I am sorry, Justin, she is not going to learn. There is no treatment for what ails her. You can continue to believe that people can change; some people can, but she isn't one of them, unfortunately.
Totally agree. She genuinely cannot get it through her thick skull that she is culpable. She is just going to get more and more salty and bitter in prison.
Elizabeth just confirmed she hasn’t taken a second for introspection and accountability. Time in jail will give her time to figure this out. It seems like she still has a lot of “yes men” around her.
From reports, she seems to be a product of her upbringing so never expected real life repercussions that cannot be finessed with money or influence. Accepting true responsibility will require a shakeup of her core self & who knows if he's able or willing to go through it in order to come out of the other side.
@@debrawehrly6900 I believe he was a VP & lost his job when it all went down. It doesn't appear he was involved in the fraud. Was probably one of many who just lost their job as the level of deception was quite high up.
This was very interesting - you nailed it. BTW, I've learned for a fact that she hired a PR rep for the rich and famous to get this article into the NYTimes. I worked for her -- she's always been obsessed with PR, a book deal and documentary deal even after the indictments, her Wikipedia page in my last days there, and so on. She hasn't changed at all. The woman portrayed in that article is exactly who I worked for. She is the most dishonest person I've personally everencountered. She will never own up to and admit her wrongdoing. She's no Charles Van Doren.
Ha, it wasn’t me who told people my technology worked, it was a character I created. The real me would have told those investors to run. She also still blamed Sunny, she blamed her lawyers for what happened to the whistleblowers, she took zero responsibility for anything. Then she talked about how when her company collapsed she had to go to burning man, and get away from it all, and spend the next several years on vacation hiking, meditating, living in mansions, while everyone else picked up the pieces of her mess. They also asked how she’s paying for her legal team and she said she’ll have to work her whole life to pay them, which she clearly has no actual interest in doing since she hasn’t worked in years and just had 2 babies.
@@PungiFungi she’s unreal. Most people do fraud scams like this after they’ve been in business for years, she was lying to everyone from day 1. And after this huge trial, years of news coverage, documentaries, and TV shows she still can’t stop lying to herself and everyone else. I think it’s going to take years in prison before she finally faces reality
Her empty eyes say it all - i pity the innocent children who were born to her…. and I truly believe they were conceived with a motive - judge’s sympathy at sentencing 😕
She might feel different if baby daddy stops taking her calls, gets someone else pregnant and gets married so their children have a mother. Maybe he was just playing a character.
@@PungiFungi based on the article the Times did on my company, that is something I presume they would have fact-checked. Or maybe not in this case. Just seems out of place, odd.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial is it possible the physician may have sauntered into the room, ER - I'm guessing, and just eye-balled her son's vitals and never looked at the last name ? I worked in an ER, I could see a clinician doing that -- who knows-
I don't care about the money or investors. While I appreciate those are the charges she was convicted on, I'm far more concerned about the patients given false results that put their health and wellbeing at risk or the employees harassed to the point of one taking his own life. A whoopsie let me pay you back for something that wasn't really my fault isn't any less offensive than her only caring about herself and dad bods.
"Liz" gave zero fucks...and that's just one of the reasons she off to prison...at long last. She has never accepted responsibility...still believes her technology could work, blah blah blah. She fucked around and found out. Egg on the faces of those wealthy, well-connected top 1%ers...for them, cry 'em a river. The patients, that's a different story.
Excellent video once again Justin. You nailed it. I read the thesis long interview and it really was infuriating reading it from start to finish. All the more I see a really professional con artist who as you said, still shows no accountability. However I really don't understand why you waste your time in explaining that retribution is possible from her in the future. People don't care if she does or doesn't accept responsibility. The damage is done. She will never humble herself. Just look at that family photo cover of her carrying her baby, still and will always be manipulative
I just don't feel that Elizabeth understands the meaning of the word "accountability." She went to Stanford with a major ego attitude. She ran her entire company on image and fraud. Now, she continues to be spoiled, entitled, and enabled by her wealthy, connected family and husband. I have serious doubts this woman will ever serve any time in jail.
I too was gobsmacked while reading her article and thank you Justin for your sound response to it. I’m truly lost for words. No acknowledgment of any wrongdoing and still playing victim. She’s living in cuckoo land and due for a very sharp wake up call!
A lot of people thought the reporter was brought into Holmes’ manipulation. It seems like she did…. Until the very end when she revealed how Holmes and Evans insisted on her hanging around because they both knew people in Holmes’ presence are easily taken in by her. So she’s admitting the whole experience was a con.
When I read the article, because I've watched your videos, I immediately recognized that she made no comment about the investors she defrauded, or the patients that were harmed by the test results her faulty machines made. She's been ordered in pay over $8 million to her investors and others that she defrauded. She made no mention of that or how she intends to make them whole. The article was all about her. I also think that's she's done a disservice to other young female entrepreneurs who already have a tough time proving their seriousness and validity to investors. Because of Holmes, investors may be even more wary of giving money to other young women who come to them with proposals, no matter how well founded the ideas are.
her character she ‘created’ lied. it’s as if she thinks the world is stupid. her employees witnessed her extreme surveillance and she thinks people should believe she had no idea what was going on. I still think her story is fascinating though, great stuff haha
another thing too, i call bs on blaming Sonny for the heavy influencing of the creation of the character and pushing the black turtlenecks. I believe it’s likely she wants to distance her ‘character’ attributes from Steve Jobs for personal legacy reasons...she’s concerned that people will perceive her as a failed wannabe, so it’s convenient to dump that whole situation of cringe on Sonny
She does think the world is stupid. I agree that her biggest worry is that she is desperate not to be seen as a failure. It’s laughable that Balwani was any sort of Svengali figure to this bone-headed female.
