Doll House fire behavior, Birmingham Fire and Rescue
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Birmingham Fire and Rescue LT. Oj Kolodziej discusses the importance of reading smoke, door control, understanding flow path.
The design of the doll house is from the Stop Believing Start Knowing group, Go and check them out. The design has been changed a little from what the plans call for. Lt. Brannon Vernon, FF Luke Ahl, FF Drew Gargus along with myself changed the inner door. And had realistic results.I would like to thank Ed Linsey for recording our training.
This is the fire department in my hometown (Birmingham, AL) that made this video. Growing up, all of my interactions with these gentlemen were professional and very knowledgeable. I’m not surprised they made a presentation of this caliber. Excellent work, and I hope that many new firefighters learn from this video and the model used in it.
No textbook ever existed on fire behavior; it had to be learned death-by-death and the ink was the blood of firefighters.
True.
Same with the fire code and civilian deaths. If its part of the code its probably because it killed someone.
@@AZombieWizard SOP & SOG are usually created because of an incident.
True. But we also do experiments to enhance our understanding of fire behavior and we hope it will help prevent some.of those seaths.
Excellent program. I know most people who see things happening will learn it and retain the information. These guys did a great job on this presentation. Definitely got your money’s worth on this. The firefighters are very knowledgeable and up to date with the current training.
great video I admire all the fireman I can't thank them enough for what they do for the community
This is a great video. Our house caught on fire in one room while we were at work. It was within minutes of a flashover and really searching for air. The first responders had a very tough task because they knew introducing air in the wrong places would be disaster. They placed three separate men at three entryways and did exactly what they needed to do. There was a big flashover once they entered the house, but they put the fire out and no one was injured. Sure our interior had to be totally rebuilt, but these guys saved our house. Much respect and much appreciation for what you guys do.
Great presentation and thank you for sharing.
LT: "The hardest thing about using the box here is getting the fire going."
ME: "Lighter fluid..."
Today, after hours on RUclips seeing random video's ... I've finally learnt something with this one, now I'll go to bed.
that was one of the most interesting video about fire behavior i have seen. well done
Wow that was very Educational Thanks for posting this
each room only flashed once. a flashover is the sudden and sustained transition from a developing fire to a fully developed fire. so the supposed flashes that occur after that when the fire had died down, and then got going again with the introduction of air, is a backdraught. a backdraught is a well developed fire that is starved of oxygen. when oxygen is reintroduced it deflagrates as it is still at auto ignition temperature
Hello I am a Training officer at my local Fire Dept. I'd like to be able to use a prop like this for our up coming fire academy. Is it possible to get the plans for this? It would be great to get the rookies out of the classroom for a better understanding.
PERFECT! Love it! Good luck :)
www.stopbelievingstartknowing.com/assets/sbsk-website-dollhouse-plans2.pdf
Fantastic demo.
The culture in the UK is pretty much the polar opposite iof the US - it's all about surpression and very very few people advocate any kind of ventelation at all untill after the fire.
In reality of corse it can be useful, but how it behaves and the fireground must be understood extremely well I think for tit to be safe.
Fantastic video that PROVES that vertical ventilation does not work. Find what's burning and put water on it and stop playing with it.
I don't know, tacvent has come in quite a lot recently and is now used a fair bit.
yep, just did my BA requal the other week and I percieved a change. Hard to know for sure though because as retained you tend to get excluded from any conversation untill their is a core brief update. Least that's been my experience.
So many lives would be saved if Americans would build concrete and brick homes instead of literal pyres. I'd be scared shitless to live in such house. It's vulnerable to fire, thermites, tornados, just about anything.
Learning alot from the 16$ dollhouse! Want to express my thanks to all
I've seen a lot of these demonstrations at different departments I believe this is the genuine article
man what an awesome demonstration! was in the fire service for over 9 years and have never seen a demonstration quite this unique! Thanks for sharing. :)
Thankyou for your service 💜
It got real, boss!! LOL
good job. I learned on this training.
