledges the undeniable thrill of doing something you're not supposed to, not that he's deliberately hurting a friend FOR that thrill, since he's gonna do it anyway and Dale's never gonna find out.
John Redcorn also got suicidal when his casino got shutdown but not when he lost his son. He also has a daughter he didn’t really care about.
@@KairuHakubi doesn't make it not messed up that he thinks going behind a man's back and sleeping with his wife is "fun"
@@floricel_112 thrill of the hunt. that's not messed up at all. the messed up part is actually doing it. hell, denying it's fun would be what's messed up.
As a Native American whose seen too many young boys never know their father I give all races permission to criticize John Redcorn:
Same here. Here’s a permission slip other races 📝
Yeah but me as a native agrees with John corn with my land, people stole this land
@@cerberuskane5061 As true as that is, John Redcorn still isn’t within a hundred-mile radius of having the right to compare it to his own complicated love life.
...Which is a weird thing to criticize Redcorn for considering that he's trying to be a father to Joseph ...and Joseph isn't hurting for a dad anyway because Dale is a surprisingly good father.
@@olliegoria M E O W S E R S
"That kid is a freaking mystery."
Bobby is a national treasure.
Sometimes that boy IS right, i tell you hwut
Bobby's the star
Yeah Canada
Bobby makes the show!
@@NathanTarantlawriter Not just Bobby, but the relationship between Hank and Bobby.
My fiance is native (mohawk) and she says for all his disgusting actions, hes rarely stereotyped like most native characters in media. He isnt wise, hes extremely selfish and self absorbed. He uses his race as a tool to get what he wants or guilt trip people. When he DOES speak "of his people" or "native things" in stereotype fashion the wind comedically blows along with a flute playing every time as a running gag. She loves how a Native character is actually given character. Hes flawed and human and not a really good guy. King of the Hill was not afraid to portray a native person in a negative light and it makes the character all the more better to her
in my head canon, "wait a second, i'm black" is a parody on The Boondocks' "wait a second, i'm white"
Come back here!
"This is a PERFECTLY good moment to throw YOUR life away!"🧐
I had the same thought and it was done so well here.
I fucking love that show. It aged so well
Ima keep it real with chief, I just saw that video, and this video was recommended next
"Wait a second...I'm black! I can make fun of whoever I want!"
This had me laughing so hard, my stepdad came in to see if I was okay.
Did you show him the opening, and did he laugh too?
@@hariman7727 He did! Lol
Welcome to the club cabron
he's not even making fun he's just criticizing (rightfully so) a fictional character.
@@SupHapCak True, true
The episode in where Dale is getting personal with a pigeon exterminator, and Nancy was getting jealous with him even telling him not to go out with her. Dale just tell her that he never told her not to go out with Red Corn, and she didn't have nothing to say.
And Dale never said "I'm Joseph's father," he said "I'm Joseph's dad." It makes him one of the more intelligent ones in the show. He knew the deal. Was he hurt? Yes, but he also knew someone had to step up to take care of an innocent life that had no choice in the matter. He may not of had a bio-child, but he wore the badge of dad very proudly. Was he perfect? No, but he tried his best and lived his son unconditionally, which is more than you can even say for hank at times.
@@crystalmorgan8039 also John red corn was a bit unstable , not the best dad trait.
@@TheDoorspook11c let's be real, Dale with all his shortcomings is a MUCH better father to Joseph than John Redcorn . Dale cares about Joseph and his wife, has a stable job and lives in a decent neighbourhood with friendly neighbours. John Redcorn is a gigolo and a "masseur" (even though he's not very good at it apparently). He lives in a trailer and is a narcisistic p.o.s. . The reason why he wants to bond with Joseph is not out of love, is because he's "HIS" son. If he was a man of character he could have stepped up when Nancy was pregnant and actually face the consequences. He didn't care enough then.. and i know Nancy wouldn't have wanted that, but she is not the boss of him, if you really wanted a son with this woman you could have done a hundred things differently.
What made it even funnier was John redcorn of all people was telling Nancy not to let dale go lol.
I'm 2 years late, but John Redcorn is actually from the Puebloan tribe. The Anasazi are the ancestors of the Puebloans but vanished entirely during the Middle Ages. What caused their disappearance remains unknown.
I know I’m a year late for this come t but that’s actually really interesting like I’m courius what happens to cause an entire tribe to disapere I’ve always liked hysterical mystery’s and thinking about them
@Teahillmusic it could be any factor: famine; need fir new territiry for resources; enemy tribe, etc.
There's a very crappy movie about it called The Darkness starting Kevin Bacon. Worst thing I ever seen.
@@themaestro2572 that’s actually realy intresting I’ve always liked anthropology despite the fact I’m currently studying classics in uni also on the movie I actually like watching trash movies so I’ll check it out
If you think about it Dale wins in the end
-Nancy Ultimately chooses him over John
-Joseph idolizes and adores him
-He has a good life
overall despite being a insane conspiracy nut
Dale has a good live
Wow, it is such a accomplisment when a whore chooses You over another man 😂
John also has a terrible life. He lives in a trailer down by the river. He has few meaningful relationships, the main ones being with the friends and husband of his ex mistress. He has multiple children who do not know him or each other in the local area, and he knows this. He is poor and has a limited business that barely provides for him for the majority of the show, it gets better for him at the end of the show but he was becoming a better person at that time.
@@swimmingmide
Agreed
I wish they delved just a bit more into John and why he is like that. Man is a talented musician and is in perfect shape. Yet never takes advantage of it instead takes from others. It could be showing that John is a hypocrite because he takes from others all the time.
Idk either way I’m just happy Dale won in the end
@@swimmingmide adding to this, he is despicable for not coming out to the children because there is a phenomenon where siblings not raised together can become attracted to one another because of their similarities. So he can be setting up a lot of people for perverse heart break.
