Are Tight Trucks worse than Loose Trucks?
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Tight trucks were the norm in the late 80s/early 90s. It was all about having a solid sounding setup. When mini-ramps were popular, most skaters did straight lines and the only people that carved with loose trucks were the old dudes who used to skate the bowls in the 70s.
That’s right, but the first guy I knew who could kickflip in ‘88 rode magnesium Gullwing trucks that rode loose as hell!
I started skating late nineties and always rode super tight trucks. Cranked down so much you couldn't turn by shifting your weight hardly at all. Almost like the beginning of the video. Getting back into skating now and I still like my trucks tighter than most but my old configuration was a bit excessively tight. xD
For the longest time I could only skate really tight trucks. I learned all my flip tricks on tight trucks. It felt like I had more control and pop. But I gradually became more of a medium tightness guy.
Same
The sheer joy on your face after each trick with medium tightness says it all. Great skating as always Ben!
And the gunshot snappy pops. 🔥👍
The first half of this video is about what it’s like to ride Krux K4s
My experience on them is the reason I can't buy k5s. I tried every bushing on the k4. It didn't make a difference lol
@@titancheat I feel ya there. I put on Indy Soft bushings and still got no turn out of them. then I went from the K4s to Aces so it was a pretty extreme difference 😂
I admire the contrast in opinions lol people hate krux so much but I prefer that tight and “square” feeling. I ride krux down lows with bones hard bushings and I reversed the kingpin so the nut is on top and I tighten them to the max (probably 5 threads showing). I also ride an 8.75 symmetrical rectangular board with 39-49mm wheels (42’s are the perfect size but I’m trying new things)
Makes sense because Johnny Giger rides KRUX and he just does flat ground so that explains what they’re good for. That is all.
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No right or wrong. Found that tight trucks are alot easier for beginners to manage, thereafter as our students get more comfortable and confident on the board, we would loosen it progressively.
as someone who only started skating within the last 2/3 years I can 100% agree! i started on tight trucks as i had no balance but have slowly loosened over time and now ride medium/loose
Been skating tight trucks for 25 years, only time I adjust them if i gain or lose weight 😂
unreasonably medium trucks next
😂 that’s what I ride
I prefer the term "supple."
Kind of interesting how truck preferences come
To be. I used to tighten my trucks down so tight that it would start to bend the washers. Then I learned to snowboard one winter. Then when I hopped on my skateboard for the first time the following spring, it felt so gross.
I slowly started riding it looser and looser. Now I’m a certified turny boi. I basically ride the nut flush with the kingpin with bones medium bushings. Loose, but no rattle. I’ve been riding it a hair tighter than normal recently though.
so if you think about what you found is your sweet spot . im pretty sure there is no time i ever stepped on someone elses board and felt like it was set the same as mine.i could be wrong though
Snowboards are much more versatile. One good all around twin might not be perfect for everything, but you can make it do everything from flatground tricks to freeriding big hills. To really do what you can make that one snowboard do, but on wheels, you would need freestyle, popsicle, surfskate, and downhill boards at a minimum.
That's one cool thing about learning more board sports. It makes your want to try out even more options.
For anyone else over 200 lbs like myself, hard or very hard bushings with medium-loose tightness is a nice balance. Still be able to turn but not get wheel bite on every trick.
Love the content Ben! Mini ramp part 4 please!?
Absolute facts!!! I've always skated my trucks medium-loose...back in the 80's(as a teenager) it was with medium hardness bushings. As I got older(and heavier) ...harder bushings were swapped in.
I broke a few kiingpins back when I rode tight trucks. If you're wheel doesn't bottom out on the deck (wheelbite) all the force levers through the truck. It's definitely not good for the bushings either.
Also, I recently noticed a surprising increase in speed after loosening half a turn - something to do with how the wheels undulate over the bumps... from a drop in and pump over the funbox, I was definitely getting higher up the opposite flatbank than before!
As far as Chris Cole is concerned, the closer to too tight the better. Apparently helps with locking in flip tricks and ankle stability. Obviously not so tight that you cant turn.
then try barely more still and then realize thats exactly what he was talking about.we all said the same thing in different ways
"Yeah! I can turn, I can pop, I can grind" 😂❤
All of ben’s bails on tight trucks look exactly like me when I miss my flip tricks.
