Gravity - Clip (3/11): Matt Kowalski's Death
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- This is the scene where Matt Kowalski sort of dies. He actually doesn't die right away. His death is not included in the video, but I'll upload his real death sometime soon.
the laws of physics do not apply in this scene
Really? Where?
Unless Matt had a force applied to him stronger than what Ryan has the Strength to pull. But there are hundreds of errors in this movie
Tehguy248 YT Centrifugal force ;-)
And there are not hundreds of errors. Of course there are some, like any movie, but not that much.
Your understanding of the laws of physics does not apply. Try looking up Centrifugal Force.
Cg23sailor You look it up. Notice the rotation bit?
How is he still floating away. A little tug would have brought him back.
"Gravity is the story of how George Clooney would rather float away into space and die than spend one more minute with a woman his own age."
-Tina Fey, 2014 Golden Globes
Damn
I remember watching that and cracking up 😂 she and Amy are the perfect duo.
That got a big laugh!
Also known as the Leonardo DiCaprio story. If she’s over 25 she’s too old for me.
😂😂😂
I have to do it:
**ahem**
*Matt Was Not The Imposter*
lmaoo
a
Lmaooo...I can't...stop...the visions
The cameraman could've saved them both by bringing them into his ship. They could've all came back to earth together
Ikr
lmao
Behind the scenes of the movie they weren’t actually in space it was just green screen
@@coreysownyoutube582 no shit
@@coreysownyoutube582 are u serious
Yes, the mistake in this scene is incredible. There is absolutely no way he would be "pulling her with him." All she would have to do is give the rope a quick, tiny tug and he would come floating right back. Amazing.
Right? I hate all the people saying “but centrifugal force, the space station is spinning.” The station is barely spinning, the force it’s generating is negligible at best.
@@Dovahkiin049 The audience crying watching this, bank balance spinning upwards.. force is too strong in this but you can’t see.
@@Dovahkiin049 I was a defender of the centrifugal force theory, but now I see how it just explains nothing lol
@@Dovahkiin049he is being pulled away due to the gravity of all planets from Mars to Pluto.. that woman can't win against such huge force. You all are so dumb.
I was wondering why she didnt just pull the rope a little
Every time I see this, it literally enrages me. I want to like this movie, but this death is just too absurd. If you want to kill off a character for plot convenience, make sure it obeys physics.
Physics is obeyed here kid..2nd or 3rd Newton law.
+UberInfiniteGaming remind me how the 2nd or 3rd law is in play here
Koscienator Sure. -Grabs out a thick book-
+UberInfiniteGaming
Lualdu, its right, rest its rest, there has to be gravity to attract something in space, and the earth was not relevant since they already rested acceleration with the speed of the space station, so if Ryan manage to stop Matt, then she surly could have pull hem back, at minimal risk, with small acceleration so that the parachute strep's don't give away, but whats completely stupid even if she didn't pull hem toward her, since the straps could give way, its that when he disengage, he goes away... by what power????
*****
Well maybe if you sugar coat it, yes, but the fact was that they sop moving! the acceleration its not necessarily linear, if you get a jolt then a jolt is, and if you get a small push that that's what it is, so when she grabbed hem, that was a jolt rather then a gentile grab, and the rope didn't give way then, so in reality, he should have align hes movement to hers, the problem its in the time that they presented the facts and the force inflicted on them. If the action was presented faster and the force of deceleration a lot smaller, then it would be possible for mat to drift away, but IF HE STOOPED THEN THAT'S IT!!!! you can accelerate with no force. and they were linked more then a second, and as I said those jolts that she got from the parachute rope would stop them both, or give way a LOT faster!
Sorry but your wrong, and if you think that I have some problem with the movie, your wrong as well, I just like physics and I don't like when people don't understand them.
PS: Understand! this is their acceleration! not some gravity well, why did they didn't rest their acc? in reality if you encounter so many force pushes that they get, you would not only stop but get reversed...
kowalski never made it back, he will float forever in space. Unable to die even though he wished for it. Eventually, he stopped thinking.
Kars indirectly ended the universe
Hahahahaha :D
He will have reached at least mars by now
...
Lol wdym hell run out of oxygen, water, and food he’s long gone
Why didn't she use the force to bring him back? Oh wait...wrong movie.
+Canaan B *waa waa*
Of course it is! This is Gravity, not Star Wars, silly!
Celestyna B. He was joking
And wrong characters
I'd love to see Star Wars done like The Expanse😂.
JUST PULL THE ROPE THAT'S ON YOUR LEG FOR A MOVIE CALLED GRAVITY THEY KINDA DONT GET THE CONCEPT OF IT
***** Well I wasn't given millions of dollars to make that comment.
***** Why do you even care? Don't you have anything better to do than to correct someone you don't even know on the internet for no reason?
