Doug Wilson is a great man of God, however, he is wrong on this issue. The technology for the mark of the beast currently exists, RFID Chips, and quantum dotting. The global-"elite" desire a global government, and pandemics can be used to phase out paper money, under sanitary pretense. Then credit/debit cards will be made implantable, and mandatory by the antichrist. Our Lord, and Savior told us that no man knows the hour, He, and the Holy Spirit have also warned us about these times. Optimism is false hope. However, there is good news, Christ told us that He will accelerate the times for the sake of the elect.
@Dennis Yen I think that the common denominator that blinds the postmilers is optimism. Most people have an optimism bias, and it can be terrifying to understand how close we are. Your right about everything in your post, but I did not know that tensions between Israel, and Iran are worsening. The only news I follow is Ben Shapiro's free first hour on youtube. And not always. It is very depressing.
@@allisvanity...9161 Of course in Matthew 24, context is king! The days were cut short for the sake of the elect during the tribulation of 70AD. Matthew 24 is talking about the destruction of the temple, which occurred during the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD fulfilling Christ’s words that the generation alive during his ministry did not pass away before “those things” occurred. If you are interested, thebdocumentary “On Earth as it is in Heaven” is a well made and simple introduction in the Postmillennialism that Wilson holds to.
@@mikea.3972 I'll check it out, but Revelation still doesn't give us a timetable. You really should research RFID Chips, and quantum dotting. Revelation 13 takes on immediate relevance with that knowledge. God Bless!
The past year I have adhered to every single form of eschatology and now I am comfortable in my Postmil view. The word of God attests to this view but God used Doug in the process as well so I am thankful for you guys uploading so many things about eschatology! It has greatly impacted me. I have a lot of hope in the victory of Jesus Christ!
@@davidz9741 Oh yeah 100% it's not as encouraging to go into the world knowing you are going to lose. But Jesus is winning the nations back and because Jesus has authority in heaven and on earth I can know that we will succeed when evangelizing the world. It has really impacted the way I share the gospel and the way I think about the kingdom of God! Does that answer your question? I used the word adhere as to display me choosing an eschatological for some time based on what I was convicted of scripture. I bought Doug's "when the main comes around" and it was really helpful and as of right now I am Postmill. I could definitely see myself being Amill. 1 Thess is tough with Postmill. I still have more to learn. Even more than changing behavior knowing the kingdom of God continues to change my heart!
@@horrificpleasantry9474 I hope so! All forms of eschatology believe that Jesus wins. I wasn't trying to say that, I know you have much hope as I do brother! I have just learned more about what I think biblically the nature of that victory that Jesus secured on the cross looks like. It isn't an earthly kingdom sometime in the future but the gospel is a transformative force in the world NOW. I think premil people would agree with that but how it looks and plays out is completely different. The premil position is inherently pessimistic in the church age which is what I disagree with at the end of the day. Love you Brother!
@@Rotilda1 I think you're guilty of what you think I am. Is it not possible for God to be victorious without the church becoming the primary influence or earthly power in the world? Because the idea that God can't win unless conditions in the world look a certain way, that seems to be what postmils characterize premils as doing but are doing themselves
The “abomination of desolation” is the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by pagan Roman armies. Luke’s parallel account makes this clear. He takes Matthew’s Hebraic language and interprets it for his Gentile audience: “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is at hand” (Luke 21:20). He tells us what the abomination is: Jerusalem being surrounded by Roman armies for the purpose of decimating her temple. The Romans encircle Jerusalem on at least two occasions: under Vespasian in the initial siege and later under Titus not long before the Temple’s final destruction. Of Vespasian’s siege Josephus comments: “And now the war having gone through all the mountainous country, and all the plain country also, those that were at Jerusalem were deprived of the liberty of going out of the city; for as to such as had a mind to desert, they were watched by the zealots; and as to such as were not yet on the side of the Romans, their army kept them in, by encompassing the city round about on all sides.” (Jewish War 4:9:1 §490) He writes that later Titus builds “a wall round about the whole city” (Jewish War 5:12:1 §499). After the first surrounding, the Christians are to flee from Judea. In God’s providence, Vespasian withdraws from the siege when Nero dies; the Christians then had the opportunity to escape. The early church father Eusebius notes that: “The people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come thither from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men.” (Ecclesiastical History 3:5:3; cp. Matt 24:16; Epiphanius, Of Weights and Measures, 15)
I've been reading the bible New again since I started checking out 2 people; Michael Heiser and Gary DeMar. They are making me re-think what I was taught. They are forcing me to grow again. That's a good thing, and it gives me a new appreciation. I can say I'm no longer pre-mil because of them.
I became postmil about 6 months ago thanks to the likes of Jeff Durbin and Doug Wilson. Glad to say I’m no longer a dispensational premillenial any longer either haha
Three events pointing to Tribulation 2024-2031. 1) The star sign from Revelation 12 out of the bible occurred. (23 Sep 2017) 2) Daniel 69 weeks= 483yrs Ottoman Rebuild (1535-1541) 3) Israel born as a nation in Isaiah 66 occurred. (14 may 1948) All three signs actually happened. In Genesis 41 Joseph lets us know that there will be a 7 year warning before the 7 bad years happen. Rev12 star sign 2017 warning so that is when the 7 year warning starts add 7 years is 2024 when Tribulation starts making 2028 the middle. Daniel 9 Says Jerusalem will be restored in trouble! Under enemy rule counts Ottoman ruler rebuilt 1535-1541 the words for restore and rebuild can be understood as returned and rebuilt start or end. The early date has already passed rules it out for us now so we can use the later date add the 69 weeks aka 483years 1541 + 483 = 2024 Tribulation start! Tribulation is the last week adding up to 490 or the 70th week, 2024 Start + 7 year Tribulation = 2031 End. Psalm90 Is about the nation of Israel nation means people and country. In psalm 90 it says all our(Israel's) days are 70-80 years and then we flee Matt and Daniel in the Bible let us know Israel nation/people flee in the middle of the Tribulation so when they flee it is the middle not the end 1948 add 80 years is 2028 the Middle of the Tribulation. Third Day Pattern If we had realised the pattern of the third day arrival we would have known it was unlikely for Jesus to return before 2030-2033 as his work on the cross was done, the Church was born, and he left for heaven within the years 30-33AD giving a 3-4 year window for error as to his earliest arrival which effectively rules out any time before 2 days aka 2,000yrs are up giving us 2030-2033 as the earliest likely time of Jesus return. Genesis the Sun was created on the fourth day. -Jesus The Son was born into creation on the fourth day, third day from the fall. -Jesus the boy went missing - Found on the 3rd 24hr day. -Jesus the man dead found living on the 3rd 24hr day. One is, Two is a coincidence, Three is a pattern. How does 2 days = 2,000 years? A day is like A thousand years and A thousand years is like A day with God and from God's perspective this is Scale and Ratio like maps have. Below is 1,000 Years as days. 0-1,000 = Day 1 Adam falls 1,000-2,000 = Day 2 2,000-3,000 = Day 3 3,000-4,000 = Day 4 Jesus Arrives 4,000-5,000 = Day 5 5,000-6,000 = Day 6 6,000-7,000 = Day 7 Jesus Returns Tribulation is a harvest so follows the same pattern as a harvest.
First fruits- Earthly presentation to God at his temple of the first ripe = 144,000, Made Apostles same way as Paul. (remain in earth to work the harvest, Matthew 9:38 - Luke 10:2) Main body harvest- self explanatory, This is when the main body of the harvest is brought in and placed in a store house = Mid Trib Rapture of the body, Body goes up as or just after Devil and his angels come down. (Fullness of the Gentiles come in, Romans 11:25-26 - Isaiah 59:19-20) Gleanings- This is where the stranger in the land (devil) can come and take what they can from the owner of the harvest's (God) field (earth) once that time is passed the owner can come and collect the remaining remnant. Greek Harpazo just means taken by force, A removal from danger a person is about to be hit by a car and you Harpazo them you seize them from that danger and there is three different types of removal from danger. 1st type Enoch - Classic rapture view taken by God before death. 2nd type Noah - removed into a safe place but surrounded by danger, Ark, Bunkers, hidden in mountains. 3rd type Lot - Last second pushed out of the way of danger flee if you stop you will die. So you might be raptured but might not be raptured to heaven this is true for some and some are not removed from danger at all. I fully accept I can be wrong also, but Let's say I am wrong worse case some disappointment & life goes on but if I am right now you know and less likely to be tricked by the False Christ so really only upside in sharing. Objections: People might leave because you "set a date" - if my words that are unrelated to God's essence, being or salvation could cause people to stop believing in God than they didn't believe to start with. What about those seeking - If a Peron's claim could make them say this proves no God because that person got it wrong than that is an excuse because they never wanted to believe and if it wasn't this it would have been some other excuse. Conclusion: There is only upside in sharing and it is biblically supported Ezekiel 33:6 if you see danger than warn others. Matthew 24:44 Must keep watch for Jesus. Gal 1:10 A servant of Christ seeks God's approval not man's approval. John 13:34 Love one another as Jesus loved us - Jesus suffered, was disliked, he taught, he warned, he sacrificed, he cared and he did it for everyone even those who hated him.
Exactly. I can’t take anything seriously he says, but I respect him. He has a lot of explaining to do when the AntiChrist establishes himself here real soon.
I felt that way at one point... now I’m Postmil 😂 The harmony between Old Testament promises looking forward to the new covenant and Postmil eschatology is pretty amazing. Also, it seems like there is a more consistent interpretation method between normal theology and eschatology which I appreciate. Growing up Premil I always felt like there was a way to interpret most of scripture but then eschatology was an area all off on its own that was completely different.
@@UnlimitedMercy yea I mean I respect post mill and I think at the end of the day it’s hard to pin down one view since Scripture can be pretty open-ended. However for me, I can’t reconcile the post mill hinging idea that the thousand year reign of Christ is not needed because the Church advances the restoration of the state of the world through the preaching of the Gospel. The world is only getting darker and darker, even after all the ground early Church fathers and movements made in centuries past. There are less people claiming Christ, not more. The world is only getting more evil, not less. If we depend on the church to save the day we’re in trouble bc we are still humans and often times look like the world. We can’t even keep our divorce rates better than the world. Additionally, I refuse to submit to the idea that the Church and national Israel are synonymous. No thanks.
@@JD-rx2kh The darkness we see in our world was honestly one of the biggest hurdles for me too. I like the way Doug describes it, the churches progress through history is less like a rocket and more like climbing the Rockies, you’re going to go up and down sometimes move along the mountain sideways but your overall trajectory is toward the peak. Also, the Postmil position is that we are IN the thousand year reign of Christ - the 1000 years being symbolic for an extremely long period of time. It’s more of an Amil position to say it’s not necessary. With regard to the church and Israel I would say Paul is pretty clear when He says that not all Israel is truly Israel but the sons of promise. And in a different spot he says we (the church) belong to the Israel from above. Essentially He’s saying God has one chosen people - believing Israel - the Gentile believers like myself have been grafted into that. Those who reject Yahweh and His messiah were never part of the true, spiritual Israel even if they’re Jewish by birth. Why do you find it so necessary to separate them and have 2 different entities that God works differently in? < I know tone doesn’t come through in text, this is a genuine question, I want to understand why you were so firm on that point.
@@UnlimitedMercy so when I say that post mill believes the thousand year reign of Christ on earth in person is not necessary I mean in the sense that post mill seems to think the church can take care of it therefore it’s not necessary for Christ to come down. I understand the differences between the mills. I’m firm on pre mill bc the Bible uses literal language regarding the millennial reign of Christ. It nowhere says “a really long time,” it says 1,000 years. Also it never says through the church he’ll reign, it says “in Jerusalem.” Basically, post mill takes literal language and makes it figurative to fit their belief system. The same goes for the church and Israel being synonymous. Paul states in Romans that God is not done with national Israel and that the gentiles are wild branches that are grafted in, they’re not the same olive branches which are Israel. Also, Paul asks the question (paraphrased), If God didn’t spare his own people why would he spare the gentile? The context there is the Gentile Christians which are part of the church. Again, it’s taking literal Bible language and making it figurative. The hermeneutics between historical- grammatical (pre mill) and non-literal (post mill) is the biggest hurdle for me.
“He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field. It is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is larger than all the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.” He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.”” Matthew 13:31-33 ESV
Take a look at the world around you, Doug. We aren’t moving towards worldwide Christian ethics. We’re moving away from them. People aren’t getting better, they are getting worse. Maybe one day when the trib actually happens you’ll change your mind.
My friend. Have you been out in the nations preaching the gospel making disciples? Do you not see that some of the worlds most powerful nations like China are turning to Jesus on track to being a Christian nation by 2028! How about Iran and Afghanistan? The church is exploding in the midst of persecution! The Lord is on the move all over the earth! I see it myself being a missionary all over the world in particular the Middle East and Asia. In the midst of chaos, God is reconciling the nations and you watch and see what happens on certain places in America. When darkness comes upon America we’re are going to see great revival in the midst of it. Persevere my friend. Keep you me hand on the plow. And starting building the kingdom. And if the world is getting worse, it’s not because evil is overcoming, it’s because the church is passive waiting around rather than being the true church like we see in the 1st century. Go and make disciples my friend teaching the nations to obey. We have a lot of work to do. Let’s get busy my brother!
@@zacharycorral1318 I meant to ask if what you believe is true what about Roman Catholicism? Rome is an apostate church what will become of her ? Will she repent of her false teachings, will she be somehow destroyed?
I’m starting to find the “already not yet” eschatology compelling: Most everything was fulfilled in AD 70. However, just as a foreshadowing. The consummation of all things could be soon. Hopefully. 🤷🏽♂️
Macarthur, a reformed premillennial, would say that the prophecies are "telescoping," and there's much evidence of this in the OT prophecies: some elements are fulfilled early on while others are separated by hundreds or thousands of years. Then there's also the fact that some so called "fulfilments" are typological. They are not the true and final fulfillment, they are a shadow, or a prelude. For example, the jews living in Israel now are significant, but they're not a fulfillment of any specific prophecy. Political Israel is not the national Israel of the Bible. But it does seem to set up the possibility of future fulfilments which imply that all the Jews are living in Israel.
How do postm justify biblical historians who date the Book of Revelation at early 90’s and claim the prophecy of the destruction of the Temple at 70 A.D.? It saddens me when the majority of postmil just say, “well, it’s what I believe?” Picking and choosing certain interpretations based on “what I believe”, doesn’t fill me with confidence.
