Just to add some context to history prior to the Japanese colonization. Taiwan is the home of the Austronesian speaking peoples who were isolated on the island since the last ice age. Around 5000 years ago they began a rapid ocean migration southwards and eventually became island South East Asians, Melanesians, Micronesians, Polynesians, and expanded as far east as Rapa Nui, and far south as New Zealand, and as far west as Madagascar. The Europeans were the first people to have confirmed documentation of Taiwan, and the Dutch and the Spanish subsequently colonized Southern and Northern Taiwan. The Dutch were eventually driven out of their Southern Taiwan stronghold by an exiled Ming China loyalist, often referred to as Koxinga. His grandson then surrendered to the Qing navy. The Qing government controlled a small portion of Taiwan, limited to pockets of West Coast Taiwan, with most of the lands still controlled by the Indigenous Peoples. That's why when the American merchant ship the Rover sank near present day Kenting and was raided by a Paiwan village under the control of the Seqalu tribal alliance, the Qing government refused to mount a rescue mission, telling the American councilor that it was beyond Qing territory. That resulted in the Charles Le Gendre making the Treaty of South Cape with the Seqalu leader Grand-chief Cuqicuq Garuljigulj. After the Rover incident, the Qing government attempted to subjugate the rest of Taiwan, but the situation remained largely the same when the Qing ceded Taiwan permanently to Japan in the Treaty of Shimonoseki in 1895. Even the Japanese government with their modern army spent nearly 20 years to subjugate the rest of central and eastern Taiwan. So it's hard to say that the island was "Chinese for a very long time". A lot of the forced Sinification was done post War World 2, when Chiang Kai-shek illegally annexed Taiwan, which was and still is a territory separated from an enemy state as the result of WW2, and is promised UN trusteeship by Article 77 of the UN Charter. CKS committed massacres of Taiwanese elites, as well as cultural genocide that included very successful attempts to wipe out all native languages of Taiwan. Most Formosan Austronesian languages, as well as Sinitic languages such as Taigi (Taiwanese Holo), and Taiwanese Hakka are on the brink of extinction within 40 years.
Thank you very much for your support, despite our errors and misunderstandings. I think being foreigners from the US and searching in English, we definitely got a different set of information than what may be available if you could read/search in Taiwanese or Chinese. We did try to find accurate, unbiased information, but it seems it really wasn't something we could find from the surface level. We are very interested in history and appreciative of those willing to help us learn more. It wasn't until we posted this and got comments like yours that we realized that we left out some relevant information and didn't quite get the full scope of what happened in Taiwan. So THANK YOU again for sharing all of this. I hope it helps anyone interested in Taiwan's history to discover more than we did. We definitely realize that Taiwan's history is extremely complex and has different versions depending on where you access it - all of which need to be considered and understood. Thanks again!
I remember when i was there the hotel reception was like 60 and she told me she can speak mandarin, japanese, and Taiwanese 3 languages because of all the different invasions it amazing wow.
Another great episode, great sight seeing, lots of great food, I enjoyed it so much just like I was there visiting with you guys ….thousand thumbs up 👍
I wished I have watch your entire series before heading to Taipei. You have delved quite comprehensively on the various districts of Taipei and I want to congratulate you both for the excellent effort in producing this video series. It is obvious that you are positive in attempt to cross into a different culture and learn to appreciate the different taste of food and cultural experience. Kudos to both of you.
Thank you so much! I am so happy to hear you enjoyed it - we noticed there was not big comprehensive guide to Taipei so we wanted to make one! We unfortunately did misunderstand a bit of the complex history - as you can see in this video, but by making it we learned a lot! :)
I'm amazed by the variety of delicious food you have in Taipei! The people there must be cursed to gluttony, but I'm not complaining. I can't wait to come back and try more.
Love this video! I grew up in Taipei and Zhongzheng district was where I went to high school and college, so watching you explore the area and enjoying local foods brings back my good memories! Also so good to see you enjoy the scallion cakes, especially this: 4:22 - the "scallion bun" (we call it "pepper cake"), with a crispy outside and juicy pork and scallion inside. That's also my fav snack and a must-try when I go home to visit. Now I can't wait to go back again this year! I like the quality of your videos and the brief narrative about the history of a place you visit; also always got a kick out of how much you enjoy local foods and your lively personalities. Keep it up!
Thank you so much! So happy you enjoyed it! It must have been a really cool place to attend college! Alan especially loved the pepper buns!! Do you have a favorite place?? Thanks again!!
@@IfWeGoTo Yes, my fav pepper buns are Fuzhou Pepper Buns; they have a booth both in Shilin night market and Raohe night market. IMO they are the best in terms of size, texture, and flavors! And yes my high school is an all-girls high school located right next to the President's Office! (You probably saw those girls wearing uniforms with green tops and black skirts)!
Ahhh yes!! we tried them at both!! So good! :D I think Shilin had the best ones!! Oh thats amazing!! We love hearing from people who've lived there and experienced it!!
That 'hole-in-the-wall' restaurant looked much nicer than many of the 'hole-in-the-wall' restaurants I had been to in Taipei, although I never found one that served bad food, always quite good actually. When I lived there in the 70's I had a favorite little noodle shop at the bottom of the hill of Wellington Heights in Beitou. I would often have the school bus drop me off at the bottom of the hill just to get some of their noodles.
Hi I enjoy watching all yr Taiwan videos, very informative. I love your backpack, can you please tell me which brand, model is the backpack and where can I buy it, TIA.
Actually, Formosa did not get "returned" to China because it has never been part of China in the first place even though it had been made in to a province of the Manchu Empire between 1885 and 1895. In 1945 general Douglas MacArthur ordered the ROC troops to set up a temporary administration in Taipei to replace the surrendering Japanese administration in the same order that set up a temporary Okinawan government. It was a temporary arrangement that lasted to this day by virtue of the Communist Revolution.
@@3yexQSx , The so called ROC constitution was written by a Chinese-only General Assembly without any Taiwanese participation and it includes Tibet, Mongolia and large swaths of Russia in its territorial claims. It's a relic that has nothing to do with Taiwan which was part of Japan until Sept 8th 1951 when it was released from the Japanese territory and became an independent country. Whatever treaty Japan signs after that date means nothing to Taiwan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/229-Treaty-of-Peace-with-Japan.pdf
@@3yexQSx , So you understand now that Taiwan was given up by Japan in a treaty with the winner of the Pacific Campaign which was the USA. All of you have no say in Taiwan's affairs.
@@3yexQSx , Liar, ROC took nothing. The US ordered Chiang's troops to set up a temporary administration on Formosa in the same General Order Number One as the order to occupy Vietnam. USN even ferried Chinese troops since there was no Chinese ship available. Chiang retreated from Vietnam as ordered but he remained in Formosa on the pretense to quell the 228 uprising which he attributed to Communist infiltration and was given a pass. Either way, you guys had no role in Taiwan's past and will not have any say in Taiwan's future.
@@3yexQSx , you have been following the Chinese playbook to the T. And just to show you how stupid your gangster of a government is, I am going by your logic. Let's say that your ancestors bought a homestead thousand years ago and CCP came and took as its own in the name of the Proletariat. Then the Party sells the administrative rights of your ancestors' homestead back for you to live in for seventy years. Then your local Party signed a treaty with your neighbor acknowledging your neighbor's claim that he owns your ancestor's property. Does your neighbor have the rights to kick your family out? That's the kind of stupidity your Party is teaching you. Neither the US nor China owns Taiwan's sovereignty so whatever you say is irrelevant.