***** Also you used a comma wrong in your previous comment. l u l
***** Um...I don't care?
***** Then why did you even reply to my comment?
I can't believe that the penguin from Madagascar died. :.(
😢
Imagine if he’d let go of the tether, but simply floated awkwardly in that exact same spot for a good solid minute of silence just 6-7 feet away from her 😂😂😂
They totally should have done that
😂that what should have happened
Well, that what should have happened lol
This comment got me good 🤣👌
You mean like the laws of physics say he would
Here's a physics breakdown of the situation. Being an inertial force, gravity can be neglected (both are falling with the same acceleration) and we can consider the reference frame in which the space station doesn't move. From 1:17 onwards, the only forces acting upon Bullock and Clooney should be the tensions of the cables, and these forces should pull them *towards the station* (making them bounce at first and then becoming zero as the cables retract). In the movie, however, there appears to be another force pulling from Clooney, keeping the cables straight and threatening to break them. This force simply does not exist, that is the problem with the scene.
Edited for typos.
The force pulling Clooney is the director's interpretation of the term "the vacuum of Space"
What really doesn't make sense is how they magically lose the rotational movement they have in relation to the space station up until around 0:46. You see her swing through a gigantic arc, and they're still going upwards when the cord reaches tension. If they hadn't magically lost the upward momentum for the negotiation scenes after this point, then him floating away would have been correct since she'd continue spinning around and his travel would have switched to being linear. They almost got it right, but those negotiation scenes where they're clearly not rotating anymore where the ones that turns it into nonsense.
@@jimbob277777 That's the irritating part. It's such an easy fix
Aliens its definitelly aliens
That’s what I was wondering like why is Clooney being pulled and why does Ryan bounce back when he lets go?
Is there an alien pulling George away from Sandra???
Yes, and the Alien's name is "Centrifugal Force"
Cg23sailor What are you talking about? Earth is clearly visibly fixed in one place in the shots showing Bullock, so is the station. Why would it rotate in the first place, the only thing that touched it was the two astronauts.
Cg23sailor
I don't get it. So the alien is named after actual centrifugal force or something?
BoxxyFan
Sorry Boxyfan, but you're either too stupid that any explanation will go right over your head, or you're trolling. Either way... any explanation is wasted on you.
John Tyson The station is not rotating. THEY are rotating about the station, swinging from the end of those cables holding her.
Watch at about 0:20 as she first gets hooked in the ropes. That is the START of the swing.
If you cannot see it there, no amount of pointing out the obvious in the rest of the scenes to you will do any good.
I loved the movie, but this scene was entirely unnecessary. Once Matt's velocity was countered by the rope, nothing should have been pulling him away. There'd have been no force in space to keep him moving. His velocity relative to the I.S.S. was already neutralized, so his momentum was zero. Hell, a slight tug would've even saved his life, seeing as it would have sent him (slowly) drifting back towards the station. Though, despite this major physics flaw, I still enjoyed the movie. Don't let a little inaccuracy ruin the whole thing for you, guys.
Breaking News: Kowalskis velocity relative to the I.S.S was NOT Zero as you can see between 1:16 and 1:22
Libertinus79 Exactly. that's what's breaking the laws of physics. Once he snapped back and stopped actually moving, nothing would've been pulling him. the station isn't spinning, so there's no force there, and it's not like he has strings attached to his legs pulling him away. he should have been fine the second the rope didn't snap and he "stopped moving".
Ethan d
What are you talking about? When exactly does he snap back and stops moving?
Libertinus79 0:46. He was no longer moving. Nothing was pulling on him. Now, unless he had infinite inertia, that shouldn't have happened. It defies the laws of physics.
Ethan d
"He was no longer moving."
I dont see that at all.
He didn't need infinite inertia to keep going. He just needed enough to overwhelm the decelarating effect of the ropes attached to Bullock.
I didn’t cry when he unthethered himself, but I cried when she said “I had you. I had you.”
I actually though she said "i hate you" because she was mad at Matt for not understanding the laws of physics. great movie tho :3
he should've replied "you never had me..you never had your car"
womp womp
Aside from the physic flaws in this scene for plot convenience let’s just take a moment to imagine how scary and isolated it must feel knowing that your just floating amidst the vast expansion of space. No one to contact. No noise. Your helpless and your sat there just lingering in your thoughts. I would just take of my space helmet at that point and accept fate...
its a flaw in execution, not physics
@@k1productions87 it's a flaw in physics. This scene is telling us that something is pulling Clooney away while there's nothing to pull him away. Initially he got pushed, yes, but after the wires caught him that should've been it. According to physics Clooney would've made the cable stretch as much as it can and then the cable, almost like a bouncing motion, would've pulled him back towards the ship. Because there's nothing that keeps pulling/pushing him away, it's just the aftermath of the initial push. The cable would've been able to overpower that
@@shawn.spencer No, nothing is pulling at him. His momentum was never fully arrested. The straps were never fully taut. It only appeared they weren't moving because we only saw from their perspective. Yet, in the wide shots, they are still clearly moving away from the station.
In space, everything is relative. If you are holding position with another craft, you appear to not be moving, yet the two of you are still moving at 17,500 mph relative to the Earth below.
Compared to each other, Stone and Kowalski appeared to be not moving, but they were still BOTH moving away from the station. She was still moving away when she let go of him, but without his mass, the tension on the straps lessened, so her velocity was arrested more quickly until finally she began to snap back.
