Tim and Pete's Guitar Show #11 TUNING, TASTE, DYNAMICS, TREMOLOS...
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2017
- In this series, hard working guitarists Tim Pierce and Pete Thorn discuss all things related and relevant to GUITAR! Gear demos, guitar tricks and tips, recording techniques, interviews... it's all here on Tim and Pete's Guitar Show. Tim and Pete will alternate posting episodes to each of their respective channels, so be sure and subscribe to both channels so you won't miss an episode!
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J Walsh impersonation - 10 Stars.
Please, add my vote to the folks who would be perfectly happy to simply listen to you two gentleman discuss musicianship, no matter which direction the conversation leads you. I love the guest episodes, too, but this was fantastic.
I learn more from listening to these guys talk shop than a paid lesson. The fly on the wall aspect of these conversations is priceless.
Thanks for the kind kind words guys.
What a great way to spend 35 minutes... this was awesome guys!
Yourry Breshnev sorry dude bored me to death nothing good came outta this show other than Pete's Joe walsh
Great episode guys! Don't underestimate how enjoyable it is with just the two of you.
In my opinion one of the best episodes yet. You guys talked about TASTEFUL playing and things that actually matter in the context of a composition. I feel that's the most impressive part of music. Look at composers and the way they utilize breath, note length, incidentals and dynamics to create wholly emotive movements and often times they resolve in the most simplistic ways. I just think it's great that two guys with epic chops are coming out and sort of saying, "feel more, play less"...
Well put, Sir.
(My example would be Jon Brion's simple solo in Aimee Mann's "You're with stupid now" )
Yep, music is all about feel, it is an emotional medium-it just so happens you can get carried away with the 'cerebral' parts of it via theory, and methodology and a lot of players do seem to get hung up on that. Great to see comments like this, it reassures me that guitar playing is alive and well-as an 'older player' this is important to me!
Bothand Nether Oh man, that solo is gold. HUGE Jon Brion fan.
One of the best episodes guys. All because of the technical concepts pertaining to tracking.
Steve Lukather would be an awesome guest...can you imagine the stories that you three could trade??? 👍🏼
These episodes are like symposiums for the professional guitarist. Petes point about how the speaker reacts to different intervals helped me ascribe an explanation to a phenomena Ive encountered but never thought about or rationalized. Please keep doing these shows when you've got the time
Always a pleasure to watch you guys. I feel inspired once again!
Best thing on the internet is Tim and Pete.
Great show! Thank you both for your time and effort.
thank you Tim and Pete! always get excited when i see a new one!
Joe P
Always good to hear you guys.!
You're a blessing to many musicians around the world.!
Great guitar players and master minds.!
A total pleasure, thank you gentlemen.
Great vid.
I been banging my head against the wall trying find solutions to serveral of the tropics covered in this vid. It has also solidified some theories I've had but weren't 100% sure about.
Great job, keep it up,
thanks.
literally the best episode you guys ever did on whatever YT channel ever
Grateful for you guys and all you share.
Always great when there's a new ep of the Tim & Pete Show !!! Peter Green & Gary Moore both were great exponents of space, less is more.
I have to echo the same impression from this episode. Tim and Pete, you both have such a relaxed , comfortable manner that I find myself 100 % captured and I take away so much information that I am still processing it hours later.! *****
Fantastic video. Now I'm going to binge watch the rest of this series.
Love the way y'all addressed the taking of a breath when soloing... It'll help folks to be more melodic... thanx and thanx for another great vid you guys! cheers
The flame on that Les Paul is incredible. Great Episode.
Man, that knowledge and wisdom. Thank you guys, even five years later😃
Great episode guys! Keep'em comin! Love the tips, just got a LP, so that was helpful Pete! Tim, love the smile and all you bring as well, show and tell was fun and all the "taste" section was completely useful for many musicians these days.
you guys are great and its always fun to listen to you both !
