Ian immediately dropping it and not noticing it was better. It must of been a spectacular moment when he fired the round in the chamber, went to fire the next shot, got a click, looked down and had that sudden, horrifying realization of what happened.
DudeNumberOnePlus I think how you feel about bullpups reflects what you value in a firearm. If a shorter length and ease of use is more important then you probably love them. If trigger pull and ergonomics are more important to you then you probably hate them. Personally, I think the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages and I love bullpups, but I recognize that other people value different traits more and may not like them. I also think there is an element of fanboism to it for some people where they think the AR or AK is the only right answer and so everything else is measured in terms of how close it is to their preferred platform.
With some rifles, like the X95, you have to download to 29 rounds to load in a closed bolt depending on the mag. I wonder if Ian tested that with his new rifle yet.
This happened in my first 3 gun match i ever competed in. First mag ran fine, then I did the 'tactical reload' and when i fired my next shot when entering the next shooting area, the mag fell out as I did not download by 2. While I was embarrassed, it was a good lesson learned ;-)
And that's why we love Ian. Drop a magazine on the start line, looking like an idiot and completely ruining what would have been a solid 40 second run, only to come away laughing about it. Such a great personality.
An interesting point to consider: Stone et al did a test of bullpup vs. traditional rifles, having experienced rifle users complete various shooting trials. What was interesting was that the shooters showed a preference for traditional rifles, but the numbers showed they actually performed better with bullpups, in terms of accuracy and ergonomics. Basically, like Karl, they didn't LIKE bullpups. But they actually did better with bullpups than traditional rifles. To quote the authors: 'The bullpup weapon designs were found to provide a significant advantage in accuracy and shooter stability, while subjects showed considerable preference toward the conventional weapons.' I suspect the anti-bullpup sentiment, particularly among American shooters, may be the result of what people are used to (most American shooters grow up shooting conventional rifles, after all). When you're used to shooting guns that feel a certain way, anything that feels different will feel wrong. Here's the actual study. journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0018720813509107
Ian & Karl, you're the best. Everybody regularly doing 2-gun/3-gun has had bloopers like this or worse, but almost none of them would have shared it as a community learning experience. This is the difference between a channel that accurately represents reality, and one that just wants to show some cool stuff and get views.
Well, maybe they are both doing each some parts of the editing/graphic style, this comes logically from both of them, which would be useless to denote, since it's mostly atwo-man job this channel
Having served in the military where quick mag changes could be the difference between life and death, and ensuring proper mag seating the first time is imperative, firm and consistent and non-jerky pressure to guide the magazine all the way in is the best and most reliable way to seat 5.56 mags. both the Tavor and the AR15 platform have spring loaded magazine retention catches which sit in the cut-out on the magazine. When the magazine is inserted, the catch will get pushed out and will not lie flush with the receiver; when it goes all the way home, the catch falls down into the slot in the magazine and holds it in place. That is the best way to know that your magazine is seated fully as sometimes if there is debris or something in the mag-well, it could stick and seem like the mag is fully seated when it isn't. A full magazine is also under a lot of spring tension from the bullets pushing down the follower spring and thus inserting it into a rifle where the bolt is closed, you have to put even more tension on the spring: quick smacks will often not be enough to seat the magazine fully as it can't overcome the resisting pressure. I've seen this happen to too many guys on the range. It is always better to push the magazine all the way in with your hand and feel and hear the click as the mag catch drops into place and you can do a quick visual inspection to see that the catch is flush with the receiver.
Ian got a raw 50s run with a 10 second mag change once he hit the ground. There is a 10 second gap between when Ian and Karl started firing and they were in their firing positions at relatively the same time. I think it's fair to say that without the mag drop Ian would have scored close to 40s.
Ian dropping the mag brought Jack Black in Mars Attacks to mind, except Ian didn't grab the colors and surrender/die. Ian went for another mag and brought the scunnion.
I haven't watched the WWSD series yet, but they are on the list. Looking forward to finding out more about that rifle. Looks like a keeper. My condolences on the mag drop. It happens.
