3D Printed Fractal Vise (WIP!!!)
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I said it in the video but ill say it again, it works but is a WIP and I will probably change some things as I polish it in the future. I think what I have so far is a good proof of concept that these vises can be 3D printed effectively. Even this early version still holds things very well!
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My name is Chris, I am a 3D printing hobbyist from australia. I dont really specialise in anything specific, but 3D printed tools and tabletop accessories are some things youll probably seen quiet often. I do all my 3d printing on a Ender 3, which I highly recommend as a budget printer. Currently I only run 1 printer but I hope to expand that in the future. Recently acquired a photon 0 to do resin printing with. I like to share all my 3D printing ideas for free although I do plan to sell stuff in the future. Most of my projects will be mostly 3D printed with a few non printed components included, these can often be found on ebay. I actually use the cheapest filament I can get for all my projects, again I hope to change this in the future.
Finished version!!!
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This is of great interest.
Likewise this comment.
Whoa, just commented on HTRs video that I wanted to see this 3D printed!!
All hail the algorithm...
On of your best videos. I don't understand why this type of vise isn't common.
@@Borgedesigns good video friend. i am an oenula in metal carving and vise prices are insane. can this be made in a round shape? I was thinking if it was put on top of a bowling ball. in a round shape and installed in a bowling ball it will be beautiful, I beg you to make it in a round shape🙏🙏
@@Borgedesigns in the world of jewelry carving. there is a multi-function chisel sharpener for pneumatic chisel angles, just make one on your channel
So cool! I really wanted to make one after seeing the restoration vid too, it's fascinating.
Thanks! Im happy with how well it converted to 3D printing, its interesting how many people had the same thought about making a printed one.
Lol I came yo say the same
Ditto lol
@@Borgedesigns fantastic model! As a few have pointed out on thingiverse, the sliding jaw is missing from the STLs.
Please do your version too. This could go so many directions…
Well done!
I think a fractal vice deserves a video from you, Destin!
I'm down if you are!
I think it's too simple for this dudes brain. He wants to understand crazy stuff at a fundamental level. Though this vice is amazing
thankyou! Glad you like it, I love your content!
Holy crap the whole "building cool stuff" gang is here.
So cool!! Well executed!
Thanks! Ive got a few of your projects on my to make list once ive got my new workspace :)
I guess we all watched the restoration and wanted one! Great print Chris!
When i saw the restoration first i was immediately inspired to design my own vice. Cool that you made a real working one.
i think the magic that makes it work is that the axis each "jaw" rotates on is outside the perimeter of the part. Thus, when force is applied, the jaw naturally wants to rotate in-line with the force applied. So I feel like the "nubs" you have on the final jaws might reduce the effectiveness a bit
yeah im working on a proper set at the moment, still printing at the moment!
I love it. It is just about perfect for my needs. I have safety concerns when it comes to power tools and irregularly shaped rocks. I could see modifying it so that you have another piece on each side that allows there to be a gap under the item being held. When I left the military a few years ago I had developed problems with my hands that result in numbness at times in my hands and sever pain in my wrist and elbows. I think it is time I tell my son what I want him to print for me with his 3D printer. He has been asking me for a while but there are so many things but nothing like this, the type of vice I've been trying to find for a few years now. Great work.
Im glad I can help! If you dont mind me asking what specifically do you do with the rocks?
“A little less than half” sounds like a more likely measurement to me than “exactly half”. 48% sounds good.
i can imagine exactly half causing issues
Exactly half means no clearances… clearances matter…
"0.48%" Is not a little less than half, it's only a little less than half of 1%.
@@actually5004 who said 0.48%?
@@jeremymcadam7400 Damn and you were so close to getting the joke.
The OP wrote: "than “exactly half”. 48% sounds good."
If it were written as "than “exactly half”. Fourty-eight percent sounds good." then there would be less confusion, and is the reason why it's a common English practice to not start sentences with numerals.
This would be so handy for model building! Especially odd shaped parts like wings, ship hulls, and fuselages.
Yeah I thought it could be useful for something like that, do you reckon that silicone or rubber jaws would be helpful for delicate parts?
@@Borgedesigns yes they would, actually I cover the tips of my tweezers and pliers with heat shrink tubing to help keep them from marring the surface. Either a silicone or nylon set of jaws would be great
What about printing the smallest jaws with a soft TPU ?