@7:40 What's funny is that the most common unit for large land area in Taiwan is 甲, which is read as kah in Taigi, which came from the Dutch word akker, which is the Dutch word for acre. That unit of land area is a remnant of Dutch colonial rule. Although akker is cognate with acre, it is more similar in size to (0.9699 of) a hectare. Taiwan's measurement for area inside a house, 坪 (pînn) came from the Japanese measurement tsubo, written with the same Hanji.
I see comments disputing the history of Taiwan, but as many have mentioned, the history is complicated and changes depending on where the source of the information comes from. As important as history is, I’m not here for that. I’m here for the views of the sceneries and food 😅! Check and check! Can you do a Q&A on how you plan your travels to foreign countries? Using your trip to Taiwan as an example would ould be perfect! Although I was born in Taiwan, I have never traveled back as an adult nor have I ever explored it like you have. I want to go back to Taiwan, but am intimidated because I have no idea where to go, how to get around, restrictions post pandemic😊, and my Mandarin and Taiwanese is not very good.
Thanks so much for understanding! It can definitely be hard for visitors that speak a different language (and therefore may get limited information as-is!), to be able to really dive deep into the research and understand the nuances and intricacies of the history. We did go off of the available tourism/government websites when reading about Taiwan, thinking it was pretty reliable... but only later we learned and that it's pretty biased and really only shows one side of the history, largely thanks to feedback on our videos. I'm glad you can appreciate that as well as the other parts of the video we did not totally mess up on! hahaha. Also, I love the idea of a Q&A type video on trip planning!! I just wrote out some ideas for that because we do want to incorporate more tutorials and guides into the channel!! Will have to get to work on that! Thanks again for your understanding and support!! :D
@@IfWeGoTo Thank you for replying! I see that you are interactive with your viewers, and that is very much appreciated! I've been sick and bed ridden from work these past few days and your videos are the silver lining to staying home! I love how you made different videos for different areas you visited in Taiwan. The footages from each video captures the essence, but the editing of your recordings really ties everything together. I may have missed the information, but how long were you in Taiwan for? And what months were you there? We are thinking about traveling to Taiwan next year in mid-September for my birthday, but we are also trying to plan around the rain/humidity if possible.
That makes me so happy to hear that you guys appreciate it too!! Thank you! :D I hope you get well soon, getting sick is no fun! We're getting over a cold ourselves - there is something going around. It is NOT fun! hahaha, We visited Taiwan from early March to May of this year! So just about 2 months I believe! We filmed a large backlog knowing we would have to take a pause on travel for a sick family member, I think a trip out to Taiwan would be lovely!! I believe September is a nice time to visit and you'd be nearing the end of the rainy season... it is very hard to predict weather though!! hahah.
Quick tip on pronunciation: "zh" is pronounced like a combination of "ch" and "j", but 99% of the time if you just pronounce it like a "j" you'll be close enough. So saying it "jongjeng" would get you a lot closer than trying to literally say "z" as it's spelled. Also you guys got the greatest hits at the night market. The sweet potato balls are called "di gua qiu", and the scallion burrito thing is called "zhua bing". Both are SUPER popular and considered icons of Taiwanese street food.
Ahh thank you!! Hopefully you can forgive our terrible pronunciations! lol. The food was so good!! Thanks for sharing how to say the names with us too! :D
@@IfWeGoTo By the way, don't get frustrated by the comments giving you a hard time about specific historical terminology or events in the history of Taiwan/ROC. We know your heart is in the right place and I can tell you're doing your best to educate us as objectively and truthfully as you can. The fact is, the history is very complicated and almost every single major event was fraught with overlapping political interests. Consider China, Taiwan, the imperial era transitioning to the KMT, the Japanese occupation, the PRC revolution, the KMT diaspora to Taiwan, the treatment of aboriginal people, the concept of two Chinas vs one China vs maybe Taiwan should have its own identity completely distinct from China...all of this is reflected in the language, the food, the architecture, social norms and government policies...nothing is black and white and there are no easy answers. CKS was both a national hero and a harsh dictator. KMT's actions in the early days were both brutal and necessary to establish national unity during a wartime crisis. Japanese occupation was both oppressive and also a vital contributor to Taiwan's explosive modernization. Some Taiwanese love Japan and some will never forgive them. Some love the KMT and others think their time has passed. Some want Taiwan to be recognized as the "true China" and others want a new and unique Taiwanese identity. It's confusing! You're doing an awesome job sharing your Taiwan experience with us and you've offered lots of meaningful and accurate information. Sending you a strong endorsement from a Taiwanese-American!
@its_clean Oh thank you so much for writing this, this comment means a lot. I know people can be (understandably) very sensitive about history. I'm glad you can see what our intentions were when creating this - to educate as objectively and as simply as possible... I definitely realize using China as a general term to describe both modern day China and China's history is seen as very incorrect in Taiwan. I wish we had more accurately described it as the Qing dynasty. I also wish we had covered more about Taiwan's history going beyond that period, because it is entirely relevant. That was a failure on our part. We're still learning, we'll do better next time... but that said, we always hope people using RUclips take what a couple of random people say with a grain of salt. lol You definitely have said it best.. Taiwan's history is extremely complex and has so many different influences. I know it is relatively recent and so relevant to the tensions happening today. I entirely understand why people are so passionate about it. There's just no way as visitors we'll ever truly understand it, nor be able to cover it in a video. It is confusing. There are tons of different versions out there, and different opinions about it. We fully expected pushback... we have received a lot just for recognizing Taiwan. Shoot, we get a lot of pushback for things that aren't even important at all! Anyways, THANK YOU again for your support and realizing our intentions really were to inspire some interest in Taiwan and its history from people back home - in terms that they'd easily understand...
Hello, I just wanted to say that I enjoyed your videos on Taiwan very much. The history of Taiwan is a very sensitive subject, and because of the complicated history (or say relentless threats from CCP), any touch on Taiwanese history without very precise terms is bound to get backlash, and I hope if comments get irrational, you could just brush it off. Even among Taiwanese people, our versions of history differ, depending on what materials we read and how we were taught. To me, it is pointless over-criticizing travelers for sharing what they know. Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed your stay. The East coast and southern Taiwan are also worth exploring!
@@IfWeGoTo Totally! I think you two did a great job explaining the history and showing respect for the country, so don't mind the "backlash". It's complicated and some people get very emotional and heated when it comes to Taiwanese v.s. Chinese. But they actually do not represent everyone there! I for one don't get offended when people call me Chinese, because my dad is from China and my mom is from Taiwan. I have family members (uncles, aunts, cousins, nieces, etc. ) in China. I love my family on both sides and am proud of my Chinese heritage and the Chinese cultural aspects. Some people might not want to have anything to do with China, but that's not the case with me and many of us that have similar backgrounds and upbringings.
Wow thank you! I know the history is far too complex to thoroughly explain in a short video, but we are glad you see our efforts. We tried to give the history in an unbiased way - because like you pointed out, there are so many nuances when it comes to history, cultural ties, etc... though we realize its far from complete.
Taiwan didn't decide to be come democratic in 1990. People of Taiwan fought against KMT for decades for democracy, a lot of people died or got blacklist and couldn't return back to Taiwan.
We were trying to give the briefest summary/introductions about some of the history of Taiwan and some of the events that happened…. Obviously we could never fit this all into a 17 minute video!! This was made with the casual viewer in mind (like our friends and family back in the USA who know very little about Taiwan) with some information and references for people who are interested in learning more to have a starting point to do their own research on the topic! We are by no means historians and are still learning ourselves, we just wanted to share a little bit of what we learned - we hope this doesn’t come off as diminishing to Taiwan’s complex history. We appreciate you sharing more about Taiwan’s history here in the comments!