Appreciate the new editing strategy with the split after the final discussion, would have liked to hear more stage feedback from Karl since the feedback is usually the best part of these videos. I also like that Karl had the "worse" rifle, traditionally it seems like Karl has the best rifle (74 vs FAL for Ian) and with Karl's better skill we don't really learn much. But if a worse shooter can outscore a better one because he has a better setup, you've really proven something (or produced interesting anecdotal evidence, at least).
I was waiting for the moment in which Karl put down the tavor, picked up a previously buried 45-60 winchester, shot an impressive score and said "I Told You"
Of the four stages, this one was least suited to the Tavor (It is awkward to mono-pod on the mag compared to an AR). It will be interesting to hear your comments going forward. Also, this stage was the best placement I have gotten at the match at 13th, but I still got beat by the guy with the space gun.
Coming from experience with the L85, I get why a lot of US shooters don't like Bullpups. The weight is different, the triggers are often pretty bad etc. I suppose it's just never much of an issue from my POV because most bullpups are issued rifles somewhere, and the sticking point of that is, like with the L85, an army trains to overcome the minor details that would throw off someone with a lot of traditional AR experience.
Somewhat of a good thing about any firearm that uses the rock in/rock out method for their magazines, at least that's what I can surmise from this type of issue.
With the ambidextrous mag-release, Ian will be from now on able to drop mags from any side he happends to be using the rifle. And I just can't help not to say that .. not even a single mag fell out of the evil bullpup rifle in this video :P
Good video guys. Tough break on that mag drop though. Im not a big fan of the bull pup either. A nice AR with a short barrel is just as good. Even better imo.
Michael Bagley with a 10 second penalty if you know you need to change mags like if You are running between positions seems like it would be better to fire any extra rounds into berm in a couple of seconds rather than getting 10 seconds added
You should run the side-by-side comparison starting at your first shot. That would really show which one was faster on the stage and demonstrate just how much the magazine issue cost Ian.
As I understand what you describe was only a "5-Farb FT" with the suffix "Tropen". The "3-Farb FT (Flecktarn)" is the official Tropentarn. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropentarn
Karl, would there be anyway you could run a similar course twice, one day with your favorite rifle and the second day with a bullpup and compare your times.
+Rob Miller see the "What Would Stoner Do 2017" video series on the channel (no playlist yet but they are marked "WWSD" or "What Would Stoner Do" in the titles), there is an introductory video and then they are going through why each component was chosen one at a time. Should be noted that the concept is for proper use more than precision match shooting so take that into account.
I think without reloading and penalty Ian would have been faster, that reload costed him more than 5 seconds. That relaod was about 8-9 seconds from the time he tried to fire until he had a new mag in
I think they do. It's more efficient to have all stages going at the same time from the start. If everyone has to start on stage 1, then 2, ect.. no one would be using the later stages at the start or the early stages at the end.
I was considering picking up a RDB Survival rifle as part of a SHTF bug out bag idea. I thought given it's size and weight, it would be good for that. Otherwise, yeah I see that they have a limited field of use.
sailingmaster Well IDF mostly uses it due to ability to size it down almost to silly levels - good for urban. BAF uses one to get a longer barrel for same size. But if neither is priority, AR15 is probably as good as it geys, yeah.
The P90 is an odd duck. I originally thought it was going to be the beginning of a whole new style of firearm. It's a great gun. Firing a sort of "intermediate" cartridge between Rifle and Pistol calibers.
I recently watched a you tube video of a Russian "sniper" rifle which was moderated (silenced), strangely it was a bullpup. Being English you will understand that I fully sympathise with your dislike of them, SA80 yuk!, but do you think that the concept is beyond redemption? Hubris is the word that sprang to mind after the start of Ian's stage 1, "Might be my best chance to beat you," he said. Hubris, definitely hubris. ;-) Great work as usual you two, really enjoyable.
Guys just an idea... can you stick all the WWSD related videos into a WWSD playlist for easy finding and catchup watching for people who want to watch old eps?