You're very fun to listen to, Justin. You bring some genuine passion to analyzing these issues, and I've been learning a lot from you in these videos. Like you, I also hope she puts her life back together, but my perception is that since her principal problem is pride she has to fix that first. People want to contrition from her, but I think she'd rather die than admit she did anything wrong, let alone apologize for it. At any rate please continue to put out these analyses. You keep it real.
Holmes still won't accept any responsibility for Theranos crimes. She's freaking out and desperate to to stay out of prison. No doubt her trust fund baby boyfriend thinks this will help!
She is a narcissist, she will never admit to being at fault for anything. Let’s not make it sound as if her skill set is valuable. She is an entitled crook, a fake, without remorse. Watch, during this appeal period she will get pregnant again. She has children for the wrong reasons. She cares for no one but herself.
I’m also not sure how valuable her ‘skills’ are. This is a woman who loved to brag that all she did was work and sleep… and the best she could manage when asked was that her magic machine ‘did chemistries’. Her dumb company was an abject failure. That doesn’t really speak for any ‘skills’.
The day Holmes NYT interview came out, I stated she should fire her crisis mgmt team, or whoever’s been advising her. The whole media message is flat-footed n entitled. Willingly proclaiming she took six month vacation, never publicly thanking court for scheduling around her pregnancies, living in ocean front beach property etc…all further reinforce her image as out-it-touch with victims of Theranos debacle. And her interview only furthers her elitist and excessive persona. I agree with Paperny that she can make great changes during incarceration. But first she has to surrender physically and emotionally. Then she has ample time and opportunity to reflect on her conduct, apologize, and build a new life.
Her father was a VP at Enron. I really don't think she will ever take responsibility. With her growing up with that role model, she will never see the damage she has done.
You hope Elizabeth Holmes will teach a class while in prison. With all due respect, what could she teach? Her only life experience is a privileged childhood, a year or two of college, and defrauding family, friends, and investors out of billions of dollars. She should take the time to complete her formal education and to recognize the women she’s serving time with can teach her far more than she could teach them.
Exactly! How is she going to make that right? She doesn’t care and has never cared about her employees, her business partners and least of all the patients who trusted her “invention.”
She's scam artist who has lived the life of a billionaire. Do you actually believe that she would ever accept her role as a convict and b proud of cleaning toilets and earning a couple bucks an hour?
The way you and your business partner have turned your lives around continues to astound me. Cheers to you for being a role model not only for inmates and ex-inmates, but for society in general.
Why is she not in prison? why is she constantly getting away with her crimes? I don't care that she has no remorse, I just want her in prison why is she not in prison as you said she would be?
So after seven years of not talking to the press and now we got this, a rehash and repeat of of what those character reference letters were saying. She is distancing herself from her former incarnation because that was a character created by Sunny Balwani, and was not her. Straight out of that Bloom County strip: it wasn't me, it was the booze. My dog beats me, victimization disorder, I wasn't myself. And the audacity of telling us not to believe what was in the media. Liz, we do not need to, Your very words and actions before, during and after the trial affirm and confirm every negative thing the media said about you. We saw it with our own eyes. This article was just a waste of time and showed that she is just crafting another persona. If the previous one was a character, what makes this one genuine?
I just read the article. It really was a mistake. It doesn't paint her in a positive light AT ALL. But at least she admitted the voice was fake. At least we finally got that much truth out of her.
@@angelapaez8000 The fact that the voice is gone is an admission. In the article, her dude is literally making fun of the voice and saying it was weird while she was sitting right there.
Well said, Justin. I hear in your voice that you've learned from criminal penance. However, that woman has always shown herself as a psychopath. At least she wasn't a murderous psychopath.
Great piece Justin.... Im in the other camp, i believe she won't change (yet) That article was crafted to project her new narrative. She tried a ploy used previously with tbe aim that we love the new her and just wrap up the previous mistake and wipe the slate clean. Unfortunately for her, the judiciary circuit dont pay attention to this view ..... Off to the clink for you girl.
You're perfect! Love your insightful and passionate videos. Please keep 'em coming... definitely have become a fan of yours lately, Justin, and look forward to your future uploads! ⚖️💕🙏
Wonderful critique! If she weren’t so narcissistic, she would’ve delayed any interview until after the appeal process was complete. She is absolutely incapable of owning her actions and their impact. I’d love to explore her family system; this apple fell close to the tree.
Her hubby and her think that submitting those STAGED photos of them and the kids with their shit eating grins, surrounded by their luxurious residence will convinced the judge that she had been "punished" enough already and deserved home confinement.
She is not a young mother. She is an older mother who spent her younger days hurting all of us in some way. Our fathers and mothers may have had her skewed Walgreens tests because of selfish bamboozling.
I disagree that the article has no value. It disabused you of your illusions about Elizabeth Holmes. It showed us her attitude towards her crimes on the eve of her incarceration. I wondered if she did any looking at herself in the interim, and now I know that she hasn't.
Hubris caused my actions that enabled me to break the law and create victims. Regained humility allowed me to take responsibility for my actions and to now work every day to make amends. Don’t stop brother. The world needs this message.
