I'd love to see some more videos of hammers. It would be nice to see velocities around 1600-1800 fps. I've noticed some times you hit a really low mark and the next loading is 800-1000 FPS faster. It would be nice to see speeds closer to the manufacturers claims, which are tyically in the 1600-2000 fps window.
When I am testing typically I will do low velocity shots in slight increases en-till I have one that dose not fail to perform (in most cases that is similar to the manufactures rating) showing low end effectiveness then flip the blocks and push the high end of the bullet itself or a standard full load in a non-magnum cartage. I am testing bullets and not the cases driving them. I like to know a bullets limitations at both ends because knowing that one knows in-between will be fine. Manufacturers ratings normally cover product lines and averages that can vary quite a bit from caliber to caliber. Noslers ABLR being one of the biggest differences I have seen in my testing from caliber to caliber. (ABLR is still one of my all time favorites regardless of the caliber) It's hard to find a better bullet than a Hammer in monolithic. Badlands Bulldozer 2 possibly better defiantly at least as good. I have completely gotten away from Cutting-Edge because of their seal-tight band and free-bore issues I have had with multiple rifles now, good stopping power on game if one's rifle can shoot them.
@@simplemindedfella glad to hear from you. One area where the type of testing you do is sorely needed is with muzzleloaders. I'm personally interested in monolithic bullet performance, but I thihk all of the major lines that are marketed as long range projectiles should be put through their paces. Speed ratings are all over the place and it feels like every bullet that has been out for more than a season has a bunch of conlicting reviews saying things like "didn't expand on a 70 yard shot" and "I've taken 6 animals past 150 and every time it expaned perfect and left a huge blood trail." People load them to such different velocities and rarely report what they load so it's hard to separate user error vs. exaggeration vs. inconsistent performance and it seems every product reports a non-trivial number of failures. Back on the subject of rifles, I'd like to see a few varmint loads tested in 30 cal at moderate velocities (~2200-2600 fpps) to see which expand best at most typical impact velocities. Everything should (hopefully) instantly grenade above that level and low end performance is not as relevant for that application. if you get back to testing, you could use the varmint buillets to destroy a block at the end of testing and then piece those together to make a review after a few rounds of typical testing. A Hammer HHT gel test would also be cool.
Thanks a bunch, really appreciate these videos on hammer bullets. I’ll be trying these out in my 300 win for moose and bear with the lack of availability for Barnes bullets.
Thank you for the video! I have been looking for a gel test on the hammer shock bullets! I will definitely be picking up the shocks for my 7mm rem mag for some elk this coming season
That performed exceptionally well. I definitely think it performed better than the 152g Lehigh controlled chaos. Both have a similar bc hammer .362, lehigh .333. The hammers cost almost twice as much.... I can't justify the cost with both bullets performing well enough for big game, either should knock down an deer, elk, or bear with minimal issues, given proper shot placement and velocities above 1500fps on impact. Thanks, really enjoyed the Christmas vid!
This comment has me wondering...did pricing change so drastically for the Lehigh in just over a year? I am looking today (2/1/23) and Lehigh CC are $55.00 / 50 count, and the Shock Hammers are $110.00 / 100 count...or the exact same price.
@@jonathanrogers9961 I guess that demonstrates they are charging ~2x more for their famous pistols than is necessary. I could grant them a price increase when acquiring a business segment, for whatever inflation, and production costs...But just halving the quantity makes it seem a bit sneaky, like "wonder if they'll notice".
Thanks for the video man.i shoot these in my 308 and they have worked great on whitetail.i shoot the hammer hunters same grain weight in a 300 wsm and they work very well as well.Merry Christmas and God bless
Been watching a number of your videos, very thoughtfully planned out, low velocity, high velocity impact. It looks like you place a piece of wood in front of the gel. Is that to simulate bone/hide? Also just curious why you are not using three blocks of gel as it seems like bullets are frequently existing the second block of gel. Great vids!!
In my older videos I used to piece a leather stapled to aboard to simulate bone and hide after doing enough test with and without it makes little to know difference and is unnecessary when using 10% ballistics gelatin. I do not have the molds and refrigerator space for more than 2 blocks.
Firing "reduced loads" to simulate longer range or less powerful cartridges doesn't work. With reduced loads and reduced velocities also reduced rotational speed will affect bullet mushrooming.
He has addressed this theory many times and has even done a stand alone video discussing the topic ruclips.net/video/vvTlmo_X594/видео.html. Merry Christmas!
Yes when thinking about rotational spin reducing over distance versus reduced loads logically you would think there is more of an issue than what there is. If it were truly an issue sub sonics out of guns like the 300 AAC/Blackout would have never been created cause it could not have worked, as well as the subsonics in pistol calibers in considering things like the 350 Legend and the 450 Bushmaster, they wouldn't exist eather because it wouldn't work if that were true. Fact of the matter is, it really doesn't play a significant factor at all in the performance of the bullets after impact. It really only plays a factor in the stability of the bullet in flight. Yes I have answered this with a bullet test showing no difference in performance with just over a 80,000 RPM difference ruclips.net/video/vvTlmo_X594/видео.html
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Really cool to see what they did at ultra low velocity. Thanks for sharing
Your welcome
I'd love to see some more videos of hammers. It would be nice to see velocities around 1600-1800 fps. I've noticed some times you hit a really low mark and the next loading is 800-1000 FPS faster. It would be nice to see speeds closer to the manufacturers claims, which are tyically in the 1600-2000 fps window.
