Porcupine Tree Albums Ranked From Worst to Best (Including Closure/Continuation)
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- This week we're taking our first real venture into the world of modern prog. Porcupine Tree returned with their first new studio album in 13 years, Closure/Continuation, so the timing seemed right.
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Porcupine Tree are an English rock band formed by musician Steven Wilson in 1987. During an initial career spanning more than twenty years, they earned critical acclaim from critics and fellow musicians, developed a cult following, and became an influence for new artists. The group carved out a career at a certain distance away from mainstream music, being described by publications such as Classic Rock and PopMatters as "the most important band you’d never heard of".
The band began as a solo project for Wilson, who initially created all of the band's music himself. By late 1993, however, he wanted to work in a band environment, bringing on frequent collaborators Richard Barbieri as keyboardist, Colin Edwin as bassist, and Chris Maitland as drummer to form the first permanent lineup. With Wilson as lead vocalist and guitarist, this remained the lineup until February 2002, when Maitland left the band and Gavin Harrison was recruited to replace him. Porcupine Tree's early sound evoked various styles of psychedelic rock, space rock and experimental rock, later moving towards a more progressive/space rock direction comparable to that of Pink Floyd. Upon signing with Kscope record label in the late 1990s, the band began to approach a more mainstream alternative rock sound. By the early 2000s, the band had signed to a major record label and shifted their sound again, this time in a more progressive metal direction.
In 2010, after the tour in support of their 2009 studio album The Incident, the band became publicly inactive as Wilson committed himself to his solo work and other members began working on their own separate projects. However, the band, now minus Colin Edwin, continued to intermittently work on material in secrecy over the course of the following decade, leading to the release of their album Closure/Continuation on 24 June 2022.
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You all are hysterical. I like Steven Wilson and the Tree, but I would never try to wade through their discography in a week. Maybe an album a week. I am very fond of Dead Wing, Inabsenthia, and Fear of a Blank Planet. You were all brutally honest and even touched on some stuff that I have been a little afraid to bring up around my Proggier friends. I often disagree with you guys, but I keep coming back... particularly for your perspective. Keep it up!
11 prog albums in a week with no previous knowledge of the band... it's an absurdity to make a statement after such lame effort. This is a type of music that requires time to get into the style an let it get to you. The video did not offend me, because I am not a PT fan, I only have "Fear of a Blank Planet", and it's a good album. I think this band deserves more respect, though.
This was very entertaining, almost like comedy. Kramzer and Jason trying to find a good song in their repertoire and Joe frustrated with their comments. I noticed that although Joe was annoyed at his companions reviews he didn’t really appear to enjoy their music. When the only compliment to a song is “the drumming is good” is like telling a girl she has beautiful ears. But I enjoyed this session immensely.
Beautiful ears😂
Expecting King Crimson complexity or Opeth heaviness is not what Porcupine Tree is about. To me they have have always been more introspective with a more thoughtful intensity, the mood is the key.
Gentlemen, this was brutal. Good on ya for being honest though.
You've underrated this band so badly that I have start paying less attention to your opinions.
Sometimes you simply don’t like a band. I applaud you for being so honest about your opinions.
Kram honestly couldn’t be any WRONGER about the drums
"Wronger" funny. Yes, Gavin is one of the best drummers alive right now. I saw him play with Crimson. He whipped out one of the best solos I've ever witnessed.
@@heresthething41 Gavin in Crimson is a completely different story, I actually agree with him that for Prog standards most of his drum writing on those PT albums is pretty generic and by the book, the playing is indeed very clean and professional sounding, but the parts themselves leave a lot to be desired, IMO. Again, specifically with Porcupine tree, his drumming with the current Crimson line up is fantastic and perhaps even improves on a lot of the original recorded versions of their songs.
Appreciate the honesty. Still gonna be tough to take you guys seriously after this...
Don’t lump me in with these heretics. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic Haha, don't worry, at least your points of criticism were relatable and not some wacko nonsense ;)
Steven wilson is one of the greatest musical geniuses of the last 30 years, his work with porcupine tree and his solo records is outstanding. However it is impossible to take in 11 albums in just one week. Also I understand this genre of music is not for everyone..I also think that putting on a sunday of life over fear of a blank planet is like putting the endless river over dark side of the moon. However I did enjoy the video!
Steven Wilson is a boring bland pompous asstrumpet. I would never want to be even associated with him.
I am kinda new to the channel, and I'm massively enjoying your rankings. Yesterday I saw your Kate Bush videos and the 2008 top songs. But I feel that the rhythm you follow to do the listographies is crazy! I mean how can you fall in love with a piece of art or comprenhend it if you listen to 11 albums from the same artist in one week! That's kinda 30 years of artist evolution. You can't even get familiar to the tunes, or the deepest arrangements on the tracks. I feel like many artists or albums become acquired tastes. However, always appreciate your content. Porcupine Tree great band btw!
Jason's mention of "In Abstenchia" (around 49:00) perfectly encapsulates his view of PT's catalogue.
Everyone has his opinion but that dude likes Dream Theater, a band that basically has been doing the same exact record for almost 20 years...that puts in perspective who is talking about here.
@@Marlowe10100 yeah, ofcourse you can have an opinion but this is questionable...and Dream Theater is boring as hell with their 'same as always' music.
@@gerwinpot4230 Agreed.
1. In Absentia - 4 (almost 4.5)
2. Fear of a Blank Planet - 4
3. Lightbulb Sun - 4
4. Deadwing - 4
5. Stupid Dream - 3.5 (almost 4)
6. The Sky Moves Sideways - 3.5
7. Signify - 3.5
8. Closure/Continuation - 3.5
9. Up the Downstair - 3 (almost 3.5)
10. The Incident - 3
11. On the Sunday of Life - 3
I'm all for honest feedback/reviews/constructive critique, and enjoy your guys take... but that comment at 44:18 is petty and condescending. Don't belittle peoples (or your viewers) opposing opinions.
That really was uncalled for
When I disagree I still find your videos entertaining. It does concern me when we agree. I must confess I am a Steven Wilson fan boy.
Wow! Joe's audio sounds sooooo much better than previously. thank you, Joe!