The older i get the less like a crazy conspiracy theroistdale becomes 😅
I'm from the south and the reason he's never referred to as just "John" is because a lot of southern people share the same simple names like Bill and John. We refer to a lot of people by their full names except for immediate friends, like they do in the show
And "Redcorn" is one of those rarer surnames, in this case I presume for cultural reasons, that it would be hard _not_ to use as well. It's just too perfect as a way to address him.
I've lived in the south my whole life and have never experienced that, unless you're like, acknowledging someone from afar that you arent close with
Its funny because that happens if your name is too common or not common at all. I used to mostly go by my last name in school, everyone knows a David no one knows a Teachout. (Yes its teach+out)
This was common where I grew up in the Midwest as well
Usually for my friends and stuff we just say each other’s last name. Or some stupid nickname.
another thing that made me hate John Redcorn is when Hank had a wet dream about Nancy and he told Dale. Like okay John you’ve been having an affair with her for over a decade but you gotta tell Dale about Hanks wet dream smh
Dude.....I remember that. I also though that was a d*ck move.
To be fair, John does owe Dale a lot.
@@beastwarsFTW - No he doesn’t. Nancy does.
@@notyourfrind9415 I forgot that happened too. I particularly wouldn’t rank that episode amongst the best but F John Redcorn for that.
@@lebabyjames2724
Dale got him his land and helped him with his failing music career.
0:45 This needs to become a meme.
One thing that's great about the show: every character is a genuine believable human being.
Great comment
Except Cotton. He got his shins blown off and went from being 6’4 to 5’0. Plus he died on purpose once Peggy told him that she wants him to live forever. And a few other unbelievable things he’s done.
@@BD-1-And-Only He lost a foot, four inches, that isn't that weird to be shortened by. Oh, and his whole "dying out of spit" thing seems pretty real as well, especially for a WWII vet like him, and what those men were like.
Yes, which is why the show that proceeded it is so baffling to me. In Texas, we often say we literally know the characters of king of the hill. KOTH is the most realize portrayal of North East Texas it's amazing. These aren't just cartoons, they're my friends and neighbors and coworkers *to a T!* And then the Goode Family came out. Every single character was a mean-spirited caricature! Even Beavis and Butthead had more realize characters than the Goode Family. Goddamn.
Not really. There's like 5 characters that aren't believable.
My take on John Redcorn is this: if he really loved Joseph and wanted to be his father he would be willing to sacrifice his relationship with Nancy for that. He would be willing to bear the burden of being the guy who hurt everyone by making the secret public.
Would prolly be willing to do all that before 14 years of only being the guy who he basically only sees when he's coming to visit mommy while daddy is at work. Seems like the dude made no effort because he only cared about Nancy and didn't start caring about Joseph really until they broke up. Getting a strong vibe that he just wants to cling to Joseph because he came out of their relationship. It's like a parent fighting for custody of a child they never cared about during a divorce. Just being selfish and possessive.
@@MadeInTheAbyss "Respects the fuck out of Dale" fucking his wife is the strongest way to show respect. You might be right about that later on in the show but not by this episode. I doubt the killing everybody thing too because he's shown to be pretty incompetent at just about everything even killing things (except small animals) and standing up for himself.
@@MadeInTheAbyss Dale, for his faults, is still a good person. I doubt that he would try to hurt or kill his family or friends, and I'm even more doubtful that he'd be successful if he tried. More likely is that he'd try to take his own life out of despair and rationalizing that John Redcorn would be a better mate and father to Nancy and Joseph respectively, and even in his despair I think he'd want what's best for them, but he'd likely fail at that too.
@@jayb8934 Nancy doesn't deserve it though.
@@stonehallow
Yeah thats the point. He does respect Dale. Which is why he stops what he is doing despite Nancy wanting to continue. Even flat out says no because they are now friends. He says the same thing to Hank. That he never would because they are friends. He can be scummy but he is mostly a good person.
This episode was him struggling about trying not to hurt Dale and find a way to be there for his son at the same time. Which Nancy just tells Joesph the truth.
John: I took your wife.
Dale: I took your son.
Hmm are you sure you aren't The Question because you surely look awfully simillar to him
@@emanuelgabrielpopa5248 Oh, so all white guys with no face look the same to you? He could be the Slender Man for all you know.
@@emanuelgabrielpopa5248 bruh he said he's not the question wtf
But the wife is still with Dale and he's plowing her too.
Me: he was never his son....but how your biological daughter
Thing is Dale does know. He mentions in passing that Joseph was a 'miracle' because the doctors told him he was sterile. Dale is willing to go along because HE wants a son. And it gives him vengeance against Redcorn, everything on paper says Joseph is his. So Redcorn has to watch a man he considers his inferior in every way raise his son, because he was to much a coward to support Nancy enough to divorce Dale and marry him. They played it off like he was just clueless, but he snickers when Redcorn drives up that episode.
Reminders: He got another child he don’t want to spend time or try to pursuit
Didn't he have a daughter that eventually moved in with him? Granted she only showed up in one episode, so it might not count.
@@aguyhere7945 Yea I think her mom moved in with John Redcorn But then we never seen them or talk about them again. And King of The Hill is no stranger of bringing up old things
In one episode Bill's girlfriend has a daughter that's John's as well if I remember correctly
@@yesididstopsayingididntspe4926 yes and Dale thinks its his daughter and doesn’t want Joseph to be with her and gets John Redcorn to intervene.
Holy shit I watched this whole video and that fact slipped my mind, what a vile human being
Invades marriage, colonizes uterus. Spends life concealing it, fails to confess his own sins.
