This brother is one of my favorite interviews. He’s so knowledgeable and his memory is so on point. It’s like taking a time machine back in time. He remembers so many of the small details AND he also has a broader understanding of the dynamics of culture and social interactions at the time. He puts the beginnings of hip hop into a context that is so vivid.
I’m from Brooklyn’s Roosevelt projects and was out there when Grand Master D aka DJ Lance played and this man is speaking the truth. Brooklyn was about the hustle not break dancing.
It is interesting that NY took black disco breakbeats and turned that into hip hop and the Chicago took some of those parts of Black disco and made house music around the same time period. Both took the best part of the record and extend it just like DJ's did when they were mixing at the party and made records to rap or sing over. One sped up the tempo and the other slowed it down, but they did similar types of record manipulations to recorded music in the same time era. I love it.
I'm so glad I found this video. It reinforces all the other things I've been learning about America and racism. Basically the white society never respected any minority stealing and erasing our history.
Great video. And Disco was "white gay" music. It was just black R&B, Soul and Funk music with a "4 on the floor beat" defined by various musicians especially the "Philly Sound". White gays adopted it and they started bringing black folks into their clubs "for love" to play and promote the music (and interracial gay sex). But quiet as it is kept they have always been doing that going all the way back to the 40s and before that.
Super knowledgeable! So great! Only thing I'd respectfully disagree with is that early white rock and roll and rockabilly artists didn't cover the Rhythm and Blues songs to just make money...they really loved and respected those artist and their music. Elvis Presley's favorite group was the Golden Gate Gospel Quartet. I wouldn't doubt the record industry wanted to capitalize though and I know thats the point he's making here. Pat Boone is watered down garbage but Bill Haley, early Sun Records era Elvis (1954) that was real deal stuff. Buddy Holly covering the song Ting A Ling by the Clovers is not a cheap shot at capitalizing on black music, its a heart felt beautiful song (both versions). Also you can't deny that every once in a while a rhythm and blues artist would cover a country or Western swing song such as in the case of Wynonnie Harris covering Bloodshot Eyes by Hank Penny. I love all this stuff! I figured this is a civil place to discuss all this stuff so I thought I'd share my thoughts. One other thought, Nat Cole didn't start out as a Rhythm and Blues artist, he was straight up jazz...his jazz piano playing was some of the best the world ever heard, it was over shadowed when he got pop fame later but check his late 30s and early 40s recordings, particularly the instrumental sessions with Lester Young and Buddy Rich! Thanks for these great videos!
Good analogy Chollie Rock. Everything he's saying is right. I'm from Brooklyn and I can see everything he's saying. The Bronx had the BREAKS from funk and funk soul records. Brooklyn & Queens had the booming sound systems and maybe even some playing outside because I can remember around '74 or '75 when Flowers and Dice played in P.S. 9 schoolyard in Brooklyn. I was a little dude with my uncle at that jam but it wasn't "hip hop" as it was circulating in Bronxdale houses or the west side of the Bronx under Mario, Kool Dee, Kool Herc and Flash.
And anyone stupid enough to think that those songs where only sold to the DJs in the Bronx they need to get some mental health coverage asap. If you really have those original albums in your possession and you goggle the record sales on the internet you would see that millions of Americans brought those same Vinyl songs in the 1970s to listen to them on their record player back then because they weren't sold on CDs, cassettes and 8 track's. People use to buy 45s and Lps Vinyl. And Cholly Rock wasn't at everybody house back then to find out who was listening to what. Hes not God.
Family you not from Brooklyn saying stupid stuff like that and you must young because every record store in new York sold everything. You love the Bronx and bias and anytime you Cholly rock or anybody wanna debate me about me about the record that was played on my block parties in the 1970s or in my house let me know. I'm crushing every video Cholly rock was in so help me God. Family debate please. You gonna tell me about my own records me and my family bought? Are you a human satellite camera or something? Cholly rock was 10 years when these records came out. You gonna tell me only the Bronx records stores sold these records? I know better. Are you from a mental health clinic or something?
How you gonna tell people from the 1970s that owned records stores they shouldn't have made money off they records? And they only sold records to the Bronx or Kool Herc. You sound like you need mental health treatment? You dont know nothing about Brooklyn. Or Cholly rock. Nobody never saw him either
Interesting words from the elder, but explain to me why and how I witnessed breakbeat DJing in 1974 in St. Albans Park (Jamaica, Queens) by the Disco Brothers Connection (DJ crew). I also witnessed breakbeat DJing by Cipher of Sounds (DJ crew) and MCing by MC Spanky (who was from the Bronx) in 1975. Jamming was apart of everyday life in SouthSide Jamaica in 1974 - 1979 and rebellious youth embraced it. There must be a meeting to document the history correctly for our next generation. Because my extensive research proves that our Bronx Legends and Pioneers were not aware of many DJs and MCs who were pioneers in Queens. Much respect for sharing the knowledge OG.
