Michael thanks for representing Black American culture. Thanks to your neighborhood for creating hip hop. Everybody tries to claim our Black American culture while copying our swag at the same time.
@@acerkrt James Brown and George Clinton aren't from NYC you lame. but hip hop comes from that black American soul music. Funk music. and NYC black Americans have roots in the south. You sound like an immigrant.
@@bluesneakers Sir it's got nothing to do with black people or the south. It's NYC culture. Graffiti writing on subways is the 1 st element of Hiphop and it's got Nothing to do with skin or the South. Next time you address me on this be ready to show and prove you was even there when we was creating our culture that the rest of America and the world emulate.
Why is it so hard for people to give credit to Disco King Mario, Kool DJ Dee and DJ Sinbad? We can’t erase Bronxdale’s Contributions to Hip Hop Culture.
Because of booty bandit bam tried to bury Marios name and took his place! Look bam touched a lot of those men took pictures of them he has them in photo albums Hassan exposed that Shit and nobody paid attention. Booty bandit bam & Zulu nation had and still do have a tight grip in nyc Herc and Booty bandit bam wanted to Mario so bad if you look at old pictures Herc dressed just like Mario! Cut his hair like Mario the man really wanted be Mario Wish Mario was still with us a lot of this Jamaica bull Shit will be put to bed‼️RIP DJ MARIO ✊🏿
Nobody's taking away from Bronxdale. HOWEVER the narrative that's being spun, is that Bronxdale is the Mecca of Hip-Hop, and there was NOBODY else, throughout the Bronx jamming. Bronxdale has their own history, that's their own, but it's the THE history of Hip-Hop.
Didnt no Jamacians create no hip hop Black Americans created hip hop!!! We can go back even further then the 70's... We can go back as far as the 40's 50's & 60's with this...
Word Up..Keep it up.. DJ Phase we going get you on the Killah Priest Podcast..Been watching learning studying since day one..You and homie doing the videos.. Much Much appreciated..Keep bring the truth..
I BEAR WITNESS THIS IS THE TRUTH, shout out to dj phase and king devine. I'm 57 years old, grew up in Bronxdale and ran with the Ames family. Kool herc started wearing the big hats after Mario.
I've watching for years. I still have family all over there and seen it for myself. It hurts to write this. You did a good job... And them Spade leaders was my Leaders was my leaders.... Zulu King Amin
I’m older than this dude and I was rockin British Walkers, Clarks, Referees, Marshmallows, Playboys and all that too. I didn’t live in that Project. I heard of dudes like DJ Breakout, Herc, Bam, Mario, Pete DJ Jones, L Brothers, Disco Twins, Flash, Billl Blast, Coke La Rock, and others. Never heard of Phase until this RUclips channel. Some of the stuff he says is interesting. I’ll leave it at that.
Have you ever been to a carriage room party? Have you been to the lollipop jams? Did you ever go to the 3rd section jams? Just curious! What about Spanky Sinbad Tex Smokey Ronnie Tyrone RIP Dee?
hmmm i heave read that Phase 2 the Grafitti writer was a dj 2 and he has his small Partys in 70/71/72 playing breaks and have his BBoy Crew.Herc was there and got it from him way before he was a dj😉
.In the documenttry "we was all kings" by phase II the graffiti artist..Pete Dj Jones clearly states that Flowers was the first and then flash came later and was the fastest. Pete was not talking about just throwing records on quickly he was talking about alternating /merrygoround/quickmix..
Kool Herc didn't create the Hip Hop vibe or energy. What he did from what I have seen in these videos was create a turntable technique that propelled hip hop forward. The party vibe was all ready there and so was the desire to hear the breaks in the records. The B Boys are the real beginners of Hip Hop. Once the B Boys started waiting for the break of the song to do their dance, other people starting waiting for the break to see them dance. Once that got popular other people like MC's wanted to get involved. Kool Herc was important but he didn't create the culture, he just propelled it forward with a DJ trick that was imitated and perfected by other DJs.
@@chincracker7735 all I know is what is presented to me. A lot of people give Kool Herc credit for coming up with the "Merry go Round" technique but I have not seen anyone else come forth and say they came up with the idea first. Maybe someone did but there's been no one to tell that story.
@@chincracker7735 also who ever came up with technique should be giving a lot of credit because this looping of the breaks helped hip hop grow to what it is today. Someone else might have come up with idea but the timing was essential at not letting hip hop fade away back in the 70's. The Merry go Round inspired others to be way more creative than just playing the records and it happened right at the birth of the B boy. Now the B Boys didn't have to wait on the break part of the song. I would love to hear some early recording of DJ's when they first started to experiment with this .
