This isn’t a debate on which is more efficient anymore. I can say after seeing a number of your videos and its comments this is really an argument about preference. You’ve already proven in multiple ways that both can do the job. People supporting drivers obviously make their choice off quickness and above all they don’t mind the resistance and amount of control somewhat necessary to use it. As for those supporting impacts just prefer the convenience; for example it’s lightness, simplicity, quick and easy to change bits, and I’m guessing the lack of constant strain using it for particular projects. In my case i like the driver because I’m used to everything that comes with it; i can adjust to any bit size, you can alternate from drive and impact, and the weight is more than tolerable for me. I can understand both sides of the argument though, there’s no real superior if the person using isn’t utilizing the best out it.
It all started because people lit up my comment section when I did a quick video of an impact driver vs a drill driving a #10 screw. People kept saying a drill is for drilling and a driver is for driving. So, I tried to explain that a drill is a drill driver. That wasn't good enough. First they said prove it. And I did. Then it was, use a Bigger impact wrench and that will beat the drill. The drill still won. At no point did I ever say to not use an impact. I said, correctly, that they were using the drill wrong and did a series of videos showing that to be true. Their other excuses being that I put weight down on the drill. Which didn't happen because I was bracing my workstation. Not having it bolted to the floor and all. In every single video, I was right. Do I care if people use an impact instead of a drill? I couldn't care less. Use whatever gets the job done bit know what each tool can do and how it should be used.
@gilbertcox5075 Ma'am it's you're not your. I know when you come from a family tree that has no branches it's a little difficult for you. It reminds me of a story I heard about your first fight; which also involved your first sequel encounter. You were bloody and bruised but at least your dad came.
I’ve used an impact my entire career and just switched to a sub compact drill/driver and wish I did it sooner. It saves my ears, it’s faster, there’s more control. Literally the only thing I can see myself using the impact for now is with things like lug nuts on my truck. I always thought the drill was a useless tool. My impact driver was “faster” and drilled holes and I just used my giant octane hammer drill for masonry. I got a subcompact drill/driver in a combo kit that was on sale because it was $50 more to get that with two batteries than the bare tool I was looking at, figured I’d keep it at home for around the house stuff and now it’s my go to for everything. Lighter than my old impact, and it’s got enough torque for metal and masonry.
@krispy42008 we had a guy have a small fracture in his wrist where he fell and didn't even know it was hurt. He used a drill later that day and when it caught it twisted his hand off.
@@czed7515 I was working on a house project last year trying to put a large screw in to a silcock outside and it caught and sprained my wrist and thumb. I did not know up until that point that an impact would not do that. Buying an impact for that sort of thing instead now.
You brace your entire body around that drill to keep your wrist from doing 360s around your garage - impact comfortable in one hand. Impact wins for me
@@nickmonty2961yup, like a thousand thunderstrikes to the brain per second. Im so done hearing people say 'oh but its not that loud'. Theyre clearly deaf f****** idiots. Id rather listen to Pump It - Black Eyed Peas coming out of an amplifier for 6 weeks straight at maximal volume, than be anywhere near the turbulent thundererous impact driver, especially when its close to your head. The two guys below me can piss off, clearly are 60+yo tradies who have been in close combat gunfights with large calibre rifle fire taking place near their ears.
@@hughmann7485actually. That specific drill won’t since it has anti kick back… most guys I know don’t use drills for fasteners since their only drill is a massive hammer drill lol… I have a compact dewalt drill and a hammer drill… the smaller drills I’ve never experienced any wrist snapping… the larger dewalt hammer drill I have experienced it a couple of times
I'm happy you showed how the impact won. Using only a single hand, it never jerked around on you. Impact drivers are very friendly on the user, allowing you to drive fasteners of any size without recoil
I'm glad you love advertising you know absolutely nothing about tools. I'm sorry I showed proper technique. Maybe if you had ever worked a job, you would know. However, being clueless isn't a crime. So, you are free to go and spread your ignorance anywhere you want.
Do pool work we have brass anchors that have to be put up and down, I'd always brace the drill on my side for when it grabbed going down or hung up going up. Use the m12 impact now (m18 little too powerful even on 1). Body says THANK YOU everyday. NEVER have to worry about jerking my wrist.
with this size of lags though (and assuming decent working conditions) you're pretty well braced with the drill the whole way and it actually ends up more comfortable (less vibration and faster)
You said it. Use case is everything, as a mechanic I’m using an impact 90% because it’s made to deal with bolts and other fasteners. If I need to make a hole I’m grabbing a drill.
well this is a wood screw and everything is different there. Also an impact wrench and impact driver are different tools, the impact driver being one of the most useless ones imo. And as a mechanic can't do without an impact wrench of course. But in woodworking I would always use a drill driver, impacts just don't make sense there unless you really don't care about needing 10 times longer for every screw. We use impact wrenches for bolting together big beams. But for any screw that cuts into wood you're better off using a drill.
No question it's faster. But it's not All about speed. U had to hold on for dear life and push with all your might. U had 1 hand on the impact. I use both, when I do use an impact it's just cuz it's easier and the tool does all the work
I have both. Drill for drilling and impact driver for screwing. I found out from experience that the impact driver is not necessarily faster. But in some situations it can do things the drill can't. Having both is a win-win for me 😀
Personally, I'd use the drill to make a pilot hole then the driver to drive the bolt in. Seems it would make life easier for me, both tools, and whatever I'm drilling into. 🤷🏻♂️
Yes the drill drives it in more efficiently, but you have to have the strength to deal with the counter rotational force. Two hands on that drill and a good stance. If a person is working off a ladder only has one hand to stabilize the tool then that's the benefit of having a impact driver over the drill. Every tool has a purpose and reason for existing. I'm always going to want both. He does a good job demonstrating the benefits of both tools right here.