Karl can be pretty negative about bullpups. That's fair, and he would certainly know more than I would, but I'd be interested to see his thoughts (or, better yet, a 2G-ACM) on the P(S)90. Reloading the thing can be...finicky (read: bullpup-like), but beyond that it seems like a pretty solid weapon
It would be interesting as I believe the match rules would allow using it on pistol targets also, though Karl has stated that he has seen the 5.7 round fail to knock over pistol plates even with solid hits so I don't think it'd be optimal. Not debating the effectiveness of the round necessarily, but it's certainly a weakness in this context.
If you guys are close by to me here in Tucson, I would love to join one or both of you out at the range sometime. I just got an S&W M&P15 with a 1in9 twist barrel rifle that has a Crimson Trace Red/Green dot Sight on it., and a Canik 9mm TP DA/SA pistol. I love your Videos! I wish that I could afford to support you on Patreon. All my money goes to Bills and now weapons... :/
Not a relevant question but does anyone in the comment section know what's a good way to build or set up a unpredictable moving target...not something purely on rails, something odd perhaps, programmable ?
you may have addressed this and I missed it, but if we have RUclips red, do you still not receive any money from our views? I don't imagine you do, just asking.
InRangeTV figured as much, thanks. I need to remember to watch on Full30 until I can get back to Maine, settle down and use Patreon. Love your content guys, really great stuff.
I watch and like the videos here and on Full30. That way I help keep the total views and likes up here on leftytube and also hopefully helps the cause (and coffers) by increasing views and likes at Full30.
Ah man that sucks... Ian's time though the actual shots looked faster too. That dropped mag looked like it might of cost him as much as 10 seconds in his raw time and then the 10 second penalty. Here's hoping he makes up the 15 seconds.
Insert mag and tug to be sure it seated. Sucks to be that guy (I know). I'll also say that you don't need to slam the magazine to seat on a closed bolt (at least not an AR). Insert until you feel resistance, then push up with the magazine while pulling down with the wrist on the hand that's on the grip. Sort of a push/pull operation. It works for me every time and requires surprisingly little effort. I didn't know until an instructor showed me.
I've always thought bullpups made more sense in a battle rifle/dmr category in an urban environment where, instead of carrying 2 rifles, the bullpup would make clearing rooms much easier. Just my 2 cents.
at 7:08 is Karl talking about guys who've played lots of First Person Shooters coming out and acting like they're in a video game? I've never even held a gun in my life much less considered competing in something like this and I know that's idiotic... Also even in a video game you'd only reload if you're going to stop shooting for several seconds In what was happening in the match here even with video game logic you'd only reload twice, unless you're an idiot. The video game logic is that all the bullets in the magazine you pull out magically go into a pool that fresh magazines pull from, obviously real life does not work this way, video game characters also usually just toss magazines away and do all kinds of things you wouldn't do in real life, I don't understand how that could be anything less than obvious. Seriously I'd want to know what those guys are thinking.
Ian immediately dropping his mag is amazing
Ian immediately dropping it and not noticing it was better. It must of been a spectacular moment when he fired the round in the chamber, went to fire the next shot, got a click, looked down and had that sudden, horrifying realization of what happened.
Ï dont think its the !gripe! against Tavors, its just that bullpups have more disadvantages than advantages.
DudeNumberOnePlus I think how you feel about bullpups reflects what you value in a firearm. If a shorter length and ease of use is more important then you probably love them. If trigger pull and ergonomics are more important to you then you probably hate them. Personally, I think the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages and I love bullpups, but I recognize that other people value different traits more and may not like them.
I also think there is an element of fanboism to it for some people where they think the AR or AK is the only right answer and so everything else is measured in terms of how close it is to their preferred platform.
"ease of use" vs. "ergonomics" o__O
Ian brings new meaning to "Mag Dump" :P
"Ian this is your best chance to beat me!"
>Immediately drops mag
Well shit
With some rifles, like the X95, you have to download to 29 rounds to load in a closed bolt depending on the mag. I wonder if Ian tested that with his new rifle yet.
This happened in my first 3 gun match i ever competed in. First mag ran fine, then I did the 'tactical reload' and when i fired my next shot when entering the next shooting area, the mag fell out as I did not download by 2. While I was embarrassed, it was a good lesson learned ;-)
For some reason I got startled when Ian dropped that mag
Doesn't Ian always loose mag in those runs no matter weapon? ;P
LOL
Karl- "This is your best chance to beat me"
Ian- "Hold my beer"
*Hold my mag.