Eva Marie King if you heard breakbeat DJing in 1974 st albans park queens then you should get more witnesses who saw it also...get all y'all on video and show the world....cuz from what i saw in documentaries queens and brooklyn DJ's was playing music in disco clubs....and even when queens/brooklyn dj's played in the parks y'all plugged into expensive generators...so you should do your videos with and capture you and your friends eye witness point of views so we can all watch
Michael Waynetv That's a good idea Michael Wayne, I'll take your advice. I would never disrespect you as a Historian or my Big Brother Cholly Rock. I am interested in teaching children and youth the true history of Hip Hop. Keep in mind Park Jam DJs in Jamaica, Queens introduced two-turntable DJing to the community as well as breakbeat DJing. Two of the first breakbeats that I heard in St. Albans Park was "Bra" and "Funky Soul Makossa." Also, in 1974 or 1975 the first Park Jam DJs that I witnessed Disco Brother Connections and Cipher of Sounds respectively, hooked up to the street lights for electricity, I didn't see generators until the early 1980s. I love what you do though, your channel is very educational, keep teaching my dear brother #RockOn
How you digitfy that uptown wasn't playing break beat, in August 11th 1973. Kool Herc was the first dj imitator creating beat small portion of song emphasizes percussion on two term tables.
Breakbeats were played by Queens and Brooklyn too not only Caribbean people African Americans DJs were the same techniques as herc the Jamaican DJ stopping and reversing the turntables.
First of all. I could careles about claiming hip hop because I'm a grown man that grew up off of all types of American music. Those records they talking about are soul music songs, funk and Disco anthems. Everybody from the Bronx could call them break beats or whatever they wanna call them. Those artists already made they money back then off of them.
I don't care what boroughs wanna claim another recording artist music. They point I'm making is nobody from the Bronx own the rights to those songs that the Bronx renamed them break beats. And whoever defends the Bronx is hateful and Prejudiced. Because Bronx people hate Brooklyn people so bad until it's a shame. And them Brooklyn or queens cats that made that documentary should've never did that. Because they should know how prejudices the Bronx dudes are. I call them hiphop supremacists. Black on Black hatred.
Ain't no deal been signed. The only deal got signed is between those r&b artists and their record label back in the 1970s. I wish I would claim another artist song like I'm retarded or something. I'm not desperate to claim a culture. I got other things in my life to worry about that pay Bill's. Jimmy Castror is dead and gone. And knowbody in the Bronx name is on his album or recieved record sales from just begun but him and his record label.
@@djgeebelly114 nigga you aint making any sense. this is basically his response to bk and queens claiming they started hip hop. brother cholly rock was just setting the record straight, telling the true history. its not about whether youre desperate or if you got bills to pay or about record sales...its about the truth and keeping the history accurate.
@@djgeebelly114 you say your or grown man you sound like a child, breakbeat is the funky part of a record, if your a deejay playing the whole record your not hip hop you have to be playing the breaks.
This is some good knowledge i always believed Dj Kool Herc was the founder even though i still got love for herc this cat & his patnaz should definitely write a book & get it published $$$$$$$$$$$
I've always felt the Bronx Dj's didn't play the "wack disco". Back in the day they played disco that actually was on point and a lot of disco you never heard on the radio!!
This brother Cholly Rock is the most credible of the pioneers interviewed on this channel. His memory is crisp and clear and he’s knowledgeable. He’s recalling 40 year old experiences from his youth better than Herc, Bam and everyone else and he knows the history and context.
Disco is nothing but uptempo R&B music. In the Black/Latino club (clubs where both commingled), like he said it wasn't that Studio 54 "type" of Disco, it was uptempo R&B/R&B Disco, all the Philly stuff, the obscure stuff on Motown, Classic Funk & Soul, Funky Rock shyt and Jazz Funk like Lonnie Liston Smith's "Expansions" or Johnny Hammond's "Los Conquisdadores Chocolates". Often times, they'd play the entire song of a breakbeat track...it wasn't just "Disco" or "R&B Disco"...they played anything that was funky, soulful and dance-able. Larry Levan (Garage), David Mancuso (Loft) played "breakbeat" records too. James Brown, Jimmy Castor Bunch, etc. along side all the uptempo R&B/R&B Disco. R&B Disco. After the '79, "Disco" became Dance Music and was flourishing in the Black/Latino underground clubs. All that stuff on Prelude, Salsoul, West End, Sam, etc. was funky, lowdown, soulful 4/4. Also, all that funky electro and jazz funk from the UK, Germany and Italy all that combined morphed into Chicago House music. "Club Music" as we called it back then always was bubbling under Hip Hop & R&B. It was so underground, you had to know someone who knew where to go to hear it.
Thank you brother for clearly explaining this. I usually tell this version of the birth of hip hop. In the Bronx, we rarely played Studio 54 Disco music.
Also your reference edits are excellent. It really helps to connect The narratives of the interviewees with the documented historical record, the pictures, existing films, and even the way you cross reference a mention by one person with mentions on the same topic, by another contemporary. You’re work is diligent. I’m impressed with the way you allow your subjects to just speak, without interjecting your own ideas or opinions (like vlad tv). But you also know when to prod with questions.
big bro keep it going this is true hip hop history a young brother like me never knew and probably never would have.. born n 92' very well needed and appreciated
Shout out to you Micah El for documenting this from the perspective of the actual players of the chess game! The crème De la crème of so called hip hop! Your my new Boo!
im happy for this video because a lot of bad mined and jealous people are trying to discredit DJ kool herc as the father of hip hop but the b-boys who dance the music have testified
@project alot of people are trying to understand how can you have the jubalaires and Pigment Markham .and even the word hip and rap being used in African America vernacular to refer to rapping yet the actual rap component supposedly comes from Jamaica.so once you have misinformation as such out people begin to wonder about other things
I have yet to hear any BK Or Queens DJ's respond. I would like them to have a round table discussion or debate with Cholly Rock so he can rip them to shreds. I'm glad he came out and denounced them
Cholly Rock I thank you for setting the differences straight on the history there was Disco in the other Burroughs and then there was hip hop in the birthplace which is the Bronx all of this took place but it was never broken down this clear before and this needs to be heard
Look fuck all the bullshit.... Its like this.... Manhattan fucked the Bx; Brooklyn fucked with Queens; Staten Island was by they damn self. So that is real right there.
salsoul music salsa rhytem with. english lyrics back then. ......check it out Joe batan panamanian brother lots of these where from. harlmem. they called it boogaloo.very short lived area....
