Such important info that people need to know. A lot of people think they are the problem and did something wrong when try to seed/overseed with big box products. But with 90% inert, you can do everything right and get little growth. Unreal. Great info as always Jimmy!
Jimmy, this is very important information. Especially when paying so much money for these bags of “seed”. Buying high quality seed seems expensive, but you are getting all seed. You have a beautiful lawn!!
The Vigoro was 88.91% annual rye grass with only 4.94% perennial rye grass. I would classify most of Pennington and Scott's products as "patch repair". Pennington's "The Rebels" line which wasn't shown is their only "pure seed" product, but it is coated. The Sta-Green is re-branded Pennington Sun and Shade mix. (Look at the cultivars on the tag, those are Pennington developed varieties) I use Barenbrug seed but I would caution the seed linked in the description is their yellow jacket coated seed. It's good seed I've used their RTF and RPR blends. But it will be 50% coating in the bag. You can still get their uncoated seed but you have to go through one of their distributors. I strictly use Barenbrug and Pennington seed. Scott's seed always seems to be full of weeds.
Just used the dense shade mix, sunny mix and perennial rye mix by Scott’s for lawn repair/over seeding. I guess we’ll see how it turns out but I have used those seed bags in the past and they’ve worked very nicely.
I don’t think he’s saying they won’t work, he’s pointing out a lot of the bag isn’t actually seed. You’re often paying more for convenience and a hefty markup.
Great video, very informative,as I am going through the process of picking seed for my upcoming fall overseeding, it’s very confusing, in the past I’ve just grabbed whatever was on sale at lowes usually a Scott’s product my results never wowed me just so so, now I understand why
Wow, this is so interesting, I just started taking care of my lawn (I’m super new in this) and bought 50lbs of nature’s seed and was reading their label and asking myself: what is “inert matter” but did not go check on google. Thanks for this. I picked this brand cause it actually had the kind of grass I want.
Used the local IFA brand rye grass (Chipmate) this year. Coming along nicely and I'm glad for the rain 'cause they're turning off the secondary a month early.
Great video, an educated customer knows what to look for. When you are using a coated seed such as the Barenbrug coated seed does that permit users to bypass peat moss and do you still have to lightly work it into the soil even if it is coated seed ? Thx great content as always.
Thank you. For me, I would still use a light covering material like peat moss to help retain moisture and keep the seed hidden from birds. It’s just additional insurance.
I bought from the Seed Super Store, they are expensive compared with what is on the market, but you get the same type of grass is not a mix and in 0% weeds or inert matter.
Just a question here. But I have a tall fescue blend here in south eastern Michigan and I use a Toro stripe kit. In April - Late July, stripes very well! When August gets here, it’s a different story. The edges look uniform, but the middle looks totally different. I spoon feed and it’s nice and green just doesn’t look the same! Is this common?
I got grass seed at the local hardware store this week and all 4 large bags of store branded Sun & Shade mix had different cultivars. Another reason it’s good to read the tags is that I found out this “store brand” seed was actually Barenbrug..so
@@JimmyLewisMows no. Do it Best Home Center brand. Read the tag with the cultivars and said produced by Barenbrug. $35 cheaper for that “store brand” than buying Jonathan Green or Scott’s.
Great video, But I wouldn't consider "Home Depot" or "Lowe's" your local hardware store. There's plenty of small local hardware stores (Koopmans, Ace, Menards, Barrows, True Value, Tractor Supply (ehh don't know about their seed quality)..that sell top quality seed. Just bought a 10lb bag of lesco 50/50 rye/bluegrass mix.. 99% seed. For $45 from site one landscaping supply...most small local hardware stores carry Jonathan Green which imo is just as good as any top quality seed you can buy online.
So the comparison between Pennington Smart seed INERT MATTER from home depot and Lowes is totally different. The bag from Lowes is 2.25% vrs. HD 61.38%. Am I missing something?
Wouldn’t you just need to buy extra fertilizer if it was low in inert matter? I’m sure most people just want to add a lil top soil and rake it in and done.
