Ask Adam Savage: Remembering the U2 and Blue Angels Flights from MythBusters
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2021
- Tested member Cindy Klenk asked Adam, "What lingers in your mind about your U-2 flight ? And in your ride with the Blue Angels in the F/A-18 Super Hornet, how close did you come to blacking out in the positive G maneuvers?" Thank you, Cindy for your support and question! Join this channel to support Tested and get access to perks, like asking Adam a question:
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Hornet pilots do wear G-suits, its just the Blue Angels that don't wear them. The reasons are correct though.
The wing air stabilizer thing is called a strake. Great video, thoroughly enjoyed!
Hey adam, your jesuit free mason producer forgot the fish eye lense facing you. That plane is fffffflat as a pancake buddy ! Lucky guy, he got to be right under the firmament. Not to many people get thar close to the creator.
Sir, I have done amazing things on the ground, on the ocean and in the air but to have done what you have been fortunate enough to have done over the years is truly a blessing and I'm also blessed just to be able to share in it through your eyes.
I still take my hat off for Jamie to grant Adam the honor of flying in the U2.
He said it was cause he really didn’t wanna do it he must be crazy Adam offered it to him since he got to do blue angels
@@icu_corey_rn_903 I know Jamie has an extreme fear of heights from watching Mythbusters the whole way. That is probably why he gave it to Adam.
@@Gamedraco And Adam suffers from motion sickness.
Dam I never even knew that happened
@@stevenplaskett7728 Jamie briefly discussed it in the episode he said something to the extent of he had no desire to do it and Adam really really wanted too but left the choice up to Jamie since Adam got the blue angels flight he felt it was only fair to let Jamie have the ride along but he declined
He doesnt make you pissed off that hes done these things, he makes you feel like you are part of the story, amazing
yeah, for just one split second I'm jealous.... but then I think, had I done this, I'd only share the story with 40-50 people. And not nearly as engaging of a story as Adam... But his experience coupled with his story telling and social following is just so much more inspirational than what little sharing I could do. It's great that folks such as Adam are granted these types of things so he can share it with the world.
We fly with him though the memories.
He is such a great story teller!
FYI nobody should feel "pissed off" for someone doing other fun things. It's an extremely wrong reaction and anyone feeling like that should get it checked out.
@@Galf506 they meant he doesn't come off like he is bragging and rubbing it in your face (thus pissing you off) like most ppl do when they have such an "accomplished" life
What I remember most from the U2 episode is Jamie sacrificing a once in a lifetime chance, something that he could never ever hope for again, so Adam could brush the edge of the heavens. It was incredibly noble of him.
What an incredible experience. Your storytelling is impeccable and I love the scientific details you share.
Please dont post details about our date here.
Can you imagine drinking a beer with Adam listening to all his stories
It would probably take a whole brewery just for the Mythbuster stories.
Don't.. Don't play with my feelings like that
i dont take adam for a beer guy, he seems more like a whiskey man
Now, THAT would be amazing!! 🍺🍺 Hell, I’d even pick up the tab!!🤣🤣
I am having so much fun walking down MythBusters memory lane with Adam.
Adam, you said during your U2 flight "What an unbelievably beautiful day." That has always stuck with me and I love to say that to myself now and then to appreciate even the little things in life that make me smile. Thank you, Adam for sharing your beautiful days with us.
Adam, the nomenclature you are looking for the "yellow rectangle" on the F-18 is a vortex generator. These are used to disturb the airflow a tiny amount in front of control surfaces to reduce flow separation.
It actually shifts the vortex of airflow that comes off the leading edge extension by a couple inches so it doesn’t burst directly in front of the tail which was causing a lot of stress issues in the first versions. This is also why it looks bolted on after and why the Super Hornet doesn’t have the same thing because they were able to fix it in the next version.
It’s called the LEX fence and it guides the airflow between the vertical stabilizers to reduce them oscillating and causing stress that will cause it to fracture. That’s why there is also brackets on them to further reinforce them. It doesn’t do anything to the airflow across the control surfaces or anything to do with flow separation.
Clearly you're all mistaken and Adam is correct that it's a "linearizer". 😉
And the OSCAR for best RUclips-storytelling goes to ... Adam Savage! You are so lively and likeable. It's a real pleasure listening to you. And the plot of the story was nice, too;-)
The astonishing thing about the U2 to me is how they routinely fly in the tiniest margin of "coffin corner". At altitude, the difference between going too slow and stalling, and going to fast and overloading the plane could be as little as 5 knots.