It’s not too picky, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out in the comments!! I definitely realize we left out some important details in this one!
However, we will not blame you because of these complicated history. It's really hard to explain, not only in this short video, but also in our national identity. We still need to thank you to introduce these to the world.
thank you very much for recognizing our efforts. I know it is very complex and difficult to speak on, but as you said - it's important to be introduced to the world!
@veryinterestingpersonaliti8321 If you want to share the correct history, timeline, and point out what we misspoke on or misunderstood in a comment, I'll pin it. But we've yet to have anyone do that.
Actually some Taiwanese people do considered themselves Chinese. Just like the Chinese in Singapore or Chinese in Malaysia. You guys did a good job on explaining the complicated history of Taiwan.
Avoid sticking chopsticks directly into a bowl. In Chinese and Japanese cultures, sticking a pair of chopsticks straight up is meant as an offering to the deceased. While your chopsticks are angled, it's still frowned upon. Rather, lay it flat over the bowl or on the table.
It's not very accurate to say Taiwan was a part of China for a VERY long time. Taiwan was governed by China only in Qing dynasty for about 200 years, and only for the west coast. Mountain areas and the east coast were never part of Qing dynasty. Aboriginals have lived in Taiwan for thousands of years. Based on most research, Taiwan is probably the hometown (origin) for Austronesian peoples, including aboriginals in New Zealand and Madagascar.
@@IfWeGoTo If you haven't figured out by now (which I am sure you have), Taiwanese don't like Chinese. Too much bad blood between them. 400 years ago, the Chinese sold out our Ming loyalist ancestors to the Manchu invaders. The last descendant of the Ming emperor actually committed suicide in Taiwan in 1683, accompanied by his 5 concubines in a small town between Tainan and Kaoshiung. That was the start of a series of betrayals leading to the Manchu sellout of Taiwan in 1895 to Japan and 228 massacre in 1947 destroyed chance of reconciliation between Taiwanese and Chinese. Now the communist Chinese are threatening force from the other side agan. Needless to say, very little good will is left by this point.
@@raininthesouth Oh yes, and I completely understand given their history and the current situation. Thanks for sharing some of the older history, it goes to show these issues go way further back than what was covered in this video.
Hi!! Yes, I think most of the time it gives you enough info to correctly assume what the dish may be! Although sometimes it is horribly wrong! Lol We found in Taipei most restaurants also had English menus if you ask! Although some smaller/off the beaten path places may not!
A clarification on Taiwan's history: Taiwan was not handed back to China after WWII. The Treaty of SF which concluded WWII between the Allies with Japan made Japan relinquish Taiwan but it was not returned to China. Its future was to be determine at a future date and in accordance with the UN principle of self-determination, meaning it is up to the Taiwanese to decide their own future. Chiang Kai Shek, who was a staunch anti-communist, illegally occupied Taiwan after WWII by exploiting the US' fear of the spread of Communism in the early days of the Cold War.
@@IfWeGoTo Thank you for your mentioning of the brutality of the dictatorship under Chiang Kai Shek which saw tens of thousands of Taiwanese killed or imprisoned for speaking out against Chiang's government over 40 years of martial law.
@@haochengzhai7156 It's sad that there are people like you along with German and Japanese revisionists who refuse to accept atrocities in the face of clear, overwhelming evidence. No amount of evidence will clear your brainswashed minds.
@@3yexQSx Instead of listening to the BS you were fed by your KMT/waishenren parents, educate yourself. Maybe you'll learn something about Taiwan's history.
Actually Taiwan was also occupied why Manchu empire (ching dynasty of China). Then CKS occupied Taiwan again after the world war and took it as a base for them to fight back to mainland China. But they never did. So they settled down and claim Taiwan Republic of China
Glad you went to the 228 memorial! I always feel a little sour about the chiang kai shek memorial, because of his authoritarian rule over Taiwan at that time. So a visit to both is a good way to realize the complexity of the history. There actually used to be a tooon of Chiang kai shek statues (~43,000 according to Wikipedia)and they started removing and relocating them in the last two decades It’s also interesting to think about, but Taiwan was under martial law from 1949 to 1987! My parents would tell me stories about when they went to the US for grad school in the late 70s they had to be careful because there were KMT student spies even there. The democracy transition in the 90s may have been relatively peaceful in the 90s, but there was a lot leading up to it that wasn’t. My grandparents lived through 228 and during the white terror (which ended when martial law ended…so fairly recent when you think about it), and my grandma when looking though pictures or when walking through the cemetery would point out people/graves of classmates that disappeared during the period. Like one of them was a girl who had a brother who was mentally disabled, but accused as being a communist. So he disappeared, and so did her classmate for “harboring a communist (her brother)” Anyway, I appreciate your videos and that you spent more time in Taiwan than an average tourist, and therefore was really able to explore the different neighborhoods more
Oh yes, it was really good to visit these spots. To be honest, we did not really know how CKS was locally perceived when first visiting - especially with how grand the monument is. Definitely visiting both and eventually posting this (plus getting a LOT of feedback) really helped us learn far more than we did reading often biased summaries online. Thank you for sharing the stories from your parents and grandparents. It really brings in the human side to these stories and brings greater understanding to a situation that we definitely did not do justice in this video. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to share through your comment!
I’m sure even among Taiwanese some may care less than others about the memorial. There’s a strong sense of identity in Taiwan, some Taiwanese feel very strongly separate from a Chinese identity. Then some Chinese because their family immigrated to Taiwan as refugees still feel very connected to China and don’t feel Taiwanese. And aboriginals have their own opinion about it all. They don’t always line up with the pro independence parties the way you would think because their politics/needs are different I’m sure you got a ton of feedback! But hey, it’s a travel video, I don’t expect you to be able to cover everything. I’m just glad you’re open to reading about what happened. I think it’s always interesting to be able to see what influences each area has due to history
Yeah there are definitely a huge variety of experiences and opinions about these topics, it is part of what makes it very hard to talk about - especially online. Thanks for understanding the limitations of tourists and travel videos when it comes to these topics! It is interesting to visit and learn more about places like these!
228 and the white terror were the sorrow historical periods of Taiwan’s modern history. The famous comedian Atsukao Okatsuka is also a victim decent of this, and is also the reason why her family moved to US.
It is kind of weird to tell the viewers that @1:45 this is the national theater, national concert hall, and liberty gate again just a minute and a half later @3:15 tell us the same exact same thing again. I stopped watching at that point.
We did a quick intro, and then after visiting the memorial hall reintroduced and went a bit more in depth about each. We’re amateurs. We’re prone to amateur mistakes. You’re watching RUclips, not a professional production. If you can do it better, please do! But no need to leave rude comments like these. You can just leave. 👋
@@IfWeGoTo Sorry. I don't believe I said anything rude. I just mentioned that it was kind of weird to say the same thing twice. You wrote above, "...then after visiting the memorial hall reintroduced and went a bit more in depth about each." OK, I came back and watched the video again. Sorry. I'm really confused here. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but can you provide a time stamp in the video where you went into more depth on the national concert hall and national theater? @3:15 where you "reintroduced" as you say, but you didn't go into any more depth about the national concert hall or national theater at all, only the gate. You literally went to lunch after that. Perhaps you accidentally left that footage on the editing room floor? I don't know. I felt frustrated at the repetition and yet I was left wanting to learn more. That was why I stopped watching in the middle of the video. You know, most people on RUclips are happy to get feedback from their audience. They find the responses beneficial to improve their content. They get a better understanding of why viewership may drop off in the middle of the video. I was trying to be helpful.