I ride really tight trucks but have been loosening them up slowly. After watching this I’m going to loosen them even more.
Thanks Ben, I’ve learned so much about board setup from your vids 👍
i tried as loose as i could then tighten little by little and found out i was the wrong settings for months.it really does make a huge difference even in ways i cant explain.my board is faster now somehow. i had no idea that would happen
Always nice to verify what’s been going through our skateboard rabbit holes. I rocked Doh Doh reds for many years. Medium tightness, right in the middle.
Doh doh is ogee
A completely obedient setup ( tight trucks) is helpful to someone starting out without the right lower body muscle development. Early Chris Cole video footage shows what kinda "tic/tac", "powerslide", good posture skateboarding comes with efficient tight truck skateboarding.
Calf and lower leg exercise with style! 😂💪💪
At 12 years old started with tight for stability and learning, understandable. Later years when I got good went real loose. Not shaky but extra loose enough for people to notice riding the board. Now it's a happy medium-loose. Can cruise turns well and still balance them tricks.
Ben! Great to see a new vid as always :D
I used to skate really tight when I started and decided to loosen up so I would get a bit better at control of my board. Yesterday, I finally skated after a long time and I realized my pop was off because of the looseness. One or two quarter turns and it felt way more stable and loose enough. I was able to land the ollie to manual way cleaner and controlled.
i just realized we are all saying the same thing. that we all found our just right settings.started tight and went looser over time etc... just with different words
Those switch heels after you loosened back up were beautiful!
Weird how comments show user handles now rather than username
its annoying
Your videos is really enjoyable, love what you trying out how different setups feel like.
I have begin to skateboarding again but still riding my 20yr old GK trucks, im mainly a aggressive inlineskater, but now i try to boost up my board skills and set up the old bushings with new bushings in 92 or 96a rated bushings for the trucks, instead of tighing the heck down the old original it felt awfull, lol. So maybe i can find a setup i like to ride, since i dont like to loose trucks,but right now the old bushings don't feel responsive at all.
Keep posting videos 😊
you cant judge trucks that are brand new mainly because of bushings i find. to a lesser extent wheels as well. i like constantly tinkering with everything so im perfectly fine with it.
The super tight setting with the looks like what you want for a huge vert ramp. I like mine tightened to the point that I just get wheel bite and then between 1/4 and 1/2 turn tighter, so I avoid wheel bite.
I love super tight trucks..i think nyjah huston does the same and he gets tricks haha. The flips feel more precise and stable with tight trucks ..in my humble opinion.
All hail Ben 🙏🏻
When I broke my collar bone and was in a sling, I tightened my trucks up for stability.. but once I regained use of my arm, it was back to reasonably loose
I love tight tucks, they just make everything easier or more consistent for me.
When you do switch heel you most definitely use counter pressure on the tail and mid of the board, so i think some give in the trucks will def help pop and flip! Great video ben
In a flatground environment these are the potential negatives I experience.
Extremely tight:
Smaller margin for popping technique, poor handling and tic-tak landings.
Extremely loose: Smaller margin for foot placement, wheel bite and curved roll away.
(I work at an indoor skatepark and I’m often requested to test other peoples setups, I prefer slightly loose unless hillbombing, vert or large gaps)
I used to snap too many kingpins when i was skating tight trucks (Indy stage 8/9). Going to a nice medium is the way forward. I do like my front truck just a little looser than my back though. Gives a nice surfy feeling to Indy stage 11standards, not that they need help in that department. Great video, Ben 👊😁
even china made indys are still the best i have had. i still need to try them all to be sure but i just dont have the money for that. you cant really tell within the return window if any.that feels like a douche bag thing to do with skateboard stuff (to me anyhow)
@@gabriell9715 I'd say half a turn. It'll still be stable and not wobble 😁
Nollie Bigspin Flip, nollie 360 flip and nollie half cab heel 👏💕👍🤙
You make it look too easy. I can barely nollie any more
Depends on how fast you ride.
ive always skated really tight trucks. as i started it gave me stability and confidence, and i kinda got used to it. i just put extra effort into my tre flips. + its nice not to wiggle while ure riding rlly fast.