This is profound insight right here. Agreed she had her chance to prove everyone wrong and she remorse-but she didn’t and thus let the wheels of Justice take & humble her.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial I think her sentence would have been far less if she had pleaded guilty, cooperated against Balwani and shown remorse, humility, regret and concern for patients and investors. Along with a ‘sincere’ desire to make amends. I remember when she first pleaded not guilty (same with Balwani), I thought of your channel and the advice you give. It struck me that she would spend a huge amount of money on a legal defence with a not guilty plea, be convicted, then receive a sizeable sentence. Perhaps if she’d seen the light right from the start she might have got …. what…..5-6 years? She seems to have shown no wisdom whatsoever and I believe her defence has milked her financially perhaps with false assurances re being found not guilty. This latest escapade in the NYT shows that she simply doesn’t ever learn.
You’re upset that she told the truth about how she really feels. I disagree, I’m glad she told the truth, shows what type of person she is and how entitled she feels.
It's classic narcissism to talk about how great something is when it doesn't do anything or is grossly flawed - the reason they do that is they don't care about the product or philosophy or whatever they are constantly promoting like a broken record - they care about the attention that they get from others for it. They need that attention to survive - whatever prop they use to acquire it means nothing in comparison to the attention. She didn't succeed with it because when it became apparent early on that the product wouldn't work, she didn't care because there was already attention focused on it and therefore on her, the main and overriding objective (everything else just being there to support that aim). Sunny Balwani was a tool, the media was a tool, the company was a tool, all used to acquire attention, validation etc. She even used dropping out of college as a tool and looking like Steve Jobs (i.e. after he died she assumed his image and style).
Elizabeth Holmes is on borrowed time right now. But I'm sure all the yes men have her believing that she'll have a glorious victory on appeal and clear her name. Because she never did anything wrong from the start and it's all Balwani's fault and she's the real victim.
You can't appeal on a appeal and especially after a ruling the judge was paid and her still being free is criminal in itself this country justice system should be ashamed
Elizabeth is a Narcissist so she will go in there and complain! I served my time at Alderson Women’s FPC and I’ve met women like her! They were white collar just like me but didn’t do their homework by watching you. Although there were not enough information like this for preparing for women prison at the time I researched. I got sentenced in 2021 during the height of Covid. I’m working on information to prepare women on what to expect in a Women’s Prison Camps. Thanks for your knowledge and advice! Keep up the great work!
I just subscribed to the NYT so I could read the article. The journalist who interviewed "Liz" and Billy seems torn about them and not sure what to believe. That whole article also leaves me wondering about the true person behind the persona. Elizabeth does finally acknowledge the fake voice, so that's something. She also seems to admit that she was playing a character when she was CEO ... so, while she's not coming right out to say she lied about important facts, she at least admits she was faking many things. I find it interesting that she blamed David Boies and his law firm for intimidating and stalking her staff members who left her company ... as though she had no say in it whatsoever. I also find it interesting that David Boies and his team have never acknowledged any wrongdoing for their part in those intimidation tactics, which is complete bullshit. That kind of behaviour is criminal harassment, plain and simple. If ANYONE ELSE engaged in stalking people to the point of making them fear for their safety, they would be charged criminally (and eventually convicted) for doing so. And yet, somehow, this lawyer, his team, and the Theranos executives who all agreed to these insanely threatening tactics were never held accountable for doing this. David eventually went on to represent a Jeffrey Epstein victim to somehow cleanse his own reputation by making himself out to be some type of advocate for victims ... which is sickening to me. He should have been held accountable and lost his law license. If anything good came of it, at least it tarnished his image to some degree and will hopefully dissuade other corporate lawyers from utilizing the same tactics. It's sickening, just sickening what they did to Erika Cheung, Tyler Shultz, and others all in the name of protecting a "trade secret." All that said, I do think Elizabeth was so young and naïve when she started that company, and she did take a lot of bad advice from a lot of older men (like David Boies) who thought they were invincible and could get away with anything. Sad story all around.
Oh Justin, you are so way above her league. There are so many more people deserving of your advice. Join the Innocense Project, do anything, but drop her.
All this advice on how to get on with a successful life after committing serious crimes, white collar or not, against innocent people. It reminds me of the old saying, “Good behaviour in the first place is infinitely preferable to theatrical apologies after the transgression.”
Justin, Bravo....oh, and E. H. is absolutely hopeless. This is not only the very best vid on E.H. but on life. This is definitely Philosophy 201 - grad course of the best quality. I remember reading John Dean's book called Blind Ambition where his lawyer told him to be 100% self-effacing. It worked and he became the greatest witness in history. Being self-effacing and honest has ALWAYS helped me in my life. ALWAYS!!!! Sadly, now John Dean just tosses out crap that no one believes as he calls everything "worse than Watergate".
If you do the crime, you do the time. There are people in the system for 25 years for stealing far, far less before her state decriminalized petty shop lifting. $700m gone on a product that didn't work and could put consumers at hazard......... Just let it go man. 11 years is easy for what she did, lol. Remember what they did to the Enron guys or Madoff? This should be like ripping off a bandaid, if she just plead and went, she would have gotten an early parole and she would have gone to a tennis court, minimum security prison, and return to her family in two to five years. EDIT: Overall great video, you're very level headed and get it. I'm not an expert like you, but unfortunately, she signed off on statements and product info she knew was false. That's a crime under SOX, even if it's a mistake, or she was ignorant of the law. The buck has to stop somewhere and I think it should be at the boardroom. They're paid for more than performance: they have to keep investors safe.
