Being an Ergohuman V2 owner, I can definitely say the quality of the chair is extremely high. However, if you are transitioning from a gaming chair with a flat back or you have no experience with lumber support at all you may want to try before you buy. Even thou the strength of lumber support is adjustable... Imo, it can still be pretty aggressive.
@@Velheibgnar Standing at the back of the chair, clockwise is less firm and anti- clockwise is firm. However, you need to wind the dial a lot! Imo, it's way too firm even at the weakest position...
@@jassassine6973 its the opposite. Clockwise = to the left = more firm. But yeah the lowest position is still sooo freaking strong its annoying. BUT ngl after reading your comment i realized ive never tried to set it to the max (full left) and its quite nice. It doesn't move and i dont have the annoying sensation of something pushing in my back anymore...for now. Totally didn't expected this. Thanks.
Had been using ergohuman v1 and the tension of mesh weaken after 1 yr and also wheels start to breaking off after 2 years. But overall still a great chair 😂
Thanks a lot for the video! I was looking for a proper ergonomic chair to solve my back and neck pain issues and I think this is the one. I'm 6'4 for reference
Hey Greg. Thanks to your video on this chair two weeks ago, I went ahead and purchased one from your website as I was/am actively searching for a new chair. I tried an Aeron and I think I prefer the Ergohuman. It's not even a price/budget thing. Id like it more if they were both $0! Funny thing to note. The only thing I don't like about it is the one thing you seem to really love: The arm rests moving with you when you recline. It makes it so that you can't recline even a tiny bit and continue to use your mouse/keyboard. Because the arm rests angle upwards and dig into your forearms. Also, ive had it for two weeks and I still can't quite find the right settings for me. I end up trying a new seat depth, backrest height, and lumbar strength combination daily. Did it take you some time to find the right settings for you?
That is awesome. Thank you for the business and feedback! Just out of curiosity, how far are you attempting to recline in the chair and continue to use your keyboard and mouse? Maybe the only downside to so many adjustments :) Trying to find that perfect fit. I sat in the all mesh and then the combination of mesh/leather Ergohuman for years. Jumping into the new one was like riding a bike. Didn't take much to get it dialed in. The only part of the chair that I'm still messing with a bit is the lumbar strength. Sometimes I like a little more tension and other days not as much. Not sure i'll have an exact setup for it I use everyday in the future. Hopefully that helps! -Greg
Wow man thank you for pointing that out, I wouldn't have thought about it. With my working position being almost lying back and the chair tucked under the desk this feature is a complete no-go :( otherwise this chair seems the best
@@btodtv The chair has a total of 4 positions, if you include the default/upright mode. So, in position 2 of 4, the least reclined setting, the arm rests already begin to dig into my arms. Its not the most painful thing ever, but its also not a pleasant feeling. I can either take the pain, or I have to go through the process of lowering the armrests a few notches to sort of match the front of the arm rest with my desk. Which, as much as I do love these arm rests (very plush!), it is a pain in the butt to adjust the height. Or, should I say, to at least match each side to ensure they are at the same height. Though I know the Aeron has the same issues, as the arm rests follow your arms in a similar fashion. Also, I can never tell if my bottom is sitting on the seat correctly. I do try to ensure my legs are the proper distance from the front of the seat. But Im not sure how far the rear side of my bottom, towards the tail bone area, should be hanging off the edge? I had a similar issue when I tried a Steelcase Leap V2 (points to the Leap V2 for its arm rests not following the recline, so they don't hit me strangely like the Ergohuman does). I couldn't tell at what point "too much was too much" in terms of your bottom hanging off the rear end of the seat. Its a rather strange feeling, as most chairs don't have a gaping hole in that area (such as an Aeron). Perhaps I am overthinking all of this haha.
The point is that the chair is adjustable and believe it or not the way our body feels changes every day. It takes seconds to adjust and should be a matter of daily routine. if the settings are not right as you work adjust them. I am by the way the Sales Director of Comfort UK
i got the ergohuman ioo elite 2 which the salesman told me its almost the same with this.nice chair so far.Only annoing thing is while the 5d armrest feature is good there is a hard spot where you can recline them so its not all soft like this.About the mesh seat comfort its not bad.
really considering to buy this chair but I'm confused with all the different versions I find in online stores: - Elite - Elite G2/V2 - Elite Plus - High Back - Luxury would appreciate some clarification which versions actually exist and which some stores just seem to make up or rename for no reason.