Dope video but Rock n Roll goes back even further than R&B like Big Mama Thornton and Joe Turner. Rock n Roll came from the Blues and early rural Gospel first and foremost. Im talking about Country Rural Blues from the 20s and 30s like Tommy Johnson, Charley Patton, Hogman Maxey, John Dudley, Robert Johnson, back when it was just a black man and his guitar. Same place Country music comes from, and them niggas were rapping. Half of them couldn't sing they were rapping. I feel like part of the reason these Caribbean folks think rap music comes from their culture is because not enough African Americans from NYC know or care about their southern roots and culture. Almost all of our music is rooted in the south, really all of it to be honest. House is from Chicago and Disco is from NYC but they are both rooted in southern African American music.
F*cking love this guy - The rock n roll thing is true - Also 1st distorted guitar was a busted speaker on Ike Turners "Rocket 88" ( which is also considered the 1st Rock N Roll record). Great to hear undiluted truth being put down. Learn your real Hip Hop history kids, and its connection to ALL black music - including Rock N Roll/RNB,and don't let "others" shut you out of your history.
Brooklyn they did have the big sound systems that took up the whole block or blocks from end to end they did play disco but R&B disco which is soul R&B and a few D.j.'s they did play break beats. that was the only part close to hip hop when talking about the beats and talking on the mic some rhymes like Jocko and frankie crocker.But i move to Queens "Jamaica Queens" in 1974 and they had similar styles in music Djing and sound systems.But by 1976 you had crews that was straight up hip hop playing break beats, saying little rhymes and b boying break dancing as well as graff.Cause one reason of course you had families in the Bronx , in Harlem that the kids mother had go visit their cousins and vice versa Bronx visiting their families in Queens as well as Brooklyn o that those kids was expose to bring that back to their hoods. you a bus that went from Bronx dale and Bronx river straight to Queens. When our homeboy moved to the Bronx from Queens the whole gang of us between 9 and 12 year old we go jump the train and go see him, and they be jamming in the parks. Hip hop no doubt started in the Bronx the focal point of hip hop but the so called hoods 5 boros contribute to that birth. And a big note there would be no hip hop i was not for the people like James Brown,Parliament ,pigmeat, Phillie sounds , Down south funk R&B groups ,the funk drummers who created the break beats of the 1970's you think there would have been hip hop in the first place or something close to what we call hip hop and the culture
One thing about Disco. It never died. It morphed into club music/Garage music which lead to House music which lead to Dance music or soulful house when all blended together in a DJs set.
I'm from Brooklyn, Bed-Stuy to be exact and I remember those days in the parks. I have to agree because Brooklyn was all about the Hustle/Disco. Almost every park party was Disco 🎶! Not saying that some break beats weren't played because they were, but more Disco was played!
He’s missing one part of the puzzle. Remember, the first hit song in Hip Hop sampled a Disco song. How’s that? That’s because there was some overlap between Hip Hop and Disco. Simply because some kids in the Bronx used their youthful agility to break dance doesn’t mean Brooklyn and Queens didn’t contribute the creation of Hip Hop.
Wow! Great interview! I didn’t know that rock n roll derived from r and b! So interesting! Real truth! Amazing man there! Need fellows like him speaking to all people white/black/brown! Dropping knowledge!
From Spain here. This gentleman provides a very revealing social and musical context. is he aware of the devastation to white Anglo-Saxon culture that this may entail? Thanks for your work @Michael Wayne
Official Tissue..and yes, them Bronx Girl's were down for anything!! If It Weren't For The Bronx BK/QNS would still be wearing High Heels & Platform's..
True indeed.... Back in the days uptown use to call Bk cats.... Bum ass Bk cats! Word! Its the truth Bk cats used to dress like bums with ripped sweat shirts with some damn dress pants and some fucked up sneakers on. This i seen for myself back in the 80's So foh with this bull. Harlem and the BX always been on some fly dressing shit from A1 Day1!!!!
This argument will gone on forever. We can definitely say that wether you was a Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn or Manhattan DJ, you was playing the hot tunes of the day, wether it be Funk, Soul, Disco, Jazz, or whatever. Even outside the 5 boroughs, & around the world, different people were experimenting with the mixing & scratching elements. I don't know. . . nothing starts in a isolated bubble, it's all a bit of this from here, & another bit from over there, influences, new technologies, all mixed together to form something new. We are all standing on the shoulders of those before us.