Here is a TRUE history lesson of the origin of hip hop. "Kool Herc went on Maury Polvich show to take a lie detector test' and the test results came back "YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER" it is very clear hip hop and rap music is African Americans culture and music created and originated by African Americans not carribeans or kool herc. he moved to america at age 12 in 1967. around the time hip hop was bubbling up. you telling me he brought hip hop culture or music with him. Herc didn't create or originate nothing in hip hop including extending / juggling, looping break beats or the merry go round the made up name he created for it. he leaarned all of that from african american DJ's. he just wants to be in the history books. he used to tell the truth early on. He said he used to attend disco parties and the djs were playing break beats while the people there were breakin and yes that was the term used in 1970 for break dancing. being done before herc. he wasnt the first to do anything in hip hop including his merry go round technique. Disco DJ's at disco clubs and parties would extend the breakdown of records for as long as 20 minutes at times to get the kids to get funky or break dance. That is what break dance means to dance on the breakdowns, DJ's would loop the break from turntable to turntable while the kids got funky on the dance floor break dancing. soul train was started in the late 60s in chicago as traveling record hops by Don Cornelius, where he traveled around to different venues putting on his dance record hops. the show went live on tv in 1970 were young kids dance to the latest funk soul rnb music. the soul train line literally was the DJ playing extended beats of records while the soul train dancers would do the latest dance crazes like poppin pop lockin robot breakin and hundreds more dance crazes. that was watched by millions. this was the early foundation of hip hop which included james brown who used to dance to extended breakdowns of the beat for as long as 30 minutes in his shows. Some may say pigmeat markums here comes the judge, is not a hip hop record but it has every element and the black spades and others around those neighborhoods who are the real founders of pretty much every element of hip hop culture said that is who they were copying when they would battle snap (rap) to music at block parties and just on the street corners in the neighborhood. block parties, toasting, sound systems, rapping, breakin, graffiti, and every other element of hip hop was created and influenced here in America by African American's. Not the Caribbeans. U-roy and other Jamaican Artists and toasters said they got their music culture from our music and DJ's so how could they have originated it. in fact, ska, rocksteady, and reggae music was directly inspired by African American music and culture. Many of the early pioneers of ska and rock steady which became reggae music said they were copying and inspired by African American music, and culture. FBA (Foundational Black Americans) originated and created hip hop period. not kool herc or carribeans. Herc did not create the extended breakbeat. So that is out. he didnt create the merry go round technique, he just put a name to what he was copying. African Americans created most of the worlds most popular music genras and subcultures. that is a fact. so stop with the ambiguity and if you are trying to truly get to the truth, then tell the truth and stop leaving it open for interpretation. African Americans created hip hop and rap period. Rap literally goes all the way back to slavery in the usa. kool herc and other carribeans here contributed and participated like the rest of the early pioneers. but they didnt start nothing accept maybe grandmaster flash with some of his techinlogical inventions and theories around turntabalism, but that is not the creation of turntabalism, deejaying or hip hop, but an elevation. a contribution of one element of the art form. if Jamaicans were listening to African Americans DJ's (Deejays) and were inspired to copy it, they couldn't have done it first, thus they didn't create it. dancehall which started in the late 70s was a speed up more rhythmic reggae inspired music form which was inspired by ska, which was literally inspired by African American music and DJs. see how the ball goes around. you people at this point ( And I'm talking to some of the people in your comments and just in general about these debates and responding to some of the statements you made in your videos), are down right disrespecting African Americans and their long and arduous creation of the culture. let me again explain it to yah, in my fake Jamaican accent. i love my Jamaica seestas and brudas but this gotta stop. The rhythmic rhyming of vocals of African American toasting (Jive Talking) influenced the development of toasting in Jamaica and development of the dancehall style In the late 1950s deejay toasting (In Jamaica) was developed by Count Matchuki. He conceived the idea from listening to disc jockeys on American radio stations. He would do African American jive over the music while selecting and playing R&B music. Deejays like Count Machuki working for producers would play the latest hits on traveling sound systems (African American inspired mobile Dj systems) at parties and add their toasts or vocals to the music. These toasts consisted of comedy, boastful commentaries, half-sung rhymes, rhythmic chants, squeals, screams and rhymed storytelling, which was inspired by African American minstral shows and stage shows (Of course they added their own flare making it their own style) but that's my point. Creativity comes from inspiration. They were inspired by African American Deejaying and Music Culture but they then made it their own. That's like how everything else is created Later in the 1960s toasting deejays included U-Roy and Dennis Alcapone, the latter known for mixing gangster talk with humor in his toasting. In the early 1970s, toasting deejays included I-Roy (his nickname is in homage to U-Roy) and Dillinger, the latter known for his humorous toasting style. In the early 1970s Big Youth became popular. In the late 1970s, Trinity followed and they all said they were inspired by and emulating African American music and culture with their own flair. This all comes back around full circle to African American Culture and music. Not saying we created everything but out of shear necessity we created our own cultures and music, as well as many other American traditions. sometimes we get credit for it but in the broader scheme of things it is hidden from American society and thus hidden from the world as a form of deliberate oppression and deliberate cultural appropriation. This goes on a lot. We don't get the credit for a lot of our contributions to the world. and really it's by design. These historians know the truth about it but African Americans are discredited in place of other people. This has to stop. Go read a book on the inventions and innovations that African Americans have contributed to the world and you will literally be shocked beyond belief. how can you be the root of hip hop music when hip hop music is literally African American music. disco, r&b ,funk ,jazz, and anything else you wanna mix in there that we created. Herc already said it was alread bubbling up and he was inspired by other DJ's and what he was hearing and seeing. if he wasnt the first to juggle break beats, didnt create or the music that was inspiring it, he wasnt the first throwing parties in the park. wasnt the first throwing house partys, how could he have invented it. This is a stupid argument. he came over here and seen African Americans are lit. and got inspired like everyone else in the world. hes not the creator. one of the early pioneers yes. creator no. Herc literally does not even know how to dj. Look at what he is doing in his video explaining the merry go round technique which is just beat juggling and looping or extending the beat. It literally does not match up to how cross fading works. He is a huge fraud and liar. That is why you see no video of him dj'ing and your telling me this guy created extended break beat juggling and looping and hip hop. This is blasphemy in its highest form and literally the text book definition of cultural appropriation, and it is being deliberately and blindly spread around the world, stealing the real credit from the real African American pioneers and creators. Pete DJ Jones and DJ Flowers were some of the first to isolate the instrument break beat and extend and loop it, The get down. And that was influenced by James Brown shouting out get down and him dancing to the breakdowns and getting funky. That was the first DJ'S doing what Kool Herc named his merry go round technique. He didnt create it. Rappers Delight literally copied that song by the Jubilaires' in this video Go Listen To Rappers Delight' it Sounds Just Like the jubilairs rapping in the 40s. They just changed the words' it is the same exact cadence' That cadence is the exact cadence and rapping flow of all hip hop in the 70s and 80s the foundation of hip hop' the black spades the true founders of hip hop culture said they were mimicking them and Pigmeat Markum during their snap battles which is basically battle rapping or cracking on each other over a beat and sometimes without a beat' So No! Kool Herc or Caribbeans did not create or inspire hip hop. It was actually the other way around. African American culture and music inspired Carribean culture. Was he and other Caribbeans early contributors and pioneers, yes. They contributed, but founding fathers no.