Justin, you are wasting your time. Until the day she dies, Holmes will have no other attitude than: "I'm the fucking victim around here. The ONLY fucking victim. Victim of Balwani, victim of the press, victim of a judicial system hell bent on finding somebody to blame for things I had nothing to do with, and victim of a public that never took the time to understand what it was I was trying to do."
She is what happens when she surrounds herself with enablers. Remember she not only scammed her victims, she has Ian Gibbons blood on her hands. She cannot “own” her mistakes because she is a narcissist thru and thru. I hope she suffers every minute, hour, day she is in prison. She continues to prove she is deserving of our belief that she will not change. She will enter the prison system a sociopath and she will exit the prison a sociopath. The only thing difference is that she will be older.
Her lawyers exploited her for millions. If she had cooperated 7 years ago, she would be out now and only served 2.5 yrs. 11.5 year sentence - 5 year for snitching - 1 yr rdap - 1 yr fsa credits - 1 yr good time - 1 year halfway = 2.5 yrs served.
I just started listening to your podcasts. Maybe it is my limited exposure but you have too much compassion for white collar criminals. Too often, they are the ones who enjoyed a full array of advantages in life. Anyway inre Ms. Holmes. She made it clear who she is from the very beginning. As for "victims" can you forget for a moment about money. There is no true assessment of the damage caused by her fake tests. People might as well have been talking to their toaster
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Technically no but in reality yes ...she is a product of her father who was a VP at Enron ... the apple does not fall very far from the tree
Justin: "on that note I'm going to end it here." Video is half over. Not a complaint. Appreciate your info and the passion would make me want to hire you.
Investors LOST $9 billion. Individuals PAID that amount. Imagine the 1,000's of people that lost every dollar they invested. Id like to see that list of names and the $$$ they all lost. She is EVIL
I read the article and I was shocked to see that the editor of New York Times even approved to print this article. The article is an embarrassment for New York Times. How can a Fraudster be Authentic?? It amazes me that the reporter glorified Holmes' highly publicised trial as captive. As if it's something good and to boast about. She didn't ask Holmes difficult questions because Holmes had an 11 day old child and was sitting on a white sofa. Then the writer of this piece should get a different job; unfit to be called a journalist.
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She’s narcissistic and still playing the victim!
I am sorry, Justin, she is not going to learn. There is no treatment for what ails her. You can continue to believe that people can change; some people can, but she isn't one of them, unfortunately.
Treatment = prison. Hats off to the judge for giving her a long sentence, by white collar standards anyway.
Totally agree. She genuinely cannot get it through her thick skull that she is culpable. She is just going to get more and more salty and bitter in prison.
Oh she can change and had changed. For the worst.
Elizabeth just confirmed she hasn’t taken a second for introspection and accountability. Time in jail will give her time to figure this out. It seems like she still has a lot of “yes men” around her.
Enablers can be very, very damaging.
I figure this is how she came off during her interview with the probation officer and hence the officer recommended 9 years.
From reports, she seems to be a product of her upbringing so never expected real life repercussions that cannot be finessed with money or influence. Accepting true responsibility will require a shakeup of her core self & who knows if he's able or willing to go through it in order to come out of the other side.
@@amalali8712 wasn't her father involved in the Enron scandal?
@@debrawehrly6900 I believe he was a VP & lost his job when it all went down. It doesn't appear he was involved in the fraud. Was probably one of many who just lost their job as the level of deception was quite high up.
This was very interesting - you nailed it. BTW, I've learned for a fact that she hired a PR rep for the rich and famous to get this article into the NYTimes. I worked for her -- she's always been obsessed with PR, a book deal and documentary deal even after the indictments, her Wikipedia page in my last days there, and so on. She hasn't changed at all. The woman portrayed in that article is exactly who I worked for. She is the most dishonest person I've personally everencountered. She will never own up to and admit her wrongdoing. She's no Charles Van Doren.
Ha, it wasn’t me who told people my
technology worked, it was a character I created. The real me would have told those investors to run. She also still blamed Sunny, she blamed her lawyers for what happened to the whistleblowers, she took zero responsibility for anything. Then she talked about how when her company collapsed she had to go to burning man, and get away from it all, and spend the next several years on vacation hiking, meditating, living in mansions, while everyone else picked up the pieces of her mess. They also asked how she’s paying for her legal team and she said she’ll have to work her whole life to pay them, which she clearly has no actual interest in doing since she hasn’t worked in years and just had 2 babies.
As she is a proven liar, this basically doesn’t tell me anything about her that I do not already know or suspect about her. Just merely reinforced it.
@@PungiFungi she’s unreal. Most people do fraud scams like this after they’ve been in business for years, she was lying to everyone from day 1. And after this huge trial, years of news coverage, documentaries, and TV shows she still can’t stop lying to herself and everyone else. I think it’s going to take years in prison before she finally faces reality
She won’t apologize until she realizes she did something wrong. I give her 4 years in before she starts to understand what she did.
I think the four years is a good estimate. I have thought the same thing.
In 30 years, she still won't believe she did anything wrong.