The 14:55 is THE PART: don't matter the Equipments, is the TYPE OF MUSIC (DISCO or FUNKY BREAKS A.k.a. Hip Hop) and DANCES ("Hustle" or "B-boying"). Is the difference between "OOAH OOAH " and "YES YES Y'ALL".
at 1:15 "Young cats, Us !" - he really went back. forgot he's 54 ! The power and joy of childhood memories . & We OWE / Give Grand Wizard Theodore.... his Flowers . excuse me........ Rain Forest. A record scratch.... is about one of the most pleasing musical sounds.... i,ve ever heard. HE invented .
i know i'm years down the line after the posting date of this but i gota jump in here... Massive props for the depth of Chollies knowledge here, not because i don't know it, i'm weeeeell schooled on all this and 35 years deep in the independent music industry...but maaaaan, Chollie jus hit on something most do miss... The white kids in the U.K who were digging, without ANY racist overtones, on the music they could get their hands on, then creating their own. i and another generation later did it with House & Techno which is highly but not exclusively black produced. Proper musical cross pollination like R&B is too The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Cream and many others, House & Techno were influenced by European electronic music and production styles and then we in return embraced what they created. It still amazes me how much black culture in the States doesn't know there is an underground scene that has had an international effect since 1986/7 within Techno and House. Those cats were welcomed and made heroes over here while remaining almost totally unheard of in their own country. As with Chollies R&B into Rock n Roll knowledge droppin here, much of the modern U.S EDM is that same thing...underground Techno made "Safe" and soulless for unaware mostly middle class consumers. Jus as we embraced those Electronic pioneers, so were the R&B players always accepted and appreciated over here in times before them. Thanks for your dedication with these videos, Michael. As someone already steeped in a lot of this history, growing up with Soul & R&B before coming into my own in 85 as a Hip Hop DJ then embracing the Electronic side of things via Electrofunk and into Techno & House, i always find these documentaries to be fascinating and highly informative.
Chris Bano Sure. The Beatles in fact, based huge part of their repertory on mid-tempo R&B like "Searchin", "Mr.Postman", "Anna", "Roll Over Bethoven", "Long tall sally", "Twist and Shout".
The Who first started doing cover R&B songs from the 50s at live clubs in london. The British groups such as the rolling Stones got their name from Muddy Waters song
Frank216InDaLand In terms of "Rhymin rhythmically syncopated over a funky beat", The Pigmeat Markham song could be..but PROTO-RAP (Rhymin on the beat, not "spoken words" over music) had a Long history decades ago: "It's a good thing" by The Beale Street Shake (1927), "White Wash Station " by Memphis Jug Band (1928), "The Jungle King" by Cab Calloway (1933), "The Preacher and The Bear " by The Jubilaires (1940), etc
This brother is one of my favorite interviews. He’s so knowledgeable and his memory is so on point.
It’s like taking a time machine back in time. He remembers so many of the small details AND he also has a broader understanding of the dynamics of culture and social interactions at the time. He puts the beginnings of hip hop into a context that is so vivid.
Excellent breakdown of not only Hip Hop, but the other genres of music.
I’m from Brooklyn’s Roosevelt projects and was out there when Grand Master D aka DJ Lance played and this man is speaking the truth. Brooklyn was about the hustle not break dancing.
Dude, I'm trying to go to sleep, and my man just keep dropping mad knowledge.
Cholly Rock is a walking talking hip hop encyclopedia period. 💯
It is interesting that NY took black disco breakbeats and turned that into hip hop and the Chicago took some of those parts of Black disco and made house music around the same time period. Both took the best part of the record and extend it just like DJ's did when they were mixing at the party and made records to rap or sing over. One sped up the tempo and the other slowed it down, but they did similar types of record manipulations to recorded music in the same time era. I love it.
Frankie Knuckles (Bronx) moved to Chicago and helped father that genre.
We not gonna do that nyc got hiphop and chicago has house . A Chicago brother started that genre@@darrellalston2103
@ 7:30 he mentions Ruth Brown. For those who don't know it Ruth Brown was the aunt of Rakim Allah (William Michael Griffin) of Eric B. & Rakim.
This OG is legit! He's spitting out the knowledge digging deep into the roots of it all.
Shout to Cholly dropping the history for the culture. Keep on rock'n it
interview that make you say mmm.... and rewind just to get it again ...you learn something new everyday
I love this channel man big ups. I love these brothers kicking the knowledge and truth about the origins of hip hop.
one of the best videos featuring Cholly dropping jewels. Ruth Brown was the god Rakim's Aunt also.
I'm so glad I found this video. It reinforces all the other things I've been learning about America and racism. Basically the white society never respected any minority stealing and erasing our history.
This was a History Lesson! That Pat Boone reference was REAL!!
This dude is awesome... I admire his passion for education 🙏🏾
Ayo Elvis: message from Juice Crew's Masta Ace- "There's a sign at the door...'No BITIN' allowed'!!!
#KNOWLEDGEiskey💯
Great video. And Disco was "white gay" music. It was just black R&B, Soul and Funk music with a "4 on the floor beat" defined by various musicians especially the "Philly Sound". White gays adopted it and they started bringing black folks into their clubs "for love" to play and promote the music (and interracial gay sex). But quiet as it is kept they have always been doing that going all the way back to the 40s and before that.
dnifty1 Agree: "40's-50's R&B"=>Rock & Roll (8/8); "Philly Soul"=>Disco (4/4).
His analogy re: "R&B\Rock & Roll = Disco\Hip Hop"....WOW!🎯 Thx 4 this!
