One thing I like about Profoto, Is you can own one or two lights, and if you need another light or two you can rent them, including modifiers. And I think in just about every major city in the world? I've rented Profoto lights, and they are really easy to use, too.
I just want two of them........someday. I'll just have to do with my three A1 flashes which I really love with my click softbox octa! Just show more portrait shoots with the B10, really love to see the flash do its work!
The drawback? Less than a month ago I invested in two B1X and two used B1's. Had I waited another month I may well have gone with two of these guys instead of the two used B1's. My end price would have been the same. Plus or minus 80 or 90 bucks. Not as much power but I rarely run full power and for when I do need it I still have the B1X's
I am most likely switching from Elinchrom to Profoto. I'll probably get 3 B10s, but I still think I will need a B1X just to use with the frosted dome which I dont think will fit on the B10.
Someone will eventually make an OCF unit that will trigger from phone, it's only a matter of time. Some aspects of photography seem to be moving in that direction.
Profoto is excellent gear, but the Godox 400 Pro is a better deal at $900 less with all the features, a little heavier but more power.It doesn't have the AC, but you get a ton of pops before it needs recharging, so at the end of the day, just recharge and you're good to go Just my .02 worth. Great video.
Indeed. And something Daniel keeps preaching about is quality of light. There are indeed less expensive alternatives but the thing about Profoto is they put a ton of research and experience when they bring something out. When you buy Profoto, you know it will work and work well. And work with existing gear.
Daniel Norton Photographer Yes you ar right, but the Godox Ad 400Pro is still more power full on the output, and more colour stable, if the B10 has similar spec as the B2 The Godox will be slightly over the B10 but not so much that people think looking at the Ws alone. Ws is the power used, not what it is putting out, that’s a different story! Godox AD600Pro compared to the Broncolor Siros800L is a whole stop, so you ned 2 Godox 600Pro for the same output as for one Siros800L Some thing to think about 😊
@@bigmillsy10 the new Godox strobes are light years (pun intended) ahead of their speedlights. From the AD200 on up, their new stuff is rock solid. Just as good as Profoto, fraction of the cost.
Hi Daniel, Can you please recommend a way to solidly mount a heavy umbrella such as a deep XL facing top-down/overhead? Looking to pick up some B10's but concerned about the lack of proper umbrella mount like the B1/X's or D2. Suspect I will have the same problem I already have with most umbrella brackets not having enough friction on the shaft, leading to the umbrella slipping down and hitting the light. Many thanks!
About showing the power on the Air Remote, I have asked a Profoto employee about that, the answer was, when do you ned to se the power? I don’t see the necessary in that? And i, OK... don’t need to start anything her...! An then we started shooting whit a model, and they wanted to use a B2 whit magnum for rim light. (This shoot was an Profoto event for the B1 and B2...) So this same employee i was asking earlier, was taping te Air Remote several times, way will not the power go up? Now the fun part... it was already on full power🤣😂!! Then I smiled and said, that’s why you need to see the power on the remote!! And also if you ned to use a faster flash duration, then you ned to se the power, if you now your gear, then you now if you are going over a specific power, the flash duration will be to long, for that you are photographing.. So ther you have it Profoto, do Some software modifications!! Godox from Kina has it?!?! It’s all about making photo more fun and easy right? And when Profoto talk about how versatile the A1 B1 B2 and B10 is, that you can have it high in the air, and remotely sett the power, it had bin nice to se de power yes!
Profoto do a USB dongle, you can see every head in every group, which could be 4 in group A for example and adjust them. The reason they do not show the power in the groups is that many users will have more than one strobe in each group.
interesting discussion, but most likely the phone use is more towards say a flash meter, or an exposure meter, like the LF shooters use, in an APP, and you use the phone to run the app, and to "fire" the lights, to get a measurement of exposure / lighting, as another tool, NOT to take the "money" shot, just as a set-up tool, this is probably the end goal, just haven't got there yet; this is just the first steps. ( a more economic solution than a sekonic light & flash meter).
I was saving 3000 for B2..not knowing about the new B10..B2s are on sale but I might just wait for the b10s!! I'm making a home studio but also would want to use these for outdoors.
I enjoy these videos , even though ones such as these really dont apply to me as I shoot large format film. My times between exposure are never quicker than 1 min, So my godox work fine. However they are bigger and heavier for sure.
good video,would be nice to do a comparison between a B 1, B 10, & B 2, describing the differences, who each light is for, genre's, Batt. pack or No pack, for Phase one or dslr shooters, what modifiers to get for what type of photography, best kit for beginners to Profoto lights.
@@DanielNortonPhotographer Many thanks for the prompt reply. As there are many alternatives on the market (which is at times confusing) I needed an expert opinion before making the investment in the Profoto system. Again many thanks...