@@ToolswithSoAlz now for your next demonstration I want to see you on a ladder 25 feet up reaching out with one hand overhead driving in those lag bolts. One time with a impact driver and one time with a drill driver. See how that goes. " No Excuses" " you just need knowledge " 😂😂
@@ToolswithSoAlzwhy are you so rude to people man? This is a completely benign comment even if you think he’s wrong what is the justification for constant school yard insults and just being so rude. He didn’t say a thing about you, but you respond as if his comments about impacts were a direct attack on you and your father the drill driver. Seriously is there a reason ? Do you get more views/interaction by acting this way or something ? Or is this your genuine personality?
Now wait while I jump on top of the drill drive. By all means, you go ahead and abuse one tool, the rest of the tradesman watching will use the tool designed for the job
I was wondering if anyone noticed it wasn't a fair test that yes he put both hands on the first one at first but keep them on the second one the whole time and even put his whole body on the other one why I held the other one with just one hand and barely has any weight on it and barely any pressure just letting it do its own self
It depends on how much leverage you have that would determine the one you use. If you're lagging bolts up to a certain height you're better off with the impact, but lower all the way to the floor the drill works best.
If I was installing those lags I wouldn’t be reaching for the hex impact, I’d be reaching for my 700ft lb impact wrench, which is about quadruple the drills torque on a good day. I fell in love with the hex impact when we were installing a fence and were about 1400 screws into it while using both drill and hex impact side by side, the hex is; smaller, lighter, cams out less, and changes hex bits much faster than the drill chuck
My impact is light weight hooks on my work belt I choose comfort other than carrying a much heavier hammer drill. That’s just me and my impact will drive them no problem it may be slower but that’s ok with me.
@@ToolswithSoAlzWith a drill maybe. Impacts are smaller, less likely to cam out especially if you have to used them somewhere hard to reach where it isn't easy to give appropriate back pressure, there lightness makes them easier to use above the head for longer. But to be fare, in most scenario I usually drill with a drill, drive with impact. And if I need the clutch to set screw flush evenly and quickly, obviously use the drill, or is the application calls for it, like an earth auger. But on other hand, with my impact I can quickly change tires, good luck doing that with a drill. Different tools for different jobs. It's silly to have this kind of loyalty to drills, what did impacts do to you?
The drill is definitely faster with large lags. I think the impact shines where its smaller hardware. The other thing is in my line of work most of the stuff im doing is aerial and the problem with the drill is you have to be able to position yourself good to be able to stop the kickback. Pretty difficult alot of the time for me. Also how often do ppl really need to drive such large lags? Like you said both tools definitely have their place
Impact drivers are kind of like a emasculated drill... making them noisy and slow with no awesome torque 🤏🤓...yah yah yah...it's easier on your lil wrist 😂.
I knew an ex lineman that would drive pole steps in with a 3lbs hammer, no pre drilling. But, this was from a man that would also have someone slide a cinderblock under a VW Beetle while he picked it up to change a tire.
I drive J-hooks(same diameter as pole steps) on a pole with a 3lbs hammer. I work on ladders drilling holes into masonary and drive them screws the same hammer drill. Only real men work like this.
@@vivasativa5194 Pole steps use back in the early 80's to 90's was about the diameter of a quarter. These steps have a step angle on the point. Most linemen drill a guide hole a little smaller than a dime. The issue with driving these without a guide hole, you would usually bend them before fully setting it.
They do the same job differently. The impact driver takes longer, but counters its own torque, the drill is quicker, but you also had to brace it against your body because it transfers the torque to the handle. The deciding factor is what your personal preference is
Dude, try using your drill all day with that amount of strain on your wrist. Bet after your 10th bolt on a jobsite, you'd be begging the real tradesman next to you for an impact driver
@markilleen4027 it's called a pilot hole. Yeah, if you know what you're doing you drill a pilot hole and then you use the drill, by engaging the clutch, to drive the fastener. See, I know you've never done anything like this. I also know when, where, and why you wouldn't be on a ladder doing this and you don't. You suffer from arrogant ignorance. It's a serious infliction caused when one is allowed to give their unchecked opinions online because social media limits what people, especially creators, can say back. You can pretend that you're a tradesman here because most people don't know anything about building. However, amd hilariously so here, you'll eventually run across someone who does know. Someone who knows well beyond the basics of RUclips University (where any troll can claim to be anything). The minute you talked about wrists hurting I knew you were about to explain how little you actually knew. You didn't disappoint because, like a spoiled child, you had to come back for more. Unlike a spoiled child it was because you foolish though you had watched enough videos to be a part of an adult conversation.
I used to build pallet rack and mezzanine systems. We used a corded Hilti hammer drill to bore for our concrete anchors. Broke a bit off on a piece of rebar and the end fit neatly into the square on the back of the socket that fit the anchor heads. That thing wouldn't just break a wrist, it would toss you like in a Seagal film.
Everyone is saying he's holding on for dear life with the drill or it'll snap your wrist, do these guys know how to adjust the clutch. The drill will always be faster and if you adjust the clutch it's not difficult to hold.
Hope y’all don’t think that I care about the impact or the debate but just commenting on something I noticed, the impact seemed to be driving the lag with its own power while the drill seemed to have a lot of help from his other hand pushing down really hard. Not sure how much of a difference that made but still seemed like an uneven playing field. (I usually use my drill before my driver by the way. I think the drill is better for most jobs.)