Super knowledgeable! So great! Only thing I'd respectfully disagree with is that early white rock and roll and rockabilly artists didn't cover the Rhythm and Blues songs to just make money...they really loved and respected those artist and their music. Elvis Presley's favorite group was the Golden Gate Gospel Quartet. I wouldn't doubt the record industry wanted to capitalize though and I know thats the point he's making here. Pat Boone is watered down garbage but Bill Haley, early Sun Records era Elvis (1954) that was real deal stuff. Buddy Holly covering the song Ting A Ling by the Clovers is not a cheap shot at capitalizing on black music, its a heart felt beautiful song (both versions). Also you can't deny that every once in a while a rhythm and blues artist would cover a country or Western swing song such as in the case of Wynonnie Harris covering Bloodshot Eyes by Hank Penny. I love all this stuff! I figured this is a civil place to discuss all this stuff so I thought I'd share my thoughts. One other thought, Nat Cole didn't start out as a Rhythm and Blues artist, he was straight up jazz...his jazz piano playing was some of the best the world ever heard, it was over shadowed when he got pop fame later but check his late 30s and early 40s recordings, particularly the instrumental sessions with Lester Young and Buddy Rich! Thanks for these great videos!
Good analogy Chollie Rock. Everything he's saying is right. I'm from Brooklyn and I can see everything he's saying. The Bronx had the BREAKS from funk and funk soul records. Brooklyn & Queens had the booming sound systems and maybe even some playing outside because I can remember around '74 or '75 when Flowers and Dice played in P.S. 9 schoolyard in Brooklyn. I was a little dude with my uncle at that jam but it wasn't "hip hop" as it was circulating in Bronxdale houses or the west side of the Bronx under Mario, Kool Dee, Kool Herc and Flash.
Family let me ask you a question? You really think those soul music songs or funk records didn't sell anywhere else but the Bronx in the 1970s?
And anyone stupid enough to think that those songs where only sold to the DJs in the Bronx they need to get some mental health coverage asap. If you really have those original albums in your possession and you goggle the record sales on the internet you would see that millions of Americans brought those same Vinyl songs in the 1970s to listen to them on their record player back then because they weren't sold on CDs, cassettes and 8 track's. People use to buy 45s and Lps Vinyl. And Cholly Rock wasn't at everybody house back then to find out who was listening to what. Hes not God.
Family you not from Brooklyn saying stupid stuff like that and you must young because every record store in new York sold everything. You love the Bronx and bias and anytime you Cholly rock or anybody wanna debate me about me about the record that was played on my block parties in the 1970s or in my house let me know. I'm crushing every video Cholly rock was in so help me God. Family debate please. You gonna tell me about my own records me and my family bought? Are you a human satellite camera or something? Cholly rock was 10 years when these records came out. You gonna tell me only the Bronx records stores sold these records? I know better. Are you from a mental health clinic or something?
Yo debate me bronx lover?
How you gonna tell people from the 1970s that owned records stores they shouldn't have made money off they records? And they only sold records to the Bronx or Kool Herc. You sound like you need mental health treatment? You dont know nothing about Brooklyn. Or Cholly rock. Nobody never saw him either
Can't forget Sister Rosetta Tharp, she the one that started a phenomenal culture of Rock n Roll
This dude telling the truth especially with the rock and roll being black music
Thank you Cholly Rock!
Sister Rosetta Tharp should be on that list of Rock n' Roll pioneers.
refreshing perspective from an original B-Boy
Interesting words from the elder, but explain to me why and how I witnessed breakbeat DJing in 1974 in St. Albans Park (Jamaica, Queens) by the Disco Brothers Connection (DJ crew). I also witnessed breakbeat DJing by Cipher of Sounds (DJ crew) and MCing by MC Spanky (who was from the Bronx) in 1975. Jamming was apart of everyday life in SouthSide Jamaica in 1974 - 1979 and rebellious youth embraced it. There must be a meeting to document the history correctly for our next generation. Because my extensive research proves that our Bronx Legends and Pioneers were not aware of many DJs and MCs who were pioneers in Queens. Much respect for sharing the knowledge OG.
Eva Marie King if you heard breakbeat DJing in 1974 st albans park queens then you should get more witnesses who saw it also...get all y'all on video and show the world....cuz from what i saw in documentaries queens and brooklyn DJ's was playing music in disco clubs....and even when queens/brooklyn dj's played in the parks y'all plugged into expensive generators...so you should do your videos with and capture you and your friends eye witness point of views so we can all watch
Michael Waynetv That's a good idea Michael Wayne, I'll take your advice. I would never disrespect you as a Historian or my Big Brother Cholly Rock. I am interested in teaching children and youth the true history of Hip Hop. Keep in mind Park Jam DJs in Jamaica, Queens introduced two-turntable DJing to the community as well as breakbeat DJing. Two of the first breakbeats that I heard in St. Albans Park was "Bra" and "Funky Soul Makossa." Also, in 1974 or 1975 the first Park Jam DJs that I witnessed Disco Brother Connections and Cipher of Sounds respectively, hooked up to the street lights for electricity, I didn't see generators until the early 1980s. I love what you do though, your channel is very educational, keep teaching my dear brother #RockOn
How you digitfy that uptown wasn't playing break beat, in August 11th 1973. Kool Herc was the first dj imitator creating beat small portion of song emphasizes percussion on two term tables.
Eva Marie King thats very interesting n inspiring the shit u witnessed
Breakbeats were played by Queens and Brooklyn too not only Caribbean people African Americans DJs were the same techniques as herc the Jamaican DJ stopping and reversing the turntables.
REAL HISTORY
HE NEED TO WRITE A BOOK
He just sealed the deal with that one, if you wasn't playing break beats, then you can't claim hip hop, that's it that's all...