By far the most comical video you’ve done
congrats on 100k ben
I just saw a 15 year old clip of me skating today. It was an ollie over a tipped over oil barrel trash can, kickflip, push, then tail grab a 6 stair. I could tell I rode tight trucks cause I was tick tacking and looking all weird and swervy on the landing. I ride loose now but not on the floppy side. So much nicer in my honest opinion.
same thing except for the video part.i just remember keeping them pretty tight.really seems to all be the break in period for trucks we all love so much
14:15 almost classic Ali's "My hass is out" 😄
I really enjoy my Ace trucks with hard bushings ...i dont run em tight but its feels like a great hybrid combo
Man i have really enjoyed really loose trucks for the tight easy carves, but this may be what I'm missing on my flip tricks(of which i have none)
I keep thinking the balance will come, and i should just get used to it, but maybe I'll go a little tighter and see if that helps. Thanks again Ben! Edit, this probably should go on the loose trucks video, but I watched both before I decided
Remarkable difference in the way you skated and the way the tricks looked when you readjusted!
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Ben's like a ripping skate scientist!!!!!!!!!! keep up the good work G.
I like turning too! everyone I skate with has tight trucks, but coming from snowboarding it just feels so unnatural. Just hearing you say "I like turning" made me realise to stick to my guns :D
i spent my first few years of skating with ultra-tight trucks. every turn was a tick-tack and i broke a few kingpins a year. the only upside was 5050's on rails without needing to pinch. literally the only upside(which sounds strange in retrospect). i no longer skate but this made me remember something from my early teens, cheers
Every set up in my quiver has wildly different truck tightness, wheel hardness, etc etc. As Ben has pointed out before, this does not help with trick progression. At the same time, the variety keeps things interesting. Maybe one day I'll solve the puzzle but I kinda hope i don't. Thanks for all the great content, i love this channel.
Trick progression is overrated.
I agree with the homies above. I wanna have fun on my board doing specific things. I just built a 9" boat with loose aces for slappies. It does not like to flip, but if I wanted to do that I'd ride my 7.75.
@@thepancakemann...are you me? We have the same set-ups! 😂
i was the kid that spent more time setting up slot car tracks etc... then playing with them. the world needs us.
Honestly ben you should learn tic tac’s and pivot turns.(it’s really useful to have in your wheelhouse so you can improve your skateboarding even better than it already is.)
thats funny
i think this is how i set up my board years ago when I was a beginner. i was just practicing how to ollie and the tighter set up made it easier to have a sturdy pop
we all seem to agree .it must be true.then they eventually end up set perfect
The best thing I noticed about Ben's flatground tricks with super tight trucks is at 4:25 the board actually "says" the words "kick-flip"...check it out!!!
your Nollie tre was nice! 👌
Loose trucks _for me_ just feel right. Not like Daewon loose, reasonable loose. Idk how anyone skates tight trucks but more power to you. Skateboarding is so subjective and so many variables depend on so many factors you really do just need to try all the settings and load outs until something clicks.
if I bend down for a trick with loose trucks I lose my balance lol
do you not get wheelbite?
@@fenderman1984 you kinda learn to mitigate it over time. I’m 185 and ride 54mm conical fulls with no risers and while it does happen sometimes you kinda adapt and learn to land with your weight centered more.
@@toast2325 no
Definitely like medium on my trucks hate them when super loose and hate them when super tight.
I like tight-ish medium with some harder bushings, the firmness just feels right and I can still carve if I set my body weight into it
i swapped my inverted indie bushings to hard from medium after your video. Feel WAY better, but to me the inverted indies are way too loose out of the box with the red bushings.
Tight trucks are the way, I used to ride Daewon level trucks but eventually started going tighter and tighter. Just less room for error and less to think about. But as a side note loose trucks force you to understand your balance points really well it gives you a sense of where to land and is prolly the best way to learn board and landing control.
Over tightened ventures 😂 has to be loose for me, all about that loose surfy style for me although I recently tightened them so that the kin pin thread is just about showing as I’m skating more transition right now.
I used to teach skate lessons and the kids would always have tight trucks. I would advise them that it’s bad especially cause they only weigh 50 pounds, THEY COULDN’T TURN! Then they would get on my board and say “wow, you’re board is fun, it’s weaves around all over the place”
🤦♂ , it’s supposed to do that. You’re pretending to surf, you’re not pretending to stand on a coffee table.