Would be great a "Before you buy: Profoto D2" , and a Battery pack from Profoto or third party. Only left that model, so I can make my mind to choose one.
Daniel - very good review. I would like to know about these lights and corporate headshots that I do using a white backdrop. I have Elinchrom lights currently - I chuck two up to light white background, one in a large soft box and another as a fill. How could I achieve the same look with Profoto please
With me shooting photos and videos very frequently, I see this product really interesting. I really don't mind the price but I do feel Chinese manufacturers would probably make a more powerful version of this one soon.
Thats a nice review. Do you ever shoot dynalites? I would love to see what they have been up to. They unfortunately arent for the international market. I live in the Philippines but used to shoot them back in the day.
I have not use dynalites recently but used them quite a bit in the past. I know they added a monolight line that was some cheap thing with their name on it at one point, I’ll have to take a look and see where that went.
Hey Daniel! Thanks so much for your overview. I just took delivery of my B1X kit (two lights with backpack). Love it. Just did a model agency test today with it, and loved everything. I am a power user (my style), and HSS power is important. It appears that this is a full stop less power (value 9.0 on B1X) and trying to wrap my head around if that's really enough. I just upgraded to Profoto from Elimchrom Quadra (with HS heads) and also Ranger RX packs. So, the B1X with no wires is nice! But, now LOL.. this is so much smaller and more travel friendly. Question for you.. in HSS is there still only a one stop difference vs. B1X? Or.. is this a different story? Nice work!
With the bluetooth and app control of power it would have been cool if they included a sync port so you could connect plus x's to trigger them. It's like apple removing the headphone jack. Still, I would grab this light. Really neat.
I haven’t tried anything that big, I would say that the mounting point is not as strong as some of the other lights, so a very large box could be a problem, but I can’t say for sure.
Daniel.. I have heard from someone at the Alaska event that the b10 is only 1/3 of a stop lower power VS b1x. This sounds insane. Can you quickly do a test and confirm this? If this is true. Wow!
Thanks Daniel!!!!! If this is true.. this would be unreal!! Here is the link of the guy I am talking about, and where this info came from. If you can confirm this.. man, you would be a lifesaver! ruclips.net/video/1GYrRHZ2gQk/видео.html or else, this other guy must have gotten one magic B10! lol.
Daniel.. Thank you SO SO SO SO much for taking the time to do that. I just watched your re-play and it was great! So, it appears there is only 1/2 stop difference, and that is very impressive! I have some thinking to do now, in terms of do I keep the B1X's or send them back and exchange for the B10's. This was so helpful, and you were so responsive. What a great guy! I am so happy. Thank you again so much Daniel! BTW, I saw that Mark Wallace video on Watt Seconds, and it too was very helpful! Love him!
Hey Daniel! I want to ask you.. (and let me first say, I very limited experience reading a light meter.. and am learning from you). Hopefully you can explain this so it makes sense... Because I needed help understanding, I googled f-stop, and calculators etc.. to learn more about the different values. I found this calculator online: www.scantips.com/lights/fstop.html and when I used the second option to compute two different f-stops I got a confusing result. So, for example.. the B10 put out a flash reading of f/11.3. Then, the B1X put out f/11.8. The difference being .5 or.. as you said half a stop. I get confused when I look at the f/stop charts.. it looks like if I were at say f/11...one third more would be f/13...and a third more f/14... and a full stop would be f/16? In this case, the difference from the two flashes, looks like it's almost zero? or.. at best less then 1/3 of a stop? If the meter had read say... f/12.3 (from 11.3) would this have been a full stop on the meter (10 points difference). In a piratical sense, if you had lowered the value of the B1X power to 9.5 this would have said to be the same as the B10 (half a stop). What I am trying to do, is at home I want to create a scene where I get everything dialed in as needed, and then I want to lower the power of the B1X, to simulate the power drop if I were using the B10 to see, and get an idea of what I would expect etc. Based on your test, I was thinking this was 5 "clicks" on the B1X (half stop), but then when I look at the info online about the difference in the values, I got all confused. LOL. You have way WAY more experience then I do with this and wanted to check in to see if you can explain it better in simple terms. Thanks Daniel!!
How much does these strobes cost? If it is way out of budget for me than I have to try the Flashpoint version of the AD200. I know that my Nikon SB800 would last a very long time. I got my moneys worth on the two speed lights that I have.
If you want to use godox, then use it. You don't have to justify it or bash profoto to convince us of your choice. We don't to this with our cars why do we make it so personal about stinking lighting? it's a brand choice, that's all.
Not overpower - you’ll get about f11 out of them according to the specs and the sun is f16. But if you add the magnum reflector you could get f22. In my Adorama video - linked- you can see me using it in direct sun.