She won't even do 1
The days she goes to prison will be a day I will be very surprised
Her empty eyes say it all - i pity the innocent children who were born to her…. and I truly believe they were conceived with a motive - judge’s sympathy at sentencing 😕
She might feel different if baby daddy stops taking her calls, gets someone else pregnant and gets married so their children have a mother. Maybe he was just playing a character.
I am sure he’s gay and this was a business arrangement. She already gave the Evans family a male heir.
2 heir's. Interesting. It's how she secured regular packages for the next 11years! 😂😮🤠😎
@@melaniethomas8401 these babies, if they failed to keep her out of jail, will be used as anchor babies on the Evans family money.
I read the article this morning. The doctor didn't know the name of the patient he was treating? That didn't make sense to me either.
Yup. Felt forced.
Probably another lie…. Like her story about the uncle who had to say goodbye too soon.
@@PungiFungi based on the article the Times did on my company, that is something I presume they would have fact-checked. Or maybe not in this case. Just seems out of place, odd.
Yes that was the first thing that came in to my head. A ridiculous story.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial is it possible the physician may have sauntered into the room, ER - I'm guessing, and just eye-balled her son's vitals and never looked at the last name ? I worked in an ER, I could see a clinician doing that -- who knows-
parting shot...no apologies... she names this child Invicta? She trying to be invincible through a cruel naming convention? How about convicta?
Invicta sounds like a short for Incarcerated Convict.
I don't care about the money or investors. While I appreciate those are the charges she was convicted on, I'm far more concerned about the patients given false results that put their health and wellbeing at risk or the employees harassed to the point of one taking his own life.
A whoopsie let me pay you back for something that wasn't really my fault isn't any less offensive than her only caring about herself and dad bods.
Exactly
"Liz" gave zero fucks...and that's just one of the reasons she off to prison...at long last. She has never accepted responsibility...still believes her technology could work, blah blah blah. She fucked around and found out. Egg on the faces of those wealthy, well-connected top 1%ers...for them, cry 'em a river. The patients, that's a different story.
Ditto
Excellent video once again Justin. You nailed it. I read the thesis long interview and it really was infuriating reading it from start to finish. All the more I see a really professional con artist who as you said, still shows no accountability. However I really don't understand why you waste your time in explaining that retribution is possible from her in the future. People don't care if she does or doesn't accept responsibility. The damage is done. She will never humble herself. Just look at that family photo cover of her carrying her baby, still and will always be manipulative
I just don't feel that Elizabeth understands the meaning of the word "accountability." She went to Stanford with a major ego attitude. She ran her entire company on image and fraud. Now, she continues to be spoiled, entitled, and enabled by her wealthy, connected family and husband. I have serious doubts this woman will ever serve any time in jail.
Narcissists don't change.
I too was gobsmacked while reading her article and thank you Justin for your sound response to it. I’m truly lost for words. No acknowledgment of any wrongdoing and still playing victim. She’s living in cuckoo land and due for a very sharp wake up call!
A lot of people thought the reporter was brought into Holmes’ manipulation. It seems like she did…. Until the very end when she revealed how Holmes and Evans insisted on her hanging around because they both knew people in Holmes’ presence are easily taken in by her. So she’s admitting the whole experience was a con.
When I read the article, because I've watched your videos, I immediately recognized that she made no comment about the investors she defrauded, or the patients that were harmed by the test results her faulty machines made. She's been ordered in pay over $8 million to her investors and others that she defrauded. She made no mention of that or how she intends to make them whole. The article was all about her. I also think that's she's done a disservice to other young female entrepreneurs who already have a tough time proving their seriousness and validity to investors. Because of Holmes, investors may be even more wary of giving money to other young women who come to them with proposals, no matter how well founded the ideas are.
her character she ‘created’ lied. it’s as if she thinks the world is stupid. her employees witnessed her extreme surveillance and she thinks people should believe she had no idea what was going on. I still think her story is fascinating though, great stuff haha
another thing too, i call bs on blaming Sonny for the heavy influencing of the creation of the character and pushing the black turtlenecks. I believe it’s likely she wants to distance her ‘character’ attributes from Steve Jobs for personal legacy reasons...she’s concerned that people will perceive her as a failed wannabe, so it’s convenient to dump that whole situation of cringe on Sonny
She does think the world is stupid. I agree that her biggest worry is that she is desperate not to be seen as a failure. It’s laughable that Balwani was any sort of Svengali figure to this bone-headed female.
You're very fun to listen to, Justin. You bring some genuine passion to analyzing these issues, and I've been learning a lot from you in these videos. Like you, I also hope she puts her life back together, but my perception is that since her principal problem is pride she has to fix that first. People want to contrition from her, but I think she'd rather die than admit she did anything wrong, let alone apologize for it.
At any rate please continue to put out these analyses. You keep it real.
Holmes still won't accept any responsibility for Theranos crimes. She's freaking out and desperate to to stay out of prison. No doubt her trust fund baby boyfriend thinks this will help!
Why won’t anyone feel sorry for her with her luxury stay-at-home lifestyle!!!
She is a narcissist, she will never admit to being at fault for anything. Let’s not make it sound as if her skill set is valuable. She is an entitled crook, a fake, without remorse. Watch, during this appeal period she will get pregnant again. She has children for the wrong reasons. She cares for no one but herself.
I’m also not sure how valuable her ‘skills’ are. This is a woman who loved to brag that all she did was work and sleep… and the best she could manage when asked was that her magic machine ‘did chemistries’. Her dumb company was an abject failure. That doesn’t really speak for any ‘skills’.