@@damiensornette614 The only thing is you don’t want a material that’s too soft or springy because if a smaller part pops free it’ll launch into low earth orbit. This would be great for securing cockpit floors and ship decks so that you can add details or complete sub assemblies. It’s also useful for things like tapered wing surfaces if I need it to be held steady while working inside the wheel wells.
I’m serious if you can make a couple different sizes and sell the idea to MicroMark you could probably make money hand over fist
for the jaws there is also an option to print in semi-flex TPUs with shore of around 98A… is very rigid with two or three walls and an infill greater than or equal to 20%
That restauration video was a win by the YT algorithm!
Nice project!
The algorithm showed me this video, and it was cool, so you now have one more subscriber!
Interestingly, I watched the video a few days that you referenced on Hand Tool Rescues' channel, and submitted a request to Joe Pieczynskis' channel to show how one might make a Fractal Vise on a lathe and machine tools. I don't have a machine center, lathe, or mill .... however I have been 3D printing for years. Thanks for creating and 3D-printable version! When I get around to printing one, I'll post it in Thingiverse to your "Makes" section. Good work and reverse engineering! Thanks again.
Thanks! Looking forward to seeing it!
Incredible! This scheme can be adapted to production workholding. Often a gang milling fixture must hold multiple pieces of slightly varying size.
After watching the restoration video, I wanted one, and thought about 3D-printing it. That would have to wait until I had significantly more design experience, and now I find an already-available model. Great work, thank you!
No problem, im sure you will get there in no time. Look at my first project from just a year ago if you want to see how quick it is to improve with 3D printing.
Very cool build! Some thoughts:
1. To allow the dovetails to print better without needing supports, add a very thin vertical wall to the front of the groove, just thick enough to be able to be printed. This will be easy enough to cut away cleanly after printing.
2. Add a version of the base with flanges on the sides with holes for mounting, as most other vices have.
3. Design sleeves for the innermost jaws to be printed out of TPU.
I hope that this helps!
Ive ordered some TPU, and the version im working on has multiple mounting options including optional flanges, or a set of holes in the base that are not covered by the lead screw like the current ones are.
in general, the fractals themselves are halves of a circle with two holes. So it is possible to implement them on a simple lathe.
I agree with John Beauvais. Something like this could be great in modelling. The only really useful and foolproof clamp for odd-shaped parts is your fingers. That’s all very well until you realise you’re committed to holding that Wildcat fuselage together for at least another 15 minutes to give the glue a chance to set. It would need to be a hand clamp though, not a vise. The closest I’ve come is a handlebar tripod mount from eBay, but the jaws are wrong. If you paired the fractal jaws with the tripod mount I think it would be a winner.
Yeah thats a good idea, to truly work from any angle. Ill add it to the todo list.
Hay, I need a 3d printed bandsaw/scroll saw.
I am also looking forward to printing your designs.
Looking at the design, I think the .48 number is actually correct. It provides for some tolerance between the two sub-jaws at each level, where if it were .5 instead, then debris could get caught between the sub-assemblies.
Have you considered making a version with taller, more robust jaws?
Already printing one ahah, 20mm as opposed to 10mm. I wanted to get a version working before using more plastic.
It makes sense to make a 3D printable version so more people can enjoy this themselves, but for those of us with machine tools, I really don't think this would be very difficult to make. Turning dovetails like this on a disk, then drilling out 2 pockets and cutting internal dovetails can all be done on a lathe. It might be easier though to bore the 2 holes in a disk, split it (OD dovetail already turned before that), then mill the half internal dovetails on a rotary table.
If you have a good size lathe, I see no reason you couldn't mount a rotary table to the lathe saddle.
Believe it or not- this could be done almost completely on either a good lathe, or mill- easier with both, but just depends on your setup skill and machine size.
I've thought these were cool since I saw the original item last year- I should go make one of these.
If youve got the setup I say go for it! I have next to no machining skills myself (Yet) but one of these vises looks like it could be really good practice for a few types of operations.
You just did what every single person who saw the Hand Tool Rescue vid thought :)
Yeah it was my first thought, I guess its kinda perfect for 3D printing since the geometry is difficult to make with other methods
This. Im soooooooo happy someones doing this, after seeing hand tools rescues video on it, I wanted to see a 3d printable version.