It's nice to see another cheaper alternative to the Aeron, because it's not exactly affordable for most ppl, unless they get a very good deal or buy second hand. My old mesh office chair looked similar to the Ergohuman, but it was much cheaper and very uncomfortable for long sessions.
im that guy that has that odd build im short 5'8 and stout 285 lbs is a nice way of putting it lol but i have a wide base and i struggle to find a comfortable chair i was wondering out of the Amia the Zody and the fern which one would fit a body type like mine best. Iv asked this question a few time to a few other channels and never get a reply so if you guys could weigh in that would be AWESOME!!!
I would get a measurement of the width you require to be comfortable sitting in a chair. This is key to understanding how wide the seat should be to fit a wider base. The three chairs you mentioned are pretty standard when it comes to sizing, so I'd be concerned all would be too narrow -Greg
I purchased one of these from BTOD 2 weeks ago. It came with official documentation about the chair, and it says it supports up to 275lbs. So it may not be the one for you brother, sorry.
Yes, I would probably avoid the chair if you are over 250lbs. Especially if you carry the weight in your legs, because the seat might be a bit too narrow to get comfortable -Greg
You should be able to find this without issue in the European market. It is available in most major markets. I would ask if the sellers showcasing GEN1 have access -Greg
Yes, at 6'4" this should work out well for you. The GEN1 wasn't great at that height, but changes they made to backrest and headrest helped for taller users -Greg
I like the Karman, but it has some issues. The seat is probably my second favorite mesh seat. The padding underneath cheats the mesh concept a bit. I wish the arms weren't so cheap feeling, such a disappointment compared to the Amia and Leap 4 way arms. The lumbar is also lacking. I like an aggressive lumbar. But the flexibility in the backrest is amazing and one of the best features of the chair -Greg
Yes is does. It's option for super straight position but in my opinion not for very long sessions. Having an option and using is for a change is good tho.
Gen 1 yes, as for Gen 2; I can see several UK distributors. Thank you for the good reviews btw, I'm slowly getting addicted to improving my home office.
I live in Spain and ordered one just now. Thanks for your good reviews and test. I have to say what you deliver is quality, and helped me a lot in my pre-purchase analysis. Thanks
@@btodtv nice. Will be interesting to hear. They get mixed reviews on reddit, but mostly the v1. I’ve tried the v2 in normal size, liked it and ordered the taller one, but haven’t received it yet.
Now they have the Hinomi X1 which I just got yesterday, I can tell you it's a game changer in terms of comfort and adjustability. Definitely worth checking out, also half the price of an Aeron. Really the best bang for the buck!
which would you choose between this one and the HM embody? I am a bit worried about the HM embody because a couple of you spoke about the shoulder part making your shoulders protract and not being suitable for 8+ hours
@@zeus3freedom im keeping the Embody because the Ergohuman Gen2 lumbar support was killing my lower back after trying it without reclyining for 2 days...too aggressive for my back...feel free to ask anything if you want to
@Frozen92C Many thanks for your reply! As I don't have the chance to try any of them, this is exactly what worries me, and I have also heard other people saying that, the lumbar support is a bit too aggressive even at the lowest setting on the Ergohuman... What is the feeling on the shoulders on the Embody? Does it push you forward too much? I'm 172 cm (68 inches) and 80 kg. How firm it is the seat? Is it softer compared to the Ergohuman? And I also heard something about the backrest of the Embody that could be uncomfortable (like some pegs). Do you feel like that too? Of course, every person's perception is different, but your opinion matters. Thank you very much!
