the US is home to millions of evangelicals? what?? does this man not believe what Jesus said": "strait is the gate narrow the way and FEW there are who find it IOW most who call themselves Christians ARE NOT
I love Wilson and Spencer as brothers in the Lord and I enjoy many of their videos. However, this could have been better. I understand that this was a short video, but most of their points focused on whether postmill was productive rather than whether it was true. “You don’t polish brass on a sinking ship.” 1. Then it is important to determine if the ship is in fact sinking. 2. An easy rejoinder is that believing the ship is sinking will make one focus on saving as many souls as possible. 3. All of our ships are sinking in an earthly sense, (this life will come to an end), but Jesus is the master shipwright. Moving on, it is incorrect to say that premillennialists have no plan for the future. Jesus may come back today or 40k years in the future. In the meantime, we’re supposed to be carrying on the great commission as well as the creation mandate as part of our love for people and as part of being good stewards. I am sure you do not appreciate folks saying that sovereign grace encourages sloth, so I would appreciate it if you would be more nuanced in your approach to this topic. Have a blessed day!
pre mills don't have a theology of advancing the kingdom? STRAW MAN it is called preaching. post mill holds the naive hope that MAN IS GOOD for only if man is good will all men convert to Christ
Appreciate DW voice and opinions very much. Like yourself, it was he who first introduced the viability of the post mill view and made it make sense. That said, I do not see within my circle of pre-mill friends a doom and gloom mentality when it comes to the future. Even though most of my evangelical friends hold to the traditional pre-mill view, they are still quite optimistic about the future and advancing the Kingdom. Am I missing something? Does pre-mill always assume an end of the world sense of apathy?
I tend to agree with this stance in general- however; how could one say "there is still a future worth fighting for" when one believes that everything was pre-determined (including sin)? Doesn't seem to be compatible with reformed philosophy does it?
I would respectfully reject the satement in the video title. The vast majority of early church was pre-millenial, and the scriptures are replete with that concept. Christ is going to return to judge the earth first, then to usher in the Kingdom that was first promised to the Jews in Christ's first comming. God bless, and Maranatha!! ☝️✝️🙏
Jesus said My Kingdom is not of this world. When the fullness of the Gentiles is fulfilled Jesus will rapture the Church, the Bride and then save Israel and then set up His Kingdom on this earth.
@@driley6518 oh I know that even from 2 Samuel 7. I was just asking you to clarify yourself. When you quoted Jesus saying His kingdom was not of this world, and in the next breath your saying it is. So what do you mean when Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world, without spiritualising it?
Israel rejecting Him as their Messiah and King so we’ve been grated into his Spiritual Kingdom but when He comes back then He will be King over the earth. That’s why we pray for His Kingdom to come. When Israel rejected Him His Kingdom was postponed. Acts 1:6 His disciples thought He would set up His earthly Kingdom then. His Kingdom is not of this world was said to the Pharisees that He wasn’t hear to change the world then because Israel rejected Him, but He will and He will be King over the earth Zach 12 and after the 1000 year reign He gives the Kingdom back to His Father I Cor 15:52-54.
post mil in order to have something to hope for??? what about the hope of the resurrection of the just. if you hope in the world you have forsaken Christ
You don't build the roof of a house before setting the foundations.... The most important discussion in Eschatology is not pre or post mil but instead if interpretation should be preterist, futurist or historicist.... ALL reformation fathers where historicists but today almost all pastors embrace futurism and can't or don't explain why.... Futurism (and preterism) does not agree with the Westminster confession nor the Baptist confession of 1689 therefore does not agree with the reformed creed....
So sad that Christians argue about eschatology, as though that doctrine matters in how Christians are supposed to live. Your eschatological doctrine as a believer is far less important to God than it is to you. So much more is important in the walk of a believer than end times theology.
"The rest of the dead did not live until the thousand years was up." "Blessed are those of the first resurrection." This is a very deliberately confused subject for the purpose of deception.
EASY-PEASY!🤪 Two resurrections: one for the living, one for the dead…the first, when Christ returns, to resurrect all non-Church, non-Raptured Believers into Christ’s millennial kingdom. The second, of those in hell, at the end of 1,000 years, to final judgment. So easy to understand. What’s the problem?
Listening to the dishonest remarks by your guest that premillenial theology has no plan for advancing the kingdom, I recognize the complete ignorance of what he said. As a Bible believing Christian that is pretribulation and premillenial and also proactive in evangelizinglthe lost hearing this guy say that prompts a laughing response followed by, he is either a liar, or ignorant of the truth. I have personally examined the differences in the millennial belief systems and amillenialism and postmillenialism are not consistent with Scripture because of the method of interpretation employed. The spiritualizing of the texts makes any theological position they come up with subjective to the interpreter. I've listened to enough of your guest to recognize that he is not worth listening to.
I'm not a Dispensational Futurist, but I agree with you. Postmillennialists act like they're the only ones working to "advance the Kingdom". And all based on a false Eschatological system: Partial Preterism and Postmillennialism.
Lots of Pre-mills have built universities and Colleges and fought the good fight and changed culture.
the US is home to millions of evangelicals?
what?? does this man not believe what Jesus said":
"strait is the gate narrow the way and FEW there are who find it
IOW most who call themselves Christians ARE NOT
Ah, the “Millennium;”
1000 years of peace that Christians love to fight over.
Ask yourself, In which eschatological camp are the hearts and eyes of believers heavenly and in which camp are they focused on the earthly?