"Colonizes uterus" is the funniest way to describe it
He really did colonize her uterus
Sounds like John Redcorn is actually Canadian
I long for some confrontation that goes like.
"Joseph is not your child!"
"Ah, but he *is* my son and I'm the only daddy he knows. You're just his mother's weird friend."
Then John Redcorn tries to take a swing and everybody in the alley looks at him like he's the asshole.
Ironic
Him comparing his situation with Joseph to the colonisation of his people is honestly disgusting.
Yes. Which is why even as someone who is passionate about promoting native rights I can dislike John Redcorn guilt free. He’s not pro native rights, he’s pro John Redcorn. He wasn’t mad about the effects of colonialism on natives, just how it affected him. Not to mention Dale didn’t steal his son, Redcorn chose to have an affair
@@alyssapinon9670 Not only did he only care about how it affected him, but he was more angered by this situation that HE caused by hiding an affair.
@@dreye3215 exactly! Just adds fuel to the fire. Idk how to feel about this representation of native people. On the one hand I’m glad that natives aren’t just seen as 1 dimensional victims. It’s nice that he has his own personality traits and motivations even if it’s scummy. And I did have to chuckle at how he manipulated Johnny by using the white guilt card for his own gain. It was one of those awful but funny moments
But on the other hand I hope it doesn’t lead people to thinking all natives are like this tool bag. or that all natives upset about injustices are just overreacting or looking out for their own selfish agendas. Certain edgelords like to use satire as an excuse to be dismissive or flat out racist to minorities.
@@alyssapinon9670 anyone leaning on native American identity for rhetoric to me is a toolbag especially counter ant personal actions.
@@manticoraus I don't think it's wrong to talk about your race/culture in a political context, so long as it's actually relevant to the politics. In his case, it definitely wasn't.
John getting an ally in the form of Bobby, then blowing him off immediately on seeing Joeseph made me go "what the fuck" out loud.
It’s honestly pretty messed up that everyone in the neighborhood knows about the affair but none of Dale’s supposed friends have the decency to tell him.
Mostly because they know it would destroy him. You think Dale has the mental health to be able to deal with the fact his beloved Nancy cheated on him for 14 years??
@@Sphynxle I don't even think "mental health" adequately describes it...Dale is unhinged. He would build a Killdozer over less.
@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck He absolutely would.
The guy is a paranoid nutcase. Telling him the only 2 people he trusts implicitly betrayed him would destroy him
Fake friends would tell him immediately
John Redcorn is a deadbeat dad that regrets his actions being a part of his biological son's life even though another man has raised said son and has CONTINUED to raise said son.
I’m not even real deep into King of the Hill but his bullshit was clear to me within a few episodes.
"Wait a second, I'm black! I can make fun of whoever I want!"
That had me rolling. I love when YT's recommended videos are this good.
Lol that cracked me the hell up too.
Instant sub lol
Honestly, same. That won me over 🤣
Best intro.^^
I'm not sure what the joke was.
Another thing Redcorn does is turning his nose up to 12 acres of FREE LAND.
"Hank is very conservative & bobby likes food." Damn i never knew how relatable bobby is. Thats my relationship with my own father
We eat, he gives me life advice and his own thoughts on things. Lather rinse repeat
Ppojjjbbbbggbhdvbb me too
Shiii me too, I have somewhat similar beliefs but food😋😋😋
you're going to have to give up food if you want to be a communist
@@SevenCompleted its a good way to lose weight.
@@SevenCompleted eat the rich
I loved the episode when Peggy actually wanted a massage from John and she just didn't know what was going on between John and Nancy. Hank actually had to explain it to Peggy! Hank said that Peggy and Dale were the only 2 people in town who didn't know about John and Nancy.
And Joseph too. Bobby knows and doesn't really care.
@@YujiUedaFan Though its implied he finds out later in the series (the episode Shady talks about) but yeh- Even Bobby seems to know. I remember something like Joseph was talking about his dad and Bobby responds with "John Redcorn?"
I know Bobby figured it out, but I forgot if it was on screen.
As a Native American i absolutely hate JR. I also don’t like the victim mentality he has, I don’t like the manipulation, I don’t like anything about him. And as someone with a dysfunctional family, I hate him for only wanting to be apart of Joseph’s life after he and Nancy broke up.
(Edit): I am not, speaking for all natives when I say this. This is just from my experiences.
Pretty sure my step Uncle would hate him too. He's also native American and one of my favorite people.
John is a douchebag. I never liked him. :/
fuck dude, so many natives come from broken homes :( it's depressing
@Artoria Pendragon it’s not that I don’t like the episode. It’s just I really do like JR personally.
I agree donuts are better than bagels
He's got great taste in 80's rock
Shady: “But before we dive into exactly what makes John Redcorn the worst human being that ever existed;”
Ezra Miller, Hitler, and Dan Schneider: Hold our Beers.
“She cheated? Hank, I knew about Nancy and John Redcorn. I knew about them the day Joseph was born. But everyday since he was born I’ve been taking my revenge. He loves me. John Redcorn will never get that. He’ll never hear his boy tell him that. Joseph will go to his grave loving me and never do much as looking in John Redcorn’s direction. His children, his grandchildren, they’ll love me too Hank. And they’ll never know Redcorn existed. That’s revenge Hank.”
-Dale
Thank you to whoever posted that on 4chan.
I always thought that too.
Dale wouldn't turn Joseph into a pawn for his revenge
@@elgatochurro He loves Joseph as *his* son. That’s the best part, he doesn’t need to use his son as a pawn as he’s just doing what a normal father will do, which is loving his son. The revenge is secondary to that.
Dale isn't nearly clever enough to pull something like that off. Remember when he thought Hank had betrayed him and nearly had a mental breakdown?