Question for ya! I'm in Lehi and have a small 10x10 yard in the front that past tenants have heavily neglected. The soil is completely unlevel, patches of sod didn't ever take, and the grass was already ~70% dead. I ended up deciding to just scrap it, so I bought a spray and killed the lawn off, then scalped it and attempted to dethatch it manually but the sod was so weakly taken that when dethatching it just rips up all of the dead sod. What would you recommend I do from this point? I was intending to till it, rake out all the organic matter I could, then add a bit of soil to level it out, roll it, seed it, and go from there. Only concern would be the few sprinklers I have in there right now. Perhaps I can just dig them out as a whole unit and set them aside then reinstall after I till? Whatcha think?
I filed a complaint with the attorney general in my state about the seed contents and most people thinking they are getting the amount of seed of what the pounds on the bag says. They sent me an email saying they are looking into it.
Jimmy, please enlighten me where I can go online and purchase Barrinbrug seed I've been to thier website and you can't buy it there. Unless you're uhm YOU and they send it to you I've looked high and low and i can't buy it
Is there a specific product you're interested in? DoMyOwn is a distributor for Barenbrug, and their products are linked on my website, found in the description of this video.
@@JimmyLewisMows did you just add those things or did I just not realize they were under Products and not shop sorry if that's the case. Also I have seen people looking for the new Provista KBG seed any ideas where they can find that?
@@mkzenthusiasts Yeah grass seed has always been under Products. No worries. I honestly don't know where to find Provista KBG seed right now. There are some sod farms that I know of that are exclusive dealers for Provista, but I haven't heard anything about seed yet.
@@JimmyLewisMows allyn said something about seed on his podcast a couple weeks ago. I figure it's way to new for seed to the consumer. SCOTTS needs to reep its rewards from sod first I would think
You did not do a good job of explaining the difference in pure seed, uncoated without moisture holding agents or fertilizer and coated seed with moisture holding agents and fertilizer and when or how to use each. Inert matter can be non helpful fillers or it can be beneficial. You also did not specify if you were choosing a product for a new lawn or an overseed or a fix. Good video but lacking key points. Happy Mowing !!!
Thank you. I think those are fair points and I could have gone into that, but the point I’m making is that there is clearly no standard for what falls into the inert matter category. It’s just anything that’s not seed. As we see it can be the coating, it can be peat moss, fertilizer, etc. For what it’s worth, I think the coating technology is awesome. But it’s very different than the remaining half of the bag being filled with fertilizer. It’s a pretty interesting topic and I think it shows that there’s lots of room for improvement and transparency in seed marketing. There’s still lots to learn here and I’m glad we can start having conversations like this. Thanks for your input.
Umm I made another video that I referenced in this one. I go through the entire label including weed and other crop. This video was specific to inert matter.
@@JimmyLewisMows why wouldnt you just point that out as well? Also, the seed brands you are promoting also have weed seeds and other crop seeds. That should be clearly pointed out as well in this video.
Such important info that people need to know. A lot of people think they are the problem and did something wrong when try to seed/overseed with big box products. But with 90% inert, you can do everything right and get little growth. Unreal. Great info as always Jimmy!
Jimmy, this is very important information. Especially when paying so much money for these bags of “seed”. Buying high quality seed seems expensive, but you are getting all seed. You have a beautiful lawn!!
The thought of this never crossed my mind. Spending money on stuff that won’t grow expecting it to grow. Great video Jimmy 👍
Thank you. Still lots to learn about all of this. But I’m happy we can at least get the conversation started.
good video, overseeding this weekend and this info is very helpful. Thank you
The Vigoro was 88.91% annual rye grass with only 4.94% perennial rye grass. I would classify most of Pennington and Scott's products as "patch repair". Pennington's "The Rebels" line which wasn't shown is their only "pure seed" product, but it is coated. The Sta-Green is re-branded Pennington Sun and Shade mix. (Look at the cultivars on the tag, those are Pennington developed varieties) I use Barenbrug seed but I would caution the seed linked in the description is their yellow jacket coated seed. It's good seed I've used their RTF and RPR blends. But it will be 50% coating in the bag. You can still get their uncoated seed but you have to go through one of their distributors. I strictly use Barenbrug and Pennington seed. Scott's seed always seems to be full of weeds.