B10 is smaller / more versatile package in many ways. B2 is a bit less powerful. Profoto has a better remote system. Really all 3 are good though. You’d be doing ok with any of these.
Cheers for the reply! Great to get input from someone who's used all. Yeah, there's a few things in there for consideration. As far as remotes go, by "better" are you saying that the Profoto remote system is more "reliable", like less misfires? Another note on the remotes... I think (could be wrong) that the Elinchrom system is adding the ability to see what power you're at on with the HS/Pro remote (via firmware update) which is VERY helpful with lights up high and in weird places! Profoto really should get on to that being available through a firmware update on the Air TTL remote (has a screen). The Profoto B10/B2 lights seem like it might be able to attach to normal Profoto modifier fittings if the weight of the larger modifiers are supported, Elinchrom can but through an adapter, and the adapter has limits to the size (really, the weight) of the modifier too. I like the 'Pack and Head' style kits for their ability to keep the main weight away from where the subject/product is, and allow a bit more manoeuvrability of the head near/over things easily. Profoto has a bit too much of a jump between their B2 Pack and Head, and their B4 Pro Pack and Head I think. For people that want to stay in, or start in, the Profoto system, I think they should re-do the B2 style pack and head, which is also very similar to the Elinchrom ELB400/ELB500, but up at the Elinchrom power range, 500ws, like their B1/B1x. Profoto B4 Pro is just too big/heavy/expensive. Broncolor Move 1200L looks great, a bit smaller and easier to sling around, but still very expensive. I think Elinchrom have the power/size ratio right in the ELB400/500 packs. But it seems like I'd be using Profoto/Broncolor hire stuff at bigger studio shoots, and therefore half/most of the Elinchrom modifiers you have might not be of any use, and your Elinchrom (smaller Quadra) mount light won't adapt to the Profoto/Bron modifers very easily either. Conclusion? Profoto is innovating and trying new products, Broncolor is not (well, veeeeeeeery slowly). Profoto should make a 500ws Pack and Head battery kit, no? 'til then... I might look at the newer Elinchroms. Hmmmmm.
By better I mean more control, the ELB still can't (as of today) control each head separately on a pack. Yup, you can see the power on the Elinchroms, which is great! Yes the B10 and B2 can take full sized Profoto accessories, the ELB uses an adapter which works really well.. ELB also shows flash duration on the pack which is pretty sweet. All in all, I'd say you can't go wrong with any of them.
@@DanielNortonPhotographer thanks for your reply :),,one more thing,,if i wanna give it a try,,which one should i choose??? 1 b1x or 2 b10???iam new with profoto hehe
These look perfect.. I was going to add some A1 but I will now wait for one of these to add to my Profoto lights.. Plus it will take all my light modifiers........ win !! 😎
Not for working pros, which is who this is targeted at. I can tell you $3100 spent on two lights that will outlast your next 3 camera bodies is a decent investment.
Looks a cool light. One thing though and this is probably just me but I'm not sure I see the point of such a lightweight head. If you are using any sort of modifier outdoors you've got to carry a sandbag anyway, which makes the weight irrelevant really. We don't all have a "Dave" to hold our lights! lol
People are always obsessing about travel. In all honesty anytime I’ve traveled with lighting gear I ended up not using it. If you know how to use natural you can get amazing results with it.
While natural light can be good, being able to create your own light is the hallmark of a working professional. When a client want a certain shot to look a certain way in a certain location, you cannot use natural light.
@@Molaleni Natural light is fine but apart from a few tricks that usually involve more gear than lighting it would, skrims, reflectors etc, you pretty much get what you are given. If it's amazing light you can get amazing results but if it's crap, we'll guess what 😉 Being able to light a scene and make it look natural or however you want it to look, now that's a skill 😀
I mean really! You think we'd expect anything less from 2 Profoto ambassadors? Not knocking Profoto, I have a couple of their lights, but to expect you guys to NOT say everything positive about this light would be ridiculous.
Looking like it's going to be one awesome piece of kit for anyone's location kit. (Oh ya, hey Daniel, why don't you grace Seth with a little of that 'live broadcasting' kit, so he can stop using his phone !!! :{))) )
@@DanielNortonPhotographerI know you believe in the Profoto product but why don't you do a one on one comparison between the Godox products and the Profoto products. It would strengthen your position if you can prove the so called watt seconds and color temperature issues you have mentioned in your videos.
I don't have time to "prove" that an established brand that commercai photographers have come to rely on is better than a cheap knockoff - every few years a new cheap brand makes all these claims and then slowly fades away - Also I have spoken positively about numerous other brands besides Profoto. Buy what works for you is all I can say.