@@greghannibal No, but this is still Dale's revenge without him knowing it. It really pains John Redcorn that he can never have a relationship with Joseph.
No matter how crappy John is we can all appreciate Dale as a god tier father
It's hilarious how people forgot Dale literally encouraged him to kill a panda and hang out with the wrong crowd
@@Grab123on
It's amazing how Redcorn defenders forget that he chose to screw with a married woman and preferred to keep the married woman over his own child.
@@irvinmorales1409 that's literally impossible to forgot. I'm not even defending him, haven't you also heard the theory that Dale knows and he also knows the worst punishment is never letting John acknowledge that that's his son and John will suffer since Joseph will always see Dale as his father.
Yes, it's an endearing trait that it's pretty much the one thing Dale does unironically well.
@@Grab123onWhich he did because he genuinely believed it was for Joseph's better well-being. Misguided? Yes, extremely. But it was still done out of love for his son.
John Recorn has always been one of my least favorite characters on King of the Hill as well, mostly because of the affair with Nancy thing.
Also his band. It sucked John!
When you say "Least favorite" you don't mean actually badly written right? Because his affair with Nancy isn't meant to be seen in a positive light.
LMAO dude it's a cartoon
@@paulk.794 doesn't mean you can't hate a character.
I love how Bobby's exposure of the Anasazi's old cannibalistic ways further goes to show that, even if the Native Americans were victims of conquest, they were far from the peaceable innocents a lot of them claimed to be, especially with how they would conquer their fellow natives for no less noble reasons.
Oppression in only bad when other do it to you.
Reminds me of this movie, can't remember the name, but it has US army soldiers having a powwow with Sitting Bull. And Sitting Bull pulls that victim crap where as the U.S captain/major destroys every claim sitting bull spits out. Saying that their people(native americans) are no less peaceful as our people(white man).
@@Lvl1.Sentry
Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee
Dale: Do your people even celebrate Thanksgiving?
John: We did. *Once.*
My favorite KOTH joke😂👌
My favorite joke was when Kahn first moved in and he was explaining that he's Laotian
@@KenjiAsakura09 …so are you Chinese or Japanese.
*brief introduction about being Laotian*
Modern Hank: …so are you Vietnamese or Korean?
Edit: that’s one of my favorites too😂👌
The Anasazi wouldn't have celebrated thanksgiving even once though, since they weren't anywhere near the east coast. The joke doesn't actually make sense.
@@Byssbod true but I guess the video speaks on that. John Redcorn has a victim mentality so it wouldn’t surprise me that he ironically generalized all Native Americans (tribes) like that😂🤔
@@LordWyatt true enough!
“Wait a second, I’m black”
That one guy in the boomdocks that thought her was white
Uncle Ruckus
Boondocks
Wasn't there a scene in Boondocks where a black guy tried agitating a white guy and nearly got a rise from him, only for the white dude to go, "Wait a second, I'm white!," and walk away laughing?
@@Themasterjtg yeah, that popped up in my recommended not too long ago
Boondocks
"the white kid is more offended than the native American"
In Joseph's mind he was a white kid too. They never really resolved the whole paternity issue, in the finale you see the Gribbles all together and happy. I kind of like how they left it. What was important was they had each other and were happy in the end.
Lol
Nancy Should have given dale a kid
I do believe as Joseph gets older he’s going to eventually notice he looks nothing like his parents and begin asking questions.
It reminds me of the Washington Redskins football team. Most native Americans are not offended by the name, but white liberals are
@@Navy35 no native American have been complaining about that for decades and they started the change of the name. Which is fine.
How about that time Hank had a dream about Nancy and John Redcorn threw a jealous temper tantrum over it. Hank only had a dream about her, yet John who had been sleeping with a married woman for years, got incredibly possessive over her and basically threatened Hank, a long time friend, over it.
He’s even admitted to Hank that he would not “heal” Peggy like he does with other people’s wives, basically admitting that Nancy is not the only married woman he’s sleeping around with.
I can at least give Nancy some props for ending the relationship and genuinely trying to work on her marriage to Dale, but John Redcorn will always be the dog crapping in another dog’s kennel…
The sad thing is Dale actually helped him get back some of his people's land.
It showed John that he (Dale) is a better man than him.
I thought the Ancestral Pueblo were largely in New Mexico and Arizona though?
@@DamnMyNickIsTaken Bill Whittle said it best, the Clovis Man was here first.
@@DamnMyNickIsTaken who tf told you indigenous natives were cannibals? We don’t eat people
@@DamnMyNickIsTaken pretend? Let me generalize white people and say they like to sleep where they shit and back it up with historical facts. Let’s see if you aren’t offended. Kiss my ass know it all, I watched the video
Your father is whoever's baby batter you're made of. Your dad is the one that raised, taught and loved you. Anyone can knock someone up, taking care of the child is different.
You typed your father is whoever's baby batter you're made of I think you meant isn't.
Father and dad should be switched in this
“He may have been your father, boy. But he wasn’t your daddy.”
Yeah he wasn't allowed to
Not just anybody can knock somebody up. Some people have a narrow urethra and low sperm count
Also, let's not forgot JOHN REDCORN HAS A DAUGHTER THE SAME AGE AS JOSEPH that both he and Nancy know about. however, he doesn't try to get into that child's life either. Therefore, in my mind, he's more infatuated with Nancy moreso than being a father to Joseph. 😫 ALSO also, Bill was willing to raise the daughter, which makes TWO people he knows that would be raising both his children "unwittingly". So yeah, that's the crux of my disdain for Redcorn.
Doesn't he end up with that kid's mom by the end of the episode?
@@crimzon16 no, he and the mom are just on better terms. And the daughter doesnt know. It was an odd episode as the daughter and Joseph end up having crushes on each other.
@@LilViper510oh alright, it's been a while since seen it.