It is not a physics fail, it is simply a fault of the movie not properly conveying what was happening. Really all it did was extend the sequence of events too long, just so it was more understandable to the general audience. Apollo 13 did the same damned thing, yet I don't hear ANYBODY complaining about that movie being a "physics fail"
@UCWlrSq21eFPiAKQYd2cc1nw the pacing of it is what is off. The sequence of events is time-stretched from what should have been a matter of seconds, to nearly a full minute just to heighten the drama.
That is a failure of execution, NOT a physics fail. From a physics standpoint, the momentum was not cancelled out, and until it was, the combined mass of both of them was too much for the straps to handle, and so he had to shed his mass in order for her to survive.
If the scene was made real-world proper, the audience would have no clue what was going on or why, especially because it would have to happen so fast. But a movie's primary goal should be audience comprehension.
And no, not "every astronaut and physicist" by any stretch of the imagination. Only a select few even commented on it, and of those that do,... only the ones who speak disparagingly are shown, because everyone wants to make everyone else hate this movie... for some strange reason.
Is it just because it otherwise looks so good that you feel you are somehow obligated to tear it down? I don't understand the sheer... DESPERATION to smear this movie.
I think removing your helmet would give you a painful death
I really liked this movie. A lot. But this scene pisses me off. The phantom forces acting on Kowalski makes no sense.
+Sebastian “Fatal Gravity” Roll
Anyone who paid attention in school would know this makes no sense.
+Sebastian “Fatal Gravity” Roll The phantom scene make sense on the Cuaron's Universe, indeed !
Newtons 1st Law.
Plus he was still being pulled because the station was slightly spinning.
+Sebastian “Fatal Gravity” Roll It makes sense in the fact that they used it for dramatic effect.
And here we see Kowalski drifting off due to the effects of MAGIC!
Yeah thats what I thought aswell. I mean if he has the exact same speed as she has and the station, why cant one just pull him back towards the vessel? Why does he still accelerate away from everything?
***** I like to think the writers are physically pulling him away from it by controlling physics with the story.
+Avaruusmurkku Aren't they at freefall at orbit? From what I can gather, Kowalski simply kept falling slower than the station does. So it's not drifting, it's dragging behind.
kingofmaiar Nope. They were flung in different directions on ridiculous speeds after Kowalski detached himself. That's not how momentum works.
Still unclear to me. And I take a rock of salt when listening physics from internet people. Excuse me for that. Aside from that, wow fastest answer ever.
So there was a completely random Black Hole nearby, and off screen pulling on him why he just floated off like that?
On him and just him alone?
Did he actually get sucked into a fifth dimensional region of time space that allowed him to communicate in the future, and do other stuff?
Is this movie for some reason the prequel to Interstellar?
Or is it related to Tomorrowland?
Lol nice
huh? there momentum was pulling them both
Sure! ........Except that any and all momentum would have ceased the second Dr. Stone brought him to a stop. And in that weightless environment she could even pulled him back, even if with the use of a gentle tug, to cause him to drift back her slowly.
His momentum, more or less, couldn't keep him moving away like that if he is weightless, because it is an object's weight along with it's direction of travel that influences continued momentum.
The less an object weighs the easier it is to alter, and change its momentum.
And since they are in orbit that should have been quite easy, since there was no gravity to provide a continuous force to keep him moving.
Other than the random black hole that was off screen and pulling only on him.
no she was pulling him with her. if he didn't let go she would gone with him
But the lack of gravity, means they are weightless which means he couldn't pull anyone with him like what depicted in this scene.
Sure the lines that she was tangled in might have loosened on her a bit, but she would have been able to pull Kowarski back to her before a real issue arose.
This is a movie where two astronauts were able to push the Hubble space Telescope away from a docking clamp while in space. It took a little bit of effort to get it going cause it still had some mass compared to them but it was doable.
That being said one said one astronaut trying to save another from drifting off should be doable with even greater ease. cause their masses are about the same thus a rescue should be easy and less dramtic than what we saw in a zero gravity environment.
Unless of course there is a George Clooney specific - attractive singularity present, generated by his fan on earth. Or all earths if you factor in multiverse theory.
Then at that point science doesn't matter.
Thing play out just because they do. and physics breaks down.
this scene is typical in many climbing movies, one of the climber must sacrifice to save the others on the verge of a cliff.
Except he didn't need to die that way at all. Nothing was pulling on him.
Or Titanic?
Space isn't a mountain
Don't scroll down, there's "Physics Experts" arguing below.
Lol
And they are right, this is not something that so hard to understand about. Just right and wrong
It was literally a magical force pulling Clooney
Dont need to be a physics expert to know it makes no sense
Use your brain please
Emil doesn't take a genius to know what's wrong with this scene.
Isaac Newton would be so proud if this scene.
Isaac Newton: "This is my favorite scene in this movie everything else is crap."
😂
Well, actually he would be, because at no point do we ever see their momentum cancelled out. Objects in motion remain in motion until acted upon by an equal and opposite force. The loosely wrapped straps had not arrested their motion, and any attempt for the higher mass Kowalski to pull at the lower mass Stone would have caused him to pull her away from ISS, not pulling him toward it. Plus, any sudden extra movement could have broken the already slight grip the strap did have upon her.