@@travis6694 Christians debate premillennial, amillennial, and postmillennial eschatology -- shortened to premil, amil, and postmil. Just word play with a few of the crotch crowd's gender identities -- cis, trans and non-binary -- and also the human need to come up with drop-dead-certain categories. I'm intentionally committing blasphemy against their oh-so-serious sexual nonsense. Kidding aside -- and eschatologically speaking -- I lean post-mil, but I've occasionally been known to exhibit mil-fluid tendencies ...
@@travis6694 the Bible teaches Jesus will reign on earth for a "millennium." The pre, a, and post prefixes refer to where in relation to millennium Jesus bodily returns to earth. Premil says Jesus returns and then rules bodily from jerusalem for a thousand years. Postmil says the millennium began at pentecost and we're in it now, conquering and subduing the world for Christ through the church, and after we are victorious through him, he will return to earth and usher in the eternal state (no sin). Amil sees the millennium as allegorical.. The a- means "not," as in, simplistically, there's no millennium. It didn't happen in the past, we're not in it now, and there won't be a literal one in the future. Jesus will return at some point in the future and usher in the eternal state and it's got nothing to do with the political situation on earth at the time.
I'm a classical premil yet I agree with everything that is presented here. I've recently been called a functional postmill. Lol I just think the revelation and Matthew 24 stuff is yet to come.
Have to agree - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that things are heading in a certain direction. That certain direction just so happens to be sliding along the path of Revelation ;)
@@TheB1nary you may be interested to know that The Matthew 24 stuff like the sun and moon and stars going dark already happened once before Jesus’ birth
@@TheB1nary How many times does it have to slip into the revelations? How far will this generation be expanded? It seems that the premipremillennialism view nonsense is being shaken.
#1 Reason why I'm not Amil or Postmil Revelation 19:17-21 describes the beast and false prophet being captured and thrown into the lake for fire prior to the Millennium in Rev 20. After the Millennium the devil is described as been thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are Rev 20:10 Therefore if we are in the Millennium age then the beast and false prophet are currently in the lake of fire. This can't be the case as Paul describes the revealing of the man of sin (the beast) to be a future event, who is destroyed by the coming of Christ 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
What is the difference, if any, between an optimistic Amill, and a Post-Mill who doesn't think the millennium is necessarily a literal 1000 year period?
I wonder about that as well; if there is any scholarly category or some such. I suspect it varies by person. I see it primarily as a question about the kingdom and the timing of Christ's return, not about the length of time the kingdom lasts. Thus I always considered the "millennial" part as the least important part; I believe that Christ will return after the fulfillment of the (millennial) kingdom, hence a Post-(millennial) kingdom return of Christ. Fleshing this out in broad strokes, there are two major positions, a Pre-(millennial) kingdom return and a Post-(millennial) kingdom return. The two main theories in each of those camps are Premillennialism and Dispensationalism for the former, and Postmillennialism and amillennialism for the latter. So between A- and Post-, I see it as whether we see the Church as the kingdom of God and believe the promises that God will grow his kingdom not of this world from the tiny pebble it started from to the great mountain that fills all the earth (Postmillennialism), or whether one denies that the Church is God's kingdom and so our human institutions will eventually fail and God needs to bail us out (Amillennialism). There are two groups within Postmillennialism, there those who take the 1000 years literally, and those like me that take it as a literary way of saying "a really long time" or "forever" / "eternal". I think too much is made about the single verse that says the kingdom will exist for 1000 years and see the important bit as the ultimate success or failure of the Church in this world. Thus, in my mind, "optimistic" Amillennialism doesn't exist, that's just Postmillennialism. My friend who calls himself an optimistic Amill attaches more weight to the "millennial" part and it is the literal 1000 years that he is skeptical of (as I am). So I just tell him he's Postmill and he tells me I am optimistic Amill, and we agree to disagree. :) Ultimately it comes down to the semantics of our preferred label.
I think the main difference between Amil of any flavor and Post-Mill is the location of the throne. Amills, if I am getting this right, believe Christ is reigning now from Heaven, but not on Earth. Postmills are more, "All authority in Heaven AND on Earth is mine. Go, therefore..." So, if Christ is reigning right now on Earth as in Heaven, what does this entail about His return? 1 Corinthians 15:23-28 is the passage that turned a 20 year dispensational premil into a postmil. Christ must reign until His enemies are made His footstool. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. After this He returns and "then comes the end, when He delivers up the Kingdom to the Father," in essence fulfilling what the first Adam failed to do. When the end is described as Christ offering up a completed Kingdom to the Father, this leaves little room for a thousand years. In Isaiah 65, it talks of the New Heavens and New Earth as still having age, curse, and death. But we saw in 1 Corinthians 15 that death is defeated, Christ returns, and then comes the end. Postmils, therefore, believe that as the Christian is a New Creation in Christ, progressively coming more and more under Christ's dominion, we also believe the Earth also is a New Creation, progressively coming more and more under Christ's dominion.
Three events pointing to Tribulation 2024-2031. 1) The star sign from Revelation 12 out of the bible occurred. (23 Sep 2017) 2) Daniel 69 weeks= 483yrs Ottoman Rebuild (1535-1541) 3) Israel born as a nation in Isaiah 66 occurred. (14 may 1948) All three signs actually happened. In Genesis 41 Joseph lets us know that there will be a 7 year warning before the 7 bad years happen. Rev12 star sign 2017 warning so that is when the 7 year warning starts add 7 years is 2024 when Tribulation starts making 2028 the middle. Daniel 9 Says Jerusalem will be restored in trouble! Under enemy rule counts Ottoman ruler rebuilt 1535-1541 the words for restore and rebuild can be understood as returned and rebuilt start or end. The early date has already passed rules it out for us now so we can use the later date add the 69 weeks aka 483years 1541 + 483 = 2024 Tribulation start! Tribulation is the last week adding up to 490 or the 70th week, 2024 Start + 7 year Tribulation = 2031 End. Psalm90 Is about the nation of Israel nation means people and country. In psalm 90 it says all our(Israel's) days are 70-80 years and then we flee Matt and Daniel in the Bible let us know Israel nation/people flee in the middle of the Tribulation so when they flee it is the middle not the end 1948 add 80 years is 2028 the Middle of the Tribulation. Third Day Pattern If we had realised the pattern of the third day arrival we would have known it was unlikely for Jesus to return before 2030-2033 as his work on the cross was done, the Church was born, and he left for heaven within the years 30-33AD giving a 3-4 year window for error as to his earliest arrival which effectively rules out any time before 2 days aka 2,000yrs are up giving us 2030-2033 as the earliest likely time of Jesus return. Genesis the Sun was created on the fourth day. -Jesus The Son was born into creation on the fourth day, third day from the fall. -Jesus the boy went missing - Found on the 3rd 24hr day. -Jesus the man dead found living on the 3rd 24hr day. One is, Two is a coincidence, Three is a pattern. How does 2 days = 2,000 years? A day is like A thousand years and A thousand years is like A day with God and from God's perspective this is Scale and Ratio like maps have. Below is 1,000 Years as days. 0-1,000 = Day 1 Adam falls 1,000-2,000 = Day 2 2,000-3,000 = Day 3 3,000-4,000 = Day 4 Jesus Arrives 4,000-5,000 = Day 5 5,000-6,000 = Day 6 6,000-7,000 = Day 7 Jesus Returns Tribulation is a harvest so follows the same pattern as a harvest.
First fruits- Earthly presentation to God at his temple of the first ripe = 144,000, Made Apostles same way as Paul. (remain in earth to work the harvest, Matthew 9:38 - Luke 10:2) Main body harvest- self explanatory, This is when the main body of the harvest is brought in and placed in a store house = Mid Trib Rapture of the body, Body goes up as or just after Devil and his angels come down. (Fullness of the Gentiles come in, Romans 11:25-26 - Isaiah 59:19-20) Gleanings- This is where the stranger in the land (devil) can come and take what they can from the owner of the harvest's (God) field (earth) once that time is passed the owner can come and collect the remaining remnant. Greek Harpazo just means taken by force, A removal from danger a person is about to be hit by a car and you Harpazo them you seize them from that danger and there is three different types of removal from danger. 1st type Enoch - Classic rapture view taken by God before death. 2nd type Noah - removed into a safe place but surrounded by danger, Ark, Bunkers, hidden in mountains. 3rd type Lot - Last second pushed out of the way of danger flee if you stop you will die. So you might be raptured but might not be raptured to heaven this is true for some and some are not removed from danger at all. I fully accept I can be wrong also, but Let's say I am wrong worse case some disappointment & life goes on but if I am right now you know and less likely to be tricked by the False Christ so really only upside in sharing. Objections: People might leave because you "set a date" - if my words that are unrelated to God's essence, being or salvation could cause people to stop believing in God than they didn't believe to start with. What about those seeking - If a Peron's claim could make them say this proves no God because that person got it wrong than that is an excuse because they never wanted to believe and if it wasn't this it would have been some other excuse. Conclusion: There is only upside in sharing and it is biblically supported Ezekiel 33:6 if you see danger than warn others. Matthew 24:44 Must keep watch for Jesus. Gal 1:10 A servant of Christ seeks God's approval not man's approval. John 13:34 Love one another as Jesus loved us - Jesus suffered, was disliked, he taught, he warned, he sacrificed, he cared and he did it for everyone even those who hated him.
It is obviously a rhetorical question and the answer is "yes", so the real question is "why does the Bible ask will He find faith on the earth when He returns if post mill is false?"
Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
even people in heaven is hated by people in hell,does it mean the world will never get better even when heaven finally united with earth in the new heaven and earth?
@@ManlyServant IN Matthew 24 Christ explained when the Son of man returns it will be as was the days of Noah. We are the salt of the earth that will slow down the decay but not stop it. Wicked men grow like weeds and the system of the world is in the hands of the wicked one. Job 9:24 the world was given to the wicked.
One of the problems that I have with both the postmil and amil positions is their insistence on the binding of Satan as a present reality... Both positions demand that Satan is both bound and sealed in the Abyss right now, and yet there are numerous scriptures that describe Satan as being quite active in the world today, so I can't buy them as positions that deal completely honestly with the texts. Some great books on the subject that I've been reading during quarantine... "Revelation, An Exegetical Commentary," by Robert L. Thomas "Revelation 20 and the Millennial Debate," by Matthew Waymeyer "Christ's Prophetic Plans," by John MacArthur and Richard Mayhue "The Second Coming," by John MacArthur "Because the Time is Near," by John MacArthur and as a bonus... "Ancient Dispensational Truth," by James C. Morris "Dispensationalism Before Darby," by William C. Watson "Rediscovered Early Church Premillennialism," by Robert Franklin
I always understood it as satan and the original fallen angels were the ones roaming around on earth but in the 2nd heaven. I didn’t know people thought satan was bound as of now?
The fact that demonic possession/oppression is still taking place should be enough of an alert to both amill and postmill. Honestly, i dont doubt that satan would love it if christians thought he wasnt a problem. Sounds like a deception to me.
I don't get post mil. During the millennial reign of Christ, 1st Christ will be here, 2nd the sun and moon will be altered, 3rd the heavens will be gone. And to continue, David would be regent over Israel, if a person dies at 100 its as if they died as a child, and believers would be in resurrected bodies. That's what I'm expecting the millennial reign to be like, pretty much what is in the Bible.
what is your question? this is the promise of God fulfilled, He will be their God and they will be His people. God will judge the people who ransacked Israel and people of all tongues, tribes, and nations will come to worship God in His chosen city Jerusalem. this is happening today in a sense like Micah 4 as the Church is obeying the Law of God and is making Israel jealous.
@@whotookjimirocket thanks for the reply. How would you explain this verse? This 70AD? Zec 14:2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
@@zacharybeauford2244 curious actually, not 100% sure and i'm going to enjoy studying Zech, Dan, Rev, Thess etc side by side eventually. 14:2 sounds kinda like the 7 year period. it could've been 70 AD but then i've heard from a handful separate sources about the 'already not yet' concept. ch 14 in general seems very close to the ebd to me like Armageddon/1000 year deal. i've not joined pre- or postmil and have just begun to look into eschatology. it's an interesting subject
@@whotookjimirocket I’ve been studying it for a couple years now. I started as a futurist premil but after I started studying for myself I quickly realized that view was untenable. I still have much to learn but certainly am leaning heavily towards partial preterist postmil.
The phrase “keep you from” in Rev. 3:10 is “tereo se ek” in Greek. Tereo appears 75 times in the Bible and is translated “keep” 57 of those. “Se” means “you”, and “ek”which is translated “from” in Rev. 3:10 is often translated “out of”. It literally means to be out of both the time and place of the event it concerns. Therefore it’s correct to say that the Lord will keep the Church out of the time and place of the hour of trial being referenced in Rev. 3:10. This translation makes Rev. 3:10 agree with 1 Thes. 1:10 where Paul said the Lord will rescue (deliver) the church from the wrath to come. John 17:15 is part of a prayer that begins in John 17:6 and continues through John 17:19. Jesus was offering it on behalf of His disciples who were there with Him on the night of His arrest. Some try to use this verse as an argument against the pre-Trib rapture. But to do so, they have to change both the purpose and scope of His prayer, which was to seek divine protection from Satan for His disciples.
You either read scripture as Christ is coming and will literally reign on earth for a thousand years, premil or you read scripture to say we are in that thousand years and as time moves toward Christ's return, Christian values will begin to reign in the world and the Christ will return, postmil. And or somewhere between, yet none of it is salvation based meaning all you need to stress is the Gospel. Study and pray about it. Much love friend Jesus Christ is King...is, was and will be!
@@rayortiz6189 LOL ignorance of history? you need to get your church *history* knowledge up and learn that historic premil has been held by multiple church fathers.
How about the possibility that whether you are a pre-mil or a post-mil, the answer for you specifically might be what you believe? In other words, maybe some or all of the broken, contrite, and penitent will be saved, as Noah or Lot, while those who want to stay here and perform all of the works and miracles of a post-mil, shaping this world, get to do that. We are the fruit of the tree of this world and an attachment to this world. This shaking is to get as many fruit to fall from the tree during this harvest. Then more shaking, and more harvest. I have a feeling that Doug might come to a point where he might wish that he had shaken loose from the tree during this harvest.
ruclips.net/video/Ys6_Th7rvW0/видео.html This is another video from Doug Wilson with a brief explanation of Postmillenialism. I’ve come to believe that it is the most consistent way to interpret old and New Testament prophecy. I grew up Dispensational Premil and struggled with the inconsistency in the way biblical interpretation was practiced. It seemed there was a disconnect between normal interpretation and prophecy. I want to interpret the Bible in a consistent manner and I see the Postmil position doing that.