Cool how smoke goes through certain vents and how it puffs.
Where can I find the build plans for the house at
Jeff give me your email, I can send it to you.
Jeff Davis was
coyboy82@hotmail.com
Would you mind to send me the architectural drawings too please.
ggaldamest18@gmail.com
Thks!!
Oj Kolodziej if It's not to much trouble could you send the plans to me at bcamp5109@gmail.com
Go find that fire room on your 360. Vent horizontally pull a line to the door. Pull a secondary to the vent point of the fire room. Cool from a safe distance while primary line makes entry Make the fire walk backwards from the ability to flash.
Nice Job ! Stay safe guys.
Regards from Texas, 29 years service. Retired for three months and my wife is trying to find me a job!
Thankyou for your service! 💜
Where is teachers breathing aparatus? Too much issues in a short time.
So when I set a house fire I should leave a window open?
Cameron Morrow you shouldn't be setting fires at all unless your planning on going to jail, unless you mean by accident
X Racer that was the joke lmao
Cameron Morrow lmao
Camera keeps watching the ambulance ha ha ha making my ADD go wild
I'm a volunteer in Levittown PA. J Kolodziej
10, 11,12, 13,14??
Does anyone have any questions? um yeah is it too late to change jobs lol
Sheesh. Almost like the fire is the one saying "Any questions?"
Where can I find the build plans for the house? This is one of the best I have ever seen in 30 years.
Hey guys, nice demonstration. Yall try McDonald's cup holders to start your fires. You will not believe how fast they will ignite.
"Now ya see here, if I open this door up......."
*opens door and waits to see what happens*
"Boom there! Ya see, that just happened *states obvious*"
Would have been more impressive if he called what was going to happen before it did. Still cool to watch a doll house get engulfed in flames.
ASMR Bar Think he was hoping to get more of the others involved as they were very quiet. I'd say he was an effective teacher and showed he knew plenty of information anyway.
He is there to teach, not impress.
Volunteer firefighter here. I learned alot, Watching the video and reading comments below. thank you. Our last fire here in my community of 200 was over 15 years ago that ended with the death of the occupant. Our crew at the time didn't have formal training. We now have 10 volunteers and train under the instruction of Career Firefighters who fly over to us to train. Once again, thank you.
If only it would still cost 16 bucks with today's lumber prices
THANK YOU Everyone should take note of your demo...WELL DONE even for the public !!
Thank you, I'm currently working on a story involving a house fire and this was really helpful
This is the coolest thing ever
Do you have the build plan for it? Also how long do these things last if I do the same thing in the video?
“Look what happened there was a double flashover” well I wish I could have seen but the stupid Infa red camera was in the way lol thanks
Julia Chernov ikr. One of the best parts of the video blocked by the flir.
I'd be the guy there that would be "can we just let it burn?"
Same 😂
It's hard to demonstrate a true backdraft in a small box like that. I've seen it done in a full size sea train container. The flashovers were impressive. It is a shame they lost so many veterans to save money.
fotmasta could you explain exactly what happened in Birmingham
@@tvjjerome I re-read what I wrote and should have worded it differently. The model definitely fits all the requirements to be a backdraft. On a larger scale the result is more explosive. There was a supermarket backdraft I'm thinking of that was almost like a bomb going off. That's what I muddled in my original comment.
fotmasta no I meant with the veterans
@@tvjjerome In the video he mentions after the buyout of a majority of veteran firefighters, the newer less experienced FFs didn't have the benefit of the experienced vets explaining things on the job. The rookies lacked the sort of apprenticeship you get when working with the old timers.
The first time a firefighter accidentally put out a fire...
That OSB particle board is nothing but fire accelerant, this $16 box proves it. How is this CODE acceptable? when I was working in construction during the winter; we could always get a fire going fast with some OSB and some Contractors Grade adhesive for flooring. I can only imagine how fast the fire would spread adding in some furniture , carpet, and plastic window blinds.