My fluid mechanics professor described it as "Most aircraft have a flight envelope. The U2 has a postage stamp."
I remember hearing about U2 Pilots banking the plane too much at altitude and the result was one wing stalling and the other mach buffeting due to that coffin corner.
Adam, I once heard a Pilot say that trying to land on a Carrier at night is like trying to lick a Stamp in the middle of a room with the lights off lol.
And the stamp is swinging from a lamp cord.
@@rhekman lol Right!!!
Supposedly during the Vietnam War the Navy conducted studies that found out that night landings were more stressful than combat over Hanoi.
I’ve heard it described thusly, “A daytime landing is like sex, it’s either good or it’s great. A night trap is like going to the dentist, you might be able to get through it without a lot of pain, but you’re never going to be comfortable doing it”
One thing I don't get is that the pilots take off with their hands off the controls, letting the plane's computer do the flying for a few seconds. Why can't this same computer control of the plane be coupled to the carrier's "motion detection" so that the carrier could quickly uploaded to the plane to let the plane land itself, hands free.
I’ve been a blue angels fan my whole life. My mom used to take me every year to the Moffet Field air show to see them. Thank you for sharing your stories!! Love this channel, keep up the awesome work!!
Yeah, first time of many I saw the Blue Angels they were flying the Grumann F11-1 Tiger at Point Magu N.A.S. ..., around 1960..... Yeah, I'm OLD.
For many years I lived in Sunnyvale, CA just a few miles from Moffett Field, both when it was a Naval Aviation Station and later when it was decommissioned and NASA took over much of the facility. I would regularly see the Blue Angels practising overhead. NASA also operated a U2 out of Moffitt. Those suckers are the noisiest aircraft I have ever heard.
I'm envious of your rides with those guys.. I spent 25 years in the Air Force active duty and I can tell you the people who WORK on those birds ARE the elite of the elite.. the absolute best of the best... only a very select FEW get the opportunity to work on those birds... to be a U2 or Blue Angel mechanic is the ULTIMATE!!!!!!
I used to work on the U-2 Dragonlady from 2010-2012 it was an incredible aircraft and I absolutely loved the episode of Mythbusters of when you took your ride! Thank you for talking about your experience!
I remember seeing the Blue Angels everyday when I was stationed in Pensacola. Even saw one crash, unfortunately.
I had the privilege of working for the Physiological Support Division responsible for servicing the flight suits, their equipment, as well as testing and loading the pilots into the aircraft. The scenes showing the chamber flights, boiling water, and rapid decompressions are all tasks that I did as well, both inside the chamber and out. I was even fortunate enough to be able to go through a "high-flight" in the chamber as well.
Adam is so right in saying that the level of training and support that he got while at Beale would have been second to none. Everyone I ever worked with took a great amount of pride in the noble task... realizing that another man's live is literally in your hands when doing your job.
Fantastic episode.
Adam just now starting to process the fact that he's actually been to the edge of space is delightful.
I'm a few days late here, but I remember the U2 episode, and it's one of my favorites. I really loved seeing Adam's reaction when he was told he could go up, and how much that meant to him, how Jaime basically said that this meant more to Adam than to him, and told Adam to go. I know that that was probably the closest thing to being an astronaut that he'll ever get to be (unless he gets a call from Elon, lol)!
Anyway, that U2 episode was great, and this Tested episode is great!
I had a neighbor about 10 years back, nicest man ever. He was a fairly old man, was a blue angel show pilot for a few years. He also was a classified government program test pilot. He flew planes we still don't even know existed/do exist from what he could say. He had gone down more than once over the pacific on failed test flights, one he was missing for 3 days. He was an amazing man to know. Sad to say, I know he has since passed on as his Alzheimer's had progressed fairly quickly in the time I knew him and he was not well 10 years ago. Respect to that man, and the many like him that we will never hear of.
The rectangular piece you’re talking about is called the LEX fence. It guides airflow between the vertical stabilizers to stop them from oscillating back and forth and causing stress fractures. The stabs are further reinforced with external brackets as well.