The only problem was how strongly they jerked
Actually that scene is very wrong from a physics POV.
Why did Spider-Man's dead father upload a clip from Gravity?
TheAmazinTacoChannel I thought it was the Tiger from Life of Pi?
jesus there like on earth not in space, he couldve been easily pulled back if they made it realistic.
But they made it emotional
“Physics has left the chat”
Lol
Best comment!
So many people comment without any clue about physics.
1:58 "Hey don't mind me, i'll contact you when i'm in Andromeda galaxy."
You do realize even if this did happen, he wouldn't go into space, he would actually get stuck in Earth's orbit like Saturn.
Favorite comment!
It would have been a cool alternative if they both would have started to float away from the station and he would kick Ryan to send her to the station and push himself away from the station sacrificing himself in the process.
2nd one wouldve worked perfectly
That 2nd would make sooooo much more sense than this
I would watch whatever movie the second one happened in
The physics is so wrong in this scene. I thought this was a documentary. Instead it's just a fictional allegory about the desire to live, to start taking hold of your own life, for fighting till the end no matter how dark things get. This is bullshit. The groundbreaking special effects, exquisite cinematography and brilliant score are ruined because this movie doesn't imitate real life 100%
There always has to be that one person.
Just enjoy the movie. We all know what you are talking about but it's a freaking movie....
Eric Heart Re-read what I wrote so as not to look clueless...
+poontang3zizo I'm clueless but yet you are the one who is complaining about something that's made in Hollywood. Maybe you didn't comprehend what I said so I'll break it down for you,it's a MOVIE, we all know most of the scene isn't scientifically possible so shut up and just enjoy the movie. Got it??
Eric Heart Again, re-read what I wrote. This time I'll give you a hint - sarcasm
Jackass
This is the only scene that bothered me. What is pulling him away? Otherwise great movie.
Matt and Ryan's "Let go" hurt more than Jack and Rose's "I'll never let go" 🤣
From SUPERMEGA?
For those discussing if Matt's death was necessary, just look closely at 1:17. The astronauts are not stationary and their momentum is still pulling them slightly up and away from the station. You can even see the parachute being pulled down across the hull, as well as the Earth slowly rotating out of the frame. They still had plenty of movement to drift away. With a direct line of sight towards the station and parachute (and probably noticing in which direction they were heading) Kowalski responded by removing his mass from the equation. His kinetic energy forces him to drift further away while Ryan gets pulled back by the tension on the parachute line. This may have been enough to counteract Ryan's own momentum causing her to drift back to safety.
If I could insert audio into a comment, I would without a doubt insert thunderous applause.
***** Clooney's smugness gives alot of pull to his character, giving him the momentum to carry him thru the scene.
Bollocks breathless performance adds staying power.
TIMEtoRIDE900 i like to think it was the writers physically pulling him away from the station :D (because the logic makes no sense)
GCVos Momentum = mass x velocity. Nothing should be "still pulling them slightly up and away" from the station once they've stopped at it. Ryan had already come to a stop, and at 0:44 Kowalski is pulled to a dead stop as well. No velocity, no momentum. Kowalski simply gets sucked away by a mysterious force that only acts on him and not Ryan. It's a great movie but this scene still makes no sense.
OrchardFilm
Agreed - - even the tether between K & R would only be pulled "taut" for a second, then they would come together.
i like how by the time he’s detaching the rope, neither of them are getting pulled away and he still sacrifices himself anyway lmaooo
He would float there, just without the rope 😅
How the hell did he get pulled by nothing?
Both were still in motion before Kowalski did let go. It may look like he is pulled by something but it's just a continuation of his movement.
You know satellites move around the earth with huge speed and that why he wasn't keeping up with that speed and because of amazing physics it looked like he was pulled by something.
There was clearly a death star behind them pulling them in with its tractor beam
Magic all up in this bitch
MrDarkentro
Also, obviously, they were affected by the centripetal force acting on Ryan.
Never seen the movie. This is just a bad science scene, it ignores science in favor of drama, if you wanted a space death scene there are plenty that don't defy the laws of physics.
what law of physics was defied here? Their momentum was never fully cancelled out (we clearly see them still moving away). His mass was greater than hers, so any attempt to pull from either of them would have pulled her toward him, not the other way around. The straps were neither taught nor tight (we clearly see them unwrapping)
the problem was execution, stretching the events out for too long for the sake of audience comprehension, nothing more
0:48 - at this point the rope is straight and line of force exerted is still. since this is fucking space there would no longer be a force pulling on clooney such as gravity and all bullock would have had to do was to pull the rope in her direction and he would have come floating slowly back. Nonsensical shit like this in what is supposed to be a "uber-realistic space film" is why this movie is shit.
Graeme Dickson It's so simply fixed as well, just have her hanging on the station and the rope, her grip starts to slip on the station, and the entire thing is spinning from previous impacts of the debris generating centrifugal force which is pulling Kawalski away. also why is the station still in one piece, my previous statement fixes that as well.