Great points. Thanks for providing this additional information!
Just used the dense shade mix, sunny mix and perennial rye mix by Scott’s for lawn repair/over seeding. I guess we’ll see how it turns out but I have used those seed bags in the past and they’ve worked very nicely.
I don’t think he’s saying they won’t work, he’s pointing out a lot of the bag isn’t actually seed. You’re often paying more for convenience and a hefty markup.
Great video, very informative,as I am going through the process of picking seed for my upcoming fall overseeding, it’s very confusing, in the past I’ve just grabbed whatever was on sale at lowes usually a Scott’s product my results never wowed me just so so, now I understand why
Wow, this is so interesting, I just started taking care of my lawn (I’m super new in this) and bought 50lbs of nature’s seed and was reading their label and asking myself: what is “inert matter” but did not go check on google. Thanks for this. I picked this brand cause it actually had the kind of grass I want.
Glad I could help. Natures seed is a good company. Great products. I’m very happy with my lawn and it’s qualities.
Used the local IFA brand rye grass (Chipmate) this year. Coming along nicely and I'm glad for the rain 'cause they're turning off the secondary a month early.
Great Video Jimmy. Very important. Don't waste your money.
Great video, an educated customer knows what to look for. When you are using a coated seed such as the Barenbrug coated seed does that permit users to bypass peat moss and do you still have to lightly work it into the soil even if it is coated seed ? Thx great content as always.
Thank you. For me, I would still use a light covering material like peat moss to help retain moisture and keep the seed hidden from birds. It’s just additional insurance.
Great video learn a lot about buying grass Thanks
after watching this I was curious and checked my sure shot KBG blend from united seeds. it's 1.03%. great video👍
United Seeds tttf Valkyrie inert is .63 ( point 63), their 4'th Millennium is . 98 ( point 98).
I bought from the Seed Super Store, they are expensive compared with what is on the market, but you get the same type of grass is not a mix and in 0% weeds or inert matter.
Just a question here. But I have a tall fescue blend here in south eastern Michigan and I use a Toro stripe kit. In April - Late July, stripes very well! When August gets here, it’s a different story. The edges look uniform, but the middle looks totally different. I spoon feed and it’s nice and green just doesn’t look the same! Is this common?
Thank you for the advice!
Wow I never look thanks for the advice 👍
I got grass seed at the local hardware store this week and all 4 large bags of store branded Sun & Shade mix had different cultivars. Another reason it’s good to read the tags is that I found out this “store brand” seed was actually Barenbrug..so
Vigaro?
@@JimmyLewisMows no. Do it Best Home Center brand. Read the tag with the cultivars and said produced by Barenbrug. $35 cheaper for that “store brand” than buying Jonathan Green or Scott’s.
That was good I learned something today thanks brother
Great video, But I wouldn't consider "Home Depot" or "Lowe's" your local hardware store. There's plenty of small local hardware stores (Koopmans, Ace, Menards, Barrows, True Value, Tractor Supply (ehh don't know about their seed quality)..that sell top quality seed. Just bought a 10lb bag of lesco 50/50 rye/bluegrass mix.. 99% seed. For $45 from site one landscaping supply...most small local hardware stores carry Jonathan Green which imo is just as good as any top quality seed you can buy online.
So the comparison between Pennington Smart seed INERT MATTER from home depot and Lowes is totally different. The bag from Lowes is 2.25% vrs. HD 61.38%. Am I missing something?
Very informative.
Wouldn’t you just need to buy extra fertilizer if it was low in inert matter? I’m sure most people just want to add a lil top soil and rake it in and done.
Also check the use by dates !!!
I believe Jonathan green ultra seed is the best. Only sold at ace hardware stores in I believe.
Those coatings take up a lot of the bag, over 50% in most cases.
Question for ya! I'm in Lehi and have a small 10x10 yard in the front that past tenants have heavily neglected. The soil is completely unlevel, patches of sod didn't ever take, and the grass was already ~70% dead.