@Dennis Yen Postmil says the “end times” was the end of the age, the age of Old Testament Judaism. It is a partial preterist position meaning the beast of revelation was the Roman Empire and the Harlot was 1st century Israel, the social gospel is definitely not what reformed Postmil pastors preach. They preach salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. I highly recommend the video link I posted previously. It is a very concise explanation of Postmil eschatology and actually explains the natural interpretation of scripture verses a wooden overly literal interpretation. That isn’t “spiritualization” it’s taking the text as it’s presented. When Jesus says he’s the Door we don’t look for a doorknob...
@Dennis Yen To be clear, I don’t believe the great tribulation is yet future but it is a description of the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem in 70ad. It was future to Jesus in Matt 24 and future to John as he wrote the book of Revelation but it is past to us.
@Dennis Yen Rick Warren is also not a reformed preacher. I don’t know the groups Joel’s Army or Latter Rain that last one sounds like New Apostolic Reformation type stuff to me. Just to clarify, when I say Postmil or Postmillenial I’m not talking about Seven Mountains Theology or anything like that. I’m talking classical, historic, Postmillenialism. I do believe we’re in the millennial reign of Christ now and it will be fully consummated at the last day when He returns and defeats the last enemy which is death. I take Him at His word when He says, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me...” He has been given all authority on earth, not just in heaven.
The millennial mentioned in Rev. 20 is not referring to the final return of Christ in his Glory. It is symbolic of Christ reigning now through the Church along with the saints, both dead and alive. The first paragraph tells us that Satan will be prevented from deceiving the nations during this time, but he is still allowed to roam the Earth. He has not been thrown into the lake of fire! There is no way that Christ in his Glory will allow Satan to roam the earth when he returns! When Christ returns, Satan will be in hell!
@Caleb P I didn't say that Christ reigning now through the Church is symbolic. He is literally reigning now through the Church. I said the passage in revelation is symbolic of that fact. Just like Satan isn't literally bound with chains(the chains are symbolic) but he is prevented now from deceiving the nations, which is literal.
Victoria Koerber When the millennium starts Satan will be bound and thrown into a bottomless pit for 1000 years. He will be released for a short time to gather an army to go to war against Christ one last time at the battle if Armageddon. Then he will be thrown into Hell forever .
Then you should drop your Star of David logo. The premil view understands that all the promises (covenants) God made with Israel will be fulfilled literally and on earth. To deny that is to deny the Old Testament and the promises to God's chosen people.
@@yayforeals, Exactly. The premil view understands prophecy is all about Israel. The postmil view tries to replace blessings to Israel and gives them to the church. Hold a postmil view if you want, but promoting the star of David is an oxymoron for a postmil view.
@@xapie128 Yeah... "Replace" in the same way Paul does when he says the promises weren't to an ethnic people but to a spiritual people, a people to whom the natural branches were cut out and wild branches grafted in, per Romans 9-11. The people actually trying to replace snythinh are those premil who deny Paul's clear teaching and try to make those promises a race based things despite how clear Paul and the rest of the OT and NT are.
@@GojoTheHonoredOne9 Yeah, that’s what I thought for most of my 45 years of life... until I read through the entire Bible last year and got hung up in the prophets, asking God to help me understand the purpose of these books for me and anyone else who has existed in the last 2000 years... especially if their warnings were intended only for one generation of a very unclear, unspecified time period as I’d always been taught. And I came to realize, in spite of what I had heard my whole life, but could never make any sense of, all those prophets were warning Israel to repent or receive her just rewards. She never did. She rejected her Messiah, and continued pursuing salvation through the Law, apart from Christ, outside of His grace. And she got everything God said she would get - judgment and destruction. Exactly like the prophets and Jesus foretold (“this generation shall not pass...” 70AD - utter devastation - old things are passed away!) Exactly what historians of the first century witnessed and recorded. Exactly as John the Revelator recapitulated for the Church - “things which must shortly take place!”
Newspaper exegesis is not biblical exegesis. The Bible promises that the Gospel kingdom will expand and expand and it will do so according to God's good pleasure and purpose.
Reading the paper and matching prophecies, uh. What do make of Christ warning the Pharisees of His day with the admonition that they were blind to the signs of the times? Can we assume that if there was a ‘newspaper’ in their day, He may have pointing to the events surrounding the world and His prophesied 1st Coming? Why could the Lord not do the same thing with warming us about the state of the World before His second coming? Just asking!
no thank you. the church is the bride of Christ. we are taught how to treat our bride. the wrath of the Father is never poured on the bride. also, He that restrains, restrains no longer in order for the man of sin to be revealed. you want to be here without the Spirit restraining? wow. the timing of the Church is about to come to a close. in revelations, determine how many times and where the Church is referenced.
Another problem with the Post millennial view is that, as is said in this video, Christ is ruling NOW. But Revelation 11 has the two witnesses being killed and then raised to life after three and a half days. And it says their enemies will SEE them ascend into Heaven. Then you have a great earthquake in Jerusalem that kills 7000 people. Then the seventh trumpet sounds and NOW it says, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” (notice the kingdoms of the world don't become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ UNTIL the seventh trumpet is sounded. Surely you don't think the 7th trumpet is at the very beginning of this spiritual millennial reign?") 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: “We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” This says the time of Judgment has come for the wicked and the time of reward for the prophets and the saints. I'm sorry, all this has NOT happened even yet, let alone in the first century.
@@sinnersaved1033 So, the Millennial reign lasted forty years and Satan's "little season" has lasted almost 2 thousand years? Go back and Re-read Revelation.
@@MB777-qr2xv nope I didn't say that. You should ask to understand. It's not good to insinuate that your fellow brother needs to read more because if he knows something different than you he must be wrong. That's not what we should do my friend. Are you aware of what satans little season is?
@@sinnersaved1033 Revelation 20:7 says, When the thousand years has ended, Satan shall be released from his prison, 8 and he shall come out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for the battle. Their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the beloved city-but fire fell from heaven and consumed them." Satan's "little season" is when He is released from the pit at the END of the THOUSAND years. Why would God say a thousand years, when He really meant forty years? I know, "it's a metaphor." Metaphors have to make at least some metaphorical sense. Like Jesus being the bread of life. The metaphorical meaning is this: just like bread gives us physical nourishment, Jesus gives us spiritual nourishment. BUT in what sense does 1000 metaphorically represent forty. If we go back to Revelation 20:1-3 it says, "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon-the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan-and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He also threw him into the abyss and locked and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed. After these things, he must be released for A SHORT WHILE (or little season) My question is WHEN was "Satan bound so as to NOT deceive the nations until the THOUSAND YEARS were completed?" There has NOT been any time in recorded history where Satan was NOT deceiving the nations. There has NOT been a time when we have NOT had false religions, atheism, murder rape, thievery, child sacrifice or child molestation, drugs, drinking etc. In other words, Satan from day one in the Garden has been busy deceiving the nations into all manner of sin against our Holy God. There has NOT yet been this time when we are not being deceived by the Devil and are living as God has called us to live. 2 Peter 3:13 says, "Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells." We have not EVER (at least since BEFORE Adam and Eve sinned) had this promised existence where righteousness reigns. We have NOT had a world where there is NO longer any crying, no MORE sorrow, no MORE pain, no MORE death. This MUST be future. Again, I am NOT saying no prophecy has been fulfilled, just not every prophecy. Again, do you and I and every Christian alive today have a body like Christ's that will not be subject to corruption or decay and will live forever? Answer: NO! 2 Corinthians 5:1-10 says, "For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3 For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. 4 While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it’s NOT that we want to die and GET RID OF THESE BODIES that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our NEW BODIES so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. 5 God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit." Living Translation. On a final note, you said, "You should ask to understand." What do YOU mean by the thousand-year reign? When did that occur? How long did it last? When did Satan's little season start? When will it be over? Are you as a Preterist saying ALL PROPHECY has been fulfilled and there is NOTHING left to be fulfilled?
Serious questions: Is the origin of Postmillennial thought from Joachim of Fiore? Are there any references in early church history? Is the orthodox view Amillennialism which was primarily promoted by Augustine?
I would honestly say the modern postmillennialism is almost exactly the same as Augustinian amillennialism. It's really a matter of optimism, which seems to be found in Augustine, Calvin, etc. In many ways, I think the differentiation at this point is rather odd, considering that modern postmillennials (besides the optimism) hold to a very different form of eschatology than the Puritans, who were historicists, holding to a thousand year period in the future. Amillennialism is definitely the orthodox view and the view held by almost all postmillennialists today, with the only major difference being a matter of optimism.
I do not know what I believe about eschatology even though I’ve read a lot, I will say it’s the wrong question to look at the world around you and then make a judgment about what God’s word says. Post millennialism just like any other eschatology stands or falls on the word of God not just looking at the world around you.
That's a mis-use of the 'shaken' teaching in Hebrews 12. That which could be shaken referred to the old covenant initiated under Moses; that which cannot be shaken is the Kingdom Jesus initiated. We hold onto that unshakeable Kingdom by grace (verses 25-29).
That is the great commission, nothing about that passage says or even eludes to Jesus saying "establish 99.9% of the kingdom of heaven on earth, then ill come back and finish up the rest." Post millenialsim doesn't work for the simple fact that man is SINFUL AND WICKED! and sinful and wicked men will never succeed in establishing heaven on earth. ONLY God can do that. Pist millenialism almost sounds like a "if we work REALLY HARD well finally make this place clean and Holy enough for God to come dwell with us" type of eschatology. It focuses on man doing rather than God doing.
Did the interviewer actually just imply that the only way you could be premillennial or amillennial is that you put the news before the bible? That’s little more than and ad hominem attack. There are people faithfully sat under the teaching of the bible who are trying to sit under its authority and get things wrong in their understanding (all Christians to a greater or lesser extent). Let’s not be glib for the sake of expedience.
_"There are people faithfully sat under the teaching of the bible who are trying to sit under its authority and get things wrong in their understanding (all Christians to a greater or lesser extent)."_ Yeah, so? They got this wrong; big deal. And they are free to say Postmill got this wrong. As Christians, can we please stop acting like the world and getting offended by every little thing? Sheesh! Learn to disagree in love instead of demanding that everyone else hide their opinions if you disagree with it.
@@oracleoftroy Not meant with any lack of love brother but it seems to me that you’re doing exactly the thing that you’re trying to rebuke me for. If it’s wrong for me to criticise their stated position why is it ok for you to criticise mine?
@@iknowyourerightbut4986 I know, it seems like a lot of people are offering postmil due to being reactionary towards weird IFBs or pentecostals who happen to be premil. But their argumentation is like Catholic argumentation against protestantism -- not valid
@@iknowyourerightbut4986 You seem to miss that you are the one holding to a standard that says disagreement with others should not happen. I think we can disagree in love and not take offense over disagreement, hence why there is obviously no contradiction on my part for rebuking you. Trying to impute your position on me is dishonest. I explicitly said both sides are free to call out each other where they think they got is wrong. Why are you pretending like I didn't?
I realize we cannot interpret scripture literally in certain areas where its symbolism. But at the same time describing an cataclysmic universal event as the fall of a city or a nation is really dramatically putting it.
@@TheDareD3vil well in Revelations it talks about the sun scorching the Earth. Just think about that for a minute. Interpreted literally could be very terrifying. In the Book of Luke it talks about men's hearts failing them for fear. It may be symbolism but its symbolism of something very terrifying.
It is one of the three main millennial positions. Postmillenial means that one (as I do) believes that we are in the millennial reign of Christ right now and that His second coming is after the Millennium. Most people nowadays are premillenials meaning they believe Jesus’s second coming will be before a literal thousand year earthly reign of Christ. These positions come from Revelation 20 and are quite complicated. However they are super interesting! I encourage you to study all the eschatological positions objectively. Doug Wilson and Jeff durbin are great teachers and explain postmillenialism very well. I’d also encourage you to watch the RUclips documentary “on earth as it is in heaven”. It describes postmil very well.
Postmillennialists are Preterist and that causes some BIG issues (problems) with the scriptures. So, then they come up with the term partial Preterist and cherry pick scriptures applying some texts to 70 ad and others not. They are just as disingenuous as the dispensationalists there are huge scriptural issues with both interpretations that MUST addressed and neither of them can it do to my satisfaction.
@@oracleoftroy this is where my having no idea what pre or post mill comes in. I just meant the part about God reminding us that He controls the world by shaking up our complacency. As to the other question, Judaism at least has different views on what will happen before the Messiah comes and if the Messiah can sooner through our action and what those actions might be (doing more mitsvot or moving to Israel en masse, establishing a state, and perhaps even rebuilding temple).
@Travis F the Bible teaches Jesus will reign on earth for a "millennium." The pre, a, and post prefixes refer to where in relation to millennium Jesus bodily returns to earth. Premil says Jesus returns and then rules bodily from jerusalem for a thousand years. Postmil says the millennium began at pentecost and we're in it now, conquering and subduing the world for Christ through the church, and after we are victorious through him, he will return to earth and usher in the eternal state (no sin). Amil sees the millennium as allegorical.. The a- means "not," as in, simplistically, there's no millennium. It didn't happen in the past, we're not in it now, and there won't be a literal one in the future. Jesus will return at some point in the future and usher in the eternal state and it's got nothing to do with the political situation on earth at the time.
@@horrificpleasantry9474 Thanks! Ours is 6,000 years since Creation. But can come earlier depending on our actions. Followed by 1,000 years of "Sabbath." Unclear what that means exactly seeing as we can't cook on the Sabbath. ;)
@@davidz9741 my easy answer is that it's a wrong belief. But actually it wouldn't be wrong - I have to be fair - because it calls it a sabbath. Because in the OT every 7th and 50th year was supposed to be a sabbath year/year of jubilee where the israelites were not to plant any crops, and in years of jubilee were to return land to the tribe of original settlement in canaan. But the reason why a 1000 year sabbath rest for the land has to be wrong, then, is that the 70 year babylonian captivity was already a sabbath for the land. The israelites had not observed the sabbaths, so God gave the land rest by removing the Jews for the time they had not observed the practice, as a catch-up. Since there have not been 1,000/8*50 = ~6,000 years of unobserved sabbaths, which is longer than the israelites could ever have been in canaan. The whole point of WHY God would enforce a sabbath on the land does not make sense with the expectation of a 1,000 year one. I'd like to recommend the online article "the impossible faith" on the website "tektonics," for a thorough argument for how we in the 21st century, without needing access to obscure historical documents or artifacts, can know that Jesus was resurrected. This is the crux of the entire faith, no pun intended. It's worth it to know the strongest version of an opposing position. Hopefully it will also change your mind. But at least it will be important knowledge.