BX Dale was definitely a force back then ....... BUT 8 yrs old wearing British Walkers ? Salute to the fallen Winston Cowboy Steryl Cookie Clemons BlackJack etc ......Salute Poochie Cleveland Curry Jose and Rob LiL Roy Kurt LiL Keith Blood Peter Williams kusar etc ......
Why is it so hard to believe we had British Walker's at 8? Lil Keith Small Paul Sporty Lester Lil Steve Champ RIP Troy etc all had them! I guess they didn't wear them either at that age? Do you know what Ripps look like? Hard to understand how we were because some of y'all still CANT be like us! Lmao 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
I see no reply about being 8 and wearing British Walker's lmao 🤣 I guess you didn't ask any of us who were wearing them or found out that yes we had them! Lmao 😂 My kid's had Jordan's and alot of other fly wear younger than that? I know this ain't Scottie from Monroe Because Scottie would definitely know better! Bronxdale home of the creation of Hip-hop!
No one project can take the credit for Hip Hop . I saw little black kids Break Dancing in Harlem 1973 using cardboard boxes taped together. I didn’t see anybody spinning on their head in the Bronx at that time
@myronsmith2114.. we don't even try to take credit for all of hiphop..Bronxdale sparked the Culture called hiphop..and many different people from different places added to it
The original word was Disco Jams . We called it Jams because when people came though the door the first thing they said was “This Joint is Jammed Packed “ . I hate to hurt your feelings but that started in Philly . Gangster Rap started in Philly but Cali get the credit for it
@myronsmith2114... we never said we created the word!!... we sparked the Culture that became hiphop.. many different people from different places added to it... but as far as Philly... shout out salute to Philly..you should make your own videos to substatiate and show what your saying...because many of us probably never heard of what your saying...but again... we never said we created the word "JAM"...But however we did have the first jams in the bronx ny for the young african-american gangstas and fly girls
The Incredible Bongo Band used to play in Bronxdale...Yeah okay. All credibility is shot just by that statement alone. A lot of people, who don't know, is eating this up.
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 I have no problem with that. That is highly believable. Your man said that he was the first one to have Apache. He tried to validate it by saying it was because the Incredible Bongo Band played there LOL. He says things that don't add up.
@soulknob.. what if people like Willie Colon was around Rosedale park/Bronxdale playing music like bongo band?... what if Willie Colon brought members from the bongo band around Rosedale park/bronxdale? is it possible that willie colon was with bongo band?
Well I'm still running with Kool Herc. I don't like how he views Puerto Ricans anyway (DJ Phase). You can tell he don't really like us like that. Reminds me of Black Americans down south and in the mid west. Don't really care for them either.
Peace. This video looks like the conga rhythms played in the park by Puerto Ricans had some influence on those early breaks. All the lies that PR’s had no influence is shattered by this video. All the congas and drums combined together was the foundation for the Breaks. It’s all good to give credit where it’s due. Peace. Shoutout Willie Colon. My Godfather played piano for him in the late 60’s and early 70’s. Mark Dimond. Half FBA and half Cuban. Let’s no act like we wasn’t together creating and jamming out in the park and the recording studio. Peace
@@MrSP1200 if you are a BeatMaster you know we don't just give out name's! Come on man! Anytime you ready to go beat for beat I been ready! I am BeatMaster Ready!
@@kooldjphase Haha! How old were you in 68? You're claiming you were collecting breakbeats in 68? Do you mean you were a kid drummer & had records you played drums along to in 68?
@@MrSP1200 Yes I was a kid drummer and yes I was collecting records! Some kid's collected toy's I always loved music! Is there a problem with you believing that kid's are capable of doing great things? Seems like you just want to have something to say about MY version of the creation of Hip-hop! If you don't believe what I am saying don't watch my videos simple!
