It sounds like a jet when it decelerates! (1:02-1:10) Quiet, though. And strange. To think, this will sound as special to future bus nuts as a DT466E, ISB 5.9 (6.7 even), or T444E does to us!
The system check you were hearing was the ABS and on most modern air brake vehicles you can hear it (note if you step on the brake pedal during the system check it sounds like the system spits at you)
As someone who is completely blind, I have two kids of my own who are currently in grade school. I got to ride on a school bus for the first time in about 35 years. I went on my daughters sixth grade field trip and I noticed, at least here in the Boise school district the school buses have the 6.7 L Cummins engine in them. I don’t think we have any gasoline school buses at all.
@@Cowboy66SEVENThey are not. They are comparable to gasoline engines in most respects, except that the equipment needed to make them as such is much more expensive to buy and maintain than with gasoline engines… Edit: wrote diesel instead of gasoline…
My school district just received four of these this week from Truck King International. Quite shocking to see them after 15 years of ordering Thomas EFXs and C2s, quite excited to see how these do, I've always liked internationals over Thomas by far !
Wow compared to the old Loadstar 1700’s with the AT 540’s I used to ride this thing is whisper quiet. Inside of the bus probably doesn’t smell like gas either.
The Allison does a good job of keeping the engine within it's low power band. Our school district just order internationals with the Cummins. They are phasing out the maxxforce engines that are junk. I suggested them ordering buses with propane or natural gas to avoid the problematic nature of the new diesels. I hope the Cummins is better
My district mainly has Diesel buses, diesel powered vehicles have a hard time starting in cold weather, so it make since to have Gasoline powered Buses
The blinker is louder than the 8.8 liter engine I like it at least aint got worry about damn dpf failures on those cummins our fleet need a guy with laptop running around after each bus trying to force a regeneration, turbo actuators always failing u name it junk bring back the old DT 360 MECHANICALS AND DT 466 .
@@KodieS Diesel dt 360 or 466 back in 1989 was good not now days better off gas engine when only racking up 9000 miles year on school bus. we ran DT 466 5 speed manuals with 2 speed axle and air operated radiator shutters, with low air pressure wig wags in windshield with stop sign if you remember, 10 fronts 21000 rears on cast spoke wheels
@@KodieSunfortunately. The amount of years my district is getting out of the DT will outpace the amount of years out of all the Cummins buses. They won’t last as long anymore.
put a hellcat engine in the school bus. I wonder what that would be like. These engines are incredible for gas engine producing a thousand foot pounds of torque it's very impressive
It certainly would be faster with a hellcat engine. Probably would get the bus to 60 in less than 25 seconds but I’m not sure if It’ll have enough torque to pull the load of kids.
This one had fairly low mileage. There's an area where the doghouse cover mounts to the front of the cab that squeaks pretty badly when its cold because of the plastic and rubber gasket. I kept the heat off for most of the video because of the noise. Once they warm up, the squeaking in that area stops fortunately. The other problem is the driver seat, though this one had not been greased most likely.
Should these gasoline buses have hydraulic brakes? Because cars have hydraulic brakes, not air brakes, and cars usually run on gasoline. Air brakes are for more of heavy diesel vehicles.
The fuel type doesn't really dictate what braking system the bus is equipped with. They're two entirely different, independent systems. Air brakes are designed for heavy vehicles and are basically fail safe. Worst case scenario, the air system loses pressure and the brakes lock up. With a hydraulic braking system, if hydraulic pressure is lost you've got no brakes at all unless you manually activate the emergency brake.
@@KodieS My district in upstate New York considering if it's a good idea to buy gas bus's but there is a lot of hills in my area so I was just trying to look into it, and from your answer it seems to be a bad decision to do that correct
@@KodieS Will you consider to make a video of the downsides in the upsides from a gas bus vs diesel? I can't find such a video on RUclips yet I think it's going to be very helpful for a lot of people to understand the difference
Horsepower is not a standard rating across the industry. It comes down to the engine displacement (size of the cylinder bore and piston travel). The Cummins diesel starts at 200HP and goes up to 260HP in school bus.
It’s a bus and torque is more important when you’re that heavy. Also, The more horsepower these things make, the faster stuff wears out like the transmission, engine and axles. They would burn up transmissions if they made like 500 hp or more.
@@aleax5670 Don't know where you're getting those nonsense numbers from. It varies by route and area, but if you exceed 8 or 9mpg with a gasoline school bus, you're out of the ordinary.