Christ said that the end days shall be as the days of Noah: one shall be taken, another left. So no world-wide righteousness, which is naive to say the least.
Jesus: I go to prepare a place for you (John 14:3) Post Mil: We will prepare a place for you Question: When we read scripture, is the return of Jesus described as a peaceful transition of power and authority to Jesus at His return from believers who have obeyed the Great Commission and have "Christianized" the world, or do we read of the return of Jesus as a violent and bloody event (Zech 24, Rev 19) ??
He goes, but sends the Spirit. He says to pray that his kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. It’s really not about the transition to the new heavens and earth not being troubled, which is located at Zachariah 14 and Rev. 20:9-15. It will be troubled, but that comes after the present age, in which Israel is renewed unto Christ and has peace (Ezk. 38). Jesus won’t come until Israel says blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord (Mat 23:38, Acts 3:19). Things have to look up before they look down.
@@gusshredney1491, very true. His kingdom is not of this world, but it has been sent into this world. We do not fight according to the means of this world, outside in, but inside out. As Paul says we are ambassadors, but the conflict is in this world for the pulling down of principalities and powers. To say “his kingdom is not of this world” without also saying “may his kingdom come” in this world, is to hold his kingdom too far off. It is here, in our hearts and between our hands.
While Dr. Wilson is correct that many more civilizations could rise and fall that doesn't make a positive case for his position but a theoretical one. Is Dr. Wilson not dispensing with a lot of straw men in most of his reasoning? Is the silliness of wearing a mask outside while distant from others really the same as desiring to love ones neighbor by wearing a mask (as doctors do to protect patients) and social distancing? Isn't a willingness to suffer minor inconvenience for the good of others acceptable?
Is it better to do meaningless things that don't actually help to show virtue no one would notice otherwise, or to actually focus on things that help? Masks might help if we all used N95 masks and never ever ever touched them, but no one, absolutely no one actually properly follows the procedures when wearing a mask. So they collect lot of bacteria on the mask which they are constantly touching to adjust, getting a concentrated dose on their hands which they then use to touch everything else. That's in part why the data between states and countries that did and did not impose a mask mandate are within the margin of error of difference in terms of effectiveness. More people should be interested in following the actual data than demanding we do meaningless gestures to pretend to have virtue while we hurt people socially, economically, and a host of other deadlier ways.
We've all seen the well meaning guy with his mask under his nose or covering only their chins but that's not the majority. Results from willingly mask wearing countries is much better than those who are more reluctant. While we should investigate questions of how well a solution, such as wearing masks, works we should also be willing to deal with the results. www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent provides a good discussion of the testing and benefits. While it's possible that the nasal tests only work in the lab and that reduced infection rates in various countries that started wearing masks were due to coincidence it's not the most likely explanation. In the meantime the best evidence we have is that (on average) wearing a mask helps me a little and people around me a lot. I can do this little thing for my neighbor. Soldiers and civilians did it in the Spanish Flu epidemic and it helped then. Today we have better masks.
So what about wicked men will wax worse and worse? What about this beast and his false prophet, what about the time of Jacob's trouble, a time unequaled in all human history? The Bible seems.to indicate strongly that the world will get worse and worse, darker and darker, and that even.the saints are allowed to be conquered for a time.before Jesus himself returns and establishes his kingdom. I'm sorry but if the church is supposed to create this utopia on earth before Jesus returns it's failing MISERABLY! Post mil makes absolutely no sense to me
Brethren! There is ONE Gospel, this is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God (YHWH)! The Kingdom of God (YHWH) is the new world to come, inaugurated by Jesus (יהושע) at his return to Earth. This was the kingdom prophesied in the OT. Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God (YHWH), And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God (YHWH) is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Mark 1:14-15 KJV The New Testament record relates the content of the apostolic message as “the things concerning the Kingdom of God (Yahuwah)and Jesus (יהושע) Christ.” When Philip went into Samaria and “I preached Christ to them,” what they heard and believed is stated in this way: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God (Yahuwah), and the name of Jesus (יהושע) Christ, they were being baptized, both men and women” Acts 8:5, 12 Believing in יהושע is a vital part of this, but his death burial and resurrection are only a segment of the overall Gospel. יהושע loved the Law and obeyed it, he only spoke and did what YHWH commanded. He is our example and our messiah! Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14 www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/believing-yahushuas-gospel.html www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/the-one-gospel.html www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/preaching-the-gospel.html Truth about the ‘Trinity’; www.trinityexamined.com/john-1-and-the-trinity/ www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/a-letter-from-the-lord-yahushua.html About Gods real name; ruclips.net/video/q2I8HmB2Aew/видео.html Sabbath starts at dawn; www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwahs-calendar/sabbath-at-sunset-absurd-and-impossible.html
I love your heart, but I think you’re blind to the fact that evil is prevailing just as it always has and will continue until Jesus comes back and judges the world. I’m baffled at your interpretation of the Old Testament scriptures that CONTINUALLY show men’s propensity to return to their evil hearts. This is a theme of scripture all the way to the end. You clearly love our Lord, but I just don’t get how you can’t see this. I love you though, and know you are my brother in Christ.
.I will be snatched up in the rapture...Praise Jesus!!!..and while I'm waiting I guard my heart and stay alert watching waiting with lamps full of oil for this event which happens in the twinkling of an eye..
@@madwhitehare3635 i wasn't there to observe it but the NT is clear as to when it occurred. Historical sources recorded supernatural events occuring around Judea at that time. See Josephus and Tacitus for details.
Scripture says there are famines, droughts, hyperinflation, great earthquakes, violent storms, large planet killing meteorites hitting the earth, and love will grow cold (Rev 6 & 9, Matt 24). Everybody knows they are suffering from the wrath of the Lamb in Revelation 6:15-17 as the second coming approaches. Billions (1/3 of mankind) will die (Rev 9:15). He also returns when there is eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building and getting and given marriage (times are good). The wicked will be caught unaware or are oblivious (Matt 24:39). 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (verse 37).
All 'mill' positions are inconsistent. The scriptures are clear as to when the end would be. It was soon and at hand. There's no other end spoken of. Full Preterism is true.
Full preterism is not true. The resurrection of the dead has not happened yet. 1 Corinthians 15:25-26 state that Christ must reign until all his enemies are put under His feet and that the last enemy Christ defeats is death. There are still enemies in the kingdom and people are still dying, therefore the full subduing of Christ’s enemies by the great commission and the resurrection of the dead have not happened yet. Therefore full preterism cannot be true. Partial preterism is, however, true.
@@keithwilson6060 You seem to have a narrow view of history. And beyond that, what does scripture say of the ultimate outcome of history? I find it hard to believe that the sin of Adam will have a more profound impact than the finished work of Christ.
@@merecatholicity the ultimate outcome of history we agree upon. You just think the ultimate outcome happened centuries ago. What does that make us, chopped liver? The coming millennial reign of Christ will be physical, universally conspicuous even to the heathen, irresistible through his rod-of-iron rule, and evidenced by the RESURRECTION of ALL the saints.
The last hear confirmed pre mil for me. The world is clearly being set for the AntiChrist and the mark of the Beast system is so obvious with the threat of no buying selling or trading without the vaccine. I bet five years from now this video will not have aged very well.
@@travis6694 I agree, I never said it was the mark of the beast. The mark doesn’t come until after the anti christ arrives, dies, and comes back to life according to Revelation. In fact, it’s why people take the mark bc it’s worship of the fact that he’s a “god.” Obv this hasn’t happened yet. But there’s no denying the technology and mindset and conditioning is here via COVID
How can one “discern the times” without the power of the Holy Ghost? If you are Cessationist or have never been baptized with fire...Keep silent about end times prophesy! “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:5-7 KJV. Doug I pray that you come to know the Living Christ
This man jokes entirely too much for anyone to take him as serious. How is anyone to trust a person who is always joking? Pre-millennialism is the correct end times view. Jesus asked if He would find faith on the earth when He returns. (Luke 18:8) No, He won’t. The entire Church at large will be predominantly lukewarm. Rev 3:14-22.
And I saw another angel ascending *from the east* having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, {Revelation 7:2} “For as the lightning *cometh out of the east* and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” {Matthew 24:7} And *the sixth angel* poured out his vial [plague] upon the great river Euphrates; and the water [support] thereof was dried up, *that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared* And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, *to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty* "Behold, I come as a thief. *Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments* lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, *It is done* {Revelation 16:12-17} And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God. For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. {Revelation 19:1-2} ... Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God* {Revelation 19:7-9}👈 ^ Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
A problem with the Post millennial view is that, they believe Christ is ruling NOW. But Revelation 11 has the two witnesses being killed and then raised to life after three and a half days. And it says their enemies will SEE them ascend into Heaven. Then you have a great earthquake in Jerusalem that kills 7000 people. Then the seventh trumpet sounds and NOW it says, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” (notice the kingdoms of the world don't become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ UNTIL the seventh trumpet is sounded. Surely you don't think the 7th trumpet is at the very beginning of this spiritual millennial reign?") 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: “We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” This says the time of Judgment has come for the wicked and the time of reward for the prophets and the saints. I'm sorry, all this has NOT happened even yet, let alone in the first century.
@@diegovalleperez3360 Again, the majority of historians and scholars date the book of revelation between 90-96 AD. You can disagree all you want that still doesn't change the fact of what historians and scholars hold to.
@John Trevett Ok, and? Like I said theres a lot of and even more evidence to 60’s AD. Historians and scholars are not perfect, they have failed multiple times. So I will stand with the majority of the evidence. The book was written in 60’s AD.
Check out Doug's book on end times, Heaven Misplaced:
canonpress.com/products/heaven-misplaced/
Doug Wilson is a great man of God,
however, he is wrong on this issue.
The technology for the mark of the beast currently exists, RFID Chips, and quantum dotting. The global-"elite" desire a global government, and pandemics can be used to phase out paper money, under sanitary pretense.
Then credit/debit cards will be made implantable, and mandatory by the antichrist.
Our Lord, and Savior told us that no man knows the hour, He, and the Holy Spirit have also warned us about these times.
Optimism is false hope.
However, there is good news, Christ told us that He will accelerate the times for the sake of the elect.
@Dennis Yen
I think that the common denominator that blinds the postmilers is optimism.
Most people have an optimism bias, and it can be terrifying to understand how close we are.
Your right about everything in your post, but I did not know that tensions between Israel, and Iran are worsening.
The only news I follow is Ben Shapiro's free first hour on youtube. And not always. It is very depressing.
@@allisvanity...9161 Of course in Matthew 24, context is king! The days were cut short for the sake of the elect during the tribulation of 70AD. Matthew 24 is talking about the destruction of the temple, which occurred during the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD fulfilling Christ’s words that the generation alive during his ministry did not pass away before “those things” occurred. If you are interested, thebdocumentary “On Earth as it is in Heaven” is a well made and simple introduction in the Postmillennialism that Wilson holds to.
@@mikea.3972
I'll check it out, but Revelation still doesn't give us a timetable.
You really should research RFID Chips, and quantum dotting.
Revelation 13 takes on immediate relevance with that knowledge.
God Bless!
Already own it: great book.
The past year I have adhered to every single form of eschatology and now I am comfortable in my Postmil view. The word of God attests to this view but God used Doug in the process as well so I am thankful for you guys uploading so many things about eschatology! It has greatly impacted me. I have a lot of hope in the victory of Jesus Christ!
So does this pretrib premil guy
So what does it mean to "adhere" in this case? Does it change your behavior somehow?
@@davidz9741 Oh yeah 100% it's not as encouraging to go into the world knowing you are going to lose. But Jesus is winning the nations back and because Jesus has authority in heaven and on earth I can know that we will succeed when evangelizing the world. It has really impacted the way I share the gospel and the way I think about the kingdom of God! Does that answer your question? I used the word adhere as to display me choosing an eschatological for some time based on what I was convicted of scripture. I bought Doug's "when the main comes around" and it was really helpful and as of right now I am Postmill. I could definitely see myself being Amill. 1 Thess is tough with Postmill. I still have more to learn. Even more than changing behavior knowing the kingdom of God continues to change my heart!
@@horrificpleasantry9474 I hope so! All forms of eschatology believe that Jesus wins. I wasn't trying to say that, I know you have much hope as I do brother! I have just learned more about what I think biblically the nature of that victory that Jesus secured on the cross looks like. It isn't an earthly kingdom sometime in the future but the gospel is a transformative force in the world NOW. I think premil people would agree with that but how it looks and plays out is completely different. The premil position is inherently pessimistic in the church age which is what I disagree with at the end of the day. Love you Brother!
@@Rotilda1 I think you're guilty of what you think I am. Is it not possible for God to be victorious without the church becoming the primary influence or earthly power in the world? Because the idea that God can't win unless conditions in the world look a certain way, that seems to be what postmils characterize premils as doing but are doing themselves
“In the long term, stupidity never works.” Pastor Doug Wilson. I loved that quote when I heard it on that movie, “On Earth as it is in heaven”.
The “abomination of desolation” is the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by pagan Roman armies. Luke’s parallel account makes this clear. He takes Matthew’s Hebraic language and interprets it for his Gentile audience: “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is at hand” (Luke 21:20). He tells us what the abomination is: Jerusalem being surrounded by Roman armies for the purpose of decimating her temple.
The Romans encircle Jerusalem on at least two occasions: under Vespasian in the initial siege and later under Titus not long before the Temple’s final destruction. Of Vespasian’s siege Josephus comments:
“And now the war having gone through all the mountainous country, and all the plain country also, those that were at Jerusalem were deprived of the liberty of going out of the city; for as to such as had a mind to desert, they were watched by the zealots; and as to such as were not yet on the side of the Romans, their army kept them in, by encompassing the city round about on all sides.” (Jewish War 4:9:1 §490)
He writes that later Titus builds “a wall round about the whole city” (Jewish War 5:12:1 §499).