After re-introducing them, we did mention that events are held there. There wasn’t a ton to say beyond that, then we moved on to the liberty arches. It was repetitive, but it felt like we needed to restate what each one was while we moved past them or went more in depth. Sometimes it’s hard to make a video flow in the edit after you’ve filmed something - and sometimes it just doesn’t come out as smoothly as you’d hoped! So you know, commenting your departure while complaining about something in someone’s creation is generally considered unnecessary and rude. It is better to leave no comment *or* if you want to leave constructive criticism that’s perfectly ok too, but this didn’t feel constructive. For us, we initially took it negatively… calling a slight blunder “weird” and saying that you stopped watching because of a small error in filming/editing did not feel helpful. In the future if you want people to take your comments positively and constructively, you could say: “I think next time you could have cut out where you said this twice, it felt a little bit redundant” or “as a viewer, I recommend mentioning each part one time only. It was a little confusing that you repeated it” or “I wish you had said more about the concert hall and theatre! I wanted to learn more!”. We’re more than happy to get feedback, but the person leaving it should be mindful of how they present it to the creator. These videos take a lot of work, research, and time to make. Plus it’s just hard to put yourself out there. It is easy to feel a bit beat down by criticism and negative comments. We are very appreciative of feedback and I’m sorry we didn’t take the cooler headed approach when initially responding to you. Unfortunately a lot of people who leave comments like yours haven’t been as kind to us…. I think it has just beat us down a bit over time. :( Anyways, thanks again for your feedback. We will be more cautious about it in future videos. I hope you take ours too!
Dude, Taiwan as part of China for very long time? Japan invaded Taiwan? Please get your fact straight. There is interesting book on the history of Taiwan - "A New Illustrated History of Taiwan" that I strongly recommend to you.
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Thank you very much!
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You can actually go inside the presidential palace during weekday morning for free.
That is awesome! Thanks for sharing! We’ll have to try to see it the next time we visit! 😃
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Great video! I also stayed in Zhongzheng district and just came back a week ago.
Thank you so much!! How did you enjoy the area?
Just to add some context to history prior to the Japanese colonization. Taiwan is the home of the Austronesian speaking peoples who were isolated on the island since the last ice age. Around 5000 years ago they began a rapid ocean migration southwards and eventually became island South East Asians, Melanesians, Micronesians, Polynesians, and expanded as far east as Rapa Nui, and far south as New Zealand, and as far west as Madagascar. The Europeans were the first people to have confirmed documentation of Taiwan, and the Dutch and the Spanish subsequently colonized Southern and Northern Taiwan. The Dutch were eventually driven out of their Southern Taiwan stronghold by an exiled Ming China loyalist, often referred to as Koxinga. His grandson then surrendered to the Qing navy.
The Qing government controlled a small portion of Taiwan, limited to pockets of West Coast Taiwan, with most of the lands still controlled by the Indigenous Peoples. That's why when the American merchant ship the Rover sank near present day Kenting and was raided by a Paiwan village under the control of the Seqalu tribal alliance, the Qing government refused to mount a rescue mission, telling the American councilor that it was beyond Qing territory. That resulted in the Charles Le Gendre making the Treaty of South Cape with the Seqalu leader Grand-chief Cuqicuq Garuljigulj.
After the Rover incident, the Qing government attempted to subjugate the rest of Taiwan, but the situation remained largely the same when the Qing ceded Taiwan permanently to Japan in the Treaty of Shimonoseki in 1895. Even the Japanese government with their modern army spent nearly 20 years to subjugate the rest of central and eastern Taiwan.
So it's hard to say that the island was "Chinese for a very long time". A lot of the forced Sinification was done post War World 2, when Chiang Kai-shek illegally annexed Taiwan, which was and still is a territory separated from an enemy state as the result of WW2, and is promised UN trusteeship by Article 77 of the UN Charter. CKS committed massacres of Taiwanese elites, as well as cultural genocide that included very successful attempts to wipe out all native languages of Taiwan. Most Formosan Austronesian languages, as well as Sinitic languages such as Taigi (Taiwanese Holo), and Taiwanese Hakka are on the brink of extinction within 40 years.
Thank you very much for your support, despite our errors and misunderstandings.
I think being foreigners from the US and searching in English, we definitely got a different set of information than what may be available if you could read/search in Taiwanese or Chinese. We did try to find accurate, unbiased information, but it seems it really wasn't something we could find from the surface level.
We are very interested in history and appreciative of those willing to help us learn more. It wasn't until we posted this and got comments like yours that we realized that we left out some relevant information and didn't quite get the full scope of what happened in Taiwan. So THANK YOU again for sharing all of this. I hope it helps anyone interested in Taiwan's history to discover more than we did. We definitely realize that Taiwan's history is extremely complex and has different versions depending on where you access it - all of which need to be considered and understood.
Thanks again!
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Great video. Like your history bits & that food!
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you so much! 🤗
Nice video! Very knowledgeable
Glad you think so! Thank you very much!
love the video, keep it up guys!
Thank you! Will do! :D
Finally waiting for your video. Nice to see you again.
南機場夜市是我最愛的，而我就住在河岸的對面。（湯圓.麻油雞.豆漿紅茶.蚵嗲.臭豆腐.魚蛋等等，是我每次去必定吃其中的幾樣食物。）
谢谢您的等待！！我们花了一些时间去看望家人，但很高兴能回来！
不知道我们有没有去那个夜市！听起来我们还有很多东西要探索！
Wow, nanjichang is local’s favorite compared to those more touristy ones. You guys are doing Taipei properly.
We loooved the food there!! And we tried to cover Taipei as well as we could! :D
So happy to see a new video of your Taiwan trip!😊
Thank you!! We took a little time off to see family, but we have more coming!! :D
Thanks for the excellent videos on Taiwan. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very very much!! We’re excited to keep making more! ❤️
I remember when i was there the hotel reception was like 60 and she told me she can speak mandarin, japanese, and Taiwanese 3 languages because of all the different invasions it amazing wow.
Wow! That’s crazy!!
When did you get to visit??
@@IfWeGoTo 2010 or 2011.
It’s crazy to think how relatively recent a lot of the history was!
@@IfWeGoTo yeah I find this really interesting too
It really shows how important is Taiwan on the Pacific geographic !!
不知不覺一系列的一直看下去 拍得真好😃
啊，谢谢你的好意的赞美！
很棒的體驗跟介紹~😘 玩得開心~
谢谢你！！
Another great episode, great sight seeing, lots of great food, I enjoyed it so much just like I was there visiting with you guys ….thousand thumbs up 👍
Thanks so much!! That makes us so happy to hear that you enjoyed it!! And felt like you were along!! :D
I wished I have watch your entire series before heading to Taipei. You have delved quite comprehensively on the various districts of Taipei and I want to congratulate you both for the excellent effort in producing this video series. It is obvious that you are positive in attempt to cross into a different culture and learn to appreciate the different taste of food and cultural experience. Kudos to both of you.
Thank you so much! I am so happy to hear you enjoyed it - we noticed there was not big comprehensive guide to Taipei so we wanted to make one! We unfortunately did misunderstand a bit of the complex history - as you can see in this video, but by making it we learned a lot! :)
I just went to Taipei in the summer and been to some of the places, your video is very well made, oozes professional quality. Great job!