He didn’t find out about her until that episode and at the end they moved in with him.
The next we see of him he’s basically a cameo where he’s only there just to have all the side characters he present.
I won’t disagree with you on that he clearly focused more on Joseph because it’s clear he sees his situation as the divorced dad who doesn’t get to see his son. Despite the fact he never tried to get Nancy to leave Dale before they broke up.
Actually I don't think Nancy knew about the daughter. I recall it being news to her as well and it basically proved to her that Redcorn was sleeping around behind her back during their affair.
A wise old rat once told me "All fathers love their sons." I always thought that he meant that you are only a father if you love your child. John Redcorn doesn't love Joseph, he loves the idea of having a son without settling down or taking responsibility.
There's an early Season One episode that reveals even Bobby knew.
Joseph: That's a queen ant. My dad has one on his work truck.
Bobby: You mean Mr. Gribble?
Joseph: Yeah, my dad.
I can’t believe I missed that. Going to have to rewatch
Ooohh~ Bobby almost spilled the truth >_
I remember this episode!!!
I think you're giving Bobby WAAY too much credit, here. I always took that scene to be more of a _>wink
Oh damn I just watched that episode and missed it
The moment that did it for me was in one of the Christmas episodes. To summarize the episode, Hank was throwing a Christmas party for all their friends, but, a few days before, an old woman who grew up in the Hill's house shows up wanting to die there. Hank kicks her out and she ends up faking her death at a bus station so that she can sneak back into the Hill house without raising suspicion. During the party, John Redcorn tells someone "I was going to boycott this party in protest of Hank's treatment of the elderly, but then I heard Bill is my secret Santa and he always gives cool gifts." This really shows that, despite his outward noble, semi mystical persona, his principles are always purely surface level, and he will abandon them at the first opportunity if it means he gets something, material or otherwise, out of it.
Think that was just a joke
@@hsimpson7267 Sometimes jokes reveal deep truths
okay tbh that's fucking hilarious, john redcorn got them priorities straight
Jokes are just a way to say uncomfortable truths that people don't want to accept.@@hsimpson7267
@@niko-and-coeven if they are selfish as hell, they are at least straight which gotta count for something.
You know, I just realized John Redcorn was the only one trying to sue the government. Either he didn't contact other members of his tribe to see if they were interested, or he did, but none of them were interested. I feel like that says something about his character as well. He wanted the thousands of acres for himself either way.
Basically, yeah. John Redcorn is the epitome of a self-serving "victim" who uses his status as a minority to benefit himself. If he was actually outraged by any of those past injustices, he would have rallied support and attempted to gain land for the Anasazi instead of just himself. Which kinda goes back to that whole "you're not allowed to be outraged by the cannibalism because that was a long time ago" thing. It's a little bit of inconvenient truth that hurts his argument, and therefor he chooses not to bring it up.
@@judaihyuga that is a stupid argument
@@fckyo9197 not really at all. That’s his personality
@@JB-pp1kt cannibalism happened hundreds of years ago doesn't effect people today, but land stolen does effect people of today that is why it is a stupid argument beacuse who is really offended about some guy getting eaten 100 year a ago. But I sure want what was stolen from me.
@@fckyo9197 That's a stupid argument. It wasn't stolen from you.
2:52 this is such a refreshing way of describing it. instead of calling them “snowflakes” shady simply acknowledges that some issues are too personal for some people.
John Redcorn honestly reminds my of my biological dad wondering why I appreciate my dad more than him, it’s like fuck you give a shit now? That’s strange
your step dad?
@@SuperPeterok - yup
@@Stuart_Dooley I have the same story bra. I feel you. Except my biological dad doesn't give a shit.
@@SuperPeterok Same here.
Same here man cept i got different circumstances
I'm native American..and I dislike him as well
Lol nice. What tribe are you from if you don’t mind me asking? And how do you feel about King of the Hill’s representation of natives
Dude same
Hope bot feel had to like or dislike him
as a native American fuck that guy lol
Somebody did write john redcorn like this, just showing an indigenous person complaining their land was taken and not delving further.
Its also a missed opportunity for John Redcorn to genuinely educate a very interested Bobby. This episode really could've been Redcorn coming to grips with what he's done and encouraging an inquiring young mind to delve more into darker bits of history.
History isn’t meant to be dredged up for the sake of personal gain and victim hood. It’s meant to be learned from so you don’t make the same mistakes in the present and future. (I’m agreeing with you)
@@mrpizzacat8273 You have a good head on your shoulders. 😉
Everyone in this comment thread has a good head on their shoulders, I don't know if I do personally, but you all probably do.
@@ahkwyatt8174 You probably do as well. 😉
@@americanalligator1284 You give me too much credit, I've messed myself up quite a bit.
What gets me is that in a future episode, Dale admits he knows about the affair but he stays with Nancy to spite Redcorn (or something to that effect)
Chad Rusty Shackleford vs Virgin John Redcorn
It was the episode where he had that attractive female exterminator who was into him.
"I didn't say anything about your friendship with John Redcorn."
What about the episode where Dale catches Redcorn sneaking in and when Dale says "Go and massage my wife" Redcorn says "He's taking some of the fun out of this." Indicating that some of the thrill he gets is from knowing that Dale doesn't know what he's doing with Nancy behind his back? Pretty disgusting person. P.S, wow, 1.8k likes! Gotta be myu most liked comment. Thanks for all the love yall, can't believe my most liked comment is about John Redcorn, least he's good for something :D
@@cat-le1hf you gonna fuck around and make the wrong dude angry. And it’s not usually the big ass stereotypical thought guy, you’re gonna get clapped by some angry manlet bruh lol
@@jujuonthatqueef5043 fax. go around fuckin’ with taken women and you’re bound to meet one guy who doesn’t take too kindly to that
@@jujuonthatqueef5043 This is unrelated but that is the best username I’ve ever seen
Season 3 Dog Dale Afternoon
In true white boy fashion blame and harm everyone but your woman who actually cheated smh
I'm surprised you didn't even mention John cheated on Nancy during the affair. For how possessive he is, or was, of Joseph and Nancy....He cheated on her, WHILE she cheated on Dale with him....And still acted that way.