When I am testing typically I will do low velocity shots in slight increases en-till I have one that dose not fail to perform (in most cases that is similar to the manufactures rating) showing low end effectiveness then flip the blocks and push the high end of the bullet itself or a standard full load in a non-magnum cartage. I am testing bullets and not the cases driving them. I like to know a bullets limitations at both ends because knowing that one knows in-between will be fine. Manufacturers ratings normally cover product lines and averages that can vary quite a bit from caliber to caliber. Noslers ABLR being one of the biggest differences I have seen in my testing from caliber to caliber. (ABLR is still one of my all time favorites regardless of the caliber)
It's hard to find a better bullet than a Hammer in monolithic. Badlands Bulldozer 2 possibly better defiantly at least as good. I have completely gotten away from Cutting-Edge because of their seal-tight band and free-bore issues I have had with multiple rifles now, good stopping power on game if one's rifle can shoot them.
@@simplemindedfella glad to hear from you. One area where the type of testing you do is sorely needed is with muzzleloaders. I'm personally interested in monolithic bullet performance, but I thihk all of the major lines that are marketed as long range projectiles should be put through their paces. Speed ratings are all over the place and it feels like every bullet that has been out for more than a season has a bunch of conlicting reviews saying things like "didn't expand on a 70 yard shot" and "I've taken 6 animals past 150 and every time it expaned perfect and left a huge blood trail." People load them to such different velocities and rarely report what they load so it's hard to separate user error vs. exaggeration vs. inconsistent performance and it seems every product reports a non-trivial number of failures.
Back on the subject of rifles, I'd like to see a few varmint loads tested in 30 cal at moderate velocities (~2200-2600 fpps) to see which expand best at most typical impact velocities. Everything should (hopefully) instantly grenade above that level and low end performance is not as relevant for that application. if you get back to testing, you could use the varmint buillets to destroy a block at the end of testing and then piece those together to make a review after a few rounds of typical testing. A Hammer HHT gel test would also be cool.
Thanks for sharing.
Thank you and Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!! Great vid!!
Thank you, gal you enjoyed. Merry Christmas!
What a hammer it is. Another great video. Merry Christmas and happy new year
Thanks a bunch, really appreciate these videos on hammer bullets. I’ll be trying these out in my 300 win for moose and bear with the lack of availability for Barnes bullets.
Thank you for the video! I have been looking for a gel test on the hammer shock bullets! I will definitely be picking up the shocks for my 7mm rem mag for some elk this coming season
Thank you for the video! Excellent results, I’ll be buying these for a moose hunt next year!
Your welcome
I have been thoroughly impressed with Hammer Bullets.
That performed exceptionally well. I definitely think it performed better than the 152g Lehigh controlled chaos. Both have a similar bc hammer .362, lehigh .333. The hammers cost almost twice as much.... I can't justify the cost with both bullets performing well enough for big game, either should knock down an deer, elk, or bear with minimal issues, given proper shot placement and velocities above 1500fps on impact. Thanks, really enjoyed the Christmas vid!
Cost is significantly different in those two and I as well would choose Lehigh for that reason.
This comment has me wondering...did pricing change so drastically for the Lehigh in just over a year? I am looking today (2/1/23) and Lehigh CC are $55.00 / 50 count, and the Shock Hammers are $110.00 / 100 count...or the exact same price.
@@ShastaBean they used to be 55 for 100. They kept the same price but cut the quantity in half. So yeah, a 100% jump after wilson combat bought them.
@@jonathanrogers9961 I guess that demonstrates they are charging ~2x more for their famous pistols than is necessary. I could grant them a price increase when acquiring a business segment, for whatever inflation, and production costs...But just halving the quantity makes it seem a bit sneaky, like "wonder if they'll notice".
@@ShastaBean i noticed. Im just glad i got a few boxes before the prices jumped.
I would like to see you try the woodleigh weldcore pp. I’d like to see the low end on that bullet. Thanks
Thanks for the video man.i shoot these in my 308 and they have worked great on whitetail.i shoot the hammer hunters same grain weight in a 300 wsm and they work very well as well.Merry Christmas and God bless
There is such a thing as a high tech fleece bullet trap. 😉
I have started using them and they do help some in the recovering of bullets.
Been watching a number of your videos, very thoughtfully planned out, low velocity, high velocity impact. It looks like you place a piece of wood in front of the gel. Is that to simulate bone/hide? Also just curious why you are not using three blocks of gel as it seems like bullets are frequently existing the second block of gel. Great vids!!
In my older videos I used to piece a leather stapled to aboard to simulate bone and hide after doing enough test with and without it makes little to know difference and is unnecessary when using 10% ballistics gelatin.
I do not have the molds and refrigerator space for more than 2 blocks.
Can you do 30 cal hornady interbond 180gr at 3200-3000 fps?
Just need to get my hands on some then yes
Firing "reduced loads" to simulate longer range or less powerful cartridges doesn't work. With reduced loads and reduced velocities also reduced rotational speed will affect bullet mushrooming.
but rotational speed will also decrease at range. And at a twist rate of 1 in 10 the bullet would only make 2 rotations in 20in of penetration.
He has addressed this theory many times and has even done a stand alone video discussing the topic ruclips.net/video/vvTlmo_X594/видео.html. Merry Christmas!
Yes when thinking about rotational spin reducing over distance versus reduced loads logically you would think there is more of an issue than what there is. If it were truly an issue sub sonics out of guns like the 300 AAC/Blackout would have never been created cause it could not have worked, as well as the subsonics in pistol calibers in considering things like the 350 Legend and the 450 Bushmaster, they wouldn't exist eather because it wouldn't work if that were true. Fact of the matter is, it really doesn't play a significant factor at all in the performance of the bullets after impact. It really only plays a factor in the stability of the bullet in flight.
Yes I have answered this with a bullet test showing no difference in performance with just over a 80,000 RPM difference ruclips.net/video/vvTlmo_X594/видео.html
@@EdAb Merry Christmas!