And that's why we love Ian. Drop a magazine on the start line, looking like an idiot and completely ruining what would have been a solid 40 second run, only to come away laughing about it. Such a great personality.
An interesting point to consider: Stone et al did a test of bullpup vs. traditional rifles, having experienced rifle users complete various shooting trials. What was interesting was that the shooters showed a preference for traditional rifles, but the numbers showed they actually performed better with bullpups, in terms of accuracy and ergonomics.
Basically, like Karl, they didn't LIKE bullpups. But they actually did better with bullpups than traditional rifles. To quote the authors: 'The bullpup weapon designs were found to provide a significant advantage in accuracy and shooter stability, while subjects showed considerable preference toward the conventional weapons.'
I suspect the anti-bullpup sentiment, particularly among American shooters, may be the result of what people are used to (most American shooters grow up shooting conventional rifles, after all). When you're used to shooting guns that feel a certain way, anything that feels different will feel wrong.
Here's the actual study. journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0018720813509107
reminder that you can get past the paywall with scihub
Yep...Goes back to the notion that generally, people just don't like change.
Ian & Karl, you're the best. Everybody regularly doing 2-gun/3-gun has had bloopers like this or worse, but almost none of them would have shared it as a community learning experience. This is the difference between a channel that accurately represents reality, and one that just wants to show some cool stuff and get views.
Thank you! We hope to be honest and different, it's a primary goal of InRangeTV! ~Karl
Wrong kind of mag dump.
Liking the side by side runs being placed at the end of the video rather than where they used to be in the middle.
Ian: I have a chance to win the whole match!
Murphy's law: Are you sure about that?
Ian drops mag on first stage.
Poor Ian...
Love the new graphic and editing style!
Thank you!
Well, maybe they are both doing each some parts of the editing/graphic style, this comes logically from both of them, which would be useless to denote, since it's mostly atwo-man job this channel
Having served in the military where quick mag changes could be the difference between life and death, and ensuring proper mag seating the first time is imperative, firm and consistent and non-jerky pressure to guide the magazine all the way in is the best and most reliable way to seat 5.56 mags. both the Tavor and the AR15 platform have spring loaded magazine retention catches which sit in the cut-out on the magazine. When the magazine is inserted, the catch will get pushed out and will not lie flush with the receiver; when it goes all the way home, the catch falls down into the slot in the magazine and holds it in place. That is the best way to know that your magazine is seated fully as sometimes if there is debris or something in the mag-well, it could stick and seem like the mag is fully seated when it isn't. A full magazine is also under a lot of spring tension from the bullets pushing down the follower spring and thus inserting it into a rifle where the bolt is closed, you have to put even more tension on the spring: quick smacks will often not be enough to seat the magazine fully as it can't overcome the resisting pressure. I've seen this happen to too many guys on the range. It is always better to push the magazine all the way in with your hand and feel and hear the click as the mag catch drops into place and you can do a quick visual inspection to see that the catch is flush with the receiver.
I like the new graphics. Nice editing Karl.
"This _could be_ your best chance to win today."
3:14
C'est la vie, Ian!
Ian got a raw 50s run with a 10 second mag change once he hit the ground. There is a 10 second gap between when Ian and Karl started firing and they were in their firing positions at relatively the same time. I think it's fair to say that without the mag drop Ian would have scored close to 40s.
5:22 the timing of that shot lined up exactly with you going "tug on it" and your hand movement
Tavor goes up against an AR platform, the AR flip-flops a mag. Irony, thy name is InRange.
Did some SA-80 genes make it into that AR?
JonMacFhearghuis I meant the AR, because mag drops were one of the many things that the SA-80 tended to do.
I got it/think it's funny. xD
Ian dropping the mag brought Jack Black in Mars Attacks to mind, except Ian didn't grab the colors and surrender/die. Ian went for another mag and brought the scunnion.
I haven't watched the WWSD series yet, but they are on the list. Looking forward to finding out more about that rifle. Looks like a keeper. My condolences on the mag drop. It happens.