I have a guitar with a treble bleed circuit - and I like it, but I also like the conventional wiring. Because the old school back in the 40s and 50s thought of the volume knob as a boost, and with it came extra treble to help cut. So there is something to be said to keeping the volume pot "stock" and then going back to the amp and setting it up a little brighter than you normally would - such that 6-7 becomes your new "10" in terms of treble content.
Try it on a push-pull, it keeps access to the stock wiring, and you can optionally use a larger capacitor.
I've actually wired my Nephew's SG with a Push/Pull pot to go back and forth between vintage 50s wiring and modern wiring. I think I like the 50s wiring better than a treble bleed for preserving the highs.
Best of both worlds, Richard Hunter. Great tip.
After hearing similar advice a few months ago, I tried putting the volume and tone knobs on my guitars at "7" and then used my amp's gain/EQ/etc to get the tone I wanted... making the volume and tone knobs way more useful than they were previously (since now I can add or subtract rather than just subtract). Depending on what kind of pickups/electronics you have (and amp), you might not be able to get the tone you want by blindly choosing 7 as the magic number, maybe you can only get what you want at 9 or 8.5 or whatever - but if you can get the tone you want while adding on-the-fly versatility for free, why wouldn't you?
Yeah, I don't understand why everyone puts all the guitar knobs on 10 - and then complain they have little use? There use to be life before boost pedals and overdrive pedals - guys set up their amps dirty and bright and used those knobs to tone things down to get a 'clean' tone and then back up for ripping. To this day that still seems easier to me than just putting everything to 10 and then using a board full of pedals and always tweaking 10+ pedals with all their own Eq's to work with each other. Even with pedals you get more use - heck, I can even get my volume knob down to 3 on my neck hum buckers and they still sound good and not muddy.
I'm so glad you mentionted the bloom thing when you play softly at a high volume. It's something that I've learned from playing the fretless bass and, if memory serves me well, Gary Willis is a big advocate of playing with a soft touch through a loud amp in order to sound massive in the mix. On the other hand, we have players like Dave Hollingworth (of Dorje and Toska) who play very aggresively to make the notes jump out without the bloom.
Great tip on tuning Les Pauls. Can't wait to try that one out. I love being a fly on the wall, listening to these guys. so much to take in.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience!
Great vid guys! thanks for making it!
great episode .... great information .... best guitar channel on youtube. Period.
so much gold in this episode, thanks guys!
I wish I'd never noticed Tim's pick balance on his first finger. Even whilst he's playing he releases his thumb and balances that pick. Just thought I'd share so I'm not the only one distracted.....SORRY...!
Great episode fella's....thankyou.
Two great guitar players sharing their insight. What's not to love?!!!
You guys are legends. Wow. Thanks for sharing.
this is my first Tim and Petes' guitar show, even though I subscribe to your channel, Pete...very entertaining and I picked up several tips during the show... I'll watch the other 10 now
Loved it, another winner ...
LOVE This stuff.
Thanks Tim and Pete.
Absolutely insightful (and always fun) discussion with two guitar greats. Thanks so much for making these videos and sharing them with us. I always learn tons from you guys! Incidentally, regarding Tim's point about breaking up parts of chords among different tracks, I recently recorded a tune that contained something like 6 different guitar parts (one acoustic, the others all electric). I didn't think about it too much at the time, but the ringing of upper partials was exactly why I split some relatively simple elements among so many tracks. I'd describe the effect of doing so as creating a warmer, less harsh ringing of overtones. And the tune's a slow-ish minor ballad that I felt it called for a bit more warmth. So thanks for helping me codify this more clearly! :-)
great stuff ..I love watching you guys. even with no extra guest it was still awesome an fun to watch ...
Great Les Paul tuning tip. After watching Tim’s video on the String Butler, I purchased one and put it on my LP - WOW. It really works to keep that G string in tune. Now I want to put one on all my Gibson guitars. Thanks Tim for the tip!
So much good stuff! Especially at 29:00 and then again right after at 30:13 . Love your channel, Pete. How do you not have way more subscribers?!