That's just it with John Redcorn, it's not just the fact that he a lecherous womanizer, but the fact that he's a gigantic hypocrite.
"You havin dreams about my sweet Nan-Nan?"
-Man who is sleeping with someones wife.
People who cheat generally get upset when cheated on. This is very common.
So you’re upset Jhon cheated on a cheater??
666 likes.
He's really well written, actually. Yeah, he does shitty things but this is absolutely how a lot of "playboys" entering their 40's act. He got all the women (he cheated on Nancy while she was cheating with him. Ha) he wanted, partied, dreamt of making it big as a musician and lived in a trailer making a living off "new age healing" when he himself makes it obvious several times he doesn't believe in it.
Suddenly, he's 40 and it really starts to dawn on him that he has *no* legacy so he tried to shoehorn himself into Joseph's life. Like "I made something! Look!" because everything else he's done in the last 20 years were very shallow, instant gratification antics.
Make him white and add 50lbs, he's the high school quarterback at your 30 year reunion who's been to prison because of "the man" and has a great deal for you to get in on. (it's not a pyramid scheme! It's a triangle!)
@Samuel DeGrey Bill never had women or antics...
@@noumenine6474 He had plenty of antics, but no women.
If you don't add those 50 pounds you have uncle rico
@@HomersIlliad Bill gets quite a few women during the show. Hell, he hooks up with Anne Rice.
Bill actually does get a few women throughout the show (arguably as much as Boomhower). It just doesn't stick because the writers like to keep him as pathetic and miserable as possible. I'm pretty sure they even said as much when fans asked them about why Laoma (Kahn's mom) didn't stay with Bill even though things ended well between them.
lol, I joke about my ancestors being cannibals, and about eating people if they piss me off. An old lady I used to work with a few years ago even taught me a joke in our native language about eating people, wish I remembered it.
I would just joke giving you smallpox and we would laugh and have some cold sodas afterwards.
Eh, Nancy is worse. Like Dale didn't deserve all that betrayal
Yeah his friends dont respect him, his father abandoned him for over a decade cuz he was too scared to come out and the GOVERNMENT conspiring a
Against him.
Dude has almost as raw a deal as bill except his problems are less self inflicted
I gotta say its pretty even to me. Its one thing to cheat with a married woman but to hang out or get help from the husband of the woman your cheating with that's really low.
It kinda evens out. Dale doesn't really have a job and Nancy is supporting all three, plus putting up with Dale's antics about aliens and conspiracies.
@@marelicainavokado
She knew he was insane when she married him SHE signed up for this
HE didnt
Also exterminator is a completly legitimate job
@@marelicainavokado Well I can't think of an episode where Nancy ever had a problem with Dale's work situation he's a pest exterminator. Though I think Nancy actually makes the income, that being said in a lot of relationships especially when this show came out the male was generally the bread winner in society, here in their relationship the female is. But that being said we should still be holding Nancy to the same standard as a male in her place. I mean yes Dale has a lot of crazy antics and is a major conspiracy theorist but he treats Nancy with love and devotion. He is at the end of the day a very good husband toward her. He doesn't deserve to be treated how he is by her whatsoever. Now if she divorced him because of all his conspiracy theory stuff and antics I couldn't hold that against her. Also I'm pretty sure before they even got married he was a conspiracy theorist and had plenty of crazy antics going on, so it's not like she didn't know what she was getting into before they got married.
Plot twist: Dale knew Redcorn was having a affair with his wife. But purposely acted stupid and decided that the perfect revenge was raising Joseph as his son better than Redcorn will ever be.
....I could see him doing that.
The best part is that Dale got to enjoy seeing Joseph's achievements. He got to see him take his first steps. He got to see Joseph speak his first words. He got to teach Joseph how to ride a bike. Those are things Redcorn won't ever be able to replicate. Redconrn will never be Joseph's father. Dale beat him to it.
Sounds like beta male cope to me.
@@fern8336 John Redcorn taught Joseph how to ride a bike. Then Joseph taught Dale.
Exactly, he records every phone call and has cameras everywhere in his house, how could he not know
As someone who never knew his biological parents, I'd have to say that Dale is Joseph's father. He raised Joseph, he was there, John Redcorn wasn't.
i only met mine few years ago
But jon redcorn was literally there the whole time but he couldnt act as a father because of nancy not letting him
@@reemohooper2803 his fault for sleeping with someone elses wife
@@ihateweezer7222 But john redcorn was there and always wanted to be there more
@@reemohooper2803 He could have done more. If he really wanted to be part of Joseph’s life (and understandably so), then a good father would make all of the effort to do so, no matter the cost. There are dads with court ordered restrictions for meeting their children that are there more than John Redcorn. Being there is the bare minimum. Feeding him, clothing him, changing his diapers, teaching him to walk, giving him a roof and a bed, and protecting him, Dale did this, John did not. Having chats every few weeks and handing out gifts does not constitute fathering a child. He may be Joseph’s father, but believe me, he ain’t his daddy. None of this is even to mention that he sleeps with Nancy regularly (before she broke it off), when he barely even sees his only son. So I guess his priorities lies with his carnal pleasures, as opposed to his own flesh and blood.