And I don't know why, because you guys have done a bunch of the classic English prog bands, but somehow I never expected a Porcupine Tree listography. I used to be really into them in the early 2000s and got a bunch of their albums up to in Absentia, but sort of lost track of them after that. I heard about the new album and i think I'd like to check it out. Really looking forward to you all going through these records.
Porcupine Tree is one of my all time favorite bands. They were the second band I got into after I explored the Rush catalog and is one of the main artists responsible for forming my music taste. I’m honestly shocked by all the hate displayed especially by Kramzer.
ALBUM RANKING:
1. Fear of a Blank Planet (2007) - 10/10
2. Deadwing (2005) - 10/10
3. In Absentia (2002) - 10/10
4. Lightbulb Sun (2000) - 9.5/10
5. Stupid Dream (1999) - 9.5/10
6. Closure / Continuation (2022) - 9.5/10
7. The Incident (2009) - 9.5/10
8. Signify (1996) - 9/10
9. The Sky Moves Sideways (1995) - 9/10
10. Up the Downstair (1993) - 9/10
11. On the Sunday of Life... (1992) - 7/10
ALBUM RATING SYSTEM:
10: Perfect
9 - 9.5: Essential
8 - 8.5: Great
7 - 7.5: Very Good
6 - 6.5: Good
5 - 5.5: Okay
4 - 4.5: Bad
3 - 3.5: Very Bad
2 - 2.5: Awful
1 - 1.5: Terrible
0 - 0.5: Garbage
Hats off to Joe for effort! And for noticing the quality of the rhythm section which is the main thing I enjoy listening to with this band.
A ranking of Opeth's discography would be interesting after this, since they were an influence on Steven Wilson's musical direction since the early 2000s.
Also, I'm wondering if you prefer any of Steven Wilson's music outside of Porcupine Tree, such as his solo work or his other musical collaborations.
I watched the whole video and am a PT fan, but with that said, I feel this way about other bands such as Muse. So I totally get where you guys are coming from. I did see Steve Wilson in concert and it was a very good show. Keep being honest guys. That's why I am a subscriber.
Your enthusiasm has me sleeping on the edge of my seat.
12) Metanoia (1998) 3.5/5
11) On the Sunday of Life... (1992) 3.75/5
10) In Absentia (2002) 3.75/5
09) Lightbulb Sun (2000) 3.75/5
08) Up the Downstairs (1993) 4/5
07) Signify (1996) 4/5
06) Closure/Continuation (2022) 4/5
05) The Incident (2009) 4.25/5
04) Stupid Dream (1999) 4.5/5
03) Fear of a Blank Planet (2007) 4.5/5
02) The Sky Moves Sideways (1995) 5/5
01) Deadwing (2005) 5/5
0 stars - irredeemably terrible/insultingly bad/the worst
.5 stars - terrible
1 star - bad
1.5 stars - pretty bad
2 stars - fair
2.5 stars - meh
2.75 stars - "It's OK, but quit playing it."
3 stars - OK/decent
3.25 stars - pretty good
3.5 stars - good
4 stars - very good
4.5 stars - excellent
5 stars - sapphire fountains
notes:
* Porcupine Tree music is kind of a downer at times, and I'm OK with that. They often sound trippy which I love. They get heavy on occasion, but I wouldn't think often enough for those who just want to rock out. When they do get heavy, it's usually a striking way to emphasis parts of a song. They also get ambient quite a bit, and psychedelic in their own way. It's all mixed up in a delicious prog stew.
* For me, their big downfall is their overuse of spoken word dialogue which usually gets tiresome on repeated listens.
* On the Sunday of Life... is kinda this weird, New Wave psych pop at times, with a slightly odd sounding vocalist. There are short, atmospheric instrumental pieces mixed in. "The Nostalgia Factory" has a cool synth solo. "Jupiter Island" gets really trippy at the end. I love the way they mess with the tempo.
* Their next four albums are very atmospheric and trippy, and a Pink Floyd influence is apparent on occasion.
* Their music is a bit on the stiff side at times, but then we get to "Stranger by the Minute" on Stupid Dream, their first truly great "pop" song.
* I have seen In Absentia referred to as prog metal, which seems strange since so much of it is mellow.
* Deadwing is a breakthrough in songwriting. To me, it's clearly better musically. The music just feels more organic on this one, the melodies more satisfying. And a lot of it is heavy, which I appreciate.
* Fear of a Blank Planet is excellent but rather depressing. The first track is back to the lesser melodic style I can't quite get comfortable with. Lots of trippy synths on this album.
* Metanoia could be a really nice atmospheric album, but the dialogue ruins the mood.
* Closure/Continuation continues their tradition of impressive musicianship and lyrics that don't really say a whole lot. The closing track "Chimera's Wreck" is excellent.
In Absentia comin' in 10th almost did a double take @____@
It’s good to see some people on this channel appreciate this band, Rich.
With you on Deadwing camp.
Wow, this one was rough, and quite shocking actually, and I’m not even much of a PT fan. I’ve always had a love/hate feeling about the band, in that at least for their best stuff, I really like about half of it, and really dislike the other half. But I think they are a very interesting band, and certainly not at all ‘generic’. Thus, I also don’t think any of their albums are great, but most have at least some very good stuff. Like Joe, I prefer their more melodic stuff (and thanks to Joe for providing useful and insightful comments throughout). I’m Less interested in the early spacy stuff, and also don’t much care for the ‘metal intrusions’ in the later stuff, although those albums are generally better. But I think Wilson is quite interesting, and a good songwriter and arranger, and actually writes some very good melodies. Gavin Harrison is a tremendous drummer, one of the very best in rock. So, although I also have issues with the band, I recognize that they are very good at what they do. Krams was totally checked out for this one and it’s hard to believe he actually listened to these albums as so many of his comments just didn’t make any sense (‘all sound the same’, ‘poor rhythm section’, all same quality level, etc). Usually very interesting to hear what you guys have to say about a band, even though I rarely agree much, but with this one, other than Joes comments, it was tough to get through.
Quite agree. Thanks goodness we had Joe 😁
Its called an opinion
Porcupine tree are a top 10 band for me. I accept you guys don't like, but some of your insults.... whoa. Feeling pretty deflated how much you ripped into them :(
Same here. At least top 20 for me. I feel your pain.