@@TristanSpeno I did think that. However some research into why the vast majority of 70s, 80s and 90's large capacity V8s (cars mostly) were so underpowered is due to emissions regulations. The car from National Lampoon's Vacation "family truckster " had a 5.0 V8 with "only" 120bhp. The 3 speed Auto gearbox used a decent chunk of that 120bhp. Meaning you had a large, underpowered car . Heavy and with poor aerodynamics it was incredibly thirsty. The lack of power meant the engine had to work hard to build up speed with a gearbox not good at reducing stress and workload. So surely the reliability would suffer. On another comment section I said I believed the dodge viper would be very reliable. Low tech engine, low revs etc. I was shot down in flames.
05-56 of T-N Okaloosa (FL) does... but it overheated yesterday and is now very likely sitting in the shop while it gets a swap off the DT466E that Escambia County put in it. Dammit Trans-North!
My district has 3 CEs with this engine. The exhaust note is amazing.
I like how the exhaust sounds it's sounds nice
Sounds very smooth with PSI 8.8L LPG V8 like Bluebird Vision’s Ford 6.8L Tritón V10
Love it. Upstate NY. Rode buses in 4 states, and I still think NYS drivers are trained the best.
It sounds like a jet when it decelerates! (1:02-1:10) Quiet, though. And strange. To think, this will sound as special to future bus nuts as a DT466E, ISB 5.9 (6.7 even), or T444E does to us!
Neat bus, pretty cool how you could hear the system check from outside the bus at the beginning of your video
The system check you were hearing was the ABS and on most modern air brake vehicles you can hear it (note if you step on the brake pedal during the system check it sounds like the system spits at you)
I love the sound of the gasoline engine!
@@jeromedavis8575 Thats not related to the conversation those 2 had
@@a-dog8075 OK.
@@a-dog8075 Still, it sounds cool along with the system checks.
I'd love to see the engine up close starting up and idling. Nice gasoline engine!
As someone who is completely blind, I have two kids of my own who are currently in grade school. I got to ride on a school bus for the first time in about 35 years. I went on my daughters sixth grade field trip and I noticed, at least here in the Boise school district the school buses have the 6.7 L Cummins engine in them. I don’t think we have any gasoline school buses at all.
i like how gasoline buses have come back into style cuz the epa killed diesels
Accelerates from traffic lights "And theres another 100 dollars"
Even though diesels are WAAY better for the environment
@@Cowboy66SEVEN Only in terms of Co2 output. Everything else is worse.
The EPA put emissions controls that are the same for everyone. Gasoline is coming back because it is expensive and fiddly to make diesels comply.
@@Cowboy66SEVENThey are not. They are comparable to gasoline engines in most respects, except that the equipment needed to make them as such is much more expensive to buy and maintain than with gasoline engines…
Edit: wrote diesel instead of gasoline…
My school district just received four of these this week from Truck King International. Quite shocking to see them after 15 years of ordering Thomas EFXs and C2s, quite excited to see how these do, I've always liked internationals over Thomas by far !
My school district has recently started buying Thomas C2s again, there's one that goes to one of the schools in the area.
3:59 There's the Amtrak Lake Shore (Late for sure) limited.
CSXRailfan2 Yep, that’s train 48 with 145 trailing third. Best part of the video IMO
I heard and saw it too!
Was That a Nathan K5la Train Horn?
@@thomasday2351 yes
4:03 nice you caught a Phase III heritage P42 unit
4:00 Great catch of Amtrak P42DC 145-the Phase III heritage unit on Lake Shore Limited 48!
Delete this comment now
what the hell happened in the replies
@@alexandergrube6437 some idiots just being toxic for no reason
4:00 Great catch of Amtrak P42DC 145-the Phase III heritage unit on Lake Shore Limited 48!
@@zacharymakutu2360 now was that really necessary my guy?
My district had started getting these around late 2020 - early 2021, and one of them rides by my house every day to a school near it.
Wow compared to the old Loadstar 1700’s with the AT 540’s I used to ride this thing is whisper quiet. Inside of the bus probably doesn’t smell like gas either.
Music to my ears 💛💛💛💛
Jonathan Bradle that’s very true I ride in a ic ce propane 2021 794 special ed spring ISD 👍🏻😍
Nothing compared to the Loadstar and S series gas engines from the late 70s - early 80s
Wow it's so quiet. Nice!
The Allison does a good job of keeping the engine within it's low power band. Our school district just order internationals with the Cummins. They are phasing out the maxxforce engines that are junk. I suggested them ordering buses with propane or natural gas to avoid the problematic nature of the new diesels. I hope the Cummins is better
Some of their stuff is known for DPF faults. I would stay away.