@@zeus3freedom im 169cm and 65kg. Regarding the shoulders its a bit tricky...so, if you set the Backfit knob AND the tilt tension knob at max settings, i do feel the top of the backrest pressing over my shoulders but not that much, still, imo, not a great settings because it is the opposite for which this chair is designed for. Flexibility and movement. It doesn't push me forward too much, i've always the feeling of the backrest supporting me and not the opposite, me pushing into the backrest. I would say the seat is good mix between firm and comfy/cushion like material. Is like sitting on a slim latex mattress with springs underneath. It is softer than the Ergohuman. Yeah the back its kinda weird in the beginning and i get why...that feeling comes from the lower part of the backrest, around the lumbar area, right behind the spine...its normal the first few days (like 3/4 for me) but i don't feel it anymore. I cant say why i got used to it tho...wheter its my back adjusting the posture or the chair breaking in or something...idk. The ergohuman mesh its itchy on the skin wheter the embody feels really nice. The embody gets quite hot and really fast too. Especially the sit. Not really a problem if you have AC on but keep that in mind too. Its ok for me in my room at 27C and 35% humidity. But above that i get a bit uncomfortable.
As producent says Basic has plastic frame of headrest, plastic lever mechanism, lacks strength adjustments of lumbar support. Elite has it all, parts are made of plastic Pro version has parts made of metal, both lever and headrest holder, and you can "save" your position of tilt I guess not sure how to translate it
We are based in the USA. That is a brand that is mostly found in Europe. The times we've tested the chairs at shows, none of us have been overly optimistic they would rank high. Most are very unique and interesting. But this means they are likely to be very polarizing -Greg
I'm not sure they were thinking of the elderly population when building high performance office chairs that are designed to maximize productivity and comfort in the office ;) -Greg
@@btodtv I have an Aeron Remastered stool that came with a "tilt limiter" knob but what I really wanted was the "tilt limiter and seat angle" that allow me to engage the forward tilt feature. How can I upgrade this?
GEN1 or the first iteration of the chair had issues in the seat, which is what I reference in this video and the one I did a couple weeks ago. The GEN2 solved a lot of those issues, by redesigning the seat. I couldn't use the all mesh GEN1, but I have no issues in GEN2. -Greg
I spend most of my day sitting in front of my computer. I'm looking for an ergonomic office chair that can help me maintain good posture and prevent back pain. I'm hoping you can recommend a few chairs that fit my needs.! have a budget of 300 euros, 500 euros, and 700 euros. Could you please suggest 2-3 chairs in each price range? Thank you so much
Man, you guys should expand to Canada. It's impossible to find good chairs in Canada that aren't ridiculously pricey, unless you live in a metro.
And Mexico too, please!
Me too.. I want the Lamia in Canada
I would love to have you guys in the UK too. 😁
Same in France :,)
EU in general seems to be completely lacking in good chair resellers/refurbishers
Seems like I've finally found a chair I'm gonna go for, thanks!
So, you went for it?
Gen2, v2, Ergohuman 2... really confusing as a consumer..
Being an Ergohuman V2 owner, I can definitely say the quality of the chair is extremely high. However, if you are transitioning from a gaming chair with a flat back or you have no experience with lumber support at all you may want to try before you buy. Even thou the strength of lumber support is adjustable... Imo, it can still be pretty aggressive.
Do you know how the lumber support adjust works? Left or right I feel and see no difference at all.
@@Velheibgnar Standing at the back of the chair, clockwise is less firm and anti- clockwise is firm. However, you need to wind the dial a lot! Imo, it's way too firm even at the weakest position...
@@jassassine6973 its the opposite. Clockwise = to the left = more firm. But yeah the lowest position is still sooo freaking strong its annoying. BUT ngl after reading your comment i realized ive never tried to set it to the max (full left) and its quite nice. It doesn't move and i dont have the annoying sensation of something pushing in my back anymore...for now. Totally didn't expected this. Thanks.
Had been using ergohuman v1 and the tension of mesh weaken after 1 yr and also wheels start to breaking off after 2 years. But overall still a great chair 😂
1 year for a 1k chair is aweful
I don't know about US but in EU you can get Ergohuman 1/2 in full mesh, mesh back only, and full leather
Could you please tell me where did you see this?
Thanks a lot for the video! I was looking for a proper ergonomic chair to solve my back and neck pain issues and I think this is the one. I'm 6'4 for reference
Hey Greg. Thanks to your video on this chair two weeks ago, I went ahead and purchased one from your website as I was/am actively searching for a new chair. I tried an Aeron and I think I prefer the Ergohuman. It's not even a price/budget thing. Id like it more if they were both $0!