She's going to dress like an innocent person
Such a good comment, thank you. No one should hold their breath waiting for her to acknowledge anything.
So true
The day Holmes NYT interview came out, I stated she should fire her crisis mgmt team, or whoever’s been advising her. The whole media message is flat-footed n entitled.
Willingly proclaiming she took six month vacation, never publicly thanking court for scheduling around her pregnancies, living in ocean front beach property etc…all further reinforce her image as out-it-touch with victims of Theranos debacle. And her interview only furthers her elitist and excessive persona.
I agree with Paperny that she can make great changes during incarceration. But first she has to surrender physically and emotionally. Then she has ample time and opportunity to reflect on her conduct, apologize, and build a new life.
Her father was a VP at Enron. I really don't think she will ever take responsibility. With her growing up with that role model, she will never see the damage she has done.
BINGO apple doesn't fall far from the tree
Such an accurate,incisive analysis. That article was as unwise as the 180 letters she got people to send to the court.
You hope Elizabeth Holmes will teach a class while in prison. With all due respect, what could she teach? Her only life experience is a privileged childhood, a year or two of college, and defrauding family, friends, and investors out of billions of dollars. She should take the time to complete her formal education and to recognize the women she’s serving time with can teach her far more than she could teach them.
The victims are also the individuals who received incorrect results from their blood tests because of Holmes 😢
Exactly! How is she going to make that right? She doesn’t care and has never cared about her employees, her business partners and least of all the patients who trusted her “invention.”
When a person shows you who they really are..believe them the first time
Scary enough this psychopath had kids LOCK HER UP!
$30 million in legal fees! $30 million!?!?!? I am in the wrong profession, I should have gone to law school.
She's scam artist who has lived the life of a billionaire. Do you actually believe that she would ever accept her role as a convict and b proud of cleaning toilets and earning a couple bucks an hour?
The way you and your business partner have turned your lives around continues to astound me. Cheers to you for being a role model not only for inmates and ex-inmates, but for society in general.
The online comments to the NYT article are uniformly negative, so it seems “Liz” didn’t achieve her objective with this puff piece.
Why is she not in prison? why is she constantly getting away with her crimes? I don't care that she has no remorse, I just want her in prison why is she not in prison as you said she would be?
So after seven years of not talking to the press and now we got this, a rehash and repeat of of what those character reference letters were saying. She is distancing herself from her former incarnation because that was a character created by Sunny Balwani, and was not her. Straight out of that Bloom County strip: it wasn't me, it was the booze. My dog beats me, victimization disorder, I wasn't myself.
And the audacity of telling us not to believe what was in the media. Liz, we do not need to, Your very words and actions before, during and after the trial affirm and confirm every negative thing the media said about you. We saw it with our own eyes.
This article was just a waste of time and showed that she is just crafting another persona. If the previous one was a character, what makes this one genuine?
She is just a narcissist and scam artist. She should be in jail serving her sentence. No sympathy please.
Justin when do you expect the decision on her appeal to come out? Based on Balwani's same appeal, would you say 3 weeks?
Soon, I can think. Soon she goes in.
I just read the article. It really was a mistake. It doesn't paint her in a positive light AT ALL. But at least she admitted the voice was fake. At least we finally got that much truth out of her.
And her family was insisting it was real. 🙄 So which is it?
I didn't read where Ms. Holmes admitted her voice was fake, merely the actor..
@@angelapaez8000 The fact that the voice is gone is an admission. In the article, her dude is literally making fun of the voice and saying it was weird while she was sitting right there.
Well said, Justin. I hear in your voice that you've learned from criminal penance. However, that woman has always shown herself as a psychopath. At least she wasn't a murderous psychopath.
Elizabeth lost me at the gate. Hand-holding with MOMMY!?! Everything about her was cooked up. Old hags (I’m 70) like me didn’t bite.
Where is Child protective Services? Having two kids before you go to prison is just crazy but A fraudster will always be a fraudster
She still hasn't taken responsibility. She somehow thinks she will get out of having to serve her sentence.
Great piece Justin....
Im in the other camp, i believe she won't change (yet)
That article was crafted to project her new narrative. She tried a ploy used previously with tbe aim that we love the new her and just wrap up the previous mistake and wipe the slate clean.
Unfortunately for her, the judiciary circuit dont pay attention to this view ..... Off to the clink for you girl.
Than you for sharing the article
You’re welcome!
You're perfect! Love your insightful and passionate videos. Please keep 'em coming... definitely have become a fan of yours lately, Justin, and look forward to your future uploads! ⚖️💕🙏
I'm sorry you feel this way, I mean it! 🤣🤣 But you know it wasn't my fault! I was secretly domestically abused by the orchestrator of my character! 😂🤣
Narcissistic is a word thrown about loosely these days, but some people actually are narcissistic in all its glorious awfulness.
Justin, I needed to hear this today! I can do better! Thank you!
Where can I get your book?
Wonderful critique! If she weren’t so narcissistic, she would’ve delayed any interview until after the appeal process was complete. She is absolutely incapable of owning her actions and their impact. I’d love to explore her family system; this apple fell close to the tree.
No! You're awesome to believe in the possibility of change!
I believe!!!
Ohh, is her luxury stay-at-home lifestyle still not getting her the sympathy she wants? Huh! Who knew?