Yeah the driver takes and handles the torque better and they ratchet themselves to stop spinning when the bolt is in. Allows you to not snap your wrist or lose control and requires less energy.
to me i’ll use a impact for the short screws bc it’s just easier on the wrist, but if im drilling long screws through a high beam im picking that drill. it’s wayyyy easier and less tiring
There are a lot of people that are on the opposite side i like an impact i use them for most all screws they really won me over replacing rotten wood on our deck and the impact was way better but i use a drill for drilling and i install tvs so i use a drill for thpse lags but thats mostly because im not trying to be extra loud just because and i knew the drill was faster even though the lags i am doing are much smaller but it is more work
Impact for me, it's just what I've always used and what works for me. I've used the drill a few times but I not to crazy about it but I do appreciate it's functions but bot enough to pick it over the impact plus the impact has a sexy look to it just looks nice lol
How can people actually prefer an impact over a drill for large lag screws? If the impact is all you have then just use it but if you have a drill and care about speed, use the drill.
For those larger lag screws like these, an impact wrench is the way to go. Impact drivers have fast and soft impacts and impact wrenches have slow and hard impacts.
I use a drill all day everyday to drive 100's if not 1000's of fasteners a day. I have an impact but don't ever use it. My body is fine and wrist is fine. I refrained from saying this in other comments but MAN THE F$&K UP if you think a 20v drill is a workout to use. What is wrong with you guys? My Great Grandfather built houses till the day he died in the 80's. He never used a power tool, ever. Hand drills, hammers, hand saw... He was a damn machine. I equate this to younger mechanics that have to were gloves and have trick to keep oil off their hands when changing oil. Get your damn hand dirty, your a mechanic, grow up, man up, shut up, do the job, and do it right (not that using a driver is wrong).
The drill clearly wins but it’s much harder to hold and the machine is getting hammered. The impact just does it’s stuff. No stress and the machine won’t fall apart in a couple of weeks.
I’m here before the… “But the pilot hole + the fast forwarded footage + my other excuses + why is this so important to you even though I’ve complained every video because it’s important to me ” … 😂
Impact drivers are no longer the go to on job sites, the noise is ridiculous, and the drill does everything. They are really just a marketing thing to inexperienced tradesmen thinking they need one.
At this point I'd literally just get a 1/2in mid tourqe because that regular drill isn't gonna put up with that forever and the socket adapters always break anyway
Imagine driving lag bolts all day long. At the end of the day, I believe you'd be way more fatigued using the drill vs the impact. True the drill may be faster, but at what cost...?
A drill is actually better in each circumstance. A drill, Speed 2, feather the trigger, will still beat an impact in metal. Unless you're talking about self-tappers.
So I got a somewhat new m12 impact great for what I need I made the mistake to start with the m18 brushless they’ve been solid but I think I want to upgrade but maybe just the drill I think my m12 fuel and m18 brushless impact should be fine but my drill is starting to break down
Why would anyone want to impact a lag bolt in? Impacts are for loosening difficult nuts, that's why there's so much hubbub about nut-busting torque. The impact driver doesn't make much sense to me and will require adapters to remove nuts in an engine bay, thus lengthening the tool significantly. Just get a compact impact WRENCH and use a drill to install lags.
Neither of those tools were really intended on that application. A drill is for drilling holes, and a 1/4" impact driver is for small screws. Sure, both could do the job, but the impact driver is underpowered, and you are about to shit your pants with how hard you tense while trying to control the drill. A 1/2" impact wrench would be better suited for those screws/bolts.
I noticed this when driving big lags into 6x6's this summer, my impact was taking forever and often couldn't even drive it all the way in, but my 1/2" drill sent them right in way faster. Surprised me.
They have their own uses. When I'm on a ladder 20 feet in the air, I don't wanna fight that torque on the drill. Unless you're production pushing out 100's of units a day. Saving 10 minutes over the course of the entire day isn't really worth the strain the drill puts on your wrist, forearm, or side as you used here
Ma'am do you think pushing down made the drill spin faster or the wood softer? Otherwise you just need to tell yourself these excuses because you aren't man enough to accept the results.
Your right on paper but in the field I'm grabbing an impact all day. Especially for overhead work. That's why alot of guys like using an impact for drilling holes when they can. Just easier on your body
It should be called people who make excuses to avoid accepting what they saw. Here's how sad the excuse is. Does pushing down make the drill spin faster or the wood softer? Yeah
The problem is the 1/4” impact is just flat out the wrong tool for the job. Any framer worth his salt uses the 1/2” mid torque to drive lags over 1/4”.
The debate was never about what’s faster. It’s about what more convenient and efficient. The amount it takes you to switch out your bit every time you switch to something I would already have it done.
They are built for different purposes. Where the impact is slower it’s friendly but j your wrist since the torque disappear in the impact motion and the drill is faster but gives you all the torque demanding you to putt both hands and in this case even your hip to hold the force.
I use Milwaukee 1/2" drive M18 impact ,or the Dewalt version depending on who's tool I'm using . They drive lags way faster than a drill or impact driver.
I thought a few times , would an impact driver be better than my electric screwdriver? Your videos have made up my mind. My blue Bosch is small,powerful and has a clutch. My combi drill does nust about everything. I only use an SDS for for core drilling
Although, you can see an obvious difference in the how fast it is, it doesn’t mean impact drivers aren’t any good. I think tool has it’s uniqueness, place and time for its use.
Since I started watching you now whenever I'm about to reach for my impact I start hearing you in my head like "Impacts are small fasteners only... only.. only...." "The drill is the superior tool.. tool. tool..." So yea I use my drill a lot more now, lmao
3 MAIN and very important reasons for using an impact for screws: 1. safety for your wrist 2. convenience simplicity - compact form & easy to change bits 3. It doesn't destroy your screw head if you slip on a Pozi or Philips Drill is ok for this huge screw with hex head as you can't destroy the head, BUT you still need to hang on to it for dear life with your whole body as it generates a huge friction. For normal regular smaller screws the speed difference is lost. So just keep impact for screwing and drill for drilling. It's in the name.