They're great. I love all kinds of music, so I certainly haven't not heard enough music. I want to see them review nick cave and the bad seeds, but after this I fear it won't be fun, because if they hate them like PT, it'll be an awful video. No enthusiasm and a hard 90 mimutes
They seem to garner extreme reactions, if someone doesn't like them they tend to say that they're unoriginal or pretentious or boring. Preposterous in my opinion, but whatever.
But the guy trashing them likes Dream Theater, that tells you all. Their music tastes are very suspect...remember Robert Fripp has worked multiple times with Wilson, so it seems that people like him enjoy PT.
Fear of a Blank Planet - 5 stars (10)
Stupid Dreams - 5 stars (9.8)
In Absentia- 5 stars (9.6)
Lightbulb Sun- 4.5 stars (8.8)
Deadwing - 4.5 stars (8.6)
CLOSURE/CONTINUATION - 4 stars (8.2)
Signify - 3.5 stars (7.8)
The Sky Moves Sideways - 3.5 stars (7.5)
On the Sunday of Life - 3 stars (6.4)
The Incident - 3 stars (6.1)
Up the Downstairs -2.5 stars (5.5)
Good list, Clayton. We align fairly closely on most ratings 👍
@@bryanbyrde8338 thank you! I’ll keep an eye on your ratings!
Can't go wrong with this top 5.
nice, good another p tree fan!
I would rank pretty similar. Fear of a Blank Planet easily my number one as well. The only difference is I would move The Incident and Signify higher and Deadwing lower.
My issue with Porcupine Tree is that they're pleasant but rarely exciting, and when they are, all is buried under musical logorrhea. Though I enjoy them while listening, nothing sticks to my mind beyond the present moment.
Love the brutal honesty and it's needed more often. I must be living on a different planet from you guys though as I think there albums range from decent to amazing.
Before I start watching the video, and be disappointed:P, I want to say I'm really happy you decided to do their discography. One of my favourite bands❤️
Here are my rankings
11. On The Sunday of Life (2.5 stars)
10. The Incident (3 stars)
9. C/T (3.5 stars)
8. Up the Downstairs (3.5 stars)
7. Signify (3.5 stars)
6. The Sky Moves Sideways (4 stars)
5. Stupid Dream (4.5 stars)
4. Deadwing (4. 5 stars)
3. Lightbulb Sun (5 stars)
2. In Absentia (5 stars)
1. Fear of a Blank Planet (5 stars)
Notes:
- On the Sunday of Life is definitely the weakest of the bunch, weird vocals, bad production, it shouldn't be an album. But there are some great tracks like Radioactive Toy
- The Incident I expected much more after FOABP, but was heavily disappointed. Standout tracks are Time Flies and Bonnie the Cat
- I think that from Stupid Dream they get their sound, more accessible and some nice pop tunes, like Piano Lessons
- In Absentia was my first PT album, Blackest eyes and Trains are soo good.
- Fear of a blank planet is the most consistent album for sure and one of the shortest :O
I'm sorry buddy
@@MusicMeltdown567 :(
Are you happy with yourselves, Kramzer and Jason?
So, how'd you like the video AS?
@@179rich Well, I liked it up to one point in the video. (Don't mind the scores and rankings at all, but something else bothered me).
Happy to hear you all discussing Porcupine Tree. Too bad you don't like them as much as many people do (myself included as I'm a fan). You do have to be ready for a strange blend of psychedelic, ambient, electronic, pop, alternative, prog rock and metal when going through their discography. Even as a big fan of theirs, I'll still admit they do have too much pointless ambient noise especially in their earlier albums. So I'm not a die hard fan of their first 3 albums but I love everything they've done since those and think their last 5 albums in a row have been masterpieces.
For anyone who wants to hear me and my friend who are fans of Porcupine Tree ranking their albums from best to worst, we made a similar video before Closure/Continuation came out here: ruclips.net/video/6da3wUFlx5A/видео.html
Probably one of the artists I'm most familiar with in all the TLM rankings, though I haven't heard four of the albums.
1. In Absentia
2. Stupid Dream
3. Deadwing
4. Fear of a Blank Planet
5. Signify
6. Lightbulb Sun
7. Recordings
8. The Incident
Don't really listen to them anymore but went through a phase in high school where I liked em.
And here's another reason why this is the best music channel on RUclips, these guys can tell you precisely why they like/don't like the music they are listening to. I don't know any Porcupine Tree music and yet I found this discussion fascinating. Other music channels/ranking shows may say that they dug the album or like the sound, but these three can break it down so well. I don't always agree with them, but I love the back and forth and the discussions. They fact that they do it week after week and make it so interesting is quite an accomplishment!! So, I forgive them if they occasionally look tired.
That was brutal. I have been a big fan of PT since the mid 90's. Just a minor criticism. It's hard to be a fair judge of an artists music, if you listen to 11 albums for the first time in 1 week. Most albums need at least 3 listens to come up with a valid opinion. There are many albums in my 61 years that I was cold to on first listen, then really liked after repeated listening
I've always felt the way this channel is constructed is inherently flawed. Binge-listening to an artist for a week straight is pretty much the worst way to consume a discography.
Can albums grow on you with more listens? For sure. Can they grow off? Yep. Every listen is a chance to reevaluate. No opinion expressed on the channel is ever set in stone. Whether it’s an artist that’s new to us or an old fave, what you’re getting in the episodes is just how we felt that particular week. -Jason
This is the week that I learned that Porcupine Tree was not really a band for me. I can't say I hated anything really, but a lot of it just didn't grab me. Before this week I had heard several songs and In Absentia but had never really gone further. I can say listening through their discography there were often some moments here and there that I enjoyed but none of the albums really got to the next level for me. Still glad to have done this in the end so I could make an informed decision on them. I think I expected this outcome for you guys somewhat but maybe expected some slightly higher ratings at the top lol. Still an entertaining ranking all the same!
11. On The Sunday of Life - 2.5 (5)
10. The Sky Moves Sideways - 2.5 (5.3)
9. The Incident - 2.5 (5.4)
8. Up the Downstair - 3 (5.6)
7. Signify - 3 (6.1)
6. Stupid Dream - 3 (6.3)
5. Lightbulb Sun - 3.5 (7.2)
4. Closure/Continuation - 3.5 (7.4)
3. In Absentia - 3.5 (7.4)
2. Deadwing - 3.5 (7.5)
1. Fear of a Blank Planet - 3.5 (7.5)
i give you credit V for finishing when you knew your opinion was probably not gonna change
@@bengalgangster thanks! I really wanted to make sure I gave them a fair shot 🙂.