After the first surrounding, the Christians are to flee from Judea. In God’s providence, Vespasian withdraws from the siege when Nero dies; the Christians then had the opportunity to escape. The early church father Eusebius notes that:
“The people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come thither from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men.” (Ecclesiastical History 3:5:3; cp. Matt 24:16; Epiphanius, Of Weights and Measures, 15)
"Stupidity is not a gameplan" lol that's great!
Found you!
Doug also said once that "stupidity never works" :)
Thank you pastor Doug. This is what I've been saying all year long.
I've been reading the bible New again since I started checking out 2 people; Michael Heiser and Gary DeMar. They are making me re-think what I was taught. They are forcing me to grow again. That's a good thing, and it gives me a new appreciation. I can say I'm no longer pre-mil because of them.
I became postmil about 6 months ago thanks to the likes of Jeff Durbin and Doug Wilson. Glad to say I’m no longer a dispensational premillenial any longer either haha
@@jacksonobrien3993 I'm not quite there yet, but my mind is now open to it. It's a journey worth taking though.
Three events pointing to Tribulation 2024-2031.
1) The star sign from Revelation 12 out of the bible occurred. (23 Sep 2017)
2) Daniel 69 weeks= 483yrs Ottoman Rebuild (1535-1541)
3) Israel born as a nation in Isaiah 66 occurred. (14 may 1948)
All three signs actually happened.
In Genesis 41 Joseph lets us know that there will be a 7 year warning before the 7 bad years happen.
Rev12 star sign 2017 warning so that is when the 7 year warning starts add 7 years is 2024 when Tribulation starts making 2028 the middle.
Daniel 9 Says Jerusalem will be restored in trouble! Under enemy rule counts Ottoman ruler rebuilt 1535-1541 the words for restore and rebuild can be understood as returned and rebuilt start or end. The early date has already passed rules it out for us now so we can use the later date add the 69 weeks aka 483years 1541 + 483 = 2024 Tribulation start! Tribulation is the last week adding up to 490 or the 70th week, 2024 Start + 7 year Tribulation = 2031 End.
Psalm90 Is about the nation of Israel nation means people and country.
In psalm 90 it says all our(Israel's) days are 70-80 years and then we flee Matt and Daniel in the Bible let us know Israel nation/people flee in the middle of the Tribulation so when they flee it is the middle not the end 1948 add 80 years is 2028 the Middle of the Tribulation.
Third Day Pattern
If we had realised the pattern of the third day arrival we would have known it was unlikely for Jesus to return before 2030-2033 as his work on the cross was done, the Church was born, and he left for heaven within the years 30-33AD giving a 3-4 year window for error as to his earliest arrival which effectively rules out any time before 2 days aka 2,000yrs are up giving us 2030-2033 as the earliest likely time of Jesus return.
Genesis the Sun was created on the fourth day.
-Jesus The Son was born into creation on the fourth day, third day from the fall.
-Jesus the boy went missing - Found on the 3rd 24hr day.
-Jesus the man dead found living on the 3rd 24hr day.
One is, Two is a coincidence, Three is a pattern.
How does 2 days = 2,000 years?
A day is like A thousand years and A thousand years is like A day with God and from God's perspective this is Scale and Ratio like maps have.
Below is 1,000 Years as days.
0-1,000 = Day 1 Adam falls
1,000-2,000 = Day 2
2,000-3,000 = Day 3
3,000-4,000 = Day 4 Jesus Arrives
4,000-5,000 = Day 5
5,000-6,000 = Day 6
6,000-7,000 = Day 7 Jesus Returns
Tribulation is a harvest so follows the same pattern as a harvest.
First fruits- Earthly presentation to God at his temple of the first ripe = 144,000, Made Apostles same way as Paul.
(remain in earth to work the harvest, Matthew 9:38 - Luke 10:2)
Main body harvest- self explanatory, This is when the main body of the harvest is brought in and placed in a store house = Mid Trib Rapture of the body, Body goes up as or just after Devil and his angels come down.
(Fullness of the Gentiles come in, Romans 11:25-26 - Isaiah 59:19-20)
Gleanings- This is where the stranger in the land (devil) can come and take what they can from the owner of the harvest's (God) field (earth) once that time is passed the owner can come and collect the remaining remnant.
Greek Harpazo just means taken by force, A removal from danger a person is about to be hit by a car and you Harpazo them you seize them from that danger and there is three different types of removal from danger.
1st type Enoch - Classic rapture view taken by God before death.
2nd type Noah - removed into a safe place but surrounded by danger, Ark, Bunkers, hidden in mountains.
3rd type Lot - Last second pushed out of the way of danger flee if you stop you will die. So you might be raptured but might not be raptured to heaven this is true for some and some are not removed from danger at all.
I fully accept I can be wrong also, but Let's say I am wrong worse case some disappointment & life goes on but if I am right now you know and less likely to be tricked by the False Christ so really only upside in sharing.
Objections:
People might leave because you "set a date" - if my words that are unrelated to God's essence, being or salvation could cause people to stop believing in God than they didn't believe to start with.
What about those seeking - If a Peron's claim could make them say this proves no God because that person got it wrong than that is an excuse because they never wanted to believe and if it wasn't this it would have been some other excuse.
Conclusion:
There is only upside in sharing and it is biblically supported Ezekiel 33:6 if you see danger than warn others. Matthew 24:44 Must keep watch for Jesus. Gal 1:10 A servant of Christ seeks God's approval not man's approval. John 13:34 Love one another as Jesus loved us - Jesus suffered, was disliked, he taught, he warned, he sacrificed, he cared and he did it for everyone even those who hated him.
I will never understand being postmil, but I love Doug.
Exactly. I can’t take anything seriously he says, but I respect him. He has a lot of explaining to do when the AntiChrist establishes himself here real soon.
I felt that way at one point... now I’m Postmil 😂
The harmony between Old Testament promises looking forward to the new covenant and Postmil eschatology is pretty amazing. Also, it seems like there is a more consistent interpretation method between normal theology and eschatology which I appreciate. Growing up Premil I always felt like there was a way to interpret most of scripture but then eschatology was an area all off on its own that was completely different.
@@UnlimitedMercy yea I mean I respect post mill and I think at the end of the day it’s hard to pin down one view since Scripture can be pretty open-ended. However for me, I can’t reconcile the post mill hinging idea that the thousand year reign of Christ is not needed because the Church advances the restoration of the state of the world through the preaching of the Gospel.
The world is only getting darker and darker, even after all the ground early Church fathers and movements made in centuries past. There are less people claiming Christ, not more. The world is only getting more evil, not less. If we depend on the church to save the day we’re in trouble bc we are still humans and often times look like the world. We can’t even keep our divorce rates better than the world.
Additionally, I refuse to submit to the idea that the Church and national Israel are synonymous. No thanks.
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The darkness we see in our world was honestly one of the biggest hurdles for me too. I like the way Doug describes it, the churches progress through history is less like a rocket and more like climbing the Rockies, you’re going to go up and down sometimes move along the mountain sideways but your overall trajectory is toward the peak. Also, the Postmil position is that we are IN the thousand year reign of Christ - the 1000 years being symbolic for an extremely long period of time. It’s more of an Amil position to say it’s not necessary. With regard to the church and Israel I would say Paul is pretty clear when He says that not all Israel is truly Israel but the sons of promise. And in a different spot he says we (the church) belong to the Israel from above. Essentially He’s saying God has one chosen people - believing Israel - the Gentile believers like myself have been grafted into that. Those who reject Yahweh and His messiah were never part of the true, spiritual Israel even if they’re Jewish by birth.
Why do you find it so necessary to separate them and have 2 different entities that God works differently in? < I know tone doesn’t come through in text, this is a genuine question, I want to understand why you were so firm on that point.
@@UnlimitedMercy so when I say that post mill believes the thousand year reign of Christ on earth in person is not necessary I mean in the sense that post mill seems to think the church can take care of it therefore it’s not necessary for Christ to come down. I understand the differences between the mills.
I’m firm on pre mill bc the Bible uses literal language regarding the millennial reign of Christ. It nowhere says “a really long time,” it says 1,000 years. Also it never says through the church he’ll reign, it says “in Jerusalem.” Basically, post mill takes literal language and makes it figurative to fit their belief system.
The same goes for the church and Israel being synonymous. Paul states in Romans that God is not done with national Israel and that the gentiles are wild branches that are grafted in, they’re not the same olive branches which are Israel. Also, Paul asks the question (paraphrased), If God didn’t spare his own people why would he spare the gentile? The context there is the Gentile Christians which are part of the church. Again, it’s taking literal Bible language and making it figurative. The hermeneutics between historical- grammatical (pre mill) and non-literal (post mill) is the biggest hurdle for me.
facts 💯 Pastor Douglas Wilson is on point here 🎯 !!!
GraceLife Church in Edmonton, Alberta, CANADA.
Pastor James Coates represented the flock of God beautifully.
“He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field. It is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is larger than all the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.” He told them another parable. “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven that a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened.””
Matthew 13:31-33 ESV
Take a look at the world around you, Doug. We aren’t moving towards worldwide Christian ethics. We’re moving away from them. People aren’t getting better, they are getting worse. Maybe one day when the trib actually happens you’ll change your mind.
My friend. Have you been out in the nations preaching the gospel making disciples? Do you not see that some of the worlds most powerful nations like China are turning to Jesus on track to being a Christian nation by 2028! How about Iran and Afghanistan? The church is exploding in the midst of persecution! The Lord is on the move all over the earth! I see it myself being a missionary all over the world in particular the Middle East and Asia. In the midst of chaos, God is reconciling the nations and you watch and see what happens on certain places in America. When darkness comes upon America we’re are going to see great revival in the midst of it. Persevere my friend. Keep you me hand on the plow. And starting building the kingdom. And if the world is getting worse, it’s not because evil is overcoming, it’s because the church is passive waiting around rather than being the true church like we see in the 1st century. Go and make disciples my friend teaching the nations to obey. We have a lot of work to do. Let’s get busy my brother!
@@zacharycorral1318 China a Christian nation by 2028? Does that include their government?
@@silversurfer2703 it includes the majority population and God willing yes that would be incredible. Would the lamb receive the nations 💛💛💛
@@silversurfer2703 it includes the majority population and God willing yes that would be incredible. Would the lamb receive the nations 💛💛💛
@@zacharycorral1318 I meant to ask if what you believe is true what about Roman Catholicism? Rome is an apostate church what will become of her ? Will she repent of her false teachings, will she be somehow destroyed?
I’m starting to find the “already not yet” eschatology compelling: Most everything was fulfilled in AD 70. However, just as a foreshadowing. The consummation of all things could be soon. Hopefully. 🤷🏽♂️
Macarthur, a reformed premillennial, would say that the prophecies are "telescoping," and there's much evidence of this in the OT prophecies: some elements are fulfilled early on while others are separated by hundreds or thousands of years. Then there's also the fact that some so called "fulfilments" are typological. They are not the true and final fulfillment, they are a shadow, or a prelude. For example, the jews living in Israel now are significant, but they're not a fulfillment of any specific prophecy. Political Israel is not the national Israel of the Bible. But it does seem to set up the possibility of future fulfilments which imply that all the Jews are living in Israel.
All prophecy was fulfilled in AD70. That was the only end in sight in the NT.
How do postm justify biblical historians who date the Book of Revelation at early 90’s and claim the prophecy of the destruction of the Temple at 70 A.D.? It saddens me when the majority of postmil just say, “well, it’s what I believe?” Picking and choosing certain interpretations based on “what I believe”, doesn’t fill me with confidence.
@@peterheroux8239 a lot of historians date the book of Revelation pre AD 70
@@danthemede323 ALL?? Micah 4:1-8? Lots of saber-rattling and war in the past 1,952 years…
"Future schoolchildren are not going to have to memorize what happened in 2021." Absolutely.... it's far too dumb.
Sure hoping we don't start hearing about cis-mils, trans-mils and non-binary mils ...
Are you mil-shaming?
@@justinbrown8036 Oh no, it's beginning ...
@@JonJaeden what is the “mil” stuff
@@travis6694 Christians debate premillennial, amillennial, and postmillennial eschatology -- shortened to premil, amil, and postmil. Just word play with a few of the crotch crowd's gender identities -- cis, trans and non-binary -- and also the human need to come up with drop-dead-certain categories. I'm intentionally committing blasphemy against their oh-so-serious sexual nonsense.
Kidding aside -- and eschatologically speaking -- I lean post-mil, but I've occasionally been known to exhibit mil-fluid tendencies ...
@@travis6694 the Bible teaches Jesus will reign on earth for a "millennium." The pre, a, and post prefixes refer to where in relation to millennium Jesus bodily returns to earth. Premil says Jesus returns and then rules bodily from jerusalem for a thousand years. Postmil says the millennium began at pentecost and we're in it now, conquering and subduing the world for Christ through the church, and after we are victorious through him, he will return to earth and usher in the eternal state (no sin). Amil sees the millennium as allegorical.. The a- means "not," as in, simplistically, there's no millennium. It didn't happen in the past, we're not in it now, and there won't be a literal one in the future. Jesus will return at some point in the future and usher in the eternal state and it's got nothing to do with the political situation on earth at the time.
that camera quality is phenomenal
Please let us disagree without being disagreeable.... ; >)
I'm a classical premil yet I agree with everything that is presented here. I've recently been called a functional postmill. Lol I just think the revelation and Matthew 24 stuff is yet to come.
Futurist Postmillennial 😂 lol
@@dallaswalter3047 indeed
Have to agree - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that things are heading in a certain direction. That certain direction just so happens to be sliding along the path of Revelation ;)
@@TheB1nary you may be interested to know that The Matthew 24 stuff like the sun and moon and stars going dark already happened once before Jesus’ birth
@@TheB1nary How many times does it have to slip into the revelations?
How far will this generation be expanded?
It seems that the premipremillennialism view nonsense is being shaken.
Absolutely still post mil; now even more than ever before 😉🙏
#1 Reason why I'm not Amil or Postmil
Revelation 19:17-21 describes the beast and false prophet being captured and thrown into the lake for fire prior to the Millennium in Rev 20.
After the Millennium the devil is described as been thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are Rev 20:10
Therefore if we are in the Millennium age then the beast and false prophet are currently in the lake of fire.
This can't be the case as Paul describes the revealing of the man of sin (the beast) to be a future event, who is destroyed by the coming of Christ 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
What is the difference, if any, between an optimistic Amill, and a Post-Mill who doesn't think the millennium is necessarily a literal 1000 year period?
I wonder about that as well; if there is any scholarly category or some such. I suspect it varies by person.