@@DanielNortonPhotographer I understand your position. Using a premium brand like Profoto, Broncolor, or Elinchrom makes sense for full time photographers. Personally I love the specs of the B10 but I cannot make the business case to drop $1595.00 for a 250 ws strobe. As you said choose what works for me. Right now Yongnuo, Godox, and Flashpoint works for me. P.S. isn't the B10 a knock off of the AD200 :).
b10 versus b1x versus some godox. I can't understand why you wouldn't include godox stuff because at the very least you would get way more views on your videos. You can just trash godox, or not (and for the love of god don't even mention customer support because who cares), but putting it in the video is going to be the best thing you could ever do.
Great video and thank god that only a few Godox comments were written . Seems like a great light for travel photography. My B2s are nice put not as portable as this would be.
Nice. But, Holy Cow expensive (holy cow = god ox). And SM, talk like a teacher outside a sjool and the facts must be right, including units. Ws or W.s is Watt.seconds - the micro sibling of kilo.Watt.hours or kWh. Don't say this puppy is 250 Watt as Watt is defined as W.s/s and constitutes a unit of potential power for comparisons and not energy consumption per se. Make the calculation: 250 W.s per 1/400 s gives 100,000 Watt. And that is why a flash gives so much more light than a continuous lamp. That 100,000 is only ~8.5 F-stops more than 250W, b.t.w. And whilst the W.s only indicates how much energy is used by the electronic circuit in the flash, we need a guide number at an angle without too much vignetting. Profoto says at ISO 100 this puppy does 72.5 > f/14.5 at 5ft or f/11 at 2m - not so powerful. A Nikon SB-910 has ft Gn of 111 at the flash angle for a 35mm focal length lens. But a beautiful pedigree puppy it is.
Before you buy .... think about which family member you are going to sell to be able to afford it. £1400 for a light, lol 600 watt Godox for less than a third of the price. No brainer.
@@DanielNortonPhotographer yep, lots of moving parts on a strobe, lol More likely to upgrade kit for some feature we haven't even realised we need yet before they wear out! I see your point, I bought into Elinchrom and Rotalux, but £1400 for one light is too far.
One thing I like about Profoto, Is you can own one or two lights, and if you need another light or two you can rent them, including modifiers. And I think in just about every major city in the world? I've rented Profoto lights, and they are really easy to use, too.
yup, this is one of the main reasons I switch over, rental availability is great
I just want two of them........someday.
I'll just have to do with my three A1 flashes which I really love with my click softbox octa!
Just show more portrait shoots with the B10, really love to see the flash do its work!
The drawback? Less than a month ago I invested in two B1X and two used B1's. Had I waited another month I may well have gone with two of these guys instead of the two used B1's. My end price would have been the same. Plus or minus 80 or 90 bucks. Not as much power but I rarely run full power and for when I do need it I still have the B1X's
Barry Kidd I got lucky and bought two b1x on Monday. Returned them yesterday
I am most likely switching from Elinchrom to Profoto. I'll probably get 3 B10s, but I still think I will need a B1X just to use with the frosted dome which I dont think will fit on the B10.
@@eriklundqvist4221 same, not excited about the financial layout.
How much coffee did you guys drink before this video?
Someone will eventually make an OCF unit that will trigger from phone, it's only a matter of time. Some aspects of photography seem to be moving in that direction.
Profoto is excellent gear, but the Godox 400 Pro is a better deal at $900 less with all the features, a little heavier but more power.It doesn't have the AC, but you get a ton of pops before it needs recharging, so at the end of the day, just recharge and you're good to go Just my .02 worth. Great video.
Watt seconds can be deceiving
Indeed. And something Daniel keeps preaching about is quality of light. There are indeed less expensive alternatives but the thing about Profoto is they put a ton of research and experience when they bring something out. When you buy Profoto, you know it will work and work well. And work with existing gear.
Daniel Norton Photographer Yes you ar right, but the Godox Ad 400Pro is still more power full on the output, and more colour stable, if the B10 has similar spec as the B2
The Godox will be slightly over the B10 but not so much that people think looking at the Ws alone.
Ws is the power used, not what it is putting out, that’s a different story!
Godox AD600Pro compared to the Broncolor Siros800L is a whole stop, so you ned 2 Godox 600Pro for the same output as for one Siros800L
Some thing to think about 😊
I’ve only used the Godox speedlights, they were excellent value, however they were inconsistent in both exposure and colour temperature.
@@bigmillsy10 the new Godox strobes are light years (pun intended) ahead of their speedlights. From the AD200 on up, their new stuff is rock solid. Just as good as Profoto, fraction of the cost.
Hi Daniel,
Can you please recommend a way to solidly mount a heavy umbrella such as a deep XL facing top-down/overhead? Looking to pick up some B10's but concerned about the lack of proper umbrella mount like the B1/X's or D2. Suspect I will have the same problem I already have with most umbrella brackets not having enough friction on the shaft, leading to the umbrella slipping down and hitting the light.