@@unconventionalideas5683sounds like Cummins isn’t any better 🤔
Nice video!
my 2008 Cadilac Escalade sounds like this bus
I hope this bus how the third gen’s sound pretty smooth I like it
Sounds good!
Trying to like the sound of these gasoline and propane engines. The diesels sound so much better
For some reason I love how loud the diesels r
@BUGATTI SS Me too and louder is better IMO
@@bugattiss4314diesels sound so meaty and big and I love it.
My district mainly has Diesel buses, diesel powered vehicles have a hard time starting in cold weather, so it make since to have Gasoline powered Buses
Now ye gotta drive the 2019 IC RE
Hopeful for an opportunity in the next few months - RE's are extremely rare in New York these days.
I agree. I'd also like to see the gas engine up close.
@@KodieS I love the sound of the gasoline v8! I'd love to see it idle up close and hear it too!
@@KodieS what's the clicking noises when you turnt the key on before you started the bus?
@@dustinlanphear422 That's the ABS system run its self check. Any bus with air brakes will do this.
3:34 right when a train is coming, reminds me of USA truck simulator
These are a pleasure to own.
if im not mistaken its very similar to the 454
8.8x61=534ci....Chevy has a 540 rat motor so close enough.
My district has gasoline visions, no CE's
My IC CE Has The PSI Engine But It’s A Propane With 270 HP
These things sound wicked
The blinker is louder than the 8.8 liter engine I like it at least aint got worry about damn dpf failures on those cummins our fleet need a guy with laptop running around after each bus trying to force a regeneration, turbo actuators always failing u name it junk bring back the old DT 360 MECHANICALS AND DT 466 .
Sadly the EPA requirements now have killed the diesel engine. The school bus duty cycle just isn't a good match with a diesel anymore.
@@KodieS Diesel dt 360 or 466 back in 1989 was good not now days better off gas engine when only racking up 9000 miles year on school bus. we ran DT 466 5 speed manuals with 2 speed axle and air operated radiator shutters, with low air pressure wig wags in windshield with stop sign if you remember, 10 fronts 21000 rears on cast spoke wheels
@@KodieSunfortunately. The amount of years my district is getting out of the DT will outpace the amount of years out of all the Cummins buses. They won’t last as long anymore.
put a hellcat engine in the school bus. I wonder what that would be like. These engines are incredible for gas engine producing a thousand foot pounds of torque it's very impressive
It certainly would be faster with a hellcat engine. Probably would get the bus to 60 in less than 25 seconds but I’m not sure if It’ll have enough torque to pull the load of kids.
Great video! Gasoline buses are making a comeback!
And, why aren’t they on Type Ds?
@@superbrownsheep3777 type D’s are too heavy for gas engines to be viable.
@@charlesrodriguez7984 Why not just use a larger Gas engine, the PSI 10 or 11.1L
@@DeadChan67they can use natural gas instead. I see natural gas powered trash trucks a lot.
Request: Make a video of this bus's turn signal sounds! (Without the engine on or background noises)
David Devine Lots of people will use the audio in Rigs of Rods. Just so ya know
CentralJerseyRailfan Not necessarily a bad thing
@@5.43v it's fine, not sure if Kodie wants the RoR players to give credit though
@@5.43v Kodie does not record that stuff for that exact reason
Nice bus
Must be in New York State!
Can you do another bus video
How many miles were on the odo at the time of the test drive? Sounds a bit rattly.
This one had fairly low mileage. There's an area where the doghouse cover mounts to the front of the cab that squeaks pretty badly when its cold because of the plastic and rubber gasket. I kept the heat off for most of the video because of the noise. Once they warm up, the squeaking in that area stops fortunately. The other problem is the driver seat, though this one had not been greased most likely.
Why do you prefer gasoline to diesel in this type of vehicle?.
Beautiful 2019 IC CE 300!
gasoline not a diesel silly c;
@@raychoncla1175 Ik it's gas.
Damion 2-16 They do not use the 200-300 designations anymore.
@@KodieS Wow really?
Damion 2-16 correct. That stopped in 2012/2013, somewhere around there.
My school district has a propane IC CE
If you still get this bus, I'd like tto seee the engine and hear it up close and personal.
Can you please do another bus driving video thanks
I would imagine that the door alarm gets annoying
If this bus was my bus I'd have hydraulic brakes instead of air brakes
It sounds like it is running with a BMW engine. Correct me if I am wrong.
That's not correct. It's an 8.8L engine built by Power Solutions International in Chicago. Originally the 8.1L GM engine, redesigned into an 8.8.