I see it primarily as a question about the kingdom and the timing of Christ's return, not about the length of time the kingdom lasts. Thus I always considered the "millennial" part as the least important part; I believe that Christ will return after the fulfillment of the (millennial) kingdom, hence a Post-(millennial) kingdom return of Christ.
Fleshing this out in broad strokes, there are two major positions, a Pre-(millennial) kingdom return and a Post-(millennial) kingdom return. The two main theories in each of those camps are Premillennialism and Dispensationalism for the former, and Postmillennialism and amillennialism for the latter.
So between A- and Post-, I see it as whether we see the Church as the kingdom of God and believe the promises that God will grow his kingdom not of this world from the tiny pebble it started from to the great mountain that fills all the earth (Postmillennialism), or whether one denies that the Church is God's kingdom and so our human institutions will eventually fail and God needs to bail us out (Amillennialism).
There are two groups within Postmillennialism, there those who take the 1000 years literally, and those like me that take it as a literary way of saying "a really long time" or "forever" / "eternal". I think too much is made about the single verse that says the kingdom will exist for 1000 years and see the important bit as the ultimate success or failure of the Church in this world. Thus, in my mind, "optimistic" Amillennialism doesn't exist, that's just Postmillennialism.
My friend who calls himself an optimistic Amill attaches more weight to the "millennial" part and it is the literal 1000 years that he is skeptical of (as I am). So I just tell him he's Postmill and he tells me I am optimistic Amill, and we agree to disagree. :)
Ultimately it comes down to the semantics of our preferred label.
This question is why I'm still suspicious of postmil, but I'm a premil pretrib in the vein of Macarthur
I think the main difference between Amil of any flavor and Post-Mill is the location of the throne. Amills, if I am getting this right, believe Christ is reigning now from Heaven, but not on Earth. Postmills are more, "All authority in Heaven AND on Earth is mine. Go, therefore..." So, if Christ is reigning right now on Earth as in Heaven, what does this entail about His return? 1 Corinthians 15:23-28 is the passage that turned a 20 year dispensational premil into a postmil. Christ must reign until His enemies are made His footstool. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. After this He returns and "then comes the end, when He delivers up the Kingdom to the Father," in essence fulfilling what the first Adam failed to do. When the end is described as Christ offering up a completed Kingdom to the Father, this leaves little room for a thousand years. In Isaiah 65, it talks of the New Heavens and New Earth as still having age, curse, and death. But we saw in 1 Corinthians 15 that death is defeated, Christ returns, and then comes the end. Postmils, therefore, believe that as the Christian is a New Creation in Christ, progressively coming more and more under Christ's dominion, we also believe the Earth also is a New Creation, progressively coming more and more under Christ's dominion.
Three events pointing to Tribulation 2024-2031.
1) The star sign from Revelation 12 out of the bible occurred. (23 Sep 2017)
2) Daniel 69 weeks= 483yrs Ottoman Rebuild (1535-1541)
3) Israel born as a nation in Isaiah 66 occurred. (14 may 1948)
All three signs actually happened.
In Genesis 41 Joseph lets us know that there will be a 7 year warning before the 7 bad years happen.
Rev12 star sign 2017 warning so that is when the 7 year warning starts add 7 years is 2024 when Tribulation starts making 2028 the middle.
Daniel 9 Says Jerusalem will be restored in trouble! Under enemy rule counts Ottoman ruler rebuilt 1535-1541 the words for restore and rebuild can be understood as returned and rebuilt start or end. The early date has already passed rules it out for us now so we can use the later date add the 69 weeks aka 483years 1541 + 483 = 2024 Tribulation start! Tribulation is the last week adding up to 490 or the 70th week, 2024 Start + 7 year Tribulation = 2031 End.
Psalm90 Is about the nation of Israel nation means people and country.
In psalm 90 it says all our(Israel's) days are 70-80 years and then we flee Matt and Daniel in the Bible let us know Israel nation/people flee in the middle of the Tribulation so when they flee it is the middle not the end 1948 add 80 years is 2028 the Middle of the Tribulation.
Third Day Pattern
If we had realised the pattern of the third day arrival we would have known it was unlikely for Jesus to return before 2030-2033 as his work on the cross was done, the Church was born, and he left for heaven within the years 30-33AD giving a 3-4 year window for error as to his earliest arrival which effectively rules out any time before 2 days aka 2,000yrs are up giving us 2030-2033 as the earliest likely time of Jesus return.
Genesis the Sun was created on the fourth day.
-Jesus The Son was born into creation on the fourth day, third day from the fall.
-Jesus the boy went missing - Found on the 3rd 24hr day.
-Jesus the man dead found living on the 3rd 24hr day.
One is, Two is a coincidence, Three is a pattern.
How does 2 days = 2,000 years?
A day is like A thousand years and A thousand years is like A day with God and from God's perspective this is Scale and Ratio like maps have.
Below is 1,000 Years as days.
0-1,000 = Day 1 Adam falls
1,000-2,000 = Day 2
2,000-3,000 = Day 3
3,000-4,000 = Day 4 Jesus Arrives
4,000-5,000 = Day 5
5,000-6,000 = Day 6
6,000-7,000 = Day 7 Jesus Returns
Tribulation is a harvest so follows the same pattern as a harvest.
First fruits- Earthly presentation to God at his temple of the first ripe = 144,000, Made Apostles same way as Paul.
(remain in earth to work the harvest, Matthew 9:38 - Luke 10:2)
Main body harvest- self explanatory, This is when the main body of the harvest is brought in and placed in a store house = Mid Trib Rapture of the body, Body goes up as or just after Devil and his angels come down.
(Fullness of the Gentiles come in, Romans 11:25-26 - Isaiah 59:19-20)
Gleanings- This is where the stranger in the land (devil) can come and take what they can from the owner of the harvest's (God) field (earth) once that time is passed the owner can come and collect the remaining remnant.
Greek Harpazo just means taken by force, A removal from danger a person is about to be hit by a car and you Harpazo them you seize them from that danger and there is three different types of removal from danger.
1st type Enoch - Classic rapture view taken by God before death.
2nd type Noah - removed into a safe place but surrounded by danger, Ark, Bunkers, hidden in mountains.
3rd type Lot - Last second pushed out of the way of danger flee if you stop you will die. So you might be raptured but might not be raptured to heaven this is true for some and some are not removed from danger at all.
I fully accept I can be wrong also, but Let's say I am wrong worse case some disappointment & life goes on but if I am right now you know and less likely to be tricked by the False Christ so really only upside in sharing.
Objections:
People might leave because you "set a date" - if my words that are unrelated to God's essence, being or salvation could cause people to stop believing in God than they didn't believe to start with.
What about those seeking - If a Peron's claim could make them say this proves no God because that person got it wrong than that is an excuse because they never wanted to believe and if it wasn't this it would have been some other excuse.
Conclusion:
There is only upside in sharing and it is biblically supported Ezekiel 33:6 if you see danger than warn others. Matthew 24:44 Must keep watch for Jesus. Gal 1:10 A servant of Christ seeks God's approval not man's approval. John 13:34 Love one another as Jesus loved us - Jesus suffered, was disliked, he taught, he warned, he sacrificed, he cared and he did it for everyone even those who hated him.
why does the Bible ask will He find faith on the earth when He returns if post mill is true?
Post mil is for catholics
It is obviously a rhetorical question and the answer is "yes", so the real question is "why does the Bible ask will He find faith on the earth when He returns if post mill is false?"
@@oracleoftroy Exactly what revelations says will happen
Re 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Re 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
I have to disagree. The times are pretty clear about where we are in the biblical timeline.
Sure… from a Certain point of view
@@SWillTiamG there is only one correct point of view
and where is that....?
@@zacharycorral1318 at the beginning of the great tribulation.
I’m not opposed to changing my eschatology midair.
Remember The Sabbath & Keep the Faith for deception abounds in music & film to lead to a very dark place
Many seem to forget Christ said the world hated me so shall the world will hate you because of me John 15:18.....🤔
even people in heaven is hated by people in hell,does it mean the world will never get better even when heaven finally united with earth in the new heaven and earth?
@@ManlyServant IN Matthew 24 Christ explained when the Son of man returns it will be as was the days of Noah. We are the salt of the earth that will slow down the decay but not stop it. Wicked men grow like weeds and the system of the world is in the hands of the wicked one. Job 9:24 the world was given to the wicked.
"God laughs at all our shenanigans" Amen, His ways are not our ways, His thoughts are not our thoughts
How is this answer incompatible with premill? I don't see how this is exclusive to a post mill view and I'm not talking about dispenationalism.
I’m mulling post-mill as I find lots of agreement with it. How does 1 Cor. 15 jive with it? Is that a future event in post-mill?
Hi, Willis! Here's a sermon from Doug on 1 Cor 15. Hope this helps! ruclips.net/video/UjFWffLE9SE/видео.html
Fulfilled in AD70.
@@danthemede323 an honest question…do you take communion in church?
@@willisfletcher6260 no, I'm afraid i dont. That was only applicable until He came. Which, i believe, according to His own words He did.
One of the problems that I have with both the postmil and amil positions is their insistence on the binding of Satan as a present reality... Both positions demand that Satan is both bound and sealed in the Abyss right now, and yet there are numerous scriptures that describe Satan as being quite active in the world today, so I can't buy them as positions that deal completely honestly with the texts.
Some great books on the subject that I've been reading during quarantine...
"Revelation, An Exegetical Commentary," by Robert L. Thomas
"Revelation 20 and the Millennial Debate," by Matthew Waymeyer
"Christ's Prophetic Plans," by John MacArthur and Richard Mayhue
"The Second Coming," by John MacArthur
"Because the Time is Near," by John MacArthur
and as a bonus...
"Ancient Dispensational Truth," by James C. Morris
"Dispensationalism Before Darby," by William C. Watson
"Rediscovered Early Church Premillennialism," by Robert Franklin
I always understood it as satan and the original fallen angels were the ones roaming around on earth but in the 2nd heaven. I didn’t know people thought satan was bound as of now?
@@tyc4587
Unfortunately yeah, both postmil and amil believe that.
The fact that demonic possession/oppression is still taking place should be enough of an alert to both amill and postmill. Honestly, i dont doubt that satan would love it if christians thought he wasnt a problem. Sounds like a deception to me.
What is the purpose of the Tribulation then?
I don't get post mil. During the millennial reign of Christ, 1st Christ will be here, 2nd the sun and moon will be altered, 3rd the heavens will be gone. And to continue, David would be regent over Israel, if a person dies at 100 its as if they died as a child, and believers would be in resurrected bodies. That's what I'm expecting the millennial reign to be like, pretty much what is in the Bible.
Is The book of Revelation cronological or parallelial?
Does Doug have any info on Zechariah 14? I’m studying all the books of prophecy and I’m getting hung up on this chapter.
what is your question? this is the promise of God fulfilled, He will be their God and they will be His people. God will judge the people who ransacked Israel and people of all tongues, tribes, and nations will come to worship God in His chosen city Jerusalem. this is happening today in a sense like Micah 4 as the Church is obeying the Law of God and is making Israel jealous.
@@whotookjimirocket thanks for the reply. How would you explain this verse? This 70AD?
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
@@zacharybeauford2244 curious actually, not 100% sure and i'm going to enjoy studying Zech, Dan, Rev, Thess etc side by side eventually. 14:2 sounds kinda like the 7 year period. it could've been 70 AD but then i've heard from a handful separate sources about the 'already not yet' concept. ch 14 in general seems very close to the ebd to me like Armageddon/1000 year deal. i've not joined pre- or postmil and have just begun to look into eschatology. it's an interesting subject
@@whotookjimirocket I’ve been studying it for a couple years now. I started as a futurist premil but after I started studying for myself I quickly realized that view was untenable. I still have much to learn but certainly am leaning heavily towards partial preterist postmil.
@@whotookjimirocket Excuse me ! This is happening today? Goodness gracious please tell me you do not believe this is actually happening as we speak!
The phrase “keep you from” in Rev. 3:10 is “tereo se ek” in Greek. Tereo appears 75 times in the Bible and is translated “keep” 57 of those. “Se” means “you”, and “ek”which is translated “from” in Rev. 3:10 is often translated “out of”. It literally means to be out of both the time and place of the event it concerns. Therefore it’s correct to say that the Lord will keep the Church out of the time and place of the hour of trial being referenced in Rev. 3:10. This translation makes Rev. 3:10 agree with 1 Thes. 1:10 where Paul said the Lord will rescue (deliver) the church from the wrath to come.
John 17:15 is part of a prayer that begins in John 17:6 and continues through John 17:19. Jesus was offering it on behalf of His disciples who were there with Him on the night of His arrest. Some try to use this verse as an argument against the pre-Trib rapture. But to do so, they have to change both the purpose and scope of His prayer, which was to seek divine protection from Satan for His disciples.
So what are the problems with post mill vs pre mill?
You either read scripture as Christ is coming and will literally reign on earth for a thousand years, premil or you read scripture to say we are in that thousand years and as time moves toward Christ's return, Christian values will begin to reign in the world and the Christ will return, postmil. And or somewhere between, yet none of it is salvation based meaning all you need to stress is the Gospel. Study and pray about it. Much love friend Jesus Christ is King...is, was and will be!
Postmil is wrong premil is right
@@GojoTheHonoredOne9 care to elaborate?
pre-mil is basically a system created by ignorance of scripture and history.
@@rayortiz6189
LOL ignorance of history?
you need to get your church *history* knowledge up and learn that historic premil has been held by multiple church fathers.
How about the possibility that whether you are a pre-mil or a post-mil, the answer for you specifically might be what you believe? In other words, maybe some or all of the broken, contrite, and penitent will be saved, as Noah or Lot, while those who want to stay here and perform all of the works and miracles of a post-mil, shaping this world, get to do that.
We are the fruit of the tree of this world and an attachment to this world. This shaking is to get as many fruit to fall from the tree during this harvest. Then more shaking, and more harvest. I have a feeling that Doug might come to a point where he might wish that he had shaken loose from the tree during this harvest.
That’s all well and good, but what is a “duffel pud”?
“Human history going another 10,000 years.” Hope not & doubtful. I find the 7000 year old earth plan compelling.
@Dennis Yen correct. I know. That is a difficult position to hold.
ruclips.net/video/Ys6_Th7rvW0/видео.html
This is another video from Doug Wilson with a brief explanation of Postmillenialism. I’ve come to believe that it is the most consistent way to interpret old and New Testament prophecy. I grew up Dispensational Premil and struggled with the inconsistency in the way biblical interpretation was practiced. It seemed there was a disconnect between normal interpretation and prophecy. I want to interpret the Bible in a consistent manner and I see the Postmil position doing that.