Many thanks!
Manfrotto makes a great umbrella adapter - bit.ly/MAFRUA
Ability to adjust color temp would be very nice when shooting outdoors.
Very, very insightful. Answered all my questions! Great job fellas!
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About showing the power on the Air Remote, I have asked a Profoto employee about that, the answer was, when do you ned to se the power?
I don’t see the necessary in that? And i, OK... don’t need to start anything her...!
An then we started shooting whit a model, and they wanted to use a B2 whit magnum for rim light.
(This shoot was an Profoto event for the B1 and B2...)
So this same employee i was asking earlier, was taping te Air Remote several times, way will not the power go up?
Now the fun part... it was already on full power🤣😂!!
Then I smiled and said, that’s why you need to see the power on the remote!!
And also if you ned to use a faster flash duration, then you ned to se the power, if you now your gear, then you now if you are going over a specific power, the flash duration will be to long, for that you are photographing..
So ther you have it Profoto, do Some software modifications!!
Godox from Kina has it?!?!
It’s all about making photo more fun and easy right?
And when Profoto talk about how versatile the A1 B1 B2 and B10 is, that you can have it high in the air, and remotely sett the power, it had bin nice to se de power yes!
Profoto do a USB dongle, you can see every head in every group, which could be 4 in group A for example and adjust them. The reason they do not show the power in the groups is that many users will have more than one strobe in each group.
interesting discussion, but most likely the phone use is more towards say a flash meter, or an exposure meter, like the LF shooters use, in an APP, and you use the phone to run the app, and to "fire" the lights, to get a measurement of exposure / lighting, as another tool, NOT to take the "money" shot, just as a set-up tool, this is probably the end goal, just haven't got there yet; this is just the first steps. ( a more economic solution than a sekonic light & flash meter).
Indeed
I was saving 3000 for B2..not knowing about the new B10..B2s are on sale but I might just wait for the b10s!! I'm making a home studio but also would want to use these for outdoors.
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I enjoy these videos , even though ones such as these really dont apply to me as I shoot large format film. My times between exposure are never quicker than 1 min, So my godox work fine. However they are bigger and heavier for sure.
good video,would be nice to do a comparison between a B 1, B 10, & B 2, describing the differences, who each light is for, genre's, Batt. pack or No pack, for Phase one or dslr shooters, what modifiers to get for what type of photography, best kit for beginners to Profoto lights.
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Would two B10's be a good starter home studio kit? I like the Profoto line of modifiers and grid/gel system...
Yes, that would be a great kit
@@DanielNortonPhotographer Many thanks for the prompt reply. As there are many alternatives on the market (which is at times confusing) I needed an expert opinion before making the investment in the Profoto system. Again many thanks...
Would be great a "Before you buy: Profoto D2" , and a Battery pack from Profoto or third party. Only left that model, so I can make my mind to choose one.
D2 I may do, but not sure I'll cover the battery pack, as I do not have access to one.
Daniel - very good review. I would like to know about these lights and corporate headshots that I do using a white backdrop. I have Elinchrom lights currently - I chuck two up to light white background, one in a large soft box and another as a fill. How could I achieve the same look with Profoto please
Daniel, you can get perfect lighting from a pocket flashlight with dead batteries. I don't know why you would need this.
Thanks for the kind words. I’d want them because of the ability to gain control of my space vs a flashlight 😊
Unfortunately the B10 has no synchronous input! Why not? Too expensive? The B1x and B2 have one! So what is the tool for professional photographers?
With so many people using wireless triggers these days, I guess they suppose you’ll do that.
Great review cheers.
With me shooting photos and videos very frequently, I see this product really interesting. I really don't mind the price but I do feel Chinese manufacturers would probably make a more powerful version of this one soon.
Probably true!
It is too loud to actually use for video if you are recording sound.
Thats a nice review. Do you ever shoot dynalites? I would love to see what they have been up to. They unfortunately arent for the international market. I live in the Philippines but used to shoot them back in the day.
I have not use dynalites recently but used them quite a bit in the past. I know they added a monolight line that was some cheap thing with their name on it at one point, I’ll have to take a look and see where that went.
Please compare with Elinchrom ELBs
Hello Daniel I really enjoy your product reviews have you any plans to review Profotos umbrellas Glenn UK
Not at this time
Hey Daniel! Thanks so much for your overview. I just took delivery of my B1X kit (two lights with backpack). Love it. Just did a model agency test today with it, and loved everything. I am a power user (my style), and HSS power is important. It appears that this is a full stop less power (value 9.0 on B1X) and trying to wrap my head around if that's really enough. I just upgraded to Profoto from Elimchrom Quadra (with HS heads) and also Ranger RX packs. So, the B1X with no wires is nice! But, now LOL.. this is so much smaller and more travel friendly. Question for you.. in HSS is there still only a one stop difference vs. B1X? Or.. is this a different story? Nice work!