I used to bomb hills alot when I was a kid. I got used to just leaving them tight. However as years past I eventually have been ridong medium tight with the back on 1/2 turn tighter
Hi Ben! I couldn’t help noticing, but the thumbnail caught my eye! How are you liking the new spitfire F4 lock in fulls? Review incoming? :)
I'll do it the opposite way : i have kind of low indies and a long 8.8, wasn't feeling that good gri.ding
So i tried indy bushings with cupped washer on thunders on that board with risers (board really long): better but not turny enough
From what i understood harder is better than looser as long as you turn enough so... i'll try flat roadside thinner washers tomorow
Thanks for your point of view !
10:49 “i really like turning” - Dad
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Thunders are a game changer. But I just picked up a few other trucks. Indys, Ventures, and Destructos.
The Destructos look like they have a similar geometry to Indy's and I dont understand why they get bad press.
In our day, we honestly didnt care what we rode on street. I think I rode Ventures and Destructos without even stressing on the brand. Today, I literally have board madness.
If you're heavier, I recommend an Almost deck. It lasted me a long time.
I think having two different setups isn't a bad idea but having a consistent set up makes more sense. If you skate bowls more you're probably going with a slightly higher truck,not venture los.
But today kids are experimenting. And, it's exciting to watch. I've seen insane skating on giant soft wheels by groms.
Hmmm....maybe I should shut up and sk8
Ben teasing the lock-in fulls on the thumbnail 🤨
My brother liked his trucks as tight as possible. I never understood it
It’s a good day when you wake up and see there is a new Ben Degros video!
Let’s talk about those April boards, mine is almost done, too😁
I really like the mellow tail, had to adjust to it for one session though. I also like the fuller nose (it‘s not full shaped) and the tail being more on the tapered side. I also noticed that my trucks were way to loose on the 14“ wheelbase, so I tightened them. Felt kinda small overall at first but my tech tricks were a lot easier compared to 8.38“ full 14.25“ WB
Can anyone compare them to primitive boards?
When I was younger I used to ride super tight trucks, but when I started skating again, i tried to ride my new trucks (Indies) as they come..
Took a while to adjust to it, or in other words, i had to learn skating from scratch again. 😅
But it began to feel way smoother when you can turn easily and don´t have to tictac all over the place.
It also improved my board control by a lot..
I mean, I´m still a pretty bad skater, with a very flat learning curve, so it takes forever to learn new tricks, especially the "advanced" stuff like 360 Flips, Varial Heels and so on which, unfortunately i haven´t learned earlier.
But I think, learning new tricks is way harder anyway when you get older, so kids, learn your tricks when you are as young as possible! 😄
im relearning way faster than the first time through i noticed.that could be because of the parks avaiable but i didnt forget everything and that helps too.like how to pump for example.
Ben - best heelflipper out there.
i was just wondering this so i loosened my kids trucks to see if he liked it better and when i was riding it i noticed i thought it felt great, until i tried to land some flat tricks and couldnt keep my balance. but i think im going to try to get used to it
Do a video about tight/loose trucks and bushings regarding round rails
I the last pair of trucks I had needed to be retired because the kingpin nut actually broke through the washer and not only exploded my bushing but it also got the nut stuck no matter what I did.
I’m 235lbs. I have to ride bones hard bushings and crank them down like you did here. I’d even go for independent super hard bushings but the bones don’t chip as easy.
Check out Riptide or Venom bushings. They’re mostly for downhill/longboarding but they have some that will match the bushings that come with your trucks. Their version of 95a hardness is like solid concrete so you’ll find what you’re looking for.
i have never chipped a bushing. i have split them though
I find pressure flip variations easier on tight trucks too. Can spring load them.
that makes sense
I skate pretty tight trucks (not this tight but like mid tight) and it works perfect for me. I mostly skate transition and bomb hills. No speed wobbles
I've always liked my trucks moderately tight, much easier to ride and tricks look a lot cleaner on tighter trucks imo. I can't skate stock bushings on any trucks, always need to get harder ones (im 180lbs), like 94 to 98a.
Let’s get to the real news. How do bones bushings effect different trucks heights and kingpin placement. Plus other after market bushings added to trucks.
