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Time Moto / Time MX Electric Dirt Bike - Review and First Impressions

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  • Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024

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  • @jasontucker1679
    @jasontucker1679 2 года назад +22

    I bought one back in November and throttle broke not water proof gear box went in less than a month its back in the workshop from were i got it from and im still waiting....to be honest i dont think im goin to hold much trust in the bike when i get it back i thikn its just goin to keep fuckin up...mine a velimotor bye the way exact same bike under different name...and yes if your thinkin of byeing one or the other.....(DONT FUCKIN BOTHER)..

    • @yohvh
      @yohvh 2 года назад

      Shit it's not water proof?

    • @purpleether5405
      @purpleether5405 2 года назад +1

      hey did you sort out the issue? I've seen some people still riding these after months so it seems hit and miss.

    • @carver8567
      @carver8567 2 года назад +1

      I have replaced the throttles on these with Domino electric throttles that are IP65 waterproof rated and all electric without the potentiometer box. It's a $115 to upgrade the throttle

    • @tylerseabook9423
      @tylerseabook9423 Год назад

      It’s definitely water proof 🤦‍♂️

    • @tylerseabook9423
      @tylerseabook9423 Год назад

      @@yohvh it’s definitely waterproof

  • @lfcdavo90
    @lfcdavo90 Год назад +4

    A review without riding the bike makes no sense, yes the build quality isn't the best but then your not paying For a KTM or a Yamaha this bike is like half the cost and for what it is it does it well. This bikes a beast and to be honest each bike is individual one bike might have issues another Last a long time. I have countless of friends who have spent ridiculous amounts on repairs etc on their KTMs etc

  • @carver8567
    @carver8567 2 года назад +17

    After riding one of these for a full season and 130 miles last summer, I can say that you are right about the aesthetics of the welds, the chunky rear brake, and some cheap hardware. However, This thing has not failed me once out in the hills. It is dependable, light and flickable on the trails, and with some inexpensive upgrades (like all dirtbikes), is one of the funnest and cheapest ways to enjoy an ENTRY level electric bike. I believe in these and do upgrade them myself. So much so that I purchased 10 of them to start my own EV powersports business. Yes, spares are readily available. The problem is that people want these to be more than they are. They are a trail bike, an entry level EV bike, and a great way to hone your riding skill in quite without pissing off your neighbors. They have their flaws, but so do Surrons, Talarias, and every other EV bike.

    • @SRNAR8
      @SRNAR8 2 года назад +1

      comment above urs disagrees. his broke within a month.

    • @carver8567
      @carver8567 2 года назад +2

      @@SRNAR8 again, never said they were bulletproof. Everything can be made better. Surrons and Talarias included. People spend thousands upon thousands building those better. These are no different.

    • @SRNAR8
      @SRNAR8 2 года назад +2

      @@carver8567 Surrons and Talaria have way more aftermarket parts for upgrades. This one doesn't have nearly as much.

    • @carver8567
      @carver8567 2 года назад +2

      @@SRNAR8 You mean what exactly? Batteries and controllers? They're readily available if you know what you're doing. The battery upgrades for all of the Surrons were done in a shop in NJ before they were mainstream. I've upgraded the controller on my test Timemoto bike and it's got twice the juice of a stock one. And I didn't spend $3000 to do it. Suspension upgrades are available with springs and cartridges, rear shocks are upgradeable, and brakes from a KTM will bolt up as well as front forks, bars, and throttle, all can be bought and integrated. What exactly can't be purchased aftermarket for these?

    • @SRNAR8
      @SRNAR8 2 года назад +1

      @@carver8567 Can you upgrade your motor? No, so whats the point of upgrading controller if that motor can do max 20kw. People run 24kw+ on qs motors and some surron motors.

  • @MrWritingGuy
    @MrWritingGuy 2 года назад +7

    Who posts a half arsed guess without riding it. Really? The specs alone indicate that it's not a motocross bike. Shorter wheelbase and lower seat height is a plus for many, particularly newbs. Time will tell if these are a robust bike. They may be the ticket for the average trail rider. Quality is my major concern. Too early to tell. But it looks perfect for the majority. Who cares that the gears are 4 up? Not meant to compete on super-x tracks. Weak gearbox? Unproven guess at best. To be honest, how many can ride a mx bike pinned over quads(?) Not a reality(or want) for most. When posting an opinion, at least have a broader perspective.