It’s evident that the origin of HH is unclear. Many folks have their theories either it’s from BX, Queens, BK,the South or the Caribbean. HH has too many dimensions to its creation!!!
@sway9044... its very clear to us!! the culture of HIPHOP began when African American youth took over their environment and began to express themselves creatively thru the elements we now call HIPHOP... And those bronx youth was Mario with the Spades...doing their aggressive dance styles etc... from there it was many innovations... smokey and the smokatrons...... Kool Herc/coke la rock merry go round formed breakdance/b.boys...zulu nation added gm flash and Theodore added...etc
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 some of those elements were not created by FBA. So does that mean other groups help with the creation of HHC. For examples, DJing was not a FBA creation but it’s a vital element within the culture. Modern Graffiti is credited to Cornbread but he admits that graffiti was already being done in gangs. As I stated many FBA have a different perspective from you! It’s not clear!
@sway9044 .. its very clear to us!!.. people don't agree because they are approaching hiphop history incorrectly and then their ego won't allow them to admit the truth... I will give you an example... look at your comment .. you said "SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS WERE NOT CREATED BY FBA"....you said... "DJING WAS NOT A FBA CREATION" etc..now understand..hiphop is NOT about CREATING the elements... hiphop history has NOTHING to do with creating any of the elements...YES THOSE ELEMENTS EXISTED BEFORE HIPHOP ...those elements were created by whoever...it really doesn't matter who created each element...hiphop started when all of those elements came together AS ONE at the same time same place by youngsters... TEENAGERS AND PRE TEENS!!... So the question is... when and where did those elements first come together in unison... who were the teenagers dj'n emcee'n doing graffiti street dance and speaking street knowledge all at the same time?? that's the start of the Culture later called hiphop... the answer is Mario and the Spades!!
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 ppl select certain points in history to define their beliefs. For example, many FBA bring up old videos from the 40s & 50s as evidence to reaffirm that HH was created by BA. However, when each element is dissected in this case, DJing and the true origin is revealed BA doesn’t want to include that portion of history. You can’t pick and choose the narrative for HH. Discuss every detail, groups, historical events that led to this phenomenon. The message is mixed amongst FBA. Some wholeheartedly believe that they created each element. Some FBA believes that it’ll there were other groups involved in the creation. Again it’s not clear! The initial story was HH was originated in the BX by Herc. As history is unfolded we hear stories that Queens and BK was also doing HH. Some FBA state Caribbean was also a part of HH. DJ’s such as King Charles. Gang culture is another example and potential influence or creation of HH such as the Black Spades. Ppl are so caught up in their emotions they skip various parts of historical context. You stated that “history has nothing to do with creating the elements”. Yet you are going back in history for your rebuttal 🤦🏽 To find the truth one must research the history. I digress…. As I stated it’s not clear!!
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 again each element is vital. If the theory is that gang culture started HHC in NYC that you will have to look at the gangs! As history shows that there were multiple gangs with both black and brown. The civil rights movement was a crucial element such as the black panther party or the young lords. If you look at the spoken words in the late 60s there were many poets that were black and brown. It is not as clear as you believe! You do know that there were brown members in the Spades although it was black majority members. Are you going to discredit the brown minority members in Spades? No one truly knows how HH was created! This is why you have many stories. The most recent stories of its origin are from the South or the Caribbean.
Dj phase and divine are so wack in the hip hop culture that nobody acknowledges them.is divine and phase in krushgroove???or in any of the earlier hip hop movies no. Cause their sound was wack at best.
I've been watching your channel for the last few months. Great content. My people know Kool herc out here in NYC. Tariq Nasheed is doing a documentary on hip hop. I want to connect you to him. What's your email?
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Michael thanks for representing Black American culture. Thanks to your neighborhood for creating hip hop. Everybody tries to claim our Black American culture while copying our swag at the same time.
Hiphop isn't black culture. It's only NYC culture.
if you ain't from NYC you ain't Hiphop .
@@acerkrt shut up it’s black American culture
@@acerkrt Its Black American culture. And a lot of the pioneers was from the south through the migrations. At least come with facts.
@@acerkrt James Brown and George Clinton aren't from NYC you lame. but hip hop comes from that black American soul music. Funk music. and NYC black Americans have roots in the south. You sound like an immigrant.
@@bluesneakers Sir it's got nothing to do with black people or the south.
It's NYC culture.
Graffiti writing on subways is the 1 st element of Hiphop and it's got Nothing to do with skin or the South.
Next time you address me on this be ready to show and prove you was even there when we was creating our culture that the rest of America and the world emulate.
Why is it so hard for people to give credit to Disco King Mario, Kool DJ Dee and DJ Sinbad? We can’t erase Bronxdale’s Contributions to Hip Hop Culture.
Because of booty bandit bam tried to bury Marios name and took his place! Look bam touched a lot of those men took pictures of them he has them in photo albums Hassan exposed that Shit and nobody paid attention. Booty bandit bam & Zulu nation had and still do have a tight grip in nyc
Herc and Booty bandit bam wanted to Mario so bad if you look at old pictures Herc dressed just like Mario! Cut his hair like Mario the man really wanted be Mario Wish Mario was still with us a lot of this Jamaica bull Shit will be put to bed‼️RIP DJ MARIO ✊🏿
@@Black_unity597 What happened to Mario?