It’s one stop, but in HSS that can certainly make a difference
I would love to see some comparisons with other brands.
We did the elinchrom ELB 500 - working on getting some Broncolor
Sounds good!
Can you see the settings of the strobe on the trigger screen?
With the bluetooth and app control of power it would have been cool if they included a sync port so you could connect plus x's to trigger them. It's like apple removing the headphone jack. Still, I would grab this light. Really neat.
Yeah, I miss the x sync (as a back-up), but they are of the mind you'll use the air system, since its built in, vs pocket wizard
Is there no umbrella holder?
there is, right on top of the stand adapter
love the channel 📸
Thank you!
As a first one light to buy... B10 or B1X? Choose only one
For me? B1X - I live for power
Will bigger profoto modifiers slide off of this? Like the 4-5ft softbox?
I haven’t tried anything that big, I would say that the mounting point is not as strong as some of the other lights, so a very large box could be a problem, but I can’t say for sure.
Would you use the two B10's as your main studio lights if you mainly do portrait photography?
You could for sure
Daniel.. I have heard from someone at the Alaska event that the b10 is only 1/3 of a stop lower power VS b1x. This sounds insane. Can you quickly do a test and confirm this? If this is true. Wow!
Hmmm, I’ll see what I can do
Thanks Daniel!!!!! If this is true.. this would be unreal!! Here is the link of the guy I am talking about, and where this info came from. If you can confirm this.. man, you would be a lifesaver! ruclips.net/video/1GYrRHZ2gQk/видео.html or else, this other guy must have gotten one magic B10! lol.
Just did a test live on my instagram b1x b10 and A1
Daniel.. Thank you SO SO SO SO much for taking the time to do that. I just watched your re-play and it was great! So, it appears there is only 1/2 stop difference, and that is very impressive! I have some thinking to do now, in terms of do I keep the B1X's or send them back and exchange for the B10's. This was so helpful, and you were so responsive. What a great guy! I am so happy. Thank you again so much Daniel! BTW, I saw that Mark Wallace video on Watt Seconds, and it too was very helpful! Love him!
Hey Daniel! I want to ask you.. (and let me first say, I very limited experience reading a light meter.. and am learning from you). Hopefully you can explain this so it makes sense... Because I needed help understanding, I googled f-stop, and calculators etc.. to learn more about the different values. I found this calculator online: www.scantips.com/lights/fstop.html and when I used the second option to compute two different f-stops I got a confusing result. So, for example.. the B10 put out a flash reading of f/11.3. Then, the B1X put out f/11.8. The difference being .5 or.. as you said half a stop. I get confused when I look at the f/stop charts.. it looks like if I were at say f/11...one third more would be f/13...and a third more f/14... and a full stop would be f/16? In this case, the difference from the two flashes, looks like it's almost zero? or.. at best less then 1/3 of a stop? If the meter had read say... f/12.3 (from 11.3) would this have been a full stop on the meter (10 points difference). In a piratical sense, if you had lowered the value of the B1X power to 9.5 this would have said to be the same as the B10 (half a stop). What I am trying to do, is at home I want to create a scene where I get everything dialed in as needed, and then I want to lower the power of the B1X, to simulate the power drop if I were using the B10 to see, and get an idea of what I would expect etc. Based on your test, I was thinking this was 5 "clicks" on the B1X (half stop), but then when I look at the info online about the difference in the values, I got all confused. LOL. You have way WAY more experience then I do with this and wanted to check in to see if you can explain it better in simple terms. Thanks Daniel!!
For a studio setup, I have a single B1, would this be the product for me to use it as a fill light?
Sure, or another b1
Is it true that the difference between both flash heads (B10 250ws) and the (B1x 500ws) is only 1 stop? between b, v 100 iso and 200 iso
Indeed. 1 stop or 1/2 the power B10 vs B1x
Outdoors portability and travel???? How would it compare to the Godox AD200????
Typically what you are paying for is reliability and consistency
How much does these strobes cost? If it is way out of budget for me than I have to try the Flashpoint version of the AD200. I know that my Nikon SB800 would last a very long time. I got my moneys worth on the two speed lights that I have.
If you want to use godox, then use it. You don't have to justify it or bash profoto to convince us of your choice. We don't to this with our cars why do we make it so personal about stinking lighting? it's a brand choice, that's all.
Good point, I’m curious if serious “car people” do in fact do this 😂
Orlit had the bluetooth feature I think
lol
Doesn’t the on-camera trigger tell you all the strobe info and control? Why would you need a phone Bluetooth app??
Nope
Daniel Norton Photographer that doesn’t make any sense.