First of all. I could careles about claiming hip hop because I'm a grown man that grew up off of all types of American music. Those records they talking about are soul music songs, funk and Disco anthems. Everybody from the Bronx could call them break beats or whatever they wanna call them. Those artists already made they money back then off of them.
I don't care what boroughs wanna claim another recording artist music. They point I'm making is nobody from the Bronx own the rights to those songs that the Bronx renamed them break beats. And whoever defends the Bronx is hateful and Prejudiced. Because Bronx people hate Brooklyn people so bad until it's a shame. And them Brooklyn or queens cats that made that documentary should've never did that. Because they should know how prejudices the Bronx dudes are. I call them hiphop supremacists. Black on Black hatred.
Ain't no deal been signed. The only deal got signed is between those r&b artists and their record label back in the 1970s. I wish I would claim another artist song like I'm retarded or something. I'm not desperate to claim a culture. I got other things in my life to worry about that pay Bill's. Jimmy Castror is dead and gone. And knowbody in the Bronx name is on his album or recieved record sales from just begun but him and his record label.
@@djgeebelly114 nigga you aint making any sense. this is basically his response to bk and queens claiming they started hip hop. brother cholly rock was just setting the record straight, telling the true history. its not about whether youre desperate or if you got bills to pay or about record sales...its about the truth and keeping the history accurate.
@@djgeebelly114 you say your or grown man you sound like a child, breakbeat is the funky part of a record, if your a deejay playing the whole record your not hip hop you have to be playing the breaks.
This man puts every musicologist to shame. There's nothing I wouldn't do to sit down and have a talk with him.
This is some good knowledge i always believed Dj Kool Herc was the founder even though i still got love for herc this cat & his patnaz should definitely write a book & get it published $$$$$$$$$$$
YES i agree/
I've always felt the Bronx Dj's didn't play the "wack disco". Back in the day they played disco that actually was on point and a lot of disco you never heard on the radio!!
It was on WBLS
Respect to the elder, for the detailed breakdown between, disco and, the music for the breakdancers.
Powerfull!!!!
I love that brother speaking...
This brother Cholly Rock is the most credible of the pioneers interviewed on this channel. His memory is crisp and clear and he’s knowledgeable. He’s recalling 40 year old experiences from his youth better than Herc, Bam and everyone else and he knows the history and context.
Great interview . Look forward to the next video
respect..filmed in front of my old public school (21) - attended from '78 to '85
Disco is nothing but uptempo R&B music. In the Black/Latino club (clubs where both commingled), like he said it wasn't that Studio 54 "type" of Disco, it was uptempo R&B/R&B Disco, all the Philly stuff, the obscure stuff on Motown, Classic Funk & Soul, Funky Rock shyt and Jazz Funk like Lonnie Liston Smith's "Expansions" or Johnny Hammond's "Los Conquisdadores Chocolates". Often times, they'd play the entire song of a breakbeat track...it wasn't just "Disco" or "R&B Disco"...they played anything that was funky, soulful and dance-able. Larry Levan (Garage), David Mancuso (Loft) played "breakbeat" records too. James Brown, Jimmy Castor Bunch, etc. along side all the uptempo R&B/R&B Disco. R&B Disco. After the '79, "Disco" became Dance Music and was flourishing in the Black/Latino underground clubs. All that stuff on Prelude, Salsoul, West End, Sam, etc. was funky, lowdown, soulful 4/4. Also, all that funky electro and jazz funk from the UK, Germany and Italy all that combined morphed into Chicago House music. "Club Music" as we called it back then always was bubbling under Hip Hop & R&B. It was so underground, you had to know someone who knew where to go to hear it.
These are absolute facts.
This man should be a scholar 👊🏾
Man...THANK YOU FOR THIS!!
Major truth bombs dropped. Salute!
Thank you brother for clearly explaining this. I usually tell this version of the birth of hip hop. In the Bronx, we rarely played Studio 54 Disco music.
Tremendous respect. Huge thanks for uploading these videos and huge respect to Cholly Rock for the knowledge.
Also your reference edits are excellent. It really helps to connect The narratives of the interviewees with the documented historical record, the pictures, existing films, and even the way you cross reference a mention by one person with mentions on the same topic, by another contemporary. You’re work is diligent. I’m impressed with the way you allow your subjects to just speak, without interjecting your own ideas or opinions (like vlad tv). But you also know when to prod with questions.
Respect! Real history...keep posting. Subscribed!
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 I was just telling people this same thing . Older black people hated hip hop but Claim it NOW . lol
So that's with every black genre but you not gon press the Puerto Ricans for calling it jungle music
big bro keep it going this is true hip hop history a young brother like me never knew and probably never would have.. born n 92' very well needed and appreciated
Shout out to you Micah El for documenting this from the perspective of the actual players of the chess game! The crème De la crème of so called hip hop! Your my new Boo!
im happy for this video because a lot of bad mined and jealous people are trying to discredit DJ kool herc as the father of hip hop but the b-boys who dance the music have testified
@project alot of people are trying to understand how can you have the jubalaires and Pigment Markham .and even the word hip and rap being used in African America vernacular to refer to rapping yet the actual rap component supposedly comes from Jamaica.so once you have misinformation as such out people begin to wonder about other things
I have yet to hear any BK Or Queens DJ's respond. I would like them to have a round table discussion or debate with Cholly Rock so he can rip them to shreds. I'm glad he came out and denounced them
Good idea bxdale83
Cholly Rock I thank you for setting the differences straight on the history there was Disco in the other Burroughs and then there was hip hop in the birthplace which is the Bronx all of this took place but it was never broken down this clear before and this needs to be heard
All of Ny know that Hip Hop came about in Bx.... Im from Harlem.... And We got down to. Harlem stayed up in the Bx.