Just days ago I came across the fractal vise restoration video. A fascinating tool I had never come across before. There are definitely occasional situations where that vise would be extremely useful.
Its a solution looking for a problem
I cant wait to see the final version, which I´m defently going to print.
Your channel deserves a lot more subscribers.
Very nice work
"because I'm an idiot" I'm ded. I love it. I saw that vice and I want one too. Will definitely print one. Thanks for your work. 🤙
Bro! The first thing I thought after seeing the restoration video was that I could design and print my own! Now I don't even need to design it anymore. So thanks dude!
No problem!
fair ball for making one - looks like a cool vice to play with, especially in PLA or whatever was used as I imagine getting digits caught in original as shown in resto vid would hurt.
True! and yes it is printed in PLA
Impressed, watched the restoration vid 30 min after it was posted & tried eBay after… glad we have the same namesake!
Cheers
Thanks fellow Chris!
I was literally looking at this Patent 2 days ago! Awesome job.
Saw the original video and had the same thought as you! I was going to whip one up in fusion. Kudos!
no problem!
Crazy how many RUclipsrs commented here!!! Well done!
This had to happen, well done making it and thingiversing it, superb CADing. The metal one must be a huge machining cost even with multi-axis cnc.
Just found this channel, that sneak peak got me immediately subscribed
Its coming soon, im working on some upgrades to this first but itll be here in the next week or 2
You may have just hit the algorithm jackpot. Congratulations.
After so many years of hearing about being blessed by it, it finally happened!
Awesome! When I saw the vise restoration video I hoped that someone would make a 3D printable version of it. Super unique looking tool and I really want one, but I have absolutely no need for it or the desire to spend the money on a metal version, but I do have a 3D printer! Thanks for taking the time to do this, I can't wait to try printing it.
No problem! I think thats what a lot of people think, no way they could spend a few grand to buy one but 3D printing lets them play with it :)
This videos gonna take you to the freaking moon dude
Awesome I immediately looked for fractal vices too after seeing the restoration video with no luck.
yeah they really are unheard of, id certainly never seen anything like it prior to a couple of weeks ago.
To put "rubber" ends to the minijaws u can use heat shrink tubing (sry if there's a proper term) but, instead of cutting it, streatch it appart so it becomes more thin and can cover the end. Can use it twice for more cushing, its a cheap, easy and fast way to do it
Idk if i explained it so it can be understandable, if u are interested comment me and i'll make u a draw or a video explaining
1,000 to 5,000 in less than a month is insane!
Nice work, I'm tempted to use your model as a reference for a metal version. Thanks for putting in the work to show it's feasible.
very nice, keep at it, practical fractal engineering has great potential, fractal slicers, fractal tool path generators, the works..
I would love to make this just as an add-on to a regular vise!
Great idea. But if you put this between the jaws of a regular vise, there is no space left to clamp stuff. You need to have this lying on top, held by two Z-shaped metal holders (z-profile) instead of the regular jaw covers. This keeps the old vise usable as well.
Its in the pipeline, im working on refining the jaws first
Nicely done. I had added this to my list of things to model and 3d print but you got to it much faster than I did.
I have seen a lot of shit in my day but never a vice like that. I'm impressed.
yeah its such an interesting idea, would love to see the planning from whoever made the original
I found you after searching Fractal Vise after watching the resto. You earned a new sub! Cheers bud!
Thanks for subscribing!
As a visual representation this made way more sense to my mind. Now I get how cool that thing is !
Glad I could help!
Bang up job so far, Chris. Can't wait to see the finished product. From a purely esthetic point of view, I wonder if printing each size of jaws in a different color might not only look cool but also illustrate the extreme adaptability of the jaws as the vise closes.
Glad you like it! The current jaws im experimenting with are in 2 colours and your right it looks cool!
Great design Chris, this is why I am into 3D printing and CNC ( I really should adopt the CAM monicker as I have also got into laser cutting and engraving) I would love one of the metal ones but a 3D printed one will be just as useful!
Laser engraving is a great use for this I didnt consider actually, ill get around to that for a video at some point!
Amazing! Literally I was thinking about this the other day, this turned out awesome
Thanks!
I watched the same video, thought the same thing……. But you did it. Great work, and I can’t wait to print and try it.
I have been wanting one of these, and Im planning on getting a 3d printer, I am definitely going to be taking as much advantage as possible of this
This bring the phrase: "They've got my balls in a vice." to a whole new level.