This video Proves that Vertical Ventilation Does Not Work.
Roof venting Never works as intended for two reasons. 1. A building is Not a chimney and won't work like one. Between the hole and the first floor you have many dampers such as ceilings, floors and doors. 2. The main reason is this. The burning material in the attic will continuously generate energy Especially after you have cut a hole and introduced fresh air into it. As the flames go out the hole they are not causing a draft throughout the structure. The burning material is replacing everything that is escaping. Notice here, with the hole in the roof, smoke and flame are Still coming out the door and windows. If roof venting worked, air should be sucked in. Solution? Patiently find what is burning and put water on it. If it gets hot along the way, cool the ceiling with a spray of water. K.I.S.S.
11:00 "What happens at the gable when the roof is open?" If the roof hole is letting heat out, air should be sucked in at the gable. 11:55 If the fire is raging out of the gable and the roof hole, when he opened the window, air should have been sucked IN, not heat and smoke belching out. The roof hole improved nothing. 12:15 Thank you for proving my point. Open the roof and the smoke STILL pours out the window. Notice when he opens the window he says nothing because he is Disproving the reason for vertical ventilation and his tongue is tied. Listen to what he is saying and proving. NOTHING. He's totally confused. Think for yourself, don't just believe what you hear from a so called Expert. PUT WATER ON WHAT'S BURNING!!!
JB91710 I think the point of this demonstration was to show how ventilation effects the flow path of fire. He did a poor job of alliterating what was supposed to be happening. The point of ventilation, to my understanding from my fire classes, is to release all the flammable gasses and heat to make a much more workable condition for firefighters to work in when they are inside, and to also prevent effects of a flashover (note: If you are already seeing signs of rollover, you should not ventilate as to prevent risk of introducing O2 to the stoichometric ratio of gasses inside the room), and finally to slow down the process of the fire spreading to other rooms (done by controlling the windows for horizontal ventilation. The point of origin where the fire started went to the next room where the window was open (bottom left to right). At that point there is already smoke building up in the room where the fire started (bottom left), aswell as the other rooms up top. At that point you should start vertical ventilation to release flammable gasses up and out of the building without exposing it to heat, and this works because the flame is downstairs is nowhere near the ventilation hole, and fire goes to the path of least resistance, and that's through the window that is already open. And while doing that you should already be trying to suppress the fire in the room where the window is already open (bottom right). This should be done so that the fire has a harder time spreading upstairs towards the other two rooms (hoping the doors are closed to ensure a physical barrier between the fire and the fuel). If the top floors are already engulfed in flames, it would be pointless to do vertical ventilation above a room that is already on fire, as you would be adding oxygen to the mix. At this point, you would be considering other types of ventilations or attack/defense.
JB91710 your argument is invalid he said you don't vert vent till after suppression and immediately after suppression the whole objective when vertical ventilating is the planned systematic removal of hot toxic gases and replace with fresh air. You are correct if you just vent with no water your screwed your going to save the mail box that's it.
Jacob What is the point of vertically venting After the flames and heat have Stopped being produced? On every video comment they are saying the reason for vertical venting is to release the heat from below so it is safer for the fire fighters to fight the fire.
You want to vent the windows in the fire rooms ONLY and extinguish the room from the outside and then go in when it is safer for everybody. Done properly, the water will go in and the heat, smoke and humidity will go out the top of the window. If you are inside and find a burning room, you want the heat, smoke and humidity taking a direct route out the window. If you are sure of the fires location and the window is open, you can PPV the front door and help to push it out.
Even if you get a flow from the lower levels through a hole in the ceiling and out the roof, you have no control over that flow. There is only One exit. With windows, you Can control the direction of the hot gasses by which windows you open. From the fire location Directly out of the house not through it.