I ended up deciding to just scrap it, so I bought a spray and killed the lawn off, then scalped it and attempted to dethatch it manually but the sod was so weakly taken that when dethatching it just rips up all of the dead sod.
What would you recommend I do from this point?
I was intending to till it, rake out all the organic matter I could, then add a bit of soil to level it out, roll it, seed it, and go from there. Only concern would be the few sprinklers I have in there right now. Perhaps I can just dig them out as a whole unit and set them aside then reinstall after I till? Whatcha think?
Hey Keaton. Could you shoot me an email with some pictures of the site? jimmy@jimmylewismows.com
Weed seed percentage matters too
Yes it does
My stores are out of almost everything, only thing they had left was Fescue31 and a few PRG blends.
Looked like a ghost town on the shelves
I filed a complaint with the attorney general in my state about the seed contents and most people thinking they are getting the amount of seed of what the pounds on the bag says. They sent me an email saying they are looking into it.
I looked at a bag Scotts 20 lbs. bag of seed with the seed coating and there were only 12 lbs. of seed!
You should do a comparison now between Yard Mastery Fertilizer and Big Box store brand. Most of the time big box store is cheaper per application.
Yes
I went with barunbrug because of the name but don’t rate it much better on the market it my opinion
Interesting... Some count the seed coating as inert matter and others don't....
I noticed that too
First Aussie 😁.
Jimmy, please enlighten me where I can go online and purchase Barrinbrug seed
I've been to thier website and you can't buy it there. Unless you're uhm YOU and they send it to you I've looked high and low and i can't buy it
Is there a specific product you're interested in? DoMyOwn is a distributor for Barenbrug, and their products are linked on my website, found in the description of this video.
@@JimmyLewisMows did you just add those things or did I just not realize they were under Products and not shop sorry if that's the case. Also I have seen people looking for the new Provista KBG seed any ideas where they can find that?
@@mkzenthusiasts Yeah grass seed has always been under Products. No worries. I honestly don't know where to find Provista KBG seed right now. There are some sod farms that I know of that are exclusive dealers for Provista, but I haven't heard anything about seed yet.
@@JimmyLewisMows allyn said something about seed on his podcast a couple weeks ago. I figure it's way to new for seed to the consumer. SCOTTS needs to reep its rewards from sod first I would think
@@mkzenthusiasts I believe that.
$60 for 7lbs of Scott’s seed of which 51% is inert matter. $60 for 7 lbs. that’s crazy
This is why I don’t buy from big box stores… I’m more worried about weed seed … I buy 100% seed no filler , or weed seed…. Only way to go
You yanks have way more choices than us poor brits
You did not do a good job of explaining the difference in pure seed, uncoated without moisture holding agents or fertilizer and coated seed with moisture holding agents and fertilizer and when or how to use each. Inert matter can be non helpful fillers or it can be beneficial. You also did not specify if you were choosing a product for a new lawn or an overseed or a fix.
Good video but lacking key points.
Happy Mowing !!!
Agreed. Some of these have mulch, fertilizer, and/or seed coating, which is intentional inert matter and can be helpful.
Thank you. I think those are fair points and I could have gone into that, but the point I’m making is that there is clearly no standard for what falls into the inert matter category. It’s just anything that’s not seed. As we see it can be the coating, it can be peat moss, fertilizer, etc.
For what it’s worth, I think the coating technology is awesome. But it’s very different than the remaining half of the bag being filled with fertilizer.
It’s a pretty interesting topic and I think it shows that there’s lots of room for improvement and transparency in seed marketing. There’s still lots to learn here and I’m glad we can start having conversations like this. Thanks for your input.
Amazing how much useless product is in the bags yet some of those 7lb bags were nearly $60.
Umm you need to point out something just as important. Weed and other crops percentage!
Umm I made another video that I referenced in this one. I go through the entire label including weed and other crop. This video was specific to inert matter.
@@JimmyLewisMows why wouldnt you just point that out as well? Also, the seed brands you are promoting also have weed seeds and other crop seeds. That should be clearly pointed out as well in this video.
This should be against the law. No wonder I order all my seed online.