Would have made a good 10 minute video. I still really like my one PT album...lol
after this episode, hopefully you will pass 10000 subs again one day
Well, now I know why I disagree with ya'll so much. Porcupine Tree is a band that needs to grow on you. PT is a band that certain people can relate to. Particularly people who have had a rough childhood. It is a salve for the soul. It makes us feel like someone else can relate.
Interesting take. There's just something about the mind of SW that speaks to me. Once I got into PT I felt like I had found the band I'd been missing out on the entire time, like I was meant to find this connection. They've been a big presence for me ever since.
I follow TLM and review the albums most weeks along with the guys. I will say that with this discography more than most I felt I needed more time to digest this music. I still need more time.
@@179rich Yeah. They're not hooky pop stars. The music is deep and it takes a few listens to get it. But, I can see how most people wouldn't get it.
To bad Jason things you guys have no clue about music .
Oh wow, Kram and Jason woke up this morning and chose violence. I don't understand how you could be so dismissive of PT as obsessed with Rush as you are. There are definitely valid criticisms to be had of them (notably Wilson's pen), but just felt like y'all were pulling some stuff out your asses in order to pile on. I don't think Robert Fripp would ask someone who is a mediocre drummer to join King Crimson.
side not: Chimera's Wreck is the closer on the new one. No idea why they didn't clearly label the bonus tracks.
As someone who actually does like metal -- I'm bemused by the frequency of the "metal" mentions in this video. I've never, ever thought of Porcupine Tree as a metal band. Sure, Steve Wilson produced some Opeth albums, and maybe it rubbed off on him a bit, and for sure I need to listen to the last two or three albums still, but is that reallya significant part of their sound? I think ther'es a difference between having some crunchy guitars and having "metal riffs". I can only think of one bit of In Absentia that sounds kind of metal-ish and I think it's in the first song -- that maybe could be a riff on one of Opeth's metal albums from around the same time period.
Also Dream Theater gets mentioned a lot here -- I really don't like it when Dream Theater tries to get all moody and emotional, but i do think that's more Porcupine Tree's territory and they do it well. How come Dream theater comes up so much here and not, I don't know, Radiohead? haha..i don't get it, guys.
Ah well, after this week, probably only Joe will ever listen to them again.
Agreed.
Another band I’m glad you guys got round to. Whilst I’m disappointed that they didn’t strike your fancy, I have to admit my enthusiasm originated from the vast quantity of substances I was consuming when I first heard The Sky Moves Sideways. I can try to be objective about them, but will always fail because nostalgia reminds me of a time when drugs were still fun and not yet destroying everything I valued.
I have a fond place in my heart for them, though I can definitely acknowledge that they’re not quite as adventurous as they could be. A lot of recycling in their sound, but I enjoyed a lot of their tunes. Dislocated Day came to punch me in the face when I’d blown too many brain cells. What had been a cool tune now seemed to be pointing and laughing at the damage I’d done…
My favourite albums are 1. Fear of a Blank Planet 2. Stupid Dream 3. The Sky Moves Sideways. My least favourite are 1. The Incident 2. Signify.
Hope it all manages to turn around, best of luck to you.
@@Torthrodhel Bless you. Thankfully I've been drink and drug free for the last 7 years. I have a good therapist and take medication which keeps me stable. Each day it gets easier to live with the goblins in my head, but I'll always have regrets about those lost years.
@@benjamindurkin that's awesome you got a good therapist and the medication you need. Congratulations on 7 years of sobriety, that's bloomin' amazing. Regrets are so poisonous, huh. I'll often be looking at some scars and thinking how the hell did I let that happen, that wasn't right. Wondering how I didn't end up in an asylum, and knowing people who have. But nature and creativity I find to be good tonics to that. Watching little bumble bees buzz around knowing I support a charity that helps them, or making dorky spreadsheets for imagined projects that'll never happen, playing songs just to myself, but I don't care I just like doing it. Life is so beautiful and terrifying.
I'm off my medication, by recommendation, because I was getting too many side effects. I think I've got very good at living with suicidal tendancy though. Proud. Proud mostly, to have those who love me, not need to be worried about it. Maybe on a tightrope, but also an acrobat, so-to-speak. :)
Hope you don't mind me spilling stuff a bit. Coming from a place of conversation rather than comparison.
@@Torthrodhel Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I can understand the need to withdraw from certain medications, as I have had a complicated relationship with them over the years. Sometimes the side effects are unbearable, sometimes what was working throws up a load of problems further down the line.
I'm glad you find restorative benefit from nature and creativity, as it can really help with the coping. I found similar benefits from volunteering with a local peer support community, and when things get too much immersing myself in music or films.
It sounds like you've really put a lot of time and energy into recovery. It's not always an easy ride I know, but it really is something to be proud of. To paraphrase Jaz Coleman of Killing Joke on one of their tunes "Survival is victory".
@@benjamindurkin indeed it is! I remember doing a calculation once that put my life expectancy less than 40. That was a mistake, I took it way too seriously. Here I am though, proving it wrong. Once I stopped drinking, that helped a lot. Let me stop allowing myself to be around the sorts of people who let me let them do things I shouldn't have let them do. Told the police, distanced myself, got some therapy... which ran out, but still had it. Got used to the idea that maybe I don't need to recover all my missing memory, in order to be okay with it. No longer reckless with my safety. Is better. :)
Surprising a nurse was a bit of a wake-up call. I didn't suppose those to be people who could be surprised. Maybe she was new. Gave me the mental slap I needed at the time, nonetheless.
That was definitely the case with my medication. I was less well on it than off it. So it's been an attempt off it for a good while now. Seems to be going alright.
Best of awesome groovyness for your many days ahead. :D
It’s so hard to rank these albums but my personal favorites will ALWAYS BE their first six albums with Chris on drums. More psychedelic and progressive sounding stuff
I loved the whole discography. But your views are really interesting on those records.
well here we go
11 the sky moves sideways 3.0 stars
10 on the sunday life 3.0+
9 the incident 3.0+
8 stupid dream 3.0+
7 up the downstair 3.5-
6 signify 3.5
5 closure/continuation 4.0 -
4 fear of a blank planet 4.0+
3 deadwing 4.5
2 lightbulb sun 4.5
1 in absentia 5.0 stars
wow i enjoy this band , as the beginning of the video showing much distaste for the band! Now to go check to see if my buddy Miroslav is doing ok!