Appreciate the new editing strategy with the split after the final discussion, would have liked to hear more stage feedback from Karl since the feedback is usually the best part of these videos. I also like that Karl had the "worse" rifle, traditionally it seems like Karl has the best rifle (74 vs FAL for Ian) and with Karl's better skill we don't really learn much. But if a worse shooter can outscore a better one because he has a better setup, you've really proven something (or produced interesting anecdotal evidence, at least).
Wonderfull camo Karl! Have the uniform here too, such marvelous colors.
Holy Production Values Batman. Did Ian just drop his mag?
Mattebubben on the original tavor the X-95 has a standard push button. but yeah it's kinda funny
nice new edits Karl. really high quality style
Thanks!
I like the new editing. Well done.
I was waiting for the moment in which Karl put down the tavor, picked up a previously buried 45-60 winchester, shot an impressive score and said "I Told You"
Nice tactical magazine dump. How the big boys do it!
Of the four stages, this one was least suited to the Tavor (It is awkward to mono-pod on the mag compared to an AR). It will be interesting to hear your comments going forward. Also, this stage was the best placement I have gotten at the match at 13th, but I still got beat by the guy with the space gun.
The mag falling immediately was hilarious 😂
Coming from experience with the L85, I get why a lot of US shooters don't like Bullpups. The weight is different, the triggers are often pretty bad etc. I suppose it's just never much of an issue from my POV because most bullpups are issued rifles somewhere, and the sticking point of that is, like with the L85, an army trains to overcome the minor details that would throw off someone with a lot of traditional AR experience.
I like the layout of the videos with the split screen at the end.
Also, is this a new camera? Quality seems better somehow.
Same one as always. ~Karl
Yes! Thanks for moving the split-screen to the end, guys.
when Ian's mag dropped it hurt my soul.
I get this sense Karl doesn't like bullpup rifles but I'm not sure he's clear enough about it :)
I think this is a perfect example of training be far more important than equipment.
Somewhat of a good thing about any firearm that uses the rock in/rock out method for their magazines, at least that's what I can surmise from this type of issue.
+hawk9mm Thats a lack of training & practice, honestly.
With the ambidextrous mag-release, Ian will be from now on able to drop mags from any side he happends to be using the rifle.
And I just can't help not to say that .. not even a single mag fell out of the evil bullpup rifle in this video :P
I absolutely love these two gun matches I'm here in Arizona I hope I can find some
I dunno what dropped faster, Ian's mag or my heart when I seen it.
Good video guys. Tough break on that mag drop though. Im not a big fan of the bull pup either. A nice AR with a short barrel is just as good. Even better imo.
Should put on "Comedy" tag as well, I nearly died laughing
Ian is the best :D
not gonna lie like the side by side at the end
Best start EVER!
3:34 Get behind me, traitorous magazine!
Is the penalty per dropped item or just any dropping gear at all.
Loaded mags are the only dropped gear penalty. ~Karl
Michael Bagley with a 10 second penalty if you know you need to change mags like if You are running between positions seems like it would be better to fire any extra rounds into berm in a couple of seconds rather than getting 10 seconds added
InRangeTV But is it per mag or one penalty over all?
X95 is my go to
You should run the side-by-side comparison starting at your first shot. That would really show which one was faster on the stage and demonstrate just how much the magazine issue cost Ian.
TAVOR IS MY GO TO GUN LOVE IT.
Would have been nice with another side-by-side compare of the shooting, but synced to the first shot.
Ian nice Tropentarn
Forestal Frank That's the desert variant. Tropical is the same as normal, but a lighter cloth with some vent holes.
As I understand what you describe was only a "5-Farb FT" with the suffix "Tropen". The "3-Farb FT (Flecktarn)" is the official Tropentarn.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropentarn
It would nice to hear your opinion of the SA/RRA scandal from Illinois.
I have no opinion as I have not spent the time to research it properly enough to have one. ~Karl
Minutes after I comment on Mars Attacks, the clip is inserted. Great minds think alike.
Hey Ian what optic is that on your AR ? Is it a Primary Arms ?