Wow thank you so much!! Your compliment means a lot to us!! :D
Did you have a good trip to Taipei??
謝謝分享;平安喜樂，順心如意。
谢谢你！！
I'm amazed by the variety of delicious food you have in Taipei! The people there must be cursed to gluttony, but I'm not complaining. I can't wait to come back and try more.
It is definitely hard not to overdo it there!! 😂 when are you planning another visit?
@@IfWeGoTo In January 2024. Your videos will be important guides!
@@RM-hu9sd ohh that will be an awesome time!! If you ever need tips or anything don’t hesitate to reach out! 😊
I know this noodles store, I ate many times! It’s dumplings really good 👍. Close to 小南門 MRT
Yes it is! Glad you know the place!!!
In fact, the presidential palace can be visited at a specific time.
Thanks for sharing!!
WELCOME to Taiwan!!👏🇹🇼👍
Hope you have a nice trip!!
Thank you!!
有很長時間沒有您們視頻很開心又可以看到了
很高兴你很高兴再次看到它！我们花了一点时间去看望家人！我们还有更多有关台湾的视频即将推出！
@@IfWeGoTo Yes ♥♥♥
Presentation well done! ❤
Thank you! Cheers!
Your introduction to Taiwan's history is very detailed. Looking forward to your next video.👍
Thank you! 😃 Glad you enjoyed it!!
Love this video! I grew up in Taipei and Zhongzheng district was where I went to high school and college, so watching you explore the area and enjoying local foods brings back my good memories! Also so good to see you enjoy the scallion cakes, especially this: 4:22 - the "scallion bun" (we call it "pepper cake"), with a crispy outside and juicy pork and scallion inside. That's also my fav snack and a must-try when I go home to visit. Now I can't wait to go back again this year! I like the quality of your videos and the brief narrative about the history of a place you visit; also always got a kick out of how much you enjoy local foods and your lively personalities. Keep it up!
Thank you so much! So happy you enjoyed it! It must have been a really cool place to attend college! Alan especially loved the pepper buns!! Do you have a favorite place??
Thanks again!!
@@IfWeGoTo Yes, my fav pepper buns are Fuzhou Pepper Buns; they have a booth both in Shilin night market and Raohe night market. IMO they are the best in terms of size, texture, and flavors! And yes my high school is an all-girls high school located right next to the President's Office! (You probably saw those girls wearing uniforms with green tops and black skirts)!
Ahhh yes!! we tried them at both!! So good! :D I think Shilin had the best ones!!
Oh thats amazing!! We love hearing from people who've lived there and experienced it!!
厲害，南機場夜市是本地人喜歡的夜市，沒有那麼多觀光客。
哦，这是一个很棒的夜市！
介紹的很棒, 影片拍的很好.
謝謝你! 😃
很棒的視頻，歡迎來到台灣❤❤
非常感謝！
That 'hole-in-the-wall' restaurant looked much nicer than many of the 'hole-in-the-wall' restaurants I had been to in Taipei, although I never found one that served bad food, always quite good actually. When I lived there in the 70's I had a favorite little noodle shop at the bottom of the hill of Wellington Heights in Beitou. I would often have the school bus drop me off at the bottom of the hill just to get some of their noodles.
The views very beautiful
It is definitely a beautiful country!
Hi I enjoy watching all yr Taiwan videos, very informative. I love your backpack, can you please tell me which brand, model is the backpack and where can I buy it, TIA.
Hi!! Thank you so much! So happy you have enjoyed them!!
The backpack is a Lowepro PhotoSport BP, I believe it is the 24L version! It’s a great bag!
Actually, Formosa did not get "returned" to China because it has never been part of China in the first place even though it had been made in to a province of the Manchu Empire between 1885 and 1895. In 1945 general Douglas MacArthur ordered the ROC troops to set up a temporary administration in Taipei to replace the surrendering Japanese administration in the same order that set up a temporary Okinawan government. It was a temporary arrangement that lasted to this day by virtue of the Communist Revolution.
@@3yexQSx , The so called ROC constitution was written by a Chinese-only General Assembly without any Taiwanese participation and it includes Tibet, Mongolia and large swaths of Russia in its territorial claims. It's a relic that has nothing to do with Taiwan which was part of Japan until Sept 8th 1951 when it was released from the Japanese territory and became an independent country. Whatever treaty Japan signs after that date means nothing to Taiwan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/229-Treaty-of-Peace-with-Japan.pdf
@@3yexQSx , So you understand now that Taiwan was given up by Japan in a treaty with the winner of the Pacific Campaign which was the USA. All of you have no say in Taiwan's affairs.
@@3yexQSx , Liar, ROC took nothing. The US ordered Chiang's troops to set up a temporary administration on Formosa in the same General Order Number One as the order to occupy Vietnam. USN even ferried Chinese troops since there was no Chinese ship available. Chiang retreated from Vietnam as ordered but he remained in Formosa on the pretense to quell the 228 uprising which he attributed to Communist infiltration and was given a pass. Either way, you guys had no role in Taiwan's past and will not have any say in Taiwan's future.
@@3yexQSx , you have been following the Chinese playbook to the T. And just to show you how stupid your gangster of a government is, I am going by your logic. Let's say that your ancestors bought a homestead thousand years ago and CCP came and took as its own in the name of the Proletariat. Then the Party sells the administrative rights of your ancestors' homestead back for you to live in for seventy years. Then your local Party signed a treaty with your neighbor acknowledging your neighbor's claim that he owns your ancestor's property. Does your neighbor have the rights to kick your family out? That's the kind of stupidity your Party is teaching you. Neither the US nor China owns Taiwan's sovereignty so whatever you say is irrelevant.
Your video makes me miss Taiwan.
@@IfWeGoTo 30 yrs.
Well I know you miss Taiwan and nothing could ever replace it, but I hope the USA has treated you well too. :)
@@IfWeGoTo yes. Enjoyed the not hot summer here. Hiking is fun.
@7:40 What's funny is that the most common unit for large land area in Taiwan is 甲, which is read as kah in Taigi, which came from the Dutch word akker, which is the Dutch word for acre. That unit of land area is a remnant of Dutch colonial rule. Although akker is cognate with acre, it is more similar in size to (0.9699 of) a hectare. Taiwan's measurement for area inside a house, 坪 (pînn) came from the Japanese measurement tsubo, written with the same Hanji.
外國人去南機場夜市，真的很內行！旅途愉快！
It was awesome!! So much tasty food! Thank you!! :D
You can go inside actually. You can’t really film during the tour but you can totally go in.
It would be really cool to see! Thanks for sharing!!
帥哥.美女~拍很好!!謝謝您們愛台灣..
感谢您对贵国的热情欢迎！
白色恐怖事件是228事件的後續延伸事件。
台灣近代政治史很複雜，難以簡單說明，但無論如何，台灣是一個主權獨立、民主自由及思想開放的國家，歡迎來到美麗的福爾摩沙之島，請好好的享受它！😁👍
感谢您澄清这些事件的顺序！值得赞赏！
你可以说中华民国是一个国家，台湾不是。台湾只是个地名。台湾从来没有宣布过建国，没有过宪法，没有过外交承认。如果你想台湾是一个国家，可以，推翻中华民国，宣告建立台湾共和国。否则你就是违宪。
I see comments disputing the history of Taiwan, but as many have mentioned, the history is complicated and changes depending on where the source of the information comes from. As important as history is, I’m not here for that. I’m here for the views of the sceneries and food 😅! Check and check!