And Tex DJ Hollywood🇵🇷who was DJaying with Disco King Mario at the same time 🤔
BRONXDALE'S CREATION OF HIP-HOP!
Nobody's taking away from Bronxdale. HOWEVER the narrative that's being spun, is that Bronxdale is the Mecca of Hip-Hop, and there was NOBODY else, throughout the Bronx jamming. Bronxdale has their own history, that's their own, but it's the THE history of Hip-Hop.
Didnt no Jamacians create no hip hop Black Americans created hip hop!!! We can go back even further then the 70's... We can go back as far as the 40's 50's & 60's with this...
1920s but it really go back to slavery.
ruclips.net/p/PL77OcsA0H7EgEx7fm5771RzAo5KYYKivf
You go back before the 70's and then it's not Hip Hop. It's just one of the elements.
Word Up..Keep it up..
DJ Phase we going get you on the Killah Priest Podcast..Been watching learning studying since day one..You and homie doing the videos.. Much Much appreciated..Keep bring the truth..
It all started in Bronxdale!.. so glad to know. Thanks for sharing👍🏾
Him and Green Eyes described the Cuban Guaguanco patron rhythms.
King Devine looks good he took very good care of himself. Thank you for the video.
I BEAR WITNESS THIS IS THE TRUTH, shout out to dj phase and king devine. I'm 57 years old, grew up in Bronxdale and ran with the Ames family. Kool herc started wearing the big hats after Mario.
we need a timetable for real. whatever the truth is we need to get to the bottom of it........
I've watching for years. I still have family all over there and seen it for myself. It hurts to write this. You did a good job... And them Spade leaders was my Leaders was my leaders.... Zulu King Amin
Yes indeed. We herd about Bronxdale. Early. They were definitely TREND SETTERS.
Mike Wayne keep bringing it brotha.
I’m older than this dude and I was rockin British Walkers, Clarks, Referees, Marshmallows, Playboys and all that too. I didn’t live in that Project. I heard of dudes like DJ Breakout, Herc, Bam, Mario, Pete DJ Jones, L Brothers, Disco Twins, Flash, Billl Blast, Coke La Rock, and others. Never heard of Phase until this RUclips channel. Some of the stuff he says is interesting. I’ll leave it at that.
Facts
Have you ever been to a carriage room party? Have you been to the lollipop jams? Did you ever go to the 3rd section jams? Just curious! What about Spanky Sinbad Tex Smokey Ronnie Tyrone RIP Dee?
@@kooldjphase Nope. I used to live on 170 st and Davidson but I moved out of the Bronx in 1970.
Love the true real lesson's
Get iZotope RX 8 to get rid of the wind noise in the audio
hmmm i heave read that Phase 2 the Grafitti writer was a dj 2 and he has his small Partys in 70/71/72 playing breaks and have his BBoy Crew.Herc was there and got it from him way before he was a dj😉
LOL!!!! yall are really bothered
FACT! Stop The Steal = Hip-Hop! #FBA #B1
.In the documenttry "we was all kings" by phase II the graffiti artist..Pete Dj Jones clearly states that Flowers was the first and then flash came later and was the fastest. Pete was not talking about just throwing records on quickly he was talking about alternating /merrygoround/quickmix..
Cutting the Groove part of the RECORD. THAT'S A FACT. HE. DJ PETE JONES.
Gil 180 BX 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🇵🇷💯🇵🇷💯that’s the the truth 💯🇵🇷
Huelebicho😂
Kool Herc didn't create the Hip Hop vibe or energy. What he did from what I have seen in these videos was create a turntable technique that propelled hip hop forward. The party vibe was all ready there and so was the desire to hear the breaks in the records. The B Boys are the real beginners of Hip Hop. Once the B Boys started waiting for the break of the song to do their dance, other people starting waiting for the break to see them dance. Once that got popular other people like MC's wanted to get involved. Kool Herc was important but he didn't create the culture, he just propelled it forward with a DJ trick that was imitated and perfected by other DJs.
AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMen !!!!!!!!
Not true herc copied everything 100% and took props for it
@@chincracker7735 all I know is what is presented to me. A lot of people give Kool Herc credit for coming up with the "Merry go Round" technique but I have not seen anyone else come forth and say they came up with the idea first. Maybe someone did but there's been no one to tell that story.
@@chincracker7735 also who ever came up with technique should be giving a lot of credit because this looping of the breaks helped hip hop grow to what it is today. Someone else might have come up with idea but the timing was essential at not letting hip hop fade away back in the 70's. The Merry go Round inspired others to be way more creative than just playing the records and it happened right at the birth of the B boy. Now the B Boys didn't have to wait on the break part of the song. I would love to hear some early recording of DJ's when they first started to experiment with this .
ruclips.net/video/umcGdPwrFd0/видео.html
Here is a TRUE history lesson of the origin of hip hop.