Her hubby and her think that submitting those STAGED photos of them and the kids with their shit eating grins, surrounded by their luxurious residence will convinced the judge that she had been "punished" enough already and deserved home confinement.
Always enjoy your commentary Justin!
Your jacket reminds me of Captain Picard of the USS Enterprise! Thank you for everything you do!
She is not a young mother. She is an older mother who spent her younger days hurting all of us in some way. Our fathers and mothers may have had her skewed Walgreens tests because of selfish bamboozling.
Elizabeth needs to do 20 years instead of 10 years
I disagree that the article has no value. It disabused you of your illusions about Elizabeth Holmes. It showed us her attitude towards her crimes on the eve of her incarceration. I wondered if she did any looking at herself in the interim, and now I know that she hasn't.
I think Elizabeth blew it again. She's not going to have anyone rooting for her anymore.
She can still do better, but this didn’t help.
Hubris caused my actions that enabled me to break the law and create victims. Regained humility allowed me to take responsibility for my actions and to now work every day to make amends. Don’t stop brother. The world needs this message.
This is profound insight right here. Agreed she had her chance to prove everyone wrong and she remorse-but she didn’t and thus let the wheels of Justice take & humble her.
Justin….do you think she would have been given less of a sentence if she had pleaded guilty right from the start?
Absolutely. And she would have had opportunity to cooperate against Balwani.
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial I think her sentence would have been far less if she had pleaded guilty, cooperated against Balwani and shown remorse, humility, regret and concern for patients and investors. Along with a ‘sincere’ desire to make amends. I remember when she first pleaded not guilty (same with Balwani), I thought of your channel and the advice you give. It struck me that she would spend a huge amount of money on a legal defence with a not guilty plea, be convicted, then receive a sizeable sentence. Perhaps if she’d seen the light right from the start she might have got …. what…..5-6 years?
She seems to have shown no wisdom whatsoever and I believe her defence has milked her financially perhaps with false assurances re being found not guilty. This latest escapade in the NYT shows that she simply doesn’t ever learn.
You’re upset that she told the truth about how she really feels. I disagree, I’m glad she told the truth, shows what type of person she is and how entitled she feels.
Great post. I can totally see her coming to you for help now. Do us all a favor and say no.
It's classic narcissism to talk about how great something is when it doesn't do anything or is grossly flawed - the reason they do that is they don't care about the product or philosophy or whatever they are constantly promoting like a broken record - they care about the attention that they get from others for it. They need that attention to survive - whatever prop they use to acquire it means nothing in comparison to the attention. She didn't succeed with it because when it became apparent early on that the product wouldn't work, she didn't care because there was already attention focused on it and therefore on her, the main and overriding objective (everything else just being there to support that aim). Sunny Balwani was a tool, the media was a tool, the company was a tool, all used to acquire attention, validation etc. She even used dropping out of college as a tool and looking like Steve Jobs (i.e. after he died she assumed his image and style).
Elizabeth Holmes is on borrowed time right now. But I'm sure all the yes men have her believing that she'll have a glorious victory on appeal and clear her name. Because she never did anything wrong from the start and it's all Balwani's fault and she's the real victim.
Justin - you’re right: She can do it IF she wants to.
That’s right!
You can't appeal on a appeal and especially after a ruling the judge was paid and her still being free is criminal in itself this country justice system should be ashamed
Oh Elizabeth Holmes prob the only person in American History to stay out of prison legally after being convicted.
Excellent video. Thank you Sir
wow, you've done the inner work with yourself and it shows..good man.
She doesn't WANT to do it! COULD doesn't matter.
Sorry not to focus on the content but…Please can you tell me where you got that cool top
So true
Do you think she will have a tougher time in prison because of her fame and her unwillingness to show remorse etc? Will her fellow prisoners care?
Elizabeth is a Narcissist so she will go in there and complain! I served my time at Alderson Women’s FPC and I’ve met women like her! They were white collar just like me but didn’t do their homework by watching you. Although there were not enough information like this for preparing for women prison at the time I researched. I got sentenced in 2021 during the height of Covid. I’m working on information to prepare women on what to expect in a Women’s Prison Camps. Thanks for your knowledge and advice! Keep up the great work!
Text me at 818-424-2220. Let’s work together.
I just subscribed to the NYT so I could read the article. The journalist who interviewed "Liz" and Billy seems torn about them and not sure what to believe. That whole article also leaves me wondering about the true person behind the persona. Elizabeth does finally acknowledge the fake voice, so that's something. She also seems to admit that she was playing a character when she was CEO ... so, while she's not coming right out to say she lied about important facts, she at least admits she was faking many things. I find it interesting that she blamed David Boies and his law firm for intimidating and stalking her staff members who left her company ... as though she had no say in it whatsoever. I also find it interesting that David Boies and his team have never acknowledged any wrongdoing for their part in those intimidation tactics, which is complete bullshit. That kind of behaviour is criminal harassment, plain and simple. If ANYONE ELSE engaged in stalking people to the point of making them fear for their safety, they would be charged criminally (and eventually convicted) for doing so. And yet, somehow, this lawyer, his team, and the Theranos executives who all agreed to these insanely threatening tactics were never held accountable for doing this. David eventually went on to represent a Jeffrey Epstein victim to somehow cleanse his own reputation by making himself out to be some type of advocate for victims ... which is sickening to me. He should have been held accountable and lost his law license. If anything good came of it, at least it tarnished his image to some degree and will hopefully dissuade other corporate lawyers from utilizing the same tactics. It's sickening, just sickening what they did to Erika Cheung, Tyler Shultz, and others all in the name of protecting a "trade secret." All that said, I do think Elizabeth was so young and naïve when she started that company, and she did take a lot of bad advice from a lot of older men (like David Boies) who thought they were invincible and could get away with anything. Sad story all around.