Happy Adam proudly: “And I did... I did both. I did both!”
Haha I love it :D
Such a great story, loved every bit. When I was little my dad took my family out to sea with a rubber boat near the coast of Italy just to sightsee a bit, and we went far enough to be completely alone on the calm sea... until Frecce Tricolori came along with multiple wings. They did their stunts above us. I hardly recall it, but the awe and excitement. It was magical. Only years later I understood they used us as a sea level reference point so they could practice (we knew they'd be around to give a show near the beach) and I am absolutely sure they must've seen us smiling from ear to ear, knowing they gave a show just for us. I love those pilots ever since.
Thank you Adam, very interesting video. Can I recommend you look into the life of test pilot Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown, if you haven't already. He flew 487 different aircraft (not including different marks of the same aircraft). He holds loads of records, including most carrier landings (2000+) and take offs, first jet carrier landing. He had a hell of a life. There is a fantastic BBC doc on here called Britain's Greatest Pilot. You won't be disappointed.
'Winkle' Brown: If he didn't fly it it probably wasn't worth flying :p
The U2 flight was one of the most moving moments of television ever. You took us with you but also let us celebrate your pure joy. Thank you
Adams a national treasure
I strongly disagree. He's an international treasure. :)
I did help take aircraft down to the bare plates, no more rivets left. You know a thing has not been apart in decades when you want to undo it, and it falls apart, because you are trying to undo fasteners that have been together long enough that they corroded into one. That airframe was eventually a set of broomsticks holding a wiring loom, and a pair of jacks, as the rest of it was either away getting sandblasted and painted, or was sitting on the shelf next to the spot, waiting to come back together. I did find some minor cracks, and had them repaired, and a new coat of paint put on, plus installed new mountings, as the old ones were barely functional.
Remember that the overhaul cost often is going to be more than the original new purchase price, which is why you often find commercial airliners being scrapped as this becomes due, simply because of the cost, plus that it can often take a year or more to complete properly. Only the military, and those with special purpose aircraft, that are otherwise irreplaceable, can afford to bear this cost. Same for engines, the smaller ones it is cheaper to replace than do the major overhaul, as the cost is almost the same for a small turbine compared to a large turbofan, due to the cost of all the labour and non destructive testing needed, plus the certification.
I remember James Mays film on the U2 it was amazing, I will have to try and find this episode of myth busters
James and Adam need to do Top Myth Lab!
It was one of the last Mythbusters episodes in Episode 230 - "Flights of Fantasy". They were trying to prove if the U2 was the toughest plane to fly in the world.
@@B-A-L It would have been amazing if Top Gear with the awesome threesome of Jeremy, Hammond, and May did a joint episode with Mythsbusters with Adam, Jamie, Kari, Tory, and Grant back in the day.
Wow. Your Blue Angels story was so intense, in a great way. I had no idea they didn't have G suits. You should bullet point what you said in this video because it is beyond comprehension what amazing things you did. Here's one, "being able to go to the edge of space and seeing the blackness of space."
When we are done existing and having our last moments, all we really have are our memories. You sir will have a treasure trove. You have lived a life well & have my admiration & envy.
It's amazing how much precision is required to land on a carrier, and the mechanics behind it all is very interesting. Just to expand a bit on what Adam said, you have a half dozen or so specially-trained pilots serving as Landing Signal Officers - LSOs. If you've seen Top Gun, the people wearing white vests - float coats - and no helmets are the LSOs. They can often spot - and hear, hence no helmets - problems with an approach before the pilot flying the airplane realizes there's an issue. One LSO radios instructions for hopefully minor corrections if needed. There are also the two optical landing systems on the ship - too complex to describe here - and an instrument inside the airplane, all used together to get the airplane on the deck in about the space a tennis court takes up. Once all the aircraft of any particular cycle are back on deck the LSOs go to each squadron ready room and they debrief the pilot with details of the approach, things like being slightly too high or low, a little left or right of the center line, even things like whether the glide slops (angle of descent) was smooth or jagged. Once the debrief is done the LSOs assign a grade and those grades are posted for all to see on a "greenie board" in the ready room. Some say being a carrier pilot is like being an athlete - there's friendly competition and a sense of pride for a good streak... and a series of problems brings a serious review of the pilot's need for refresher training. And believe it or not, with all the precision required and all the ways for things to go wrong, it's extremely rare for there to be a major problem. The worst I've even seen was one side of the landing gear breaking off of an A-7 Corsair from a hard landing, and that may not have been the pilot's fault.