Haha, love the inset! Even when your loosing Ian, your winning in my book. lol
If Karl can do that well with a Tavor then he's going to absolutely smoke everyone when he gets his wwsd ar15 out
Some mud tests in future?
3:15 Ian you must shoot before change mags:)
Think you guys could ever get your hands on a EF-88 Austeyr?
What camo patern was Ian wearing? Looks neat!
Karl, would there be anyway you could run a similar course twice, one day with your favorite rifle and the second day with a bullpup and compare your times.
Surprising I'm having a lot of rebuttal with Uncle Karl this month! But hey I'm from the internet and I'm not here to help! :)
Ian, are those German Army trousers in "Tropentarn"?
Like the new design elements, very Web 2.0ish and clean. Also is it just me or is the camera better ? The blue sky is captured really well.
Same camera. ~Karl
Now I want to see Karl shoot the stage with the WWSD AR.
Did Ian leave the mag behind even after it was picked up ?
You say in the video that the AR is one of the most advanced ARs built. Can you describe what features or components makes it advanced?
+Rob Miller see the "What Would Stoner Do 2017" video series on the channel (no playlist yet but they are marked "WWSD" or "What Would Stoner Do" in the titles), there is an introductory video and then they are going through why each component was chosen one at a time. Should be noted that the concept is for proper use more than precision match shooting so take that into account.
you guys should do a mud test on the fn fs2000
I think without reloading and penalty Ian would have been faster, that reload costed him more than 5 seconds. That relaod was about 8-9 seconds from the time he tried to fire until he had a new mag in
Did you get a new camera since the last 2ACM videos? It looks great. Nice and sharp.
why is it you do not put up the stages in the order you shoot them?
This is the order we shot them in. ~Karl
I think they do. It's more efficient to have all stages going at the same time from the start. If everyone has to start on stage 1, then 2, ect.. no one would be using the later stages at the start or the early stages at the end.
That desert Flecktarn though
I dead set though I'd missed something and dropping the mag at the start was part of the stage. My sides are gone
Karl, I thought you were pretty positive on the KelTec RDB. Has that changed?
Yeah, it's on the more acceptable end of bullpups. I just don't see a great reason for bullpup configurations. ~Karl
I was considering picking up a RDB Survival rifle as part of a SHTF bug out bag idea. I thought given it's size and weight, it would be good for that. Otherwise, yeah I see that they have a limited field of use.
sailingmaster Well IDF mostly uses it due to ability to size it down almost to silly levels - good for urban. BAF uses one to get a longer barrel for same size. But if neither is priority, AR15 is probably as good as it geys, yeah.
The P90 is a SMG and it's a totally different beast. Fantastic gun. ~Karl
The P90 is an odd duck. I originally thought it was going to be the beginning of a whole new style of firearm. It's a great gun. Firing a sort of "intermediate" cartridge between Rifle and Pistol calibers.
I recently watched a you tube video of a Russian "sniper" rifle which was moderated (silenced), strangely it was a bullpup. Being English you will understand that I fully sympathise with your dislike of them, SA80 yuk!, but do you think that the concept is beyond redemption?
Hubris is the word that sprang to mind after the start of Ian's stage 1, "Might be my best chance to beat you," he said. Hubris, definitely hubris. ;-) Great work as usual you two, really enjoyable.
Guys just an idea... can you stick all the WWSD related videos into a WWSD playlist for easy finding and catchup watching for people who want to watch old eps?
What gun is Ian using? The M27-style AR?
What camo pattern is Ian wearing?
Ah bullpups. That make sense on paper. That's about it
So, what optic is Ian running on his WWSD AR?
+Zach White This one is Primary Arms 2.5 acss, but we're changing that at this point. ~K
Cool, thanks. I look forward to seeing what it gets replaced by. Keep up the good content, guys.
Hey dudes, what's the camo pattern Ian is wearing?
Desert DPM and Tropentarn.
ian's pants are a german camo right?