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад

      thanks for taking the time to comment we actually revisited the story behind why we didnt SHOW you all a ride video on the bike
      skip to 7:45 in this video for more of an explanation ruclips.net/video/P97c3WdOZu8/видео.html
      also worth noting we have seen more then a few of these bikes come into our workshop with issues relating to drivetrain and construction so these are not bottomless claims

  • @teefbwoi9740
    @teefbwoi9740 2 года назад +7

    I think if you actually got on and rode the bike would beeen a different review altogether . I’ve had bikes all my life etc and this thing is an absolute beast . Yeah the welds are shit but the ride that this bike is capable off absolutely smokes it . And is not for the faint hearted at all mine 12 o’clocks all day long

  • @stevenash7476
    @stevenash7476 2 года назад +5

    if only you rode this bike its one hell of a fast thing and ive had jet skis ,firer blades, crossers. this is like a game changer

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад +2

      Thanks for the comment- Its great to hear everyone's opinions on the bike . How long have you owed it for ?

    • @user-yz2pj1ln9i
      @user-yz2pj1ln9i 5 месяцев назад

      Hi I’m wondering on buying this bike of alibaba, I know this video is two years old but I would like to ask if it’s still going ? Thanks a lot 🙏

  • @ThornyUke
    @ThornyUke 2 года назад +7

    I've been looking at these and you've confirmed a few things that I kinda thought might be the case, they're pit bike like build quality, short wheelbase, gives a sketchy ride and my thoughts on general reliability. Thanks for that review, save alot of people throwing good money after bad. Well done 👍

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад +3

      Thanks for the comment - we've seen a number of these bikes come in for repair and thought its only fair we do a realistic review on them

    • @HighSideHustler811
      @HighSideHustler811 2 года назад

      @@KiloVoltBikes you guys also feel it’s not reliable? Been wondering about that and with the freeride e and Alta.
      Those welds are absolutely savage, how hard is it too use a grinder and make the welds look somewhat not like a 7 year old kid doin it, obviously that’s not ideal whatsoever…. but if they don’t care to do that stuff , I’m sure there are so many other lil things with similar “quality “

  • @nitrorustler333
    @nitrorustler333 Год назад +1

    Man, I wanted to like this thing, and this is my first time watching your vids. As someone who has built DIY ebikes, and now DIY Emotos, you covered a LOT of topics, most people overlook. Great vid man. New sub

  • @jaketactic9136
    @jaketactic9136 2 года назад +6

    Finally the truth about these bikes. Constantly being promoted as something they are not.

    • @aliimanpour8038
      @aliimanpour8038 2 года назад +1

      I agree with you. But only the ones who understand these bikes will notice the quality. Great vid @kilovoltbikes

  • @drumdave5495
    @drumdave5495 2 года назад +3

    Thanks for the honest opinion. I could only find trackie/trainers riding these bikes and praising them to high heaven. Think you'd need to high to buy one!! the search continues...... gave you a sub and like for your no bull review

  • @mikeloeser6239
    @mikeloeser6239 2 года назад +3

    Interesting review. You should understand it's not a ktm high end mx bike. It is a Chinese pit bike that's electric. Right now there is nothing made by good mx manufacturers that are electric. Your only options are Talaria and surron. I have this bike and the surron. Haven't ridden the surron in months. Unless you change out the surron controller and battery, you will get dusted by the time and people are spending $2k for that upgrade. Top speed of the surron is 30mph if you don't weigh 50 lbs. As to quality - I had to get new forks for the surron after 6 months, new brakes and new handlebars. Forks are $1000 for anything decent. Seat is made for 10 year old girls. It's full on wedgies for an adult.. The time doesn't need any of that and costs the same. My 13 year old rides the surron and the bike is still too small for him. People spend money switching out tires on the surron as they aren't able to handle anything loose. The talaria runs wider rears, but only 1/2 inch wider. The surron is great to kind of avoid cops and maybe ride where the time would get you in trouble.
    I'd love to buy an Alta for $5k, that'd be a much better bike, but Alta is bankrupt and 5 year old used ones sell for $12k around here. Until Ktm, yamaha or Honda start selling electrics, time is your best option. It should of happened years ago. Till then we are stuck with Chinese bikes.
    Surron isn't the same category of bike as this and likely much more expensive with all the things needed to upgrade. I'd be happy to hear which electric dirt bike you think is better. However right now there isn't one.