Funny thing to note. The only thing I don't like about it is the one thing you seem to really love: The arm rests moving with you when you recline. It makes it so that you can't recline even a tiny bit and continue to use your mouse/keyboard. Because the arm rests angle upwards and dig into your forearms.
Also, ive had it for two weeks and I still can't quite find the right settings for me. I end up trying a new seat depth, backrest height, and lumbar strength combination daily. Did it take you some time to find the right settings for you?
That is awesome. Thank you for the business and feedback!
Just out of curiosity, how far are you attempting to recline in the chair and continue to use your keyboard and mouse?
Maybe the only downside to so many adjustments :) Trying to find that perfect fit. I sat in the all mesh and then the combination of mesh/leather Ergohuman for years. Jumping into the new one was like riding a bike. Didn't take much to get it dialed in.
The only part of the chair that I'm still messing with a bit is the lumbar strength. Sometimes I like a little more tension and other days not as much. Not sure i'll have an exact setup for it I use everyday in the future. Hopefully that helps!
-Greg
Wow man thank you for pointing that out, I wouldn't have thought about it. With my working position being almost lying back and the chair tucked under the desk this feature is a complete no-go :( otherwise this chair seems the best
@@btodtv The chair has a total of 4 positions, if you include the default/upright mode. So, in position 2 of 4, the least reclined setting, the arm rests already begin to dig into my arms. Its not the most painful thing ever, but its also not a pleasant feeling. I can either take the pain, or I have to go through the process of lowering the armrests a few notches to sort of match the front of the arm rest with my desk. Which, as much as I do love these arm rests (very plush!), it is a pain in the butt to adjust the height. Or, should I say, to at least match each side to ensure they are at the same height. Though I know the Aeron has the same issues, as the arm rests follow your arms in a similar fashion.
Also, I can never tell if my bottom is sitting on the seat correctly. I do try to ensure my legs are the proper distance from the front of the seat. But Im not sure how far the rear side of my bottom, towards the tail bone area, should be hanging off the edge? I had a similar issue when I tried a Steelcase Leap V2 (points to the Leap V2 for its arm rests not following the recline, so they don't hit me strangely like the Ergohuman does). I couldn't tell at what point "too much was too much" in terms of your bottom hanging off the rear end of the seat. Its a rather strange feeling, as most chairs don't have a gaping hole in that area (such as an Aeron). Perhaps I am overthinking all of this haha.
The point is that the chair is adjustable and believe it or not the way our body feels changes every day. It takes seconds to adjust and should be a matter of daily routine. if the settings are not right as you work adjust them. I am by the way the Sales Director of Comfort UK
i got the ergohuman ioo elite 2 which the salesman told me its almost the same with this.nice chair so far.Only annoing thing is while the 5d armrest feature is good there is a hard spot where you can recline them so its not all soft like this.About the mesh seat comfort its not bad.
Could you please consider reviewing the Knoll Generation? Every Generation review on RUclips is super hokey.
really considering to buy this chair but I'm confused with all the different versions I find in online stores:
- Elite
- Elite G2/V2
- Elite Plus
- High Back
- Luxury
would appreciate some clarification which versions actually exist and which some stores just seem to make up or rename for no reason.
this!
It is the Ergohuman Elite G2 that is being reviewed -Greg
the name is a night mare and gets even worse in europe (guess they dont have the rights for the name or something its every time diffrent)
I hate companies that have such poor naming conventions.
Even Casio watches that have those weird model numbers are much easier to identify. 😂
o melhor, comprei na ergoboost no brasil
gen 2
It's nice to see another cheaper alternative to the Aeron, because it's not exactly affordable for most ppl, unless they get a very good deal or buy second hand.
My old mesh office chair looked similar to the Ergohuman, but it was much cheaper and very uncomfortable for long sessions.
I have a crackling feeling after release. To normal?
hi...thanks for the great content...can you guys review "H1 Pro V2" from Hinomi as well?... I think it's a decent chair
Video for Hinomi H1 Pro goes live 1/24 -Greg
much appreciated @@btodtv
Is the video for the Hinomi still out today?
nope not yet@@sg-ic9ei
im that guy that has that odd build im short 5'8 and stout 285 lbs is a nice way of putting it lol but i have a wide base and i struggle to find a comfortable chair i was wondering out of the Amia the Zody and the fern which one would fit a body type like mine best. Iv asked this question a few time to a few other channels and never get a reply so if you guys could weigh in that would be AWESOME!!!