Can you do a Q&A on how you plan your travels to foreign countries? Using your trip to Taiwan as an example would ould be perfect! Although I was born in Taiwan, I have never traveled back as an adult nor have I ever explored it like you have. I want to go back to Taiwan, but am intimidated because I have no idea where to go, how to get around, restrictions post pandemic😊, and my Mandarin and Taiwanese is not very good.
Thanks so much for understanding! It can definitely be hard for visitors that speak a different language (and therefore may get limited information as-is!), to be able to really dive deep into the research and understand the nuances and intricacies of the history.
We did go off of the available tourism/government websites when reading about Taiwan, thinking it was pretty reliable... but only later we learned and that it's pretty biased and really only shows one side of the history, largely thanks to feedback on our videos.
I'm glad you can appreciate that as well as the other parts of the video we did not totally mess up on! hahaha.
Also, I love the idea of a Q&A type video on trip planning!! I just wrote out some ideas for that because we do want to incorporate more tutorials and guides into the channel!! Will have to get to work on that!
Thanks again for your understanding and support!! :D
@@IfWeGoTo Thank you for replying! I see that you are interactive with your viewers, and that is very much appreciated! I've been sick and bed ridden from work these past few days and your videos are the silver lining to staying home! I love how you made different videos for different areas you visited in Taiwan. The footages from each video captures the essence, but the editing of your recordings really ties everything together.
I may have missed the information, but how long were you in Taiwan for? And what months were you there?
We are thinking about traveling to Taiwan next year in mid-September for my birthday, but we are also trying to plan around the rain/humidity if possible.
That makes me so happy to hear that you guys appreciate it too!! Thank you! :D
I hope you get well soon, getting sick is no fun! We're getting over a cold ourselves - there is something going around. It is NOT fun! hahaha,
We visited Taiwan from early March to May of this year! So just about 2 months I believe! We filmed a large backlog knowing we would have to take a pause on travel for a sick family member,
I think a trip out to Taiwan would be lovely!! I believe September is a nice time to visit and you'd be nearing the end of the rainy season... it is very hard to predict weather though!! hahah.
you can visit the prisdent house during opening day, I think it's sunday or saturday, can't remember cause I'm not interested in that
Hahah, well we appreciate you sharing that it is open! hopefully people who are interested can use your tips!
Quick tip on pronunciation: "zh" is pronounced like a combination of "ch" and "j", but 99% of the time if you just pronounce it like a "j" you'll be close enough. So saying it "jongjeng" would get you a lot closer than trying to literally say "z" as it's spelled.
Also you guys got the greatest hits at the night market. The sweet potato balls are called "di gua qiu", and the scallion burrito thing is called "zhua bing". Both are SUPER popular and considered icons of Taiwanese street food.
Ahh thank you!! Hopefully you can forgive our terrible pronunciations! lol.
The food was so good!! Thanks for sharing how to say the names with us too! :D
@@IfWeGoTo By the way, don't get frustrated by the comments giving you a hard time about specific historical terminology or events in the history of Taiwan/ROC. We know your heart is in the right place and I can tell you're doing your best to educate us as objectively and truthfully as you can. The fact is, the history is very complicated and almost every single major event was fraught with overlapping political interests.
Consider China, Taiwan, the imperial era transitioning to the KMT, the Japanese occupation, the PRC revolution, the KMT diaspora to Taiwan, the treatment of aboriginal people, the concept of two Chinas vs one China vs maybe Taiwan should have its own identity completely distinct from China...all of this is reflected in the language, the food, the architecture, social norms and government policies...nothing is black and white and there are no easy answers. CKS was both a national hero and a harsh dictator. KMT's actions in the early days were both brutal and necessary to establish national unity during a wartime crisis. Japanese occupation was both oppressive and also a vital contributor to Taiwan's explosive modernization. Some Taiwanese love Japan and some will never forgive them. Some love the KMT and others think their time has passed. Some want Taiwan to be recognized as the "true China" and others want a new and unique Taiwanese identity. It's confusing!
You're doing an awesome job sharing your Taiwan experience with us and you've offered lots of meaningful and accurate information. Sending you a strong endorsement from a Taiwanese-American!
@its_clean Oh thank you so much for writing this, this comment means a lot. I know people can be (understandably) very sensitive about history. I'm glad you can see what our intentions were when creating this - to educate as objectively and as simply as possible... I definitely realize using China as a general term to describe both modern day China and China's history is seen as very incorrect in Taiwan. I wish we had more accurately described it as the Qing dynasty. I also wish we had covered more about Taiwan's history going beyond that period, because it is entirely relevant. That was a failure on our part. We're still learning, we'll do better next time... but that said, we always hope people using RUclips take what a couple of random people say with a grain of salt. lol
You definitely have said it best.. Taiwan's history is extremely complex and has so many different influences. I know it is relatively recent and so relevant to the tensions happening today. I entirely understand why people are so passionate about it. There's just no way as visitors we'll ever truly understand it, nor be able to cover it in a video. It is confusing. There are tons of different versions out there, and different opinions about it. We fully expected pushback... we have received a lot just for recognizing Taiwan. Shoot, we get a lot of pushback for things that aren't even important at all!
Anyways, THANK YOU again for your support and realizing our intentions really were to inspire some interest in Taiwan and its history from people back home - in terms that they'd easily understand...
Hello, I just wanted to say that I enjoyed your videos on Taiwan very much. The history of Taiwan is a very sensitive subject, and because of the complicated history (or say relentless threats from CCP), any touch on Taiwanese history without very precise terms is bound to get backlash, and I hope if comments get irrational, you could just brush it off. Even among Taiwanese people, our versions of history differ, depending on what materials we read and how we were taught. To me, it is pointless over-criticizing travelers for sharing what they know. Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed your stay. The East coast and southern Taiwan are also worth exploring!
@@IfWeGoTo Totally! I think you two did a great job explaining the history and showing respect for the country, so don't mind the "backlash". It's complicated and some people get very emotional and heated when it comes to Taiwanese v.s. Chinese. But they actually do not represent everyone there! I for one don't get offended when people call me Chinese, because my dad is from China and my mom is from Taiwan. I have family members (uncles, aunts, cousins, nieces, etc. ) in China. I love my family on both sides and am proud of my Chinese heritage and the Chinese cultural aspects. Some people might not want to have anything to do with China, but that's not the case with me and many of us that have similar backgrounds and upbringings.
Wow thank you! I know the history is far too complex to thoroughly explain in a short video, but we are glad you see our efforts. We tried to give the history in an unbiased way - because like you pointed out, there are so many nuances when it comes to history, cultural ties, etc... though we realize its far from complete.
台灣總統府其實每周有條件的開放給民眾參觀喔!
哦，學習太棒了！感謝分享！😃
❤❤
Thank you!!
👍❤️
Thank you!!
Taiwan didn't decide to be come democratic in 1990. People of Taiwan fought against KMT for decades for democracy, a lot of people died or got blacklist and couldn't return back to Taiwan.
We were trying to give the briefest summary/introductions about some of the history of Taiwan and some of the events that happened…. Obviously we could never fit this all into a 17 minute video!!
This was made with the casual viewer in mind (like our friends and family back in the USA who know very little about Taiwan) with some information and references for people who are interested in learning more to have a starting point to do their own research on the topic! We are by no means historians and are still learning ourselves, we just wanted to share a little bit of what we learned - we hope this doesn’t come off as diminishing to Taiwan’s complex history.
We appreciate you sharing more about Taiwan’s history here in the comments!