1:43 Matt Kowalski was not the imposter
The most saddest part is that she can hear his voice while he was floating away.....R.I.P
Despite what I have said below, I still loved, love, and will love this movie. It has some flaws, but so does every movie, I I still think anyone could enjoy watching it:)
Its flaws are unforgivable tho
Hey just wondering if anyone is angry about the physics in this scene.
I get that he had to die for plot reasons but surely they could have come up with another way to do it. Hell, even if it had to be him sacrificing himself to save her I’m sure there are ways to do it that don’t involve suddenly forgetting your film is set in zero-g
I agree, maybe he could have just been unable to grab onto something In time and begins drifting or pushed Sandra to safety to sacrifice himself for her. The physics demonstrated here don’t make too much sense, especially considering it’s supposed to obey the laws of Zero-G
WHAT THE POO WAS PULLING HIM
And the Sandra lady could have just Tugged the rop and their safe
Im suprised this THING won an award!!!!!
Cool
The gravity was pulling him
It won 7.
KateLuckyCharms1234 where’s the gravity? is there a black hole besides him?
I liked the movie till he died, it all just did not make any sense.. WTF why the fuck have him go death? And how.. omg.. I could not watch it any further. Stupid movie
I love this movie but that scene wouldn’t happen. There couldn’t be any force that’s pulling him away.
the force pulling him away was his own momentum. At no point was their movement fully halted. The force of the loosely wrapped straps was less than that of their combined mass.
You notice in the wide shot, they were still already moving away, the straps were not taught. All the while, they were unwrapping from her.
The only real problem was how strongly their bodies appeared to jerk, and that the sequence of events was stretched out for so long (for the sake of audience comprehension). The whole exchange should have only taken 5-10 seconds
This scene is BS he could pull himself until he reaches her and the rope
If he pulled, he (with his larger mass compared to Stone) would have pulled her away, rather than pulling himself forward. Further, the straps were not fully taught, while at no point during this entire scene had their momentum stopped. The problem is that it goes on way too long, as the entire exchange should have taken 5-10 seconds. It was extended for the sake of audience comprehension. Kinda like how in anime fight scenes, they pause the action every few moments to explain what is happening.
When she caught on to his rope, she effectively decelerated him. He should have been as fast as she was at that moment. All she had to do was a slight nudge her way.
There's also the fact that astronaut suits come equiped with thrusters.
except they were both moving away from the ISS and clooney has much more inertial mass than bullock especially with the jetpack so a simple tug would not work. also, at 1:17, you can see them pulling the parachute with them.
@@hmnanda the fuck are you talking about? learn to physics.
"what the fuck are you talking about?" Exactly, you're fucking clueless. Apparently, you dont even know basic physics
They were never fully decelerated. You can clearly see in the wide shot that they are still both moving away, so they were still carrying momentum.
Further, no astronaut spacesuit has EVER come equipped with any kind of thruster what-so-ever. Currently they use a device called SAFER, which is a small thruster unit that attaches to the bottom of the PLSS backpack. But as we clearly see, she does not have one of these. And Kowalski was already wearing the larger MMU, so SAFER was redundant.
Though, what he could have potentially done was detach the MMU. That could have possibly reduced enough mass to allow the loose straps to cancel out their momentum. But we'll never know.
@@hmnanda a parachute does literally nothing in space.
That's not how physics work... Everything about this movis was just horrible.
"According to the film's science adviser Kevin Grazier and NASA engineer Robert Frost, however, the pair are still decelerating with Stone's leg caught in the parachute cords from the Soyuz. The cords STRETCH as they absorb her kinetic energy. Kowalski thinks that the cords are not strong enough to absorb his kinetic energy as well as hers, and that he must release the tether to give Stone a chance of stopping before the cords fail and doom both of them."
Rallykat88 except they do indeed stop moving and are now in velocity of the station.
They were not
In that case they shouldn't have "snapped" suddenly at 0:44 if the cord is elastic, but keep drifting smoothly and gradually slow down as the cord gets longer and longer. The "snap" indicates a rapid deceleration, which shows that the cord doesn't stretch as much initially, but suddenly changed its property at the next scene.
What a total fucking load of bullshit. Fuck those guys for even offering that disingenuous fucking lie to rationalize a totally nonsensical scene.
You don't need to be an astronaut to fix this scene, high school physics will suffice. I mean, it's not exactly rocket surgery. They both hard stop at 00:45. They rapidly decelerate and bounce back in the direction of ISS. That should be it, they both acquire new vectors and should now be floating slowly towards the station. Instead, they continue to float away for some magical reason. Worse yet, Kowalski fucking blasts away like a rocket when he disconnects, as if he's being pulled by something.
This all could have been so frustratingly easily rectified if the station was rotating, or if just they were spinning around some beam, in both cases they would have been under centrifugal force, and Kowalski WOULD have been pulling them away, given that he has a heavier spacesuit. This would fix the scene, make it more believable and add more tension (ha-ha).
There are cunts on the internet saying that's exactly what is happening, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate such rotation in this scene. It's worse - the filmmakers go to great efforts to maintain scientific veracity in most all other scenes, but then fuck the viewer right in the nostril with this shit. Rude.