I would get a measurement of the width you require to be comfortable sitting in a chair. This is key to understanding how wide the seat should be to fit a wider base. The three chairs you mentioned are pretty standard when it comes to sizing, so I'd be concerned all would be too narrow -Greg
@@btodtv the current chair i sit in is 22inches so any suggestions with that width?
Im on the larger side (around 300), I've been considering the Aeron size c but would I fit in the Ergohuman?
I purchased one of these from BTOD 2 weeks ago. It came with official documentation about the chair, and it says it supports up to 275lbs. So it may not be the one for you brother, sorry.
@@Krackerjax thank you
Yes, I would probably avoid the chair if you are over 250lbs. Especially if you carry the weight in your legs, because the seat might be a bit too narrow to get comfortable -Greg
I am exactly 250lbs would it work?@@btodtv
im over 300 and i've been using ergohuman gen1 for the last 8 years without any problems.
You didn't use the forward tilt! It will answer the doubts you have about support and reclining issues....
its rly hard to find this chair in europe(germany) idk if some one knows where to get it pls write me
You should be able to find this without issue in the European market. It is available in most major markets. I would ask if the sellers showcasing GEN1 have access -Greg
Will the high adjustment for the back rest stay in place and not slide down on its own?
I got the ergohuman gen2 ultra a couple of days ago and it really is amazing. In regards to your question, yes it does stay fixed.
@@kajzar Thx very much. That's my only concern before placing order.
Would you consider it for 195 cm tall, about 6.4 feet?
Yes, at 6'4" this should work out well for you. The GEN1 wasn't great at that height, but changes they made to backrest and headrest helped for taller users -Greg
@@btodtv Thanks for answer. Looking forward to it to get to Europe, now it's still not enough offer.
What does Greg think of the Karman, the other most recent competitor to the Aeron?
I like the Karman, but it has some issues. The seat is probably my second favorite mesh seat. The padding underneath cheats the mesh concept a bit. I wish the arms weren't so cheap feeling, such a disappointment compared to the Amia and Leap 4 way arms. The lumbar is also lacking. I like an aggressive lumbar. But the flexibility in the backrest is amazing and one of the best features of the chair -Greg
@@btodtvWhat's your favourite mesh seat?
Does the ErgoHuman lock in the forward tilt mode?
Yes is does. It's option for super straight position but in my opinion not for very long sessions. Having an option and using is for a change is good tho.
I'm getting one if they come to Sweden
I'm kind of surprised it isn't available there right now? Do you see the GEN1 available in your market? -Greg
Gen 1 yes, as for Gen 2; I can see several UK distributors.
Thank you for the good reviews btw, I'm slowly getting addicted to improving my home office.
I live in Spain and ordered one just now. Thanks for your good reviews and test. I have to say what you deliver is quality, and helped me a lot in my pre-purchase analysis. Thanks
@@jabbathehoodrat6871 Where did you order from?😎
they also have a sweedish shop
What do you think about hinomi h1 pro v2?
We have the Hinomi H1 Pro first impressions video going live on Thursday 1/24 :) -Greg
@@btodtv nice. Will be interesting to hear. They get mixed reviews on reddit, but mostly the v1. I’ve tried the v2 in normal size, liked it and ordered the taller one, but haven’t received it yet.
Now they have the Hinomi X1 which I just got yesterday, I can tell you it's a game changer in terms of comfort and adjustability. Definitely worth checking out, also half the price of an Aeron. Really the best bang for the buck!
which would you choose between this one and the HM embody? I am a bit worried about the HM embody because a couple of you spoke about the shoulder part making your shoulders protract and not being suitable for 8+ hours
This is exactly my issue now, trying to pick one between Embody and Ergohuman Gen 2... which one did you choose in the end?
@@zeus3freedom i've been testing both in the past 11 days and...ngl its very hard to choose between the 2....
