Nice review bryan. I ended up choosing Labyrinth over Twilight Struggle. I hate that these games have a bit of foreknowledge requirement, you know like, dont put resources into japan because of that ONE card because its a usa gimme. If you have labyrinth, ever thought of doing a comparison? Do you have the expansion Twilight Struggle: Turn Zero ?
Stuart George no I don't have either of these. I'm trying to get Labyrinth and 1989, but can't get my hands on it. I definitely will do a comparison if I do though.
Just as a quick correction... and to terrify everyone, a hydrogen bomb is at least 1,000 times more powerful than the atomic bomb we dropped on Hiroshima. The Soviets made (and even tested) the largest nuclear bomb ever, called the Tsar Bomba, which was equivalent to 3,800 Hiroshima bombs. O_o Yeah.
KabukiKid very true! Thanks for that. Love history no matter how terrifying lol? Have you listened to the latest Hardcore History podcast episode about this? Fascinating!
I haven't heard that, but I think I will have to go seek it out now. :-) Thanks! Edit: Subscribed to your RUclips channel and listening to that podcast you recommended now. :-) Thanks again!
Bryan, I slagged you off because of THAT video, but never again. This review shows you caring about games, and actually telling us about the game. Ten out of ten. You can come out from under the table now.
I wanted to enjoy this game. I played it several times hoping and hoping....nope. This game fits into a category of game I call "the system". You can't enjoy this game unless you know "the system". You need to know so much about what is in the game in order to play the game (correctly). i.e. "Oh, THAT scoring card hasn't come out yet so I better do XYZ." Other games that employ "the system" are Seasons and MTG (pretty much all CGGs). It's not that I don't think the system is good. It's not that I don't think I would enjoy the system. It's that I have soooo many games on my shelf and I want to play all of them (and I do). If I need to invest 10 plays of a specific game just so I can learn the system, then I probably won't be interested in that game. First, that's a lot of other games I can't play, just so I can learn this ONE game. Second, I need to play it often enough to remember all the nuances. Third, I need to find other players who are just as learned in the game in order to enjoy it. Then, for Twilight Struggle in particular, I need to find someone who wants to play a 2+ hour game (usually closer to 3 hours). I understand this is a fabulous game. I understand they captured the historical significance. I understand why people love this game. I will just never play it again.
Rico Cordova Good points man, the plus for me is that the times I played in person (vs. the app) were me verses another newbie so it was all fresh to us.
I think with every game ever the trade-off is between the time taken to learn the game vs the depth of potential strategic possibilities. Chances are that if you know the game back to front after one play through, then it really isn't going to offer much longevity. Conversely something like Twilight Struggle, which is for sure daunting to being with, offers endless play-throughs and tends to reflect genuine skill difference.
Nice review bryan. I ended up choosing Labyrinth over Twilight Struggle. I hate that these games have a bit of foreknowledge requirement, you know like, dont put resources into japan because of that ONE card because its a usa gimme. If you have labyrinth, ever thought of doing a comparison? Do you have the expansion Twilight Struggle: Turn Zero ?
Stuart George no I don't have either of these. I'm trying to get Labyrinth and 1989, but can't get my hands on it. I definitely will do a comparison if I do though.
Stuart George but you are right though. There's almost a little meta gaming for these.
Stuart George Labyrinth is otw to me so this may happen sooner than later.
Just as a quick correction... and to terrify everyone, a hydrogen bomb is at least 1,000 times more powerful than the atomic bomb we dropped on Hiroshima. The Soviets made (and even tested) the largest nuclear bomb ever, called the Tsar Bomba, which was equivalent to 3,800 Hiroshima bombs. O_o Yeah.
KabukiKid very true! Thanks for that. Love history no matter how terrifying lol? Have you listened to the latest Hardcore History podcast episode about this? Fascinating!
I haven't heard that, but I think I will have to go seek it out now. :-) Thanks!
Edit: Subscribed to your RUclips channel and listening to that podcast you recommended now. :-) Thanks again!
KabukiKid lol thanks! That's an incredible history show.
Yeah, I'm enjoying it, so far. 6 hours, though! Oof! lol :-D
Bryan's reviews are something else :)
Diego Lima I hope that's a good something lol!!!
Bryan, I slagged you off because of THAT video, but never again. This review shows you caring about games, and actually telling us about the game. Ten out of ten. You can come out from under the table now.
And loool!!! Thanks so much for giving me another shot!
Great review. My favourite game by far.
I enjoy the tension in Wir Sind Das Volk more, but TS is such a great game. Really loving High treason, can't get enough of it.
Love this game. My favourite.
I wanted to enjoy this game. I played it several times hoping and hoping....nope. This game fits into a category of game I call "the system". You can't enjoy this game unless you know "the system". You need to know so much about what is in the game in order to play the game (correctly). i.e. "Oh, THAT scoring card hasn't come out yet so I better do XYZ."
Other games that employ "the system" are Seasons and MTG (pretty much all CGGs). It's not that I don't think the system is good. It's not that I don't think I would enjoy the system. It's that I have soooo many games on my shelf and I want to play all of them (and I do). If I need to invest 10 plays of a specific game just so I can learn the system, then I probably won't be interested in that game. First, that's a lot of other games I can't play, just so I can learn this ONE game. Second, I need to play it often enough to remember all the nuances. Third, I need to find other players who are just as learned in the game in order to enjoy it. Then, for Twilight Struggle in particular, I need to find someone who wants to play a 2+ hour game (usually closer to 3 hours).
I understand this is a fabulous game. I understand they captured the historical significance. I understand why people love this game. I will just never play it again.
Rico Cordova Good points man, the plus for me is that the times I played in person (vs. the app) were me verses another newbie so it was all fresh to us.
I think with every game ever the trade-off is between the time taken to learn the game vs the depth of potential strategic possibilities. Chances are that if you know the game back to front after one play through, then it really isn't going to offer much longevity. Conversely something like Twilight Struggle, which is for sure daunting to being with, offers endless play-throughs and tends to reflect genuine skill difference.