This is a engine based off a GM big block
GM fan our 12 year old Escalade sounds like this bus
@@markmccormick4461 ok? Its still based off a gm 8.1l block and heads
Do you know what district’s in the WNY area are getting gas CEs? I’d love to see one at some point.
There are a ton of them out there.
How many gears does the transmission have?
5 Plus overdrive
I like that bus
how come if its a V8 would it be continuing the 200 model?
I like trains kid Channel
There is no longer a 200 or 300 designation. That’s been gone for years.
@@KodieS since 2015
@Dustin LanphearIt's the law. Because a few accidents already happened where a school bus was hit by a train
@Dustin Lanphear all bus drivers do that
Very nice. Any deliveries in Western New York or nah?
Many, yes.
@@KodieS Awesome
Nice bus video Kodie. It stills run like a charm. What bus number was that?
Rudy Briseno 133
4:02 Phase III Heritage Unit.!!!!
Should these gasoline buses have hydraulic brakes? Because cars have hydraulic brakes, not air brakes, and cars usually run on gasoline. Air brakes are for more of heavy diesel vehicles.
The fuel type doesn't really dictate what braking system the bus is equipped with. They're two entirely different, independent systems. Air brakes are designed for heavy vehicles and are basically fail safe. Worst case scenario, the air system loses pressure and the brakes lock up. With a hydraulic braking system, if hydraulic pressure is lost you've got no brakes at all unless you manually activate the emergency brake.
@Dustin Lanphear North Tonawanda New York
Is this northern Missouri?
No, Western New York.
New York
Will you prefer a gasoline engine vs Commons diesel engines? When it comes to performance and going up hills?
Definitely not. Diesels climb way better.
@@KodieS My district in upstate New York considering if it's a good idea to buy gas bus's but there is a lot of hills in my area so I was just trying to look into it, and from your answer it seems to be a bad decision to do that correct
@@Epsteinc not necessarily. Diesels will climb better by design but there are plenty of districts in hilly terrain with gas and propane buses.
@@KodieS Will you consider to make a video of the downsides in the upsides from a gas bus vs diesel? I can't find such a video on RUclips yet I think it's going to be very helpful for a lot of people to understand the difference
Ok now... don't get me wrong, the engine sounds amazing... but I googled the engine and it makes as much power as my mom's Camry...
Horsepower is not a standard rating across the industry. It comes down to the engine displacement (size of the cylinder bore and piston travel). The Cummins diesel starts at 200HP and goes up to 260HP in school bus.
High torque. 660 lb ft if I’m right?
It’s a school bus, the amount of power the engine makes is enough
It’s a bus and torque is more important when you’re that heavy. Also, The more horsepower these things make, the faster stuff wears out like the transmission, engine and axles. They would burn up transmissions if they made like 500 hp or more.
Are you still a bus driver
Cool
0:08
the main thing i wanted to see was the tach...
4:02 AMTK 145!!!!!!
Fuel mileage on a regular route?
15mpg to be exact
@@aleax5670 Actually not that bad!
@@EdPMur most likely they get around almost 20mpg if you drive economy instead of going above 65mph
@@aleax5670 Don't know where you're getting those nonsense numbers from. It varies by route and area, but if you exceed 8 or 9mpg with a gasoline school bus, you're out of the ordinary.
@@KodieS sorry ☹️ I guess I didn't research fast enough on school buses
265bhp from an 8.8 litre V8 is criminal.
It's meant to move a heavy bus around 5 days a week, for over a decade straight. It's all low speed, reliable torque.
designed for reliability, not power
@@TristanSpeno I did think that. However some research into why the vast majority of 70s, 80s and 90's large capacity V8s (cars mostly) were so underpowered is due to emissions regulations. The car from National Lampoon's Vacation "family truckster " had a 5.0 V8 with "only" 120bhp. The 3 speed Auto gearbox used a decent chunk of that 120bhp. Meaning you had a large, underpowered car . Heavy and with poor aerodynamics it was incredibly thirsty. The lack of power meant the engine had to work hard to build up speed with a gearbox not good at reducing stress and workload. So surely the reliability would suffer. On another comment section I said I believed the dodge viper would be very reliable. Low tech engine, low revs etc. I was shot down in flames.
That motor sounds way too high pitched and the slower that the driver is driving it the worse it gets.
Does it have radio in it so that way you can put music 🎼 I want to here the speakers 🔊😍👍🏻
You will not hear the speakers if he gets a copyright strike
05-56 of T-N Okaloosa (FL) does... but it overheated yesterday and is now very likely sitting in the shop while it gets a swap off the DT466E that Escambia County put in it.
Dammit Trans-North!
You are not supposed to do that in a school bus 🤫
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