Great list Bengal!!!
Hey friend, glad you enjoyed this discography. I think I may need to give them a shot. 😊
@@michelewiese48 hi buddy hmm not sure for you sweets , tho you have been surprising me lately , try some later music and dont be danzig shy lol!
@@bengalgangster I think I will listen to their 2002-2007 albums. These seem to be at the top of many people’s lists I often align with. You just never know with me.. stay tuned.
@@michelewiese48 Looks forward to hearing what you think, Michele!
Joe saying their lyrics arent memorable while talking about Blank Planet while the line "The X Box is a god to me" is completely burned into my memory. Not saying its a good line, just that it IS memorable.
This video shows just how much I enjoy your content and the vibe of the discussions, even when you’re laying into a top 20 favourite band for me ;)
Future modern prog rankings you guys should do: Dream Theater, Tool, The Mars Volta, Devin Townsend, Spock's Beard, Opeth, Pain of Salvation, and The Flower Kings.
And as far as classic prog goes you guys should give Gentle Giant and Van der Graaf Generator a try!
I would add IQ to the list of current prog and Renaissance and Camel to the list of classic prog.
I second VDGG, they are one of the most unique groups I have listened to. Not everyone might enjoy their sound but definitely should be given a listen. I myself enjoy most of their core records, however I am still trying to digest Pawn Hearts which is supposed to be their magnum opus.
After listening to the Album "Fear of a Blank Planet" which you guys ranked in the middle of the their discography. I previously never played any of their music before. I think both Kram and Jason's comments were pretty brutal about the quality of Porcupine's music. I disagree with the content of your comments. I think your expectations of them are off. Their music is much better than you portrayed in this ranking. Their style is different than other bands mentioned, but at least this album that I listened to is very good. I think you need to take the tampon out of your ears and listen to their discography again. I think Joe was way more accurate in his ranking and NOT as negative in his critic. I appreciate that. Generally, you guys are on the mark, but this time you were way off.
that tampon comment is kinda jerky, no?
do you have a problem w the concept that we all hear things differently?
The tampon was needed to stop the bleeding in my ears from listening to this
@@ryankramzer1256 good one, Ryan . . 😆
"I think Joe was way more accurate in his ranking" - how can anyone be more or less accurate in a ranking when it's just personal opinion?
Jason pretty much shit on the fan base
I’m a PT fan, and a SW fan, but I do get some of the comments, particularly about their early stuff. But come on, comparing to Dream Theater? Both bands have excellent keyboardists in Jordan Ruddess and Richard Barbieri, but they’re respective styles are completely different, which produces two bands who sound completely different. Choosing a band so obviously different to make a point inevitably leads to the point not being made.
I understand that not everyone has to like everything. But 2.5? seriously? That smacks of bias. I don't understand the constant comparisons to Dream Theater. After all, P.T. they are not a progressive metal band. Those bands have nothing in common, so why?
2.5 smacks of bias?
Well yeah, we are bias...against music we find lousy
@@ryankramzer1256 Sure, my fault. I was naively looking for objectivity where there was obviously none. Everyone probably has it sorted differently in their head. Since you mentioned so much D.T. So the only record I ever bought from them is Images and Words because it just blew me into the stratosphere. Since then, no other record of theirs has accomplished this. But damn. I wouldn't even give their weakest record a 2.5 because, despite the fact that I get tired of those records, I can still appreciate them.
But if you've listened to all the P.T. records at once and only once, then I guess I understand the rating, but I don't understand why you rate something you don't listen to. The same as if I were to go and review all albums by Sabaton or Manowar right now. The rating would objectively not exceed 2.5 because I consider these bands to be outrageous boring shit.
@@Fitchie69 and if you you had an entertaining RUclips channel, I'd love to watch you talk about why you find them to be outrageous boring shit
@@ryankramzer1256 You won't get that. Sorry. My native language is Czech and I'm not good at English enough to speak fluently. But with these bands it is perhaps obvious. Zero development, all records sound the same. At Manowar has to mention horrible lyrics inflated egos and awkward poses.
I've been watching some of your videos recently and find some of them interesting. Interesting in that we are of different generations and have very different tastes. As a child of the 70's, I grew up on arguably the most fruitful era for rock and pop music. That said, music in these genres mostly died to me in the mid-80's. Hard to fully get the music of an era without having lived through it as the music and the culture are so closely connected. I can't see how anyone can rate The Stranger by Billy Joel's The Stanger a 2.5 and Tormato by Yes a 4. To each his own, but there's no accounting for taste :) As for PT, they have their moments for sure. My favorites are In Abstentia, Deadwing, and Fear of a Blank Planet. Great drumming on all these records and some great pop songs with an edge. The Sound of Muzak is a great song with a very catchy melody. There are many on these 3 records if you take the time to listen (more the once)with an open mind. I avoid labels and simply like good music , which translates to good songs. I don't really consider them a prog band, as I really don't care for much that falls into this category. I used to be into :prog and jazz fusion, but it's mostly wankery. Complexity for complexities sake means nothing, if it's not musical! Blackest Eyes, Trains, The Sound of Muzac. Three catchy, memorable, songs right there on one record. Why review bands that you've already made up your mind about before you give them an honest listen? I did not like The Incident as there was no there there. I feel the same way about jazz (real jazz). More notes does not mean better music. The space between notes matters as much as the notes themselves, maybe more.
11. On The Sunday Of Life (1992) 2.5/5
10. Up The Downstair (1993) 3/5
9. The Sky Moves Sideways (1995) 3/5
8. Signify (1996) 3.5/5
7. Closure/Continuation (2022) 3.5/5
6. Stupid Dream (1999) 4/5
5. The Incident (2009) 4/5
4. Lightbulb Sun (2000) 4.5/5
3. In Absentia (2002) 4.5/5
2. Fear Of A Blank Planet (2007) 5/5
1. Deadwing (2005) 5/5
Guys, you're not going to win over any new viewers by acting put off and uninterested by the task at hand.