The VAST majority of videos show indiscriminate VV with no coordination at all. They do it for the excitement of it not for its value. Don't believe it works because someone told you it works. Don't LOOK at the signs and USE them to convince yourself its working. Make the signs convince YOU that they at a result of VV.
Make instructors Prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it works. Because a fire fighter is convinced VV works, when something changes inside a house they attribute that to VV when it could have been a window opening. It cleared up a little! It Must be from VV! It Works!
JB91710 I see your point sir but in some applications it is necessary and works the way it is suppose to but I will do more research to prove you point further. I think it is wonderful learning new tactics and methods and thank you for the information I have wonky been on the fire dept 11 years still got slot of learning to do
Jacob Thank you but there is no need to call me sir. Be real careful with researching a solution to a problem. Don't think that because information comes from an instructor, Professional or so called expert, that it is right. Have confidence in your own ability to use common sense and logic to find an answer. The most important thing Anybody should do in their lives is to Think For Yourself!
How many comments from Civilians have you read that said, Where's the water? Why is it taking so long to put water on it? They are RIGHT! Todays fire service has made FFing so complicated that they save water application for Last instead of first or second. They Vertically Vent everything whether it could use it or not, if it worked! They walk right past visible burning material to go inside to fight the fire from the inside out. When they get in there, they cant find it or cant extinguish it so they come back outside but by then the fire is bigger and has progressed deeper into the house and usually the attic..
Interesting but can't help wondering if this is sending out mixed messages, at least from looking at the comments. The key message I got from this video is to create a vertical vent hole, and allow just enough air into the building from the lower levels to facilitate vertical venting of gases, but not quite enough to feed the fire.
Now my chime card was taken that I have an Inverness hotel I am staying was on that card. I bet Inverness McDonald’s exploited me.
Communication? Is this an open house for 26 year olds? What the fuck man, some of the chatter makes me cringe at who's gonna be the next generation.
With this kind of prop, you could probably demonstrate pushing fire as well if you put a good fog into one of those vents.
Buyouts... gotta love the cheap ass local governments willingness to cut costs while endangering the lives of civilians and firefighters
Not the uk
Very interesting training. I watched it through Looks like the spoilt child has had a tantrum and burnt her dolls house down lol
I am a firefighter in sweden and ill tell u these dudes even teach us things we could Do but i got one question for u guys so there is a apartment fire who Do u save first ? The dude on the last floor or the dude on the first floor ? And the fire is worse on the last floor
There goes Ken and Barbies dream home up in smoke.
Great demonstration! He asks what's our enemy? He says air, I say "OSB wood and engineered trusses" are our enemy.
Very Nice démonstration. Thank You from France Lyon
Really good video guys! Firefighter from North Carolina
I’m 13 and I’m about to be 14. I’m able to join the fire department at 14 but they are letting me join at 13. This was cool. I want to do this.
What is wood type ?
OUTSTANDING!! I'm not a firefighter, but I did go away learning a lot. If more if these type of videos we made, and the public watched them all the way thru, even many times and learn, they will better understand why firefighters do things at a fire that come of looking to many of us like they are jacking around doing nothing or in many eyes, doing something "wrong" tactics wise. Would cut down on the nasty comments overall both from the public and firefighters jumping on the public's comments calling them stupid names and other shit.
So I’m late to this but...
how do you firefighters not cry from the smoke? Like when I’m camping I can’t even. And these guys just stared into the smoke coughing a little.
Ok I'm a kid but I'm gonna guess the venturia effect is it keeps flames from your head when
so there using that kind of wood to build houses now days. thats y the houses are burning faster. cheap wood.