I watched the Mythbusters' Blue Angels episode. And still, the more I listened to this, the more fascinated and excited I became. Adam, I could have kept you talking for hours. Thanks for making me feel as though I was part of the experience!
There's a special kind of fascination and joy one experiences when talking to someone who truly enjoys what they do. I get to experience it when the North Bennet Street School in Boston hold an open house. I expect Adam has experienced it a lot, like with his U2 visit. But Adam is also a source of such experiences.
7.5 g. That's gotta HURT! I did 3 and that gets your attention, it's not pleasant. Saw Blue Angels in Denver. Very funny, they taxi out to do their show. Single file, down the taxi way and suddenly stop.....
Nothing happens for minutes. A little utility buggy with two guys go out to lead plane. Canopy comes up, they talk. guys get out a jack and replacement tire. Here is a F18 Blue Angel getting a tire change. Crowd goes wild pilot holds up his hands like whoops! pilots pointing at lead plane pointing crowd then point at lead like "see what he puts us through" great stuff.
U2 you lucky lucky son of a gun!
How did you like the chase vevhicles for the U2? G.I. race cars.
U could have a whole show just telling these stories and I'd watch every minute. Well done, sir.
I have a special treat for you... This is the show and we're watching. 😎
@@AnttiBrax lmfao
I am so glad that Jamie needed, "Someone hammy..." and thought of you!
I am doubly glad for you to have had these incredible experiences and that you enthusiastically share them with us.
I especially enjoy the 'background' insights like landing on a carrier at the bottom of the swell and "the most precise machine."
I recall a documentary on the UK Red Arrows, and a Blue Angles pilot saying it is the only time he watched an air team in awe; and having seem some of the stuff the Blue Angels does, that was the highest praise a team could pay another. The irony was, the Red Arrows pilot said, after being told, "Ye', those boys are nearly as good as us." But he was also super impressed with them.
Skills. You either have the or you don't, and the people Adam flew with: they had them in spades.
Adam, Your admiration and respect for these experiences is remarkable! What a great choice was made by those who make all the things go! Bravo to you both. Well done, well done...
Watching your reaction while riding in the U2 is still one of my favorite Mythbusters moments of all time.
So cool. I just watched the U2 episode for the first time a couple of days ago. I had cut the cord and have never seen the last two seasons. I just love to see and hear Adam's enthusiasm and joy at his opportunity to fly in one.
I watched Mythbusters all the way from start in 2003 to finish in 2016, and that U2 episode I find one of the finest.
As a pilot who is building his own airplane (RV-8), I love the Mythbuster airplane episodes above all else. Thanks so much for sharing your impressions of these watershed experiences. I got a chance to work at Beale AFB in the '80s when the SR-71 was still in operation. I was on a man-lift 25' up, drilling a hole in the concrete wall of a maintenance facility... looking down at the flight line and those magnificent SR-71 aircraft sitting in open hangars surrounded by guards with M-16s. I'll never forget that experience.
That part on the FA-18 is called a fence. Cheers. Thank you for posting videos. You keep me sane and in good spirits during difficult times. Enjoy your day.
Did you ever return the favor to Jamie for letting you take the U2 flight?
Ps: that moment brought tears to my eyes seeing how much it meant to you.
Good question.
In the late 70s and early 80s, my parents would often take me to the annual air show at Tinker AFB just outside of Oklahoma City. I was there for the year when the SR-71 first went on public display. I remember the armed guards stationed around it while it was on the ground. I remember walking under the wing and looking up, and feeling like I could almost reach out and touch it. My one regret from that show was that I didn’t get to stay there long enough to see the night take-off, which I’m told is one hell of a sight.
A few years later, when I was a government civilian work for the Defense Information Systems Agency in the basement of the Pentagon, specifically helping to support Desert Shield, I happened to be on rotation at the building on a weekend. During the week, I only ever wore dress shirts, but when I was there on the weekend, I was a bit more relaxed, and wore t-shirts.