"Kool Herc went on Maury Polvich show to take a lie detector test' and the test results came back "YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER"
it is very clear hip hop and rap music is African Americans culture and music created and originated by African Americans not carribeans or kool herc. he moved to america at age 12 in 1967. around the time hip hop was bubbling up. you telling me he brought hip hop culture or music with him. Herc didn't create or originate nothing in hip hop including extending / juggling, looping break beats or the merry go round the made up name he created for it. he leaarned all of that from african american DJ's. he just wants to be in the history books. he used to tell the truth early on. He said he used to attend disco parties and the djs were playing break beats while the people there were breakin and yes that was the term used in 1970 for break dancing. being done before herc. he wasnt the first to do anything in hip hop including his merry go round technique. Disco DJ's at disco clubs and parties would extend the breakdown of records for as long as 20 minutes at times to get the kids to get funky or break dance. That is what break dance means to dance on the breakdowns, DJ's would loop the break from turntable to turntable while the kids got funky on the dance floor break dancing. soul train was started in the late 60s in chicago as traveling record hops by Don Cornelius, where he traveled around to different venues putting on his dance record hops. the show went live on tv in 1970 were young kids dance to the latest funk soul rnb music. the soul train line literally was the DJ playing extended beats of records while the soul train dancers would do the latest dance crazes like poppin pop lockin robot breakin and hundreds more dance crazes. that was watched by millions. this was the early foundation of hip hop which included james brown who used to dance to extended breakdowns of the beat for as long as 30 minutes in his shows. Some may say pigmeat markums here comes the judge, is not a hip hop record but it has every element and the black spades and others around those neighborhoods who are the real founders of pretty much every element of hip hop culture said that is who they were copying when they would battle snap (rap) to music at block parties and just on the street corners in the neighborhood. block parties, toasting, sound systems, rapping, breakin, graffiti, and every other element of hip hop was created and influenced here in America by African American's. Not the Caribbeans. U-roy and other Jamaican Artists and toasters said they got their music culture from our music and DJ's so how could they have originated it. in fact, ska, rocksteady, and reggae music was directly inspired by African American music and culture. Many of the early pioneers of ska and rock steady which became reggae music said they were copying and inspired by African American music, and culture. FBA (Foundational Black Americans) originated and created hip hop period. not kool herc or carribeans. Herc did not create the extended breakbeat. So that is out. he didnt create the merry go round technique, he just put a name to what he was copying. African Americans created most of the worlds most popular music genras and subcultures. that is a fact. so stop with the ambiguity and if you are trying to truly get to the truth, then tell the truth and stop leaving it open for interpretation. African Americans created hip hop and rap period. Rap literally goes all the way back to slavery in the usa. kool herc and other carribeans here contributed and participated like the rest of the early pioneers. but they didnt start nothing accept maybe grandmaster flash with some of his techinlogical inventions and theories around turntabalism, but that is not the creation of turntabalism, deejaying or hip hop, but an elevation. a contribution of one element of the art form.
if Jamaicans were listening to African Americans DJ's (Deejays) and were inspired to copy it, they couldn't have done it first, thus they didn't create it. dancehall which started in the late 70s was a speed up more rhythmic reggae inspired music form which was inspired by ska, which was literally inspired by African American music and DJs. see how the ball goes around. you people at this point ( And I'm talking to some of the people in your comments and just in general about these debates and responding to some of the statements you made in your videos), are down right disrespecting African Americans and their long and arduous creation of the culture. let me again explain it to yah, in my fake Jamaican accent. i love my Jamaica seestas and brudas but this gotta stop.
The rhythmic rhyming of vocals of African American toasting (Jive Talking) influenced the development of toasting in Jamaica and development of the dancehall style
In the late 1950s deejay toasting (In Jamaica) was developed by Count Matchuki. He conceived the idea from listening to disc jockeys on American radio stations. He would do African American jive over the music while selecting and playing R&B music. Deejays like Count Machuki working for producers would play the latest hits on traveling sound systems (African American inspired mobile Dj systems) at parties and add their toasts or vocals to the music. These toasts consisted of comedy, boastful commentaries, half-sung rhymes, rhythmic chants, squeals, screams and rhymed storytelling, which was inspired by African American minstral shows and stage shows (Of course they added their own flare making it their own style) but that's my point. Creativity comes from inspiration. They were inspired by African American Deejaying and Music Culture but they then made it their own. That's like how everything else is created
Later in the 1960s toasting deejays included U-Roy and Dennis Alcapone, the latter known for mixing gangster talk with humor in his toasting. In the early 1970s, toasting deejays included I-Roy (his nickname is in homage to U-Roy) and Dillinger, the latter known for his humorous toasting style. In the early 1970s Big Youth became popular. In the late 1970s, Trinity followed and they all said they were inspired by and emulating African American music and culture with their own flair.
This all comes back around full circle to African American Culture and music. Not saying we created everything but out of shear necessity we created our own cultures and music, as well as many other American traditions. sometimes we get credit for it but in the broader scheme of things it is hidden from American society and thus hidden from the world as a form of deliberate oppression and deliberate cultural appropriation. This goes on a lot. We don't get the credit for a lot of our contributions to the world. and really it's by design. These historians know the truth about it but African Americans are discredited in place of other people.
This has to stop. Go read a book on the inventions and innovations that African Americans have contributed to the world and you will literally be shocked beyond belief.
how can you be the root of hip hop music when hip hop music is literally African American music. disco, r&b ,funk ,jazz, and anything else you wanna mix in there that we created. Herc already said it was alread bubbling up and he was inspired by other DJ's and what he was hearing and seeing. if he wasnt the first to juggle break beats, didnt create or the music that was inspiring it, he wasnt the first throwing parties in the park. wasnt the first throwing house partys, how could he have invented it. This is a stupid argument. he came over here and seen African Americans are lit. and got inspired like everyone else in the world. hes not the creator. one of the early pioneers yes. creator no.