Regina Bundy umm ya 1/2 OSB board has been used to sheet roofs do walls and floors for years its not cheap materials it was just cheap because they probaly bought one 4×8 sheet maybe two 1/2 OSB holds up better and its wood, wood burns great end of story as a volunteer fireman and a carpenter i would know
well I don't know about using the word "cheap" as opposed to "accelerant laden". Particle board is held together with a very flammable epoxy type glue, that when burned emits phosgene gas, and other petro-chemical fumes that can spontaneously combust when smoldering, OR accelerates the combustion of other burning materials. In addition to that, the nature of the board that makes it "particle" is that it is made up of chips of wood. So basically, it is a sheet chemical laden kindling! I've seen house frames be totally wrapped in this stuff. Add on other plastic- petro product insulating wraps and foam type boards, and you have an inferno just waiting to happen. How these types of buling materials get the ok from a Fire Marshal/ Building Code Enforcement is beyond me. And people are oblivious to these building materials because all they know is the finished product, and the price tag offered by the seller. Bottom Line...the buyers are buying a "DRY GAS CAN"...
Samuel Shonhart i lay floors for a living the particle board is inferior to plywood 100% its cheaper and not as strong. Always dread floors that are osb basically junk. Pour a cup of water on it and it swells up bad.
Your all superheroes but I wouldn't let you burn my dolls houses lol
Great video to show how venting WILL help the fire to progress. In Europe, things get done differently, like putting the fire out before it destroys the building. Also, you need a new driver for the ambulance. He had enough space to turn that darn thing around in one go.
Very Informative. As an apartment renter. I learned that if you can get out get out but try to close windows and doors behind you. This video proves it could save lives
Fire At 19 Buckingam Pl
Also tough crowd lol you should participate more in conversation guys
'do you know what happens if i do this? boom! this happens. what if i open the vertical door and close the other one? yea that' s right that happens. any questions? '
that's all i understood
Only thing that needs to change is use metal saw horse next time. Wonder how many have melted the plastic ones?
Why are fires worse in the winter I've heard that
I think every fire department should have these to train. Outstanding work. I always say air is the best fuel for a fire.
Is the double flash over scenario specific to multi-story structures or is it applicable to single story structures as well?
Hi would it be possible to know where i can get plans to build something like that Thanks
Wtf this is not west Midlands fire service Birmingham is in west Midlands UK
outstanding! im a lt at a volly co in northern nj, im going to show this at an upcoming drill night, its an awesome demo.
Demonstration of the fundamental difference between boys and girls.
Fire At 20 N Chestnut Rd
Did you use any kind of screws or wood nails if like to make one of these props for my department
That Vidal smoke looks smoke tooken from a video game xd
Great video. Glad the instructor saw it so well with his melon in the way.
excellent job, thank you for recording and sharing.
The instructor is bringing up a lot of questions, but I'm not hearing any answers for those questions. What caused the puffing smoke? I don't see that in my book.
With only one opening the fire is "gasping" for air. While the smoke is pushing out its trying to breath and pull in fresh air. hence the breaks in smoke stream and puffing smoke. Hope that helps.
It's like when you're filling your lawn mower with a gas container, and the little black cap isn't open. The gasoline is coming out in rhythmic splashes, because as the gas drains from the container its trying to suck air in to replace the gas
Fire At 44 Bernardino Dr
awesome video !
cool how smoke puffs and how it goes through the vents.
100th sub!
He asks, he answers.
Those are backdrafts not flashover/rollover
In academy now, very useful video.
that dollhouse needs some BBQ ribs on the 2nd floor
You have the exact same last name as me. Where you from?
Skip to 6:30 if you want to skip the explanation of the house
Someone explain what happens... In um... How do I say this, baby talk?
Without suppressing the fire first, and you just start knocking things open and leaving doors open the fire is gonna spread. Fire goes in the direction of oxygen. Eliminate the oxygen from the fire and you take the fire out.
check out our back draft / flash over video
Fire at 120 3rd
Wow great job
In this case would ves work on this house
look online I found the plans
This is very interesting. Great visual!
Nice Video
Where can I get the plans for the house?