Our printer in the Logistics Readiness Center was broken, so I had to borrow the printer on the Crisis Action Center floor. The CAC is the room that they supposedly simulated for the movie “War Games”, but at the time, the real thing wasn’t so glamorous. I asked the XO on duty if it was okay to come onto the floor to pick up my printout (I had the clearance to be there if the red phones were not in use, but it’s always better to ask), and he saw my t-shirt. Turns out that he had been the pilot of that particular bird on that particular day. And the only reason why we made a connection at all was because I was technically violating the dress code.
Sadly, I couldn’t spend the entire day talking to him, but it was wonderful to meet him and to thank him for his participation in that show. Of all the shows at Tinker, that one has always been my favorite, and it was a factor that helped lead me on the career path that I took.
For me, listening to Adam is like getting to talk to that pilot. Only I get to do it much more frequently, and Adam can talk about a much wider variety of things that he’s done.
Thank you adam. They we you told that story made me feel like i was a part of. Amazing experience.
This is such a delight watching Adam soooo Happy like this
Have watched the Blue Angels from the ground and a ton of their documentaries.. so insane. What is awesome about the flying is that a full roll on a F 18 is like 1/4" of stick input.. Today I was actually watching Destin's Thunderbirds ride along and one of the women solo pilots hits 9 G's multiple times a show.
I was a Canadian Forces avionics technician. I have worked on equipment used on the CF-18 Hornet. I did this for 7 years. I have 0 hrs on the CF-18. My son (@ 16yo) was in Air Cadets (similar to the United States Civil Air Patrol Cadets). He was top student on a summer music course and was awarded a 1 hour 20 min flight on CF-18.
That's so lucky to fly on u2, so nice Jaime let you fly instead of him.
The “rectangle on the wing” is called a leading edge extension fence. 100% correct that it breaks up the turbulent airflow.
As a kid, I was able to watch Mythbusters for my “30 minutes of science” homework.
Now I watch Tested and Mythbusters after a day of work as an electrician on F/A-18 Super hornets.
All I can hear now is "hick uh hick uh hick uh hick uh"
Gotta go find that clip now!
Thank you letting us live these experiences vicariously through you. 😎👍
Really enjoyed this, and Adam's enthusiasm!
Adams narration is that great I started to breath forcefully like I have to pump my blood up to my head.
Listening to Adam expressing the amazing experience of flying at the ragged edge of technology reminds me of interviews with Mike Collins (the guy who stayed in the Command Module while Neal and Buzz went down to the surface) during the flight of Apollo 11 - you didn't have to actually be the man who lands on the Moon to have had an extraordinary life experience.
I just watched a video of James May, from “Top Gear”, when he got a ride in a U2 (at Osan AB, ROK, they had TR1s. Same plane, different designation🤷♂️) and his emotional reaction would probably be the same as mine would be. What an experience. Definitely on my “Bucket List”!!😉😄😄
Quiz Question;
What studio has/had the space shuttle tucked in the corner of the main warehouse hidden with chain link and black plastic?
I was a inspector checking on the Bldgs. studio when I came across this beast.
....Blew My Mind When I Seen It Hiding In The Back!😲🤔👍👍👍👍
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It was fun to meet you at the U2 episode's meet and greet before you guys made that episode!
Adam Savage is just a man living his best life, and you can tell that from the passion with which he tells every story.
Watching you get to fly made me happy for you. I could feel your excitement through the screen.
Thank you for the wonderful explanation of your experiences with the exceptional plains and crew it is a delight that you so honestly share those experiences.
Man, imagine the Angry Video Game Nerd having to land on a carrier under those conditions. 😠 I especially enjoyed Adam's description of the videogame-like precision and seeming lack of momentum of the Hornet as piloted by a Blue Angel. Much of Adam's career has involved the precision control of various machines, so you feel the power of his amazement at that.
Several years ago I went to an airshow at Ohakea AFB, in NZ. The Aussies popped over with some of their FA18s to show us Kiwis what we were missing out on (we'd sold our old Skyhawks, without replacements!). The last display was flown by the Aussie chief flying instructor - he took off, gained a little altitude..... and then went completely batshit, overhead-ish, for what seemed like hours. No G-suit you say? He must have gone for a cup of tea and a lie down afterwards! What am I saying, he's an Aussie - he would've gone for a cold tinny with his mates.
The earlier displays had impressed me, but the one I'll NEVER forget was the last. Well done, that man!