@Dennis Yen
Postmil says the “end times” was the end of the age, the age of Old Testament Judaism. It is a partial preterist position meaning the beast of revelation was the Roman Empire and the Harlot was 1st century Israel, the social gospel is definitely not what reformed Postmil pastors preach. They preach salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. I highly recommend the video link I posted previously. It is a very concise explanation of Postmil eschatology and actually explains the natural interpretation of scripture verses a wooden overly literal interpretation. That isn’t “spiritualization” it’s taking the text as it’s presented. When Jesus says he’s the Door we don’t look for a doorknob...
@Dennis Yen
To be clear, I don’t believe the great tribulation is yet future but it is a description of the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem in 70ad. It was future to Jesus in Matt 24 and future to John as he wrote the book of Revelation but it is past to us.
@Dennis Yen
Rick Warren is also not a reformed preacher. I don’t know the groups Joel’s Army or Latter Rain that last one sounds like New Apostolic Reformation type stuff to me. Just to clarify, when I say Postmil or Postmillenial I’m not talking about Seven Mountains Theology or anything like that. I’m talking classical, historic, Postmillenialism. I do believe we’re in the millennial reign of Christ now and it will be fully consummated at the last day when He returns and defeats the last enemy which is death. I take Him at His word when He says, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me...” He has been given all authority on earth, not just in heaven.
The millennial mentioned in Rev. 20 is not referring to the final return of Christ in his Glory. It is symbolic of Christ reigning now through the Church along with the saints, both dead and alive. The first paragraph tells us that Satan will be prevented from deceiving the nations during this time, but he is still allowed to roam the Earth. He has not been thrown into the lake of fire! There is no way that Christ in his Glory will allow Satan to roam the earth when he returns! When Christ returns, Satan will be in hell!
@Caleb P I didn't say that Christ reigning now through the Church is symbolic. He is literally reigning now through the Church. I said the passage in revelation is symbolic of that fact. Just like Satan isn't literally bound with chains(the chains are symbolic) but he is prevented now from deceiving the nations, which is literal.
Victoria Koerber When the millennium starts Satan will be bound and thrown into a bottomless pit for 1000 years. He will be released for a short time to gather an army to go to war against Christ one last time at the battle if Armageddon. Then he will be thrown into Hell forever .
I’m still postmill too in ways even more so now!
Then you should drop your Star of David logo.
The premil view understands that all the promises (covenants) God made with Israel will be fulfilled literally and on earth. To deny that is to deny the Old Testament and the promises to God's chosen people.
@@xapie128 what? I said postmill not premill!!!
@@yayforeals, Exactly. The premil view understands prophecy is all about Israel. The postmil view tries to replace blessings to Israel and gives them to the church. Hold a postmil view if you want, but promoting the star of David is an oxymoron for a postmil view.
@@xapie128 Yeah... "Replace" in the same way Paul does when he says the promises weren't to an ethnic people but to a spiritual people, a people to whom the natural branches were cut out and wild branches grafted in, per Romans 9-11. The people actually trying to replace snythinh are those premil who deny Paul's clear teaching and try to make those promises a race based things despite how clear Paul and the rest of the OT and NT are.
Boy did this age well
The more I look at scripture, the more I see postmil language. Psalm 72 especially got me
The mustard seed got me
Premil is the way👌🏽
@@GojoTheHonoredOne9 Yeah, that’s what I thought for most of my 45 years of life... until I read through the entire Bible last year and got hung up in the prophets, asking God to help me understand the purpose of these books for me and anyone else who has existed in the last 2000 years... especially if their warnings were intended only for one generation of a very unclear, unspecified time period as I’d always been taught. And I came to realize, in spite of what I had heard my whole life, but could never make any sense of, all those prophets were warning Israel to repent or receive her just rewards. She never did. She rejected her Messiah, and continued pursuing salvation through the Law, apart from Christ, outside of His grace. And she got everything God said she would get - judgment and destruction. Exactly like the prophets and Jesus foretold (“this generation shall not pass...” 70AD - utter devastation - old things are passed away!) Exactly what historians of the first century witnessed and recorded. Exactly as John the Revelator recapitulated for the Church - “things which must shortly take place!”
@@randgclark well said.👍🏻
@@GojoTheHonoredOne9 The way of false teachings.
So, when exactly was the millennium?
Amillenial.
Revelation 9 will definitely wake up a bunch of people who are asleep today.
I wish I could find a girl that on our first date would be able to answer the question, "So are you pre-mil or post-mil?".
I'm still Pre Mill & don't see how to not be. It certainly looks Biblical to Me. - yet I hear Doug. , R C Sproul. Etc I'm still with MacArthur Etc
In Post mill view, Jesus is not coming back anytime soon until the whole world believes in Christianity ✝️
Newspaper exegesis is not biblical exegesis. The Bible promises that the Gospel kingdom will expand and expand and it will do so according to God's good pleasure and purpose.
Reading the paper and matching prophecies, uh. What do make of Christ warning the Pharisees of His day with the admonition that they were blind to the signs of the times? Can we assume that if there was a ‘newspaper’ in their day, He may have pointing to the events surrounding the world and His prophesied 1st Coming? Why could the Lord not do the same thing with warming us about the state of the World before His second coming? Just asking!
no thank you. the church is the bride of Christ. we are taught how to treat our bride. the wrath of the Father is never poured on the bride. also, He that restrains, restrains no longer in order for the man of sin to be revealed. you want to be here without the Spirit restraining? wow. the timing of the Church is about to come to a close. in revelations, determine how many times and where the Church is referenced.
No one who reads the bible completely with understanding could possibly be postmil or amil
Another problem with the Post millennial view is that, as is said in this video, Christ is ruling NOW. But Revelation 11 has the two witnesses being killed and then raised to life after three and a half days. And it says their enemies will SEE them ascend into Heaven. Then you have a great earthquake in Jerusalem that kills 7000 people. Then the seventh trumpet sounds and NOW it says, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” (notice the kingdoms of the world don't become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ UNTIL the seventh trumpet is sounded. Surely you don't think the 7th trumpet is at the very beginning of this spiritual millennial reign?") 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: “We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
This says the time of Judgment has come for the wicked and the time of reward for the prophets and the saints. I'm sorry, all this has NOT happened even yet, let alone in the first century.
We're in satans little season..
@@sinnersaved1033 So, the Millennial reign lasted forty years and Satan's "little season" has lasted almost 2 thousand years? Go back and Re-read Revelation.
@@MB777-qr2xv nope I didn't say that. You should ask to understand. It's not good to insinuate that your fellow brother needs to read more because if he knows something different than you he must be wrong. That's not what we should do my friend.
Are you aware of what satans little season is?
@@sinnersaved1033 Revelation 20:7 says, When the thousand years has ended, Satan shall be released from his prison, 8 and he shall come out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for the battle. Their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the beloved city-but fire fell from heaven and consumed them."
Satan's "little season" is when He is released from the pit at the END of the THOUSAND years. Why would God say a thousand years, when He really meant forty years?
I know, "it's a metaphor." Metaphors have to make at least some metaphorical sense. Like Jesus being the bread of life. The metaphorical meaning is this: just like bread gives us physical nourishment, Jesus gives us spiritual nourishment. BUT in what sense does 1000 metaphorically represent forty.
If we go back to Revelation 20:1-3 it says, "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon-the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan-and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He also threw him into the abyss and locked and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed. After these things, he must be released for A SHORT WHILE (or little season)
My question is WHEN was "Satan bound so as to NOT deceive the nations until the THOUSAND YEARS were completed?"
There has NOT been any time in recorded history where Satan was NOT deceiving the nations.
There has NOT been a time when we have NOT had false religions, atheism, murder rape, thievery, child sacrifice or child molestation, drugs, drinking etc. In other words, Satan from day one in the Garden has been busy deceiving the nations into all manner of sin against our Holy God. There has NOT yet been this time when we are not being deceived by the Devil and are living as God has called us to live.
2 Peter 3:13 says, "Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells." We have not EVER (at least since BEFORE Adam and Eve sinned) had this promised existence where righteousness reigns. We have NOT had a world where there is NO longer any crying, no MORE sorrow, no MORE pain, no MORE death. This MUST be future.
Again, I am NOT saying no prophecy has been fulfilled, just not every prophecy. Again, do you and I and every Christian alive today have a body like Christ's that will not be subject to corruption or decay and will live forever? Answer: NO!
2 Corinthians 5:1-10 says, "For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3 For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. 4 While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it’s NOT that we want to die and GET RID OF THESE BODIES that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our NEW BODIES so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. 5 God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit." Living Translation.
On a final note, you said, "You should ask to understand." What do YOU mean by the thousand-year reign? When did that occur? How long did it last? When did Satan's little season start? When will it be over? Are you as a Preterist saying ALL PROPHECY has been fulfilled and there is NOTHING left to be fulfilled?
Serious questions: Is the origin of Postmillennial thought from Joachim of Fiore? Are there any references in early church history? Is the orthodox view Amillennialism which was primarily promoted by Augustine?
I would honestly say the modern postmillennialism is almost exactly the same as Augustinian amillennialism. It's really a matter of optimism, which seems to be found in Augustine, Calvin, etc. In many ways, I think the differentiation at this point is rather odd, considering that modern postmillennials (besides the optimism) hold to a very different form of eschatology than the Puritans, who were historicists, holding to a thousand year period in the future.
Amillennialism is definitely the orthodox view and the view held by almost all postmillennialists today, with the only major difference being a matter of optimism.
@@merecatholicity In my thinking, the totalitarian example of the city Munster in the 16th century gives me pause on optimistic views.
I do not know what I believe about eschatology even though I’ve read a lot, I will say it’s the wrong question to look at the world around you and then make a judgment about what God’s word says. Post millennialism just like any other eschatology stands or falls on the word of God not just looking at the world around you.
That's a mis-use of the 'shaken' teaching in Hebrews 12. That which could be shaken referred to the old covenant initiated under Moses; that which cannot be shaken is the Kingdom Jesus initiated. We hold onto that unshakeable Kingdom by grace (verses 25-29).
So, preacher Douggie will take the mark of the beast. Nice to know his postmil holds strong for him.
If some was on a desert island and never even heard of the millennium and you gave them a Bible they'd be Historic Premill.
“I’ll never be postmil”
*reads Matthew 28:18-20*
How does this point to postmil? I’m clueless on all of this.
Huh? How does this point to postmil?
That is the great commission, nothing about that passage says or even eludes to Jesus saying "establish 99.9% of the kingdom of heaven on earth, then ill come back and finish up the rest."
Post millenialsim doesn't work for the simple fact that man is SINFUL AND WICKED! and sinful and wicked men will never succeed in establishing heaven on earth. ONLY God can do that. Pist millenialism almost sounds like a "if we work REALLY HARD well finally make this place clean and Holy enough for God to come dwell with us" type of eschatology. It focuses on man doing rather than God doing.
Did the interviewer actually just imply that the only way you could be premillennial or amillennial is that you put the news before the bible? That’s little more than and ad hominem attack. There are people faithfully sat under the teaching of the bible who are trying to sit under its authority and get things wrong in their understanding (all Christians to a greater or lesser extent). Let’s not be glib for the sake of expedience.
_"There are people faithfully sat under the teaching of the bible who are trying to sit under its authority and get things wrong in their understanding (all Christians to a greater or lesser extent)."_
Yeah, so? They got this wrong; big deal. And they are free to say Postmill got this wrong. As Christians, can we please stop acting like the world and getting offended by every little thing? Sheesh!
Learn to disagree in love instead of demanding that everyone else hide their opinions if you disagree with it.
@@oracleoftroy Sorry, were you offended by what I said there? ...😉
@@oracleoftroy Not meant with any lack of love brother but it seems to me that you’re doing exactly the thing that you’re trying to rebuke me for.
If it’s wrong for me to criticise their stated position why is it ok for you to criticise mine?
@@iknowyourerightbut4986 I know, it seems like a lot of people are offering postmil due to being reactionary towards weird IFBs or pentecostals who happen to be premil. But their argumentation is like Catholic argumentation against protestantism -- not valid
@@iknowyourerightbut4986 You seem to miss that you are the one holding to a standard that says disagreement with others should not happen. I think we can disagree in love and not take offense over disagreement, hence why there is obviously no contradiction on my part for rebuking you. Trying to impute your position on me is dishonest.
I explicitly said both sides are free to call out each other where they think they got is wrong. Why are you pretending like I didn't?
I realize we cannot interpret scripture literally in certain areas where its symbolism. But at the same time describing an cataclysmic universal event as the fall of a city or a nation is really dramatically putting it.
But that’s consistently how the language in used in the prophets.
@@TheDareD3vil well in Revelations it talks about the sun scorching the Earth. Just think about that for a minute. Interpreted literally could be very terrifying. In the Book of Luke it talks about men's hearts failing them for fear. It may be symbolism but its symbolism of something very terrifying.
This has literally the first Dufflepud reference I've heard, appreciate the video, thanks!
...and even more still...
Christ was clear I DO NOT PRAY FOR THE WORLD BUT FOR THE ONES YOU GAVE ME. Postmill is wrong. We are the little flock.
What does postmil mean ?
It is one of the three main millennial positions. Postmillenial means that one (as I do) believes that we are in the millennial reign of Christ right now and that His second coming is after the Millennium.
Most people nowadays are premillenials meaning they believe Jesus’s second coming will be before a literal thousand year earthly reign of Christ.
These positions come from Revelation 20 and are quite complicated. However they are super interesting! I encourage you to study all the eschatological positions objectively. Doug Wilson and Jeff durbin are great teachers and explain postmillenialism very well. I’d also encourage you to watch the RUclips documentary “on earth as it is in heaven”. It describes postmil very well.
@@jacksonobrien3993 thank you so much , so clear and concise. I love Jeff Durban too. Thanks though, ima read up on 20 Rev
@@mountainmover.s of course! God bless you!
Postmillennialists are Preterist and that causes some BIG issues (problems) with the scriptures. So, then they come up with the term partial Preterist and cherry pick scriptures applying some texts to 70 ad and others not. They are just as disingenuous as the dispensationalists there are huge scriptural issues with both interpretations that MUST addressed and neither of them can it do to my satisfaction.
All of these are good points, except for the postmill part.