I enjoy your contents, and I just have to point that out even though I know it's too picky for a short and fun video.
It’s not too picky, I really appreciate you taking the time to write this out in the comments!! I definitely realize we left out some important details in this one!
@@IfWeGoTo
Thanks for your efforts.
Welcome!
根本亂講，那些鬥爭根本沒用，主要是因為總統死亡，副總統是台灣人，為了自保改變制度，如果國民黨接班制度有搞好，根本不會變民主制度，誰會把權力下放
Many people in Taiwan will feel offended to be called Chinese 😅.
We don’t mean offense, just trying to explain the history. I hope you notice we do primarily say Taiwan/Taiwanese!!
However, we will not blame you because of these complicated history. It's really hard to explain, not only in this short video, but also in our national identity. We still need to thank you to introduce these to the world.
thank you very much for recognizing our efforts. I know it is very complex and difficult to speak on, but as you said - it's important to be introduced to the world!
@veryinterestingpersonaliti8321 If you want to share the correct history, timeline, and point out what we misspoke on or misunderstood in a comment, I'll pin it.
But we've yet to have anyone do that.
Actually some Taiwanese people do considered themselves Chinese. Just like the Chinese in Singapore or Chinese in Malaysia. You guys did a good job on explaining the complicated history of Taiwan.
👍👍🙏🙏
Thank you!!
以前去中正紀念堂那邊放風箏被警察追著跑~XD
之后你能成功地将风筝放到其他地方吗？
@@IfWeGoTo 只有那邊禁止放風箏🤭
😎❤️🇹🇼‼️
Thank you!
Do you feel the power of summer sun in here?😂 it’s harsh😢
This was actually filmed a couple of months ago!! (We are a bit behind on videos!)
I hope summer isn’t too harsh right now though! 😅
I am glad that you didn't do the "5 Second Rule" on that piece of bacon!
Hahaha I was tempted 👀 😂
❤🤣👍👍👍
Thanks!!
Avoid sticking chopsticks directly into a bowl. In Chinese and Japanese cultures, sticking a pair of chopsticks straight up is meant as an offering to the deceased. While your chopsticks are angled, it's still frowned upon. Rather, lay it flat over the bowl or on the table.
Thank you for the tip!!! 🙏
I think you hold the metal chopsticks upside down.
Oh man I hope we didn't mess up that bad... embarrassing!! hahaha
謝謝您喜歡南機場夜市🥰也歡迎再來體驗更多美食喔
谢谢你！这是一个很棒的夜市！ :D
It's not very accurate to say Taiwan was a part of China for a VERY long time. Taiwan was governed by China only in Qing dynasty for about 200 years, and only for the west coast. Mountain areas and the east coast were never part of Qing dynasty. Aboriginals have lived in Taiwan for thousands of years. Based on most research, Taiwan is probably the hometown (origin) for Austronesian peoples, including aboriginals in New Zealand and Madagascar.
@@IfWeGoTo If you haven't figured out by now (which I am sure you have), Taiwanese don't like Chinese. Too much bad blood between them. 400 years ago, the Chinese sold out our Ming loyalist ancestors to the Manchu invaders. The last descendant of the Ming emperor actually committed suicide in Taiwan in 1683, accompanied by his 5 concubines in a small town between Tainan and Kaoshiung. That was the start of a series of betrayals leading to the Manchu sellout of Taiwan in 1895 to Japan and 228 massacre in 1947 destroyed chance of reconciliation between Taiwanese and Chinese. Now the communist Chinese are threatening force from the other side agan. Needless to say, very little good will is left by this point.
@@raininthesouth Oh yes, and I completely understand given their history and the current situation. Thanks for sharing some of the older history, it goes to show these issues go way further back than what was covered in this video.
Do you find that most of the time google translate does a decent job with menus?
Hi!! Yes, I think most of the time it gives you enough info to correctly assume what the dish may be! Although sometimes it is horribly wrong! Lol
We found in Taipei most restaurants also had English menus if you ask! Although some smaller/off the beaten path places may not!
影片拍長一點也沒差，短短的一下看完不是很浪費拍攝的影片。
谢谢你！！❤️
帥哥美女❤️
謝謝你！！
A clarification on Taiwan's history: Taiwan was not handed back to China after WWII. The Treaty of SF which concluded WWII between the Allies with Japan made Japan relinquish Taiwan but it was not returned to China. Its future was to be determine at a future date and in accordance with the UN principle of self-determination, meaning it is up to the Taiwanese to decide their own future. Chiang Kai Shek, who was a staunch anti-communist, illegally occupied Taiwan after WWII by exploiting the US' fear of the spread of Communism in the early days of the Cold War.
@@IfWeGoTo Thank you for your mentioning of the brutality of the dictatorship under Chiang Kai Shek which saw tens of thousands of Taiwanese killed or imprisoned for speaking out against Chiang's government over 40 years of martial law.
This is a deliberate false lie
@@17water20 spoken like a true CCK/KMT apologist. I guess you also believed no one was ever imprisoned on Green Island or died in 228.
@@haochengzhai7156 It's sad that there are people like you along with German and Japanese revisionists who refuse to accept atrocities in the face of clear, overwhelming evidence. No amount of evidence will clear your brainswashed minds.
@@3yexQSx Instead of listening to the BS you were fed by your KMT/waishenren parents, educate yourself. Maybe you'll learn something about Taiwan's history.
當時的中國是指中華民國🇹🇼
不是現在的中華人民共和國🇨🇳
🇹🇼這是自由中國
🇨🇳這是共產中國
兩個是截然不同的政治實體
@@IfWeGoTo 不同的政治实体，不同的政治制度，但是都属于中国的领土，因为各自的宪法都包含对方。区别在于谁代表中国。确切地讲，内战尚未结束。
Actually Taiwan was also occupied why Manchu empire (ching dynasty of China). Then CKS occupied Taiwan again after the world war and took it as a base for them to fight back to mainland China. But they never did. So they settled down and claim Taiwan Republic of China
be careful... you just may want to stay there for at least a year
Hahaha easy… maybe even a lifetime!!!
Glad you went to the 228 memorial! I always feel a little sour about the chiang kai shek memorial, because of his authoritarian rule over Taiwan at that time. So a visit to both is a good way to realize the complexity of the history. There actually used to be a tooon of Chiang kai shek statues (~43,000 according to Wikipedia)and they started removing and relocating them in the last two decades
It’s also interesting to think about, but Taiwan was under martial law from 1949 to 1987! My parents would tell me stories about when they went to the US for grad school in the late 70s they had to be careful because there were KMT student spies even there. The democracy transition in the 90s may have been relatively peaceful in the 90s, but there was a lot leading up to it that wasn’t.
My grandparents lived through 228 and during the white terror (which ended when martial law ended…so fairly recent when you think about it), and my grandma when looking though pictures or when walking through the cemetery would point out people/graves of classmates that disappeared during the period. Like one of them was a girl who had a brother who was mentally disabled, but accused as being a communist. So he disappeared, and so did her classmate for “harboring a communist (her brother)”
Anyway, I appreciate your videos and that you spent more time in Taiwan than an average tourist, and therefore was really able to explore the different neighborhoods more
Oh yes, it was really good to visit these spots. To be honest, we did not really know how CKS was locally perceived when first visiting - especially with how grand the monument is. Definitely visiting both and eventually posting this (plus getting a LOT of feedback) really helped us learn far more than we did reading often biased summaries online.
Thank you for sharing the stories from your parents and grandparents. It really brings in the human side to these stories and brings greater understanding to a situation that we definitely did not do justice in this video.