There was a lot of dismissiveness at times during the Slint video, but no one cared because of that band’s relative obscurity. It’s actually satisfying to see a more established act get some guff.
@@echosmyron1278 Agreed, but that wasn't my point.
Should we do as most of the reaction channels do and act like we like everything that comes our way? Maybe it’s a bad RUclips strategy, but it’s the TLM way. You get what you get.
@@TastesLikeMusic No, disliking the music isn't the problem. I'm talking about acting disinterested in making the video.
@@TastesLikeMusic Just some friendly constructive criticism. You know I love you guys.
Definitely need to post this video in some Porcupine Tree fan groups.
Gulp. - Joe
Go for it.
5.Up the downstair(1993)
4.Lightbulb sun(2000)
3.The sky moves sideways (1995)
2.Signify(1996)
1.In absentia(2002)
Didnt expect to hear the dreaded "post grunge" word brought up because when I listened to Porcupine Tree, anything grunge related never crossed my mind.
But it's "post grunge" as in "not grunge," right?
@@179rich Good question. I would say that "post punk" isn't punk but is definitely influenced by it or is some kind of progression from it. "Post rock" appears to me to be using rock instrumentation to make music that it is too gentle to really be rock.
Came for the list, stayed for Joe's crisp and clear audio.
I like Porcupine Tree but I do think that trying to digest 11 PT albums in a week is probably a bit much for most people.
When Joe speaks its refreshing
I can hear all of the nuance in Joe’s voice now! 🎉
Hello, guys! Belated Happy Fourth of July! I hope you had a great one! 🇺🇸💥 Also, have a great day! 😀
In 1999 I bought a computer, when they became affordable. First thing I did was start reading about new bands. I live in a music desert,very rural. Lots of talk about PT so I bought Signify and within the first two minutes was hooked. One of my top 5 bands. There playing in Boston in a week and my cousin and I would love to go . Five hours south but worth it.
Of what I've heard
5. Light bulb sun (3.5/5)
4. Deadwing (3.5/5)
3. Closure/Continuation (4/5)
2. Fear of a Blank Planet (4.5/5)
1. In Absentia (5/5)
Overall really enjoy the band.
The fact that the guy whose favorite band is Radiohead saying that Porcupine Tree is boring and can't write a good song for some reason is hilarious to me. Very entertaining thou as always. Deadwing is the best for me and favorite song is Open car.
How bout that Smile album ! It's.. Kid B
Radiohead and Porcupine Tree fans alike have a tendency to overestimate the originality and profundity of the music that these bands make.
I’ve never been a huge fan of Finn McKenty/The Punk Rock MBA on RUclips, but he recently posted a video in which he called Radiohead “the Olive Garden of art rock bands,” which I thought was very apt.
11. The Incident
10. Closure/Continuation
9. On the Sunday of Life
8. Up the Downstair
7. Lightbulb Sun
6. Signify
5. In Absentia
4. Stupid Dream
3. Fear of a Blank Planet
2. Deadwing
1. The Sky Moves Sideways
No knowledge of this band except Mikael Akerfeldt was involved at some point, so this will be a great learning experience.. might have to watch later with some moonshine 😊
The Keyboard player was in Japan years earlier ..
@@davidellis5141 Oh? That’s intriguing. Thanks!
🤠 I reckon Porcupine Tree are attempting something that The Verve actually pulled off with great success on their early EPs like "She's a Superstar" and "Gravity Grave".
One week is too short. It kills it, especially if ‘you’re not in the mood for tedious prog rock’ 😂 Listen on your own pace.
Wow Joe sounds like he’s inside my ear 😂
Wow, the rivers run red with PT blood this week! Brutal gentlemen...brutal.
If you are looking to hear old school 70's prog styling from Steven Wilson check out The Raven That Refused To Sing. SW clearly shows off all his influences on this release with a top notch supporting band including Theo Travis who is all over the album with flute and sax.
Thanks to Joe for at least giving this band a fair chance. For many of us who loved the music of Pink Floyd, these guys are natural successors. It’s a pleasure to have them back together again, even if some people don’t agree:
11. On The Sunday Of Life (2.5 stars)
10. Up The Downstair (3 stars)
9. The Sky Moves Sideways (3.5 stars)
8. The Incident (3.5 stars)
7. Signify (3.5 stars)
6. Closure/Continuation (4 stars)
5. Lightbulb Sun (4 stars)
4. Deadwing (4.5 stars)
3. Stupid Dream (4.5 stars)
2. In Absentia (5 stars)
1. Fear Of A Blank Planet (5 stars)
Hey. Great list, very similar to mine.
@@RostyslavLogachov Thanks friend. There are quite a few of us who appreciate this band, even if 2 of the presenters don’t.
Hello Bryan. Hope you are doing well, my friend. Like I said before, I am not too familiar w this band. The only songs I heard were the ones you previously suggested and those were good. (Don't remember the titles. Sorry.) I will be sure to check out these five star albums and your favorite songs if you do a song list. 🙂
So i see the new album was in the middle of the pack . . .
@@NaughtyVampireGod Hi Naughty, good to hear from you. All is good with me thanks - I hope you are well and you enjoyed the July 4 celebrations yesterday.
To be honest, I didn’t expect much praise for this band but I’m a little surprised by the level of hostility from Jason and Kramzer. Still, it would be boring if we all liked the same things.
Yes, I will be posting my top 10 songs tomorrow. You will certainly recognise several of them from my previous SOTY lists.
I like several songs from the new album and whilst it’s not one of their best, it’s certainly worth listening to if you enjoy most of their music.
Cheers for now, my friend.
@@bryanbyrde8338 Hey Bryan - Thanks. We had a good time on the Fourth - mostly just relaxed. I haven't listened to this video yet but from the comments it sounds like the Boys were tough on this band. 🧐 I will let you know my opinion on the top songs. Take care, my friend.
My Ranking:
1. Fear of a Blank Planet (10/10)
2. Deadwing (10/10)
3. In Absentia (10/10)
4. The Sky Moves Sideways (10/10)
5. Closure/Continuation (9'5/10)
6. Lightning Sub (9/10)
7. Stupid Dream (8'5/10)
8. The Incident (8/10)
9. Signify (8/10)
10. Up The Downstairs (7'5/10)
11. On The Sunday of Life (5'5/10)
Greetings from Canary Islands
Really surprised at how abysmally low Kramz and Jason rate ALL of their albums! Credit to Joe for giving a "fairer" assessment - though he didn't seem completely sold to be fair. I am onboard with him re Wilson's solo output - didn't do anything for me either. PT and Blackfiield are my favourites and that's it.