I wish I could like a video more than once!!! I am living this experience vicariously through you. That sounds absolutely amazing. How about the U2 flight though?
you are such a great storyteller! As an aviation buff and private pilot this was very informative.
Your memory is fine, adam! The only thing I would say is that nowadays there's a thing called the Meatball, a small tower of lights, that youll use to guide yourself to the carrier in conjunction with the approach controller on the boat
"This is not a bad way to spend your day."
-Adam Savage
Wow! That's awesome! You have lived a very adventurous life!
"Little aerodynamic...thing" is called a 'strake'. Once you know to look for them, you'll see them on most planes. Once a plane's development gets as far as flight testing, it's vastly easier to fix any funky aerodynamics you might discover using a small, well-placed strake than it would be to overhaul the shape of the plane.
That's a beautiful visual story!
I loved seeing the giddiness of your reaction on Mythbusters going to edge of space. Seeing it again in this...
Mr. Savage.
Your enthusiasm never ceases to inspire my own.
Thank you.
I believe you owe the U2 flight to Jamie as much as to Beale, as you have said so then.
I remember meeting a guy who worked on the engines of the U2 at Beale afb. He told me he wasn't allowed to work on the camera equipment and that men in black suits would come to the base, remove the camera equipment, work on it in a locked room with no windows for a while, and then eventually emerge after a couple of hours to put the camera equipment back in.
Adam and SmarterEveryDay would be awesome friends 😂
I could honestly listen to Adam talk about those experiences all day! 👍
What a video Adam, thanks so much!
That "wing strake" (I think its called) is for Laminar Flow - the Mig-15 had similar, actually, for the same reason. (I think I've got a picture from the USAF Museum at Wright-Pat AFB in Dayton)
I respected the hell out of pilots that can land on a carrier, that they can move into the blue angels rotation was surprising but what blew me away completely is that they can go through those choreographies WITHOUT THE PRESSURE SUITS! That is positively insane!
Mr. Savage, thank you for all your videos, I hope it’s worthwhile, I read a book years ago, I think you might like it, pilot’s description of landing on carrier is very intense.
The title is Ironclaw, by Sherman Baldwin. Thanks for all your hard work! 🤩🤩🤩
A friend of mine was a Blue Angel years ago and he referred to lining up on the aircraft next to him as " Flying Paint"
The magic of enthusiasm. Mesmerizing. The best!
PS My uncle was a Navy aviator during the Korean War, before, and after. He said landing on a carrier is like landing on a pitching, yawing, rolling tombstone.
Thank you Adam for the remarkable share. You taught me things in NEVER would have known.
Adam, I feed off your excitement!!!!
Man, you really told that well, I felt that
Adam, you should try DCS. There's a pretty great F/A-18C simulation and carrier landings are fun! Btw yeah there's a guy with a camera meant to provide line up info for the pilot. You do see the carrier but you get help from the guy on the carrier telling you to get on the power, get off the power, line up, etc.
Amazing story Adam!
Adam is such a great story teller.
They call the bottom of the wave just before it climbs back up, is called the 'trough' .
I felt the joy in your smile
I use to work as the maintenance team for the machines that developed U2 film and everything the machines needed to be mobile. Was a fun job. We probably both met the same person. 6 degrees indeed
I never get tired of hearing Adam talk about his experiences.
Plus the pilot was in such shape he could continue doing it while flying, while watching you, while talking.
You can get the same exact feeling of freedom flying a FPV drone. Its every bit of awesome you think it is Adam
I live near Beale, the U2 episode will always be my favorite
Love the excitement
Not that I’m a pilot but your respect for what they do.. I’m positive no one would ever describe my job that way!
I’m reading Skunk Works right now, and hearing a civilians account of flying the U2 was great to listen to.
I miss new mythbusters episodes one of my favorite shows ever👍👍
They had a U-2 flyby, at the 2003 Dayton Air Show, I believe. The ceiling was low, not incredibly low that they couldn't do a flyby obviously. So he made his final pass full throttle he climbed and disappeared into the clouds. I remember it getting real quiet and then the Fire Trucks started rolling out to the runway. Some guy close by was monitoring it on a scanner. Come to find out that the F118, the powerplant on the U-2, had flamed out. Pilot calmly got it reignited and diverted to Wright-Patterson a few miles away.