I think what makes some people leery or cautious of using a drill driver vs an impact driver is the drill driver can have kickback. But they also have stabilizer bars on the newer drill drivers to avoid kickback. I don’t have much of a stake in this debate, I use both a drill driver and an impact driver for different reasons but I can see your point about the speed of the drill driver.
If I ever have to use lags they are pre drilled and power lags, those smaller coated ones with the massive torques bit. It seems my battery’s last longer using the impact. Just my experience
I love how the impact he let the light weight of it do the work. But the drill he went full on using both hands pushing it down as hard as you can. yeah it’s not much but it would be a little closer times if you have the same pressure and hold on both
It’s like people have forgotten the purpose of an impact to begin with. Cordless impacts were designed to prevent cam out and give you the best fastener turn rate with the trade off of overall power. A lag will never cam out and drills are made for high torque @ lower speeds. Idk why everyone seems shocked by this
99% of those who buy Impact drivers as carpenters have no idea what the machine's purpose is for. Embarrassing that you call yourselves professionals workers. If I saw a carpenter with an Impact driver at my construction site, he would not have a job there after, would have to go home without pay. Idiocy should not pay
The mistake is thinking there’s a debate at all each is better at something than the other. There’s never a better tool or brand it’s all about what fits you best.
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This isn’t a debate on which is more efficient anymore. I can say after seeing a number of your videos and its comments this is really an argument about preference. You’ve already proven in multiple ways that both can do the job. People supporting drivers obviously make their choice off quickness and above all they don’t mind the resistance and amount of control somewhat necessary to use it. As for those supporting impacts just prefer the convenience; for example it’s lightness, simplicity, quick and easy to change bits, and I’m guessing the lack of constant strain using it for particular projects. In my case i like the driver because I’m used to everything that comes with it; i can adjust to any bit size, you can alternate from drive and impact, and the weight is more than tolerable for me. I can understand both sides of the argument though, there’s no real superior if the person using isn’t utilizing the best out it.
It all started because people lit up my comment section when I did a quick video of an impact driver vs a drill driving a #10 screw. People kept saying a drill is for drilling and a driver is for driving. So, I tried to explain that a drill is a drill driver. That wasn't good enough. First they said prove it. And I did. Then it was, use a Bigger impact wrench and that will beat the drill. The drill still won. At no point did I ever say to not use an impact. I said, correctly, that they were using the drill wrong and did a series of videos showing that to be true. Their other excuses being that I put weight down on the drill. Which didn't happen because I was bracing my workstation. Not having it bolted to the floor and all.
In every single video, I was right. Do I care if people use an impact instead of a drill? I couldn't care less. Use whatever gets the job done bit know what each tool can do and how it should be used.
Wow! Start it off with a lie. Nice
@gilbertcox5075 Ma'am it's you're not your. I know when you come from a family tree that has no branches it's a little difficult for you. It reminds me of a story I heard about your first fight; which also involved your first sequel encounter. You were bloody and bruised but at least your dad came.
I’ve used an impact my entire career and just switched to a sub compact drill/driver and wish I did it sooner.
It saves my ears, it’s faster, there’s more control. Literally the only thing I can see myself using the impact for now is with things like lug nuts on my truck.
I always thought the drill was a useless tool. My impact driver was “faster” and drilled holes and I just used my giant octane hammer drill for masonry.
I got a subcompact drill/driver in a combo kit that was on sale because it was $50 more to get that with two batteries than the bare tool I was looking at, figured I’d keep it at home for around the house stuff and now it’s my go to for everything. Lighter than my old impact, and it’s got enough torque for metal and masonry.
@@LSFordwork smarter, not harder 😅
Impact is always a nicer experience. Saves your wrists, too.
That sound is damaging to eardrums though
theres a clutch for a reason
@krispy42008 we had a guy have a small fracture in his wrist where he fell and didn't even know it was hurt. He used a drill later that day and when it caught it twisted his hand off.
There are pussys and there are men anti-kickback drill exist you just wanna be special 🤷♂️
@@czed7515 I was working on a house project last year trying to put a large screw in to a silcock outside and it caught and sprained my wrist and thumb. I did not know up until that point that an impact would not do that. Buying an impact for that sort of thing instead now.
You brace your entire body around that drill to keep your wrist from doing 360s around your garage - impact comfortable in one hand. Impact wins for me
Very loud
@@Lit_uchiha4 loud enough to need ears on
@@nickmonty2961yup, like a thousand thunderstrikes to the brain per second. Im so done hearing people say 'oh but its not that loud'. Theyre clearly deaf f****** idiots. Id rather listen to Pump It - Black Eyed Peas coming out of an amplifier for 6 weeks straight at maximal volume, than be anywhere near the turbulent thundererous impact driver, especially when its close to your head. The two guys below me can piss off, clearly are 60+yo tradies who have been in close combat gunfights with large calibre rifle fire taking place near their ears.
Drill every day of the week🖕
@@Lit_uchiha4 I was talking about the impact driver. I’m team drill unless I need to break something loose
Can you show us on the doll where the bad impact driver touched you?
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Savage 😂
That statement is way too funny.
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Why don't you hold the drill with 1 hand like you did with the impact?
Excuses are fun to make when you can't handle what you saw
@@ToolswithSoAlz ok. But why don’t you though? I mean its only fair isn’t it?