God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
To me that doesn't help because I've seen a lot of Godly people on both sides of the Eschatological camp.
I love Wilson and Spencer as brothers in the Lord and I enjoy many of their videos. However, this could have been better. I understand that this was a short video, but most of their points focused on whether postmill was productive rather than whether it was true. “You don’t polish brass on a sinking ship.” 1. Then it is important to determine if the ship is in fact sinking. 2. An easy rejoinder is that believing the ship is sinking will make one focus on saving as many souls as possible. 3. All of our ships are sinking in an earthly sense, (this life will come to an end), but Jesus is the master shipwright. Moving on, it is incorrect to say that premillennialists have no plan for the future. Jesus may come back today or 40k years in the future. In the meantime, we’re supposed to be carrying on the great commission as well as the creation mandate as part of our love for people and as part of being good stewards. I am sure you do not appreciate folks saying that sovereign grace encourages sloth, so I would appreciate it if you would be more nuanced in your approach to this topic. Have a blessed day!
Well said.
pre mills don't have a theology of advancing the kingdom?
STRAW MAN
it is called preaching.
post mill holds the naive hope that MAN IS GOOD
for only if man is good will all men convert to Christ
Thanks Will Spencer and Pastor Doug Wilson.. so much chaos & turbulence.
Appreciate DW voice and opinions very much.
Like yourself, it was he who first introduced the viability of the post mill view and made it make sense.
That said, I do not see within my circle of pre-mill friends a doom and gloom mentality when it comes to the future.
Even though most of my evangelical friends hold to the traditional pre-mill view, they are still quite optimistic about the future and advancing the Kingdom.
Am I missing something?
Does pre-mill always assume an end of the world sense of apathy?
Doug looks like someone off an episode of Hoarders.
I tend to agree with this stance in general- however; how could one say "there is still a future worth fighting for" when one believes that everything was pre-determined (including sin)? Doesn't seem to be compatible with reformed philosophy does it?
I would respectfully reject the satement in the video title. The vast majority of early church was pre-millenial, and the scriptures are replete with that concept.
Christ is going to return to judge the earth first, then to usher in the Kingdom that was first promised to the Jews in Christ's first comming.
God bless, and Maranatha!! ☝️✝️🙏
It takes a calvinist to instruct the feeble minded calvinists.
Jesus said My Kingdom is not of this world. When the fullness of the Gentiles is fulfilled Jesus will rapture the Church, the Bride and then save Israel and then set up His Kingdom on this earth.
I thought you just said His kingdom is not of this world yet returns to this world to set up His Kingdom.
So which is it?
He will be the earthly King sitting on David’s throne. Read Zach 12-14 without spiritualizing the texts.
@@driley6518 oh I know that even from 2 Samuel 7.
I was just asking you to clarify yourself. When you quoted Jesus saying His kingdom was not of this world, and in the next breath your saying it is.
So what do you mean when Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world, without spiritualising it?
Israel rejecting Him as their Messiah and King so we’ve been grated into his Spiritual Kingdom but when He comes back then He will be King over the earth. That’s why we pray for His Kingdom to come. When Israel rejected Him His Kingdom was postponed. Acts 1:6 His disciples thought He would set up His earthly Kingdom then. His Kingdom is not of this world was said to the Pharisees that He wasn’t hear to change the world then because Israel rejected Him, but He will and He will be King over the earth Zach 12 and after the 1000 year reign He gives the Kingdom back to His Father I Cor 15:52-54.
What about Armageddon?
post mil in order to have something to hope for???
what about the hope of the resurrection of the just.
if you hope in the world you have forsaken Christ
You don't build the roof of a house before setting the foundations....
The most important discussion in Eschatology is not pre or post mil but instead if interpretation should be preterist, futurist or historicist....
ALL reformation fathers where historicists but today almost all pastors embrace futurism and can't or don't explain why....
Futurism (and preterism) does not agree with the Westminster confession nor the Baptist confession of 1689 therefore does not agree with the reformed creed....
Apathomil
So sad that Christians argue about eschatology, as though that doctrine matters in how Christians are supposed to live. Your eschatological doctrine as a believer is far less important to God than it is to you. So much more is important in the walk of a believer than end times theology.
"The rest of the dead did not live until the thousand years was up." "Blessed are those of the first resurrection." This is a very deliberately confused subject for the purpose of deception.
EASY-PEASY!🤪
Two resurrections: one for the living, one for the dead…the first, when Christ returns, to resurrect all non-Church, non-Raptured Believers into Christ’s millennial kingdom.
The second, of those in hell, at the end of 1,000 years, to final judgment.
So easy to understand. What’s the problem?
Luke 13, Hosea 4.
Listening to the dishonest remarks by your guest that premillenial theology has no plan for advancing the kingdom, I recognize the complete ignorance of what he said.
As a Bible believing Christian that is pretribulation and premillenial and also proactive in evangelizinglthe lost hearing this guy say that prompts a laughing response followed by, he is either a liar, or ignorant of the truth.
I have personally examined the differences in the millennial belief systems and amillenialism and postmillenialism are not consistent with Scripture because of the method of interpretation employed. The spiritualizing of the texts makes any theological position they come up with subjective to the interpreter.
I've listened to enough of your guest to recognize that he is not worth listening to.
I'm not a Dispensational Futurist, but I agree with you.
Postmillennialists act like they're the only ones working to "advance the Kingdom".
And all based on a false Eschatological system: Partial Preterism and Postmillennialism.