I would definitely buy a few of these, one for work, for the truck, and one for home.
Always prepared, I like it.
I like the little frog heads xD
Awesome work! I saw the original video and wanted one too, I can't believe you printed it.
Very nice!
I can definitely think of more than a few uses for one, cant wait to print one up!
Good channel over as well, I think I speak for everyone who had legos as a kid when I say we would've lost our minds if we had 3-d printing like we do today
Can't wait for the filing machine!
Thanks! it should be out in the next few weeks, and ill say it might be my favourite project so far. Your right about the lego thing, its so cool to see printers aimed at kids, hopefully will spur on a new generation of engineers!
I suggest you make the smallest set of teeth in the jaws continue down to the sliding base like the larger jaws. For example try to clamp a dinner knife by the blade. HIGHLY INTERESTED
Thats such a cool tool
Great imagination for industrial use
thanks for providing the models! awesome work dude
Thanks, and no problem!
you beat me to it! awesome work man!
You did an amazing job making this video, thanks for sharing! I want to give you an advice: the same thing that happened to you with this video happened to me with one of my previous video, I uploaded it and unexpectedly I received a ton of views, I was very happy and I immediately made other videos thinking of receiving it same number of views, but that didn't happen and I was very disapointed and discouraged. this is not meant to be criticism, just advice, continue to post quality content, but don't expect to get tons of views only because this video got a lot of them 👍. however I don't know why you don't have a lot of subscribers and views also in your past videos, because they are very well done and interesting
Really cool designed!
Waiting for the thicker one untill I print this out, Great work! Seems like you did what we all wanted (But actually had the skill todo it!)
Not a bad call, hoping to have the thicker jaws out in the next few days so shouldnt be to long
Now I want to try this design but with the golden ratio between parent and child grooves and TPU on the outermost gripping “teeth”
That is so cool, I can imagine some interesting add-ons.
Nice work! Maybe replaceable rubber pins to contact the workpiece could work. I imagine that would allow a good grip on even more delicate objects
Im currently experimenting with silicone on the smallest jaws to help with small objects, since they are one of its best use cases for sure.
@@Borgedesigns that sounds great! I'm looking forward to seeing it! 👍
This is incredible. Fantastic work
I wonder if this might not work just as well (on something the size of the wrench) if it were just 2 pivoting contacting jaws 4 point of contact) or 4 pivoting contact jaws (8 point of contact). if it works just as well on large items.. there may be a way to (inexpensively) CNC a metal version of the design. (the dovetail would not be attached, but would be added onto the pivot, and the female dovetail would be a bottom/top layer CNC'd from one direction (top down) then sandwiched together with bolts or welds. the male dovetail is just a guide and doesn't take any stress as the jaw pivots, so just the main curve of the back of each jaw segment is what sees any pressure.
Very true, i ve been thinking about this. The new version has much loser dovetails, since they dont actually take much force, so I was thinking that a simpler design with T shaped dovetails that could be milled without 5 axis machining could be interesting to try. The Top half of the female jaws would be a separate piece, and the male jaws could be milled in one part just by flipping it over.
Awesome! I guess i'll start today with this, thanks for sharing.
This is super useful!
Thank you for sharing it!
That deserves a sub!
Thankyou!
It would be interesting to add some "wings" to the base, to be able to clamp or bolt it to the bench ! Otherwiser very interesting design, I'll wait a bit for a final version then I think I'll have a go at making one :)
it has 4 holes to screw it down currently but two are under the lead screw so its kinda annoying, ive already reworked it for the new version
@@Borgedesigns Cool :)
I just wached the restoration 2d ago. Amazing work! 😮
Recently replaced a battery in an odd shaped device. I needed this. Was a real pain soldering the leads while trying to hold the body steady.
I think soldering could be a great use for sure, im going to experiment with some jaws for it in the future.
Bravo. You have won 3d printing. I'm going to fire up the FDM machine.
@Chris Borge I'm printing now. Printer is misbehaving mightily, but that's my fault.
that first large circle is good for 95% of situations. the rest of the smaller circles are just showing off
I guess thats the point of the original design, a regular vise is almost always useful, but that 5% of the time its good to have. Also probably why the original never took off, something that expensive wasnt worth it for such little use.