@@zeus3freedom im keeping the Embody because the Ergohuman Gen2 lumbar support was killing my lower back after trying it without reclyining for 2 days...too aggressive for my back...feel free to ask anything if you want to
@Frozen92C Many thanks for your reply! As I don't have the chance to try any of them, this is exactly what worries me, and I have also heard other people saying that, the lumbar support is a bit too aggressive even at the lowest setting on the Ergohuman... What is the feeling on the shoulders on the Embody? Does it push you forward too much? I'm 172 cm (68 inches) and 80 kg. How firm it is the seat? Is it softer compared to the Ergohuman? And I also heard something about the backrest of the Embody that could be uncomfortable (like some pegs). Do you feel like that too? Of course, every person's perception is different, but your opinion matters. Thank you very much!
@@zeus3freedom im 169cm and 65kg. Regarding the shoulders its a bit tricky...so, if you set the Backfit knob AND the tilt tension knob at max settings, i do feel the top of the backrest pressing over my shoulders but not that much, still, imo, not a great settings because it is the opposite for which this chair is designed for. Flexibility and movement.
It doesn't push me forward too much, i've always the feeling of the backrest supporting me and not the opposite, me pushing into the backrest.
I would say the seat is good mix between firm and comfy/cushion like material. Is like sitting on a slim latex mattress with springs underneath. It is softer than the Ergohuman.
Yeah the back its kinda weird in the beginning and i get why...that feeling comes from the lower part of the backrest, around the lumbar area, right behind the spine...its normal the first few days (like 3/4 for me) but i don't feel it anymore. I cant say why i got used to it tho...wheter its my back adjusting the posture or the chair breaking in or something...idk.
The ergohuman mesh its itchy on the skin wheter the embody feels really nice.
The embody gets quite hot and really fast too. Especially the sit. Not really a problem if you have AC on but keep that in mind too. Its ok for me in my room at 27C and 35% humidity. But above that i get a bit uncomfortable.
what's the difference between pro and other versions
As producent says
Basic has plastic frame of headrest, plastic lever mechanism, lacks strength adjustments of lumbar support.
Elite has it all, parts are made of plastic
Pro version has parts made of metal, both lever and headrest holder, and you can "save" your position of tilt I guess not sure how to translate it
why dont you test Interstuhl chairs?
We are based in the USA. That is a brand that is mostly found in Europe. The times we've tested the chairs at shows, none of us have been overly optimistic they would rank high. Most are very unique and interesting. But this means they are likely to be very polarizing -Greg
That forward tilt helps the disabled and elderly get out of the chair. Seems good for musicians too.
I have ADHD (PI) and forward tilt is game changer for maintaining long hours of focus , especially when I'm coding.
I'm not sure they were thinking of the elderly population when building high performance office chairs that are designed to maximize productivity and comfort in the office ;) -Greg
@@btodtv I have an Aeron Remastered stool that came with a "tilt limiter" knob but what I really wanted was the "tilt limiter and seat angle" that allow me to engage the forward tilt feature. How can I upgrade this?
@@Aryankingz I don't think the Aeron's seat can tilt independently of the recline mechanism.
Forward tilt can also be useful with a very high seat position when using a sit-stand desk.
i tried it and to me its not comfy at all and the rocking is very limited and unnatural.
Have you guys tried this chair long term? I read comments on reddit it gets uncomfortable to sit on for long hours.
you need to be very care full if they speak about g2 or not bc they name and looks are very similar but they are 2 diffrent chairs
GEN1 or the first iteration of the chair had issues in the seat, which is what I reference in this video and the one I did a couple weeks ago. The GEN2 solved a lot of those issues, by redesigning the seat. I couldn't use the all mesh GEN1, but I have no issues in GEN2. -Greg
@@btodtv Thank you! How long have you tested it?
I spend most of my day sitting in front of my computer. I'm looking
for an ergonomic office chair that can help me maintain good posture and prevent back pain.
I'm hoping you can recommend a few chairs that fit my needs.! have a budget of 300 euros, 500
euros, and 700 euros. Could you please suggest 2-3 chairs in each price range?
Thank you so much
Definitely look into Hinomi x1, the top of the line ergonomic chair from this Singaporean company
Shame its not in white.