🌵🌵🌵 (for Kramzer especially)
Omg - you guys - except for Joe just do not get it. The top left bloke is a crazy guy - and the top right guy is just a bit simple.
in 1996 I bought a compilation (Space Box) that had a PT track. it didn't grab me, but as I heard the reverent tones of their 90s fans, I gave them a shot. while I felt compelled to admire the ambition, nothing has ever stuck. Wilson solo was the same. his influences really show (Floyd, Genesis, Yes,...), and I think that's a good thing. but I think I echo Jason's thought that they don't have a lot of hooks. it's good ideas, but I'm not so into the execution
Guys seriously, at least call the albums/songs by their correct names … In Abstenchia 😂 really ? Pure Neurotic ??? I get you can over look some details but I’m just into the first two minuets you’ve blown a song title and an album title and blown them markedly. At least you were honest this band isn’t your thing … But at least try to pay attn to pertinent details.
Jason: "Elevator Prog" - brilliant.
What.... why do you repeatedly compare Porcupine Tree to Dream Theater? There's no comparison here. They don't play the same type of prog. You are comparing technical prog metal bands to a prog rock band and I feel like if you have gone into Porcupine Tree music framing them in this way you are just not getting what Porcupine tree do.
I respect your opinions but it was hard enough when you kept mentioning that they don't do big solo sections or technical jams.
I love a number of PT's records and at no point over the years of listening to them have I gone to them for riffs or solos. I feel they are more about atmosphere, the vocal layers and sometimes proggy arrangements. Calling FOABP "dream theater-lite" is such a bizarre comment. Or saying their music sounds like procedurally generated prog is hard to take seriously when you have mentioned some pretty by the numbers prog metal bands.
A friend of mine really loves this band, so I've heard quite a bit of their catalog. I have never felt the connection, therefore never purchased or spent time listening for my own pleasure. I do love the name of the band tho, and I would give my eyeteeth to look out and see a porcupine nesting in my spruce tree!...My eyeteeth I tell ya!
1) Signify - (4.5 stars) (1996) (Very strong guitars, harmonies and percussion. Beautifully atmospheric.)
2) Up the Downstair - (4 stars) (1993) (I dig it. some of the songs drag on too long though.)
3) Stupid Dream - (4 stars) (1999) (Nice but they skewed a little too poppy on this one. Should have cut Tinto Brass)
4) Lightbulb Sun - (3.5 stars) (2000) (Technically proficient but something is missing)
5) In Absentia - (3 stars)(2002) (This is a band struggling to find a new sound)
6) Fear of a Blank Planet - (3 stars) (2007)
7) Deadwing - (3 stars) (2005)
8) The Incident - (2.5 stars) (2009)
9) On the Sunday of Life - (2.5 stars) (1992) (Should have been a single album. some moments of promise though. He needs a drummer)
10) The Sky Moves Sideways - (2.5 stars) (1995) (A bit overindulgent and bland. He's definitely trying to channel David Gilmour and Floyd at times)
11) Closure/Continuation - (2 stars) (2022)
Really bucking the conventions eh. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic This was my first listen to them at all. I'm not sure what the conventions are and I am just about to actually watch the video. I just wanted to paste my list before shopping. :)
All I know is that you guys hated them based on the comments.
@@frodofraggins Hi Frodo, you have a good balanced opinion, my friend. Even though I don’t agree with your order of preference, you have neither gone overboard with praise (which fans like myself are often guilty of doing) nor have you condemned them outright (like certain others have done).
@@bryanbyrde8338 That's nice of you to say.
1. Stupid Dream
2. In Absentia
3. Fear Of A Blank Planet
4. Deadwing
5. Lightbulb Sun
All I will say is, anyone writing off the band based purely off this video without actually listening yourself, please at least give them a shot. For example, someone like myself perceives their music very differently than Jason or Kramzer.
Even we support this sentiment. Make up your own mind. 👍🏻
The string arrangements on Lightbulb Sun are by some guy named Dave Gregory.
This is why Joe is my favorite. 😃 I am more into Steven Wilson than Porcupine Tree but I enjoy some of their albums. The Sky Moves Sideways is a ripoff of Pink Floyd but some of their later albums I love.
It’s weird but I have literally never heard of them. They’ve made 11 albums over a couple of decades, they’re British, I’m British, I follow all kinds of music…but I had no awareness of their existence. Still an entertaining watch!
This is the 2nd time I've watched this and I find it funnier. I think I can pick up what they're laying down now. I have nothing invested in this band emotionally so it made me laugh. Thanks
Umm, more about them from me, got Up The Downstairs and In Absentia and dig ‘em quite a bit. Surprised to see the video (to say the least).
I always (pretty much) dug "In Absentia" and Hated "Signify". Deadwing is pretty good. Thanks to you guys tho, don't think I'll be diggin' much deeper! #Progisdeadanditmakesmesad
Loyal subscriber of the channel, absolutely love you guys ... but come on. Porcupine Tree as "generic???" Anything but. SW is easily of the most important artists around and active today. The explanations were full of cheap shots and just felt like fair listens were not given (minus Joe, of course). Kram you are the greatest but it's time to turn that frown upside down buddy!!!
I will miss Kramzer for this Grumpy-palooza😂. Hilarious. Jason was on fire too.😅 Greetings from Leipzig/ germany.
Can you do Opeth ranking?
You have to listen to the albums a few times to understand there music
Lips of ashes is there Best song along with dignity
Population 3 is a excellent instrumental
BTW Neil peart was a huge fan of porcupine tree
You should listen to Wilson albums like the raven some amazing guitar solos and progressive rock
Personally i don't see any dream theatre sounds
Because he’s bad. - Joe
This is really just an aside, but personally, it is just wild to me that Jason's dad had a Porcupine Tree CD. But that's because my parents were pre-Baby Boomer generation and basically never listened to rock music willingly. I can't think of a single musical artist I like that I learned or heard about from my parents, other than maybe a couple of old-school country singers. Just expressing wonder that parents and their kids actually bond over modern music and share it with one another, even though of course I know it happens.