It's not about physics it's about storytelling...remember that.
one of the saddest and most harrowing scenes in the movies
yeah except it literally is impossible for this to happen ever ever ever not even there is a scenario with two astronauts doing these exact same stuff.
the slightest little tug on him would have made him come over i stg this whole scene was so stupid
I'm sorry. I'm no scientist, but I think I'm right that if you stop someone's forward momentum, then they STOP MOVING FOREWORD! There is no reason for him to have floated way. (Hell, there was n reason for the strap on her foot to have let her loose, once they both stopped moving). He was a moron and she was an idiot.
Why, exactly did ppl like this movie? I would have been out the theater at this point, as I am so tired of Hollywood insulting my intelligence just for dramatic purposes..
+chopsticks7life That's not applicable here. The physics of this scene (and movie) made no sense.
then she would affected to but she wasn't your wrong.
Justin Kwong www.apa.org/topics/anger/help.aspx
You are correct, the physics of this scene are incorrect
Test Account Please Ignore LOL
Can people just enjoy a movie and not nit pick physics
I have goose bumps when I hear the score of this movie. A really good choice for the Oscar.
The most annoying scene of any movie ever. What is this magic force pulling him away? One flick of her wrist and he should float right back.
I'am the only one that this seems fake? what the hell was pulling george clooney after the first tight rope.
the parachute rope is twisted losely around the ISS and gives plenty of room for stretching
so the obeservation that it is tight isn't accurate
Libertinus79 I guess if you ignore them coming to a stop.
Darkside Hero
did you even watch the scene? They are clearly moving from left to right at 1:17
Libertinus79 but there's nothing that pulls him away from her. The force that's pulling him away is just not there.
chsxtian
You are right. There is no force pulling him away.
But why do you need something that pulls you to keep your movement?
Think the other way around. In space - once you're set in motion - you need a force strong enough to stop you. If that doesn't happen you just keep moving.
i saw this with my girlfriend in theaters. we're both engineering students and at the time, we were actually taking our calculus based physics courses together. i was so mad I literally blurted out "what the heck?" (out loud in the middle of the theater) at the end of this scene, followed by a quick whispered conversation with my girlfriend where we both agreed that it was definitely incorrect. we decided to stick it out though and see how the rest of the movie went, and overall, it was a really great movie, and we didnt regret it. but we were both furious with this scene. seriously, you'd think when killing off a main character in a movie that is pretty much all about physics, they would make sure such an important scene actually had proper physics. instead they actually used a blatant physics error as the very plot device that kills him off!
My guess is that the scientist councilors gave a plausible scene: a simple one would have then both attached on a string with a rotational moment away from the station, as by releasing the hold at the right time one of them would be going toward the station but the other would be lost in space; but at some point the scene was "slightly modified" for whatever reason, and nobody told them in time that the scene had no physical ground any more...
This scene bothered me, too. The whole movie was about weightlessness and inertia in space and it really stuck to the rules except here, where it blatantly and egregiously violated those rules for a cheap self-sacrifice scene.
@@ThomasKundera Dang, that's actually a really smart analysis; I can totally picture that! That would check out in terms of physics, and changing it to what it is now completely ruins the physics.
When I watch the movie this scene ruins the whole experience for me. When the guy grabs the rope, there is a magical force that keeps pulling him.
Wonder what this scene would be like with let it go playing...
All the comments pointing out the "flaws" in Gravity and how Clooney's death was unnecessary, are missing the entire point of this film.
At it's core, the film is about a parent recovering from the death of a child. All of the "peril in space" stuff is incidental. It basically serves as a metaphor for the difficulties Sandra Bullock's character needs to overcome, in order to let go of her pain and to move forward with her own life. It depicts a struggle for survival, on more than one level.
Clooney tells her that she needs to learn to let go. This is the primary theme of the film. The director used poetic license for a lot of the "science", in order to tell this woman's story.
Gravity is a beautifully crafted and extremely well told story.
I'm here trying so hard to watch this scene in peace without my mind constantly bringing up Among Us. 😣😂
How to not die? Be
the cameraman
I like how she ran out of air and while she is struggling to get into the station and starting to pass out, and Kowalski is keeping her distracted by talking about the view of the Ganges.
Same thing at the beginning, she was working on the satellite and he's chatting away. I would have thought that working on a satellite, while in orbit would require all of one's concentration, but I guess not.
This clip is what happens when you don't pay attention in high school Physics class.
There was no centripetal forces here, since after he let go she flung back with no decrease in velocity. Implies there was no outward force to begin with.
So after buddy stopped, that's it. She shou!d have just pulled him back in. Actually the rebounding of the cable tension should have pulled them both back in slowly. Just like it did when buddy let go and she went back.
The whole scene makes no sense. It's Iike someone got hit in the head a bit too hard before this scene was made.