Nice work. I think the slop or loose nature of the pieces allowing for flex could be eliminated by making the faces of the dove tails taller and not as deep. Also just a lip at top and bottom is all you really need as once lubricated the forces are just pushing straight through to the back and so having a larger face on both pieces to mate to will allow a better force application with less chance for distortion and keep the pieces from flexing too. As long as the radii are consistent and each piece mates properly the rotating will be smoooooth as Barry White. 😉👍 Also once the flexing is removed you can go back to one threaded rod. All this will also require scaling up the size which makes it easier to make although more resource rich but will also aid in the heft being better suited for clamping. You might even leave voids in the bottom for installing lead bar or rod to help weigh it down. Now, the most i.portant question: can you make us both one?? Seriously.
Your right that a groove system could work, the biggest downside is that it rules out being able to have a gap down the middle to facilitate drilling which is something im experimenting with currently, but a groove system would be so much easier it would not be hard to model both and have two versions for different uses. The current jaws im experimenting with are 20mm instead of 10 which has already helped with flex understandably, and your right ideally one threaded rod would be better, albeit not as cool.
@@Borgedesigns Haha, thats true, the gears up front add a cool factor lacking in a single rod but of course for durability those gears would be covered so they wouldnt be seen anyway.🤷🏻♂️
Wow, really nice design. I'm curious about the holding force but I'm interested either way. This could be really useful for many things :)
Yeah with the taller jaws it could be useful a lot, the V2 that im working on im going to test in a whole bunch of applications to see what it is capable of.
you have been blessed by the algorithm, creator
I truly have, the mythical algorithm has finally blessed me :)
@@Borgedesigns good on you mate, I like your video ideas. Ready to quit your day job?
Awesome build 👏
Great job! I was planning on designing one after I saw the restoration video! I'm going to have a look at some old tool patents, there's got to be a bunch more gold like this vice.
Very true, I like how Hand Tool Rescue has taken and revived a few old patents, I wonder how many more ingenious products could be revived with modern tech?
That teaser made me sub
The algorithm has treated you well
I have been blessed by the mythical algorithm that I have heard so much about
That’s amazingly cool. I just watched the restore video and now this popped up… RUclips algorithm got something right at least.
yeah it really seems to like these things
Very cool! I'd love to see your design machined in something like aluminum or stainless steel. It's beautifully simple considering how feature rich it is. That being said I definitely will be using this guy as part of my PCB soldering workflow. Good stuff!!
No problem! Im experimenting with silicone jaws to help with higher temp applications like this.
Ahhhhh you beat me to it! I was almost finished modeling mine.
This is awesome. Ill be printing one soon. Thank you.
No problem! If you havent started yet im releasing the double height jaws in the next few days
After seeing the original vise I was hoping someone would take on this endeavor with 3d printing. Just a thought, if you make the jaws twice as high and use 2 dovetails (essentially just double stack the jaws) that may provide more stability when grasping objects.
Simply making the jaws thicker will reduce the flex a lot by reducing angular clearances.
New version im working with uses double height jaws
Looks like you've soared past 1K subs now!
Here's another
Cool AF! Had no idea these things existed :O
Neither did I till a week ago
Got a new sub. Well done, looks great
You beat me to it! As soon as I watched his video I started working on my own version. But it did not occur to me to check for patents. The reduction for each jaw size was the same as yours %48.
I probably wouldnt of but the original video had it in the description was very helpful
This is an exciting realization of this marvelous idea. You are going great guns! Like almost everybody, I have seen the restoration video also.
A suggestion: using dovetails to hold down the sliding jaw gives unwanted lift, and there are better ways. The best is a patented feature of the Kurt Angle Lock milling vise. Give it a view. The biggest failing of unreinforced plastic being low stiffness, is there any way to incorporate a couple of steel bars into the affair? I do understand that you have mounting holes designed in. Screwing it to the bench certainly mitigates flex, agreed.
And I forgot to add that based on this video, without any need to check your other content, you have my sub. Keep up the swell work!
And as a demonstration of how inspiring this project is, here is a third unsolicited wrinkle. Could there be a version that keeps the fixed jaw close to the edge of the bench and the screw handle, allowing small objects to be more in range of subsequent operations?
Great build!
GEnius! I just saw the referenced episode. Wish I had a 3D metal printer.
Im so excited to see them becoming slowly cheaper itll open up the space so much