How about adding Kings X to one of your future weeks?
Cool band but I've found them so hard to get into. Not huge on the vocals in particular, the playing is awesome though. I like a lot of songs but never full albums so far.
Big fan of the channel but haven't commented much. Also a big fan of Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson in general.
Anyway was just wondering if certain albums of artists have grown on you? Do you ever revisit albums you've ranked or songs you may not have liked at first but then find you liked them more later? Not just Porcupine Tree but in general.
I find a lot of bands and songs I like now I didn't really care for at first. I'm a big metal fan but when I first heard the band Queensyrche in the '80s didn't really like them. But they're one of my favorite bands now. At least up to their albums in the early to mid 90s.
Felt the same with King Diamond and Mercyful Fate. Couldn't get into the vocals at first but they grew on me.
So was just wondering if that has ever happened to you?
Oh it happens so often I’ve lost count really. But I don’t expect Jason and Kramzer to gain much appreciation for PT, there’s something about that era of rock music that totally turns them off. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic thanks for the reply.
Steven Wilson - Hand Cannot Erase
This is easily my favourite thing he's done. I like a good proportion of PT songs from each album, but there are always a couple I dislike. In Absentia/Fear Of A Blank Planet my two faves ( 4 stars )
But it sounds like Manic Street Preachers...late Manic Street Preachers too.
1. In Absentia (2002) 4.5/5
2. Fear of a Blank Planet (2007) 3.5/5
3. Deadwing (2005) 3.5/5
4. Stupid Dream (1999) 3/5
5. Signify (1996) 3/5
6. Closure & Continuation (2022) 3/5
7. Lightbulb Sun (2000) 2.5/5
8. The Incident (2009) 2.5/5
9. The Sky Moves Sideways (1995) 2.5/5
10. Up the Downstair (1993) 2.5/5
11. On the Sunday of Life... (1992) 2/5
CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:
2.0 On the Sunday of Life... (1992)
2.5 Up the Downstair (1993)
2.5 The Sky Moves Sideways (1995)
3.0 Signify (1996)
3.0 Stupid Dream (1999)
2.5 Lightbulb Sun (2000)
4.5 In Absentia (2002)
3.5 Deadwing (2005)
3.5 Fear of a Blank Planet (2007)
2.5 The Incident (2009)
3.0 Closure & Continuation (2022)
I came into this week as a fan of 2002's In Absentia but was pretty unfamiliar with the rest of their catalog. It turns out In Absentia is their one LP that I truly love. Almost all of the others feature a couple-four tracks I like, but don't amount to being compelling albums in their totality. Basically, the first half of their discography is imitation Pink Floyd and the second half leans on heavy metal. In Absentia is the turning point between the two and seems to be where it all came together for them. Definitely more of a songs band than an albums band for me, and that will be born out in tomorrow's top 10 songs list. Overall, I can't seem to connect much with prog-rock released after the 1970s (at least on an albums level) and Porcupine Tree continues that trend.
MY RATING SYSTEM:
5.0 = major classic (consistently great *and* stratospheric highs)
4.5 = minor classic (consistently great *or* stratospheric highs, but not both)
4.0 = great (a clear majority is worth revisiting and it's an essential record for this artist/style - passes my "it'll make a fan out of someone who's new to this artist" test)
3.5 = seriously good (at least half is worth revisiting)
3.0 = nominally good (less than half is worth revisiting)
2.5 = decent (competent but uninspired - not worth revisiting)
2.0 = poor (difficult listen)
1.5 = awful (can't finish it)
1.0 = historically awful (musical apocalypse)
*Note: "Consistently" does not mean "flawlessly." I allow for a few clunkers if the rest of the songs are good enough. I also don't go below 1 star because once I'm in the realm of the truly terrible I don't care to differentiate anymore. Anything I rate 3.5 stars or higher is an album I'm enthusiastic about and would likely revisit at some point.
Makes me think there may be a case to be made that you like In Absentia more because you're familiar with it and the others might rise in stature if you listen to them more.
@@179rich I listened to 'em a bunch although I suppose it's possible with they would grow on me with more time. I just see In Absentia as being on another level from the rest for sophisticated songwriting/melody. Their other albums have a song here or there that's as good as the ones on In Absentia, but none of them do it as consistently. Steven Wilson himself is on record saying 'Absentia' the best thing Porcupine Tree ever did.
Gotta love people coming on and bitching on a channel entirely based upon 3 mens' musical OPINIONS just because they dont share the same feelings towards some music.
You guys keep including and reviewing the bonus cuts. You're making things harder on yourselves lol
When i review albums I just go by original UK edition (assuming it's a UK band).
@@NaughtyVampireGod Original editions can have bonus cuts. As far as I know, the best thing to do is check wikipedia to know what the core album songs are.
@@179rich Well I mean the original LP . . CDs sometimes have "bonus tracks" (as did some cassettes) . . .
@@NaughtyVampireGod On streaming services, bonus cuts are often tacked on to the end of albums and they aren't identified as such. Joe has been talking a lot about bonus cuts as if they are part of the album proper and they're not.
@@179rich In some cases you will want to listen to those songs anyway for the top 10 songs list. I guess it depends on where these "bonus" songs are coming from. If they are non-album singles then you certainly wanna check them out. If they are odd 'n' sods then maybe only if you have the time. I agree they shouldn't be factored into the album rating/ranking.
Drink 10 shots when someone says “KaZaA.”
Gents - have you seen the Darren Lock review of the new record? Give it a go. May have something in common!
I suspect that you might like them a bit more if you saw them live .
I caught them in 2010 , and they do come across a lot better live .
Songs like Russia on Ice were much superior in that setting .
Anyway , here's my top 5 in order of preference :
Deadwing. ( the version of Shesmovedon is much better on this album , than the one on Lightbulb Sun )
In Absentia
Stupid Dream
Signify
Fear of a Blank Planet .
And , in addition to vocal arrangements , Mr. Wilson has been very adept at remixing and remastering some of the albums of King Crimson , Jethro Tull , ELP , Gentle Giant , XTC , and early Chicago ( to name a few ) .
Thanks !!
Steven was part of an old XTC message board that I was a part of for years.
Speaking of Spock’s Beard, that’d be a cool list to do