  • @T-Sav
    @T-Sav 2 года назад +6

    Got 1 from alibaba imported 2800 took 3 months , no import tax - sold it straight away was not happy with it at all, looked massive - heavy - no spares easily available - clutch was a bit iffy- avoid these bikes !!!

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад +1

      Glad to know its not just us who thinks these are utter $hit

    • @yohvh
      @yohvh 2 года назад

      Not worth the price? Power wise?

    • @taskforce505
      @taskforce505 2 года назад +1

      @@yohvh right I’m wondering the same thing I dont expect ktm dirt bike quality something around the same as a surron. Did it break down or stop working ? Cause it’s worth the money for a 15kw surron it would be like +5k to get it as fast plus the Surrons belt drive breaks I doubt a transmission would fail with 14kw

  • @killacoiler1707
    @killacoiler1707 2 года назад +1

    It is a cool concept but for 5k I can build one that is much more powerful and reliable. The idea of a gearbox is appealing but it needs to be robust enough to handle being ripped on a track. This is like a pitbike blown up with an electric power plant in it. I almost think a Sur Ron xx with some upgraded body panels would be more sturdy. For a mere 1600 extra dollars you could buy a Kayo K6r petrol machine that will handle being beat down on an MX track and do it with some relative ease and compliance. The new Sur Ron Storm Bee is 1.5 times the price but is a proper machine for Enduro and light MX use. Just saying if you are serious about MX riding this is not the way to go if you are simply stunting it in a parking lot you might get 6 months out of it; then again a controller and battery upgrade in a Razor would be more confidence inspiring lol! Thanks for the close up and the detailed break down.

  • @JoshuaMewes
    @JoshuaMewes 11 месяцев назад

    Does anyone know if these can be reset? Mines lights uo but doesn’t do anything else it’s like the brain telling it not to drive?? Any ideas?

  • @patrickmichael2968
    @patrickmichael2968 2 года назад +5

    Those welds look like they were done by someone's uncle in a backyard, after downing about 1/2 case of Bud-Light.
    Thanks for the review bro. This one is a definite "Im gonna have to pass".

  • @j.finesseflights1403
    @j.finesseflights1403 Год назад

    Real recognizes real!!

  • @yohvh
    @yohvh 2 года назад

    Well Im glad this video exists. you clearly know some stuff and have other bikes to compare to. makes you trust worthy

  • @kiefergrossest4636
    @kiefergrossest4636 2 года назад +1

    I think once the big motorcross manufacturers start building electric dirt bikes the quality will improve we have too keep in mind the company’s making these bikes are not likely employing professional welders or designers. Same situation as the pit bikes produced in china

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад

      We agree totally , I think its a shame bikes like the TimeMX look great at first view but when you look a little closer its disappointing . As you said once the big names fully incorporate electric bikes we will see much higher quality bikes

  • @spoonsarefun
    @spoonsarefun 11 месяцев назад

    What motor did they use in place of the dirtbike crank?

  • @alphallama6320
    @alphallama6320 7 месяцев назад

    Where do u but it?

  • @jeremiahgoike6949
    @jeremiahgoike6949 Год назад +1

    Haha. This guy!! Classic.

  • @chipsnpeasifuplz
    @chipsnpeasifuplz 2 года назад

    I think you should've taken the side pannels off. Like to know how easy it is to remove the battery

  • @darrenhobson2244
    @darrenhobson2244 2 года назад

    Or even a kakasakki. Stellar review mate 👌 loved it.edit. would liked to see you ride it. Maybe next review aye

  • @peedee4065
    @peedee4065 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for all the waxing philosophical. I see dirt on the thing, so it was obviously ridden... by whom? Is this typical, to do "reviews" where you don't even show the thing in motion?