You guys are awesome!!!! Great topic this episode. One thing folks don't touch on often is tuning stability issues. Myself az a lover of the vibrato system for shimmer and Belewesque type things. ANd a fan of the B bender... I have fought tuning issues bigtime with a couple different guitars. Good point on the attention that was spent on your knife edges Pete. Lyle Workman Rules!! Take care Tim and Pete!!! Thanks for the great info!!!
That's so tue what Pete said about it coming on the 1. Taking the time to play the right lick really grabs the listeners attention. Same thing with silence like Tim said, these videos should be mandatory for guitar players because there's so many little things that you guys discuss that are actually a big deal. Pick attack too it's all so relevant, great episode.
Thanks, gents. Good info on a bunch of subjects. Loved the section on minus 3rds/9ths recorded separately. Gonna help on mastering.
After 35 years playing guitar myself finally a vid with something to take away regarding tuning! Amazing. You live and learn, don't you?
Love the Show Guys....Keep'em Coming & Thanks For Sharing :-) + God Bless You All +
I love these talks. It was almost like you were talking directly to how I play. I tend to play rhythm at about 7, and solo dimed. But I really need to work on my soloing spaces. I always end up with too much going on, too soon. Great advice guys.
great episode guys. Thank you
Great as always.
The Nerdist podcast (Chris Hardwick) has guests and then "hostful" episodes where it's just the multiple hosts conversing and riffing, and it works very well.
Besides, you guys have so much to offer in experience, knowledge, and your presence, that it would take a long time for it to get boring.
Love this guys. More more more!!
Rod
absolutely loved this.
Great show guys. Thanks
...and BTW, please don't be afraid to jam... I love listening to you two do the magic
"Oh,hey...we"re back" - great name for a talkshow, methinx.
-Thanx Fellas, I live for these shows.
Loved the show. I don't play guitar; keyboard and drums for me, but I subscribe to your channels guys, because I love your skill and enjoy the knowledge. Thank you.
Thanks for the tips on tuning the Les Paul. Very helpful. IN your interview Scott H. also talked about how he always keeps the volume turned down a bit on the guitar.
Great stuff, and top idea for a show!
Great work gentlemen!
Those moserite guitars are some of the best guitars to ever play. Perfect low action. I lived in Booneville Arkansas at the time and they moved the factory there in '91 for a little while.
Great episode!
Maybe I'm a bit dim, but I didn't even realize there wasn't a guest until Pete mentioned it at the end.
Loved tuning tips for the shorter scale guitars and I'm sure every one of us guitar nerds paused the video to look at Tim's pedalboard xD
Excellent !!!
Good guys. Love your talk.
Joe Walsh impersonation was spot-on!
The Bomber/Closet Queen from Rides Again. Asshtonpark from the same record also had some great echo.
The Bomber/Closet Queen
Ear friendly, but not radio friendly! Only guitarists would really appreciate it. Glad you like it. It's high on my list of influences.
Nailed it!!! Haha
Pete!!! At 2:20 you played the exact riff I do when I'm waiting for other people to set up for sound check at church!!! 😂
Just love These Guys!!✌🎸🎼More shows! More Guests! More Meandering Conversations bout Playing and Cool MusicThings! More Random Jaming!!!More Coffee!!😀✌🎼👍🎸🎸🎵🔊
+Tim Pierce Guitar +Pete Thorn Great stuff! Couple killer observations mentioned here that are very helpful to know, so one can find a solution. I remember these points helping me greatly when I discovered them some yrs ago. Wish this show existed when I was younger! (A) Classic electric guitars were built (scale, fret positions etc..) in the era of a wound G. (B) Do some quick research on equal temperament (our modern tuning method), the 5ths are more 'in-tune' than 3rds (especially maj 3rds). It's not specific to guitar. We're fighting against the math of equal temperament.
Awesome!!!
Thank you!
Love it fellas..
Great episode.
The tuning stuff was super helpful info, I've long been having problems with my LP. Gotta try Pete's idea.
The discussion re. playing lighter through a loud rig puts me in mind of Mark Knopfler. In the late 90s he was playing an EMG-equipped Suhr through a Soldano SL100, a set-up that would imply a heavy sound. Yet because he played fingestyle with lots of dynamics he wasn't getting a stereotypical 'heavy' tone.