You actually looked really good riding that "rolling crime scene". It's wrong to put a beginner on a board that wont turn to come back under them when they lean.They have to learn all that.
It's fine to have tighter trucks if you know what you're doing already. Beginners need to have looser trucks because that's how you learn to balance. If you push balancing onto your trucks, you're not going to learn and your body won't get used to it. Also, you can always improve with loose trucks to get better control but you can't really do anything with very tight trucks since you're sacrificing mobility.
Looks like you skated better with the tight trucks.
Do a video with 53/54mm wheels with high trucks and 52/51mm with low trucks
Test skating with a helmet and/ or other safety stuff like pads, no one has ever reviewed that! Would like to hear your thoughts on this matter Ben!
Loose trucks is what I prefer for street and transition skating. My freestyle setup is super tight tho
Ben, what are you thoughts on shock pads? Should a slappy skater be using shock pads? please review! Also, great skating as always, super enjoyable to watch🤠
Anyone should rock em, they cut down vibration transference and decreases stress on your joints, slappys aren't really any dfferent with or without them. Ive been skating 39 years.
i agree with the other guy
tight truck freestyle era when
As someone that has a vert setup that’s tight. And a street board that’s loose. Tight trucks are almost mandatory if you don’t want to eat shit skating vert. Just ask your local vert skater if his trucks are tight
It's so funny each time you think you will hate something you still do tricks just as well or not better than your regular set up lol
can you please review Silver Trucks? Nyah, Josh Kalis, Prod skated them in the day, and I bought a pair for $30. Felt like a Venture and a Thunder combined. Would love to hear ur thoughts
I run hard bushings but i don't tighten em, like 1/2 a turn past flush. I've def stood on peoples boards with tight trucks, it's terrible and so is loose.
What size board and trucks are you on these Ben?
Now do squeaky trucks vs. quiet trucks.
I used to skate with them so tight they would turn. Then broke 4 axles within a year. Now I ride as loose as the thunders will allow me
I always used a certain "venture " socket wrench lol skate tools never work good on them. I ride tight trucks with soft bushings and like it, im old as fxck lol 47. Way way back late 89 90 91 i rode loose trucks and would tighten my wheel bolts so it wouldnt really roll lol allways Ventures 5.2 hi or low all g....stay free ✌🏻
Can u make a video on independent titanium vs grind king disruptor
Ben is that a 8.25 april? I truly believe that prod had something to do with that board shape. I heard it came from primitive, and basically feels like it was made for venture highs, the super long kicks are amazing. I’m on my 10th deck of this shape. It’s a heavy duty board for 14”WB.
If that’s not the 8.25 then nvm 😂
People who start on tighter trucks tend to slowly loosen them as they progress. People who start on looser trucks don’t tend to tighten their trucks as they progress.
Hey Ben, any idea on ways to make my trucks heavier without using bigger wheels?
I once met a guy that had his bolts loose but trucks super tight... and he was actually super fucking good
This is just as crazy as the loose trucks, but maybe not as bad. Only time I would recommend right truck, but not extreme, would be for beginners already struggling with balance.
all skaters constantly struggle with balance. the degree of struggle varies by talent and exp. thats why we are always flailing our arms around and what not
Throws down.."aah!"
Jah would be proud
This is how Nyjah skates
i used to ride extra loose trucks but thought that it probably doesn't make sense to have them THAT loose, so i was tightening them a little every session and currently i have them a little more on the tight side and i feel like it's just easier to do tricks? probly because i do my tricks barely hanging on the board tho🤣 but i was doing them even on the extra loose trucks, i have no idea how now. i genuinely wonder how i was doing that LOL. when someone landed me their extra loose board few days ago, i couldn't even do a proper kickflip. so weird. but he could easily do all his tricks on mine so i feel like everyone could benefit from tightening their trucks even a little. it's just easier imo
Is that April deck their 8.25"? I LOVE THE APRIL 8.25"!! The long mellow tail makes tech tricks so much more consistent for me. 6.8" long tail with a 14" WB and 5.6" ventures is my all time favorite combo. Can you make a video talking about the April 8.25" tail? I also found the Primitive made in USA 8.25" deck to be almost the exact same shape but their tail has very slightly more kick up.
I love my primitive 8.25
He's skating better with the right trucks, bc he's trying not to but he still be landing stuff😂😂😂