  • @robinholmescnx
    @robinholmescnx 2 года назад

    Excellent review. I'll be taking your advice.

  • @johnryder3426
    @johnryder3426 Год назад

    Thanks for the review and I expect this bike to be lower quality but you pointed out some specific things that make me hesitate. Still, there is one on Craigslist here in Eureka California for 1200 bucks that has 500 miles on it so it's kind of tempting. Miles are like kilometers only longer. Anyway I'm concerned about having another broken thing lying around but for the price it might be really fun for the upcoming season. One side note I have to say is that having the having the rear suspension offset is not necessarily a design flaw, that's how my KTM is set up, it looks a little weird but I don't think there's any reason it is problematic.

  • @hazeysmokeakatrigr7340
    @hazeysmokeakatrigr7340 Год назад

    Imagine paying 4 bag for a bike with welds like that 🤦🏻‍♂️😱 new to your channel great insight to this bike…. Well informed and can’t wait to watch more

  • @matt8341
    @matt8341 2 года назад

    Finally some honesty and not just hype

  • @HighSideHustler811
    @HighSideHustler811 2 года назад

    How do these bad boys compare to the freeride e?

  • @motomachinezuk8786
    @motomachinezuk8786 2 года назад

    Great review appreciate the upload. It's put my mind to rest on these for sure as I have seen them for sale.
    Cheers

    • @T-Sav
      @T-Sav 2 года назад

      Yep avoid them mate.... i am debating converting a petrol MX to electric

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад

      Thanks for the comment - this is the 3rd TimeMX we have seen and thought its time we did an honest review of the build quality and unusual setup of the bike

  • @bdotguy5703
    @bdotguy5703 2 года назад

    Very very helpful! Almost fell for it

  • @darrenbrock5286
    @darrenbrock5286 2 года назад +2

    Dude u are no bruv from the hood.. these things rip !!!

  • @ktp3791
    @ktp3791 Год назад

    That was a great review.... thanks.

  • @er98ah
    @er98ah 2 года назад

    Quality bike mate keep up the work!!

  • @WildStyleWorks
    @WildStyleWorks 2 года назад +5

    thank you, to be honest, your telling many things that are to expect when you buy a bike for only 3500€. And why should a pitbike gearbox be bad? I mean i dont like first gear down too, but why shouldnt it hold up? The way the gears are arranged does not say anything about the sturdyness of the system, ok the welds are really not good that is something im gonna claim at the manufacturer too, but i know they will hold up, and thoose few that are bad, dont matter at all. I am welder and construction worker, so i know what is needed to hold up 😜 And spare parts are no problem, i got a whole list with numbers and prices from the seller to rebuy all needed spare parts including the battery. And yes it feels a bit cluncky to ride, but hey, its not a KTM or simmilar, thats for sure!!! It costs one third of that, so what are you thinking? The back swingarm, you wanted to tell something but you forgot in the video to mention it again. Yes it is shorter then standart and it is strange, but when i checked it and took a look how it works, i have to say it is geniusly made. To put a smaller shock in by lengthenig the travel way is not a bad idea, this way you can safe weight and money and still got good results. In my opinion you overdid it a bit in the video, also the size of the bike was a reason for me to buy it, since i am only 1,70m high and this bike has the perfect hight for me 😊 aslo i still hope the chinese are developing the next models and reconsider many problems they had with this first model to upgrade them on newer versions of the bikes. 😁 but non the less its your opinion and i respekt it. but the main problems with the bike you didnt even mention, like the alarm system and the throttle control. i will make a real reviw with honest fakts and try to tell all the real problems i got with mine. and for the money, its not bad!

    • @fredcorp66
      @fredcorp66 2 года назад +1

      Would you mind sending me that parts list? I just emailed you :) I also own one of these and super happy with it.

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад +1

      we have another video on the Timemx coming soon and will be replying to points stated in this comment in detail. Thanks for the comment and its interesting hearing peoples feedback on the bike . Unfortunately here in the UK greedy resellers sell this bike for around 7,500 euros - So we have reviewed it based on that price

    • @purpleether5405
      @purpleether5405 2 года назад

      how is yours now? what issues are you having?