"Canibalism was a long time ago... but colonialism still counts" . Terrible human being
I always found this to be true when looking at native history, the name they use in the show means 'enemy' and isn't even their name (they had many). Its just like Natives were human and not mythical, hurts peoples feelings or something...I just hated red corn for being a playboy type I saw often in my youth with the newly divorced moms lol
To be fair, in the real world context it is easier to see how colonialism affects certain groups today more than others than cannibalism.
The issue is that instead of arguing about the relevance of colonialism and ultimately how to address it, Redcorn is using it to discriminate against white peoples like Dale who did nothing wrong because he cannot accept his own shittiness. Asking the government for the protection of tribal lands is different than accusing individuals of being complicit in crimes that happened centuries earlier due to their skin color. Asking people to reconsider government policies that may disproportionately affect certain groups of people is far different than asking Dale to give back Joseph, who is Dale’s son.
John Redcorn can go eat shit.
He is CORRECT on that. There is no relation between those points. What Bobby brought up is entirely besides the point, and has no connection to anything. Just an ignorant gotcha, used by bigots, to dismiss legitimate grievances.
700+ years ago weren't Redcorn's people, and no one is still suffering from what happened that long ago. The labels we use today, to describe ancient cultures, were not how those societies viewed themselves. Individual societies rarely last longer than 200 years. So there is an extreme difference, between what happened to ancient ancestors, vs what happened to families less than 200 years ago, who're still suffering from systemic issues TODAY as a result.
@@GrumpDog so, should all grievences be dropped after 200 years?
@@heatseeker9573 It's not the number that matters.. It's the fact the families it happened to are still alive, still suffering, and still disadvantaged in our society, as DIRECT result of events that happened much less than 200 years ago!
Heck, the injustices were STILL happening less than 100 ago! So what point are you trying to make?
Redcorn: I can't believe she left me, for *that* ...
Hank: She didn't leave you for that, she married that 2 years before she met you.
also, doesn't JR have like a dozen married women he sleeps with?
@@notusingmyname4791
Yep, and one of them had a daughter who got into a fling with Joseph.
Yeah that was an episode, and I hate that I know that.
When analyzing John Redcorn’s relationship with Joseph, I think of a quote from “The Fresh Prince of Bel Air,” when Uncle Phil confronted Will’s father Lou on his sudden reappearance in Will’s life:
“Will is not a coat that you hang in the closet, then pick it up when you’re ready to wear it. His life goes on. He’s not supposed to be here for you, you’re supposed to be here for him.”
John Redcorn waited fourteen long years to try to take back his son, a son he sired with a married woman. He can’t just expect Joseph to suddenly abandon Dale and accept him as a father. If he really wanted to claim Joseph as his son, he should’ve ben a man and taken the consequences of his actions, and take him in when he was born.
How do we know he never wanted to but Nancy told him not to?
@@carybeweary7209 We don’t, all we can do is speculate.
Uncle Phil was a good uncle.
And considering later on he did it to more than one family. And there is nothing later showing he is now a family with someone else.
That episode of fresh prince is so amazing and heart breaking. Some of will smiths best acting
The tribal cannibalism vs colonialism thing was surprisingly nuanced I was not expecting a take like that from King of the Hill
Mike Judge is underrated
I don't think Mike Judge really has any strong allegiance to any political ideology. He just sees bullshit and goes after it, similar to South Park.
He’s a genius
A story that would never be told today.
@@quinnfletcher3906 Pessimist.
Anyone notice how ironic it is for John Redcorn to drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee?
I don't think John Redcorn is the WORST character of them all, but he's 100% narcissistic and a terrible person.
All he's worried about is his own "suffering" of not being Joseph's father.
He's not thinking of the suffering that would put Dale through or even Joseph realizing Dale was never his biological father.
This is a saliant criticism but I find the narrators fixation on who is actually a victim in this situation instead of the the one who's actually at fault, the mother, to be rather odd.
He didn't have a responsibility to dale in regards to his marriage. What his responsibility is to his son. Which he is not allowed to fullfil. The narrator is just reaching for excuses to blame him instead of her.
@@cliffordrobinson3907 To be fair, he does repeatedly clarify, as well as the show itself implies with stories involving the relationship between Redcorn and Joseph, is that just because he's the father doesn't mean he's his dad. The fact that he never bothered to take responsibility for his actions that harmed his close friend without his knowing and then wanting all the benefits of having Joseph.
Joseph is Dale's son. John Redcorn has 0 real responsibility towards parenting him due to his own decisions. He's trying to lay claim to something he has no right to.
@@willofthewinds3222 That's odd. Zero responsibility? Is that before or after his rights to his son were taken from him? Is responsibility something you owed to someone or is something that is required of someone?
“Taken from him”? All he has to do is say he’s the father and start paying child support and he has legal right to visitation, recognition of his parental status, etc. But he doesn’t because he’s selfish and ashamed. If he really wanted to take care of Joseph and raise him (or have 50% custody [or whatever family court decides] he could. Almost immediately.
@@cliffordrobinson3907 Assuming Redcorn never sought responsibility until recently, he's effectively forfeited any claim to his son that the public would find agreeable.
Carrying on to the events of the show, he has no right to Joseph that anyone would reasonably agree with.
To put this in my perspective, imagine if a child were adopted and their biological parent decided to try strong-arming their way into the life of a child who doesn't need them, especially when that individual isn't concerned with such basic morality as enabling a cheating woman.
There's a theory that Dale knew about the affair but pretends not to for the following reasons:
-He wanted a son
-He gets to live an easy life since Nancy pays the bills
-He gets revenge on John Redcorn by bonding with Joseph knowing that Redcorn can only go so far with affections, thus subtly rubbing it in his face
-A divorce would ruin their lives, Nancy would lose her job and the respect she earned from others, John Redcorn would be shamed and shunned and Joseph would lose his parents, but also Dale's as he saw what happened when Bill and Lorane got a divorce, dreading the thought of turning into a Bill 2.0
-He quite literally can't find anyone better
Dale is smarter than we think he is...