@@ToolswithSoAlzthis really isn't a response, I'm sure he was asking a legitimate question.
because it'll snap your wrist lol
@@hughmann7485actually. That specific drill won’t since it has anti kick back… most guys I know don’t use drills for fasteners since their only drill is a massive hammer drill lol… I have a compact dewalt drill and a hammer drill… the smaller drills I’ve never experienced any wrist snapping… the larger dewalt hammer drill I have experienced it a couple of times
I'm happy you showed how the impact won. Using only a single hand, it never jerked around on you. Impact drivers are very friendly on the user, allowing you to drive fasteners of any size without recoil
I'm glad you love advertising you know absolutely nothing about tools. I'm sorry I showed proper technique. Maybe if you had ever worked a job, you would know. However, being clueless isn't a crime. So, you are free to go and spread your ignorance anywhere you want.
Princess the only thing you've ever done on the job is swallow whatever men out in your mouth
@@ToolswithSoAlzwhy are u getting so mad over this guy’s opinion about their tools? extremely rude for no reason
Do pool work we have brass anchors that have to be put up and down, I'd always brace the drill on my side for when it grabbed going down or hung up going up.
Use the m12 impact now (m18 little too powerful even on 1). Body says THANK YOU everyday. NEVER have to worry about jerking my wrist.
with this size of lags though (and assuming decent working conditions) you're pretty well braced with the drill the whole way and it actually ends up more comfortable (less vibration and faster)
As a mechanic the drill only helps if your drilling something after that those drivers are like your best friend.
You said it. Use case is everything, as a mechanic I’m using an impact 90% because it’s made to deal with bolts and other fasteners. If I need to make a hole I’m grabbing a drill.
well this is a wood screw and everything is different there. Also an impact wrench and impact driver are different tools, the impact driver being one of the most useless ones imo. And as a mechanic can't do without an impact wrench of course. But in woodworking I would always use a drill driver, impacts just don't make sense there unless you really don't care about needing 10 times longer for every screw. We use impact wrenches for bolting together big beams. But for any screw that cuts into wood you're better off using a drill.
I imagine you aren’t driving in many lag screws into wooden cars
Definitely i find more control and stability with impact driver
No question it's faster. But it's not All about speed. U had to hold on for dear life and push with all your might. U had 1 hand on the impact. I use both, when I do use an impact it's just cuz it's easier and the tool does all the work
sometimes it is difficult to reach and you stand on your toes and work with one hand. So I use impact a lot more
I prefer impact driver just because of the convenience switching out bits is faster
I have both. Drill for drilling and impact driver for screwing. I found out from experience that the impact driver is not necessarily faster. But in some situations it can do things the drill can't. Having both is a win-win for me 😀
when I stand on a ladder with one arm, I prefer the impact driver over the drill. They both have their advantages
You didn't end the debate, you extended it. Like this comment all you impact users.
Now that's just pathetic. Like my comment because I need to feel vetter about myself. What a poser
Personally, I'd use the drill to make a pilot hole then the driver to drive the bolt in. Seems it would make life easier for me, both tools, and whatever I'm drilling into. 🤷🏻♂️
The big thing is lash and kickback. Also loosening a bolt can be aided by impacts
Yup
I rather use the impact with one hand than struggle with the drill with two hands
Use the clutch
I always snap those little adapters after the 3rd or 4th lag i just use an impact wrench
Yes the drill drives it in more efficiently, but you have to have the strength to deal with the counter rotational force. Two hands on that drill and a good stance. If a person is working off a ladder only has one hand to stabilize the tool then that's the benefit of having a impact driver over the drill. Every tool has a purpose and reason for existing. I'm always going to want both. He does a good job demonstrating the benefits of both tools right here.
It doesn't require strength it requires knowledge. While you were busy making excuses you should have taken the time to watch and learn.
@@ToolswithSoAlz take it easy tough guy 😂.
@@ToolswithSoAlz now for your next demonstration I want to see you on a ladder 25 feet up reaching out with one hand overhead driving in those lag bolts. One time with a impact driver and one time with a drill driver. See how that goes. " No Excuses" " you just need knowledge " 😂😂
@@ToolswithSoAlzwhy are you so rude to people man? This is a completely benign comment even if you think he’s wrong what is the justification for constant school yard insults and just being so rude. He didn’t say a thing about you, but you respond as if his comments about impacts were a direct attack on you and your father the drill driver.
Seriously is there a reason ? Do you get more views/interaction by acting this way or something ? Or is this your genuine personality?
@PineyJustice Sounds like you need a remedial course on how to use tools.
Now wait while I jump on top of the drill drive.
By all means, you go ahead and abuse one tool, the rest of the tradesman watching will use the tool designed for the job
He doesn't understand he's not a construction guy he's a hobby guy.... Builds birdhouses and shit...
I was wondering if anyone noticed it wasn't a fair test that yes he put both hands on the first one at first but keep them on the second one the whole time and even put his whole body on the other one why I held the other one with just one hand and barely has any weight on it and barely any pressure just letting it do its own self
And the drill had a pilot hole
@@charlesttent8972he understands just fine. He also understands youtube and how to get views.
It's the harbor freight socket that's slowing it down. Could have been a bit faster with a different brand socket. Lol. HF fanboys will whine
It depends on how much leverage you have that would determine the one you use. If you're lagging bolts up to a certain height you're better off with the impact, but lower all the way to the floor the drill works best.