  • @wetlifesports
    @wetlifesports Год назад

    Good review, I have an Escape and have some videos as I love it and someone made a comment that this bike was great!, better than the EM Escape. I did some homework and am finding your dead on. A guy has one for sale near me and I was going to buy it just for fun but he too is fed up with it as it came in with a bad battery and he has not been able to get it repaired, etc... He is taking a huge loss. I love your comment on the "Household vent thrown in for good luck.."

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  Год назад +1

      Anyone who believes the TimeMX is better then the EM Escape probably thinks the world is flat , unicorns are real and most likely wears some form of tinfoil hat .

    • @wetlifesports
      @wetlifesports Год назад

      @@KiloVoltBikes 😆

    • @stevenash7476
      @stevenash7476 Год назад +1

      nearly beat you at the race well i did because you did 2 laps i did 3. Its a ok bike if you know how ride and race MX

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  Год назад +1

      @@stevenash7476 I did the full 3 laps , I really like you Steve and I think your bike is one of the better examples of these TimeMX after you did the welds again and the other changes you mentioned . I personally still don’t like the gearbox feels nothing like my YZ125 or KTM350 I used to ride and race daily . I’m sorry if I was harsh on the bike in this review - one thing I didn’t think about is the really cool people who bought and own this bike, no insult or hard feelings meant towards you I just really don’t like these bikes .
      I have a picture of the results from the day on my GoPro . Do they have the results posted online ?

  • @noce1071
    @noce1071 2 года назад +1

    The swingarm looks like the one off of the Motoped bike. The whole bike looks like the took the Motoped and turned it in to an Electric Dirt Bike.

  • @MaurioStevens
    @MaurioStevens 2 года назад

    Yes a video on the APT9600. it has a rated 100a but 800a max
    confused on how

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад +1

      we have used the APT9600 in the past if i recall its rated at 600A phase amps and around 300A battery

  • @mikepagani6996
    @mikepagani6996 2 года назад +2

    I need a rough estimate so I know how much to save got 800 so far

    • @Ray88G
      @Ray88G 2 года назад +3

      The whole bike costs. 4K here in UK. But that's overpriced bevayse you can get it for around 2K from China.

    • @Ray88G
      @Ray88G 2 года назад +2

      Seach for dendel gb200 gearbox and get a roller.. You can build a much better bike yourself

    • @mikepagani6996
      @mikepagani6996 2 года назад

      @@Ray88G I’m on about a custom battery pack not the bike it’s nice tho the bike but not worth 4k in my opinion

    • @Ray88G
      @Ray88G 2 года назад +1

      @@mikepagani6996 Yes. It's way overpriced.. You can import it yourself for hell of allot cheaper..
      The batt, yea you can build a batt for 800 only if you do it all by yourself..
      I would save up another £500-600 and buy a molicell P42A cells from a UK wheleseller.. But the battery is only half the story.. You also need a very good controller.. I'd go with Asi Bac controller or if you want to save money, then I would use Nanjing FarDriver controller.. ND72850 should do the job..

    • @mikepagani6996
      @mikepagani6996 2 года назад

      @@Ray88G I was thinking sabvoton I just have a stock 60a controller that came with the 72v kit at the moment but was thinking of an upgrade

  • @jhill6033
    @jhill6033 Год назад

    Damn thanks for the info. I guess its a no go then

  • @Coryf1989
    @Coryf1989 2 года назад +1

    I’m ready to buy an e bike. Either this or the sur ron. Sounds like sur ron is the way to go. Or are those pure chinese garbage too???

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад +1

      Check out our video on the talaria sting . We’d say it’s between Talaria Sting or Surron

    • @thomasrudder9639
      @thomasrudder9639 Год назад

      Sur Ron suck too

  • @thefifaconnoisseur91
    @thefifaconnoisseur91 2 года назад

    Hi I’m just wondering are you the guys with the repair shop in Ashton

    • @goinawol9447
      @goinawol9447 2 месяца назад

      Which ashton bro theres like 20

  • @2xMisc
    @2xMisc 10 месяцев назад

    So baisicly a cheaper surron

  • @SRNAR8
    @SRNAR8 2 года назад +1

    A pitbike costs about 700-1000 and outputs about the same power as this. They use same pitbike parts lmao. So you pay an extra £3.5 for a battery and different body hahahhaha.