No news paper, postmil just does not make sense at all. Jesus said that he will build a home so that where he is we will be with him.
No idea what pre and post mill means but you can have this conversation about any religion (certainly Judaism).
Wha? How do other religions converse about whether Christ will return before or after the consummation of his kingdom?
@@oracleoftroy this is where my having no idea what pre or post mill comes in. I just meant the part about God reminding us that He controls the world by shaking up our complacency.
As to the other question, Judaism at least has different views on what will happen before the Messiah comes and if the Messiah can sooner through our action and what those actions might be (doing more mitsvot or moving to Israel en masse, establishing a state, and perhaps even rebuilding temple).
@Travis F the Bible teaches Jesus will reign on earth for a "millennium." The pre, a, and post prefixes refer to where in relation to millennium Jesus bodily returns to earth. Premil says Jesus returns and then rules bodily from jerusalem for a thousand years. Postmil says the millennium began at pentecost and we're in it now, conquering and subduing the world for Christ through the church, and after we are victorious through him, he will return to earth and usher in the eternal state (no sin). Amil sees the millennium as allegorical.. The a- means "not," as in, simplistically, there's no millennium. It didn't happen in the past, we're not in it now, and there won't be a literal one in the future. Jesus will return at some point in the future and usher in the eternal state and it's got nothing to do with the political situation on earth at the time.
@@horrificpleasantry9474 Thanks! Ours is 6,000 years since Creation. But can come earlier depending on our actions. Followed by 1,000 years of "Sabbath." Unclear what that means exactly seeing as we can't cook on the Sabbath. ;)
@@davidz9741 my easy answer is that it's a wrong belief. But actually it wouldn't be wrong - I have to be fair - because it calls it a sabbath. Because in the OT every 7th and 50th year was supposed to be a sabbath year/year of jubilee where the israelites were not to plant any crops, and in years of jubilee were to return land to the tribe of original settlement in canaan. But the reason why a 1000 year sabbath rest for the land has to be wrong, then, is that the 70 year babylonian captivity was already a sabbath for the land. The israelites had not observed the sabbaths, so God gave the land rest by removing the Jews for the time they had not observed the practice, as a catch-up. Since there have not been 1,000/8*50 = ~6,000 years of unobserved sabbaths, which is longer than the israelites could ever have been in canaan. The whole point of WHY God would enforce a sabbath on the land does not make sense with the expectation of a 1,000 year one.
I'd like to recommend the online article "the impossible faith" on the website "tektonics," for a thorough argument for how we in the 21st century, without needing access to obscure historical documents or artifacts, can know that Jesus was resurrected. This is the crux of the entire faith, no pun intended. It's worth it to know the strongest version of an opposing position. Hopefully it will also change your mind. But at least it will be important knowledge.
Christ said that the end days shall be as the days of Noah: one shall be taken, another left. So no world-wide righteousness, which is naive to say the least.
Jesus: I go to prepare a place for you (John 14:3)
Post Mil: We will prepare a place for you
Question: When we read scripture, is the return of Jesus described as a peaceful transition of power and authority to Jesus at His return from believers who have obeyed the Great Commission and have "Christianized" the world, or do we read of the return of Jesus as a violent and bloody event (Zech 24, Rev 19) ??
He goes, but sends the Spirit. He says to pray that his kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. It’s really not about the transition to the new heavens and earth not being troubled, which is located at Zachariah 14 and Rev. 20:9-15. It will be troubled, but that comes after the present age, in which Israel is renewed unto Christ and has peace (Ezk. 38). Jesus won’t come until Israel says blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord (Mat 23:38, Acts 3:19). Things have to look up before they look down.
@@gusshredney1491, very true. His kingdom is not of this world, but it has been sent into this world. We do not fight according to the means of this world, outside in, but inside out. As Paul says we are ambassadors, but the conflict is in this world for the pulling down of principalities and powers. To say “his kingdom is not of this world” without also saying “may his kingdom come” in this world, is to hold his kingdom too far off. It is here, in our hearts and between our hands.
In terms of American history, I think future students will be learning about 2020 in particular, it was a rather historic year (in the worst ways).
Gotta remember who writes the history books for public school students
We're in satans little season..
Things get worse,
Reaction: I’m more post mill
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Many states no longer have operating child sacrifice centers. I’d say things have gotten better.
You might want to look up the actual meaning of "Immanentize the eschaton." Wikipedia is quite helpful.
While Dr. Wilson is correct that many more civilizations could rise and fall that doesn't make a positive case for his position but a theoretical one.
Is Dr. Wilson not dispensing with a lot of straw men in most of his reasoning? Is the silliness of wearing a mask outside while distant from others really the same as desiring to love ones neighbor by wearing a mask (as doctors do to protect patients) and social distancing? Isn't a willingness to suffer minor inconvenience for the good of others acceptable?
Is it better to do meaningless things that don't actually help to show virtue no one would notice otherwise, or to actually focus on things that help? Masks might help if we all used N95 masks and never ever ever touched them, but no one, absolutely no one actually properly follows the procedures when wearing a mask. So they collect lot of bacteria on the mask which they are constantly touching to adjust, getting a concentrated dose on their hands which they then use to touch everything else. That's in part why the data between states and countries that did and did not impose a mask mandate are within the margin of error of difference in terms of effectiveness.
More people should be interested in following the actual data than demanding we do meaningless gestures to pretend to have virtue while we hurt people socially, economically, and a host of other deadlier ways.
We've all seen the well meaning guy with his mask under his nose or covering only their chins but that's not the majority. Results from willingly mask wearing countries is much better than those who are more reluctant. While we should investigate questions of how well a solution, such as wearing masks, works we should also be willing to deal with the results. www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent provides a good discussion of the testing and benefits. While it's possible that the nasal tests only work in the lab and that reduced infection rates in various countries that started wearing masks were due to coincidence it's not the most likely explanation. In the meantime the best evidence we have is that (on average) wearing a mask helps me a little and people around me a lot. I can do this little thing for my neighbor. Soldiers and civilians did it in the Spanish Flu epidemic and it helped then. Today we have better masks.
So what about wicked men will wax worse and worse? What about this beast and his false prophet, what about the time of Jacob's trouble, a time unequaled in all human history? The Bible seems.to indicate strongly that the world will get worse and worse, darker and darker, and that even.the saints are allowed to be conquered for a time.before Jesus himself returns and establishes his kingdom.
I'm sorry but if the church is supposed to create this utopia on earth before Jesus returns it's failing MISERABLY! Post mil makes absolutely no sense to me
Brethren!
There is ONE Gospel, this is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God (YHWH)!
The Kingdom of God (YHWH) is the new world to come, inaugurated by Jesus (יהושע) at his return to Earth. This was the kingdom prophesied in the OT.
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God (YHWH),
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God (YHWH) is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Mark 1:14-15 KJV
The New Testament record relates the content of the apostolic message as “the things concerning the Kingdom of God (Yahuwah)and Jesus (יהושע) Christ.” When Philip went into Samaria and “I preached Christ to them,” what they heard and believed is stated in this way: “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God (Yahuwah), and the name of Jesus (יהושע) Christ, they were being baptized, both men and women” Acts 8:5, 12
Believing in יהושע is a vital part of this, but his death burial and resurrection are only a segment of the overall Gospel.
יהושע loved the Law and obeyed it, he only spoke and did what YHWH commanded. He is our example and our messiah!
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14
www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/believing-yahushuas-gospel.html
www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/the-one-gospel.html
www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/preaching-the-gospel.html
Truth about the ‘Trinity’;
www.trinityexamined.com/john-1-and-the-trinity/
www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/a-letter-from-the-lord-yahushua.html
About Gods real name;
ruclips.net/video/q2I8HmB2Aew/видео.html
Sabbath starts at dawn;
www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwahs-calendar/sabbath-at-sunset-absurd-and-impossible.html
I don’t believe this video will age too well lol
Neither will this channel
Regardless the view of the Lord's return, somebody has predicted or will predict it, and it has been or will be true.
I love your heart, but I think you’re blind to the fact that evil is prevailing just as it always has and will continue until Jesus comes back and judges the world. I’m baffled at your interpretation of the Old Testament scriptures that CONTINUALLY show men’s propensity to return to their evil hearts. This is a theme of scripture all the way to the end. You clearly love our Lord, but I just don’t get how you can’t see this. I love you though, and know you are my brother in Christ.
.I will be snatched up in the rapture...Praise Jesus!!!..and while I'm waiting I guard my heart and stay alert watching waiting with lamps full of oil for this event which happens in the twinkling of an eye..
The rapture was in AD70. That shipped sailed nearly 2000 years ago.
@@danthemede323 …oh! Do you really believe that? 😮 Where, at that date, were people snatched away?
@@madwhitehare3635 i wasn't there to observe it but the NT is clear as to when it occurred. Historical sources recorded supernatural events occuring around Judea at that time. See Josephus and Tacitus for details.
Dat postmill.
Scripture says there are famines, droughts, hyperinflation, great earthquakes, violent storms, large planet killing meteorites hitting the earth, and love will grow cold (Rev 6 & 9, Matt 24).
Everybody knows they are suffering from the wrath of the Lamb in Revelation 6:15-17 as the second coming approaches. Billions (1/3 of mankind) will die (Rev 9:15).
He also returns when there is eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building and getting and given marriage (times are good). The wicked will be caught unaware or are oblivious (Matt 24:39).
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the one and only resurrection (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (verse 37).
Some fog machines and a church leadership conference with guys in 1000 suits should fix it though.
Very weak explanation in my opinion. You have to blindly ignore the contemporary world. If I was a betting man I'd bet all I had against your view
All 'mill' positions are inconsistent.
The scriptures are clear as to when the end would be. It was soon and at hand. There's no other end spoken of.
Full Preterism is true.
Full preterism is not true. The resurrection of the dead has not happened yet. 1 Corinthians 15:25-26 state that Christ must reign until all his enemies are put under His feet and that the last enemy Christ defeats is death. There are still enemies in the kingdom and people are still dying, therefore the full subduing of Christ’s enemies by the great commission and the resurrection of the dead have not happened yet. Therefore full preterism cannot be true. Partial preterism is, however, true.
Healthy, Gospel-minded churches...very few of which are postmil? Because very few are.
It’s easy to be post-mill when you spiritualize everything.
It's easy to be postmillennial when you read scripture in its historical and cultural context. ;)
@@merecatholicity yeah because this generation didn't mean this generation that is now past , but keeps getting expanded into the future.
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How so? History is firm evidence that we are globally heading into the moral sewer.
@@keithwilson6060 You seem to have a narrow view of history. And beyond that, what does scripture say of the ultimate outcome of history?
I find it hard to believe that the sin of Adam will have a more profound impact than the finished work of Christ.
@@merecatholicity the ultimate outcome of history we agree upon. You just think the ultimate outcome happened centuries ago. What does that make us, chopped liver?
The coming millennial reign of Christ will be physical, universally conspicuous even to the heathen, irresistible through his rod-of-iron rule, and evidenced by the RESURRECTION of ALL the saints.
Yeah...
The last year made me post mill
The last hear confirmed pre mil for me. The world is clearly being set for the AntiChrist and the mark of the Beast system is so obvious with the threat of no buying selling or trading without the vaccine. I bet five years from now this video will not have aged very well.
@@JD-rx2kh vaccine shows no indication that is the mark of the beast. People will know when they get the mark of the beast.
@@travis6694 I agree, I never said it was the mark of the beast. The mark doesn’t come until after the anti christ arrives, dies, and comes back to life according to Revelation. In fact, it’s why people take the mark bc it’s worship of the fact that he’s a “god.” Obv this hasn’t happened yet. But there’s no denying the technology and mindset and conditioning is here via COVID
hebrews 12:26 isnt teaching us that we are in a kingdom period.
How can one “discern the times” without the power of the Holy Ghost? If you are Cessationist or have never been baptized with fire...Keep silent about end times prophesy! “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
2 Timothy 3:5-7 KJV. Doug I pray that you come to know the Living Christ
Err, Cessationists don't deny the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, FYI.
This man jokes entirely too much for anyone to take him as serious. How is anyone to trust a person who is always joking?
Pre-millennialism is the correct end times view.
Jesus asked if He would find faith on the earth when He returns. (Luke 18:8)
No, He won’t. The entire Church at large will be predominantly lukewarm. Rev 3:14-22.
And I saw another angel ascending *from the east* having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
{Revelation 7:2}
“For as the lightning *cometh out of the east* and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
{Matthew 24:7}
And *the sixth angel* poured out his vial [plague] upon the great river Euphrates; and the water [support] thereof was dried up, *that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared*
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, *to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty*
"Behold, I come as a thief. *Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments* lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, *It is done*
{Revelation 16:12-17}
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
{Revelation 19:1-2}
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Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God*
{Revelation 19:7-9}👈
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Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
First. It's been a while that I am lol
Yet the first will be last and since I'm last I'm technically first!
@@aqqibabs 🤣🤣🤜🏾🤛🏾☄🙌🏽
FCC For Control & Chaos works well
He's sincerely wrong..based on the Bible
A problem with the Post millennial view is that, they believe Christ is ruling NOW. But Revelation 11 has the two witnesses being killed and then raised to life after three and a half days. And it says their enemies will SEE them ascend into Heaven. Then you have a great earthquake in Jerusalem that kills 7000 people. Then the seventh trumpet sounds and NOW it says, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” (notice the kingdoms of the world don't become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ UNTIL the seventh trumpet is sounded. Surely you don't think the 7th trumpet is at the very beginning of this spiritual millennial reign?") 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: “We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
This says the time of Judgment has come for the wicked and the time of reward for the prophets and the saints. I'm sorry, all this has NOT happened even yet, let alone in the first century.
We're in satans little season..
Impossible if Revelation was written in 90-95AD.
There’s almost no evidence to that. All extra biblical demonstrates that it was written in 60’sAD
@@diegovalleperez3360 The majority, by far, of historians and scholars believe revelation was written between 90-90 AD.
I’ve seen the majority of the evidence of the 90’s, is not persuasive. There’s more evidence to 60’s AD.
@@diegovalleperez3360 Again, the majority of historians and scholars date the book of revelation between 90-96 AD. You can disagree all you want that still doesn't change the fact of what historians and scholars hold to.
@John Trevett Ok, and? Like I said theres a lot of and even more evidence to 60’s AD. Historians and scholars are not perfect, they have failed multiple times. So I will stand with the majority of the evidence. The book was written in 60’s AD.