Yup
If I was installing those lags I wouldn’t be reaching for the hex impact, I’d be reaching for my 700ft lb impact wrench, which is about quadruple the drills torque on a good day. I fell in love with the hex impact when we were installing a fence and were about 1400 screws into it while using both drill and hex impact side by side, the hex is; smaller, lighter, cams out less, and changes hex bits much faster than the drill chuck
My impact is light weight hooks on my work belt I choose comfort other than carrying a much heavier hammer drill. That’s just me and my impact will drive them no problem it may be slower but that’s ok with me.
And it will also snap bits more often.
Boy hates losing lol
@@ToolswithSoAlzWith a drill maybe. Impacts are smaller, less likely to cam out especially if you have to used them somewhere hard to reach where it isn't easy to give appropriate back pressure, there lightness makes them easier to use above the head for longer.
But to be fare, in most scenario I usually drill with a drill, drive with impact. And if I need the clutch to set screw flush evenly and quickly, obviously use the drill, or is the application calls for it, like an earth auger. But on other hand, with my impact I can quickly change tires, good luck doing that with a drill.
Different tools for different jobs. It's silly to have this kind of loyalty to drills, what did impacts do to you?
Awww, come on you put a lot more pressure on the drill driver… you’re not fooling anybody….
If you actually knew how these tools worked you would know that pushing down of the drill will hurts its performance.
The drill is definitely faster with large lags. I think the impact shines where its smaller hardware. The other thing is in my line of work most of the stuff im doing is aerial and the problem with the drill is you have to be able to position yourself good to be able to stop the kickback. Pretty difficult alot of the time for me. Also how often do ppl really need to drive such large lags? Like you said both tools definitely have their place
I used to drive these every time we did a roof mount. We always used a drill because it was so much faster.
Impact drivers are kind of like a emasculated drill... making them noisy and slow with no awesome torque 🤏🤓...yah yah yah...it's easier on your lil wrist 😂.
I knew an ex lineman that would drive pole steps in with a 3lbs hammer, no pre drilling.
But, this was from a man that would also have someone slide a cinderblock under a VW Beetle while he picked it up to change a tire.
I drive J-hooks(same diameter as pole steps) on a pole with a 3lbs hammer. I work on ladders drilling holes into masonary and drive them screws the same hammer drill. Only real men work like this.
@@vivasativa5194 Pole steps use back in the early 80's to 90's was about the diameter of a quarter. These steps have a step angle on the point. Most linemen drill a guide hole a little smaller than a dime. The issue with driving these without a guide hole, you would usually bend them before fully setting it.
That otter, wearing medieval armor on your shirt wins
Thank you
They do the same job differently. The impact driver takes longer, but counters its own torque, the drill is quicker, but you also had to brace it against your body because it transfers the torque to the handle. The deciding factor is what your personal preference is
One thing to make clear is that you can use the impact with one hand and drill needs two hands or a really strong wrist
All I’m gonna say is there is a reason the driver comes with a mountable brace. For those saying he’s pushing down harder…it’s just to avoid the kick.
@@CytoplasmicGoo if you have joint issues or are elderly then using the impact will get it done. The drill/driver is the correct tool though.
Dude, try using your drill all day with that amount of strain on your wrist. Bet after your 10th bolt on a jobsite, you'd be begging the real tradesman next to you for an impact driver
Do I need to break out the Crayons and draw you a pretty picture of how this would really be done?
@@ToolswithSoAlz go on how would it really be done, over head one hand,
@markilleen4027 it's called a pilot hole. Yeah, if you know what you're doing you drill a pilot hole and then you use the drill, by engaging the clutch, to drive the fastener.
See, I know you've never done anything like this. I also know when, where, and why you wouldn't be on a ladder doing this and you don't. You suffer from arrogant ignorance. It's a serious infliction caused when one is allowed to give their unchecked opinions online because social media limits what people, especially creators, can say back. You can pretend that you're a tradesman here because most people don't know anything about building. However, amd hilariously so here, you'll eventually run across someone who does know. Someone who knows well beyond the basics of RUclips University (where any troll can claim to be anything). The minute you talked about wrists hurting I knew you were about to explain how little you actually knew. You didn't disappoint because, like a spoiled child, you had to come back for more. Unlike a spoiled child it was because you foolish though you had watched enough videos to be a part of an adult conversation.
I used to build pallet rack and mezzanine systems. We used a corded Hilti hammer drill to bore for our concrete anchors. Broke a bit off on a piece of rebar and the end fit neatly into the square on the back of the socket that fit the anchor heads. That thing wouldn't just break a wrist, it would toss you like in a Seagal film.
Neither, get the mid tourqe that's actually designed for giant bolts so you stop snapping adapters every 10mins and smashing your ribcage lmao
Should have used an impact wrench. Impact driver with a hex adapter and socket, way too many wobbly moving parts. Too much loss of force.
big impact wrench is best, flies true them,
A lag screw like this is where a 3/8th drive impact wrench would shine over a impact driver as well.
You could squeeze a good smoke break in with that impact. I prefer the impact, but definitely can't argue which is faster.
Everyone is saying he's holding on for dear life with the drill or it'll snap your wrist, do these guys know how to adjust the clutch. The drill will always be faster and if you adjust the clutch it's not difficult to hold.
I know
Hope y’all don’t think that I care about the impact or the debate but just commenting on something I noticed, the impact seemed to be driving the lag with its own power while the drill seemed to have a lot of help from his other hand pushing down really hard. Not sure how much of a difference that made but still seemed like an uneven playing field. (I usually use my drill before my driver by the way. I think the drill is better for most jobs.)
Also wished he would stop using deep sockets for these demos so he wouldn’t have to start and stop so much.
Pushing down would actually hurt performance
Good to know
@@ToolswithSoAlzlol so WHY you pushing down so hard 😂🙈🤦♂️🤷♂️
Lol I'm beginning to think his videos are meant to be taken as a joke.