“Dad bod” OMG NY Times 😂
No self awareness.
Thank you for exposing where EH's mind is at this point!! So sad! You are right. I hope she receives some psychological help.
She put lives in danger and shes still not in jail.
Oh Justin, you are so way above her league. There are so many more people deserving of your advice. Join the Innocense Project, do anything, but drop her.
All this advice on how to get on with a successful life after committing serious crimes, white collar or not, against innocent people. It reminds me of the old saying, “Good behaviour in the first place is infinitely preferable to theatrical apologies after the transgression.”
Justin, your POV on Sunni Balwani who has said nothing, but also has shown no contrition unless I missed it.
Justin, Bravo....oh, and E. H. is absolutely hopeless. This is not only the very best vid on E.H. but on life. This is definitely Philosophy 201 - grad course of the best quality. I remember reading John Dean's book called Blind Ambition where his lawyer told him to be 100% self-effacing. It worked and he became the greatest witness in history. Being self-effacing and honest has ALWAYS helped me in my life. ALWAYS!!!! Sadly, now John Dean just tosses out crap that no one believes as he calls everything "worse than Watergate".
If you do the crime, you do the time. There are people in the system for 25 years for stealing far, far less before her state decriminalized petty shop lifting. $700m gone on a product that didn't work and could put consumers at hazard.........
Just let it go man. 11 years is easy for what she did, lol. Remember what they did to the Enron guys or Madoff?
This should be like ripping off a bandaid, if she just plead and went, she would have gotten an early parole and she would have gone to a tennis court, minimum security prison, and return to her family in two to five years.
EDIT: Overall great video, you're very level headed and get it. I'm not an expert like you, but unfortunately, she signed off on statements and product info she knew was false. That's a crime under SOX, even if it's a mistake, or she was ignorant of the law. The buck has to stop somewhere and I think it should be at the boardroom. They're paid for more than performance: they have to keep investors safe.
Justin, you are wasting your time. Until the day she dies, Holmes will have no other attitude than: "I'm the fucking victim around here. The ONLY fucking victim. Victim of Balwani, victim of the press, victim of a judicial system hell bent on finding somebody to blame for things I had nothing to do with, and victim of a public that never took the time to understand what it was I was trying to do."
She is what happens when she surrounds herself with enablers. Remember she not only scammed her victims, she has Ian Gibbons blood on her hands. She cannot “own” her mistakes because she is a narcissist thru and thru. I hope she suffers every minute, hour, day she is in prison. She continues to prove she is deserving of our belief that she will not change. She will enter the prison system a sociopath and she will exit the prison a sociopath. The only thing difference is that she will be older.
Her lawyers exploited her for millions.
If she had cooperated 7 years ago, she would be out now and only served 2.5 yrs.
11.5 year sentence - 5 year for snitching - 1 yr rdap - 1 yr fsa credits - 1 yr good time - 1 year halfway = 2.5 yrs served.
I just started listening to your podcasts. Maybe it is my limited exposure but you have too much compassion for white collar criminals. Too often, they are the ones who enjoyed a full array of advantages in life. Anyway inre Ms. Holmes. She made it clear who she is from the very beginning. As for "victims" can you forget for a moment about money. There is no true assessment of the damage caused by her fake tests. People might as well have been talking to their toaster
No, you are correct: I do have compassion for those working to make amends, through actions and hard work, not happy talk. I am one of them.
A sociopath will never take accountability because they do not think they have done anything wrong. They have no empathy.
Being raised by a very wise attorney- I know what I would say- Nothing!👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼
Well, she is a classic narcissist. Total lack of insight. This will not change after a term in prison either. Narcissism is not curable.
why isn't the baby daddy or parents helping pay back anyone
how many believe there will be a NEW pregnancy?
Is it their responsibility?
@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial Technically no but in reality yes ...she is a product of her father who was a VP at Enron ... the apple does not fall very far from the tree
She's not sorry.
Don't give up hope. Some people will never be anything but a victim.
Thank you.
Justin: "on that note I'm going to end it here." Video is half over. Not a complaint. Appreciate your info and the passion would make me want to hire you.
The princess has never done one wrong thing.
Why does anyone believe a conwoman?
Sir you are letting your guard down
You are not alone in your assessment
I'll bet my life savings on "the doctor" incident never happened!
I’m also not a buyer
I am a subscriber 😊
Investors LOST $9 billion. Individuals PAID that amount. Imagine the 1,000's of people that lost every dollar they invested. Id like to see that list of names and the $$$ they all lost. She is EVIL
When is she going to jail? Not soon enough! This guy has got a massive " woody" for her. Lame...
She wil not go to prison
I read the article and I was shocked to see that the editor of New York Times even approved to print this article. The article is an embarrassment for New York Times.
How can a Fraudster be Authentic?? It amazes me that the reporter glorified Holmes' highly publicised trial as captive. As if it's something good and to boast about. She didn't ask Holmes difficult questions because Holmes had an 11 day old child and was sitting on a white sofa. Then the writer of this piece should get a different job; unfit to be called a journalist.