Oh my god.. thank god for b10 ... finally we can talk about something other than “SINGLE ******* CARD SLOT!!!!!
The next comment on my feed is about single card slots lol
Yep, enough of that, let's move on to missing IBIS, & 4k with 1.8 crop...
being able to charge while shooting is the double card slot of portable strobes
Yeah its worse: NO CARD SLOT!!!
Hi Daniel, other than blutooth, how does the B10 compare to the B2 in terms of power and quality of light?
Quality of light I’d say is the same. Power wise the b2 is the same if you use just 1 head. Otherwise you are splitting 250 between 2 heads
Thanks!
Very keen on these lights. Are they strong enough to overpower the sun when shooting in it's direction??
Not overpower - you’ll get about f11 out of them according to the specs and the sun is f16. But if you add the magnum reflector you could get f22. In my Adorama video - linked- you can see me using it in direct sun.
Daniel can you provide me that link?
ruclips.net/video/tYLYDfuAFO0/видео.html
Hey Daniel Norton! What are your thoughts on this Profoto B10 (or the Profoto B2) vs the Elinchrom ELB 500 you recently looked at? Cheers mate!
B10 is smaller / more versatile package in many ways. B2 is a bit less powerful. Profoto has a better remote system. Really all 3 are good though. You’d be doing ok with any of these.
Cheers for the reply! Great to get input from someone who's used all. Yeah, there's a few things in there for consideration.
As far as remotes go, by "better" are you saying that the Profoto remote system is more "reliable", like less misfires? Another note on the remotes... I think (could be wrong) that the Elinchrom system is adding the ability to see what power you're at on with the HS/Pro remote (via firmware update) which is VERY helpful with lights up high and in weird places! Profoto really should get on to that being available through a firmware update on the Air TTL remote (has a screen).
The Profoto B10/B2 lights seem like it might be able to attach to normal Profoto modifier fittings if the weight of the larger modifiers are supported, Elinchrom can but through an adapter, and the adapter has limits to the size (really, the weight) of the modifier too. I like the 'Pack and Head' style kits for their ability to keep the main weight away from where the subject/product is, and allow a bit more manoeuvrability of the head near/over things easily.
Profoto has a bit too much of a jump between their B2 Pack and Head, and their B4 Pro Pack and Head I think. For people that want to stay in, or start in, the Profoto system, I think they should re-do the B2 style pack and head, which is also very similar to the Elinchrom ELB400/ELB500, but up at the Elinchrom power range, 500ws, like their B1/B1x.
Profoto B4 Pro is just too big/heavy/expensive. Broncolor Move 1200L looks great, a bit smaller and easier to sling around, but still very expensive.
I think Elinchrom have the power/size ratio right in the ELB400/500 packs. But it seems like I'd be using Profoto/Broncolor hire stuff at bigger studio shoots, and therefore half/most of the Elinchrom modifiers you have might not be of any use, and your Elinchrom (smaller Quadra) mount light won't adapt to the Profoto/Bron modifers very easily either.
Conclusion? Profoto is innovating and trying new products, Broncolor is not (well, veeeeeeeery slowly). Profoto should make a 500ws Pack and Head battery kit, no?
'til then... I might look at the newer Elinchroms. Hmmmmm.
By better I mean more control, the ELB still can't (as of today) control each head separately on a pack. Yup, you can see the power on the Elinchroms, which is great! Yes the B10 and B2 can take full sized Profoto accessories, the ELB uses an adapter which works really well.. ELB also shows flash duration on the pack which is pretty sweet. All in all, I'd say you can't go wrong with any of them.
If you could only buy one. B10 or B1X. Mainly studio, but wanna travel
If 250 is enough I'd likely go B10
hii,,i know it's late,,but i wanna ask you 1 thing,,can i connect the b1/b1x with b10???
Yes, you can use all the airTTL capable lights together
@@DanielNortonPhotographer thanks for your reply :),,one more thing,,if i wanna give it a try,,which one should i choose??? 1 b1x or 2 b10???iam new with profoto hehe
These look perfect.. I was going to add some A1 but I will now wait for one of these to add to my Profoto lights.. Plus it will take all my light modifiers........ win !! 😎
Yes I would have done just 1 A1 if I had known this was coming
Can you trigger the light with the app?
Not the flash - it’s a special burst with the LED light
Thanks
$3100.00 for two, out of reach for most photographers. $ 2100.00 maybe.
Not for working pros, which is who this is targeted at. I can tell you $3100 spent on two lights that will outlast your next 3 camera bodies is a decent investment.
Looks a cool light. One thing though and this is probably just me but I'm not sure I see the point of such a lightweight head. If you are using any sort of modifier outdoors you've got to carry a sandbag anyway, which makes the weight irrelevant really. We don't all have a "Dave" to hold our lights! lol
Weight is a big deal for travel for sure. If you’ve got big stands and a sandbags you should get a Dave for sure! 😊
@@DanielNortonPhotographer Well they are the best 😀
People are always obsessing about travel. In all honesty anytime I’ve traveled with lighting gear I ended up not using it. If you know how to use natural you can get amazing results with it.