Yeah the driver takes and handles the torque better and they ratchet themselves to stop spinning when the bolt is in. Allows you to not snap your wrist or lose control and requires less energy.
to me i’ll use a impact for the short screws bc it’s just easier on the wrist, but if im drilling long screws through a high beam im picking that drill. it’s wayyyy easier and less tiring
Incoming impact boy tears 😂 debate is over, and was never a contest!
Imagine what would happen if I showed them how this would really be done. Lol
1 second difference
@@dakotadaulton3148 over the course of a whole day, it makes a difference
@KansasTools I don't care I ain't a carpenter I'm a ironworker
@@dakotadaulton3148 well thanks for disputing my comment from a point of view that makes no contribution to the video 👍🏼 you’re a winner
I use the drill for everything. No need for an impact driver
They both have their place
There are a lot of people that are on the opposite side i like an impact i use them for most all screws they really won me over replacing rotten wood on our deck and the impact was way better but i use a drill for drilling and i install tvs so i use a drill for thpse lags but thats mostly because im not trying to be extra loud just because and i knew the drill was faster even though the lags i am doing are much smaller but it is more work
Impact for me, it's just what I've always used and what works for me. I've used the drill a few times but I not to crazy about it but I do appreciate it's functions but bot enough to pick it over the impact plus the impact has a sexy look to it just looks nice lol
Noob
How can people actually prefer an impact over a drill for large lag screws? If the impact is all you have then just use it but if you have a drill and care about speed, use the drill.
For those larger lag screws like these, an impact wrench is the way to go. Impact drivers have fast and soft impacts and impact wrenches have slow and hard impacts.
@@davidperry4013 idk bro everyone has a different approach I guess. A drill is just faster so in my mind, it's the way to go.
Dude was holdin on to that drill for dear life.
K
You're absolutely right, I've known since I started construction you're right, however, I do like my wrist in one piece.
I use a drill all day everyday to drive 100's if not 1000's of fasteners a day. I have an impact but don't ever use it. My body is fine and wrist is fine. I refrained from saying this in other comments but MAN THE F$&K UP if you think a 20v drill is a workout to use. What is wrong with you guys? My Great Grandfather built houses till the day he died in the 80's. He never used a power tool, ever. Hand drills, hammers, hand saw... He was a damn machine. I equate this to younger mechanics that have to were gloves and have trick to keep oil off their hands when changing oil. Get your damn hand dirty, your a mechanic, grow up, man up, shut up, do the job, and do it right (not that using a driver is wrong).
The drill clearly wins but it’s much harder to hold and the machine is getting hammered. The impact just does it’s stuff. No stress and the machine won’t fall apart in a couple of weeks.
I’m here before the… “But the pilot hole + the fast forwarded footage + my other excuses + why is this so important to you even though I’ve complained every video because it’s important to me ” … 😂
You're too late. It's already started
To each their own - two different tools. Outcome was as expected.
Impact drivers are no longer the go to on job sites, the noise is ridiculous, and the drill does everything. They are really just a marketing thing to inexperienced tradesmen thinking they need one.
Agreed
Drill for driving into wood and soft materials. Impact for driving into metal and concrete.
At this point I'd literally just get a 1/2in mid tourqe because that regular drill isn't gonna put up with that forever and the socket adapters always break anyway
That really sucks when they break off flush and can't get the damn things out
Imagine driving lag bolts all day long. At the end of the day, I believe you'd be way more fatigued using the drill vs the impact. True the drill may be faster, but at what cost...?
You were holding the impact lightly with one hand while you were pushing with both hands with the drill... so I mean..
ONE-KEY Bluetooth system is interesting! I went for one of those as an Impact Driver! 👌
Use a drill when dealing with wood and an impact when dealing with metal. I thought everybody knew that
A drill is actually better in each circumstance. A drill, Speed 2, feather the trigger, will still beat an impact in metal. Unless you're talking about self-tappers.
@ToolswithSoAlz yeah I was talking self tappers a drill typically snaps them, and an impact is way better at locking bolts down
The key with these tools is to know from experience what to use when
So I got a somewhat new m12 impact great for what I need I made the mistake to start with the m18 brushless they’ve been solid but I think I want to upgrade but maybe just the drill I think my m12 fuel and m18 brushless impact should be fine but my drill is starting to break down
Why would anyone want to impact a lag bolt in? Impacts are for loosening difficult nuts, that's why there's so much hubbub about nut-busting torque. The impact driver doesn't make much sense to me and will require adapters to remove nuts in an engine bay, thus lengthening the tool significantly. Just get a compact impact WRENCH and use a drill to install lags.
Bro u putting all ur weight on the drill to prove ur point funny af
So you're so dumb that you believe pushing down made the drill spin faster and the wood softer
Bro put his entire soul behind that drill lmao impact won
Ma'am you don't even know how a screw works
Should have put a impact gun with a 1/2 inch drive up agaisnt it. The driver is for deck screws.
Already did
Neither of those tools were really intended on that application. A drill is for drilling holes, and a 1/4" impact driver is for small screws. Sure, both could do the job, but the impact driver is underpowered, and you are about to shit your pants with how hard you tense while trying to control the drill. A 1/2" impact wrench would be better suited for those screws/bolts.
You're wrong
Prob could've done that lag faster with the m12 hammer drill than the m18 impact and I do enjoy all milwaukee impacts and drills but facts are facts.
Yes sir
I noticed this when driving big lags into 6x6's this summer, my impact was taking forever and often couldn't even drive it all the way in, but my 1/2" drill sent them right in way faster. Surprised me.