Herc literally does not even know how to dj. Look at what he is doing in his video explaining the merry go round technique which is just beat juggling and looping or extending the beat. It literally does not match up to how cross fading works. He is a huge fraud and liar. That is why you see no video of him dj'ing and your telling me this guy created extended break beat juggling and looping and hip hop. This is blasphemy in its highest form and literally the text book definition of cultural appropriation, and it is being deliberately and blindly spread around the world, stealing the real credit from the real African American pioneers and creators.
Pete DJ Jones and DJ Flowers were some of the first to isolate the instrument break beat and extend and loop it, The get down. And that was influenced by James Brown shouting out get down and him dancing to the breakdowns and getting funky. That was the first DJ'S doing what Kool Herc named his merry go round technique. He didnt create it.
Rappers Delight literally copied that song by the Jubilaires' in this video Go Listen To Rappers Delight' it Sounds Just Like the jubilairs rapping in the 40s. They just changed the words' it is the same exact cadence' That cadence is the exact cadence and rapping flow of all hip hop in the 70s and 80s the foundation of hip hop' the black spades the true founders of hip hop culture said they were mimicking them and Pigmeat Markum during their snap battles which is basically battle rapping or cracking on each other over a beat and sometimes without a beat' So No! Kool Herc or Caribbeans did not create or inspire hip hop. It was actually the other way around. African American culture and music inspired Carribean culture. Was he and other Caribbeans early contributors and pioneers, yes. They contributed, but founding fathers no.
Hip Hop is elements that are mixed. Who is to say you guys in Bronxdale started Hip Hop??
None of the elements are mixed with rican culture, tho
BX Dale was definitely a force back then ....... BUT 8 yrs old wearing British Walkers ? Salute to the fallen Winston Cowboy Steryl Cookie Clemons BlackJack etc ......Salute Poochie Cleveland Curry Jose and Rob LiL Roy Kurt LiL Keith Blood Peter Williams kusar etc ......
Why is it so hard to believe we had British Walker's at 8? Lil Keith Small Paul Sporty Lester Lil Steve Champ RIP Troy etc all had them! I guess they didn't wear them either at that age? Do you know what Ripps look like? Hard to understand how we were because some of y'all still CANT be like us! Lmao 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
@@kooldjphase 8 years old 🤔🤣🤣
I see no reply about being 8 and wearing British Walker's lmao 🤣 I guess you didn't ask any of us who were wearing them or found out that yes we had them! Lmao 😂 My kid's had Jordan's and alot of other fly wear younger than that? I know this ain't Scottie from Monroe Because Scottie would definitely know better! Bronxdale home of the creation of Hip-hop!
Djphase .... What yr were you wearing dem kicks ?
@@swab813 started wearing Marshmellows Ripps Hush Puppies Desert boots Referees 69ers Suede Pro keds British Walker's and Playboys starting in 1969!
Is that little Boo older brother???
No one project can take the credit for Hip Hop . I saw little black kids Break Dancing in Harlem 1973 using cardboard boxes taped together. I didn’t see anybody spinning on their head in the Bronx at that time
@myronsmith2114.. we don't even try to take credit for all of hiphop..Bronxdale sparked the Culture called hiphop..and many different people from different places added to it
The original word was Disco Jams . We called it Jams because when people came though the door the first thing they said was “This Joint is Jammed Packed “ . I hate to hurt your feelings but that started in Philly . Gangster Rap started in Philly but Cali get the credit for it
@myronsmith2114... we never said we created the word!!... we sparked the Culture that became hiphop.. many different people from different places added to it... but as far as Philly... shout out salute to Philly..you should make your own videos to substatiate and show what your saying...because many of us probably never heard of what your saying...but again... we never said we created the word "JAM"...But however we did have the first jams in the bronx ny for the young african-american gangstas and fly girls
Hip Hop started with the music not no gangs and the Lockers influenced Break Dancing
I like what y’all doing. That’s alright!
The Incredible Bongo Band used to play in Bronxdale...Yeah okay. All credibility is shot just by that statement alone. A lot of people, who don't know, is eating this up.
soulknob ... what do you think of cool Clyde who said willie colon was in bronxdale/ Rosedale park?
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 I have no problem with that. That is highly believable. Your man said that he was the first one to have Apache. He tried to validate it by saying it was because the Incredible Bongo Band played there LOL. He says things that don't add up.
soulknob can I ask you a question?
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Of course you can brother.
@soulknob.. what if people like Willie Colon was around Rosedale park/Bronxdale playing music like bongo band?... what if Willie Colon brought members from the bongo band around Rosedale park/bronxdale? is it possible that willie colon was with bongo band?
1st division…and 8 years old? 😂
I was 8&9 with a gun in the Bronx, don't act like little kids wasn't about that life back in the day's
LoL
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What did he say about Peter Williams? Inaudible
At 8 years old he was rocking playboys?? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
These two guys are puerto rican
Well I'm still running with Kool Herc. I don't like how he views Puerto Ricans anyway (DJ Phase). You can tell he don't really like us like that. Reminds me of Black Americans down south and in the mid west. Don't really care for them either.