Esses dois são os melhores !!!! Pete e Tim, the best !!!
Love the April Wine mash up at the end! :D
Ha, great Joe Walsh impression Pete :) Thanks for all you guys do!
I love content like this.
Good stuff, fellas
truly cool!
Great B-string tuning tips! I have the same difficulty with my low E string. I get it in tune perfectly, but when you fret a note, it goes sharp. So instead of tuning to an open string, always tune to a fretted note. If the open string goes a little bit flat, it is far less noticeable than a sharp fretted note.
Hello guys,that was a cool and funny video.love your stuff.Thanx for sharing. :)
I learned some high level ninja tricks in this one. Thanks guys!
Big Bends! Yep that stuff is awesome !
Really run and insightful :)
Loving the Danelectro! I am so going to buy one in time as well as a PRS Santana styli
That Danelectro is awesome! Also, the tuning tricks were cool. Even on my Telecaster in drop D I always tune the 6th string a little flat.
My husband Phil Brigham (co-writer and guitarist of “The Chase” from Kill Bill Vol. 2 and long time musician in Massachusetts) has been tuning the way they suggest in this video for years. The low E, the G and B strings are tuned ever so slightly low so when you play on the 2nd and 3rd frets you don’t sound noticeably sharp. Allows you to play in all 12 keys without retuning too much.
Nice Gibbo tuning tips, handy for someone who's been playing 40 years😉👍
Thanks for the vid guys !!! Been waiting a while lol!!
I bet Paul Gilbert would come chat with you two :)
Great show
Thanks Guys
I used to own Floyd equipped guitars then I got a Gibson SG and it drove me crazy how it would go out of tune. I was so used to the Floyds that for me almost never went out of tune then the Gibson was constantly going out of tune. I almost sold the guitar. I tried that "Nut Sauce" and that was that. It makes a HUGE difference. How did people get by without it in the past?
Same! I actually wondered if Nut Sauce was the thing (or something similar before if was branded) that guys like Blackmore and Uli Roth might have used back in the day to stay more or less in tune...
lilnetty2
It has been proved time and again that angling the claw makes no difference. If you think about it, it's obvious.
The trem is balanced on 6 screws, equally, you cannot influence how they move by using the claw as he suggests.
Carl is a great player and if the placebo of the claw has him convinced that's all that matters to him.
The reality is different.
Pete. I liked the tip of the toque to April Wine at the end.
That discussion of splitting chords up to avoid disturbing odd harmonics interference is interesting and a secret that not all are famiilar with. Exactly how big a difference this does can be tested by doing the famous Thin Lizzy harmony thing -
first by doing it in one take with double stops and then in two separate single string takes. It's like night and day. If you do this with amp simulator plugins, remember to give each harmony part its own amp, or else it sounds just as bad as playing double stops, since the signals are mixed before they are processed.
On a more subtle level this can be applied on chord/rhythm playing, like is discussed in this video. Amps and overdrive/distortion pedals differ in how pronounced odd overtones are produced and most of us prefer a distorted/overdriven sound that lends itself to playing more notes than one and even full chords, without sounding like barb wire. But to get that completely smooth sound you need to resort to the trick discussed in the video, i.e. splitting up the chords between several takes.
There have been experiments in making guitar pickups where each string is picked up and output individually and if routed to six different amps result i what's called clean distortion. The downside is that afaik no-one has been able to make such pickups that don't sacrifice other aspects of your guitar tone. And of course, using six different amps is a bit cumbersome and expensive. For tracking with amp sim plugins this is of course not an issue, as you can use as many amp instances as you like (and the CPU can handle).
It's not so much a matter of re-tuning to make up for temperation, as might be perceived in how this is discussed in this video. It's more a question of having each note sound produced individually.
I think i also liked this episode, better than the ones with guests, i definitely took allot more away from it... keep them coming guys !
You guys are great
Fantastic video one more time, hi of spanish fan