Drill is designed for this
They have their own uses. When I'm on a ladder 20 feet in the air, I don't wanna fight that torque on the drill. Unless you're production pushing out 100's of units a day. Saving 10 minutes over the course of the entire day isn't really worth the strain the drill puts on your wrist, forearm, or side as you used here
Impact way better if you have weak arms and wrists and get paid by the hour.
But come on!..... You are really going to tell me that it's not fun using the impact though?
No one gonna talk about how he flippantly held the impact and went whole ass behind the drill…. Good show and tell Dunce.
Ma'am do you think pushing down made the drill spin faster or the wood softer? Otherwise you just need to tell yourself these excuses because you aren't man enough to accept the results.
Almost thought you were walking away when you were using the impact😅😅
Simp Systems ok
Your right on paper but in the field I'm grabbing an impact all day. Especially for overhead work. That's why alot of guys like using an impact for drilling holes when they can. Just easier on your body
It should be called: “One hand with the Impact Driver VS Full two hand body weight push down on the Drill.”
It should be called people who make excuses to avoid accepting what they saw. Here's how sad the excuse is. Does pushing down make the drill spin faster or the wood softer? Yeah
Lol I have both and the impact is what I use for the light work, every so often I use the drill for drilling and using the wire brush to clean things
Took 20 seconds for the impact, and 11 seconds with the drill. Nearly half the time. Nice.
The problem is the 1/4” impact is just flat out the wrong tool for the job. Any framer worth his salt uses the 1/2” mid torque to drive lags over 1/4”.
The debate was never about what’s faster. It’s about what more convenient and efficient. The amount it takes you to switch out your bit every time you switch to something I would already have it done.
They are built for different purposes. Where the impact is slower it’s friendly but j your wrist since the torque disappear in the impact motion and the drill is faster but gives you all the torque demanding you to putt both hands and in this case even your hip to hold the force.
You should do a test doing the same exact thing in this vid but use both with 1 hand
Shut up! Stupid excuses are for losers
The impact starts off quicker.. so if your only drilling 20mm screws all day.. it can be better because it's lighter
I use Milwaukee 1/2" drive M18 impact ,or the Dewalt version depending on who's tool I'm using . They drive lags way faster than a drill or impact driver.
I thought a few times , would an impact driver be better than my electric screwdriver? Your videos have made up my mind. My blue Bosch is small,powerful and has a clutch. My combi drill does nust about everything. I only use an SDS for for core drilling
Although, you can see an obvious difference in the how fast it is, it doesn’t mean impact drivers aren’t any good. I think tool has it’s uniqueness, place and time for its use.
I find hammer drills are useful and drilling dense wood such as studs and impact drivers and good with smaller nails. Both serves good purposes.
It's so amazing how people to this day still have no freaking clue what he impact driver is really for. Got people are stupid
Why so much pressure on your drill as opposed to the impact?
Lol! Do you think it made the drill spin faster or the wood softer?
Since I started watching you now whenever I'm about to reach for my impact I start hearing you in my head like "Impacts are small fasteners only... only.. only...."
"The drill is the superior tool.. tool. tool..."
So yea I use my drill a lot more now, lmao
Have you regretted that decision even once?
@@ToolswithSoAlz Haha not yet. It's definitely a more versatile tool 👍
@curtisyue182 I'm glad I could help
3 MAIN and very important reasons for using an impact for screws:
1. safety for your wrist
2. convenience simplicity - compact form & easy to change bits
3. It doesn't destroy your screw head if you slip on a Pozi or Philips
Drill is ok for this huge screw with hex head as you can't destroy the head, BUT you still need to hang on to it for dear life with your whole body as it generates a huge friction.
For normal regular smaller screws the speed difference is lost.
So just keep impact for screwing and drill for drilling. It's in the name.
K
I think what makes some people leery or cautious of using a drill driver vs an impact driver is the drill driver can have kickback. But they also have stabilizer bars on the newer drill drivers to avoid kickback.
I don’t have much of a stake in this debate, I use both a drill driver and an impact driver for different reasons but I can see your point about the speed of the drill driver.
We've all known this for years , the impact driver is far easier on your wrist and forearm. But u know that right ?
They are for different thinks. Impacts for mechanical and mechanics. Drinks for woodworking or all other stuff
For me, it depends on the situation, at the top of a step ladder you can’t always hold a drill steady for example.
Ok
What no one likes to say is the impact once it hits bottom will keep ripping that bolt around and the drill stops dead
If I ever have to use lags they are pre drilled and power lags, those smaller coated ones with the massive torques bit. It seems my battery’s last longer using the impact. Just my experience
Yea the bolt is too big for that size of impact try using a drill
I love how the impact he let the light weight of it do the work. But the drill he went full on using both hands pushing it down as hard as you can. yeah it’s not much but it would be a little closer times if you have the same pressure and hold on both
Ma'am you should ask your husband how a screw works
It’s like people have forgotten the purpose of an impact to begin with. Cordless impacts were designed to prevent cam out and give you the best fastener turn rate with the trade off of overall power. A lag will never cam out and drills are made for high torque @ lower speeds. Idk why everyone seems shocked by this
Absolutely
Who cares the impact sounds way cooler!
99% of those who buy Impact drivers as carpenters have no idea what the machine's purpose is for.
Embarrassing that you call yourselves professionals workers.
If I saw a carpenter with an Impact driver at my construction site, he would not have a job there after, would have to go home without pay.
Idiocy should not pay
The mistake is thinking there’s a debate at all each is better at something than the other. There’s never a better tool or brand it’s all about what fits you best.
Ever read the comments?
A 1/4 inch hex shank has no business driving a fastener that big. Thats like using a 1/4 breaker bar to take off lug nuts.