While natural light can be good, being able to create your own light is the hallmark of a working professional. When a client want a certain shot to look a certain way in a certain location, you cannot use natural light.
@@Molaleni Natural light is fine but apart from a few tricks that usually involve more gear than lighting it would, skrims, reflectors etc, you pretty much get what you are given. If it's amazing light you can get amazing results but if it's crap, we'll guess what 😉 Being able to light a scene and make it look natural or however you want it to look, now that's a skill 😀
Think this would be good for macro shooters ?
I tend to want as much power as possible with Macro so might go with the B1X if the budget is there.
Can you do HSS on this please Thanks
Yes!
Is it only one credit card slot?
No, at that price you need two. ;-)
Cool, I don't want or ever need to buy this. SKipping video.
Good plan 😊
The first thing I thought of was a gorilla pod in a tree. Same ideas. Lol
Great minds!
Have you done studio shots with this?
I have! Will post some on Instagram
Is there a Sync Port on This?
Nope.
I mean really! You think we'd expect anything less from 2 Profoto ambassadors? Not knocking Profoto, I have a couple of their lights, but to expect you guys to NOT say everything positive about this light would be ridiculous.
Neither of us are Profoto ambassadors 🤦🏻♂️ though I would love to be!
Looking like it's going to be one awesome piece of kit for anyone's location kit. (Oh ya, hey Daniel, why don't you grace Seth with a little of that 'live broadcasting' kit, so he can stop using his phone !!! :{))) )
Ha ha he’s a master with that phone though
@@DanielNortonPhotographerI know you believe in the Profoto product but why don't you do a one on one comparison between the Godox products and the Profoto products. It would strengthen your position if you can prove the so called watt seconds and color temperature issues you have mentioned in your videos.
I don't have time to "prove" that an established brand that commercai photographers have come to rely on is better than a cheap knockoff - every few years a new cheap brand makes all these claims and then slowly fades away - Also I have spoken positively about numerous other brands besides Profoto. Buy what works for you is all I can say.
@@DanielNortonPhotographer I understand your position. Using a premium brand like Profoto, Broncolor, or Elinchrom makes sense for full time photographers. Personally I love the specs of the B10 but I cannot make the business case to drop $1595.00 for a 250 ws strobe. As you said choose what works for me. Right now Yongnuo, Godox, and Flashpoint works for me. P.S. isn't the B10 a knock off of the AD200 :).
What a fantastic light .. i love what profoto do ... sadly it will be ripped off (copied) by newer or godox .
Yes, for sure
b10 versus b1x versus some godox. I can't understand why you wouldn't include godox stuff because at the very least you would get way more views on your videos. You can just trash godox, or not (and for the love of god don't even mention customer support because who cares), but putting it in the video is going to be the best thing you could ever do.
There are many things that will get views 🤷🏻♂️
Great video and thank god that only a few Godox comments were written . Seems like a great light for travel photography. My B2s are nice put not as portable as this would be.
Nice. But, Holy Cow expensive (holy cow = god ox). And SM, talk like a teacher outside a sjool and the facts must be right, including units. Ws or W.s is Watt.seconds - the micro sibling of kilo.Watt.hours or kWh. Don't say this puppy is 250 Watt as Watt is defined as W.s/s and constitutes a unit of potential power for comparisons and not energy consumption per se. Make the calculation: 250 W.s per 1/400 s gives 100,000 Watt. And that is why a flash gives so much more light than a continuous lamp. That 100,000 is only ~8.5 F-stops more than 250W, b.t.w.
And whilst the W.s only indicates how much energy is used by the electronic circuit in the flash, we need a guide number at an angle without too much vignetting. Profoto says at ISO 100 this puppy does 72.5 > f/14.5 at 5ft or f/11 at 2m - not so powerful. A Nikon SB-910 has ft Gn of 111 at the flash angle for a 35mm focal length lens. But a beautiful pedigree puppy it is.
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Come on, man. Talk about throwing some serious shade (0:30 - 0:45) at your buddy.
Before you buy .... think about which family member you are going to sell to be able to afford it.
£1400 for a light, lol
600 watt Godox for less than a third of the price. No brainer.
for sure do not invest in equipment that will last through your entire career.. that would be silly, buy cheap, that always pays off :)
@@DanielNortonPhotographer yep, lots of moving parts on a strobe, lol
More likely to upgrade kit for some feature we haven't even realised we need yet before they wear out!
I see your point, I bought into Elinchrom and Rotalux, but £1400 for one light is too far.