He had the best exterminator in the country make moves on him & he shut her down because he was a married man. Dale is a Chad underneath the surface of his goofy antics
My theory is that Dale stopped caring about the betrayal because he loves his wife too much to leave her (even with the cheating) and he chose to treat Joseph as his son regardless of what happened to be the better man.
I think Joseph probably figures out the truth too, but doesn't acknowledge John Redcorn because he views John Redcorn as a philandering deadbeat.
I think Dale also takes his marriage vows as sacrosanct and unbreakable.
"yeah, I know. I stopped caring years ago, because I love her still. Joseph is also my son, whether he's my biological son or not. I could be angry, I could do things out of spite, and it hurt to be betrayed, but I want Joseph to have a good father who loves him."
Also Joseph would've gotten picked on at school & they would've called his mom a hussy when John broke into Dale's house he asked Nancy if she loved Dale she didn't say anything she just looked down. I mean she couldn't tell John she loved Dale did John really think he could break up their marriage? Nancy has too much to lose plus as handsome as he is Nancy knows if she left Dale for John chances are John would end up cheating on her.
There's a greentext from 4chan that outlines this theory in the following:
"She cheated? Hank, I knew about Nancy and John Redcorn. I knew about them the day Joseph was born. But every day since he was born, I've been taking my revenge. That boy- He loves me, Hank. He loves me. John Redcorn will never get that. He'll never hear his boy tell him that. Joseph will go to his GRAVE loving me and never so much as looking in John Redcorn's direction. His children, his grandchildren- They'll love me too, Hank. And they'll never know John Redcorn existed."
"Wait! You're Black?!"
"Always have been."
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@@everybodysMaster1 best reply ever
If this episode was made today, 100% it would be on JR's side. It would be afraid to show a complicated issue with no good answer and just claim "blah blah systemic racism"
The moment John Redcorn turned out to be Joseph's father and not only continued to sleep with Nancy, he continued keeping it a secret was the moment I realized he was not a good person. John Redcorn is the type of character who upon first glance, seems like a cool guy because you think he's a deep character who talks cool, he's handsome and preaches good qualities, but underneath it all, this is all a a deception. If anything, he not only plays victim. He is self aware of how he passes off as the cool guy and takes advantage of it. John Redcorn is the ultimate example that you shouldn't judge someone or treat them special for better or worse just because of their race. If anything, at the risk of putting a stretch on, he's Dale inside out. Dale comes across as weird and hard to like, but deep down, he's an extremely well meaning person, he is militantly committed, he would live and die for his son, and even when he makes mistakes, he owns up to them and feels bad for them for the right reasons. Nancy really did pick Dale over John. Yes, she married him to begin with, but is it any wonder that she went back to him? Dale may be a weird man, but at least he's a man.
Really I can’t even match up with dale despite the petty thing he did too hank it’s nothing compared to what John Redcorn and Nancy did by be unfaithful to dale without his knowledge despite it being obvious in other episodes and having Joseph out of the picture it shows that John may care but it’s not enough because dale automatically fills the gap and is a better father then John can ever be
The moment Patrick turned out to be Jellyfish's father and not only continued to sleep with Spongebob, he continued keeping it a secret was the moment I realized he was not a good person. Patrick Star is the type of character who upon first glance, seems like a cool guy because you think he's a deep character who talks cool, he's handsome and preaches good qualities, but underneath it all, this is all a a deception. If anything, he not only plays victim. He is self aware of how he passes off as the cool guy and takes advantage of it. Patrick Star is the ultimate example that you shouldn't judge someone or treat them special for better or worse just because of their species. If anything, at the risk of putting a stretch on, he's Squidward inside out. Squidward comes across as weird and hard to like, but deep down, he's an extremely well meaning person, he is militantly committed, he would live and die for his son, and even when he makes mistakes, he owns up to them and feels bad for them for the right reasons. Spongebob really did pick Squidward over Patrick. Yes, he married him to begin with, but is it any wonder that she went back to him? Squidward may be a weird man, but at least he's a man
@@piscesmayne93 Thank you for doing this
@@piscesmayne93 ah a man of culture, I see
Lol, he may be a weird man but at least he's a man. I love that line.
"And Peggy didn't learn anything", ah yes, no episode of King of the Hill is complete without Peggy not learning a single thing.
She's the Skylar White of King of the Hill.
@@Chromeize No, Skylar White was completely reasonable and did nothing wrong. People hate her because she didn't want her husband and the father of her child to be a murderous methmaker
"Dale is Joseph's father"
So, I learned personally that there is a difference between a father and a dad. A father is someone who is biologically related to the kid. A dad is someone who actually raises the kid.
"Anyone can be a father, but it takes a man to be a dad."
@@SaiyanGamer95 yup
@@SaiyanGamer95 Your Goddamn right. Remember, you can pick your friends, and you can pick your family.
I think you need to check yourself because you don't seem to actually understand the difference. A father is the one who raised the child.
@@aw98000 Yeah...not really. Hell, I'm sure a lot of people would argue that there's a difference. The word "father" is commonly used to reference how a man is related to the kids he helped make. But "Dad" is used for men who raise their kids. For example: If your biological father raised you, then obviously you would call him Dad. But if it was another man who raised you (such as a stepfather), chances are that you would call him Dad while still knowing that your "father" was a different man.
I always thought about Dale when Redcorn would have issues with Joseph. Dale is a goofball but he genuinely loves Joseph and Joseph knows it. Being a father is more than being a DNA donor
"He's not my father, he's just the guy who created me!" - Kamiko, Shadow Warrior 2