Look fuck all the bullshit.... Its like this.... Manhattan fucked the Bx; Brooklyn fucked with Queens; Staten Island was by they damn self. So that is real right there.
This Brother has Explained the Hip Hop Culture more Expertly than anyone outside of THE GREEN EYED GENIE himself !!! An Excellent Description !!!
salsoul music salsa rhytem with. english lyrics back then. ......check it out Joe batan panamanian brother lots of these where from. harlmem. they called it boogaloo.very short lived area....
Naw homie... Salsa and Manrengea came from Africa. Its all history no debate nor a discourse on this.
Awww man that was tight. I could listen to this O.G. all day.
Massive respect.
Cholly Rock, set the record straight.
Dope video but Rock n Roll goes back even further than R&B like Big Mama Thornton and Joe Turner. Rock n Roll came from the Blues and early rural Gospel first and foremost. Im talking about Country Rural Blues from the 20s and 30s like Tommy Johnson, Charley Patton, Hogman Maxey, John Dudley, Robert Johnson, back when it was just a black man and his guitar. Same place Country music comes from, and them niggas were rapping. Half of them couldn't sing they were rapping. I feel like part of the reason these Caribbean folks think rap music comes from their culture is because not enough African Americans from NYC know or care about their southern roots and culture. Almost all of our music is rooted in the south, really all of it to be honest. House is from Chicago and Disco is from NYC but they are both rooted in southern African American music.
F*cking love this guy - The rock n roll thing is true - Also 1st distorted guitar was a busted speaker on Ike Turners "Rocket 88" ( which is also considered the 1st Rock N Roll record). Great to hear undiluted truth being put down. Learn your real Hip Hop history kids, and its connection to ALL black music - including Rock N Roll/RNB,and don't let "others" shut you out of your history.
from the scratch even elvis said rock and roll started from church praises in black churches.
Brooklyn they did have the big sound systems that took up the whole block or blocks from end to end they did play disco but R&B disco which is soul R&B and a few D.j.'s they did play break beats. that was the only part close to hip hop when talking about the beats and talking on the mic some rhymes like Jocko and frankie crocker.But i move to Queens "Jamaica Queens" in 1974 and they had similar styles in music Djing and sound systems.But by 1976 you had crews that was straight up hip hop playing break beats, saying little rhymes and b boying break dancing as well as graff.Cause one reason of course you had families in the Bronx , in Harlem that the kids mother had go visit their cousins and vice versa Bronx visiting their families in Queens as well as Brooklyn o that those kids was expose to bring that back to their hoods. you a bus that went from Bronx dale and Bronx river straight to Queens. When our homeboy moved to the Bronx from Queens the whole gang of us between 9 and 12 year old we go jump the train and go see him, and they be jamming in the parks. Hip hop no doubt started in the Bronx the focal point of hip hop but the so called hoods 5 boros contribute to that birth. And a big note there would be no hip hop i was not for the people like James Brown,Parliament ,pigmeat, Phillie sounds , Down south funk R&B groups ,the funk drummers who created the break beats of the 1970's you think there would have been hip hop in the first place or something close to what we call hip hop and the culture
Dope interview
One thing about Disco. It never died. It morphed into club music/Garage music which lead to House music which lead to Dance music or soulful house when all blended together in a DJs set.
awesome!!!!
I am gonna find a way to shine a lot more attention on these interviews and stories. The revisionism of history must be stopped.
Awesome story's and content from you brothers across the pond 🇬🇧🏴☠️🇬🇧🏴☠️
peace brother thank you
@@TheCulture..Started1971 and you fam 💚💛❤️🏴☠️🇬🇧🏴☠️
Needs to be a documentary!!! True history of Hip Hop!!
disco demolition happens in comiski park Chicago white Sox back in the 70s
You need to start a patreon get some dollar to do a doc/movie.
Exactly
ask these OG's about Bambaataa and the alleged allegations.
This video was dope. I love Cholly Rock. He's a community man, too. He said hi to just about everyone who walked by. Good dude.
they also. sang a little doo woop. ...i like it like that style it all ties in.....with the RICANS.
I'm from Brooklyn, Bed-Stuy to be exact and I remember those days in the parks. I have to agree because Brooklyn was all about the Hustle/Disco. Almost every park party was Disco 🎶! Not saying that some break beats weren't played because they were, but more Disco was played!
This brother is on point were disco came from.
Ruth Browns nephew is Rakim Allah, Tha Gawd.....
pluto seven Tbb correction... The God!
I WONDERED HOW MANY OF YOU KNEW RUTH BROWN WAS RAKIM'S AUNT.
sooooooo on point!!!!
Very good video important information here!
He’s missing one part of the puzzle. Remember, the first hit song in Hip Hop sampled a Disco song. How’s that? That’s because there was some overlap between Hip Hop and Disco. Simply because some kids in the Bronx used their youthful agility to break dance doesn’t mean Brooklyn and Queens didn’t contribute the creation of Hip Hop.
Wow! Great interview! I didn’t know that rock n roll derived from r and b! So interesting! Real truth! Amazing man there! Need fellows like him speaking to all people white/black/brown! Dropping knowledge!