Karl can be pretty negative about bullpups. That's fair, and he would certainly know more than I would, but I'd be interested to see his thoughts (or, better yet, a 2G-ACM) on the P(S)90. Reloading the thing can be...finicky (read: bullpup-like), but beyond that it seems like a pretty solid weapon
It would be interesting as I believe the match rules would allow using it on pistol targets also, though Karl has stated that he has seen the 5.7 round fail to knock over pistol plates even with solid hits so I don't think it'd be optimal. Not debating the effectiveness of the round necessarily, but it's certainly a weakness in this context.
Where is this range in Arizona?
If you guys are close by to me here in Tucson, I would love to join one or both of you out at the range sometime.
I just got an S&W M&P15 with a 1in9 twist barrel rifle that has a Crimson Trace Red/Green dot Sight on it., and a Canik 9mm TP DA/SA pistol.
I love your Videos! I wish that I could afford to support you on Patreon. All my money goes to Bills and now weapons... :/
Not a relevant question but does anyone in the comment section know what's a good way to build or set up a unpredictable moving target...not something purely on rails, something odd perhaps, programmable ?
I wish full30 had a better way to split up your videos so there could be interviews, matches, and museum/auction lists
I think that is why full30 is in the tank
you may have addressed this and I missed it, but if we have RUclips red, do you still not receive any money from our views? I don't imagine you do, just asking.
We receive no money from RUclips whatsoever. ~Karl
InRangeTV
figured as much, thanks. I need to remember to watch on Full30 until I can get back to Maine, settle down and use Patreon. Love your content guys, really great stuff.
I watch and like the videos here and on Full30. That way I help keep the total views and likes up here on leftytube and also hopefully helps the cause (and coffers) by increasing views and likes at Full30.
I cant tell if the mag drop was a mistake or a well planned joke to give the tavor a little help.
It was a legitimate mistake. ~Karl
InRangeTV I see, I just wasn't sure since you two are quite funny at times. give Mr. McCollum my regards, good luck shooting.
you should put the "die you alien shithead!" sound over Ian's run to the first position. or a Murphy's law quote.
Huh? I thought only Tavors drop mags. ;)
German 3farb Fleck pants and boonie, a shirt that might just match, and that jacket? Oh come on!
Also love the speed deload ;)
Question Karl and/or Ian have you ever been DQ'ed from a match?
+Zed Hiro Yep, I was DQ'ed at a Highpower service rifle match once. ~Karl
When the match started and I saw that mag dropping I was like: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah same here! I saw that mag drop and my immediate thought was. "Well there goes Ian's chance at winning this match!"
Ahh Ian you forgot something at the start line....
Ah man that sucks... Ian's time though the actual shots looked faster too. That dropped mag looked like it might of cost him as much as 10 seconds in his raw time and then the 10 second penalty. Here's hoping he makes up the 15 seconds.
Hey Ian, you like the Germen Camo Stuff, arrent you ??? :) Greetings from Germany!
Insert mag and tug to be sure it seated. Sucks to be that guy (I know). I'll also say that you don't need to slam the magazine to seat on a closed bolt (at least not an AR). Insert until you feel resistance, then push up with the magazine while pulling down with the wrist on the hand that's on the grip. Sort of a push/pull operation. It works for me every time and requires surprisingly little effort. I didn't know until an instructor showed me.
I've always thought bullpups made more sense in a battle rifle/dmr category in an urban environment where, instead of carrying 2 rifles, the bullpup would make clearing rooms much easier. Just my 2 cents.
As a gamer, I resemble that remark.
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at 7:08 is Karl talking about guys who've played lots of First Person Shooters coming out and acting like they're in a video game? I've never even held a gun in my life much less considered competing in something like this and I know that's idiotic...
Also even in a video game you'd only reload if you're going to stop shooting for several seconds In what was happening in the match here even with video game logic you'd only reload twice, unless you're an idiot.
The video game logic is that all the bullets in the magazine you pull out magically go into a pool that fresh magazines pull from, obviously real life does not work this way, video game characters also usually just toss magazines away and do all kinds of things you wouldn't do in real life, I don't understand how that could be anything less than obvious.
Seriously I'd want to know what those guys are thinking.
I actually skipped over the stage explanation and then was wondering why they would start with a mag drop
The AR15 is even lighter without the magazine!