Peace. This video looks like the conga rhythms played in the park by Puerto Ricans had some influence on those early breaks. All the lies that PR’s had no influence is shattered by this video. All the congas and drums combined together was the foundation for the Breaks. It’s all good to give credit where it’s due. Peace. Shoutout Willie Colon. My Godfather played piano for him in the late 60’s and early 70’s. Mark Dimond. Half FBA and half Cuban. Let’s no act like we wasn’t together creating and jamming out in the park and the recording studio. Peace
So we're you / Mario rocking all early heavy OG break's? We're you continuing the drum breaks?
Yes I am a drummer and have been collecting drum breaks since 1968
@@kooldjphase OK cool, what drum breaks were you collecting in 1968?
@@MrSP1200 if you are a BeatMaster you know we don't just give out name's! Come on man! Anytime you ready to go beat for beat I been ready! I am BeatMaster Ready!
@@kooldjphase Haha! How old were you in 68? You're claiming you were collecting breakbeats in 68? Do you mean you were a kid drummer & had records you played drums along to in 68?
@@MrSP1200 Yes I was a kid drummer and yes I was collecting records! Some kid's collected toy's I always loved music! Is there a problem with you believing that kid's are capable of doing great things? Seems like you just want to have something to say about MY version of the creation of Hip-hop! If you don't believe what I am saying don't watch my videos simple!
Reclaimatiom proclaimation.
It’s evident that the origin of HH is unclear. Many folks have their theories either it’s from BX, Queens, BK,the South or the Caribbean. HH has too many dimensions to its creation!!!
@sway9044... its very clear to us!! the culture of HIPHOP began when African American youth took over their environment and began to express themselves creatively thru the elements we now call HIPHOP... And those bronx youth was Mario with the Spades...doing their aggressive dance styles etc... from there it was many innovations... smokey and the smokatrons...... Kool Herc/coke la rock merry go round formed breakdance/b.boys...zulu nation added gm flash and Theodore added...etc
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 some of those elements were not created by FBA. So does that mean other groups help with the creation of HHC.
For examples, DJing was not a FBA creation but it’s a vital element within the culture.
Modern Graffiti is credited to Cornbread but he admits that graffiti was already being done in gangs.
As I stated many FBA have a different perspective from you!
It’s not clear!
@sway9044 .. its very clear to us!!.. people don't agree because they are approaching hiphop history incorrectly and then their ego won't allow them to admit the truth... I will give you an example... look at your comment .. you said "SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS WERE NOT CREATED BY FBA"....you said... "DJING WAS NOT A FBA CREATION" etc..now understand..hiphop is NOT about CREATING the elements... hiphop history has NOTHING to do with creating any of the elements...YES THOSE ELEMENTS EXISTED BEFORE HIPHOP ...those elements were created by whoever...it really doesn't matter who created each element...hiphop started when all of those elements came together AS ONE at the same time same place by youngsters... TEENAGERS AND PRE TEENS!!... So the question is... when and where did those elements first come together in unison... who were the teenagers dj'n emcee'n doing graffiti street dance and speaking street knowledge all at the same time?? that's the start of the Culture later called hiphop... the answer is Mario and the Spades!!
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 ppl select certain points in history to define their beliefs.
For example, many FBA bring up old videos from the 40s & 50s as evidence to reaffirm that HH was created by BA.
However, when each element is dissected in this case, DJing and the true origin is revealed BA doesn’t want to include that portion of history.
You can’t pick and choose the narrative for HH.
Discuss every detail, groups, historical events that led to this phenomenon.
The message is mixed amongst FBA. Some wholeheartedly believe that they created each element. Some FBA believes that it’ll there were other groups involved in the creation. Again it’s not clear!
The initial story was HH was originated in the BX by Herc.
As history is unfolded we hear stories that Queens and BK was also doing HH. Some FBA state Caribbean was also a part of HH. DJ’s such as King Charles.
Gang culture is another example and potential influence or creation of HH such as the Black Spades.
Ppl are so caught up in their emotions they skip various parts of historical context.
You stated that “history has nothing to do with creating the elements”.
Yet you are going back in history for your rebuttal 🤦🏽
To find the truth one must research the history.
I digress….
As I stated it’s not clear!!
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 again each element is vital.
If the theory is that gang culture started HHC in NYC that you will have to look at the gangs! As history shows that there were multiple gangs with both black and brown.
The civil rights movement was a crucial element such as the black panther party or the young lords.
If you look at the spoken words in the late 60s there were many poets that were black and brown.
It is not as clear as you believe!
You do know that there were brown members in the Spades although it was black majority members.
Are you going to discredit the brown minority members in Spades?
No one truly knows how HH was created! This is why you have many stories.
The most recent stories of its origin are from the South or the Caribbean.
Dj phase and divine are so wack in the hip hop culture that nobody acknowledges them.is divine and phase in krushgroove???or in any of the earlier hip hop movies no. Cause their sound was wack at best.
I've been watching your channel for the last few months. Great content. My people know Kool herc out here in NYC. Tariq Nasheed is doing a documentary on hip hop. I want to connect you to him. What's your email?