The pair are still decelerating with Ryan Stone's leg caught in the parachute cords from the Soyuz. The cords stretch as they absorb her kinetic energy. that's the "falling" effect we can see. Kowalski thinks that the cords are not strong enough to absorb his kinetic energy as well as hers, or will recoil them back into space, or will break free of the ISS, and so he thinks he must release the tether to give Stone a chance of stopping before the cords fail and doom both of them,this is what the director wanted to potray, but he made a flaw around 2:14 showing both of their momentum getting arrested too rapidly and the subsequent acceleration of Kowalski after breaking free being too fast compared to the previous scene. I wish they would have the stretch appearing a little more rapidly, as it would have made this scene much more realistic, and much more scary
Nate R: Yes, this is the correct clarification. And one more note - Kowalski did not accelerate after his release - he continued with the low velocity he and Ryan both had, but after that, Ryan alone was accelerated opposite direction by elasticity of parachutes and rope on her leg. So Kowalsky did not move from her but Ryan from him.
What should have happened was about 5 seconds to show that she grabs his tether, the two of them continue moving and we see the straps coming loose. After that short moment, Kowalski detaches and lets go. In that moment while she screams "Why did you do that!?" he explains to her how and why it wouldn't have worked.
But you'd still have people complaining, so... why even bother? LOL
Wooow such a windy day in space 🍃
Such magic scenes make movies better to watch again and again. Watched this movie 2nd time only to see this part again. That bgm👌🏻👌🏻
This is probably one of the stupidest scenes in cinema I have ever seen
Okay I see people arguing here, but I’ll say what I can take away from some points I see people stating. This scene is a mistake in physics. Let me explain why and refute some claims that people are making:
-there is no such thing as centrifugal force. That is a “force” which refers to your inertia (meaning resistance to motion). Essentially, when your velocity become too great, you overcome the centripetal acceleration provided by whatever force creates said acceleration (gravity, static friction, tension are usually easy examples of such forces) and you go off in a tangential line to your velocity vector.
-this has nothing to do with momentum, and Matt’s momentum alone is actually not conserved. The rope is providing him with an external force. The law of conservation of momentum states that in a system, momentum is conserved UNLESS an external force is applied. The momentum of the ISS, Dr. Stone, debris, and Matt system is conserved as the ISS and Stone are decelerating while Matt is accelerating. It is 100% possible to accelerate Matt back to a relative tangential speed of 0m/s.
-the ISS is still in orbit. Dr. Stone is pulling Matt’s velocity vector to match that of the ISS and her’s. He is now in orbit.
-the gravity of the earth is providing Matt with the centripetal force, which is the force keeping him in orbit. It “pulls” him towards the earth, but in a manner that creates circular motion.
-there are exactly two forces that are definitely acting on Matt. The first is the tension from the rope. Second is the gravity of the earth. The rope accelerated Matt to the speed of the ISS. The gravity, again, is keeping Matt in orbit. For Matt to continue to be pulled, there has to be another force on Matt that is against the tension provided but there isn’t. And before anyone comes in with Newton’s third law, the third law states that the force the rope is doing on Matt and Matt is doing on the rope are equal, which is true. However, the net force on Matt is from the rope.
The physics in this scene are flawed. But that is okay, it is just a movie and this is obviously to create dramatic effect. I still enjoyed watching this movie.
I'm just dumbfounded that nobody involved in this movie even caught this mistake and correct it. There is no gravity in space, no external force pulling these astronauts and the whole scene made no sense at all.
she should have pull the rope only with her hand to pull Matt and Matt would grab her while moving towards the station and they would both be saved
Agent Harris exactly, but unfortunately the power of "movie script" is dragging him away :D
***** very annoying. These scenes are against logic
Doesn't work that way.
Their momentum was not fully arrested, they were still moving away. The strap around her leg was neither taught nor tight
Meanwhile, Matt had much greater mass than Ryan, so any attempt from either of them to pull would have pulled her toward him, not the other way around. Even if their movement was completely stopped, this would have still happened, as the object with greater mass exerts stronger force over the object with lesser mass.
The problem was the scene was executed poorly, focusing on stretching things out to get that "don't let go" moment and milk it for too long.
"Ryan, ryan, please.. you have to let me go OK?... I know that unless the station is spinning, you should be able to just pull me back and I shouldn't be floating away, and that I should have absolutely no momentum right now, and that your leg is now pretty firmly secured by the ropes, so there's no really no reason for me to disconnect, and that I could technically pull myself towards you and grab that rope so we can both make it back, but, this movie is about you, not me, so I have to die now.. bbbbyyyyyyeeee...".
All he had to do was detach himself from that heavy ass thing that helped him move around (I think it's called an MMU) and they would've both been fine
if you had to go before youre due... pretty cool way to go.. just drift, look at the planet, look at the stars... when youre ready... pop the helmet and freeze instantly.
+MrAnderson1985
I get this was an old post, but if he popped his helmet, it would take him around 3/4 of an hour to freeze solid. He would have suffocated long before then.
On the bright side, he would have passed out in mere seconds, most certainly less than 10 seconds, so as far as he knows, he is already dead by then.
Honestly, still not a bad way to go.
What a simp, he could just have dragged himself up.
he's alive. he was rescued by Darth vader ship later on.
It was probably Vader how pulled him towards his ship in the first place.
Maybe Vader needed a friend..
most unrealistic scene in the movie
xKuukkelix Fast & Furious
cartoons for grown ups . i amazed how people have become so brainwashed to think this is even possible . hollywood casting spells. they call casting for a reason .