  • @andysimpson321
    @andysimpson321 2 года назад +3

    So you have done a review on a bike that you don’t own?…… is damaged….and you haven’t even had a ride of? Agree the welds probably could be better but it’s not exactly a 12k Alta MX is it….. it’s almost 1/3 the price I’m going to give 1 a try and maybe a more in-depth review coming soon! After actually owning and riding it for a while 👍

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  2 года назад

      Owning it and riding it won’t make things any better pal.
      This isn’t even the first time we have made contact with this bike , riding it makes things even worse - the battery sags from 90v to 50v on full throttle and it skips or misses gears often .
      This bike wasn’t exactly damaged either just needed a throttle replacing (poor quality parts again)
      We don’t need to own a bike to review it . Good luck if your planning to buy one and ride it . Remember where we are when it breaks - which is only a matter of time 🤣👍

    • @T-Sav
      @T-Sav 2 года назад

      I had one, rode it, its a heap of living shit.

    • @purpleether5405
      @purpleether5405 2 года назад

      @@T-Sav what were your issues?

    • @T-Sav
      @T-Sav 2 года назад

      @@purpleether5405 Clutch never really worked correctly, gears were not worth having tbh. What concerned me the most was the quality of the welds - on mine where the rear suspension connected to the frame, the spot weld was only about 3mm thick from the bracket to the frame. Also not really an issue with the bike but the thing was MASSIVE. Also the battery was poor... i believe the cells used inside to be mega cheap

    • @purpleether5405
      @purpleether5405 2 года назад

      @@T-Sav thats interesting. i've heard some people have issues with the gears, one guy said you have to be fully off the throttle to change then they work fine. Was your battery degrading quickly or just didn't last as long as expected?

  • @ianmangham4570
    @ianmangham4570 2 года назад +1

    Great bikes if you have the cash, add weld if anything snaps, they need waterproofing before ridden, at 4k nobody is gonna buy one because they've got better crap to buy 😂

  • @khanridoy5569
    @khanridoy5569 Год назад

    hi brother my from Bangladesh you give bike I give money no problem how many

  • @racerx2095
    @racerx2095 2 года назад

    I agree 100%

  • @MrJakeyftodler
    @MrJakeyftodler Год назад

    Why are you wearing sunglasses?

  • @Moi70667
    @Moi70667 2 года назад

    Nice

  • @KnightShift006
    @KnightShift006 Год назад

    No official website black sheep trading.
    Own fuckall but a Targia or SurRonster only for racing shoddy welds???
    They're all getting 3D printed 50% + weight down just as solid carbon nanotubes/graphene from nanografi all the Metal nanoparticles Triumph CCM needs Also for Metallic metaloid/Metal/wood plastics.

  • @electricjay9000
    @electricjay9000 2 года назад +1

    Looks good from far but far from good!

  • @mikepagani6996
    @mikepagani6996 2 года назад

    Hi did you get my email about the battery I want built

  • @rogerwilkie8555
    @rogerwilkie8555 2 года назад

    Wanna sale it?

  • @tylerseabook9423
    @tylerseabook9423 Год назад

    Who cares about the gear pattern. Pit bikes that are 4 up are made for adults. Nothing wrong with that. If the pattern is the issue that’s a dumb point or dumb reason to not put faith in it. I bet any money you won’t be able to break the transmission 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    • @KiloVoltBikes
      @KiloVoltBikes  Год назад

      Show me anything built by a proper company with neutral all the way down … like a Yamaha , Honda or KTM … pit bikes are cheap Chinese rubbish and if your an adult riding one that’s pretty much my point exactly and you would probably love this bike 😂😂😂

  • @fastat5065
    @fastat5065 2 года назад

    5 bags 😂

  • @TheRossillini
    @TheRossillini Год назад

    That electric stuff sucks, cheap quality and dumb trend.