All music came from BLACK PEOPLE!! FACTS!
Thank you so much, Cholly Rock. : )
From Spain here.
This gentleman provides a very revealing social and musical context. is he aware of the devastation to white Anglo-Saxon culture that this may entail?
Thanks for your work @Michael Wayne
Official Tissue..and yes, them Bronx Girl's were down for anything!! If It Weren't For The Bronx BK/QNS would still be wearing High Heels & Platform's..
You buggin
True indeed.... Back in the days uptown use to call Bk cats.... Bum ass Bk cats! Word! Its the truth Bk cats used to dress like bums with ripped sweat shirts with some damn dress pants and some fucked up sneakers on. This i seen for myself back in the 80's So foh with this bull. Harlem and the BX always been on some fly dressing shit from A1 Day1!!!!
Kings & Queens please get together & solidify & clarify this Musical History, Preserve it for Generations to come. it come from all of us.
Not at all.... BX only!!!!
This argument will gone on forever. We can definitely say that wether you was a Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn or Manhattan DJ, you was playing the hot tunes of the day, wether it be Funk, Soul, Disco, Jazz, or whatever. Even outside the 5 boroughs, & around the world, different people were experimenting with the mixing & scratching elements.
I don't know. . . nothing starts in a isolated bubble, it's all a bit of this from here, & another bit from over there, influences, new technologies, all mixed together to form something new. We are all standing on the shoulders of those before us.
Ruth Brown aunt of the 18th Letter .
Cholly Rock is FACTUALIZING THE THING. Some of this is stuff I've known for years. He's filling in a lot of blanks fo me.
Cholly Rock speaking TRUTH, dropping History with FACTS
The 14:55 is THE PART: don't matter the Equipments, is the TYPE OF MUSIC (DISCO or FUNKY BREAKS A.k.a. Hip Hop) and DANCES ("Hustle" or "B-boying"). Is the difference between "OOAH OOAH " and "YES YES Y'ALL".
This man is a living museum.
at 1:15 "Young cats, Us !" - he really went back. forgot he's 54 ! The power and joy of childhood memories .
& We OWE / Give Grand Wizard Theodore.... his Flowers . excuse me........ Rain Forest. A record scratch.... is about one of the most pleasing musical sounds.... i,ve ever heard. HE invented .
1980s teens are luckiest teens of America if all time
A lot of major rap talent was coming out of Brooklyn in the late 80s, great times!
i know i'm years down the line after the posting date of this but i gota jump in here...
Massive props for the depth of Chollies knowledge here, not because i don't know it, i'm weeeeell schooled on all this and 35 years deep in the independent music industry...but maaaaan, Chollie jus hit on something most do miss...
The white kids in the U.K who were digging, without ANY racist overtones, on the music they could get their hands on, then creating their own.
i and another generation later did it with House & Techno which is highly but not exclusively black produced. Proper musical cross pollination like R&B is too The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Cream and many others, House & Techno were influenced by European electronic music and production styles and then we in return embraced what they created.
It still amazes me how much black culture in the States doesn't know there is an underground scene that has had an international effect since 1986/7 within Techno and House. Those cats were welcomed and made heroes over here while remaining almost totally unheard of in their own country. As with Chollies R&B into Rock n Roll knowledge droppin here, much of the modern U.S EDM is that same thing...underground Techno made "Safe" and soulless for unaware mostly middle class consumers.
Jus as we embraced those Electronic pioneers, so were the R&B players always accepted and appreciated over here in times before them.
Thanks for your dedication with these videos, Michael. As someone already steeped in a lot of this history, growing up with Soul & R&B before coming into my own in 85 as a Hip Hop DJ then embracing the Electronic side of things via Electrofunk and into Techno & House, i always find these documentaries to be fascinating and highly informative.
Very insightful knowledge on genre history music
Chris Bano Sure. The Beatles in fact, based huge part of their repertory on mid-tempo R&B like "Searchin", "Mr.Postman", "Anna", "Roll Over Bethoven", "Long tall sally", "Twist and Shout".
The Who first started doing cover R&B songs from the 50s at live clubs in london. The British groups such as the rolling Stones got their name from Muddy Waters song
History of "how White teenagers STEAL BLACK MUSIC, and they take THE MONEY".
Pigmeat Markham "Here comes the judge" in 1968 was the first ever rap song. it's on RUclips it's not bad ethier
Frank216InDaLand In terms of "Rhymin rhythmically syncopated over a funky beat", The Pigmeat Markham song could be..but PROTO-RAP (Rhymin on the beat, not "spoken words" over music) had a Long history decades ago: "It's a good thing" by The Beale Street Shake (1927), "White Wash Station " by Memphis Jug Band (1928), "The Jungle King" by Cab Calloway (1933), "The Preacher and The Bear " by The Jubilaires (1940), etc
No you damn sideshow.... Try The great Louie Armstrong....!!!! With Scatting.Homeboy you know nothing about all that!!!!
That brother should be saluted for his musical scholarship…..
I love this he not just talking he braking down the facts to back it up
Disco evolved into House music
Straight up knowledge, Cholly rock is a history book fosho !
WORD! true history spoken RAW AND UNCUT ,tell em some more ,not only the youth but all mankind!
So basically r&b music is the root to all black American music
one of the best music lessons ever !!
FACT! Stop The Steal = Hip-Hop! #FBA #B1
Droppin’ science