What a scene. What a movie.
This seen is so weird. The cord between the two seems to be slack as if the director knew the laws of physics yet everything else defies it. It would be funny if he let go and just floated there
I told my friend Matt would die early, he thought I was crazy. Then this happened, he was in awe
this scene is absolutely bs... as soon as they both stopped, it's over they're safe. they can go back to space station with a very slight pull. there's no force pushing them away :D I like the debris scene of this movie but this part is bullshit
At 1:16 you can see that they are still drifting away from the ship. If they were stationary, then yes the scene would not make sense. If they were stationary, then Kowalski could let go of the rope and just float in place. There would be no force pulling him away. However, if they are still drifting and the rope was not taut yet, then the rope would need to exert a bigger force if they were both attached (maybe too big and it would break) compared to if it was just Stone. So the fact that they are still drifting (which isn't obvious) makes the situation possible.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Phil Plait, and a real astronaut don't see how it makes any sense. movies.stackexchange.com/questions/15098/what-causes-the-tension-in-the-strap-between-dr-ryan-and-matt
The thing is that if they were still drifting away
1 - rope shouldnt have rolled up on her leg
2 - he shuouldnt go backwords, just stay where he was
The problem is execution. They shouldn't have showed them jerking so hard when she grabbed his tether. And the whole exchange should have taken 5-10 seconds. The physics is just fine, its just how it is expressed on screen that is the issue
An object remains in motion unless a force acts upon it .
Newton's 2nd law
Essa cena c essa trilha sonora é de arrepiar a alma
Matt literally has an emergency jetpack
Crappy scene. Just makes no sense.
You have to admit that it makes for a good movie though.
they are weightless why are they using there muscles so strong if they do that they will fling each other very fast your not gonna be tired you used 0% of your strength
Setting aside all of the pseudo-scientist bantering below, let me ask this: Who has marveled at both the beauty and the horror Kowalski would have experienced as he drifted off into space? The vastness and silence would probably lull him into a state of serenity and calm, intermittently shattered by a nauseating panic as his air supply dwindles. This cycle would probably repeat itself a dozen times as he savored the view of the galaxy from perspectives no other person ever had seen. Basking in the beauty of it all, yet knowing his doom followed close behind..
Too much CGI means tight budget. I bet Kowalski's character was too expensive so they got rid of him early in the story.
Do they even physics??
No one can escape gravity
Well...
Everyone is going on about centrifugal forces - which would have made this scene work - but it's portrayed extremely poorly in the movie. But if the station was spinning, it is portrayed extremely poorly in the movie. Not only does the station not appear to be doing that along the axis that Matt got flung off onto in any of the scenes, none of the other loose objects connected to the station have any forces applied to them. And she also would not have been bungeyed back to the station if it was rotating when she let go at 1:50 on a loose line.
Basically for all extensive purposes, from what the viewers can see, the film is definitely NOT following the laws of physics and this scene alone broke the immersion for the entire film.
There was enough room on that door for both of them.
Maybe, I can't forget this movie forever. It means, i really love this movie
I stopped watching when Clooney died
Accurate or not, this is still a very emotional scene in my opinion.
Only for the incredibly stupid....
Kowalski, analysis
(I just viewed this video just to make that stupid and unfunny joke)
For those "smarties" who didn't enjoy this scene because of the physics, try accepting the following concept: Two connected people are moving away from the station due to their inertia and momentum. She has a parachute rope around her leg that gradually slows them both down due to its elasticity. But there is a danger that in order for both to completely stop moving away, their combined weight will require too much tension on the parachute rope, which will then no longer hold on either the station or the leg. After Clooney is free, he continues on at a now constant speed, but the lighter Sandra begins to accelerate towards the station due to the elasticity of the taut ropes. So from her perspective, Clooney is moving away from her. All of this is visible in the scene. Why dont you want to see it?
@@iamchrispaezjr Sorry, bad english. Not weight but mass? The force (energy) needed to stop a moving object is the same in space as on earth.
I dont know man, I'm gonna have to trust Neil deGrasse Tyson than on this one
That's just an assumption. The rope may not be elastic, but just untangling somewhere at the satellite. Why would they use elastic ropes like that in space?
If filmmakers wanted to the ropes to be elastic, they would have mentioned it, to make sure viewers see it and understand it, instead of making it barely visible and let us guess and assume. No. They screwed up, either by not understanding how this works, or by assuming that we won't notice it.
@@gracefuldice1956 :-) The parachute is not intended for use in space, but for landing on Earth. And yes, real parachute ropes ARE flexible. In the movie, this "assumption" can be seen in the fact that Sandra is ejected towards the ship after Clooney is released.
@@miroslavpavlicek6871 I'm not convinced because elastic ropes wouldn't be pushed to their limits in the space. It's not like their bodies are pulled down by gravity. Why would the ropes be stretched so slowly for so long? The astronauts would very quickly get the speed to keep up with the satellite and yet they act like they are heavy tanks in space. Think of it this way. It's hard pulling a big heavy tree on the ground, but much easier if it's floating in the water.