Thanks again for watching and taking the time to share through your comment!
I’m sure even among Taiwanese some may care less than others about the memorial. There’s a strong sense of identity in Taiwan, some Taiwanese feel very strongly separate from a Chinese identity. Then some Chinese because their family immigrated to Taiwan as refugees still feel very connected to China and don’t feel Taiwanese. And aboriginals have their own opinion about it all. They don’t always line up with the pro independence parties the way you would think because their politics/needs are different
I’m sure you got a ton of feedback! But hey, it’s a travel video, I don’t expect you to be able to cover everything. I’m just glad you’re open to reading about what happened. I think it’s always interesting to be able to see what influences each area has due to history
Yeah there are definitely a huge variety of experiences and opinions about these topics, it is part of what makes it very hard to talk about - especially online.
Thanks for understanding the limitations of tourists and travel videos when it comes to these topics! It is interesting to visit and learn more about places like these!
1.27 Those buildings remind me the (Forbidden City ; 故宫) in Beijing CH.😁😍😍🖖🤌👌✌👏💪💪🙏🙏🙏
Oh that would be cool to see!!
228 and the white terror were the sorrow historical periods of Taiwan’s modern history. The famous comedian Atsukao Okatsuka is also a victim decent of this, and is also the reason why her family moved to US.
郎才女貌
謝謝你！！
LOL 8:50 "4K exicuted... 15K more killed... pretty scary time in history..." ***casually shrugs shoulders***🙃🙃
He didn’t mean it in a diminishing way… I think it’s just so uncomfortable to talk about and hard to present.
It’s pronounced Zhōngzhèng
Please forgive our terrible pronunciations 🙏🙏
@@IfWeGoTo regardless you guys are awesome to choose Taiwan as one of your destinations! So awesome to see you enjoyed my Motherland 🇹🇼🤗
Thank you! We absolutely loved Taiwan!!
台灣是民主國家
中國是共產國家
二個是不同國家 請認清事實 謝謝！
谢谢你指出这一点！
歷史的因素 以前可能很多人認為自己是"堂堂正正的中國人",
現在沒了 年輕人都知道自己是 台灣人,
對於中正紀念堂 這些地方 是古蹟 也是台灣歷史的一部分
It is kind of weird to tell the viewers that @1:45 this is the national theater, national concert hall, and liberty gate again just a minute and a half later @3:15 tell us the same exact same thing again. I stopped watching at that point.
We did a quick intro, and then after visiting the memorial hall reintroduced and went a bit more in depth about each.
We’re amateurs. We’re prone to amateur mistakes. You’re watching RUclips, not a professional production.
If you can do it better, please do! But no need to leave rude comments like these. You can just leave. 👋
@@IfWeGoTo Sorry. I don't believe I said anything rude. I just mentioned that it was kind of weird to say the same thing twice.
You wrote above, "...then after visiting the memorial hall reintroduced and went a bit more in depth about each." OK, I came back and watched the video again.
Sorry. I'm really confused here. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but can you provide a time stamp in the video where you went into more depth on the national concert hall and national theater?
@3:15 where you "reintroduced" as you say, but you didn't go into any more depth about the national concert hall or national theater at all, only the gate. You literally went to lunch after that.
Perhaps you accidentally left that footage on the editing room floor? I don't know.
I felt frustrated at the repetition and yet I was left wanting to learn more. That was why I stopped watching in the middle of the video.
You know, most people on RUclips are happy to get feedback from their audience. They find the responses beneficial to improve their content. They get a better understanding of why viewership may drop off in the middle of the video. I was trying to be helpful.
After re-introducing them, we did mention that events are held there. There wasn’t a ton to say beyond that, then we moved on to the liberty arches. It was repetitive, but it felt like we needed to restate what each one was while we moved past them or went more in depth. Sometimes it’s hard to make a video flow in the edit after you’ve filmed something - and sometimes it just doesn’t come out as smoothly as you’d hoped!
So you know, commenting your departure while complaining about something in someone’s creation is generally considered unnecessary and rude. It is better to leave no comment *or* if you want to leave constructive criticism that’s perfectly ok too, but this didn’t feel constructive. For us, we initially took it negatively… calling a slight blunder “weird” and saying that you stopped watching because of a small error in filming/editing did not feel helpful.
In the future if you want people to take your comments positively and constructively, you could say: “I think next time you could have cut out where you said this twice, it felt a little bit redundant” or “as a viewer, I recommend mentioning each part one time only. It was a little confusing that you repeated it” or “I wish you had said more about the concert hall and theatre! I wanted to learn more!”.
We’re more than happy to get feedback, but the person leaving it should be mindful of how they present it to the creator. These videos take a lot of work, research, and time to make. Plus it’s just hard to put yourself out there. It is easy to feel a bit beat down by criticism and negative comments.
We are very appreciative of feedback and I’m sorry we didn’t take the cooler headed approach when initially responding to you. Unfortunately a lot of people who leave comments like yours haven’t been as kind to us…. I think it has just beat us down a bit over time. :(
Anyways, thanks again for your feedback. We will be more cautious about it in future videos. I hope you take ours too!
It is a sad story that we still have buildings that in memorial of a terrible regime.
Dude, Taiwan as part of China for very long time? Japan invaded Taiwan? Please get your fact straight. There is interesting book on the history of Taiwan - "A New Illustrated History of Taiwan" that I strongly recommend to you.
清朝與中國不是一樣的。
所以台灣從不曾屬於中國!更何況現在聯合國承認的中國是中華人民共和國（成立1949年；而1949年至今中國又何曾統治過台灣？）
政治問題就別在這裡爭論了，對外國人來說兩岸都是Chinese。
白話一點就是一個中國，兩個政府。
@@IfWeGoTo ruclips.net/video/tcQTZ8Yz7iY/видео.html
對於外國人來說我們就是Chinese！政治論點不用在這邊講
@@Lakers-HUA 並不是
Chinese是民族，或稱華人，東南亞國家很多華人，新加坡華人更佔了7成。
然而，新加坡顯然不屬於中共國
@@veryinterestingpersonaliti8321 很不幸，中國的確把幾十個民族統稱中華民族。甚至把台灣原住民都歸為其中的高山族。
中國人是幾族不關我的事，我是台灣人，我不屬中華民族
Taiwan was belonged to Ching, not China.
oh?
There wasn't a country called China, it was Ching Dynasty.
The Qing dynasty was a dynasty of China. Analogous to the Han, Tang, Song, Ming, etc.
Can you start breeding like rabbits please? We need more of your European blood.
Hahahaha.... well... one of us is Filipino (even if I don't look it!)
@@IfWeGoTo are you sure? I think you either have a fairly minor contamination or someone cheated
I'm sure, genetics definitely work in mysterious ways lol.
@@IfWeGoTo You have a grandparent?
Yup! Exactly
每次看到外國遊客來台灣玩，講述關於這塊土地的歷史，都很怕台派出來亂說😂
這種獨裁者就是需要讓全世界各地的人都知道，才能避免獨裁者產生啊！
這種獨裁者就是需要讓全世界各地的人都知道，才能避免獨裁者產生啊！
台派亂說?莫名其妙
@@lilinlin450 沒錯呀！老蔣在台的確獨裁，我認為沒什麼問題，我也沒說他不獨裁呀😂
@@來電轉接-m4j 其實我是要表達，留言處，怕有台派亂說歷史，因為台派歷史不好是有口碑的😂
Another piece of propaganda.